Tradition v/s non tradition

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Boss,

 

You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest are all using

English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a National Language

if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly translate what you

have written in your regional language, either in English or Hindi which

is better understood ?

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar garu,

> almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me also respond

in

> my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise vuntundi,gummadikayala donga

> avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...

> gopi.

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not about the

> > language but about the concerned person....// Being good astrologers

> > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons, but for

> their

> > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit Astrology " in my

> > history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If You are

> > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a Lover and

> > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many here. best

> > wishes, Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much long post

since

> i

> > >

> > > already know what all you have written and entirely agree.It is

only

> a

> > >

> > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my life specially

> > >

> > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I share lagna/moon

> > with

> > >

> > > few of you people in this group and i love it.

> > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi and a fanatic of

> > >

> > > English!!!I have never studied in english medium.Those who profess

> > >

> > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to their children in

> > hindi

> > >

> > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC also crashed and

i

> > was

> > >

> > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious research student

of

> > >

> > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about any other

thing

> > >

> > > including language issue.

> > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all languages are

> same

> > >

> > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body and soul)But

not

> in

> > >

> > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may simply ignore

> > >

> > > because no two minds are same.

> > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group and words like

> shit

> > >

> > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one hand we talk

> > about

> > >

> > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like this.It also hurts

> to

> > >

> > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded as

fanatic!!.The

> > >

> > > rules of the game should be same for all and i believe in that.

> > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali language' which you

> > >

> > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //

> > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the language but

> about

> > >

> > > the concerned person....

> > > Love and regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > , " sreesog "

sreesog@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be compared with any

> other

> > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the history and

> vastness

> > > of

> > > > literature of various languages will differ), there is nothing

> wrong

> > > in

> > > > it.

> > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali (an indo-aryan

> > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and utteranchel

as

> > > well),

> > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back to the celtic

> > vedic

> > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with roots both in

> > > southern

> > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central russia). Once

upon

> a

> > > time

> > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being used to write

> > many

> > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu, Tamil etc. Even

> > > though

> > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its grammatical

> > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary) many so called

> > > dravidian

> > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should be better

called

> > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?) languages itself.

> > There

> > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia, brahmi, prakrit

> etc

> > > are

> > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the fire worshiper

> > (vedic

> > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship (tantric cult)

> > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as the

> communication

> > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects of Prakrit is

> not

> > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of Europe as well.

> > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that - Any language

can

> > > be

> > > > compare with any other language (whether they are of inside or

> > outside

> > > > of india), because all of them serve the same purpose - i.e.

> serving

> > > as

> > > > a communication medium between human beings. Religion is is not

> > bound

> > > by

> > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and so is the

> > affection

> > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the world.

> > > > Note:

> > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something about 'Nepali

> > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. The

> > word

> > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound familiar? Pali is a

> > Prakrit

> > > > variant language spoken in host of people throughout india

> > especially

> > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well familiar local

tongue.

> > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this language. Pali

> is

> > a

> > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of their ancient

> > > literature

> > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to which 'Ne-Pali'

is

> > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali; the 'New

Pali').

> > If

> > > we

> > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit from which

Sanskrit

> > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we dis-respect 'Pali',

a

> > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we respect Pali, how

> can

> > > we

> > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of the modern

> Buddists

> > > and

> > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that most of the

> > languages

> > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as

> > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri (7.53%), Tharu

> (5.86%),

> > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar (3.39%),

Awadhi

> > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika (1.05%). - are

> > mostly

> > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you will remember

(or

> > > > something will resonate in you) when you here names such as

> > Maithili,

> > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is comparing

> > telugu

> > > > an

> > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too much!!!.....

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of Land.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you compare

> it

> > > > ewith

> > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date because I

> do

> > > not

> > > > > > understand the language.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the other was " Shiva "

both

> in

> > > > > Telugu.

> > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi

movies

> > but

> > > > not

> > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if You

> are

> > > not

> > > > > able

> > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal

functionabilities

> > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as well

as

> > our

> > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking

Pundits

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > English speaking. Right ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a very difficult

> > > thing,

> > > > is

> > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to

> express

> > > his

> > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and

nothing

> > > wrong

> > > > > in

> > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French, marathi,

> > > Malyalee,

> > > > > or

> > > > > > Telugu over here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopi ji,

 

You assume too many things.

 

I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a child..

 

Talapu - Close the door.

 

1-10 Digits - How to say them.

 

Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.

 

sigguledu - No sharam

 

ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber

 

Chaala baguundi - Very good.

 

Alaage - Okay.

 

Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.

 

I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please translate

what you have written to me.

 

warm regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant for you and

i

> know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers) alone.....

> gopi.

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Boss,

> >

> > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest are all

> using

> > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a National

> Language

> > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly translate what

> you

> > have written in your regional language, either in English or Hindi

> which

> > is better understood ?

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar garu,

> > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me also

respond

> > in

> > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise vuntundi,gummadikayala

donga

> > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...

> > > gopi.

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not about

> the

> > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being good

> astrologers

> > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons, but

for

> > > their

> > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit Astrology " in my

> > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If You

are

> > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a Lover and

> > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many here.

> best

> > > > wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much long post

> > since

> > > i

> > > > >

> > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely agree.It

is

> > only

> > > a

> > > > >

> > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my life

> specially

> > > > >

> > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I share

> lagna/moon

> > > > with

> > > > >

> > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.

> > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi and a

fanatic

> of

> > > > >

> > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english medium.Those who

> profess

> > > > >

> > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to their children

> in

> > > > hindi

> > > > >

> > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC also crashed

> and

> > i

> > > > was

> > > > >

> > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious research

student

> > of

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about any other

> > thing

> > > > >

> > > > > including language issue.

> > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all languages

> are

> > > same

> > > > >

> > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body and

soul)But

> > not

> > > in

> > > > >

> > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may simply

> ignore

> > > > >

> > > > > because no two minds are same.

> > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group and words

> like

> > > shit

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one hand we

> talk

> > > > about

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like this.It also

> hurts

> > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded as

> > fanatic!!.The

> > > > >

> > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i believe in

that.

> > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali language' which

you

> > > > >

> > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //

> > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the language

but

> > > about

> > > > >

> > > > > the concerned person....

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " sreesog "

> > sreesog@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be compared with

any

> > > other

> > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the history and

> > > vastness

> > > > > of

> > > > > > literature of various languages will differ), there is

nothing

> > > wrong

> > > > > in

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali (an

> indo-aryan

> > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and

utteranchel

> > as

> > > > > well),

> > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back to the

> celtic

> > > > vedic

> > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with roots both

in

> > > > > southern

> > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central russia). Once

> > upon

> > > a

> > > > > time

> > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being used to

> write

> > > > many

> > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu, Tamil etc.

> Even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its grammatical

> > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary) many so

called

> > > > > dravidian

> > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should be better

> > called

> > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?) languages

> itself.

> > > > There

> > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia, brahmi,

> prakrit

> > > etc

> > > > > are

> > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the fire

> worshiper

> > > > (vedic

> > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship (tantric

> cult)

> > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as the

> > > communication

> > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects of Prakrit

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of Europe as

> well.

> > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that - Any

language

> > can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are of inside

or

> > > > outside

> > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same purpose - i.e.

> > > serving

> > > > > as

> > > > > > a communication medium between human beings. Religion is is

> not

> > > > bound

> > > > > by

> > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and so is the

> > > > affection

> > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the world.

> > > > > > Note:

> > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something about

> 'Nepali

> > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of contempt.

> The

> > > > word

> > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound familiar? Pali is

a

> > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people throughout india

> > > > especially

> > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well familiar local

> > tongue.

> > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this language.

> Pali

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of their ancient

> > > > > literature

> > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to which

'Ne-Pali'

> > is

> > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali; the 'New

> > Pali').

> > > > If

> > > > > we

> > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit from which

> > Sanskrit

> > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we dis-respect

> 'Pali',

> > a

> > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we respect Pali,

> how

> > > can

> > > > > we

> > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of the modern

> > > Buddists

> > > > > and

> > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that most of the

> > > > languages

> > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as

> > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri (7.53%), Tharu

> > > (5.86%),

> > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar (3.39%),

> > Awadhi

> > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika (1.05%). -

> are

> > > > mostly

> > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you will

remember

> > (or

> > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here names such as

> > > > Maithili,

> > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is

> comparing

> > > > telugu

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too

much!!!.....

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of

Land.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you

> compare

> > > it

> > > > > > ewith

> > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date

because

> I

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > understand the language.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the other was " Shiva "

> > both

> > > in

> > > > > > > Telugu.

> > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi

> > movies

> > > > but

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if

> You

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal

> > functionabilities

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as

> well

> > as

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking

> > Pundits

> > > > and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a very

> difficult

> > > > > thing,

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to

> > > express

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and

> > nothing

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French,

marathi,

> > > > > Malyalee,

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > Telugu over here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical problem of members atleast now!!!The translation goes like this..when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own shoulders is a telugu proverb....gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > You assume too many things.> > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a child..> > Talapu - Close the door.> > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > sigguledu - No sharam> > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > Alaage - Okay.> > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please translate> what you have written to me.> > warm regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant for you and> i> > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers) alone.....> > gopi.> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Boss,> > >> > > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest are all> > using> > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a National> > Language> > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly translate what> > you> > > have written in your regional language, either in English or Hindi> > which> > > is better understood ?> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me also> respond> > > in> > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise vuntundi,gummadikayala> donga> > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not about> > the> > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being good> > astrologers> > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons, but> for> > > > their> > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit Astrology" in my> > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If You> are> > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a Lover and> > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many here.> > best> > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much long post> > > since> > > > i> > > > > >> > > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely agree.It> is> > > only> > > > a> > > > > >> > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my life> > specially> > > > > >> > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I share> > lagna/moon> > > > > with> > > > > >> > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi and a> fanatic> > of> > > > > >> > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english medium.Those who> > profess> > > > > >> > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to their children> > in> > > > > hindi> > > > > >> > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC also crashed> > and> > > i> > > > > was> > > > > >> > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious research> student> > > of> > > > > >> > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about any other> > > thing> > > > > >> > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all languages> > are> > > > same> > > > > >> > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body and> soul)But> > > not> > > > in> > > > > >> > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may simply> > ignore> > > > > >> > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group and words> > like> > > > shit> > > > > >> > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one hand we> > talk> > > > > about> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like this.It also> > hurts> > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded as> > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > >> > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i believe in> that.> > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali language' which> you> > > > > >> > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the language> but> > > > about> > > > > >> > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > , "sreesog"> > > sreesog@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be compared with> any> > > > other> > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the history and> > > > vastness> > > > > > of> > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ), there is> nothing> > > > wrong> > > > > > in> > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali (an> > indo-aryan> > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and> utteranchel> > > as> > > > > > well),> > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back to the> > celtic> > > > > vedic> > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with roots both> in> > > > > > southern> > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central russia). Once> > > upon> > > > a> > > > > > time> > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being used to> > write> > > > > many> > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu, Tamil etc.> > Even> > > > > > though> > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its grammatical> > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary) many so> called> > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should be better> > > called> > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?) languages> > itself.> > > > > There> > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia, brahmi,> > prakrit> > > > etc> > > > > > are> > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the fire> > worshiper> > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship (tantric> > cult)> > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as the> > > > communication> > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects of Prakrit> > is> > > > not> > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of Europe as> > well.> > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that - Any> language> > > can> > > > > > be> > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are of inside> or> > > > > outside> > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same purpose - i.e.> > > > serving> > > > > > as> > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings. Religion is is> > not> > > > > bound> > > > > > by> > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and so is the> > > > > affection> > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the world.> > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something about> > 'Nepali> > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of contempt.> > The> > > > > word> > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound familiar? Pali is> a> > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people throughout india> > > > > especially> > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well familiar local> > > tongue.> > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this language.> > Pali> > > > is> > > > > a> > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of their ancient> > > > > > literature> > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to which> 'Ne-Pali'> > > is> > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali; the 'New> > > Pali').> > > > > If> > > > > > we> > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit from which> > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we dis-respect> > 'Pali',> > > a> > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we respect Pali,> > how> > > > can> > > > > > we> > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of the modern> > > > Buddists> > > > > > and> > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that most of the> > > > > languages> > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri (7.53%), Tharu> > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar (3.39%),> > > Awadhi> > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika (1.05%). -> > are> > > > > mostly> > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you will> remember> > > (or> > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here names such as> > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is> > comparing> > > > > telugu> > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> much!!!.....> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of> Land.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you> > compare> > > > it> > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date> because> > I> > > > do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other was "Shiva"> > > both> > > > in> > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi> > > movies> > > > > but> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if> > You> > > > are> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > functionabilities> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as> > well> > > as> > > > > our> > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking> > > Pundits> > > > > and> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a very> > difficult> > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to> > > > express> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and> > > nothing> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French,> marathi,> > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Gopi ji,

 

//whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical problem of members atleast now!!!//

 

Thats what I said before and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have assumed too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must know Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ???

 

About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is to give birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did my Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South for Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look after a industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but that does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought up there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to know Telugu ???

 

I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I expected to know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done in South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay, maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a Marathi. Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home.

 

So dear Gopiji, stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming becomes amusing at times...

