Tradition v/s non tradition

March 29, 2010

Dear Sirs,

The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.

What message is being attempted to send across ?

What point is being tried to emphasised ?

Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos abhorrable.

Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other people

laughing.

Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have ever come

across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from our Indian

lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone through the

grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here writings, and

am aware of.

Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is not a

milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a representative of

the whole can.

While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree to the

statement " However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix very

well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner, which

apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I wholeheartedly agree

to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons like me,

who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I have been

doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have been

successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many of the

members have through my writings realised the value of the bhava Chalit,

nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which go a long

way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in Astrology.

We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every colour of

the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same with

Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure some

brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room. Till

bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

In , " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear ones,

> i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer from

another

> group which i find worthy.....

> //Dear Group,

>

> Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an

> ever

> increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to

turn

> away

> from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of

> course

> everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path

> they

> choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the

> grip of

> karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological

> influences that

> support either traditional or non-traditional views.

>

> First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which

signifies

> the

> vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda'

> (jyotish)

> as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart.

>

> This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru,

> religion,

> faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka

> (Jupiter), is

> weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will

> suffer in

> proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who

turns

> away

> from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, favoring

> more

> unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.

>

> Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and

speech.

> This

> house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house,

for

> instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a

strong

> compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury

> also needs

> to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc..

>

> The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of

> India's

> greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house

along

> with

> Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs

with

> Moon,

> gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

>

> As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services

via

> the

> internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also

> need to be

> considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic

> conjunction/aspect.

>

> Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in

> terms of

> astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional

> approach. This

> house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if well

> fortified

> and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition and

> favors

> moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally recognised

as

> different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for

> traditional

> wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of the

> two. No

> doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the non-traditional.

>

> I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the

> astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the

> other, or

> even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both

> traditional and

> non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the two

don't

> seem to

> mix very well.

>

> Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer

> Andrew Lynn,

> a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method

> and was,

> at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out strongly

> against

> traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from astrology

> altogether a

> couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply didn't

> work...to

> me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.

>

> Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for

some

> time,

> especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy

> days in

> the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but,

like

> the Sun,

> it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

>

> Best Wishes

> Mrs.Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>

> ===================//

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

>

March 29, 2010

Dear Sir,

You really are BHASKAR.-----d d trivedi--- On Mon, 29/3/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Tradition v/s non tradition Date: Monday, 29 March, 2010, 3:11 PM

Dear Sirs,The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.What message is being attempted to send across ?What point is being tried to emphasised ?Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos abhorrable.Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other peoplelaughing.Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have ever comeacross. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from our Indianlot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone through thegrind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here writings, andam aware of.Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is not amilestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a representative ofthe whole can.While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree to

thestatement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix verywell. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner, whichapparently she has, with full credit to her, then I wholeheartedly agreeto her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons like me,who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I have beendoing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have beensuccessful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many of themembers have through my writings realised the value of the bhava Chalit,nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which go a longway in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in Astrology.We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every colour ofthe spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same withAstrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure

somebrightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room. Tillbhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.best wishes,Bhaskar.In ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"<gopi_b927@. ..> wrote:>> Dear ones,> i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer fromanother> group which i find worthy.....> //Dear Group,>> Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an> ever> increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers toturn> away> from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of> course> everyone, as dictated by their karma, is

free to follow whatever path> they> choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us are free from the> grip of> karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological> influences that> support either traditional or non-traditional views.>> First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma whichsignifies> the> vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda'> (jyotish)> as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart.>> This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru,> religion,> faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka> (Jupiter), is> weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will> suffer in> proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone whoturns> away> from

traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, favoring> more> unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.>> Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning andspeech.> This> house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house,for> instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with astrong> compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury> also needs> to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc..>> The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of> India's> greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this housealong> with> Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signswith> Moon,> gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.>> As so many

astrologers today communicate and/or offer their servicesvia> the> internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also> need to be> considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> conjunction/ aspect.>> Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in> terms of> astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional> approach. This> house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if well> fortified> and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition and> favors> moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally recognisedas> different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for> traditional> wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of the> two. No> doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis

towards the non-traditional.>> I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the> astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the> other, or> even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both> traditional and> non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the twodon't> seem to> mix very well.>> Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer> Andrew Lynn,> a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method> and was,> at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out strongly> against> traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from astrology> altogether a> couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply didn't> work...to> me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun

doesn't shine.>> Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds forsome> time,> especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy> days in> the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but,like> the Sun,> it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...>> Best Wishes> Mrs.Wendy> http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> ============ =======//> Love and regards,> gopi.>

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March 30, 2010

Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji, Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding that mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Sirs,> > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos abhorrable.> Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other people> laughing.> > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have ever come> across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from our Indian> lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone through the> grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here writings, and> am aware of.> > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is not a> milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a representative of> the whole can.> > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree to the> statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix very> well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner, which> apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I wholeheartedly agree> to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons like me,> who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I have been> doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have been> successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many of the> members have through my writings realised the value of the bhava Chalit,> nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which go a long> way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in Astrology.> > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every colour of> the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same with> Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure some> brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room. Till> bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > In , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear ones,> > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer from> another> > group which i find worthy.....> > //Dear Group,> >> > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be an> > ever> > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to> turn> > away> > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of> > course> > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever path> > they> > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the> > grip of> > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological> > influences that> > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> >> > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which> signifies> > the> > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the veda'> > (jyotish)> > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart.> >> > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru,> > religion,> > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka> > (Jupiter), is> > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will> > suffer in> > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who> turns> > away> > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish, favoring> > more> > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> >> > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and> speech.> > This> > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house,> for> > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a> strong> > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury> > also needs> > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc..> >> > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of> > India's> > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house> along> > with> > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs> with> > Moon,> > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> >> > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services> via> > the> > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars) also> > need to be> > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > conjunction/aspect.> >> > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in> > terms of> > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional> > approach. This> > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if well> > fortified> > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition and> > favors> > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally recognised> as> > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for> > traditional> > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of the> > two. No> > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the non-traditional.> >> > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing the> > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or the> > other, or> > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both> > traditional and> > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the two> don't> > seem to> > mix very well.> >> > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer> > Andrew Lynn,> > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP method> > and was,> > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out strongly> > against> > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from astrology> > altogether a> > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply didn't> > work...to> > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> >> > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for> some> > time,> > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be cloudy> > days in> > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but,> like> > the Sun,> > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> >> > Best Wishes> > Mrs.Wendy> > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>> > ===================//> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> >>

March 30, 2010

Dear Sreenadh ji,thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had any purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning.I just felt it is a good post to be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/depreciation since those thoughts are not mine in that post......Love and regards,gopi. , "sreesog" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding that> mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sirs,> >> > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> >> > What message is being attempted to send across ?> >> > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> >> > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos abhorrable.> > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other people> > laughing.> >> > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have ever come> > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from our> Indian> > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> >> > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone through> the> > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here writings,> and> > am aware of.> >> > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is not a> > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a representative of> > the whole can.> >> > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree to the> > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix very> > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner, which> > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I wholeheartedly> agree> > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons like me,> > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I have been> > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have been> > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many of the> > members have through my writings realised the value of the bhava> Chalit,> > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which go a> long> > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in> Astrology.> >> > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every colour> of> > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same with> > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure some> > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room. Till> > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> >> > best wishes,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > In , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear ones,> > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer from> > another> > > group which i find worthy.....> > > //Dear Group,> > >> > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to be> an> > > ever> > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers to> > turn> > > away> > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional approach. Of> > > course> > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever> path> > > they> > > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from the> > > grip of> > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological> > > influences that> > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > >> > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which> > signifies> > > the> > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the> veda'> > > (jyotish)> > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal chart.> > >> > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom, guru,> > > religion,> > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its karaka> > > (Jupiter), is> > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations will> > > suffer in> > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone who> > turns> > > away> > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish,> favoring> > > more> > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > >> > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and> > speech.> > > This> > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this house,> > for> > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a> > strong> > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech, Mercury> > > also needs> > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics etc..> > >> > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One of> > > India's> > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this house> > along> > > with> > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging signs> > with> > > Moon,> > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > >> > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their services> > via> > > the> > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars)> also> > > need to be> > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > conjunction/aspect.> > >> > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant in> > > terms of> > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the non-traditional> > > approach. This> > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if well> > > fortified> > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition and> > > favors> > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> recognised> > as> > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for> > > traditional> > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger of> the> > > two. No> > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> non-traditional.> > >> > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply showing> the> > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path or> the> > > other, or> > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both> > > traditional and> > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the two> > don't> > > seem to> > > mix very well.> > >> > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember astrologer> > > Andrew Lynn,> > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP> method> > > and was,> > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out> strongly> > > against> > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from astrology> > > altogether a> > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply> didn't> > > work...to> > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> > >> > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds for> > some> > > time,> > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be> cloudy> > > days in> > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy; but,> > like> > > the Sun,> > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > >> > > Best Wishes> > > Mrs.Wendy> > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>> > > ===================//> > > Love and regards,> > > gopi.> > >> >>

March 30, 2010

Dear Gopi ji,

That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even if

it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to this

group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and useful,

we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with our

friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice

post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too

does the same when ever I find a good message.

Love and hugs,

Sreenadh

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

> thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had any

> purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning.I just felt it is a good post

to

> be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/depreciation

since

> those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> , " sreesog " sreesog@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding

> that

> > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.

> > >

> > > What message is being attempted to send across ?

> > >

> > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > >

> > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos

> abhorrable.

> > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other people

> > > laughing.

> > >

> > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have ever

> come

> > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from our

> > Indian

> > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

> > >

> > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone

through

> > the

> > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here

writings,

> > and

> > > am aware of.

> > >

> > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is not a

> > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a representative

> of

> > > the whole can.

> > >

> > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree to

> the

> > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix

> very

> > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner, which

> > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I wholeheartedly

> > agree

> > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons like

> me,

> > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I have

> been

> > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have been

> > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many of

> the

> > > members have through my writings realised the value of the bhava

> > Chalit,

> > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which go

a

> > long

> > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in

> > Astrology.

> > >

> > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every

> colour

> > of

> > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same with

> > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure some

> > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room. Till

> > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > In , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear ones,

> > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer from

> > > another

> > > > group which i find worthy.....

> > > > //Dear Group,

> > > >

> > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to

be

> > an

> > > > ever

> > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers

to

> > > turn

> > > > away

> > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional

approach.

> Of

> > > > course

> > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever

> > path

> > > > they

> > > > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from

> the

> > > > grip of

> > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological

> > > > influences that

> > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.

> > > >

> > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which

> > > signifies

> > > > the

> > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the

> > veda'

> > > > (jyotish)

> > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal

chart.

> > > >

> > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,

guru,

> > > > religion,

> > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its

karaka

> > > > (Jupiter), is

> > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations

> will

> > > > suffer in

> > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone

who

> > > turns

> > > > away

> > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish,

> > favoring

> > > > more

> > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.

> > > >

> > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and

> > > speech.

> > > > This

> > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this

> house,

> > > for

> > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a

> > > strong

> > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech,

> Mercury

> > > > also needs

> > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics

> etc..

> > > >

> > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One

> of

> > > > India's

> > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this

house

> > > along

> > > > with

> > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging

> signs

> > > with

> > > > Moon,

> > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > >

> > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their

> services

> > > via

> > > > the

> > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars)

> > also

> > > > need to be

> > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic

> > > > conjunction/aspect.

> > > >

> > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant

> in

> > > > terms of

> > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the

non-traditional

> > > > approach. This

> > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if

> well

> > > > fortified

> > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition

> and

> > > > favors

> > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally

> > recognised

> > > as

> > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for

> > > > traditional

> > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger

of

> > the

> > > > two. No

> > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the

> > non-traditional.

> > > >

> > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply

showing

> > the

> > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path

or

> > the

> > > > other, or

> > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both

> > > > traditional and

> > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the

two

> > > don't

> > > > seem to

> > > > mix very well.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember

astrologer

> > > > Andrew Lynn,

> > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP

> > method

> > > > and was,

> > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out

> > strongly

> > > > against

> > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from

astrology

> > > > altogether a

> > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply

> > didn't

> > > > work...to

> > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.

> > > >

> > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds

> for

> > > some

> > > > time,

> > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be

> > cloudy

> > > > days in

> > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy;

but,

> > > like

> > > > the Sun,

> > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>

> > > > ===================//

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > gopi.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 30, 2010

Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....hugs and regards,gopi. , "sreesog" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even if> it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to this> group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and useful,> we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with our> friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice> post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too> does the same when ever I find a good message.> Love and hugs,> Sreenadh> > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had any> > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning.I just felt it is a good post> to> > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/depreciation> since> > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > , "sreesog" sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding> > that> > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sirs,> > > >> > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > > >> > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > >> > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > >> > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos> > abhorrable.> > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other people> > > > laughing.> > > >> > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have ever> > come> > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from our> > > Indian> > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > >> > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone> through> > > the> > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here> writings,> > > and> > > > am aware of.> > > >> > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is not a> > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a representative> > of> > > > the whole can.> > > >> > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree to> > the> > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to mix> > very> > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner, which> > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I wholeheartedly> > > agree> > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons like> > me,> > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I have> > been> > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have been> > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many of> > the> > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the bhava> > > Chalit,> > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which go> a> > > long> > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in> > > Astrology.> > > >> > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every> > colour> > > of> > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same with> > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure some> > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room. Till> > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer from> > > > another> > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > >> > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem to> be> > > an> > > > > ever> > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning astrologers> to> > > > turn> > > > > away> > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional> approach.> > Of> > > > > course> > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow whatever> > > path> > > > > they> > > > > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free from> > the> > > > > grip of> > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the astrological> > > > > influences that> > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > >> > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma which> > > > signifies> > > > > the> > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of the> > > veda'> > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal> chart.> > > > >> > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,> guru,> > > > > religion,> > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its> karaka> > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the significations> > will> > > > > suffer in> > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find someone> who> > > > turns> > > > > away> > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or jyotish,> > > favoring> > > > > more> > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > > > >> > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning and> > > > speech.> > > > > This> > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this> > house,> > > > for> > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone with a> > > > strong> > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech,> > Mercury> > > > > also needs> > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with malefics> > etc..> > > > >> > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house. One> > of> > > > > India's> > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this> house> > > > along> > > > > with> > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter), exchanging> > signs> > > > with> > > > > Moon,> > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > >> > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their> > services> > > > via> > > > > the> > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka (Mars)> > > also> > > > > need to be> > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > > > conjunction/aspect.> > > > >> > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be significant> > in> > > > > terms of> > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> non-traditional> > > > > approach. This> > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly, if> > well> > > > > fortified> > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases intuition> > and> > > > > favors> > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> > > recognised> > > > as> > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that, for> > > > > traditional> > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the stronger> of> > > the> > > > > two. No> > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > non-traditional.> > > > >> > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply> showing> > > the> > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one path> or> > > the> > > > > other, or> > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on both> > > > > traditional and> > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water, the> two> > > > don't> > > > > seem to> > > > > mix very well.> > > > >> > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember> astrologer> > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the KP> > > method> > > > > and was,> > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out> > > strongly> > > > > against> > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from> astrology> > > > > altogether a> > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology simply> > > didn't> > > > > work...to> > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> > > > >> > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by clouds> > for> > > > some> > > > > time,> > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often be> > > cloudy> > > > > days in> > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and gloomy;> but,> > > > like> > > > > the Sun,> > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > >> > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>> > > > > ===================//> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

March 30, 2010

Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..

aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin

hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai oherwise

normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..

