Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Dev ji,I am surprised at your response.//I would request to run quiz on real examples//These are REAL examples. What else is real? //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed.// If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to hundreds of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form your opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on charts you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've shaken the whole learning system of astrology. //Where is the analysis of book? //Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a book. It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly or for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they are not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for saying so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and reject an information from such a renowned source. If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if I give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! RegardsNeelam On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex wrote: Neelamji, Where is the analysis of book? Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed. Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really interesting but has to be real examples. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. Sh > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two similar > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two > destinies. > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can also > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would > change, > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising which > planet gains priority at what time of life > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in life's > patterns. > > *From the information given in the book:* > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > government official. > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in > 1987. > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after him. > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His father > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > predicted education and profession for both. > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent > analysis in support!* > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Gopi ji,So sorry about this. Yes you had said that case 1 could be in govt in high position. Actually I was not getting into all statements by everyone and overall felt that Sonia ji is majorly right, and said so. This was meant to be a quiz, otherwise I would've given comments on everyone's readings and statements. //I have a Chart of Sachin with D.O.B 24th and all other details are same which i think i have taken from astrological magazine long ago from a letter written by one claiming as sachin's friend!//Could be, as 24th is the most widely circulated date. If you read the article by Manoj Pathak ji, he has given that data was handed over personally by Sachin's father to Yogi Karve for predictions when Sachin had not even entered his teens and had asked whether Sachin would be playing cricket along with Ajit, his elder son. At that time, Yogi karve had pointed to the younger child and said that he would be a great and world famous player. Yogi Karve's daughter Pinky had herself passed the details to Sh KN Rao. Hope that helps. Sh KN Rao has always been magnanimous to share authentic information openly and freely with all students and learners of astrology. RegardsNeelamOn 25 February 2010 11:11, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: Dear Neelam ji,thanks for the info.//Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking government official.//if i am not wrong i remember to have said the person could be in a high position in govt as well.Any way doesnt matter,perhaps it is my destiny,in a lighter vein pl.....No qualms... I have a Chart of Sachin with D.O.B 24th and all other details are same which i think i have taken from astrological magazine long ago from a letter written by one claiming as sachin's friend!!But anyway that chart is also showing almost same results so far... for ex..The dasa at present is Rah-ven-Mer-Ketu!!Rahu/ketu axis with Mo getting reversed in transit;ven with sun and jup the7L of position giver and4L of comfirt in 6H of competition and 3H of sport from MO while Mer1,10 in 5th with exal nat mars in mutual asp with deb and retro mars in 11th H of gains and 8H of surprises from nat MO!!!.... Anyway when it comes out of horse's mouth i do agree and take it for granted.......Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear All,> > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. Sh> Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two similar> charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two> destinies.> > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can also> come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would> change,> > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising which> planet gains priority at what time of life > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in life's> patterns.> > *From the information given in the book:*> > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > government official.> He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest> sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in> 1987.> > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after him.> He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His father> was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly> predicted education and profession for both.> Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent > analysis in support!*> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 DEAR DEV JI AND OTHER FRIENDS,Neelamji is right.Even if person comes for consultations ,sometimes the data given by him needs rectification.I was in close contact with Mr. K.N.Rao during theperiod 1978 t0 1994. He was very careful and quoting examples after due varification.This can not be denied that there are always more than one birth datas are in circulation of some famous persons.In such cased ,a astrologer has to make his own assessment before using the available data, as inthe case of Mr. Tandulkaror Swami Vivekananda ji.In the case of present two examples , the relevant point is if analysis given in the book is correct. I feel Mr. Raohad done full justice.I am not defending Neelam ji , as there is no need to do it.We may have two opinions.Regards,G. K. Goel address: L-409 Sarita Vihar, New Delhi - 110076 tel: 011-26943689, 011-41403352, mobile: 09350311433 From: neelamgupta07Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:53:45 +0530Re: Re: Destiny!! Dear Dev ji,I am surprised at your response.//I would request to run quiz on real examples//These are REAL examples. What else is real? //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed.// If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to hundreds of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form your opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on charts you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've shaken the whole learning system of astrology. //Where is the analysis of book? //Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a book. It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly or for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they are not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for saying so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and reject an information from such a renowned source. If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if I give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! RegardsNeelam On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex > wrote: Neelamji, Where is the analysis of book? Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed. Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really interesting but has to be real examples. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. Sh > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two similar > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two > destinies. > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can also > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would > change, > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising which > planet gains priority at what time of life > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in life's > patterns. > > *From the information given in the book:* > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > government official. > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in > 1987. > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after him. > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His father > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > predicted education and profession for both. > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent > analysis in support!