 

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born man to> know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you assume> me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical problem of> members atleast now!!!> The translation goes like this..> when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own shoulders> is a telugu proverb....> gopi.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi ji,> >> > You assume too many things.> >> > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a child..> >> > Talapu - Close the door.> >> > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> >> > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> >> > sigguledu - No sharam> >> > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> >> > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> >> > Alaage - Okay.> >> > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> >> > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please translate> > what you have written to me.> >> > warm regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant for you> and> > i> > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers) alone.....> > > gopi.> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Boss,> > > >> > > > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest are all> > > using> > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a National> > > Language> > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly translate> what> > > you> > > > have written in your regional language, either in English or Hindi> > > which> > > > is better understood ?> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me also> > respond> > > > in> > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise vuntundi,gummadikayala> > donga> > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not> about> > > the> > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being good> > > astrologers> > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons, but> > for> > > > > their> > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit Astrology" in> my> > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If You> > are> > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a Lover> and> > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many here.> > > best> > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much long> post> > > > since> > > > > i> > > > > > >> > > > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely agree.It> > is> > > > only> > > > > a> > > > > > >> > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my life> > > specially> > > > > > >> > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I share> > > lagna/moon> > > > > > with> > > > > > >> > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi and a> > fanatic> > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english medium.Those who> > > profess> > > > > > >> > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to their> children> > > in> > > > > > hindi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC also> crashed> > > and> > > > i> > > > > > was> > > > > > >> > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious research> > student> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about any> other> > > > thing> > > > > > >> > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all> languages> > > are> > > > > same> > > > > > >> > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body and> > soul)But> > > > not> > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may simply> > > ignore> > > > > > >> > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group and words> > > like> > > > > shit> > > > > > >> > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one hand we> > > talk> > > > > > about> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like this.It also> > > hurts> > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded as> > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i believe in> > that.> > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali language' which> > you> > > > > > >> > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the language> > but> > > > > about> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > , "sreesog"> > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be compared with> > any> > > > > other> > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the history> and> > > > > vastness> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ), there is> > nothing> > > > > wrong> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali (an> > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and> > utteranchel> > > > as> > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back to the> > > celtic> > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with roots> both> > in> > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central russia).> Once> > > > upon> > > > > a> > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being used to> > > write> > > > > > many> > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu, Tamil> etc.> > > Even> > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its> grammatical> > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary) many so> > called> > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should be better> > > > called> > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?) languages> > > itself.> > > > > > There> > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia, brahmi,> > > prakrit> > > > > etc> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the fire> > > worshiper> > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship (tantric> > > cult)> > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as the> > > > > communication> > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects of> Prakrit> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of Europe as> > > well.> > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that - Any> > language> > > > can> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are of> inside> > or> > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same purpose -> i.e.> > > > > serving> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings. Religion is> is> > > not> > > > > > bound> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and so is> the> > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the world.> > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something about> > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of> contempt.> > > The> > > > > > word> > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound familiar? Pali> is> > a> > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people throughout india> > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well familiar local> > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this> language.> > > Pali> > > > > is> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of their> ancient> > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to which> > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > is> > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali; the 'New> > > > Pali').> > > > > > If> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit from which> > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we dis-respect> > > 'Pali',> > > > a> > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we respect> Pali,> > > how> > > > > can> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of the> modern> > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that most of> the> > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri (7.53%),> Tharu> > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar (3.39%),> > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika (1.05%).> -> > > are> > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you will> > remember> > > > (or> > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here names such> as> > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is> > > comparing> > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of> > Land.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you> > > compare> > > > > it> > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date> > because> > > I> > > > > do> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other was> "Shiva"> > > > both> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch> Hindi> > > > movies> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again> if> > > You> > > > > are> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as> > > well> > > > as> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking> > > > Pundits> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a very> > > difficult> > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes> to> > > > > express> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and> > > > nothing> > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French,> > marathi,> > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//after my Birth I was brought to my

Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to know Telugu ???//that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect a> telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu> how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand> practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said before> and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have assumed> too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must know> Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ??? > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is to give> birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did my> Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South for> Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look after a> industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but that> does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought up> there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my Birth I> was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to know> Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage> years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn> language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I expected to> know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done in> South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,> maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a Marathi.> Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear Gopiji,> stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming> becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born man to> > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you> assume> > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical problem> of> > members atleast now!!!> > The translation goes like this..> > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own> shoulders> > is a telugu proverb....> > gopi.> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > > You assume too many things.> > >> > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a child..> > >> > > Talapu - Close the door.> > >> > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > >> > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > >> > > sigguledu - No sharam> > >> > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > >> > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > >> > > Alaage - Okay.> > >> > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > >> > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please translate> > > what you have written to me.> > >> > > warm regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant for you> > and> > > i> > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers) alone.....> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Boss,> > > > >> > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest are> all> > > > using> > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a National> > > > Language> > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly translate> > what> > > > you> > > > > have written in your regional language, either in English or> Hindi> > > > which> > > > > is better understood ?> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me also> > > respond> > > > > in> > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > donga> > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not> > about> > > > the> > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being good> > > > astrologers> > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons,> but> > > for> > > > > > their> > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit Astrology"> in> > my> > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If> You> > > are> > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a Lover> > and> > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many> here.> > > > best> > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much long> > post> > > > > since> > > > > > i> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely> agree.It> > > is> > > > > only> > > > > > a> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my life> > > > specially> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I share> > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi and a> > > fanatic> > > > of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english medium.Those who> > > > profess> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to their> > children> > > > in> > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC also> > crashed> > > > and> > > > > i> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious research> > > student> > > > > of> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about any> > other> > > > > thing> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all> > languages> > > > are> > > > > > same> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body and> > > soul)But> > > > > not> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may> simply> > > > ignore> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group and> words> > > > like> > > > > > shit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one hand> we> > > > talk> > > > > > > about> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like this.It> also> > > > hurts> > > > > > to> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded as> > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i believe in> > > that.> > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali language'> which> > > you> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the> language> > > but> > > > > > about> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > , "sreesog"> > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be compared> with> > > any> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the history> > and> > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ), there is> > > nothing> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali (an> > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and> > > utteranchel> > > > > as> > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back to the> > > > celtic> > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with roots> > both> > > in> > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central russia).> > Once> > > > > upon> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being used> to> > > > write> > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu, Tamil> > etc.> > > > Even> > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its> > grammatical> > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary) many so> > > called> > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should be> better> > > > > called> > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?) languages> > > > itself.> > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia, brahmi,> > > > prakrit> > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the fire> > > > worshiper> > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship> (tantric> > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as the> > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects of> > Prakrit> > > > is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of Europe> as> > > > well.> > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that - Any> > > language> > > > > can> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are of> > inside> > > or> > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same purpose -> > i.e.> > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings. Religion is> > is> > > > not> > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and so is> > the> > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the world.> > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something about> > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of> > contempt.> > > > The> > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound familiar?> Pali> > is> > > a> > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people throughout> india> > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well familiar> local> > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this> > language.> > > > Pali> > > > > > is> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of their> > ancient> > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to which> > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali; the> 'New> > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit from> which> > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we dis-respect> > > > 'Pali',> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we respect> > Pali,> > > > how> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of the> > modern> > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that most of> > the> > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri (7.53%),> > Tharu> > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar> (3.39%),> > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika> (1.05%).> > -> > > > are> > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you will> > > remember> > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here names such> > as> > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is> > > > comparing> > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > ,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of> > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you> > > > compare> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date> > > because> > > > I> > > > > > do> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other was> > "Shiva"> > > > > both> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch> > Hindi> > > > > movies> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again> > if> > > > You> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis> as> > > > well> > > > > as> > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian> speaking> > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a very> > > > difficult> > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes> > to> > > > > > express> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have come,> and> > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French,> > > marathi,> > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Gopi ji,

//> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//

I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but You keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell you this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS BCOZ FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL PROPER DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...

The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me to be a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or Helen, or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography and making you read the same, to impress you..

// how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//

I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But even a small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other regional languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National language in action with a regional language like telugu.

Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments over here...

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.> //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am> I expected to know Telugu ???//> that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to know> hindi?...> gopi.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect a> > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know> telugu> > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand> > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said> before> > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have assumed> > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must know> > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ???> > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is to> give> > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did my> > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South for> > Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look after> a> > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but that> > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought up> > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my Birth I> > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to> know> > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage> > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn> > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I expected to> > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done in> > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,> > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a> Marathi.> > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear Gopiji,> > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming> > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born man> to> > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you> > assume> > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical problem> > of> > > members atleast now!!!> > > The translation goes like this..> > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own> > shoulders> > > is a telugu proverb....> > > gopi.> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > >> > > > You assume too many things.> > > >> > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a child..> > > >> > > > Talapu - Close the door.> > > >> > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > > >> > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > > >> > > > sigguledu - No sharam> > > >> > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > > >> > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > > >> > > > Alaage - Okay.> > > >> > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > > >> > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please> translate> > > > what you have written to me.> > > >> > > > warm regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant for> you> > > and> > > > i> > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers) alone.....> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Boss,> > > > > >> > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest are> > all> > > > > using> > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a> National> > > > > Language> > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly> translate> > > what> > > > > you> > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in English or> > Hindi> > > > > which> > > > > > is better understood ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me also> > > > respond> > > > > > in> > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise> vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > > donga> > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not> > > about> > > > > the> > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being good> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons,> > but> > > > for> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit Astrology"> > in> > > my> > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If> > You> > > > are> > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a> Lover> > > and> > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many> > here.> > > > > best> > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much long> > > post> > > > > > since> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely> > agree.It> > > > is> > > > > > only> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my life> > > > > specially> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I share> > > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi and a> > > > fanatic> > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english medium.Those> who> > > > > profess> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to their> > > children> > > > > in> > > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC also> > > crashed> > > > > and> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious research> > > > student> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about any> > > other> > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all> > > languages> > > > > are> > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body and> > > > soul)But> > > > > > not> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may> > simply> > > > > ignore> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group and> > words> > > > > like> > > > > > > shit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one> hand> > we> > > > > talk> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like this.It> > also> > > > > hurts> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded as> > > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i believe> in> > > > that.> > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali language'> > which> > > > you> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the> > language> > > > but> > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ,> "sreesog"> > > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be compared> > with> > > > any> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the> history> > > and> > > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ), there is> > > > nothing> > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali (an> > > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and> > > > utteranchel> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back to> the> > > > > celtic> > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with roots> > > both> > > > in> > > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central> russia).> > > Once> > > > > > upon> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being> used> > to> > > > > write> > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu, Tamil> > > etc.> > > > > Even> > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its> > > grammatical> > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary) many> so> > > > called> > > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should be> > better> > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)> languages> > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia,> brahmi,> > > > > prakrit> > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the fire> > > > > worshiper> > > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship> > (tantric> > > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as the> > > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects of> > > Prakrit> > > > > is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of> Europe> > as> > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that - Any> > > > language> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are of> > > inside> > > > or> > > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same purpose> -> > > i.e.> > > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings. Religion> is> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and so> is> > > the> > > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the world.> > > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something> about> > > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of> > > contempt.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound familiar?> > Pali> > > is> > > > a> > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people throughout> > india> > > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well familiar> > local> > > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this> > > language.> > > > > Pali> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of their> > > ancient> > > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to which> > > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali; the> > 'New> > > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit from> > which> > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we> dis-respect> > > > > 'Pali',> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we respect> > > Pali,> > > > > how> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of the> > > modern> > > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that most> of> > > the> > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri (7.53%),> > > Tharu> > > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar> > (3.39%),> > > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika> > (1.05%).> > > -> > > > > are> > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you will> > > > remember> > > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here names> such> > > as> > > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is> > > > > comparing> > > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> > > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece> of> > > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can> you> > > > > compare> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date> > > > because> > > > > I> > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other was> > > "Shiva"> > > > > > both> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch> > > Hindi> > > > > > movies> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So> again> > > if> > > > > You> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our> Kundlis> > as> > > > > well> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian> > speaking> > > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a very> > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one> wishes> > > to> > > > > > > express> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have come,> > and> > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French,> > > > marathi,> > > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopi ji,

 

My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a straight

man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating you my

Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your interestes

at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.

 

It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a " Telugu

Born " and then decide whether I fall in that category.

 

We are awaiting for your definitions on a " Telugu Born " .

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Dear Gopi ji,

>

> //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//

>

> I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but You

> keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell you

> this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS

BCOZ

> FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL

PROPER

> DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...

>

> The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me to

be

> a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or

Helen,

> or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography and

> making you read the same, to impress you..

>

> // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//

>

> I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But even

a

> small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other

regional

> languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National language

> in action with a regional language like telugu.

>

> Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this

> discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments over

> here...

>

> Bhaskar.

>

, " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.

> > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how

> am

> > I expected to know Telugu ???//

> > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to know

> > hindi?...

> > gopi.

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect a

> > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know

> > telugu

> > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you

> understand

> > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said

> > before

> > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have

> assumed

> > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must

> know

> > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ???

> > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is

to

> > give

> > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did

my

> > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South

for

> > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 " s. He was asked to look

> after

> > a

> > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but

that

> > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought

up

> > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my

Birth

> I

> > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to

> > know

> > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage

> > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn

> > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I

expected

> to

> > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done

in

> > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,

> > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a

> > Marathi.

> > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear Gopiji,

> > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming

> > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born

man

> > to

> > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you

> > > assume

> > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical

> problem

> > > of

> > > > members atleast now!!!

> > > > The translation goes like this..

> > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own

> > > shoulders

> > > > is a telugu proverb....

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You assume too many things.

> > > > >

> > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a

> child..

> > > > >

> > > > > Talapu - Close the door.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.

> > > > >

> > > > > sigguledu - No sharam

> > > > >

> > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber

> > > > >

> > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Alaage - Okay.

> > > > >

> > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please

> > translate

> > > > > what you have written to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > warm regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant

for

> > you

> > > > and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)

alone.....

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Boss,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest

> are

> > > all

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a

> > National

> > > > > > Language

> > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly

> > translate

> > > > what

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in English

or

> > > Hindi

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > is better understood ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,

> > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me

> also

> > > > > respond

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise

> > vuntundi,gummadikayala

> > > > > donga

> > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > ,

" Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is

> not

> > > > about

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being

good

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or

> persons,

> > > but

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit

> Astrology "

> > > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other

Groups.

> If

> > > You

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a

> > Lover

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than

many

> > > here.

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much

> long

> > > > post

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely

> > > agree.It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my

> life

> > > > > > specially

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I

> share

> > > > > > lagna/moon

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.

> > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi

and

> a

> > > > > fanatic

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english

medium.Those

> > who

> > > > > > profess

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to

their

> > > > children

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > hindi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC

also

> > > > crashed

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious

> research

> > > > > student

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about

> any

> > > > other

> > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > including language issue.

> > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all

> > > > languages

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body

and

> > > > > soul)But

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may

> > > simply

> > > > > > ignore

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.

> > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group

and

> > > words

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > shit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one

> > hand

> > > we

> > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like

> this.It

> > > also

> > > > > > hurts

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded

as

> > > > > > > fanatic!!.The

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i

believe

> > in

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali

language'

> > > which

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //

> > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the

> > > language

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " sreesog "

> > > > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be

> compared

> > > with

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the

> > history

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > vastness

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),

there

> is

> > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali

(an

> > > > > > indo-aryan

> > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and

> > > > > utteranchel

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > well),

> > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back

to

> > the

> > > > > > celtic

> > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with

> roots

> > > > both

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > southern

> > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central

> > russia).