Love and hugs and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....

> hugs and regards,

> gopi.

> , " sreesog " sreesog@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji,

> > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even

> if

> > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to

> this

> > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and

useful,

> > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with

our

> > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice

> > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too

> > does the same when ever I find a good message.

> > Love and hugs,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had

> any

> > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning.I just felt it is a good

post

> > to

> > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/depreciation

> > since

> > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> > > Love and regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > , " sreesog "

sreesog@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding

> > > that

> > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?

> > > > >

> > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos

> > > abhorrable.

> > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other

> people

> > > > > laughing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have

> ever

> > > come

> > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from

> our

> > > > Indian

> > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

> > > > >

> > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone

> > through

> > > > the

> > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here

> > writings,

> > > > and

> > > > > am aware of.

> > > > >

> > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is

not

> a

> > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a

> representative

> > > of

> > > > > the whole can.

> > > > >

> > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree

> to

> > > the

> > > > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to

> mix

> > > very

> > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,

which

> > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I

> wholeheartedly

> > > > agree

> > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons

> like

> > > me,

> > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I

have

> > > been

> > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have

> been

> > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many

> of

> > > the

> > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the

bhava

> > > > Chalit,

> > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which

> go

> > a

> > > > long

> > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every

> > > colour

> > > > of

> > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same

> with

> > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure

> some

> > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room.

> Till

> > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > In , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear ones,

> > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer

> from

> > > > > another

> > > > > > group which i find worthy.....

> > > > > > //Dear Group,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem

> to

> > be

> > > > an

> > > > > > ever

> > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning

> astrologers

> > to

> > > > > turn

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional

> > approach.

> > > Of

> > > > > > course

> > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow

> whatever

> > > > path

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > grip of

> > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the

> astrological

> > > > > > influences that

> > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma

which

> > > > > signifies

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of

> the

> > > > veda'

> > > > > > (jyotish)

> > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal

> > chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,

> > guru,

> > > > > > religion,

> > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its

> > karaka

> > > > > > (Jupiter), is

> > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

> significations

> > > will

> > > > > > suffer in

> > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find

someone

> > who

> > > > > turns

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or

jyotish,

> > > > favoring

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning

> and

> > > > > speech.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this

> > > house,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone

with

> a

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech,

> > > Mercury

> > > > > > also needs

> > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with

malefics

> > > etc..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house.

> One

> > > of

> > > > > > India's

> > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this

> > house

> > > > > along

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),

exchanging

> > > signs

> > > > > with

> > > > > > Moon,

> > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their

> > > services

> > > > > via

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka

> (Mars)

> > > > also

> > > > > > need to be

> > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic

> > > > > > conjunction/aspect.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be

> significant

> > > in

> > > > > > terms of

> > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the

> > non-traditional

> > > > > > approach. This

> > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,

if

> > > well

> > > > > > fortified

> > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases

> intuition

> > > and

> > > > > > favors

> > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally

> > > > recognised

> > > > > as

> > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that,

for

> > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the

stronger

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > two. No

> > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the

> > > > non-traditional.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply

> > showing

> > > > the

> > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one

> path

> > or

> > > > the

> > > > > > other, or

> > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on

both

> > > > > > traditional and

> > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,

the

> > two

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > mix very well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember

> > astrologer

> > > > > > Andrew Lynn,

> > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the

> KP

> > > > method

> > > > > > and was,

> > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out

> > > > strongly

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from

> > astrology

> > > > > > altogether a

> > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology

simply

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > work...to

> > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by

> clouds

> > > for

> > > > > some

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often

be

> > > > cloudy

> > > > > > days in

> > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and

gloomy;

> > but,

> > > > > like

> > > > > > the Sun,

> > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>

> > > > > > ===================//

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 30, 2010

I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This is an english language group and remember the requests of many!!...Hindi is not our national language (yet).......either....Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin> hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai oherwise> normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > Love and hugs and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > hugs and regards,> > gopi.> > , "sreesog" sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even> > if> > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to> > this> > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> useful,> > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with> our> > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice> > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too> > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > Love and hugs,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had> > any> > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning.I just felt it is a good> post> > > to> > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/depreciation> > > since> > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "sreesog"> sreesog@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding> > > > that> > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > >> > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > > > > >> > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > >> > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos> > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other> > people> > > > > > laughing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have> > ever> > > > come> > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from> > our> > > > > Indian> > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > >> > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone> > > through> > > > > the> > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here> > > writings,> > > > > and> > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > >> > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is> not> > a> > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > representative> > > > of> > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > >> > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree> > to> > > > the> > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to> > mix> > > > very> > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,> which> > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > wholeheartedly> > > > > agree> > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons> > like> > > > me,> > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I> have> > > > been> > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have> > been> > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many> > of> > > > the> > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the> bhava> > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which> > go> > > a> > > > > long> > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in> > > > > Astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every> > > > colour> > > > > of> > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same> > with> > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure> > some> > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room.> > Till> > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > In , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer> > from> > > > > > another> > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem> > to> > > be> > > > > an> > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > astrologers> > > to> > > > > > turn> > > > > > > away> > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional> > > approach.> > > > Of> > > > > > > course> > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow> > whatever> > > > > path> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are free> > from> > > > the> > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > astrological> > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma> which> > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of> > the> > > > > veda'> > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal> > > chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,> > > guru,> > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its> > > karaka> > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > significations> > > > will> > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> someone> > > who> > > > > > turns> > > > > > > away> > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> jyotish,> > > > > favoring> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning> > and> > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this> > > > house,> > > > > > for> > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone> with> > a> > > > > > strong> > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech,> > > > Mercury> > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> malefics> > > > etc..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house.> > One> > > > of> > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this> > > house> > > > > > along> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> exchanging> > > > signs> > > > > > with> > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their> > > > services> > > > > > via> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka> > (Mars)> > > > > also> > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > > > > > conjunction/aspect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > significant> > > > in> > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > non-traditional> > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,> if> > > > well> > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > intuition> > > > and> > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> > > > > recognised> > > > > > as> > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that,> for> > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> stronger> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply> > > showing> > > > > the> > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one> > path> > > or> > > > > the> > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on> both> > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,> the> > > two> > > > > > don't> > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember> > > astrologer> > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the> > KP> > > > > method> > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out> > > > > strongly> > > > > > > against> > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from> > > astrology> > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology> simply> > > > > didn't> > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by> > clouds> > > > for> > > > > > some> > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often> be> > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> gloomy;> > > but,> > > > > > like> > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>> > > > > > > ===================//> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

March 30, 2010

Thanks.. I understand one language which everyone understands- the language of Love..

, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This is> an english language group and remember the requests of many!!...Hindi is> not our national language (yet).......either....> Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> gopi.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> >> > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin> > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai oherwise> > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> >> > Love and hugs and regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > hugs and regards,> > > gopi.> > > , "sreesog" sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even> > > if> > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that> to> > > this> > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> > useful,> > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with> > our> > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the> nice> > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me> too> > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > Love and hugs,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never> had> > > any> > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning.I just felt it is a good> > post> > > > to> > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any> apreciation/depreciation> > > > since> > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > , "sreesog"> > sreesog@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding> > > > > that> > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos> > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other> > > people> > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have> > > ever> > > > > come> > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few> from> > > our> > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone> > > > through> > > > > > the> > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here> > > > writings,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is> > not> > > a> > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > representative> > > > > of> > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not> agree> > > to> > > > > the> > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem> to> > > mix> > > > > very> > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,> > which> > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > agree> > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons> > > like> > > > > me,> > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I> > have> > > > > been> > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have> > > been> > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that> many> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the> > bhava> > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations> which> > > go> > > > a> > > > > > long> > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting> in> > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of> every> > > > > colour> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same> > > with> > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure> > > some> > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the> room.> > > Till> > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer> > > from> > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does> seem> > > to> > > > be> > > > > > an> > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > astrologers> > > > to> > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional> > > > approach.> > > > > Of> > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow> > > whatever> > > > > > path> > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > choose without condemnation...after all none of us are> free> > > from> > > > > the> > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > astrological> > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma> > which> > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye> of> > > the> > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal> > > > chart.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as> wisdom,> > > > guru,> > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its> > > > karaka> > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > significations> > > > > will> > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> > someone> > > > who> > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > jyotish,> > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of> learning> > > and> > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in> this> > > > > house,> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone> > with> > > a> > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of> speech,> > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> > malefics> > > > > etc..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this> house.> > > One> > > > > of> > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in> this> > > > house> > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> > exchanging> > > > > signs> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer> their> > > > > services> > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka> > > (Mars)> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > > > > > > conjunction/aspect.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > significant> > > > > in> > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and> certainly,> > if> > > > > well> > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > > intuition> > > > > and> > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that,> > for> > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> > stronger> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply> > > > showing> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one> > > path> > > > or> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on> > both> > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,> > the> > > > two> > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember> > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed> the> > > KP> > > > > > method> > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking> out> > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from> > > > astrology> > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology> > simply> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't> shine.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by> > > clouds> > > > > for> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may> often> > be> > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> > gloomy;> > > > but,> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>> > > > > > > > ===================//> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

March 31, 2010

Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any language is the medium of communication. You must be knowing Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India. Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is only will to learn.

I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.--- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Tradition v/s non tradition Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM

I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This is an english language group and remember the requests of many!!...Hindi is not our national language (yet)....... either... .Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin> hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai oherwise> normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > Love and hugs and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > hugs and regards,> >

gopi.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even> > if> > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to> > this> > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> useful,> > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with> our> > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice> > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too> > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > Love and hugs,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna">

> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had> > any> > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a good> post> > > to> > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/ depreciation> > > since> > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> sreesog@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding> > > > that> > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar

ji for that nice original reply!> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > >> > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > > > > >> > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > >> > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos> > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > Many who have not learnt to

smile ever, cannot digest other> > people> > > > > > laughing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have> > ever> > > > come> > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from> > our> > > > > Indian> > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > >> > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone> > > through> > > > > the> > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here> > > writings,> > > > > and> > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > >> > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He

is not an authority to comment. He is> not> > a> > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > representative> > > > of> > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > >> > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree> > to> > > > the> > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to> > mix> > > > very> > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,> which> > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > wholeheartedly> > > > > agree> > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons> > like> > > > me,> >

> > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I> have> > > > been> > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have> > been> > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many> > of> > > > the> > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the> bhava> > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which> > go> > > a> > > > > long> > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in> > > > > Astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every> > > >

colour> > > > > of> > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same> > with> > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure> > some> > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room.> > Till> > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> Dear ones,> > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer> > from> > > > > > another> > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem> > to> > > be> > > > > an> > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > astrologers> > > to> > > > > > turn> > > > > > > away> > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional> > > approach.> > > > Of> > > > > > > course> >

> > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow> > whatever> > > > > path> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us are free> > from> > > > the> > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > astrological> > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma> which> > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of>

> the> > > > > veda'> > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal> > > chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,> > > guru,> > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its> > > karaka> > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > significations> > > > will> > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> someone> > > who> > > > > > turns> >

> > > > > away> > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> jyotish,> > > > > favoring> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning> > and> > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this> > > > house,> > > > > > for> > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone> with> > a> > > > > > strong> > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the

significator of speech,> > > > Mercury> > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> malefics> > > > etc..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house.> > One> > > > of> > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this> > > house> > > > > > along> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> exchanging> > > > signs> > > > > > with> > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary

works.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their> > > > services> > > > > > via> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka> > (Mars)> > > > > also> > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > significant> > > > in> > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > non-traditional> >

> > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,> if> > > > well> > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > intuition> > > > and> > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> > > > > recognised> > > > > > as> > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that,> for> > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> stronger> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > two. No> > >

> > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply> > > showing> > > > > the> > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one> > path> > > or> > > > > the> > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on> both> > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,> the> > > two> > > > > > don't> > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > mix very well.>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember> > > astrologer> > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the> > KP> > > > > method> > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out> > > > > strongly> > > > > > > against> > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from> > > astrology> > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology> simply> > > > > didn't> > > > > > > work...to> > >

> > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by> > clouds> > > > for> > > > > > some> > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often> be> > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> gloomy;> > > but,> > > > > > like> > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > >

Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

March 31, 2010

Respected members,

Can we bypass the issue (national laguage) & move on ?

Please note that India has many national laguages (Assamese, Bengali, Oriya, Hindi, Telegu, Tamil & so on...roughly 22+ languages).

Hindi & English are the "Official languages".

Some people, unknowingly, claims that Hindi is The National Language & insist that everyone should learn it / use it.

The claim is based on False beliefs.

Yes, it is advantegeous to learn a common language.

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of S.C. KursijaWednesday, March 31, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Re: Tradition v/s non tradition

Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any language is the medium of communication. You must be knowing Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India. Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is only will to learn.