* > > Regards > Neelam > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Neelam Ji//Could be, as 24th is the most widely circulated date. If you read the article by Manoj Pathak ji, he has given that data was handed over personally by Sachin's father to Yogi Karve for predictions when Sachin had not even entered his teens and had asked whether Sachin would be playing cricket along with Ajit, his elder son. At that time, Yogi karve had pointed to the younger child and said that he would be a great and world famous player. Yogi Karve's daughter Pinky had herself passed the details to Sh KN Rao. //I read sometime ago about a person called Karve guruji who is capable of telling date of birth and time of birth of people who seek his help.If it is the same person discussed here,i do not understand why Yogi Karve needs Sachin's father to give the birth data or time when he is capable of finding by himself.Is it really true that he can give birth details looking at the face of beholder of chart?will he be able to rectify TOB for a person with doubtful birthtime Any first hand experinces from forum membersThanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Thu, 2/25/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 6:37 AM Dear Gopi ji,So sorry about this. Yes you had said that case 1 could be in govt in high position. Actually I was not getting into all statements by everyone and overall felt that Sonia ji is majorly right, and said so. This was meant to be a quiz, otherwise I would've given comments on everyone's readings and statements. //I have a Chart of Sachin with D.O.B 24th and all other details are same which i think i have taken from astrological magazine long ago from a letter written by one claiming as sachin's friend!//Could be, as 24th is the most widely circulated date. If you read the article by Manoj Pathak ji, he has given that data was handed over personally by Sachin's father to Yogi Karve for predictions when Sachin had not even entered his teens and had asked whether Sachin would be playing cricket along with Ajit, his elder son. At that time, Yogi karve had pointed to the younger child and said that he would be a great and world famous player. Yogi Karve's daughter Pinky had herself passed the details to Sh KN Rao. Hope that helps. Sh KN Rao has always been magnanimous to share authentic information openly and freely with all students and learners of astrology. RegardsNeelamOn 25 February 2010 11:11, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote: Dear Neelam ji,thanks for the info.//Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking government official.//if i am not wrong i remember to have said the person could be in a high position in govt as well.Any way doesnt matter,perhaps it is my destiny,in a lighter vein pl.....No qualms... I have a Chart of Sachin with D.O.B 24th and all other details are same which i think i have taken from astrological magazine long ago from a letter written by one claiming as sachin's friend!!But anyway that chart is also showing almost same results so far... for ex..The dasa at present is Rah-ven-Mer- Ketu!!Rahu/ketu axis with Mo getting reversed in transit;ven with sun and jup the7L of position giver and4L of comfirt in 6H of competition and 3H of sport from MO while Mer1,10 in 5th with exal nat mars in mutual asp with deb and retro mars in 11th H of gains and 8H of surprises from nat MO!!!.... Anyway when it comes out of horse's mouth i do agree and take it for granted..... ..Regards,gopi. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: >> Dear All,> > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. Sh> Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two similar> charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two> destinies.> > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can also> come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would> change,> > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising which> planet gains priority at what time of life > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in life's> patterns.> > *From the information given in the book:*> > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > government official.> He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest> sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in> 1987.> > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after him.> He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His father> was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly> predicted education and profession for both.> Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent > analysis in support!*> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you can provide Why I asked for analysis from you: With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level. When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have written High level Govt official with PG in History. Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > I am surprised at your response. > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies its > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed.// > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to hundreds > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form your > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on charts > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've shaken > the whole learning system of astrology. > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a book. > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly or > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they are > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for saying > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and reject > an information from such a renowned source. > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if I > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, would > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can not > > be guaranteed. > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really interesting > > but has to be real examples. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. > > Sh > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two > > similar > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two > > > destinies. > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can > > also > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would > > > change, > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising > > which > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in > > life's > > > patterns. > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > > > government official. > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in > > > 1987. > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after > > him. > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His > > father > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Neelam ji,absolutely no need to feel sorry in my case as i take things lite as i myself am heavy!!!ha,ha.....just lough it off.(about destiny)!!!//Hope that helps. Sh KN Rao has always been magnanimous to share authentic> information openly and freely with all students and learners of astrology.//yes i know............Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > So sorry about this. Yes you had said that case 1 could be in govt in high> position. Actually I was not getting into all statements by everyone and> overall felt that Sonia ji is majorly right, and said so. This was meant to> be a quiz, otherwise I would've given comments on everyone's readings and> statements.> > *//I have a Chart of Sachin with D.O.B 24th and all other details are same> which i think i have taken from astrological magazine long ago from a letter> written by one claiming as sachin's friend!*//> Could be, as 24th is the most widely circulated date. If you read the> article by Manoj Pathak ji, he has given that data was handed over> personally by Sachin's father to Yogi Karve for predictions when Sachin had> not even entered his teens and had asked whether Sachin would be playing> cricket along with Ajit, his elder son. At that time, Yogi karve had pointed> to the younger child and said that he would be a great and world famous> player. Yogi Karve's daughter Pinky had herself passed the details to Sh KN> Rao.> > Hope that helps. Sh KN Rao has always been magnanimous to share authentic> information openly and freely with all students and learners of astrology.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > On 25 February 2010 11:11, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote:> > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > thanks for the info.