> > > > Once

> > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being

> > used

> > > to

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu,

> Tamil

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its

> > > > grammatical

> > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary)

many

> > so

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > dravidian

> > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should

be

> > > better

> > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)

> > languages

> > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia,

> > brahmi,

> > > > > > prakrit

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the

> fire

> > > > > > worshiper

> > > > > > > > > (vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship

> > > (tantric

> > > > > > cult)

> > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as

> the

> > > > > > > > communication

> > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects

of

> > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of

> > Europe

> > > as

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that -

> Any

> > > > > language

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are

of

> > > > inside

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > outside

> > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same

> purpose

> > -

> > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > serving

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.

> Religion

> > is

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > bound

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and

> so

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > affection

> > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the

world.

> > > > > > > > > > > Note:

> > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something

> > about

> > > > > > 'Nepali

> > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of

> > > > contempt.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound

familiar?

> > > Pali

> > > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people

throughout

> > > india

> > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well

familiar

> > > local

> > > > > > > tongue.

> > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this

> > > > language.

> > > > > > Pali

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of

their

> > > > ancient

> > > > > > > > > > literature

> > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to

which

> > > > > 'Ne-Pali'

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali;

> the

> > > 'New

> > > > > > > Pali').

> > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit

from

> > > which

> > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we

> > dis-respect

> > > > > > 'Pali',

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we

> respect

> > > > Pali,

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of

the

> > > > modern

> > > > > > > > Buddists

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that

> most

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as

> > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri

> (7.53%),

> > > > Tharu

> > > > > > > > (5.86%),

> > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar

> > > (3.39%),

> > > > > > > Awadhi

> > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika

> > > (1.05%).

> > > > -

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you

> will

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here

names

> > such

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > Maithili,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man

> is

> > > > > > comparing

> > > > > > > > > telugu

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too

> > > > > much!!!.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small

piece

> > of

> > > > > Land.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How

can

> > you

> > > > > > compare

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > ewith

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd

comparisons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till

> date

> > > > > because

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the other

was

> > > > " Shiva "

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people

> watch

> > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > movies

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So

> > again

> > > > if

> > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal

> > > > > > > functionabilities

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our

> > Kundlis

> > > as

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian

> > > speaking

> > > > > > > Pundits

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a

> very

> > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one

> > wishes

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have

> come,

> > > and

> > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,

> French,

> > > > > marathi,

> > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,//We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".//If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.Anyway if you are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple definition is one who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As simple as that....gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a straight> man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating you my> Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your interestes> at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.> > It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a "Telugu> Born" and then decide whether I fall in that category.> > We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi ji,> >> > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//> >> > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but You> > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell you> > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS> BCOZ> > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL> PROPER> > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...> >> > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me to> be> > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or> Helen,> > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography and> > making you read the same, to impress you..> >> > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//> >> > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But even> a> > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other> regional> > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National language> > in action with a regional language like telugu.> >> > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this> > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments over> > here...> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.> > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how> > am> > > I expected to know Telugu ???//> > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to know> > > hindi?...> > > gopi.> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect a> > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know> > > telugu> > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you> > understand> > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said> > > before> > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have> > assumed> > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must> > know> > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ???> > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is> to> > > give> > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did> my> > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South> for> > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look> > after> > > a> > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but> that> > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought> up> > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my> Birth> > I> > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to> > > know> > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage> > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn> > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I> expected> > to> > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done> in> > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,> > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a> > > Marathi.> > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear Gopiji,> > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming> > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born> man> > > to> > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you> > > > assume> > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical> > problem> > > > of> > > > > members atleast now!!!> > > > > The translation goes like this..> > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own> > > > shoulders> > > > > is a telugu proverb....> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > You assume too many things.> > > > > >> > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a> > child..> > > > > >> > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > > > > >> > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > > > > >> > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam> > > > > >> > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > > > > >> > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > > > > >> > > > > > Alaage - Okay.> > > > > >> > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > > > > >> > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please> > > translate> > > > > > what you have written to me.> > > > > >> > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant> for> > > you> > > > > and> > > > > > i> > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)> alone.....> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest> > are> > > > all> > > > > > > using> > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a> > > National> > > > > > > Language> > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly> > > translate> > > > > what> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in English> or> > > > Hindi> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > is better understood ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me> > also> > > > > > respond> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise> > > vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > > > > donga> > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is> > not> > > > > about> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being> good> > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or> > persons,> > > > but> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit> > Astrology"> > > > in> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other> Groups.> > If> > > > You> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a> > > Lover> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than> many> > > > here.> > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much> > long> > > > > post> > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely> > > > agree.It> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my> > life> > > > > > > specially> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I> > share> > > > > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi> and> > a> > > > > > fanatic> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english> medium.Those> > > who> > > > > > > profess> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to> their> > > > > children> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC> also> > > > > crashed> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious> > research> > > > > > student> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about> > any> > > > > other> > > > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all> > > > > languages> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body> and> > > > > > soul)But> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may> > > > simply> > > > > > > ignore> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group> and> > > > words> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > shit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one> > > hand> > > > we> > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like> > this.It> > > > also> > > > > > > hurts> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded> as> > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i> believe> > > in> > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali> language'> > > > which> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the> > > > language> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "sreesog"> > > > > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be> > compared> > > > with> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the> > > history> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),> there> > is> > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali> (an> > > > > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and> > > > > > utteranchel> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back> to> > > the> > > > > > > celtic> > > > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with> > roots> > > > > both> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central> > > russia).> > > > > Once> > > > > > > > upon> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being> > > used> > > > to> > > > > > > write> > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu,> > Tamil> > > > > etc.> > > > > > > Even> > > > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its> > > > > grammatical> > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary)> many> > > so> > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should> be> > > > better> > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)> > > languages> > > > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia,> > > brahmi,> > > > > > > prakrit> > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the> > fire> > > > > > > worshiper> > > > > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship> > > > (tantric> > > > > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as> > the> > > > > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects> of> > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of> > > Europe> > > > as> > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that -> > Any> > > > > > language> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are> of> > > > > inside> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same> > purpose> > > -> > > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.> > Religion> > > is> > > > > is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and> > so> > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the> world.> > > > > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something> > > about> > > > > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of> > > > > contempt.> > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound> familiar?> > > > Pali> > > > > is> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people> throughout> > > > india> > > > > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well> familiar> > > > local> > > > > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this> > > > > language.> > > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of> their> > > > > ancient> > > > > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to> which> > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali;> > the> > > > 'New> > > > > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit> from> > > > which> > > > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we> > > dis-respect> > > > > > > 'Pali',> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we> > respect> > > > > Pali,> > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of> the> > > > > modern> > > > > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that> > most> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri> > (7.53%),> > > > > Tharu> > > > > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar> > > > (3.39%),> > > > > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika> > > > (1.05%).> > > > > -> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you> > will> > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here> names> > > such> > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man> > is> > > > > > > comparing> > > > > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> > > > > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small> piece> > > of> > > > > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How> can> > > you> > > > > > > compare> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd> comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till> > date> > > > > > because> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other> was> > > > > "Shiva"> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people> > watch> > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > movies> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So> > > again> > > > > if> > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > > > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our> > > Kundlis> > > > as> > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian> > > > speaking> > > > > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a> > very> > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one> > > wishes> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > express> > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have> > come,> > > > and> > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,> > French,> > > > > > marathi,> > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Gopi ji,

// If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.//

Again assumptions that those who have two names are not straight. So many Actors have two names. Are they not straight ? Even Cheiro the great palmist had two names. He was not straight ? Those who are not straight with two names are those who hide this fact from the Public. I do not. Go to face Book. Go to every Website I am affliated with and tyou will find the mention of this fact.

//Anyway if you are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple definition is one who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As simple as that....gopi. //

So You mean to say that all those who migrated to Bombay be it Parsis, Gujaratis, Biharis, North indians, Bengalis, South Indians, their children are all "Marathi's" ????

Sir I told you do not argue with me. I know what I speak. And dont speak if I dont know.

Bhaskar.

, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> //We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".//> If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.Anyway if you> are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple definition is one> who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As simple as that....> gopi.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi ji,> >> > My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a straight> > man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating you> my> > Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your> interestes> > at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.> >> > It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a "Telugu> > Born" and then decide whether I fall in that category.> >> > We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//> > >> > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but> You> > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell> you> > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS> > BCOZ> > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL> > PROPER> > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...> > >> > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me> to> > be> > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or> > Helen,> > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography> and> > > making you read the same, to impress you..> > >> > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//> > >> > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But> even> > a> > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other> > regional> > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National> language> > > in action with a regional language like telugu.> > >> > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this> > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments> over> > > here...> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.> > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so> how> > > am> > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//> > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to> know> > > > hindi?...> > > > gopi.> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect> a> > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know> > > > telugu> > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you> > > understand> > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said> > > > before> > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have> > > assumed> > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he> must> > > know> > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born> ???> > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is> > to> > > > give> > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did> > my> > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South> > for> > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look> > > after> > > > a> > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but> > that> > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood> brought> > up> > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my> > Birth> > > I> > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected> to> > > > know> > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till> teenaage> > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn> > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I> > expected> > > to> > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was> done> > in> > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,> > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a> > > > Marathi.> > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear> Gopiji,> > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your> assuming> > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born> > man> > > > to> > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can> you> > > > > assume> > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical> > > problem> > > > > of> > > > > > members atleast now!!!> > > > > > The translation goes like this..> > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own> > > > > shoulders> > > > > > is a telugu proverb....> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You assume too many things.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a> > > child..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please> > > > translate> > > > > > > what you have written to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant> > for> > > > you> > > > > > and> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)> > alone.....> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.> Rest> > > are> > > > > all> > > > > > > > using> > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a> > > > National> > > > > > > > Language> > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly> > > > translate> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in> English> > or> > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > is better understood ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let> me> > > also> > > > > > > respond> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise> > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > > > > > donga> > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > ,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it> is> > > not> > > > > > about> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being> > good> > > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or> > > persons,> > > > > but> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit> > > Astrology"> > > > > in> > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other> > Groups.> > > If> > > > > You> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am> a> > > > Lover> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than> > many> > > > > here.> > > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that> much> > > long> > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and> entirely> > > > > agree.It> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in> my> > > life> > > > > > > > specially> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I> > > share> > > > > > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi> > and> > > a> > > > > > > fanatic> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english> > medium.Those> > > > who> > > > > > > > profess> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to> > their> > > > > > children> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC> > also> > > > > > crashed> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious> > > research> > > > > > > student> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not> about> > > any> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that> all> > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body> > and> > > > > > > soul)But> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree> may> > > > > simply> > > > > > > > ignore> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group> > and> > > > > words> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > shit> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On> one> > > > hand> > > > > we> > > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like> > > this.It> > > > > also> > > > > > > > hurts> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded> > as> > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i> > believe> > > > in> > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali> > language'> > > > > which> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about> the> > > > > language> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "sreesog"> > > > > > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be> > > compared> > > > > with> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the> > > > history> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),> > there> > > is> > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali> > (an> > > > > > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam> and> > > > > > > utteranchel> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes> back> > to> > > > the> > > > > > > > celtic> > > > > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with> > > roots> > > > > > both> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central> > > > russia).> > > > > > Once> > > > > > > > > upon> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were> being> > > > used> > > > > to> > > > > > > > write> > > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu,> > > Tamil> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > Even> > > > > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its> > > > > > grammatical> > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary)> > many> > > > so> > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should> > be> > > > > better> > > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)> > > > languages> > > > > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia,> > > > brahmi,> > > > > > > > prakrit> > > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the> > > fire> > > > > > > > worshiper> > > > > > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship> > > > > (tantric> > > > > > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit> as> > > the> > > > > > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various> dialects> > of> > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of> > > > Europe> > > > > as> > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that> -> > > Any> > > > > > > language> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they> are> > of> > > > > > inside> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same> > > purpose> > > > -> > > > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.> > > Religion> > > > is> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages> and> > > so> > > > is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the> > world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying> something> > > > about> > > > > > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit> of> > > > > > contempt.> > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound> > familiar?> > > > > Pali> > > > > > is> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people> > throughout> > > > > india> > > > > > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well> > familiar> > > > > local> > > > > > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke> this> > > > > > language.> > > > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of> > their> > > > > > ancient> > > > > > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to> > which> > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified> pali;> > > the> > > > > 'New> > > > > > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit> > from> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we> > > > dis-respect> > > > > > > > 'Pali',> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we> > > respect> > > > > > Pali,> > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of> > the> > > > > > modern> > > > > > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that> > > most> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri> > > (7.53%),> > > > > > Tharu> > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),> Magar> > > > > (3.39%),> > > > > > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika> > > > > (1.05%).> > > > > > -> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you> > > will> > > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here> > names> > > > such> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this> man> > > is> > > > > > > > comparing> > > > > > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> > > > > > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> ,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small> > piece> > > > of> > > > > > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How> > can> > > > you> > > > > > > > compare> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd> > comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films> till> > > date> > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other> > was> > > > > > "Shiva"> > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people> > > watch> > > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > > movies> > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one.> So> > > > again> > > > > > if> > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > > > > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our> > > > Kundlis> > > > > as> > > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian> > > > > speaking> > > > > > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is> a> > > very> > > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes> one> > > > wishes> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > express> > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have> > > come,> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,> > > French,> > > > > > > marathi,> > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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I have already given reasons umpteen ( Innumerous) times, on this Group

and others on why I have two names., one given through Birth, and other

taken for Professional Jyotish Work. Those who have come in late, and

just turned astrologers , I would advise them to practise some astrology

further before commenting as critics on the why of this related to

otehrs who have a seperate exclusive stature, the least to say....

 

One must do some homework before trying to criticise. One must study

astrology before trying to deem it as a worthless science. One must feel

the softness of the Rose petals before commenting on its futility wheres

there none. One must feel the loneliness of a man ostracised from his

family befoe commenting on why he left his home....

 

We must know the facts before we comment in a blaming tone, bcoz when we

point a finger at some one, 3 are pointed towards us..

 

Gopi ji, find out the reasons for my keeping two names, and also whether

I have shielded this knowledge from the public, before you relate it to

being an act of a not straight man, which I am not and never was, and

never will be....

 

Bhaskar whatever he does, right or wrong is always available to talk the

truth and justify it if he is right, or ask for forgiveness whenever he

is wrong... But concealments of facts, this is nOT the Nature of

Bhaskar.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Dear Gopi ji,

>

> // If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.//

>

> Again assumptions that those who have two names are not straight. So

> many Actors have two names. Are they not straight ? Even Cheiro the

> great palmist had two names. He was not straight ? Those who are not

> straight with two names are those who hide this fact from the Public.