I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.--- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote:

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM

I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This is an english language group and remember the requests of many!!...Hindi is not our national language (yet)....... either... .Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin> hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai oherwise> normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > Love and hugs and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > hugs and regards,> > gopi.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even> > if> > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to> > this> > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> useful,> > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with> our> > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice> > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too> > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > Love and hugs,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had> > any> > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a good> post> > > to> > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/ depreciation> > > since> > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> sreesog@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding> > > > that> > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > >> > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > > > > >> > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > >> > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos> > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other> > people> > > > > > laughing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have> > ever> > > > come> > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from> > our> > > > > Indian> > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > >> > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone> > > through> > > > > the> > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here> > > writings,> > > > > and> > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > >> > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is> not> > a> > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > representative> > > > of> > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > >> > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree> > to> > > > the> > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to> > mix> > > > very> > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,> which> > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > wholeheartedly> > > > > agree> > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons> > like> > > > me,> > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I> have> > > > been> > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have> > been> > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many> > of> > > > the> > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the> bhava> > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which> > go> > > a> > > > > long> > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in> > > > > Astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every> > > > colour> > > > > of> > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same> > with> > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure> > some> > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room.> > Till> > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer> > from> > > > > > another> > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem> > to> > > be> > > > > an> > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > astrologers> > > to> > > > > > turn> > > > > > > away> > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional> > > approach.> > > > Of> > > > > > > course> > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow> > whatever> > > > > path> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us are free> > from> > > > the> > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > astrological> > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma> which> > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of> > the> > > > > veda'> > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal> > > chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,> > > guru,> > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its> > > karaka> > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > significations> > > > will> > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> someone> > > who> > > > > > turns> > > > > > > away> > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> jyotish,> > > > > favoring> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning> > and> > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this> > > > house,> > > > > > for> > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone> with> > a> > > > > > strong> > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech,> > > > Mercury> > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> malefics> > > > etc..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house.> > One> > > > of> > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this> > > house> > > > > > along> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> exchanging> > > > signs> > > > > > with> > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their> > > > services> > > > > > via> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka> > (Mars)> > > > > also> > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > significant> > > > in> > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > non-traditional> > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,> if> > > > well> > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > intuition> > > > and> > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> > > > > recognised> > > > > > as> > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that,> for> > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> stronger> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply> > > showing> > > > > the> > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one> > path> > > or> > > > > the> > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on> both> > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,> the> > > two> > > > > > don't> > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember> > > astrologer> > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the> > KP> > > > > method> > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out> > > > > strongly> > > > > > > against> > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from> > > astrology> > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology> simply> > > > > didn't> > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by> > clouds> > > > for> > > > > > some> > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often> be> > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> gloomy;> > > but,> > > > > > like> > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

March 31, 2010

Hindi is the Unofficial Indian Language goes without saying and without

doubts for it is understood normally by everyone in india in majority.

Unfortunately the Constitution was made by those who appease Muslims,

which is why we could not have the name " Hindusthan " declared for this

country, like they did for " Pakistan " , and neither a common language

declared.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Respected members,

>

> Can we bypass the issue (national laguage) & move on ?

>

> Please note that India has many national laguages (Assamese, Bengali,

Oriya, Hindi, Telegu, Tamil & so on...roughly 22+ languages).

>

> Hindi & English are the " Official languages " .

>

> Some people, unknowingly, claims that Hindi is The National Language &

insist that everyone should learn it / use it.

> The claim is based on False beliefs.

>

> Yes, it is advantegeous to learn a common language.

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

> ________________________________

>

On Behalf Of S.C.

Kursija

> Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:41 PM

>

> Re: Re: Tradition v/s non

tradition

>

> Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

> May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any

language is the medium of communication. You must be knowing Sanskrit.

The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other

languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you accept it

as national language or not it is widely spoken in India. Every learned

citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer dictionary for

English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is only will to

learn.

> I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.

>

> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> gopalakrishna gopi_b927

> Re: Tradition v/s non tradition

>

> Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM

>

> I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This

is an english language group and remember the requests of many!!...Hindi

is not our national language (yet)....... either... .

> Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;

> gopi.

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..

> >

> > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin

> > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai

oherwise

> > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..

> >

> > Love and hugs and regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

> > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....

> > > hugs and regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

sreesog@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding.

Even

> > > if

> > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that

to

> > > this

> > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and

> > useful,

> > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it

with

> > our

> > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the

nice

> > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me

too

> > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.

> > > > Love and hugs,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never

had

> > > any

> > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a

good

> > post

> > > > to

> > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/

depreciation

> > > > since

> > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > sreesog@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for

forwarding

> > > > > that

> > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite

clear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos

> > > > > abhorrable.

> > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest

other

> > > people

> > > > > > > laughing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I

have

> > > ever

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few

from

> > > our

> > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has

gone

> > > > through

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here

> > > > writings,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > am aware of.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He

is

> > not

> > > a

> > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a

> > > representative

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the whole can.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not

agree

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two don't seem

to

> > > mix

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,

> > which

> > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I

> > > wholeheartedly

> > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like

persons

> > > like

> > > > > me,

> > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what

I

> > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I

have

> > > been

> > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that

many

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the

> > bhava

> > > > > > Chalit,

> > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations

which

> > > go

> > > > a

> > > > > > long

> > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting

in

> > > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of

every

> > > > > colour

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives.

Same

> > > with

> > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side.

sure

> > > some

> > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the

room.

> > > Till

> > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear ones,

> > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected

astrologer

> > > from

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....

> > > > > > > > //Dear Group,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does

seem

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning

> > > astrologers

> > > > to

> > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional

> > > > approach.

> > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow

> > > whatever

> > > > > > path

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us are

free

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > grip of

> > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the

> > > astrological

> > > > > > > > influences that

> > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma

> > which

> > > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the

eye of

> > > the

> > > > > > veda'

> > > > > > > > (jyotish)

> > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the

natal

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as

wisdom,

> > > > guru,

> > > > > > > > religion,

> > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or

its

> > > > karaka

> > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is

> > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

> > > significations

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > suffer in

> > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find

> > someone

> > > > who

> > > > > > > turns

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or

> > jyotish,

> > > > > > favoring

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of

learning

> > > and

> > > > > > > speech.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in

this

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or

someone

> > with

> > > a

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of

speech,

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > also needs

> > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with

> > malefics

> > > > > etc..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this

house.

> > > One

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > India's

> > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in

this

> > > > house

> > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),

> > exchanging

> > > > > signs

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Moon,

> > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer

their

> > > > > services

> > > > > > > via

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and

karaka

> > > (Mars)

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > need to be

> > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic

> > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be

> > > significant

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > terms of

> > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the

> > > > non-traditional

> > > > > > > > approach. This

> > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and

certainly,

> > if

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > > fortified

> > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases

> > > intuition

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > favors

> > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

generally

> > > > > > recognised

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is

that,

> > for

> > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the

> > stronger

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > two. No

> > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the

> > > > > > non-traditional.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad

BTW...simply

> > > > showing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards

one

> > > path

> > > > or

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > other, or

> > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally)

on

> > both

> > > > > > > > traditional and

> > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and

water,

> > the

> > > > two

> > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > mix very well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,

> > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed

the

> > > KP

> > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > and was,

> > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking

out

> > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > altogether a

> > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology

> > simply

> > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > work...to

> > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't

shine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by

> > > clouds

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may

often

> > be

> > > > > > cloudy

> > > > > > > > days in

> > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and

> > gloomy;

> > > > but,

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > the Sun,

> > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>

> > > > > > > > ============ =======//

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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April 1, 2010

Respected sree Kursija ji,//May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas many times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to respond just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am afraid you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national or international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were requesting the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......//The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //I dont know and i am not sure.//Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer

dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is

only will to learn.> I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are NOT LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i believe long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It did not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english in an english language group?That's all my question......I am not supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to english in an english language group just as we should stick to hindi in hindi language group?Regards,gopi. , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji, > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India. Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is only will to learn.> I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.> > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote:> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927 Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> > > Â > > > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This is an english language group and remember the requests of many!!...Hindi is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> gopi.> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin> > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai oherwise> > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > > > Love and hugs and regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > hugs and regards,> > > gopi.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even> > > if> > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to> > > this> > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> > useful,> > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with> > our> > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice> > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too> > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > Love and hugs,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had> > > any> > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a good> > post> > > > to> > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/ depreciation> > > > since> > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > sreesog@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding> > > > > that> > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos> > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other> > > people> > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have> > > ever> > > > > come> > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from> > > our> > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone> > > > through> > > > > > the> > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here> > > > writings,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is> > not> > > a> > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > representative> > > > > of> > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree> > > to> > > > > the> > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to> > > mix> > > > > very> > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,> > which> > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > agree> > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons> > > like> > > > > me,> > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I> > have> > > > > been> > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have> > > been> > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of the> > bhava> > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which> > > go> > > > a> > > > > > long> > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in> > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every> > > > > colour> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same> > > with> > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure> > > some> > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the room.> > > Till> > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer> > > from> > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem> > > to> > > > be> > > > > > an> > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > astrologers> > > > to> > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional> > > > approach.> > > > > Of> > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow> > > whatever> > > > > > path> > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us are free> > > from> > > > > the> > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > astrological> > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma> > which> > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of> > > the> > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal> > > > chart.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,> > > > guru,> > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its> > > > karaka> > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > significations> > > > > will> > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> > someone> > > > who> > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > jyotish,> > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning> > > and> > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this> > > > > house,> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone> > with> > > a> > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech,> > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> > malefics> > > > > etc..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house.> > > One> > > > > of> > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this> > > > house> > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> > exchanging> > > > > signs> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their> > > > > services> > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka> > > (Mars)> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > significant> > > > > in> > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,> > if> > > > > well> > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > > intuition> > > > > and> > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that,> > for> > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> > stronger> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply> > > > showing> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one> > > path> > > > or> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on> > both> > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,> > the> > > > two> > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember> > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the> > > KP> > > > > > method> > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out> > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from> > > > astrology> > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology> > simply> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by> > > clouds> > > > > for> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often> > be> > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> > gloomy;> > > > but,> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

April 1, 2010

Respected Sh.Gopala Krishana JI,

Thanks for your reply and clarifying your position. I agree with you that on English forum one should write in English only.

If some one knows you and send the email personally to you, not on the forum, you have freedom to give him a befitting reply on his personal email not on the forum. This is only my request.

Regards--- On Thu, 4/1/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Tradition v/s non tradition Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 12:00 PM

Respected sree Kursija ji,//May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas many times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to respond just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am afraid you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national or international. I responded on behalf of others aswell who were requesting the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......//The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //I dont know and i am not sure.//Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is only will to learn.> I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//How can you say that which means

those who did not know hindi are NOT LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i believe long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It did not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english in an english language group?That's all my question.... ..I am not supporting any particular language here........ why dont we stick to english in an english language group just as we should stick to hindi in hindi language group?Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@.. .> wrote:>> Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji, > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any language is the medium of

communication. You must be knowingÃ‚ Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India. Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is only will to learn.> I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.> > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@.. . wrote:> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@.. .> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> > > Ã‚ > > > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This is an english language group and remember

the requests of many!!...Hindi is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> gopi.> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi nahin> > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai oherwise> > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > > > Love and hugs and regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > hugs and regards,> > > gopi.> >

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding. Even> > > if> > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded that to> > > this> > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> > useful,> > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it with> > our> > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for the nice> > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages. Me too> > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > Love and hugs,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > >

ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i never had> > > any> > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a good> > post> > > > to> > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/ depreciation> > > > since> > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > sreesog@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,>

> > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for forwarding> > > > > that> > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original reply!> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite clear.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What point

is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find Discos> > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest other> > > people> > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I have> > > ever> > > > > come> > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few from> > > our> > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has gone> >

> > through> > > > > > the> > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied here> > > > writings,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment. He is> > not> > > a> > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > representative> > > > > of> > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not agree> > > to> > > > > the> > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't seem to> > >

mix> > > > > very> > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised manner,> > which> > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > agree> > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like persons> > > like> > > > > me,> > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is what I> > have> > > > > been> > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I have> > > been> > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact, that many> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > members have through my writings

realised the value of the> > bhava> > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations which> > > go> > > > a> > > > > > long> > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while predicting in> > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of every> > > > > colour> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives. Same> > > with> > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side. sure> > > some> > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the

room.> > > Till> > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected astrologer> > > from> > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > >

> > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it does seem> > > to> > > > be> > > > > > an> > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > astrologers> > > > to> > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a non-traditional> > > > approach.> > > > > Of> > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to follow> > > whatever> > > > > > path> > > > > >

> > they> > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us are free> > > from> > > > > the> > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > astrological> > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of dharma> > which> > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the eye of> > > the> > > > > > veda'> > > > > > >

> (jyotish)> > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the natal> > > > chart.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as wisdom,> > > > guru,> > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or its> > > > karaka> > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > significations> > > > > will> > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> > someone> > > > who> > > > > > >

turns> > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > jyotish,> > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional teachers.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of learning> > > and> > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu in this> > > > > house,> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or someone> > with> > > a> > > >

> > > strong> > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of speech,> > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> > malefics> > > > > etc..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this house.> > > One> > > > > of> > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun in this> > > > house> > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> >

exchanging> > > > > signs> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer their> > > > > services> > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and karaka> > > (Mars)> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or malefic> > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > significant> > > > > in> > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and certainly,> > if> > > > > well> > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > > intuition> > > > > and> > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's generally> > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > as> >

> > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is that,> > for> > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> > stronger> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad BTW...simply> > > > showing> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards one> > > path> > > > or> > > > > > the> > > >

> > > > other, or> > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally) on> > both> > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and water,> > the> > > > two> > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will remember> > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew followed the> > > KP> > > > > > method> > > > > > > > and was,> >

> > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups speaking out> > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away from> > > > astrology> > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that astrology> > simply> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't shine.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered by> > > clouds> > > > > for> > > > > > > some> > > > > > >

> time,> > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may often> > be> > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> > gloomy;> > > > but,> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > >

> > gopi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

April 1, 2010

Dear all,

Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those not

knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies, While

those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a movie

in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know English

would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in

American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what they

are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when they

get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth or

kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out of

room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normally

understand in English movies...

This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient Asrology

done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias against

Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for conversations

here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does not

mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the commonly

understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better in

the Home language.

Try to translate this in English -

Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki aapki

beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki

unhone kya kaha...

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Respected sree Kursija ji,

> //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//

> why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas many

> times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to

respond

> just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am afraid

> you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national

or

> international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were

requesting

> the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......

> //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other

> languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //

> I dont know and i am not sure.

> //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you

refer

> dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is

> only will to learn.

> > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//

> How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are NOT

> LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i believe

> long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It did

> not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind

> information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should

> know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...

> Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english

in

> an english language group?That's all my question......I am not

> supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to

> english in an english language group just as we should stick to hindi

in

> hindi language group?

> Regards,

> gopi.

>

> , " S.C. Kursija "

> sckursija@ wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

> > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any

> language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ

> Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and

> other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you

> accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.

> Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer

> dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is

> only will to learn.

> > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.

> >

> > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition

> >

> > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This

> is an english language group and remember the requests of

many!!...Hindi

> is not our national language (yet)....... either... .

> > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;

> > gopi.

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..

> > >

> > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi

nahin

> > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai

> oherwise

> > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..

> > >

> > > Love and hugs and regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....

> > > > hugs and regards,

> > > > gopi.

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> sreesog@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding.

> Even

> > > > if

> > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded

that

> to

> > > > this

> > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and

> > > useful,

> > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it

> with

> > > our

> > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for

the

> nice

> > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.

Me

> too

> > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.

> > > > > Love and hugs,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i

never

> had

> > > > any

> > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a

> good

> > > post

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/

> depreciation

> > > > > since

> > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" sreesog "

> > > sreesog@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for

> forwarding

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original

reply!

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite

> clear.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find

Discos

> > > > > > abhorrable.

> > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest

> other

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > laughing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I

> have

> > > > ever

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few

> from

> > > > our

> > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has

> gone

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied

here

> > > > > writings,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > am aware of.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.

He

> is

> > > not

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a

> > > > representative

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the whole can.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not

> agree

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two don't

seem

> to

> > > > mix

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised

manner,

> > > which

> > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I

> > > > wholeheartedly

> > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like

> persons

> > > > like

> > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is

what

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,

that

> many

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of

the

> > > bhava

> > > > > > > Chalit,

> > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations

> which

> > > > go

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > long

> > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while

predicting

> in

> > > > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of

> every

> > > > > > colour

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives.

> Same

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side.

> sure

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the

> room.

> > > > Till

> > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear ones,

> > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected

> astrologer

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....

> > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it

does

> seem

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a

non-traditional

> > > > > approach.

> > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to

follow

> > > > whatever

> > > > > > > path

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us

are

> free

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > grip of

> > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > influences that

> > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of

dharma

> > > which

> > > > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the

> eye of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > veda'

> > > > > > > > > (jyotish)

> > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the

> natal

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as

> wisdom,

> > > > > guru,

> > > > > > > > > religion,

> > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or

> its

> > > > > karaka

> > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is

> > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

> > > > significations

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > suffer in

> > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find

> > > someone

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > turns

> > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or

> > > jyotish,

> > > > > > > favoring

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional

teachers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of

> learning

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > speech.

> > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu

in

> this

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or

> someone

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of

> speech,

> > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > also needs

> > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with

> > > malefics

> > > > > > etc..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this

> house.

> > > > One

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > India's

> > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun

in

> this

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),

> > > exchanging

> > > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Moon,

> > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer

> their

> > > > > > services

> > > > > > > > via

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and

> karaka

> > > > (Mars)

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > need to be

> > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or

malefic

> > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be

> > > > significant

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > terms of

> > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the

> > > > > non-traditional

> > > > > > > > > approach. This

> > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and

> certainly,

> > > if

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > fortified

> > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases

> > > > intuition

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > favors

> > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

> generally

> > > > > > > recognised

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is

> that,

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the

> > > stronger

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > two. No

> > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the

> > > > > > > non-traditional.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad

> BTW...simply

> > > > > showing

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards

> one

> > > > path

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > other, or

> > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally)

> on

> > > both

> > > > > > > > > traditional and

> > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and

> water,

> > > the

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > > mix very well.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will

remember

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,

> > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew

followed

> the

> > > > KP

> > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > and was,

> > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups

speaking

> out

> > > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away

from

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > altogether a

> > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that

astrology

> > > simply

> > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > work...to

> > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't

> shine.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered

by

> > > > clouds

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may

> often

> > > be

> > > > > > > cloudy

> > > > > > > > > days in

> > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and

> > > gloomy;

> > > > > but,

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > the Sun,

> > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>

> > > > > > > > > ============ =======//

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 1, 2010

" Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki

aapki

beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki

unhone kya kaha... "

Re read this as -

" Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki

aapki

beti ko hum pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki

unhone kya kaha... "

Try to translate this and give me the English translation which should

mean exactly the above .

If You cannot, then do not try to force English on anyone. We are 95%

conversing in English here. Just for 5% do not jump on us like fanatics

please....

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those

not

> knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies,

While

> those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a

movie

> in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know English

> would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in

> American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what they

> are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when they

> get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth or

> kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out of

> room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normally

> understand in English movies...

>

> This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient

Asrology

> done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias against

> Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for

conversations

> here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does not

> mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the

commonly

> understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better

in

> the Home language.

>

> Try to translate this in English -

>

> Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki

aapki

> beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki

> unhone kya kaha...

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " gopalakrishna "

> gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > Respected sree Kursija ji,

> > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//

> > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas

many

> > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to

> respond

> > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am

afraid

> > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national

> or

> > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were

> requesting

> > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......

> > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other

> > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //

> > I dont know and i am not sure.

> > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you

> refer

> > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It

is

> > only will to learn.

> > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//

> > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are

NOT

> > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i

believe

> > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It

did

> > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind

> > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should

> > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...

> > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english

> in

> > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not

> > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to

> > english in an english language group just as we should stick to

hindi

> in

> > hindi language group?

> > Regards,

> > gopi.

> >

> > , " S.C. Kursija "

> > sckursija@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

> > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any

> > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ

> > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and

> > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you

> > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.

> > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you

refer

> > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It

is

> > only will to learn.

> > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > Re: Tradition v/s non

tradition

> > >

> > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like

you.This

> > is an english language group and remember the requests of

> many!!...Hindi

> > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .

> > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;

> > > gopi.

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya

hoga..

> > > >

> > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi

> nahin

> > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai

> > oherwise

> > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..

> > > >

> > > > Love and hugs and regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....

> > > > > hugs and regards,

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > sreesog@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for

forwarding.

> > Even

> > > > > if

> > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded

> that

> > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good

and

> > > > useful,

> > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it

> > with

> > > > our

> > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for

> the

> > nice

> > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.

> Me

> > too

> > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.

> > > > > > Love and hugs,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i

> never

> > had

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is

a

> > good

> > > > post

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/

> > depreciation

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " sreesog "

> > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for

> > forwarding

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original

> reply!

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite

> > clear.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find

> Discos

> > > > > > > abhorrable.

> > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest

> > other

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > laughing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers

I

> > have

> > > > > ever

> > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a

few

> > from

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has

> > gone

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied

> here

> > > > > > writings,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > am aware of.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.

> He

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a

> > > > > representative

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the whole can.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do

not

> > agree

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two don't

> seem

> > to

> > > > > mix

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised

> manner,

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I

> > > > > wholeheartedly

> > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like

> > persons

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is

> what

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and

I

> > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,

> that

> > many

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of

> the

> > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > Chalit,

> > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such

observations

> > which

> > > > > go

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > long

> > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while

> predicting

> > in

> > > > > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects

of

> > every

> > > > > > > colour

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the

positives.

> > Same

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny

side.

> > sure

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of

the

> > room.

> > > > > Till

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,

> > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected

> > astrologer

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....

> > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it

> does

> > seem

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a

> non-traditional

> > > > > > approach.

> > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to

> follow

> > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > path

> > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us

> are

> > free

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > grip of

> > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the

> > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > influences that

> > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of

> dharma

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as

'the

> > eye of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > veda'

> > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)

> > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the

> > natal

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as

> > wisdom,

> > > > > > guru,

> > > > > > > > > > religion,

> > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house,

or

> > its

> > > > > > karaka

> > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is

> > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

> > > > > significations

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > suffer in

> > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may

find

> > > > someone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > turns

> > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or

> > > > jyotish,

> > > > > > > > favoring

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional

> teachers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of

> > learning

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > speech.

> > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu

> in

> > this

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or

> > someone

> > > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of

> > speech,

> > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > also needs

> > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated

with

> > > > malefics

> > > > > > > etc..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from

this

> > house.

> > > > > One

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > India's

> > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun

> in

> > this

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),

> > > > exchanging

> > > > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > Moon,

> > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or

offer

> > their

> > > > > > > services

> > > > > > > > > via

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and

> > karaka

> > > > > (Mars)

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > need to be

> > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or

> malefic

> > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be

> > > > > significant

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > terms of

> > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the

> > > > > > non-traditional

> > > > > > > > > > approach. This

> > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and

> > certainly,

> > > > if

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > fortified

> > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope,

increases

> > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > favors

> > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

> > generally

> > > > > > > > recognised

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is

> > that,

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be

the

> > > > stronger

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > two. No

> > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards

the

> > > > > > > > non-traditional.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad

> > BTW...simply

> > > > > > showing

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person

towards

> > one

> > > > > path

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > other, or

> > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines

(equally)

> > on

> > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > traditional and

> > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and

> > water,

> > > > the

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > > > mix very well.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will

> remember

> > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,

> > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew

> followed

> > the

> > > > > KP

> > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > and was,

> > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups

> speaking

> > out

> > > > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away

> from

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > altogether a

> > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that

> astrology

> > > > simply

> > > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > work...to

> > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't

> > shine.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be

covered

> by

> > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there

may

> > often

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > cloudy

> > > > > > > > > > days in

> > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark

and

> > > > gloomy;

> > > > > > but,

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > the Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>

> > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 1, 2010

who is a fanatic?is very clear.....gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > " Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki> aapki> beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki> unhone kya kaha..."> > Re read this as -> > " Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki> aapki> beti ko hum pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki> unhone kya kaha..."> > Try to translate this and give me the English translation which should> mean exactly the above .> > If You cannot, then do not try to force English on anyone. We are 95%> conversing in English here. Just for 5% do not jump on us like fanatics> please....> > Bhaskar.> > > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those> not> > knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies,> While> > those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a> movie> > in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know English> > would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in> > American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what they> > are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when they> > get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth or> > kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out of> > room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normally> > understand in English movies...> >> > This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient> Asrology> > done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias against> > Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for> conversations> > here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does not> > mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the> commonly> > understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better> in> > the Home language.> >> > Try to translate this in English -> >> > Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki> aapki> > beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki> > unhone kya kaha...> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected sree Kursija ji,> > > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//> > > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas> many> > > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to> > respond> > > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am> afraid> > > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national> > or> > > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were> > requesting> > > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......> > > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other> > > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //> > > I dont know and i am not sure.> > > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you> > refer> > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It> is> > > only will to learn.> > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//> > > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are> NOT> > > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i> believe> > > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It> did> > > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind> > > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should> > > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...> > > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english> > in> > > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not> > > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to> > > english in an english language group just as we should stick to> hindi> > in> > > hindi language group?> > > Regards,> > > gopi.> > >> > > , "S.C. Kursija"> > > sckursija@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,> > > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any> > > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ> > > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and> > > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you> > > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.> > > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you> refer> > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It> is> > > only will to learn.> > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > Re: Tradition v/s non> tradition> > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like> you.This> > > is an english language group and remember the requests of> > many!!...Hindi> > > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> > > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya> hoga..> > > > >> > > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi> > nahin> > > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai> > > oherwise> > > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > > > >> > > > > Love and hugs and regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > > > > hugs and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > > sreesog@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for> forwarding.> > > Even> > > > > > if> > > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded> > that> > > to> > > > > > this> > > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good> and> > > > > useful,> > > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it> > > with> > > > > our> > > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for> > the> > > nice> > > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.> > Me> > > too> > > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > > > > Love and hugs,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i> > never> > > had> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is> a> > > good> > > > > post> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/> > > depreciation> > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "sreesog"> > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for> > > forwarding> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original> > reply!> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite> > > clear.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find> > Discos> > > > > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest> > > other> > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers> I> > > have> > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a> few> > > from> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has> > > gone> > > > > > > through> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied> > here> > > > > > > writings,> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.> > He> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > > > > representative> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do> not> > > agree> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't> > seem> > > to> > > > > > mix> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised> > manner,> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > > > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > > > > agree> > > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like> > > persons> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is> > what> > > I> > > > > have> > > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and> I> > > have> > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,> > that> > > many> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of> > the> > > > > bhava> > > > > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such> observations> > > which> > > > > > go> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while> > predicting> > > in> > > > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects> of> > > every> > > > > > > > colour> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the> positives.> > > Same> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny> side.> > > sure> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of> the> > > room.> > > > > > Till> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected> > > astrologer> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it> > does> > > seem> > > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a> > non-traditional> > > > > > > approach.> > > > > > > > Of> > > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to> > follow> > > > > > whatever> > > > > > > > > path> > > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us> > are> > > free> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > > > > astrological> > > > > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of> > dharma> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as> 'the> > > eye of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the> > > natal> > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as> > > wisdom,> > > > > > > guru,> > > > > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house,> or> > > its> > > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > > > > significations> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may> find> > > > > someone> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > > > > jyotish,> > > > > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional> > teachers.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of> > > learning> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu> > in> > > this> > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or> > > someone> > > > > with> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of> > > speech,> > > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated> with> > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > etc..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from> this> > > house.> > > > > > One> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun> > in> > > this> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> > > > > exchanging> > > > > > > > signs> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or> offer> > > their> > > > > > > > services> > > > > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and> > > karaka> > > > > > (Mars)> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or> > malefic> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > > > > significant> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and> > > certainly,> > > > > if> > > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope,> increases> > > > > > intuition> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's> > > generally> > > > > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is> > > that,> > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be> the> > > > > stronger> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards> the> > > > > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad> > > BTW...simply> > > > > > > showing> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person> towards> > > one> > > > > > path> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines> (equally)> > > on> > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and> > > water,> > > > > the> > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will> > remember> > > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew> > followed> > > the> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > method> > > > > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups> > speaking> > > out> > > > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away> > from> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that> > astrology> > > > > simply> > > > > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't> > > shine.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be> covered> > by> > > > > > clouds> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there> may> > > often> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark> and> > > > > gloomy;> > > > > > > but,> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

April 1, 2010

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

I don't think anybody has dislike / bias against Hindi per se.

And I have noticed that may be 2% of times you do use Hindi...

which is acceptable because people find it easier to express in their

mother tongue. Bit would you accept it if somebody starts writing

in Telugu or Tamil or Bengali ?