I

> do not. Go to face Book. Go to every Website I am affliated with and

> tyou will find the mention of this fact.

>

> //Anyway if you are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple

> definition is one who is/was born in a telugu language speaking

land.As

> simple as that....

> gopi. //

>

> So You mean to say that all those who migrated to Bombay be it Parsis,

> Gujaratis, Biharis, North indians, Bengalis, South Indians, their

> children are all " Marathi's " ????

>

> Sir I told you do not argue with me. I know what I speak. And dont

speak

> if I dont know.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > //We are awaiting for your definitions on a " Telugu Born " .//

> > If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.Anyway if

you

> > are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple definition is

> one

> > who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As simple as

> that....

> > gopi.

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > >

> > > My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a

> straight

> > > man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating

you

> > my

> > > Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your

> > interestes

> > > at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.

> > >

> > > It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a

" Telugu

> > > Born " and then decide whether I fall in that category.

> > >

> > > We are awaiting for your definitions on a " Telugu Born " .

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//

> > > >

> > > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions,

but

> > You

> > > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I

tell

> > you

> > > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR

INTERESTS

> > > BCOZ

> > > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL

> > > PROPER

> > > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...

> > > >

> > > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think

me

> > to

> > > be

> > > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi

or

> > > Helen,

> > > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my

autobiography

> > and

> > > > making you read the same, to impress you..

> > > >

> > > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//

> > > >

> > > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But

> > even

> > > a

> > > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other

> > > regional

> > > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National

> > language

> > > > in action with a regional language like telugu.

> > > >

> > > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave

> this

> > > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any

arguments

> > over

> > > > here...

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.

> > > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay,

so

> > how

> > > > am

> > > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//

> > > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to

> > know

> > > > > hindi?...

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i

> expect

> > a

> > > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont

> know

> > > > > telugu

> > > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you

> > > > understand

> > > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I

> said

> > > > > before

> > > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you

have

> > > > assumed

> > > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he

> > must

> > > > know

> > > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu

born

> > ???

> > > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady

who

> is

> > > to

> > > > > give

> > > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So

> did

> > > my

> > > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to

> South

> > > for

> > > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 " s. He was asked to

> look

> > > > after

> > > > > a

> > > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there,

> but

> > > that

> > > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood

> > brought

> > > up

> > > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after

my

> > > Birth

> > > > I

> > > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I

> expected

> > to

> > > > > know

> > > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till

> > teenaage

> > > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to

> learn

> > > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I

> > > expected

> > > > to

> > > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was

> > done

> > > in

> > > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in

> Bombay,

> > > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me

a

> > > > > Marathi.

> > > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear

> > Gopiji,

> > > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your

> > assuming

> > > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu

> born

> > > man

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how

can

> > you

> > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand

practical

> > > > problem

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > members atleast now!!!

> > > > > > > The translation goes like this..

> > > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his

> own

> > > > > > shoulders

> > > > > > > is a telugu proverb....

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You assume too many things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as

a

> > > > child..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to

please

> > > > > translate

> > > > > > > > what you have written to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is

> meant

> > > for

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)

> > > alone.....

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > ,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Boss,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.

> > Rest

> > > > are

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of

a

> > > > > National

> > > > > > > > > Language

> > > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you

kindly

> > > > > translate

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in

> > English

> > > or

> > > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > is better understood ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,

> > > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language

let

> > me

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise

> > > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala

> > > > > > > > donga

> > > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....//

> Being

> > > good

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or

> > > > persons,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit

> > > > Astrology "

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other

> > > Groups.

> > > > If

> > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same.

I

> am

> > a

> > > > > Lover

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better

> than

> > > many

> > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that

> > much

> > > > long

> > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and

> > entirely

> > > > > > agree.It

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things

in

> > my

> > > > life

> > > > > > > > > specially

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours

> too).I

> > > > share

> > > > > > > > > lagna/moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect

> hindi

> > > and

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > fanatic

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english

> > > medium.Those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > profess

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk

to

> > > their

> > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > hindi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my

PC

> > > also

> > > > > > > crashed

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a

sincere/serious

> > > > research

> > > > > > > > student

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not

> > about

> > > > any

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all

that

> > all

> > > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in

> body

> > > and

> > > > > > > > soul)But

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not

agree

> > may

> > > > > > simply

> > > > > > > > > ignore

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the

> group

> > > and

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > shit

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives

pain.On

> > one

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk

like

> > > > this.It

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > hurts

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and

> branded

> > > as

> > > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i

> > > believe

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali

> > > language'

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not

about

> > the

> > > > > > language

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > > > " sreesog "

> > > > > > > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be

> > > > compared

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though

> the

> > > > > history

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > vastness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will

differ),

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with

> napali

> > > (an

> > > > > > > > > indo-aryan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal,

assam

> > and

> > > > > > > > utteranchel

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes

> > back

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > celtic

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages

> with

> > > > roots

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > southern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of

central

> > > > > russia).

> > > > > > > Once

> > > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were

> > being

> > > > > used

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit,

> Telungu,

> > > > Tamil

> > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to

> its

> > > > > > > grammatical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words

> (vocabulary)

> > > many

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada

> should

> > > be

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it

indo-tantric?)

> > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central

> russia,

> > > > > brahmi,

> > > > > > > > > prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both

> the

> > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > worshiper

> > > > > > > > > > > > (vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol

> worship

> > > > > > (tantric

> > > > > > > > > cult)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used

Prakrit

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > communication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various

> > dialects

> > > of

> > > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the

whole

> of

> > > > > Europe

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is

> that

> > -

> > > > Any

> > > > > > > > language

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether

they

> > are

> > > of

> > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > outside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the

same

> > > > purpose

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > > serving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.

> > > > Religion

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > bound

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is

languages

> > and

> > > > so

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > affection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in

the

> > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying

> > something

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > 'Nepali

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a

> bit

> > of

> > > > > > > contempt.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound

> > > familiar?

> > > > > > Pali

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people

> > > throughout

> > > > > > india

> > > > > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well

> > > familiar

> > > > > > local

> > > > > > > > > > tongue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke

> > this

> > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > Pali

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most

of

> > > their

> > > > > > > ancient

> > > > > > > > > > > > > literature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language

to

> > > which

> > > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified

> > pali;

> > > > the

> > > > > > 'New

> > > > > > > > > > Pali').

> > > > > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect

Prakrit

> > > from

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we

> > > > > dis-respect

> > > > > > > > > 'Pali',

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If

we

> > > > respect

> > > > > > > Pali,

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the

language

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > Buddists

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident

> that

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri

> > > > (7.53%),

> > > > > > > Tharu

> > > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),

> > Magar

> > > > > > (3.39%),

> > > > > > > > > > Awadhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and

> Bajjika

> > > > > > (1.05%).

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least

> you

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you

here

> > > names

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh

this

> > man

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > comparing

> > > > > > > > > > > > telugu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is

> too

> > > > > > > > much!!!.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a

small

> > > piece

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Land.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language.

> How

> > > can

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > compare

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd

> > > comparisons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films

> > till

> > > > date

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the

> other

> > > was

> > > > > > > " Shiva "

> > > > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu

> people

> > > > watch

> > > > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > > > movies

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu

> one.

> > So

> > > > > again

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the

> intestinal

> > > > > > > > > > functionabilities

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp

down.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show

> our

> > > > > Kundlis

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South

> Indian

> > > > > > speaking

> > > > > > > > > > Pundits

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation

> is

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along.

Sometimes

> > one

> > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts

> have

> > > > come,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting

Nepali,

> > > > French,

> > > > > > > > marathi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,you dont WANT to understand.You just want to shout.When i respond to your question marks,you call it assuptions ,this,that and twist....there is no point going on like this personal attacks.I am going to stop responding also leaving everything to your own ASUPTIONS.....BY,GOPI , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > // If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.//> > Again assumptions that those who have two names are not straight. So> many Actors have two names. Are they not straight ? Even Cheiro the> great palmist had two names. He was not straight ? Those who are not> straight with two names are those who hide this fact from the Public. I> do not. Go to face Book. Go to every Website I am affliated with and> tyou will find the mention of this fact.> > //Anyway if you are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple> definition is one who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As> simple as that....> gopi. //> > So You mean to say that all those who migrated to Bombay be it Parsis,> Gujaratis, Biharis, North indians, Bengalis, South Indians, their> children are all "Marathi's" ????> > Sir I told you do not argue with me. I know what I speak. And dont speak> if I dont know.> > Bhaskar.> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > //We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".//> > If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.Anyway if you> > are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple definition is> one> > who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As simple as> that....> > gopi.> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > > My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a> straight> > > man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating you> > my> > > Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your> > interestes> > > at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.> > >> > > It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a "Telugu> > > Born" and then decide whether I fall in that category.> > >> > > We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > >> > > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//> > > >> > > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but> > You> > > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell> > you> > > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS> > > BCOZ> > > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL> > > PROPER> > > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...> > > >> > > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me> > to> > > be> > > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or> > > Helen,> > > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography> > and> > > > making you read the same, to impress you..> > > >> > > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//> > > >> > > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But> > even> > > a> > > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other> > > regional> > > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National> > language> > > > in action with a regional language like telugu.> > > >> > > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave> this> > > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments> > over> > > > here...> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.> > > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so> > how> > > > am> > > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//> > > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to> > know> > > > > hindi?...> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i> expect> > a> > > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont> know> > > > > telugu> > > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you> > > > understand> > > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I> said> > > > > before> > > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have> > > > assumed> > > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he> > must> > > > know> > > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born> > ???> > > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who> is> > > to> > > > > give> > > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So> did> > > my> > > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to> South> > > for> > > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to> look> > > > after> > > > > a> > > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there,> but> > > that> > > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood> > brought> > > up> > > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my> > > Birth> > > > I> > > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I> expected> > to> > > > > know> > > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till> > teenaage> > > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to> learn> > > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I> > > expected> > > > to> > > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was> > done> > > in> > > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in> Bombay,> > > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a> > > > > Marathi.> > > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear> > Gopiji,> > > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your> > assuming> > > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu> born> > > man> > > > > to> > > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can> > you> > > > > > assume> > > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical> > > > problem> > > > > > of> > > > > > > members atleast now!!!> > > > > > > The translation goes like this..> > > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his> own> > > > > > shoulders> > > > > > > is a telugu proverb....> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You assume too many things.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a> > > > child..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please> > > > > translate> > > > > > > > what you have written to me.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is> meant> > > for> > > > > you> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)> > > alone.....> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.> > Rest> > > > are> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > using> > > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a> > > > > National> > > > > > > > > Language> > > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly> > > > > translate> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in> > English> > > or> > > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > is better understood ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let> > me> > > > also> > > > > > > > respond> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise> > > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > > > > > > donga> > > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it> > is> > > > not> > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....//> Being> > > good> > > > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or> > > > persons,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit> > > > Astrology"> > > > > > in> > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other> > > Groups.> > > > If> > > > > > You> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I> am> > a> > > > > Lover> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better> than> > > many> > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that> > much> > > > long> > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and> > entirely> > > > > > agree.It> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in> > my> > > > life> > > > > > > > > specially> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours> too).I> > > > share> > > > > > > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect> hindi> > > and> > > > a> > > > > > > > fanatic> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english> > > medium.Those> > > > > who> > > > > > > > > profess> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to> > > their> > > > > > > children> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC> > > also> > > > > > > crashed> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious> > > > research> > > > > > > > student> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not> > about> > > > any> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that> > all> > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in> body> > > and> > > > > > > > soul)But> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree> > may> > > > > > simply> > > > > > > > > ignore> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the> group> > > and> > > > > > words> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > shit> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On> > one> > > > > hand> > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like> > > > this.It> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > hurts> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and> branded> > > as> > > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i> > > believe> > > > > in> > > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali> > > language'> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about> > the> > > > > > language> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "sreesog"> > > > > > > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be> > > > compared> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though> the> > > > > history> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),> > > there> > > > is> > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with> napali> > > (an> > > > > > > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam> > and> > > > > > > > utteranchel> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes> > back> > > to> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > celtic> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages> with> > > > roots> > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central> > > > > russia).> > > > > > > Once> > > > > > > > > > upon> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were> > being> > > > > used> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > write> > > > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit,> Telungu,> > > > Tamil> > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > Even> > > > > > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to> its> > > > > > > grammatical> > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words> (vocabulary)> > > many> > > > > so> > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada> should> > > be> > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)> > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central> russia,> > > > > brahmi,> > > > > > > > > prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both> the> > > > fire> > > > > > > > > worshiper> > > > > > > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol> worship> > > > > > (tantric> > > > > > > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit> > as> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various> > dialects> > > of> > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole> of> > > > > Europe> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is> that> > -> > > > Any> > > > > > > > language> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they> > are> > > of> > > > > > > inside> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same> > > > purpose> > > > > -> > > > > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.> > > > Religion> > > > > is> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages> > and> > > > so> > > > > is> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the> > > world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying> > something> > > > > about> > > > > > > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a> bit> > of> > > > > > > contempt.> > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound> > > familiar?> > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people> > > throughout> > > > > > india> > > > > > > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well> > > familiar> > > > > > local> > > > > > > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke> > this> > > > > > > language.> > > > > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of> > > their> > > > > > > ancient> > > > > > > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to> > > which> > > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified> > pali;> > > > the> > > > > > 'New> > > > > > > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit> > > from> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we> > > > > dis-respect> > > > > > > > > 'Pali',> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we> > > > respect> > > > > > > Pali,> > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language> of> > > the> > > > > > > modern> > > > > > > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident> that> > > > most> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri> > > > (7.53%),> > > > > > > Tharu> > > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),> > Magar> > > > > > (3.39%),> > > > > > > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and> Bajjika> > > > > > (1.05%).> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least> you> > > > will> > > > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here> > > names> > > > > such> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> ,> > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this> > man> > > > is> > > > > > > > > comparing> > > > > > > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is> too> > > > > > > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > ,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small> > > piece> > > > > of> > > > > > > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language.> How> > > can> > > > > you> > > > > > > > > compare> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd> > > comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films> > till> > > > date> > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the> other> > > was> > > > > > > "Shiva"> > > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu> people> > > > watch> > > > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > > > movies> > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu> one.> > So> > > > > again> > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the> intestinal> > > > > > > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show> our> > > > > Kundlis> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South> Indian> > > > > > speaking> > > > > > > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation> is> > a> > > > very> > > > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes> > one> > > > > wishes> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > express> > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts> have> > > > come,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,> > > > French,> > > > > > > > marathi,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopi ji,

// you dont WANT to understand.You just want to shout//

Sir you again started assuming.How do you know what I WANT. Even my wife does not know what I want, and most of the times even I do not know what I want. And who is shouting. I am sure only you have heard my voice here...