But your other points...I find difficult to digest. Many of my friends

used to watch Assamese films while they were in Assam..sometimes

even Nepali films, without knowing the language. So people would watch

Hindi movie even if they don't understand Hindi ....and would not watch

South Indian films.... difficult to digest.

Yes, ancient astrology was not written in English - Nor written in Hindi.

People like me (non-Hindi speaking) find it easier to read & write English.

Speaking / listening to any language is different than reading/writing the same.

Exact translation is a very difficult thing....I remember watching a James Bond

movie with Hindi sub-titles. The sub-titles killed all the enjoyment. An example :

James Bond trying to kill a man in a toilet of a moving train. He goes to top side

of the toilet....hangs upside down and fires a bullet with a comment -

"Sorry, 'could not knock." - The same was translated as :

"Mein Dukhit hoon ki mein darwaja khat-khatwa nehin"

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of BhaskarThursday, April 01, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Tradition v/s non tradition

Dear all,Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those notknowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies, Whilethose not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a moviein a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know Englishwould never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies inAmerican spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what theyare speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when theyget up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth orkissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out ofroom , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normallyunderstand in English movies...This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient Asrologydone or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias againstHindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for conversationshere considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does notmean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the commonlyunderstood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better inthe Home language.Try to translate this in English -Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki aapkibeti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao kiunhone kya kaha...regards,Bhaskar. , "gopalakrishna"<gopi_b927 wrote:>> Respected sree Kursija ji,> //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//> why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas many> times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed torespond> just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am afraid> you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether nationalor> international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who wererequesting> the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......> //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other> languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //> I dont know and i am not sure.> //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As yourefer> dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> only will to learn.> > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//> How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are NOT> LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i believe> long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It did> not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind> information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should> know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...> Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know englishin> an english language group?That's all my question......I am not> supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to> english in an english language group just as we should stick to hindiin> hindi language group?> Regards,> gopi.>> , "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ wrote:> >> > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,> > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any> language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ> Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and> other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you> accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.> Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer> dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> only will to learn.> > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.> >> > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> >> > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> >> >> > Â> >> >> >> > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This> is an english language group and remember the requests ofmany!!...Hindi> is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> > gopi.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > >> > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadminahin> > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai> oherwise> > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > >> > > Love and hugs and regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,"gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > > hugs and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> sreesog@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding.> Even> > > > if> > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwardedthat> to> > > > this> > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> > > useful,> > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it> with> > > our> > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you forthe> nice> > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.Me> too> > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > > Love and hugs,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact inever> had> > > > any> > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a> good> > > post> > > > > to> > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/> depreciation> > > > > since> > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,"sreesog"> > > sreesog@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for> forwarding> > > > > > that> > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice originalreply!> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite> clear.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, findDiscos> > > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest> other> > > > people> > > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I> have> > > > ever> > > > > > come> > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few> from> > > > our> > > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has> gone> > > > > through> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studiedhere> > > > > writings,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.He> is> > > not> > > > a> > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > > representative> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not> agree> > > > to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don'tseem> to> > > > mix> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlisedmanner,> > > which> > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > > agree> > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like> persons> > > > like> > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which iswhat> I> > > have> > > > > > been> > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I> have> > > > been> > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,that> many> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value ofthe> > > bhava> > > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations> which> > > > go> > > > > a> > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion whilepredicting> in> > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of> every> > > > > > colour> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives.> Same> > > > with> > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side.> sure> > > > some> > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the> room.> > > > Till> > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected> astrologer> > > > from> > > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, itdoes> seem> > > > to> > > > > be> > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > > astrologers> > > > > to> > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of anon-traditional> > > > > approach.> > > > > > Of> > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free tofollow> > > > whatever> > > > > > > path> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of usare> free> > > > from> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > > astrological> > > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house ofdharma> > > which> > > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the> eye of> > > > the> > > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the> natal> > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as> wisdom,> > > > > guru,> > > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or> its> > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > > significations> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> > > someone> > > > > who> > > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > > jyotish,> > > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditionalteachers.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of> learning> > > > and> > > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahuin> this> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or> someone> > > with> > > > a> > > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of> speech,> > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> > > malefics> > > > > > etc..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this> house.> > > > One> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sunin> this> > > > > house> > > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> > > exchanging> > > > > > signs> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer> their> > > > > > services> > > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and> karaka> > > > (Mars)> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/ormalefic> > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > > significant> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and> certainly,> > > if> > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > > > intuition> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's> generally> > > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is> that,> > > for> > > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> > > stronger> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad> BTW...simply> > > > > showing> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards> one> > > > path> > > > > or> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally)> on> > > both> > > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and> water,> > > the> > > > > two> > > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members willremember> > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrewfollowed> the> > > > KP> > > > > > > method> > > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groupsspeaking> out> > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned awayfrom> > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically thatastrology> > > simply> > > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't> shine.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be coveredby> > > > clouds> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may> often> > > be> > > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> > > gloomy;> > > > > but,> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

April 1, 2010

Yes very clear indeed.

Fanatics -

- Those living in India but clapping when a Pakistan batsman hits a 4.

- Those living in india but possessing servile attitude to the leftovers

of the British regime.

- This leftover among other matters also is the same issue of language

over which members of the same community are fighting now with rigidly

clinging to a foreign language against which we have no problemns,

except that these fanatics have when we use just 2-5% of our total

converstaions in Hindi while 95-97% is done in Ebnglish, but they will

not get satisfied like the missionaries who want us to take Holy Water

and totally change our faith and religion, or like those fanatics who in

the olden days used to carry a Sword in hand and ask people to convert,

and now carry Bombs to have their ways around.

Who is a fanatic ?

I have defined above very well.

Bhaskar.

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> who is a fanatic?is very clear.....

> gopi.

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > " Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki

> > aapki

> > beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao

ki

> > unhone kya kaha... "

> >

> > Re read this as -

> >

> > " Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki

> > aapki

> > beti ko hum pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki

> > unhone kya kaha... "

> >

> > Try to translate this and give me the English translation which

should

> > mean exactly the above .

> >

> > If You cannot, then do not try to force English on anyone. We are

95%

> > conversing in English here. Just for 5% do not jump on us like

> fanatics

> > please....

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this.

Those

> > not

> > > knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies,

> > While

> > > those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a

> > movie

> > > in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know

> English

> > > would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in

> > > American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what

> they

> > > are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when

> they

> > > get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth

or

> > > kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out

> of

> > > room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we

> normally

> > > understand in English movies...

> > >

> > > This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient

> > Asrology

> > > done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias

> against

> > > Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for

> > conversations

> > > here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does

not

> > > mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the

> > commonly

> > > understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express

better

> > in

> > > the Home language.

> > >

> > > Try to translate this in English -

> > >

> > > Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki

> > aapki

> > > beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao

> ki

> > > unhone kya kaha...

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected sree Kursija ji,

> > > > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//

> > > > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many

pleas

> > many

> > > > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to

> > > respond

> > > > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am

> > afraid

> > > > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether

> national

> > > or

> > > > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were

> > > requesting

> > > > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......

> > > > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and

other

> > > > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //

> > > > I dont know and i am not sure.

> > > > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As

you

> > > refer

> > > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also.

It

> > is

> > > > only will to learn.

> > > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//

> > > > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi

are

> > NOT

> > > > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i

> > believe

> > > > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and

expression.It

> > did

> > > > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind

> > > > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian

should

> > > > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...

> > > > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know

> english

> > > in

> > > > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not

> > > > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick

> to

> > > > english in an english language group just as we should stick to

> > hindi

> > > in

> > > > hindi language group?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > gopi.

> > > >

> > > > , " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > sckursija@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

> > > > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.

Any

> > > > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ

> > > > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu

> and

> > > > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether

> you

> > > > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in

> India.

> > > > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you

> > refer

> > > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also.

It

> > is

> > > > only will to learn.

> > > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > Re: Tradition v/s non

> > tradition

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like

> > you.This

> > > > is an english language group and remember the requests of

> > > many!!...Hindi

> > > > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .

> > > > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya

> > hoga..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora

aadmi

> > > nahin

> > > > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai

> > > > oherwise

> > > > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love and hugs and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....

> > > > > > > hugs and regards,

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " sreesog "

> > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for

> > forwarding.

> > > > Even

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have

> forwarded

> > > that

> > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something

good

> > and

> > > > > > useful,

> > > > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like

sharing

> it

> > > > with

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you

> for

> > > the

> > > > nice

> > > > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good

> messages.

> > > Me

> > > > too

> > > > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.

> > > > > > > > Love and hugs,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact

i

> > > never

> > > > had

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it

> is

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/

> > > > depreciation

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " sreesog "

> > > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for

> > > > forwarding

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice

original

> > > reply!

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not

> quite

> > > > clear.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever,

find

> > > Discos

> > > > > > > > > abhorrable.

> > > > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot

> digest

> > > > other

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > laughing.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional

> Astrologers

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save

a

> > few

> > > > from

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She

> has

> > > > gone

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have

studied

> > > here

> > > > > > > > writings,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > am aware of.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to

> comment.

> > > He

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not

a

> > > > > > > representative

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the whole can.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I

do

> > not

> > > > agree

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two

> don't

> > > seem

> > > > to

> > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised

> > > manner,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then

I

> > > > > > > wholeheartedly

> > > > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world,

like

> > > > persons

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which

is

> > > what

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums.

> and

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this

fact,

> > > that

> > > > many

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the

value

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such

> > observations

> > > > which

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > long

> > > > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while

> > > predicting

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative

> aspects

> > of

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > > colour

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the

> > positives.

> > > > Same

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny

> > side.

> > > > sure

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner

of

> > the

> > > > room.

> > > > > > > Till

> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,

> > > > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon,

it

> > > does

> > > > seem

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for

> burgeoning

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a

> > > non-traditional

> > > > > > > > approach.

> > > > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to

> > > follow

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > path

> > > > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of

> us

> > > are

> > > > free

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > grip of

> > > > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate

the

> > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > influences that

> > > > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional

> views.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house

of

> > > dharma

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as

> > 'the

> > > > eye of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > veda'

> > > > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)

> > > > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with

> the

> > > > natal

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things

> as

> > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > guru,

> > > > > > > > > > > > religion,

> > > > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this

> house,

> > or

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > karaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is

> > > > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffer in

> > > > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may

> > find

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > turns

> > > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be

religion

> or

> > > > > > jyotish,

> > > > > > > > > > favoring

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional

> > > teachers.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house

> of

> > > > learning

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > speech.

> > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators.

> Rahu

> > > in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education

and/or

> > > > someone

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the

significator

> of

> > > > speech,

> > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > also needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated

> > with

> > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > etc..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from

> > this

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > India's

> > > > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted

> Sun

> > > in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh

Jupiter),

> > > > > > exchanging

> > > > > > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon,

> > > > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or

> > offer

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > services

> > > > > > > > > > > via

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication

and

> > > > karaka

> > > > > > > (Mars)

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > need to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or

> > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th)

to

> be

> > > > > > > significant

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > terms of

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to

the

> > > > > > > > non-traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > > approach. This

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and

> > > > certainly,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > fortified

> > > > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope,

> > increases

> > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > favors

> > > > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

> > > > generally

> > > > > > > > > > recognised

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here

> is

> > > > that,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to

be

> > the

> > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > two. No

> > > > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis

towards

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > non-traditional.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad

> > > > BTW...simply

> > > > > > > > showing

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person

> > towards

> > > > one

> > > > > > > path

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > other, or

> > > > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines

> > (equally)

> > > > on

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditional and

> > > > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil

and

> > > > water,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > > mix very well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will

> > > remember

> > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew

> > > followed

> > > > the

> > > > > > > KP

> > > > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > > > and was,

> > > > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups

> > > speaking

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned

away

> > > from

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > altogether a

> > > > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that

> > > astrology

> > > > > > simply

> > > > > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > work...to

> > > > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun

> doesn't

> > > > shine.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be

> > covered

> > > by

> > > > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise

there

> > may

> > > > often

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > cloudy

> > > > > > > > > > > > days in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be

dark

> > and

> > > > > > gloomy;

> > > > > > > > but,

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya

> .com/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 1, 2010

Dear Chakroborty ji,

Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of Land.

Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you compare it ewith regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.

I have watched only 3 South indian films till date because I do not understand the language.

One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other was "Shiva" both in Telugu. And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi movies but not all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if You are not able to digest theres a problem in the intestinal functionabilities and not with the food you are trying to gulp down.

The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as well as our Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking Pundits and not English speaking. Right ?

You have accepted that exact translation is a very difficult thing, is what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to express his moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and nothing wrong in that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French, marathi, Malyalee, or Telugu over here.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar-ji,> > I don't think anybody has dislike / bias against Hindi per se.> > And I have noticed that may be 2% of times you do use Hindi...> which is acceptable because people find it easier to express in their> mother tongue. Bit would you accept it if somebody starts writing> in Telugu or Tamil or Bengali ?> > But your other points...I find difficult to digest. Many of my friends> used to watch Assamese films while they were in Assam..sometimes> even Nepali films, without knowing the language. So people would watch> Hindi movie even if they don't understand Hindi ....and would not watch> South Indian films.... difficult to digest.> > Yes, ancient astrology was not written in English - Nor written in Hindi.> > People like me (non-Hindi speaking) find it easier to read & write English.> Speaking / listening to any language is different than reading/writing the same.> > Exact translation is a very difficult thing....I remember watching a James Bond> movie with Hindi sub-titles. The sub-titles killed all the enjoyment. An example :> > James Bond trying to kill a man in a toilet of a moving train. He goes to top side> of the toilet....hangs upside down and fires a bullet with a comment -> > "Sorry, 'could not knock." - The same was translated as :> > "Mein Dukhit hoon ki mein darwaja khat-khatwa nehin"> > > > regards> > Chakraborty> > > > > > > ________________________________> On Behalf Of Bhaskar> Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:50 PM> > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > > > Dear all,> > Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those not> knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies, While> those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a movie> in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know English> would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in> American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what they> are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when they> get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth or> kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out of> room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normally> understand in English movies...> > This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient Asrology> done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias against> Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for conversations> here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does not> mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the commonly> understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better in> the Home language.> > Try to translate this in English -> > Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki aapki> beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki> unhone kya kaha...> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > <%40>, "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Respected sree Kursija ji,> > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//> > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas many> > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to> respond> > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am afraid> > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national> or> > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were> requesting> > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......> > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other> > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //> > I dont know and i am not sure.> > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you> refer> > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> > only will to learn.> > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//> > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are NOT> > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i believe> > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It did> > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind> > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should> > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...> > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english> in> > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not> > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to> > english in an english language group just as we should stick to hindi> in> > hindi language group?> > Regards,> > gopi.> >> > <%40>, "S.C. Kursija"> > sckursija@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,> > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any> > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ> > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and> > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you> > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.> > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer> > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> > only will to learn.> > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.> > >> > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > > <%40>> > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This> > is an english language group and remember the requests of> many!!...Hindi> > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> > > gopi.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > > >> > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi> nahin> > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai> > oherwise> > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > > >> > > > Love and hugs and regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > > > hugs and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > sreesog@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding.> > Even> > > > > if> > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded> that> > to> > > > > this> > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> > > > useful,> > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it> > with> > > > our> > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for> the> > nice> > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.> Me> > too> > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > > > Love and hugs,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i> never> > had> > > > > any> > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a> > good> > > > post> > > > > > to> > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/> > depreciation> > > > > > since> > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "sreesog"> > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for> > forwarding> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original> reply!> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite> > clear.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find> Discos> > > > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest> > other> > > > > people> > > > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I> > have> > > > > ever> > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few> > from> > > > > our> > > > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has> > gone> > > > > > through> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied> here> > > > > > writings,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.> He> > is> > > > not> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > > > representative> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not> > agree> > > > > to> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't> seem> > to> > > > > mix> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised> manner,> > > > which> > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > > > agree> > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like> > persons> > > > > like> > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is> what> > I> > > > have> > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I> > have> > > > > been> > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,> that> > many> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of> the> > > > bhava> > > > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations> > which> > > > > go> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while> predicting> > in> > > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of> > every> > > > > > > colour> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives.> > Same> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side.> > sure> > > > > some> > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the> > room.> > > > > Till> > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected> > astrologer> > > > > from> > > > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it> does> > seem> > > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a> non-traditional> > > > > > approach.> > > > > > > Of> > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to> follow> > > > > whatever> > > > > > > > path> > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us> are> > free> > > > > from> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > > > astrological> > > > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of> dharma> > > > which> > > > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the> > eye of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the> > natal> > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as> > wisdom,> > > > > > guru,> > > > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or> > its> > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > > > significations> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> > > > someone> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > > > jyotish,> > > > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional> teachers.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of> > learning> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu> in> > this> > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or> > someone> > > > with> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of> > speech,> > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> > > > malefics> > > > > > > etc..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this> > house.> > > > > One> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun> in> > this> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> > > > exchanging> > > > > > > signs> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer> > their> > > > > > > services> > > > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and> > karaka> > > > > (Mars)> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or> malefic> > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > > > significant> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and> > certainly,> > > > if> > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > > > > intuition> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's> > generally> > > > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is> > that,> > > > for> > > > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> > > > stronger> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad> > BTW...simply> > > > > > showing> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards> > one> > > > > path> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally)> > on> > > > both> > > > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and> > water,> > > > the> > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will> remember> > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew> followed> > the> > > > > KP> > > > > > > > method> > > > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups> speaking> > out> > > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away> from> > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that> astrology> > > > simply> > > > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't> > shine.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered> by> > > > > clouds> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may> > often> > > > be> > > > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> > > > gloomy;> > > > > > but,> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.>

April 1, 2010

The National Anthem.

I would like the Members to please enlighten me in what language is this

written ? I am sure its not english. Then what is it ? Why do we stand

up in the cinema halls when listening to this? What language and through

what lines are these said ? Can someone tell me whether its pure

Sanskrit or English or Hindi ?

If it is the National Anthem then why is not in bengali or Nepali or

Telugu. As kin d member Chakroborty says that all of these are alike. So

why not have the National Anthem in the language suggested by Shri

Chakroborty ji ?

I am not sure about Shri Chakroborty ji whether he has ever been to W.

Bengal or not, but I know after having spent my school vacations there

every year, that every man on the street too knows Hindi very well and

can speak very well with use of " Aap " and " hum " and not like the

Maharshtra Hindi. So whats the problem here ? They are all bengalis but

knowing Hindi . But do all knowing Hindi know Bengali ???

bekaar ka discuss karte hain Bhaskar ke saamne bina logic ke...Time pass

karte hain. time kharaab karte hain. inke pass koi kaam nahin. Faaltu

issues lekar jhagadne ko taiyyar ho jaate hain..

regards/Bhaskar.

April 1, 2010

Bhai Gopiji

too much of reading will remove all hair and brains and one will have to

begin wearing a Topi.

Do not twist or read out of context or mininterpret or falsely claim

someone else to have written what he has not.

Your good friend Chakroborty ji has written all that, and I am just

repeating the same and meaning to say and ask that how can one compare

all these with Hindi ????

You are now trying to evade the issue from what it was meant to be...

Mudde ki baat karo.

yahan wahan mat charo.

Bhaskar.

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is comparing telugu

an

> indian language with nepali ,french etc is too much!!!.....

> gopi.

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chakroborty ji,

> >

> > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of Land.

> >

> > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you compare it

ewith

> > regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.

> >

> > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date because I do not

> > understand the language.

> >

> > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the other was " Shiva " both in

> Telugu.

> > And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi movies but

not

> > all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if You are not

> able

> > to digest theres a problem in the intestinal functionabilities and

> not

> > with the food you are trying to gulp down.

> >

> > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as well as our

> > Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking Pundits and

not

> > English speaking. Right ?

> >

> > You have accepted that exact translation is a very difficult thing,

is

> > what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to express his

> > moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and nothing wrong

> in

> > that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French, marathi, Malyalee,

> or

> > Telugu over here.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Chakraborty, PL "

> > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar-ji,

> > >

> > > I don't think anybody has dislike / bias against Hindi per se.

> > >

> > > And I have noticed that may be 2% of times you do use Hindi...

> > > which is acceptable because people find it easier to express in

> their

> > > mother tongue. Bit would you accept it if somebody starts writing

> > > in Telugu or Tamil or Bengali ?

> > >

> > > But your other points...I find difficult to digest. Many of my

> friends

> > > used to watch Assamese films while they were in Assam..sometimes

> > > even Nepali films, without knowing the language. So people would

> watch

> > > Hindi movie even if they don't understand Hindi ....and would not

> > watch

> > > South Indian films.... difficult to digest.

> > >

> > > Yes, ancient astrology was not written in English - Nor written in

> > Hindi.

> > >

> > > People like me (non-Hindi speaking) find it easier to read & write

> > English.

> > > Speaking / listening to any language is different than

> reading/writing

> > the same.

> > >

> > > Exact translation is a very difficult thing....I remember watching

a

> > James Bond

> > > movie with Hindi sub-titles. The sub-titles killed all the

> enjoyment.

> > An example :

> > >

> > > James Bond trying to kill a man in a toilet of a moving train. He

> goes

> > to top side

> > > of the toilet....hangs upside down and fires a bullet with a

comment

> -

> > >

> > > " Sorry, 'could not knock. " - The same was translated as :

> > >

> > > " Mein Dukhit hoon ki mein darwaja khat-khatwa nehin "

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Chakraborty

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > On Behalf Of

Bhaskar

> > > Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:50 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Tradition v/s non

tradition

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this.

Those

> > not

> > > knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies,

> > While

> > > those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a

> > movie

> > > in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know

> English

> > > would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in

> > > American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what

> they

> > > are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when

> they

> > > get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth

or

> > > kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out

> of

> > > room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we

> normally

> > > understand in English movies...

> > >

> > > This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient

> > Asrology

> > > done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias

> against

> > > Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for

> > conversations

> > > here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does

not

> > > mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the

> > commonly

> > > understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express

better

> > in

> > > the Home language.

> > >

> > > Try to translate this in English -

> > >

> > > Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki

> > aapki

> > > beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao

> ki

> > > unhone kya kaha...

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > --- In

> >

>

<\

\

> \

> > %40>, " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected sree Kursija ji,

> > > > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//

> > > > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many

pleas

> > many

> > > > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to

> > > respond

> > > > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am

> > afraid

> > > > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether

> national

> > > or

> > > > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were

> > > requesting

> > > > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......

> > > > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and

other

> > > > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //

> > > > I dont know and i am not sure.

> > > > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As

you

> > > refer

> > > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also.

It

> > is

> > > > only will to learn.

> > > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//

> > > > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi

are

> > NOT

> > > > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i

> > believe

> > > > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and

expression.It

> > did

> > > > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind

> > > > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian

should

> > > > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...

> > > > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know

> english

> > > in

> > > > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not

> > > > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick

> to

> > > > english in an english language group just as we should stick to

> > hindi

> > > in

> > > > hindi language group?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > gopi.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> >

>

<\

\

> \

> > %40>, " S.C. Kursija "

> > > > sckursija@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

> > > > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.

Any

> > > > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ

> > > > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu

> and

> > > > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether

> you

> > > > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in

> India.

> > > > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you

> > refer

> > > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also.

It

> > is

> > > > only will to learn.

> > > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > Re: Tradition v/s non

> > tradition

> > > > > To:

> >

>

<\

\

> \

> > %40>

> > > > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like

> > you.This

> > > > is an english language group and remember the requests of

> > > many!!...Hindi

> > > > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .

> > > > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya

> > hoga..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora

aadmi

> > > nahin

> > > > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai

> > > > oherwise

> > > > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love and hugs and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....

> > > > > > > hugs and regards,

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " sreesog "

> > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for

> > forwarding.

> > > > Even

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have

> forwarded

> > > that

> > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something

good

> > and

> > > > > > useful,

> > > > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like

sharing

> it

> > > > with

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you

> for

> > > the

> > > > nice

> > > > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good

> messages.

> > > Me

> > > > too

> > > > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.

> > > > > > > > Love and hugs,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact

i

> > > never

> > > > had

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it

> is

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/

> > > > depreciation

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " sreesog "

> > > > > > sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for

> > > > forwarding

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice

original

> > > reply!

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not

> quite

> > > > clear.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever,

find

> > > Discos

> > > > > > > > > abhorrable.

> > > > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot

> digest

> > > > other

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > > laughing.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional

> Astrologers

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save

a

> > few

> > > > from

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She

> has

> > > > gone

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have

studied

> > > here

> > > > > > > > writings,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > am aware of.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to

> comment.

> > > He

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not

a

> > > > > > > representative

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the whole can.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I

do

> > not

> > > > agree

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two

> don't

> > > seem

> > > > to

> > > > > > > mix

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised

> > > manner,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then

I

> > > > > > > wholeheartedly

> > > > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world,

like

> > > > persons

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > me,

> > > > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which

is

> > > what

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums.

> and

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this

fact,

> > > that

> > > > many

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the

value

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > > Chalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such

> > observations

> > > > which

> > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > long

> > > > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while

> > > predicting

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative

> aspects

> > of

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > > colour

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the

> > positives.

> > > > Same

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny

> > side.

> > > > sure

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner

of

> > the

> > > > room.

> > > > > > > Till

> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,

> > > > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....

> > > > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon,

it

> > > does

> > > > seem

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for

> burgeoning

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a

> > > non-traditional

> > > > > > > > approach.

> > > > > > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to

> > > follow

> > > > > > > whatever

> > > > > > > > > > path

> > > > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of

> us

> > > are

> > > > free

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > grip of

> > > > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate

the

> > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > influences that

> > > > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional

> views.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house

of

> > > dharma

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as

> > 'the

> > > > eye of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > veda'

> > > > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)

> > > > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with

> the

> > > > natal

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things

> as

> > > > wisdom,

> > > > > > > > guru,

> > > > > > > > > > > > religion,

> > > > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this

> house,

> > or

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > karaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is

> > > > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffer in

> > > > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may

> > find

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > turns

> > > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be

religion

> or

> > > > > > jyotish,

> > > > > > > > > > favoring

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional

> > > teachers.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house

> of

> > > > learning

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > speech.

> > > > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators.

> Rahu

> > > in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education

and/or

> > > > someone

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the

significator

> of

> > > > speech,

> > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > also needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated

> > with

> > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > etc..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from

> > this

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > One

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > India's

> > > > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted

> Sun

> > > in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh

Jupiter),

> > > > > > exchanging

> > > > > > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon,

> > > > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or

> > offer

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > services

> > > > > > > > > > > via

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication

and

> > > > karaka

> > > > > > > (Mars)

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > need to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or

> > > malefic

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th)

to

> be

> > > > > > > significant

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > terms of

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to

the

> > > > > > > > non-traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > > approach. This

> > > > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and

> > > > certainly,

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > fortified

> > > > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope,

> > increases

> > > > > > > intuition

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > favors

> > > > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

> > > > generally

> > > > > > > > > > recognised

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here

> is

> > > > that,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to

be

> > the

> > > > > > stronger

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > two. No

> > > > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis

towards

> > the

> > > > > > > > > > non-traditional.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad

> > > > BTW...simply

> > > > > > > > showing

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person

> > towards

> > > > one

> > > > > > > path

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > other, or

> > > > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines

> > (equally)

> > > > on

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditional and

> > > > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil

and

> > > > water,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > > mix very well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will

> > > remember

> > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew

> > > followed

> > > > the

> > > > > > > KP

> > > > > > > > > > method

> > > > > > > > > > > > and was,

> > > > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups

> > > speaking

> > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > strongly

> > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned

away

> > > from

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > altogether a

> > > > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that

> > > astrology

> > > > > > simply

> > > > > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > work...to

> > > > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun

> doesn't

> > > > shine.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be

> > covered

> > > by

> > > > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise

there

> > may

> > > > often

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > cloudy

> > > > > > > > > > > > days in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be

dark

> > and

> > > > > > gloomy;

> > > > > > > > but,

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Sun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya

> .com/>

> > > > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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April 1, 2010

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

I understand what you are trying to say. But I beg to differ.

I respect all the languages equally. So do most of the people.

But your comprehension that 'Hindi is the National languages and others are Regional languages"

and hence Hindi is above par is not acceptable. Also comparing Hindi to sky and other languages

to small piece of land .....not in very good taste either.

You are not even respecting Indian Constitution which gives equal status to all major languages

(including Hindi ) and term them as "national languages" ---- not as "regional languages". Hindi is

additionally an Official language along with English. That's all.

We learn many languages because that helps us in communication. That's all. I learnt Hindi when

the need arose...not before that. Same with English. If posted in AP or TN for a long time, I will also

learn Telugu or Tamil.

Let us respect our mother tongues ....but let not say that it is superior to x/y/z language and thereby

insult those languages.