// there is no point going on like this personal attacks//

Sir your following lines are known as personal attacks, and trying to hit below the belt. Luckily I have alibis for every actions of mines so no one can hit me and hurt me.

// If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.//

// sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//

// If at all any contempt is there it is not about the language but about the concerned person....//

I can write much more, but would be wasting precious moments of my Life in searching, locating and copy pasting. Makes no sense. We are not fighting any Mahabharata war.

And now I hope we close the thread for posterity sake. I have nothing against you, know this. You may be a good man, and I do not have any strong reasons to doubt it.

And now enjoy your Sunday dear Gopalkrishnaji, and let me work too...

No issues from my sides, and no hard feelings. I still find you affectionate.. And dont now start assuming matters again. I am straight. I find you affectionate for many matters including the comedy and humour you produce alongwith time pass.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> you dont WANT to understand.You just want to shout.When i respond to> your question marks,you call it assuptions ,this,that and twist....> there is no point going on like this personal attacks.I am going to stop> responding also leaving everything to your own ASUPTIONS.....> BY,> GOPI> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi ji,> >> > // If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.//> >> > Again assumptions that those who have two names are not straight. So> > many Actors have two names. Are they not straight ? Even Cheiro the> > great palmist had two names. He was not straight ? Those who are not> > straight with two names are those who hide this fact from the Public.> I> > do not. Go to face Book. Go to every Website I am affliated with and> > tyou will find the mention of this fact.> >> > //Anyway if you are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple> > definition is one who is/was born in a telugu language speaking> land.As> > simple as that....> > gopi. //> >> > So You mean to say that all those who migrated to Bombay be it Parsis,> > Gujaratis, Biharis, North indians, Bengalis, South Indians, their> > children are all "Marathi's" ????> >> > Sir I told you do not argue with me. I know what I speak. And dont> speak> > if I dont know.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > //We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".//> > > If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.Anyway if> you> > > are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple definition is> > one> > > who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As simple as> > that....> > > gopi.> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > >> > > > My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a> > straight> > > > man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating> you> > > my> > > > Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your> > > interestes> > > > at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.> > > >> > > > It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a> "Telugu> > > > Born" and then decide whether I fall in that category.> > > >> > > > We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > >> > > > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//> > > > >> > > > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions,> but> > > You> > > > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I> tell> > > you> > > > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR> INTERESTS> > > > BCOZ> > > > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL> > > > PROPER> > > > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...> > > > >> > > > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think> me> > > to> > > > be> > > > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi> or> > > > Helen,> > > > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my> autobiography> > > and> > > > > making you read the same, to impress you..> > > > >> > > > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//> > > > >> > > > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But> > > even> > > > a> > > > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other> > > > regional> > > > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National> > > language> > > > > in action with a regional language like telugu.> > > > >> > > > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave> > this> > > > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any> arguments> > > over> > > > > here...> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.> > > > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay,> so> > > how> > > > > am> > > > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//> > > > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to> > > know> > > > > > hindi?...> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i> > expect> > > a> > > > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont> > know> > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you> > > > > understand> > > > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I> > said> > > > > > before> > > > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you> have> > > > > assumed> > > > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he> > > must> > > > > know> > > > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu> born> > > ???> > > > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady> who> > is> > > > to> > > > > > give> > > > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So> > did> > > > my> > > > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to> > South> > > > for> > > > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to> > look> > > > > after> > > > > > a> > > > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there,> > but> > > > that> > > > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood> > > brought> > > > up> > > > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after> my> > > > Birth> > > > > I> > > > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I> > expected> > > to> > > > > > know> > > > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till> > > teenaage> > > > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to> > learn> > > > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I> > > > expected> > > > > to> > > > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was> > > done> > > > in> > > > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in> > Bombay,> > > > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me> a> > > > > > Marathi.> > > > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear> > > Gopiji,> > > > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your> > > assuming> > > > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu> > born> > > > man> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how> can> > > you> > > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand> practical> > > > > problem> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > members atleast now!!!> > > > > > > > The translation goes like this..> > > > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his> > own> > > > > > > shoulders> > > > > > > > is a telugu proverb....> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You assume too many things.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as> a> > > > > child..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to> please> > > > > > translate> > > > > > > > > what you have written to me.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is> > meant> > > > for> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)> > > > alone.....> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > ,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.> > > Rest> > > > > are> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > using> > > > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of> a> > > > > > National> > > > > > > > > > Language> > > > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you> kindly> > > > > > translate> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in> > > English> > > > or> > > > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > is better understood ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language> let> > > me> > > > > also> > > > > > > > > respond> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise> > > > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > > > > > > > donga> > > > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there> it> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....//> > Being> > > > good> > > > > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or> > > > > persons,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit> > > > > Astrology"> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other> > > > Groups.> > > > > If> > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same.> I> > am> > > a> > > > > > Lover> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better> > than> > > > many> > > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that> > > much> > > > > long> > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and> > > entirely> > > > > > > agree.It> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things> in> > > my> > > > > life> > > > > > > > > > specially> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours> > too).I> > > > > share> > > > > > > > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect> > hindi> > > > and> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > fanatic> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english> > > > medium.Those> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > profess> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk> to> > > > their> > > > > > > > children> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my> PC> > > > also> > > > > > > > crashed> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a> sincere/serious> > > > > research> > > > > > > > > student> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not> > > about> > > > > any> > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all> that> > > all> > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in> > body> > > > and> > > > > > > > > soul)But> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not> agree> > > may> > > > > > > simply> > > > > > > > > > ignore> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the> > group> > > > and> > > > > > > words> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > shit> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives> pain.On> > > one> > > > > > hand> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk> like> > > > > this.It> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > hurts> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and> > branded> > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i> > > > believe> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali> > > > language'> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not> about> > > the> > > > > > > language> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> ,> > > > > > "sreesog"> > > > > > > > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be> > > > > compared> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though> > the> > > > > > history> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will> differ),> > > > there> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with> > napali> > > > (an> > > > > > > > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal,> assam> > > and> > > > > > > > > utteranchel> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes> > > back> > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > celtic> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages> > with> > > > > roots> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of> central> > > > > > russia).> > > > > > > > Once> > > > > > > > > > > upon> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were> > > being> > > > > > used> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > write> > > > > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit,> > Telungu,> > > > > Tamil> > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > Even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to> > its> > > > > > > > grammatical> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words> > (vocabulary)> > > > many> > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada> > should> > > > be> > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it> indo-tantric?)> > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central> > russia,> > > > > > brahmi,> > > > > > > > > > prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both> > the> > > > > fire> > > > > > > > > > worshiper> > > > > > > > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol> > worship> > > > > > > (tantric> > > > > > > > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used> Prakrit> > > as> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various> > > dialects> > > > of> > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the> whole> > of> > > > > > Europe> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is> > that> > > -> > > > > Any> > > > > > > > > language> > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether> they> > > are> > > > of> > > > > > > > inside> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the> same> > > > > purpose> > > > > > -> > > > > > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.> > > > > Religion> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is> languages> > > and> > > > > so> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in> the> > > > world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying> > > something> > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a> > bit> > > of> > > > > > > > contempt.> > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound> > > > familiar?> > > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people> > > > throughout> > > > > > > india> > > > > > > > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well> > > > familiar> > > > > > > local> > > > > > > > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke> > > this> > > > > > > > language.> > > > > > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most> of> > > > their> > > > > > > > ancient> > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language> to> > > > which> > > > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified> > > pali;> > > > > the> > > > > > > 'New> > > > > > > > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect> Prakrit> > > > from> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we> > > > > > dis-respect> > > > > > > > > > 'Pali',> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If> we> > > > > respect> > > > > > > > Pali,> > > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the> language> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > > modern> > > > > > > > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident> > that> > > > > most> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri> > > > > (7.53%),> > > > > > > > Tharu> > > > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),> > > Magar> > > > > > > (3.39%),> > > > > > > > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and> > Bajjika> > > > > > > (1.05%).> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least> > you> > > > > will> > > > > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you> here> > > > names> > > > > > such> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > ,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh> this> > > man> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > comparing> > > > > > > > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is> > too> > > > > > > > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > ,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a> small> > > > piece> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language.> > How> > > > can> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > compare> > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd> > > > comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films> > > till> > > > > date> > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the> > other> > > > was> > > > > > > > "Shiva"> > > > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu> > people> > > > > watch> > > > > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > > > > movies> > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu> > one.> > > So> > > > > > again> > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the> > intestinal> > > > > > > > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp> down.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show> > our> > > > > > Kundlis> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South> > Indian> > > > > > > speaking> > > > > > > > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation> > is> > > a> > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along.> Sometimes> > > one> > > > > > wishes> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > express> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts> > have> > > > > come,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting> Nepali,> > > > > French,> > > > > > > > > marathi,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Respected Shri Bhaskar Ji, Shri Gopi Ji,

 

Forgive me for butting-in i could not resist after observing and reading this

thread!...

 

But would like to share something about ASSUMING and the Word *ASSUME* (nothing

personal here i am sharing what happened and what happens on a daily basis

between our Sales Team and Support team...)

 

Me being a sales guy and my other colegues normally commits many things to our

customer(s) despite knowing that we'll not be able to honor those commitments

like telling my customer fine sir we will do that our Engineer will visit your

office surely and fix the problem etc etc...

 

Then comes the arguments and fights with our Support team:-):-) One day

discussion was going on, One saying to another How do U Assume? and how come you

gave commitment to the client?

 

At this point my senior Manager intervened and in the meeting and

wrote:

 

ASS|U|ME

 

And said this is WHAT happens when we ASSUME....

 

Hope i need not to explain more.....:-)

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> // I know this is what you want //

>

> Sir my repeatedly giving you friendly and good advices as a well wisher

> is falling on deaf ears, unfortunately and going in vain.

>

> You are again assuming that You KNOW, and again assuming what I WANT.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

> , " gopalakrishna "

> <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> >

> > there is no scope for you to put any arguments over here...//

> > I know this is what you want.But one thing you are not the judge.There

> > is ONE and only ONE above ALL.Let THY will be done not my/your

> > will.Certainly there is no scope for that.(our will)......Rest the

> less

> > said the better....

> > gopi.

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > >

> > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//

> > >

> > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but

> You

> > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell

> you

> > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS

> > BCOZ

> > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL

> > PROPER

> > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...

> > >

> > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me

> to

> > be

> > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or

> > Helen,

> > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography

> and

> > > making you read the same, to impress you..

> > >

> > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//

> > >

> > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But

> even

> > a

> > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other

> > regional

> > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National

> language

> > > in action with a regional language like telugu.

> > >

> > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this

> > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments

> over

> > > here...

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.

> > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so

> how

> > > am

> > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//

> > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to

> know

> > > > hindi?...

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect

> a

> > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know

> > > > telugu

> > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you

> > > understand

> > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said

> > > > before

> > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have

> > > assumed

> > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he

> must

> > > know

> > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born

> ???

> > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is

> > to

> > > > give

> > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did

> > my

> > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South

> > for

> > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 " s. He was asked to look

> > > after

> > > > a

> > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but

> > that

> > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood

> brought

> > up

> > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my

> > Birth

> > > I

> > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected

> to

> > > > know

> > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till

> teenaage

> > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn

> > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I

> > expected

> > > to

> > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was

> done

> > in

> > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,

> > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a

> > > > Marathi.

> > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear

> Gopiji,

> > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your

> assuming

> > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born

> > man

> > > > to

> > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can

> you

> > > > > assume

> > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical

> > > problem

> > > > > of

> > > > > > members atleast now!!!

> > > > > > The translation goes like this..

> > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own

> > > > > shoulders

> > > > > > is a telugu proverb....

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You assume too many things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a

> > > child..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please

> > > > translate

> > > > > > > what you have written to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant

> > for

> > > > you

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)

> > alone.....

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Boss,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.

> Rest

> > > are

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a

> > > > National

> > > > > > > > Language

> > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly

> > > > translate

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in

> English

> > or

> > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > is better understood ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,

> > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let

> me

> > > also

> > > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise

> > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala

> > > > > > > donga

> > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being

> > good

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or

> > > persons,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit

> > > Astrology "

> > > > > in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other

> > Groups.

> > > If

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am

> a

> > > > Lover

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than

> > many

> > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that

> much

> > > long

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and

> entirely

> > > > > agree.It

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in

> my

> > > life

> > > > > > > > specially

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I

> > > share

> > > > > > > > lagna/moon

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi

> > and

> > > a

> > > > > > > fanatic

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english

> > medium.Those

> > > > who

> > > > > > > > profess

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to

> > their

> > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > hindi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC

> > also

> > > > > > crashed

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious

> > > research

> > > > > > > student

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not

> about

> > > any

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that

> all

> > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body

> > and

> > > > > > > soul)But

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree

> may

> > > > > simply

> > > > > > > > ignore

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group

> > and

> > > > > words

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > shit

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On

> one

> > > > hand

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like

> > > this.It

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > hurts

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded

> > as

> > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i

> > believe

> > > > in

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali

> > language'

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about

> the

> > > > > language

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " sreesog "

> > > > > > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be

> > > compared

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the

> > > > history

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > vastness

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),

> > there

> > > is

> > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali

> > (an

> > > > > > > > indo-aryan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam

> and

> > > > > > > utteranchel

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > well),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes

> back

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > celtic

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with

> > > roots

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > southern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central

> > > > russia).

> > > > > > Once

> > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were

> being

> > > > used

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu,

> > > Tamil

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its

> > > > > > grammatical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary)

> > many

> > > > so

> > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should

> > be

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)

> > > > languages

> > > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia,

> > > > brahmi,

> > > > > > > > prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the

> > > fire

> > > > > > > > worshiper

> > > > > > > > > > > (vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship

> > > > > (tantric

> > > > > > > > cult)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > communication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various

> dialects

> > of

> > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of

> > > > Europe

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that

> -

> > > Any

> > > > > > > language

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they

> are

> > of

> > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > outside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same

> > > purpose

> > > > -

> > > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > serving

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.

> > > Religion

> > > > is

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > bound

> > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages

> and

> > > so

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > affection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the

> > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying

> something

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > 'Nepali

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit

> of

> > > > > > contempt.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound

> > familiar?