Please note that a language only flourishes with strong support ...which may be Royal / Govt. / Intelligentia.

Sanskrit / Farsi / Urdu had flourished at past with same reason. So does English and Hindi. If China becomes

only Super Power, we will learn Chinese too. So a language (Hindi) flourishing need not mean that other

languages are inferior.

The politicians who could not think beyond Hindi belt --- intentionally popularized the mis-concept that Hindi

is "The National Language". This zingoism has created more hurdles for spread of this beautiful language.

Probably you are under the same mis-conception.

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of BhaskarThursday, April 01, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Tradition v/s non tradition

Dear Chakroborty ji,

Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of Land.

Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you compare it ewith regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.

I have watched only 3 South indian films till date because I do not understand the language.

One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other was "Shiva" both in Telugu. And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi movies but not all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if You are not able to digest theres a problem in the intestinal functionabilities and not with the food you are trying to gulp down.

The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as well as our Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking Pundits and not English speaking. Right ?

You have accepted that exact translation is a very difficult thing, is what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to express his moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and nothing wrong in that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French, marathi, Malyalee, or Telugu over here.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar-ji,> > I don't think anybody has dislike / bias against Hindi per se.> > And I have noticed that may be 2% of times you do use Hindi...> which is acceptable because people find it easier to express in their> mother tongue. Bit would you accept it if somebody starts writing> in Telugu or Tamil or Bengali ?> > But your other points...I find difficult to digest. Many of my friends> used to watch Assamese films while they were in Assam..sometimes> even Nepali films, without knowing the language. So people would watch> Hindi movie even if they don't understand Hindi ....and would not watch> South Indian films.... difficult to digest.> > Yes, ancient astrology was not written in English - Nor written in Hindi.> > People like me (non-Hindi speaking) find it easier to read & write English.> Speaking / listening to any language is different than reading/writing the same.> > Exact translation is a very difficult thing....I remember watching a James Bond> movie with Hindi sub-titles. The sub-titles killed all the enjoyment. An example :> > James Bond trying to kill a man in a toilet of a moving train. He goes to top side> of the toilet....hangs upside down and fires a bullet with a comment -> > "Sorry, 'could not knock." - The same was translated as :> > "Mein Dukhit hoon ki mein darwaja khat-khatwa nehin"> > > > regards> > Chakraborty> > > > > > > ________________________________> On Behalf Of Bhaskar> Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:50 PM> > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > > > Dear all,> > Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those not> knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies, While> those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a movie> in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know English> would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in> American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what they> are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when they> get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth or> kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out of> room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normally> understand in English movies...> > This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient Asrology> done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias against> Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for conversations> here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does not> mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the commonly> understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better in> the Home language.> > Try to translate this in English -> > Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki aapki> beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki> unhone kya kaha...> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > <%40>, "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Respected sree Kursija ji,> > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//> > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas many> > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to> respond> > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am afraid> > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national> or> > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were> requesting> > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......> > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other> > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //> > I dont know and i am not sure.> > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you> refer> > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> > only will to learn.> > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//> > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are NOT> > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i believe> > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It did> > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind> > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should> > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...> > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english> in> > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not> > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to> > english in an english language group just as we should stick to hindi> in> > hindi language group?> > Regards,> > gopi.> >> > <%40>, "S.C. Kursija"> > sckursija@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,> > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any> > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ> > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and> > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you> > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.> > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer> > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> > only will to learn.> > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.> > >> > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > > <%40>> > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This> > is an english language group and remember the requests of> many!!...Hindi> > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> > > gopi.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > > >> > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi> nahin> > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai> > oherwise> > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > > >> > > > Love and hugs and regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > > > hugs and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > sreesog@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding.> > Even> > > > > if> > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded> that> > to> > > > > this> > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> > > > useful,> > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it> > with> > > > our> > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for> the> > nice> > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.> Me> > too> > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > > > Love and hugs,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i> never> > had> > > > > any> > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a> > good> > > > post> > > > > > to> > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/> > depreciation> > > > > > since> > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "sreesog"> > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for> > forwarding> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original> reply!> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite> > clear.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find> Discos> > > > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest> > other> > > > > people> > > > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I> > have> > > > > ever> > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few> > from> > > > > our> > > > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has> > gone> > > > > > through> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied> here> > > > > > writings,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.> He> > is> > > > not> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > > > representative> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not> > agree> > > > > to> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't> seem> > to> > > > > mix> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised> manner,> > > > which> > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > > > agree> > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like> > persons> > > > > like> > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is> what> > I> > > > have> > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I> > have> > > > > been> > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,> that> > many> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of> the> > > > bhava> > > > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations> > which> > > > > go> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while> predicting> > in> > > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of> > every> > > > > > > colour> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives.> > Same> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side.> > sure> > > > > some> > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the> > room.> > > > > Till> > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected> > astrologer> > > > > from> > > > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it> does> > seem> > > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a> non-traditional> > > > > > approach.> > > > > > > Of> > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to> follow> > > > > whatever> > > > > > > > path> > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us> are> > free> > > > > from> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > > > astrological> > > > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of> dharma> > > > which> > > > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the> > eye of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the> > natal> > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as> > wisdom,> > > > > > guru,> > > > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or> > its> > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > > > significations> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> > > > someone> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > > > jyotish,> > > > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional> teachers.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of> > learning> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu> in> > this> > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or> > someone> > > > with> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of> > speech,> > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> > > > malefics> > > > > > > etc..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this> > house.> > > > > One> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun> in> > this> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> > > > exchanging> > > > > > > signs> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer> > their> > > > > > > services> > > > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and> > karaka> > > > > (Mars)> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or> malefic> > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > > > significant> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and> > certainly,> > > > if> > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > > > > intuition> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's> > generally> > > > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is> > that,> > > > for> > > > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> > > > stronger> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad> > BTW...simply> > > > > > showing> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards> > one> > > > > path> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally)> > on> > > > both> > > > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and> > water,> > > > the> > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will> remember> > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew> followed> > the> > > > > KP> > > > > > > > method> > > > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups> speaking> > out> > > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away> from> > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that> astrology> > > > simply> > > > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't> > shine.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered> by> > > > > clouds> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may> > often> > > > be> > > > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> > > > gloomy;> > > > > > but,> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.>

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April 1, 2010

Respected Gopalkrishna, We i mean people living in Punjab have very strong cultural, linguistics, traditions etc. that are more akin with Pakistan than those of South India. Demarcation by some politicians does not mean that these ties have been cut by one stroke of blade/scissor on map.

RegardsKulbir Bains On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

Born in india that too in andhrapradesh this man is comparing telugu an indian language with nepali ,french etc is too much!!!.....gopi. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>> > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of Land.> > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you compare it ewith> regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.

> > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date because I do not> understand the language.> > One was " Shankarabharanam " and the the other was " Shiva " both in Telugu.

> And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi movies but not> all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if You are not able> to digest theres a problem in the intestinal functionabilities and not

> with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as well as our> Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking Pundits and not> English speaking. Right ?

> > You have accepted that exact translation is a very difficult thing, is> what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to express his> moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and nothing wrong in

> that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French, marathi, Malyalee, or> Telugu over here.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > , " Chakraborty, PL "

> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar-ji,> >> > I don't think anybody has dislike / bias against Hindi per se.> >> > And I have noticed that may be 2% of times you do use Hindi...

> > which is acceptable because people find it easier to express in their> > mother tongue. Bit would you accept it if somebody starts writing> > in Telugu or Tamil or Bengali ?> >> > But your other points...I find difficult to digest. Many of my friends

> > used to watch Assamese films while they were in Assam..sometimes> > even Nepali films, without knowing the language. So people would watch> > Hindi movie even if they don't understand Hindi ....and would not

> watch> > South Indian films.... difficult to digest.> >> > Yes, ancient astrology was not written in English - Nor written in> Hindi.> >> > People like me (non-Hindi speaking) find it easier to read & write

> English.> > Speaking / listening to any language is different than reading/writing> the same.> >> > Exact translation is a very difficult thing....I remember watching a> James Bond

> > movie with Hindi sub-titles. The sub-titles killed all the enjoyment.> An example :> >> > James Bond trying to kill a man in a toilet of a moving train. He goes> to top side

> > of the toilet....hangs upside down and fires a bullet with a comment -> >> > " Sorry, 'could not knock. " - The same was translated as :> >> > " Mein Dukhit hoon ki mein darwaja khat-khatwa nehin "

> >> >> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________

> > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:50 PM> > > > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition

> >> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those> not> > knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies,

> While> > those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a> movie> > in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know English> > would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in

> > American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what they> > are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when they> > get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth or

> > kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out of> > room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normally> > understand in English movies...> >

> > This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient> Asrology> > done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias against> > Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for

> conversations> > here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does not> > mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the> commonly> > understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better

> in> > the Home language.> >> > Try to translate this in English -> >> > Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki> aapki> > beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki

> > unhone kya kaha...> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > --- In> <\

> %40>, " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected sree Kursija ji,> > > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//

> > > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas> many> > > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to> > respond> > > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am

> afraid> > > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national> > or> > > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were> > requesting

> > > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......> > > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other> > > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //

> > > I dont know and i am not sure.> > > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you> > refer> > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It

> is> > > only will to learn.> > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//> > > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are> NOT

> > > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i> believe> > > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It> did> > > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind

> > > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should> > > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...> > > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english

> > in> > > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not> > > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to> > > english in an english language group just as we should stick to

> hindi> > in> > > hindi language group?> > > Regards,> > > gopi.> > >> > > --- In> <\

> %40>, " S.C. Kursija " > > > sckursija@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,

> > > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any> > > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ> > > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and

> > > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you> > > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.> > > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you

> refer> > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It> is> > > only will to learn.> > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.

> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > Re: Tradition v/s non

> tradition> > > > To:> <\

> %40>> > > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like> you.This> > > is an english language group and remember the requests of

> > many!!...Hindi> > > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> > > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya> hoga..> > > > >

> > > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi> > nahin> > > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai> > > oherwise

> > > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > > > >> > > > > Love and hugs and regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > > > > hugs and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > > sreesog@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for

> forwarding.> > > Even> > > > > > if> > > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded> > that> > > to> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good> and> > > > > useful,> > > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it

> > > with> > > > > our> > > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for> > the> > > nice> > > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.

> > Me> > > too> > > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > > > > Love and hugs,> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i> > never

> > > had> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is> a> > > good> > > > > post

> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/> > > depreciation> > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > " sreesog "

> > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for

> > > forwarding> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original> > reply!> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite> > > clear.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find> > Discos> > > > > > > > abhorrable.

> > > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest> > > other> > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > laughing.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers> I> > > have> > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a> few> > > from> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has

> > > gone> > > > > > > through> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied

> > here> > > > > > > writings,> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.> > He> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a

> > > > > > representative> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do

> not> > > agree> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > statement " However, like oil and water, the two don't

> > seem> > > to> > > > > > mix> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised

> > manner,> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > > > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like> > > persons> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is

> > what> > > I> > > > > have> > > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and

> I> > > have> > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,> > that> > > many> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of> > the> > > > > bhava> > > > > > > > > Chalit,

> > > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such> observations> > > which> > > > > > go> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > long

> > > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while> > predicting> > > in> > > > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects> of> > > every> > > > > > > > colour> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the> positives.> > > Same> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny

> side.> > > sure> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of> the> > > room.> > > > > > Till

> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected

> > > astrologer> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it> > does> > > seem> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning

> > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a

> > non-traditional> > > > > > > approach.> > > > > > > > Of> > > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to

> > follow> > > > > > whatever> > > > > > > > > path> > > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us

> > are> > > free> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the

> > > > > > astrological> > > > > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of> > dharma> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as> 'the> > > eye of> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the

> > > natal> > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as

> > > wisdom,> > > > > > > guru,> > > > > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house,

> or> > > its> > > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the

> > > > > > significations> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may

> find> > > > > someone> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or

> > > > > jyotish,> > > > > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional

> > teachers.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of> > > learning> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu

> > in> > > this> > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or

> > > someone> > > > > with> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of

> > > speech,> > > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated

> with> > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > etc..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from

> this> > > house.> > > > > > One> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun

> > in> > > this> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),

> > > > > exchanging> > > > > > > > signs> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or> offer> > > their> > > > > > > > services

> > > > > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and

> > > karaka> > > > > > (Mars)> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or

> > malefic> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be

> > > > > > significant> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the

> > > > > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and

> > > certainly,> > > > > if> > > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope,

> increases> > > > > > intuition> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's

> > > generally> > > > > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is

> > > that,> > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be

> the> > > > > stronger> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards

> the> > > > > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad

> > > BTW...simply> > > > > > > showing> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person

> towards> > > one> > > > > > path> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > other, or

> > > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines> (equally)> > > on> > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > traditional and

> > > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and> > > water,> > > > > the> > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will

> > remember> > > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew

> > followed> > > the> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > method> > > > > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups

> > speaking> > > out> > > > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away

> > from> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that

> > astrology> > > > > simply> > > > > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't

> > > shine.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be> covered> > by> > > > > > clouds

> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there

> may> > > often> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark

> and> > > > > gloomy;> > > > > > > but,> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

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April 1, 2010

Again a misinterpretation by Your goodself.

You have been under a defective comprehensions that I have any apprehensions for the other languages.

I love all, including bengali, telugu, Konkani and any one .

Its the matter of a common language which

we are talking about which almost all understand

(except a few who have no shame though staying in India, but living

in their own tiny selfish worlds.)

.. And the only name that comes to our mind'

when we talk of a big geographical Region-Country, then it comes

of Hindi -

Words like "Superior" or "inferior" never come to my mind also, so forget mouthing or writing these, when it comes to talking about languages.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar-ji,> > I understand what you are trying to say. But I beg to differ.> > I respect all the languages equally. So do most of the people.> > But your comprehension that 'Hindi is the National languages and others are Regional languages"> and hence Hindi is above par is not acceptable. Also comparing Hindi to sky and other languages> to small piece of land .....not in very good taste either.> > You are not even respecting Indian Constitution which gives equal status to all major languages> (including Hindi ) and term them as "national languages" ---- not as "regional languages". Hindi is> additionally an Official language along with English. That's all.> > We learn many languages because that helps us in communication. That's all. I learnt Hindi when> the need arose...not before that. Same with English. If posted in AP or TN for a long time, I will also> learn Telugu or Tamil.> > Let us respect our mother tongues ....but let not say that it is superior to x/y/z language and thereby> insult those languages.> > Please note that a language only flourishes with strong support ...which may be Royal / Govt. / Intelligentia.> Sanskrit / Farsi / Urdu had flourished at past with same reason. So does English and Hindi. If China becomes> only Super Power, we will learn Chinese too. So a language (Hindi) flourishing need not mean that other> languages are inferior.> > The politicians who could not think beyond Hindi belt --- intentionally popularized the mis-concept that Hindi> is "The National Language". This zingoism has created more hurdles for spread of this beautiful language.> Probably you are under the same mis-conception.> > regards> > > Chakraborty> > > > > ________________________________> On Behalf Of Bhaskar> Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:34 PM> > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > Do not try to compare the sky with a small piece of Land.> > Hindi is a Nationally accepted language. How can you compare it ewith regional languages ? This is absurd comparisons.> > I have watched only 3 South indian films till date because I do not understand the language.> > One was "Shankarabharanam" and the the other was "Shiva" both in Telugu. And even a kid knows that all Telugu people watch Hindi movies but not all Hindi knowing would watch a Telugu one. So again if You are not able to digest theres a problem in the intestinal functionabilities and not with the food you are trying to gulp down.> > The Pundits whom our anestors have show our Kundlis as well as our Parents, have gone to Hindi our South Indian speaking Pundits and not English speaking. Right ?> > You have accepted that exact translation is a very difficult thing, is what I wanted to say all along. Sometimes one wishes to express his moods in the same language the thoughts have come, and nothing wrong in that, as long as I am not putting Nepali, French, marathi, Malyalee, or Telugu over here.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > , "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar-ji,> >> > I don't think anybody has dislike / bias against Hindi per se.> >> > And I have noticed that may be 2% of times you do use Hindi...> > which is acceptable because people find it easier to express in their> > mother tongue. Bit would you accept it if somebody starts writing> > in Telugu or Tamil or Bengali ?> >> > But your other points...I find difficult to digest. Many of my friends> > used to watch Assamese films while they were in Assam..sometimes> > even Nepali films, without knowing the language. So people would watch> > Hindi movie even if they don't understand Hindi ....and would not watch> > South Indian films.... difficult to digest.> >> > Yes, ancient astrology was not written in English - Nor written in Hindi.> >> > People like me (non-Hindi speaking) find it easier to read & write English.> > Speaking / listening to any language is different than reading/writing the same.> >> > Exact translation is a very difficult thing....I remember watching a James Bond> > movie with Hindi sub-titles. The sub-titles killed all the enjoyment. An example :> >> > James Bond trying to kill a man in a toilet of a moving train. He goes to top side> > of the toilet....hangs upside down and fires a bullet with a comment -> >> > "Sorry, 'could not knock." - The same was translated as :> >> > "Mein Dukhit hoon ki mein darwaja khat-khatwa nehin"> >> >> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:50 PM> > > > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> >> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > Hindi is a commonly acceptable language, no doubts about this. Those not> > knowing Hindi language well, will still go to watch Hindi movies, While> > those not knowing South Indian languages would never go to watch a movie> > in a South Indian language. In same way those who do not know English> > would never go to watch a English movie, because certain movies in> > American spoken english, even we cannot understand properly what they> > are speaking, save for those smooching scenes which they do when they> > get up in the morning and indulge in without brushing their teeth or> > kissing when happy, kissing when crying, or kissing when going out of> > room , or kissing when coming in. This is all the English we normally> > understand in English movies...> >> > This is a Group where work is done in English, but was Ancient Asrology> > done or wrritten or spoken in English ? Then why so much bias against> > Hindi ? I agree that we must use the English language for conversations> > here considering the Cosmopolitan membership here, but this does not> > mean that once in a while we cannot express our feelings in the commonly> > understood language - Hindi ? At times one is able to express better in> > the Home language.> >> > Try to translate this in English -> >> > Tum mujhe acchi lagti ho, unke paas jao aur unko kaho yeh baat, ki aapki> > beti ko main pasand karte hain.. uske baad mere pass aao aur batao ki> > unhone kya kaha...> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>, "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected sree Kursija ji,> > > //May I request you please do not raise the issue of language.//> > > why not sir?I raised it since some one did not heed to many pleas many> > > times.That post was directed to me in hindi and i am supposed to> > respond> > > just as i am responding to you.I responded but not reacted.I am afraid> > > you are reacting.I know language is sensitive issue whether national> > or> > > international.I responded on behalf of others aswell who were> > requesting> > > the same for long.I am restraining myself here.......> > > //The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and other> > > languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. //> > > I dont know and i am not sure.> > > //Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you> > refer> > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> > > only will to learn.> > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.//> > > How can you say that which means those who did not know hindi are NOT> > > LEARNED!!!!Will to learn is one's own freedom.We got freedom i believe> > > long back.At least we all have freedom of speach and expression.It did> > > not hurt me for sure.But i am sure it hurts many.For your kind> > > information i know hindi.It does not mean that every indian should> > > know!!!...I dont know what truth you are talking about?!!!...> > > Lastly i want to know why should we write hindi when we know english> > in> > > an english language group?That's all my question......I am not> > > supporting any particular language here........why dont we stick to> > > english in an english language group just as we should stick to hindi> > in> > > hindi language group?> > > Regards,> > > gopi.> > >> > > <%40>, "S.C. Kursija"> > > sckursija@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Sh. Gopal Krishana Ji,> > > > May I request you please do not raise the issue of language. Any> > > language is the medium of communication. You must be knowingÂ> > > Sanskrit. The Hindi is nothing but the mixture of Sanskrit, Urdu and> > > other languages spoken in India even English and Telgu. Whether you> > > accept it as national language or not it is widely spoken in India.> > > Every learned citizen of India more or less knows Hindi. As you refer> > > dictionary for English you can refer dictionary for Hindi also. It is> > > only will to learn.> > > > I beg pardon if it hurt any body. But it is only truth.> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > Re: Tradition v/s non tradition> > > > <%40>> > > > Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:53 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I dont understand hindi well as i am also a telugu guy like you.This> > > is an english language group and remember the requests of> > many!!...Hindi> > > is not our national language (yet)....... either... .> > > > Love ,regards,hugs and everything you want;> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Gopi ji Sreenadhji ko, Love bhi likho na, sirf Hugs se kya hoga..> > > > >> > > > > aur mujhe bhi likho na , Love and hugs...main bhi boora aadmi> > nahin> > > > > hoon, sirf kabhi kabhi khopdi apni jagah se khisak jaati hai> > > oherwise> > > > > normally main baaki sab se toh accha hoon..> > > > >> > > > > Love and hugs and regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks a lot Sreenadh ji....> > > > > > hugs and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > > sreesog@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > > That was truly a good post, and thanks to you for forwarding.> > > Even> > > > > > if> > > > > > > it was me who saw that message, me too would have forwarded> > that> > > to> > > > > > this> > > > > > > group. I truly appreciate it. When we find something good and> > > > > useful,> > > > > > > we all (as members of this astro group) feel like sharing it> > > with> > > > > our> > > > > > > friends, and that is how we should be be. Thanks to you for> > the> > > nice> > > > > > > post and please keep continue forwarding such good messages.> > Me> > > too> > > > > > > does the same when ever I find a good message.> > > > > > > Love and hugs,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > thanks to you as well for apreciation of both.In fact i> > never> > > had> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > purpose etc Bhaskar ji was questioning. I just felt it is a> > > good> > > > > post> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be sent across.In fact i dont deserve any apreciation/> > > depreciation> > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > those thoughts are not mine in that post......> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "sreesog"> > > > > sreesog@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > Good mails from both of you. Thanks to Gopi ji for> > > forwarding> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > mail, and thanks to Bhaskar ji for that nice original> > reply!> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The purpose of posting this message here is not quite> > > clear.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What message is being attempted to send across ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What point is being tried to emphasised ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Many people who have not learnt to dance ever, find> > Discos> > > > > > > > abhorrable.> > > > > > > > > > Many who have not learnt to smile ever, cannot digest> > > other> > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > laughing.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy is one of the best traditional Astrologers I> > > have> > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > > across. She is the only one I would vouch for save a few> > > from> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > Indian> > > > > > > > > > lot, for referring a freinds chart to somebody.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > And by the way she knows what is KP astrology. She has> > > gone> > > > > > > through> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > grind of almost all systems as far as I have studied> > here> > > > > > > writings,> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > am aware of.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Forget Mr. andrews, He is not an authority to comment.> > He> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > milestone to judge the kms on the road. he is not a> > > > > > representative> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the whole can.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > While aggreeing to all mentioned in this post - I do not> > > agree> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > statement "However, like oil and water, the two don't> > seem> > > to> > > > > > mix> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > well. " If she has mentioned this in a generlised> > manner,> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > apparently she has, with full credit to her, then I> > > > > > wholeheartedly> > > > > > > > > agree> > > > > > > > > > to her. But there are exceptions in this world, like> > > persons> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > who can and know how to mix these well, and which is> > what> > > I> > > > > have> > > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > > doing since last 3 years sojourn on these forums. and I> > > have> > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > > successful to a great extent and proud of this fact,> > that> > > many> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > members have through my writings realised the value of> > the> > > > > bhava> > > > > > > > > Chalit,> > > > > > > > > > nakshatra system of approach, and many such observations> > > which> > > > > > go> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > way in turning one towards more precesion while> > predicting> > > in> > > > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We have a habit to cling towards the negative aspects of> > > every> > > > > > > > colour> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the spectrum and have forgotten to enjoy the positives.> > > Same> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Astrology. Let us also learn to look at the sunny side.> > > sure> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > brightness is seen from some or the other corner of the> > > room.> > > > > > Till> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar is there do not bother about the darkness.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > > > i am po(a)sting here a message from a respected> > > astrologer> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > > > > group which i find worthy.....> > > > > > > > > > > //Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure this is not a new phenomenon, it> > does> > > seem> > > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > > increasing trend in this day and age for burgeoning> > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching in favor of a> > non-traditional> > > > > > > approach.> > > > > > > > Of> > > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > everyone, as dictated by their karma, is free to> > follow> > > > > > whatever> > > > > > > > > path> > > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > choose without condemnation. ..after all none of us> > are> > > free> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > grip of> > > > > > > > > > > karma. My only interest here is to investigate the> > > > > > astrological> > > > > > > > > > > influences that> > > > > > > > > > > support either traditional or non-traditional views.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > First to consider, of course, is the 9th house of> > dharma> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > vedic sciences, including what is referred to as 'the> > > eye of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > veda'> > > > > > > > > > > (jyotish)> > > > > > > > > > > as well as ayurveda which is closely linked with the> > > natal> > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This auspicious house also signifies such things as> > > wisdom,> > > > > > > guru,> > > > > > > > > > > religion,> > > > > > > > > > > faith and so forth. Naturally enough if this house, or> > > its> > > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > > (Jupiter), is> > > > > > > > > > > weak or afflicted (by conjunction or aspect) the> > > > > > significations> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > suffer in> > > > > > > > > > > proportion to the level of affliction and we may find> > > > > someone> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > turns> > > > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > > from traditional teaching, whether it be religion or> > > > > jyotish,> > > > > > > > > favoring> > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > unconventional paths over those of traditional> > teachers.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Another important house to consider is 2nd house of> > > learning> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > speech.> > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > house signifies education as well as educators. Rahu> > in> > > this> > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > instance, can indicate breaks in education and/or> > > someone> > > > > with> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > > compulsion to be an educator. As the significator of> > > speech,> > > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > > > also needs> > > > > > > > > > > to be considered here i.e. is Mercury associated with> > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > etc..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The quality of our imagination is also seen from this> > > house.> > > > > > One> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > India's> > > > > > > > > > > greatest poets, Rabindranath Tagore, has exalted Sun> > in> > > this> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus whilst karaka (lagnesh Jupiter),> > > > > exchanging> > > > > > > > signs> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > > > > > gets exalted in 5th house of literary works.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > As so many astrologers today communicate and/or offer> > > their> > > > > > > > services> > > > > > > > > > via> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > internet, 3rd house of (written) communication and> > > karaka> > > > > > (Mars)> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > need to be> > > > > > > > > > > considered in terms of placement/dignity and/or> > malefic> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction/ aspect.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Many people consider 8th house (12th from 9th) to be> > > > > > significant> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > terms of> > > > > > > > > > > astrology. I agree, but more-so in regards to the> > > > > > > non-traditional> > > > > > > > > > > approach. This> > > > > > > > > > > house, as we know, is associated with tantra and> > > certainly,> > > > > if> > > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > > > fortified> > > > > > > > > > > and supported by the rest of the horoscope, increases> > > > > > intuition> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > favors> > > > > > > > > > > moksha. However, in the context of jyotish, it's> > > generally> > > > > > > > > recognised> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > different from the vedic tradition. My view here is> > > that,> > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > traditional> > > > > > > > > > > wisdom/religion to prevail, 9th house needs to be the> > > > > stronger> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > two. No> > > > > > > > > > > doubt 9th lord in 8th lends more emphasis towards the> > > > > > > > > non-traditional.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not judging this to be either good or bad> > > BTW...simply> > > > > > > showing> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > astrological pointers that could lead a person towards> > > one> > > > > > path> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > other, or> > > > > > > > > > > even a blend of the two. The same Sun shines (equally)> > > on> > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > traditional and> > > > > > > > > > > non-traditional astrologers. However, like oil and> > > water,> > > > > the> > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > > > > seem to> > > > > > > > > > > mix very well.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of our long-standing members will> > remember> > > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn,> > > > > > > > > > > a student of the late Pundit Navaratnam. Andrew> > followed> > > the> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > method> > > > > > > > > > > and was,> > > > > > > > > > > at one time, quite active on the various groups> > speaking> > > out> > > > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > > traditional astrologers. Apparently he turned away> > from> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > > altogether a> > > > > > > > > > > couple of years ago stating emphatically that> > astrology> > > > > simply> > > > > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > > > work...to> > > > > > > > > > > me that's almost akin to saying that the Sun doesn't> > > shine.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Of course there are times when the Sun may be covered> > by> > > > > > clouds> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > time,> > > > > > > > > > > especially if you live in England; likewise there may> > > often> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > cloudy> > > > > > > > > > > days in> > > > > > > > > > > the life of astrologers when all seems to be dark and> > > > > gloomy;> > > > > > > but,> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > the Sun,> > > > > > > > > > > it's only a passing phase. Truth is eternal...> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > > > > Mrs.Wendy> > > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com <http://jyotishvidya .com/>> > > > > > > > > > > ============ =======//> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> >> > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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