> > > > > Pali

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people

> > throughout

> > > > > india

> > > > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well

> > familiar

> > > > > local

> > > > > > > > > tongue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke

> this

> > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > Pali

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of

> > their

> > > > > > ancient

> > > > > > > > > > > > literature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to

> > which

> > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified

> pali;

> > > the

> > > > > 'New

> > > > > > > > > Pali').

> > > > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit

> > from

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we

> > > > dis-respect

> > > > > > > > 'Pali',

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we

> > > respect

> > > > > > Pali,

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of

> > the

> > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > Buddists

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that

> > > most

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri

> > > (7.53%),

> > > > > > Tharu

> > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),

> Magar

> > > > > (3.39%),

> > > > > > > > > Awadhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika

> > > > > (1.05%).

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you

> > > will

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here

> > names

> > > > such

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this

> man

> > > is

> > > > > > > > comparing

> > > > > > > > > > > telugu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too

> > > > > > > much!!!.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small

> > piece

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Land.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How

> > can

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > compare

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd

> > comparisons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films

> till

> > > date

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the other

> > was

> > > > > > " Shiva "

> > > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people

> > > watch

> > > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > > movies

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one.

> So

> > > > again

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal

> > > > > > > > > functionabilities

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our

> > > > Kundlis

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian

> > > > > speaking

> > > > > > > > > Pundits

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is

> a

> > > very

> > > > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes

> one

> > > > wishes

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have

> > > come,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,

> > > French,

> > > > > > > marathi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear chandu 2 Chill,

 

This was a good one. A new revelation of the word " Assume " of which I

had " assumed " there was only one shade. Now you have given a new meaning

to the same word...

 

And this meaning cannot be forgotten once learnt in this Life time..

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " CP "

<nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

>

> Respected Shri Bhaskar Ji, Shri Gopi Ji,

>

> Forgive me for butting-in i could not resist after observing and

reading this thread!...

>

> But would like to share something about ASSUMING and the Word *ASSUME*

(nothing personal here i am sharing what happened and what happens on a

daily basis between our Sales Team and Support team...)

>

> Me being a sales guy and my other colegues normally commits many

things to our customer(s) despite knowing that we'll not be able to

honor those commitments like telling my customer fine sir we will do

that our Engineer will visit your office surely and fix the problem etc

etc...

>

> Then comes the arguments and fights with our Support team:-):-) One

day discussion was going on, One saying to another How do U Assume? and

how come you gave commitment to the client?

>

> At this point my senior Manager intervened and in the meeting and

> wrote:

>

> ASS|U|ME

>

> And said this is WHAT happens when we ASSUME....

>

> Hope i need not to explain more.....:-)

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > // I know this is what you want //

> >

> > Sir my repeatedly giving you friendly and good advices as a well

wisher

> > is falling on deaf ears, unfortunately and going in vain.

> >

> > You are again assuming that You KNOW, and again assuming what I

WANT.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna "

> > <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > >

> > > there is no scope for you to put any arguments over here...//

> > > I know this is what you want.But one thing you are not the

judge.There

> > > is ONE and only ONE above ALL.Let THY will be done not my/your

> > > will.Certainly there is no scope for that.(our will)......Rest the

> > less

> > > said the better....

> > > gopi.

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//

> > > >

> > > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions,

but

> > You

> > > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I

tell

> > you

> > > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR

INTERESTS

> > > BCOZ

> > > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL

> > > PROPER

> > > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...

> > > >

> > > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think

me

> > to

> > > be

> > > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi

or

> > > Helen,

> > > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my

autobiography

> > and

> > > > making you read the same, to impress you..

> > > >

> > > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//

> > > >

> > > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But

> > even

> > > a

> > > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other

> > > regional

> > > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National

> > language

> > > > in action with a regional language like telugu.

> > > >

> > > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave

this

> > > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any

arguments

> > over

> > > > here...

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.

> > > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay,

so

> > how

> > > > am

> > > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//

> > > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to

> > know

> > > > > hindi?...

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i

expect

> > a

> > > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont

know

> > > > > telugu

> > > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you

> > > > understand

> > > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I

said

> > > > > before

> > > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you

have

> > > > assumed

> > > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he

> > must

> > > > know

> > > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu

born

> > ???

> > > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady

who is

> > > to

> > > > > give

> > > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So

did

> > > my

> > > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to

South

> > > for

> > > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 " s. He was asked to

look

> > > > after

> > > > > a

> > > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there,

but

> > > that

> > > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood

> > brought

> > > up

> > > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after

my

> > > Birth

> > > > I

> > > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I

expected

> > to

> > > > > know

> > > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till

> > teenaage

> > > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to

learn

> > > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I

> > > expected

> > > > to

> > > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was

> > done

> > > in

> > > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in

Bombay,

> > > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me

a

> > > > > Marathi.

> > > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear

> > Gopiji,

> > > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your

> > assuming

> > > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu

born

> > > man

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how

can

> > you

> > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand

practical

> > > > problem

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > members atleast now!!!

> > > > > > > The translation goes like this..

> > > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his

own

> > > > > > shoulders

> > > > > > > is a telugu proverb....

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You assume too many things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as

a

> > > > child..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to

please

> > > > > translate

> > > > > > > > what you have written to me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is

meant

> > > for

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)

> > > alone.....

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > ,

" Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Boss,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.

> > Rest

> > > > are

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of

a

> > > > > National

> > > > > > > > > Language

> > > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you

kindly

> > > > > translate

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in

> > English

> > > or

> > > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > is better understood ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,

> > > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language

let

> > me

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise

> > > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala

> > > > > > > > donga

> > > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....//

Being

> > > good

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or

> > > > persons,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit

> > > > Astrology "

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other

> > > Groups.

> > > > If

> > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same.

I am

> > a

> > > > > Lover

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better

than

> > > many

> > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that

> > much

> > > > long

> > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and

> > entirely

> > > > > > agree.It

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things

in

> > my

> > > > life

> > > > > > > > > specially

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours

too).I

> > > > share

> > > > > > > > > lagna/moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect

hindi

> > > and

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > fanatic

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english

> > > medium.Those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > profess

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk

to

> > > their

> > > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > hindi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my

PC

> > > also

> > > > > > > crashed

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a

sincere/serious

> > > > research

> > > > > > > > student

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not

> > about

> > > > any

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all

that

> > all

> > > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in

body

> > > and

> > > > > > > > soul)But

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not

agree

> > may

> > > > > > simply

> > > > > > > > > ignore

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the

group

> > > and

> > > > > > words

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > shit

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives

pain.On

> > one

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk

like

> > > > this.It

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > hurts

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and

branded

> > > as

> > > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i

> > > believe

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali

> > > language'

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not

about

> > the

> > > > > > language

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > > > " sreesog "

> > > > > > > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be

> > > > compared

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though

the

> > > > > history

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > vastness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will

differ),

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with

napali

> > > (an

> > > > > > > > > indo-aryan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal,

assam

> > and

> > > > > > > > utteranchel

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes

> > back

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > celtic

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages

with

> > > > roots

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > southern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of

central

> > > > > russia).

> > > > > > > Once

> > > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were

> > being

> > > > > used

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit,

Telungu,

> > > > Tamil

> > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to

its

> > > > > > > grammatical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words

(vocabulary)

> > > many

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada

should

> > > be

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it

indo-tantric?)

> > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central

russia,

> > > > > brahmi,

> > > > > > > > > prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both

the

> > > > fire

> > > > > > > > > worshiper

> > > > > > > > > > > > (vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol

worship

> > > > > > (tantric

> > > > > > > > > cult)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used

Prakrit

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > communication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various

> > dialects

> > > of

> > > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the

whole of

> > > > > Europe

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is

that

> > -

> > > > Any

> > > > > > > > language

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether

they

> > are

> > > of

> > > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > outside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the

same

> > > > purpose

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > > serving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.

> > > > Religion

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > bound

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is

languages

> > and

> > > > so

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > affection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in

the

> > > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying

> > something

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > 'Nepali

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a

bit

> > of

> > > > > > > contempt.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound

> > > familiar?

> > > > > > Pali

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people

> > > throughout

> > > > > > india

> > > > > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well

> > > familiar

> > > > > > local

> > > > > > > > > > tongue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke

> > this

> > > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > > Pali

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most

of

> > > their

> > > > > > > ancient

> > > > > > > > > > > > > literature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language

to

> > > which

> > > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified

> > pali;

> > > > the

> > > > > > 'New

> > > > > > > > > > Pali').

> > > > > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect

Prakrit

> > > from

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we

> > > > > dis-respect

> > > > > > > > > 'Pali',

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If

we

> > > > respect

> > > > > > > Pali,

> > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the

language of

> > > the

> > > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > > Buddists

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident

that

> > > > most

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri

> > > > (7.53%),

> > > > > > > Tharu

> > > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),

> > Magar

> > > > > > (3.39%),

> > > > > > > > > > Awadhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and

Bajjika

> > > > > > (1.05%).

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least

you

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you

here

> > > names

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh

this

> > man

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > comparing

> > > > > > > > > > > > telugu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is

too

> > > > > > > > much!!!.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a

small

> > > piece

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Land.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language.

How

> > > can

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > compare

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd

> > > comparisons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films

> > till

> > > > date

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the

other

> > > was

> > > > > > > " Shiva "

> > > > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu

people

> > > > watch

> > > > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > > > movies

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu

one.

> > So

> > > > > again

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the

intestinal

> > > > > > > > > > functionabilities

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp

down.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show

our

> > > > > Kundlis

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South

Indian

> > > > > > speaking

> > > > > > > > > > Pundits

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation

is

> > a

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along.

Sometimes

> > one

> > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts

have

> > > > come,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting

Nepali,

> > > > French,

> > > > > > > > marathi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Chandu ji,good one i enjoyed it....gopi. , "CP" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> > Respected Shri Bhaskar Ji, Shri Gopi Ji,> > Forgive me for butting-in i could not resist after observing and reading this thread!...> > But would like to share something about ASSUMING and the Word *ASSUME* (nothing personal here i am sharing what happened and what happens on a daily basis between our Sales Team and Support team...)> > Me being a sales guy and my other colegues normally commits many things to our customer(s) despite knowing that we'll not be able to honor those commitments like telling my customer fine sir we will do that our Engineer will visit your office surely and fix the problem etc etc... > > Then comes the arguments and fights with our Support team:-):-) One day discussion was going on, One saying to another How do U Assume? and how come you gave commitment to the client?> > At this point my senior Manager intervened and in the meeting and> wrote:> > ASS|U|ME> > And said this is WHAT happens when we ASSUME....> > Hope i need not to explain more.....:-)> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > // I know this is what you want //> > > > Sir my repeatedly giving you friendly and good advices as a well wisher> > is falling on deaf ears, unfortunately and going in vain.> > > > You are again assuming that You KNOW, and again assuming what I WANT.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > >> > > there is no scope for you to put any arguments over here...//> > > I know this is what you want.But one thing you are not the judge.There> > > is ONE and only ONE above ALL.Let THY will be done not my/your> > > will.Certainly there is no scope for that.(our will)......Rest the> > less> > > said the better....> > > gopi.> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > >> > > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//> > > >> > > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but> > You> > > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell> > you> > > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS> > > BCOZ> > > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL> > > PROPER> > > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...> > > >> > > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me> > to> > > be> > > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or> > > Helen,> > > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography> > and> > > > making you read the same, to impress you..> > > >> > > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//> > > >> > > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But> > even> > > a> > > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other> > > regional> > > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National> > language> > > > in action with a regional language like telugu.> > > >> > > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this> > > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments> > over> > > > here...> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.> > > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so> > how> > > > am> > > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//> > > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to> > know> > > > > hindi?...> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect> > a> > > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know> > > > > telugu> > > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you> > > > understand> > > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said> > > > > before> > > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have> > > > assumed> > > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he> > must> > > > know> > > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born> > ???> > > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is> > > to> > > > > give> > > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did> > > my> > > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South> > > for> > > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look> > > > after> > > > > a> > > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but> > > that> > > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood> > brought> > > up> > > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my> > > Birth> > > > I> > > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected> > to> > > > > know> > > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till> > teenaage> > > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn> > > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I> > > expected> > > > to> > > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was> > done> > > in> > > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,> > > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a> > > > > Marathi.> > > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear> > Gopiji,> > > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your> > assuming> > > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born> > > man> > > > > to> > > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can> > you> > > > > > assume> > > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical> > > > problem> > > > > > of> > > > > > > members atleast now!!!> > > > > > > The translation goes like this..> > > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own> > > > > > shoulders> > > > > > > is a telugu proverb....> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You assume too many things.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a> > > > child..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please> > > > > translate> > > > > > > > what you have written to me.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant> > > for> > > > > you> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)> > > alone.....> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.> > Rest> > > > are> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > using> > > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a> > > > > National> > > > > > > > > Language> > > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly> > > > > translate> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in> > English> > > or> > > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > is better understood ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let> > me> > > > also> > > > > > > > respond> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise> > > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > > > > > > donga> > > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it> > is> > > > not> > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being> > > good> > > > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or> > > > persons,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit> > > > Astrology"> > > > > > in> > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other> > > Groups.> > > > If> > > > > > You> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am> > a> > > > > Lover> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than> > > many> > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that> > much> > > > long> > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and> > entirely> > > > > > agree.It> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in> > my> > > > life> > > > > > > > > specially> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I> > > > share> > > > > > > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi> > > and> > > > a> > > > > > > > fanatic> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english> > > medium.Those> > > > > who> > > > > > > > > profess> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to> > > their> > > > > > > children> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC> > > also> > > > > > > crashed> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious> > > > research> > > > > > > > student> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not> > about> > > > any> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that> > all> > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body> > > and> > > > > > > > soul)But> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree> > may> > > > > > simply> > > > > > > > > ignore> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group> > > and> > > > > > words> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > shit> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On> > one> > > > > hand> > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like> > > > this.It> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > hurts> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded> > > as> > > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i> > > believe> > > > > in> > > > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali> > > language'> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about> > the> > > > > > language> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "sreesog"> > > > > > > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be> > > > compared> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the> > > > > history> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),> > > there> > > > is> > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali> > > (an> > > > > > > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam> > and> > > > > > > > utteranchel> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes> > back> > > to> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > celtic> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with> > > > roots> > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central> > > > > russia).> > > > > > > Once> > > > > > > > > > upon> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were> > being> > > > > used> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > write> > > > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu,> > > > Tamil> > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > Even> > > > > > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its> > > > > > > grammatical> > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary)> > > many> > > > > so> > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should> > > be> > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)> > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia,> > > > > brahmi,> > > > > > > > > prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the> > > > fire> > > > > > > > > worshiper> > > > > > > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship> > > > > > (tantric> > > > > > > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit> > as> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various> > dialects> > > of> > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of> > > > > Europe> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that> > -> > > > Any> > > > > > > > language> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they> > are> > > of> > > > > > > inside> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same> > > > purpose> > > > > -> > > > > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.> > > > Religion> > > > > is> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages> > and> > > > so> > > > > is> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the> > > world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying> > something> > > > > about> > > > > > > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit> > of> > > > > > > contempt.> > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound> > > familiar?> > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people> > > throughout> > > > > > india> > > > > > > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well> > > familiar> > > > > > local> > > > > > > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke> > this> > > > > > > language.> > > > > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of> > > their> > > > > > > ancient> > > > > > > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to> > > which> > > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified> > pali;> > > > the> > > > > > 'New> > > > > > > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit> > > from> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we> > > > > dis-respect> > > > > > > > > 'Pali',> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we> > > > respect> > > > > > > Pali,> > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of> > > the> > > > > > > modern> > > > > > > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that> > > > most> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri> > > > (7.53%),> > > > > > > Tharu> > > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),> > Magar> > > > > > (3.39%),> > > > > > > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika> > > > > > (1.05%).> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you> > > > will> > > > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here> > > names> > > > > such> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this> > man> > > > is> > > > > > > > > comparing> > > > > > > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> > > > > > > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > ,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small> > > piece> > > > > of> > > > > > > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How> > > can> > > > > you> > > > > > > > > compare> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd> > > comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films> > till> > > > date> > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other> > > was> > > > > > > "Shiva"> > > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people> > > > watch> > > > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > > > movies> > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one.> > So> > > > > again> > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > > > > > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our> > > > > Kundlis> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian> > > > > > speaking> > > > > > > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is> > a> > > > very> > > > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes> > one> > > > > wishes> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > express> > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have> > > > come,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,> > > > French,> > > > > > > > marathi,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Gopi ji, Please don't take my mail that much serious or personal. I was just using it as a tool to share some info, all references just incidental, pure chance. Actually I usually make it a choice/chance to USE any mail or event in the group as a TOOL to share extra info - you can say that 'it is my style'. So actually my focus won't be in the incident/context but on the extra info I want to share. I was just "Using that situation, to share some thing extra with all" - please know it clearly. Thus in reality there is NOTHING against you in that mail, that was NOT my intention. But being too clever I use almost everything that come across, and on that day, by chance it happened to be your mail - that is all to it. Let us just forget the mail, absorb any useful info present in it (if any) and let us move on... Note: Let every situation, chance, event become a tool among us to share info, to enrich each others knowledge and understanding... Let Saraswaty (as wisdom) be present in every moment.... Let Krishna (as love) be present in every moment... Let Siva (as peace) be present in every moment... But as you could see as a common thread they (all these Bbagavans) are all too clever/chalak (Ush! Hindi!)!!! Love and Hugs,Sreenadh , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much long post since i> > already know what all you have written and entirely agree.It is only a> > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my life specially> > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I share lagna/moon with> > few of you people in this group and i love it.> A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi and a fanatic of> > English!!!I have never studied in english medium.Those who profess> > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to their children in hindi> > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC also crashed and i was> > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious research student of> > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about any other thing> > including language issue.> I want to make my stand clear once for all that all languages are same> > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body and soul)But not in> > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may simply ignore> > because no two minds are same.> Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group and words like shit> > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one hand we talk about> > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like this.It also hurts to> > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded as fanatic!!.The> > rules of the game should be same for all and i believe in that.> //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali language' which you> > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> If at all any contempt is there it is not about the language but about> > the concerned person....> Love and regards,> gopi.> , "sreesog" sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Gopi ji,> > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be compared with any other> > language anywhere in the world (even though the history and vastness> of> > literature of various languages will differ), there is nothing wrong> in> > it.> > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali (an indo-aryan> > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and utteranchel as> well),> > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back to the celtic vedic> > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with roots both in> southern> > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central russia). Once upon a> time> > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being used to write many> > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu, Tamil etc. Even> though> > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its grammatical> > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary) many so called> dravidian> > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should be better called> > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?) languages itself. There> > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia, brahmi, prakrit etc> are> > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the fire worshiper (vedic> > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship (tantric cult)> > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as the communication> > medium and also that the span of various dialects of Prakrit is not> > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of Europe as well.> > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that - Any language can> be> > compare with any other language (whether they are of inside or outside> > of india), because all of them serve the same purpose - i.e. serving> as> > a communication medium between human beings. Religion is is not bound> by> > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and so is the affection> > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the world.> > Note:> > On writing this much, I felt like saying something about 'Nepali> > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. The word> > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound familiar? Pali is a Prakrit> > variant language spoken in host of people throughout india especially> > during the period of Buddha. It was a well familiar local tongue.> > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this language. Pali is a> > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of their ancient> literature> > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to which 'Ne-Pali' is> > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali; the 'New Pali'). If> we> > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit from which Sanskrit> > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we dis-respect 'Pali', a> > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we respect Pali, how can> we> > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of the modern Buddists> and> > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that most of the languages> > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri (7.53%), Tharu (5.86%),> > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar (3.39%), Awadhi> > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika (1.05%). - are mostly> > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you will remember (or> > something will resonate in you) when you here names such as Maithili,> > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh

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Dear Friends, This conversation does not seem to be going in the right direction! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not about the> language but about the concerned person....// Being good astrologers> one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons, but for their> ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit Astrology" in my> history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If You are> referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a Lover and> saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many here. best> wishes, Bhaskar.

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Dear Gopi ji and all, //Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise vuntundi,gummadikayala donga> avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...// I didn't understood a thing! Can somebody translate please! Love and Hugs to all,Sreenadh , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar garu,> almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me also respond in> my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise vuntundi,gummadikayala donga> avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> gopi.

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

This conversation has already ended, with Shri Gopiji promising me one

lunch when I visit his place wherever and whenever, which he did promise

albeit reluctantly, but am sure would oblige with a smile for a short

while, when the oppurtunity comes..

 

Love and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> This conversation does not seem to be going in the right direction!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is not about the

> > language but about the concerned person....// Being good astrologers

> > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or persons, but for

> their

> > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit Astrology " in my

> > history of exchanges in this Group or any other Groups. If You are

> > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a Lover and

> > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than many here. best

> > wishes, Bhaskar.

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji, //We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. // Marvari Language: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwari_language Can you please provide us with some info on this communities contribution to astrology please? Is there any astrological text that is available only in this language?Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect a> telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu> how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand> practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said before> and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have assumed> too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must know> Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ??? > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is to give> birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did my> Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South for> Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look after a> industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but that> does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought up> there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my Birth I> was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to know> Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage> years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn> language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I expected to> know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done in> South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,> maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a Marathi.> Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear Gopiji,> stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming> becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.

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Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji, Is it time to put you both reputed members of this group under moderation, I wonder! Note: Please keep-up with my running commentary.... I was absent for 3 days and is yet to read the remaining mails... Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//> > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but You> keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell you> this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS BCOZ> FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL PROPER> DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...> > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me to be> a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or Helen,> or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography and> making you read the same, to impress you..> > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//> > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But even a> small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other regional> languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National language> in action with a regional language like telugu.> > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this> discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments over> here...> > Bhaskar.

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Dear All, Is there any astrology in it? Please speak about "Telugu Born ASTROLOGY" please!!!Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a straight> man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating you my> Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your interestes> at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.> > It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a "Telugu> Born" and then decide whether I fall in that category.> > We are awaiting for your definitions on a "Telugu Born ".> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Gopi ji,> >> > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//> >> > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but You> > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell you> > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS> BCOZ> > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL> PROPER> > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...> >> > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me to> be> > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or> Helen,> > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography and> > making you read the same, to impress you..> >> > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//> >> > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But even> a> > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other> regional> > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National language> > in action with a regional language like telugu.> >> > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave this> > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments over> > here...> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.> > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how> > am> > > I expected to know Telugu ???//> > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to know> > > hindi?...> > > gopi.> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect a> > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know> > > telugu> > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you> > understand> > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said> > > before> > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have> > assumed> > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must> > know> > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ???> > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is> to> > > give> > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did> my> > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South> for> > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 "s. He was asked to look> > after> > > a> > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but> that> > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought> up> > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my> Birth> > I> > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to> > > know> > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage> > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn> > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I> expected> > to> > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done> in> > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,> > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a> > > Marathi.> > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear Gopiji,> > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming> > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu born> man> > > to> > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can you> > > > assume> > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical> > problem> > > > of> > > > > members atleast now!!!> > > > > The translation goes like this..> > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his own> > > > shoulders> > > > > is a telugu proverb....> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > You assume too many things.> > > > > >> > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a> > child..> > > > > >> > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.> > > > > >> > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.> > > > > >> > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam> > > > > >> > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber> > > > > >> > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.> > > > > >> > > > > > Alaage - Okay.> > > > > >> > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.> > > > > >> > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please> > > translate> > > > > > what you have written to me.> > > > > >> > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is meant> for> > > you> > > > > and> > > > > > i> > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)> alone.....> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language. Rest> > are> > > > all> > > > > > > using> > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a> > > National> > > > > > > Language> > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly> > > translate> > > > > what> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in English> or> > > > Hindi> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > is better understood ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,> > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let me> > also> > > > > > respond> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise> > > vuntundi,gummadikayala> > > > > > donga> > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it is> > not> > > > > about> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....// Being> good> > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or> > persons,> > > > but> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as "Shit> > Astrology"> > > > in> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other> Groups.> > If> > > > You> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I am a> > > Lover> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better than> many> > > > here.> > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that much> > long> > > > > post> > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and entirely> > > > agree.It> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in my> > life> > > > > > > specially> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours too).I> > share> > > > > > > lagna/moon> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.> > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect hindi> and> > a> > > > > > fanatic> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english> medium.Those> > > who> > > > > > > profess> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to> their> > > > > children> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > hindi> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC> also> > > > > crashed> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious> > research> > > > > > student> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not about> > any> > > > > other> > > > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.> > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that all> > > > > languages> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in body> and> > > > > > soul)But> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree may> > > > simply> > > > > > > ignore> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.> > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the group> and> > > > words> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > shit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On one> > > hand> > > > we> > > > > > > talk> > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like> > this.It> > > > also> > > > > > > hurts> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and branded> as> > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i> believe> > > in> > > > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali> language'> > > > which> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //> > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about the> > > > language> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "sreesog"> > > > > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be> > compared> > > > with> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though the> > > history> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > vastness> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),> there> > is> > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with napali> (an> > > > > > > indo-aryan> > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam and> > > > > > utteranchel> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > well),> > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes back> to> > > the> > > > > > > celtic> > > > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages with> > roots> > > > > both> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > southern> > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central> > > russia).> > > > > Once> > > > > > > > upon> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were being> > > used> > > > to> > > > > > > write> > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit, Telungu,> > Tamil> > > > > etc.> > > > > > > Even> > > > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to its> > > > > grammatical> > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words (vocabulary)> many> > > so> > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > dravidian> > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada should> be> > > > better> > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)> > > languages> > > > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central russia,> > > brahmi,> > > > > > > prakrit> > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both the> > fire> > > > > > > worshiper> > > > > > > > > > (vedic> > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol worship> > > > (tantric> > > > > > > cult)> > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit as> > the> > > > > > > > > communication> > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various dialects> of> > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole of> > > Europe> > > > as> > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is that -> > Any> > > > > > language> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they are> of> > > > > inside> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > outside> > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same> > purpose> > > -> > > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > > serving> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.> > Religion> > > is> > > > > is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > bound> > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages and> > so> > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > affection> > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the> world.> > > > > > > > > > > > Note:> > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying something> > > about> > > > > > > 'Nepali> > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a bit of> > > > > contempt.> > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > word> > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound> familiar?> > > > Pali> > > > > is> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > Prakrit> > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people> throughout> > > > india> > > > > > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well> familiar> > > > local> > > > > > > > tongue.> > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke this> > > > > language.> > > > > > > Pali> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of> their> > > > > ancient> > > > > > > > > > > literature> > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to> which> > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified pali;> > the> > > > 'New> > > > > > > > Pali').> > > > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit> from> > > > which> > > > > > > > Sanskrit> > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we> > > dis-respect> > > > > > > 'Pali',> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we> > respect> > > > > Pali,> > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language of> the> > > > > modern> > > > > > > > > Buddists> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident that> > most> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > languages> > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as> > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri> > (7.53%),> > > > > Tharu> > > > > > > > > (5.86%),> > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%), Magar> > > > (3.39%),> > > > > > > > Awadhi> > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and Bajjika> > > > (1.05%).> > > > > -> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least you> > will> > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > (or> > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here> names> > > such> > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > Maithili,> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man> > is> > > > > > > comparing> > > > > > > > > > telugu> > > > > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is too> > > > > > much!!!.....> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small> piece> > > of> > > > > > Land.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How> can> > > you> > > > > > > compare> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > ewith> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd> comparisons.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films till> > date> > > > > > because> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other> was> > > > > "Shiva"> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people> > watch> > > > > Hindi> > > > > > > > movies> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So> > > again> > > > > if> > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal> > > > > > > > functionabilities> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our> > > Kundlis> > > > as> > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian> > > > speaking> > > > > > > > Pundits> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation is a> > very> > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one> > > wishes> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > express> > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts have> > come,> > > > and> > > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,> > French,> > > > > > marathi,> > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

What is " Telugu Born " has not yet been defined...

 

and there is nothing like " Telugu born astrology " . Its just that those

who have learned astrology and knowing Telugu will write books in

Telugu, tahts all.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> Is there any astrology in it? Please speak about " Telugu Born

> ASTROLOGY " please!!!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji,

> >

> > My real name is Krishna, but I dont see you as a Gopi (I am a

straight

> > man and my preferences are straight) so no question of narrating you

> my

> > Autobiography and trying to impress you. I dont care for your

> interestes

> > at all, sorry to say this if you are mistaken about my interests.

> >

> > It was mentuoned so that you could give us a definition of a " Telugu

> > Born " and then decide whether I fall in that category.

> >

> > We are awaiting for your definitions on a " Telugu Born " .

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > >

> > > //> sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.//

> > >

> > > I have just advised you so many times not to make assumptions, but

> You

> > > keep on doing so like a small child. How many times should I tell

> you

> > > this, NOT TO ASSUME. I am NOT HERE TO CARESS YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS

> > BCOZ

> > > FOR ME U R NON EXISTENT EXCEPT FOR BEING A HAMPER IN THIS NORMAL

> > PROPER

> > > DISCUSSIONS GOING ON...

> > >

> > > The autobiography was not for you, but for the others who think me

> to

> > be

> > > a Pure Telugu South Indian. Got it ? C'mon You are not Sridevi or

> > Helen,

> > > or Katrina Kaif that I must spend time in writing my autobiography

> and

> > > making you read the same, to impress you..

> > >

> > > // how do you expect everybody to know hindi?...//

> > >

> > > I do not know how and from where you have come to existence. But

> even

> > a

> > > small village boy knows the difference between Hindi and other

> > regional

> > > languages.... You cannot compare Hindi the universal National

> language

> > > in action with a regional language like telugu.

> > >

> > > Do not try to justify something which is Not there. Just leave

this

> > > discussion please. there is no scope for you to put any arguments

> over

> > > here...

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > sorry i am not interested in your autobiography.

> > > > //after my Birth I was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so

> how

> > > am

> > > > I expected to know Telugu ???//

> > > > that's what i also say,likewise how do you expect everybody to

> know

> > > > hindi?...

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i

expect

> a

> > > > > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont

know

> > > > telugu

> > > > > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you

> > > understand

> > > > > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I

said

> > > > before

> > > > > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have

> > > assumed

> > > > > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he

> must

> > > know

> > > > > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born

> ???

> > > > > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who

is

> > to

> > > > give

> > > > > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So

did

> > my

> > > > > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to

South

> > for

> > > > > Professional purposes in the early 1900 " s. He was asked to

look

> > > after

> > > > a

> > > > > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there,

but

> > that

> > > > > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood

> brought

> > up

> > > > > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my

> > Birth

> > > I

> > > > > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I

expected

> to

> > > > know

> > > > > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till

> teenaage

> > > > > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to

learn

> > > > > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I

> > expected

> > > to

> > > > > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was

> done

> > in

> > > > > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in

Bombay,

> > > > > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a

> > > > Marathi.

> > > > > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear

> Gopiji,

> > > > > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your

> assuming

> > > > > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > whether i assume too many or too little i expect a telugu

born

> > man

> > > > to

> > > > > > know telugu which is natural.If you dont know telugu how can

> you

> > > > > assume

> > > > > > me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you understand practical

> > > problem

> > > > > of

> > > > > > members atleast now!!!

> > > > > > The translation goes like this..

> > > > > > when somebody in a group said thief,one person rubbed his

own

> > > > > shoulders

> > > > > > is a telugu proverb....

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You assume too many things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I really do not know Telugu. Just a few words learnt as a

> > > child..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Talapu - Close the door.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1-10 Digits - How to say them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nenu ninu premesthaanu - I Love You.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sigguledu - No sharam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ananga amaai donga undi - Beautiful girl is robber

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chaala baguundi - Very good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alaage - Okay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Telugu raada - dont know Telugu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know only that much telugu Sir. So request you to please

> > > > translate

> > > > > > > what you have written to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry,i am no boss since i have no followers.This is

meant

> > for

> > > > you

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > know you know what it is.Leave the rest(followers)

> > alone.....

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > ,

" Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Boss,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are the first one to have used his own language.

> Rest

> > > are

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > English or Hindi language over here which is sort of a

> > > > National

> > > > > > > > Language

> > > > > > > > > if one has qualms to consider it so. . Can you kindly

> > > > translate

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have written in your regional language, either in

> English

> > or

> > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > is better understood ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar garu,

> > > > > > > > > > almost eerybody is talking in their own language let

> me

> > > also

> > > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > my own.Telugulo oka sameta meeku telise

> > > > vuntundi,gummadikayala

> > > > > > > donga

> > > > > > > > > > avaru ante bujalu tadumukonnadu okadu!!...

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, //If at all any contempt is there it

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > language but about the concerned person....//

Being

> > good

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > one should not harbor any contempt for humans or

> > > persons,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > ideologies. I have never used any word as " Shit

> > > Astrology "

> > > > > in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > history of exchanges in this Group or any other

> > Groups.

> > > If

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > referring to me then kindly point out the same. I

am

> a

> > > > Lover

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > saviour of Hindi, and can speak it much better

than

> > many

> > > > > here.

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > wishes, Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > well,well you too!!You dont have to write that

> much

> > > long

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > already know what all you have written and

> entirely

> > > > > agree.It

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding and i am used to such things in

> my

> > > life

> > > > > > > > specially

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > during 3rd L debilitation in transit(yours

too).I

> > > share

> > > > > > > > lagna/moon

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > few of you people in this group and i love it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > A misunderstanding that i dont like/respect

hindi

> > and

> > > a

> > > > > > > fanatic

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > English!!!I have never studied in english

> > medium.Those

> > > > who

> > > > > > > > profess

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > themselves as saviours of hindi can not talk to

> > their

> > > > > > children

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > hindi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a fact i know.Due to mars' debilitation my PC

> > also

> > > > > > crashed

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > off line for aweek or so.I am a sincere/serious

> > > research

> > > > > > > student

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology and i discuss astrology only and not

> about

> > > any

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > including language issue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I want to make my stand clear once for all that

> all

> > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > including sanskrit and all humans are same(in

body

> > and

> > > > > > > soul)But

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > mind which is the culprit.Those who do not agree

> may

> > > > > simply

> > > > > > > > ignore

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > because no two minds are same.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of late it is increasingly unpleasant in the

group

> > and

> > > > > words

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > shit

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology are being repeated which gives pain.On

> one

> > > > hand

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient sages etc and on the other we talk like

> > > this.It

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > hurts

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > be singled out just for speaking truth and

branded

> > as

> > > > > > > > > fanatic!!.The

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rules of the game should be same for all and i

> > believe

> > > > in

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > //I felt like saying something about 'Nepali

> > language'

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned may be with a bit of contempt. //

> > > > > > > > > > > > If at all any contempt is there it is not about

> the

> > > > > language

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the concerned person....

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " sreesog "

> > > > > > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't be fanatic! Any language can be

> > > compared

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language anywhere in the world (even though

the

> > > > history

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > vastness

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > literature of various languages will differ),

> > there

> > > is

> > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is wrong with comparing telungu with

napali

> > (an

> > > > > > > > indo-aryan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language; it is widely spoken in bangal, assam

> and

> > > > > > > utteranchel

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > well),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fench (an indo-europian language; roots goes

> back

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > celtic

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > culture) with Telugu (a dravidian languages

with

> > > roots

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > southern

> > > > > > > > > > > > > india and the great kamboja kingdom of central

> > > > russia).

> > > > > > Once

> > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (BC 400 and before) Brahmi inscriptions were

> being

> > > > used

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > languages we know now such as Sanskrit,

Telungu,

> > > Tamil

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > popularly known as dravidian language (do to

its

> > > > > > grammatical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > similarity), considering the words

(vocabulary)

> > many

> > > > so

> > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > dravidian

> > > > > > > > > > > > > languages like Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada

should

> > be

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit or indo-aryan (or is it indo-tantric?)

> > > > languages

> > > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with siva/jaina cult, central

russia,

> > > > brahmi,

> > > > > > > > prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unmistakable. Let us also remember that both

the

> > > fire

> > > > > > > > worshiper

> > > > > > > > > > > (vedic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cult) originated in Siberia and the idol

worship

> > > > > (tantric

> > > > > > > > cult)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > originated in central russia both used Prakrit

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > communication

> > > > > > > > > > > > > medium and also that the span of various

> dialects

> > of

> > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > limited Asia and spans out to cover the whole

of

> > > > Europe

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I want to repeat and emphasis is

that

> -

> > > Any

> > > > > > > language

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > compare with any other language (whether they

> are

> > of

> > > > > > inside

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > outside

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of india), because all of them serve the same

> > > purpose

> > > > -

> > > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > serving

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a communication medium between human beings.

> > > Religion

> > > > is

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > bound

> > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > imaginary national boundaries, so is languages

> and

> > > so

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > affection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for other fellow human beings anywhere in the

> > world.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Note:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On writing this much, I felt like saying

> something

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > 'Nepali

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language' which you mentioned may be with a

bit

> of

> > > > > > contempt.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nepali' can be broken as 'Ne-Pali'. Sound

> > familiar?

> > > > > Pali

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > variant language spoken in host of people

> > throughout

> > > > > india

> > > > > > > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > during the period of Buddha. It was a well

> > familiar

> > > > > local

> > > > > > > > > tongue.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Janaka, Buddha, Kapila and many others spoke

> this

> > > > > > language.

> > > > > > > > Pali

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > language well reputed by Buddhists and most of

> > their

> > > > > > ancient

> > > > > > > > > > > > literature

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is in Pali. It is one of the major language to

> > which

> > > > > > > 'Ne-Pali'

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indebted to. Nava-Pali is Ne-Pali (modified

> pali;

> > > the

> > > > > 'New

> > > > > > > > > Pali').

> > > > > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > respect Sanskrit how can be disrespect Prakrit

> > from

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > originated? If we respect Prakrit how can we

> > > > dis-respect

> > > > > > > > 'Pali',

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variant, the language of Buddha? If we

> > > respect

> > > > > > Pali,

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dis-respect 'Ne-Pali' (new-pali) the language

of

> > the

> > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > > > Buddists

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the inhabitants of Nepal? Is it not evident

that

> > > most

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > languages

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spoken by people of Nepal - such as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nepali (48.61%), Maithili (12.30%), Bhojpuri

> > > (7.53%),

> > > > > > Tharu

> > > > > > > > > > (5.86%),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamang (5.19%), Newari/Nepal Bhasa (3.63%),

> Magar

> > > > > (3.39%),

> > > > > > > > > Awadhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (2.47%), Rai (2.79%), Limbu (1.47%), and

Bajjika

> > > > > (1.05%).

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrit variants? I am certain that at least

you

> > > will

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > something will resonate in you) when you here

> > names

> > > > such

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > Maithili,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhojpuri, Awadhi etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this

> man

> > > is

> > > > > > > > comparing

> > > > > > > > > > > telugu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian language with nepali ,french etc is

too

> > > > > > > much!!!.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not try to compare the sky with a small

> > piece

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Land.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language.

How

> > can

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > compare

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ewith

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regional languages ? This is absurd

> > comparisons.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have watched only 3 South indian films

> till

> > > date

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the language.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the

other

> > was

> > > > > > " Shiva "

> > > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even a kid knows that all Telugu

people

> > > watch

> > > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > > > movies

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu

one.

> So

> > > > again

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to digest theres a problem in the

intestinal

> > > > > > > > > functionabilities

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the food you are trying to gulp down.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Pundits whom our anestors have show

our

> > > > Kundlis

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South

Indian

> > > > > speaking

> > > > > > > > > Pundits

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > English speaking. Right ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have accepted that exact translation

is

> a

> > > very

> > > > > > > > difficult

> > > > > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes

> one

> > > > wishes

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > express

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moods in the same language the thoughts

have

> > > come,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali,

> > > French,

> > > > > > > marathi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Malyalee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telugu over here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenad hji,

 

" Marwadis " are a Business class of people and contribute to Astrology by

helping towards income creations for astrologers, and not by writing

books on astrology.

 

Love and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> //We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. //

> Marvari Language: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwari_language

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwari_language>

> Can you please provide us with some info on this communities

> contribution to astrology please? Is there any astrological text that

is

> available only in this language?

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji, //whether i assume too many or too little i expect a

> > telugu born man to know telugu which is natural.If you dont know

> telugu

> > how can you assume me or everybody to know hindi?.Hope you

understand

> > practical problem of members atleast now!!!// Thats what I said

> before

> > and saying once again. You assume too much. even now you have

assumed

> > too much by presumptions that since a guy is Telugu born, he must

know

> > Telugu... First of all what is the definition of a Telugu born ???

> > About my birth - as with all normally and mosty, the lady who is to

> give

> > birth, goes to her Fathers place at time of her Delivery. So did my

> > Mother do. My Maternal Grandfather incidentally shifted to South for

> > Professional purposes in the early 1900 " s. He was asked to look

after

> a

> > industry set up by a Industrialist and so he settled there, but that

> > does not make him a Telugu. My mother was since childhood brought up

> > there till her marriage, BUT NOT ME. Two months or so after my Birth

I

> > was brought to my Fathers place at Bombay, so how am I expected to

> know

> > Telugu ??? I did visit my Uncles place in childhood till teenaage

> > years , every year for 15 days, but we did not go there to learn

> > language or take classes on same but to enjoy. So how am I expected

to

> > know Telugu ? My mother knows Telugu since her schooling was done in

> > South, and I know Marathi since my schooling was done in Bombay,

> > maharashtra. Neither does she become a Telugu and neither me a

> Marathi.

> > Got it ? We are Marwadis but speak Hindi at Home. So dear Gopiji,

> > stop assuming and presuming and become unassuming... your assuming

> > becomes amusing at times... best wishes, Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji and Gopi ji,//dont speak if I dont know.// Don't speak if there is no astrological content in the mail! I wonder whether I start speaking Telugu or Marvari - !@#@#$$$$$%%^ & & & & **()( - the languages I don't know!!! Ok- astro content: ! - represent the awe I have about astrology@ - represent the rate of people who is now into internet astrology.# - represent a way in which (with 9 cells) a numerical chakra can be written.$ - you know it! It represent the $ someone hope in wain to get from doing internet astrology. % - yap, some without much astrological knowledge assume that astro-prediction success/failure rate can be notated using this symbol. & - they call it 'ampersand'. I wonder what this 'amper' and 'sand' mean! Possibly this letter helps us to think whether the whole of astro-knowledge available today is the corrupted version of some good ancient astrological wisdom. * - yap, you got it astrology is based on stars some fools say!() - Everything told above can be put in brackets because at the end it is all just !@#@#$$$$$%%^ & & & & **()(

!!!Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > // If you are a straight man you dont have to have 2 names.//> > Again assumptions that those who have two names are not straight. So> many Actors have two names. Are they not straight ? Even Cheiro the> great palmist had two names. He was not straight ? Those who are not> straight with two names are those who hide this fact from the Public. I> do not. Go to face Book. Go to every Website I am affliated with and> tyou will find the mention of this fact.> > //Anyway if you are a straight man,i am a simple man aswell.My simple> definition is one who is/was born in a telugu language speaking land.As> simple as that....> gopi. //> > So You mean to say that all those who migrated to Bombay be it Parsis,> Gujaratis, Biharis, North indians, Bengalis, South Indians, their> children are all "Marathi's" ????> > Sir I told you do not argue with me. I know what I speak. And dont speak> if I dont know.> > Bhaskar.