> > //*Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking> > government official.//*> > if i am not wrong i remember to have said the person could be in a high> > position in govt as well.Any way doesnt matter,perhaps it is my destiny,in a> > lighter vein pl.....No qualms...> > I have a Chart of Sachin with D.O.B 24th and all other details are> > same which i think i have taken from astrological magazine long ago from a> > letter written by one claiming as sachin's friend!!But anyway that chart is> > also showing almost same results so far...> > for ex..The dasa at present is Rah-ven-Mer-Ketu!!> > Rahu/ketu axis with Mo getting reversed in transit;ven with sun and jup> > the7L of position giver and4L of comfirt in 6H of competition and 3H of> > sport from MO while Mer1,10 in 5th with exal nat mars in mutual asp with deb> > and retro mars in 11th H of gains and 8H of surprises from nat MO!!!....> > Anyway when it comes out of horse's mouth i do agree and take it for> > granted.......> > Regards,> > gopi.> > *> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao.> > Sh> > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two> > similar> > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will> > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two> > > destinies.> > >> > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can> > also> > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha> > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would> > > change,> > >> > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising> > which> > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > >> > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in> > life's> > > patterns.> > >> > > *From the information given in the book:*> > >> > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking> > > government official.> > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest> > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in> > > 1987.> > >> > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an> > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after> > him.> > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His> > father> > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > >> > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > >> > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly> > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent> > > analysis in support!*> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Manoj Ji,Thanks a lot. I am also on the path of learning. Regards,SoniaManoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Sent: Thu, 25 February, 2010 11:04:15 AMRe: Re: Destiny!! Dear Sonia Ji, I went back and read you analysis carefully. Excellent work indeed. Much to learn from it, for me. Regards, -Manoj Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyWed, February 24, 2010 9:28:13 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! Dear Neelam Ji,Thanks for the details. Regards,Sonia neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, 25 February, 2010 12:04:36 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! Dear All,I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. Sh Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two similar charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two destinies.Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can also come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would change,Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising which planet gains priority at what time of lifeJaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in life’s patterns. From the information given in the book:Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking government official.He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in 1987.Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after him. He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His father was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly predicted education and profession for both.Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent analysis in support!RegardsNeelam Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of knowledge in those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and give barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available and mostly it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much hand written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it could've been preserved since ages? We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and imagine the state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL operations!! Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel is right. :-)Best wishesNeelamOn 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex <axeplex wrote: Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you can provide Why I asked for analysis from you: With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level. When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have written High level Govt official with PG in History. Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > I am surprised at your response. > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies its > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed.// > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to hundreds > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form your > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on charts > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've shaken > the whole learning system of astrology. > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a book. > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly or > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they are > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for saying > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and reject > an information from such a renowned source. > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if I > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, would > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can not > > be guaranteed. > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really interesting > > but has to be real examples. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > <%40>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. > > Sh > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two > > similar > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two > > > destinies. > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can > > also > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would > > > change, > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising > > which > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in > > life's > > > patterns. > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > > > government official. > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in > > > 1987. > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after > > him. > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His > > father > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Gopal Krishna Ji,Thank you. I believe all the learned Astrologers made an excellent attempt. Regards,Soniagopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Sent: Thu, 25 February, 2010 10:49:00 AMSubject: Re: Destiny!! Dear Sonia ji,HEARTY CONGRATULATIONS. ....Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Neelam Ji,> > Thanks for the details. > > Regards,> > Sonia> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, 25 February, 2010 12:04:36 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > > Dear All,> > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N Rao. Sh Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two similar charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points will change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the two destinies.> > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we can also come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing ayanamsha should produce different divisional charts and obviously results would change,> > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising which planet gains priority at what time of life> > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in life’s patterns.> > From the information given in the book:> > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking government official.> He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies in 1987.> > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after him. He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His father was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly predicted education and profession for both.> Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an excellent analysis in support!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt related job in case 1. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of knowledge in > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and give > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available and mostly > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much hand > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it could've > been preserved since ages? > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and imagine the > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL operations!! > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel is > right. :-) > > Best wishes > Neelam > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you > > can provide > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level. > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies > > its > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed.// > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to > > hundreds > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form > > your > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on > > charts > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've > > shaken > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a > > book. > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly > > or > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they > > are > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for > > saying > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and > > reject > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if > > I > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, > > would > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can > > not > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > interesting > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>, > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N > > Rao. > > > > Sh > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two > > > > similar > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points > > will > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the > > two > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we > > can > > > > also > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing > > ayanamsha > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results > > would > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising > > > > which > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in > > > > life's > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > > > > > government official. > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies > > in > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after > > > > him. > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His > > > > father > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an > > excellent > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Dev ji, I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. I do not know whether we are in a position to question the validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's own abilities. Well done Sonia and Keep it up. best wishes, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM Re: Destiny!! Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt related job in case 1.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of knowledge in> those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and give> barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available and mostly> it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much hand> written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it could've> been preserved since ages?> > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were> sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and imagine the> state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL operations!!> > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel is> right. :-)> > Best wishes> Neelam> > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex <axeplex > wrote:> > >> >> > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I> > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I> > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you> > can provide> >> > Why I asked for analysis from you:> >> > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis> > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job> > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level.> >> > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have> > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> >> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev ji,> > >> > > I am surprised at your response.> > >> > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > >> > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies> > its> > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ /> > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great> > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we> > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to> > hundreds> > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form> > your> > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on> > charts> > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've> > shaken> > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > >> > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a> > book.> > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly> > or> > > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they> > are> > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for> > saying> > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and> > reject> > > an information from such a renowned source.> > >> > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > >> > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if> > I> > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Neelamji,> > > >> > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real> > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one,> > would> > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can> > not> > > > be guaranteed.> > > >> > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal> > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really> > interesting> > > > but has to be real examples.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N> > Rao.> > > > Sh> > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two> > > > similar> > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points> > will> > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the> > two> > > > > destinies.> > > > >> > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we> > can> > > > also> > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing> > ayanamsha> > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results> > would> > > > > change,> > > > >> > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising> > > > which> > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > >> > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in> > > > life's> > > > > patterns.> > > > >> > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > >> > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking> > > > > government official.> > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest> > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies> > in> > > > > 1987.> > > > >> > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an> > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after> > > > him.> > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His> > > > father> > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > >> > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > >> > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly> > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an> > excellent> > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Manojji, I can appreciate everybody if it helps. In my first post, I have appreciated her on analysis approach. What astrological explanation I should give? If I have failed, I have failed. If you want me to give an analysis justifying the results given by Neelamji, I can come back by weekend. That way even I can say I succeeded a bit on engineering part for case 2 and govt related part for case 1 (Scientist) but it does not help in reality and if I can be happy with this I am making fool of myself and nobody else. Moreover, what about learning and discussion. If we accept everything closing our eyes, it does not help. I personally respect Soniaji , Neelamji and many others but sorry, I can't keep my eyes closed. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's own abilities. > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > best wishes, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > Re: Destiny!! > > Â > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt related job in case 1. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of knowledge in > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and give > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available and mostly > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much hand > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it could've > > been preserved since ages? > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and imagine the > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL operations!! > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel is > > right. :-) > > > > Best wishes > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you > > > can provide > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level. > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies > > > its > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to > > > hundreds > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form > > > your > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on > > > charts > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've > > > shaken > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a > > > book. > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly > > > or > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they > > > are > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for > > > saying > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and > > > reject > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if > > > I > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, > > > would > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can > > > not > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > interesting > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N > > > Rao. > > > > > Sh > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two > > > > > similar > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points > > > will > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the > > > two > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we > > > can > > > > > also > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results > > > would > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising > > > > > which > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in > > > > > life's > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies > > > in > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after > > > > > him. > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His > > > > > father > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an > > > excellent > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear DevJI, //Moreover, what about learning and discussion// very nice and correct --examples are quite good ------------------ Regards, Devisingh axeplex wrote: Manojji, I can appreciate everybody if it helps. In my first post, I have appreciated her on analysis approach. What astrological explanation I should give? If I have failed, I have failed. If you want me to give an analysis justifying the results given by Neelamji, I can come back by weekend. That way even I can say I succeeded a bit on engineering part for case 2 and govt related part for case 1 (Scientist) but it does not help in reality and if I can be happy with this I am making fool of myself and nobody else. Moreover, what about learning and discussion. If we accept everything closing our eyes, it does not help. I personally respect Soniaji , Neelamji and many others but sorry, I can't keep my eyes closed. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's own abilities. > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > best wishes, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > Re: Destiny!! > > Â > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt related job in case 1. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of knowledge in > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and give > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available and mostly > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much hand > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it could've > > been preserved since ages? > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and imagine the > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL operations!! > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel is > > right. :-) > > > > Best wishes > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you > > > can provide > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level. > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies > > > its > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to > > > hundreds > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form > > > your > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on > > > charts > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've > > > shaken > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a > > > book. > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly > > > or > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they > > > are > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for > > > saying > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and > > > reject > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if > > > I > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, > > > would > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can > > > not > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > interesting > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N > > > Rao. > > > > > Sh > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two > > > > > similar > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points > > > will > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the > > > two > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we > > > can > > > > > also > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results > > > would > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising > > > > > which > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in > > > > > life's > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies > > > in > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after > > > > > him. > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His > > > > > father > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an > > > excellent > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 I agree, In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing with both unknown identities. If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then ... a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and argued against, is wrong. Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's own abilities. > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > best wishes, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex axeplex > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > Re: Destiny!! > > Â > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt related job in case 1. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of knowledge in > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and give > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available and mostly > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much hand > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it could've > > been preserved since ages? > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and imagine the > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL operations!! > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel is > > right. :-) > > > > Best wishes > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you > > > can provide > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level. > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies > > > its > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to > > > hundreds > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form > > > your > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on > > > charts > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've > > > shaken > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a > > > book. > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly > > > or > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they > > > are > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for > > > saying > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and > > > reject > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if > > > I > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one, > > > would > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can > > > not > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > interesting > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N > > > Rao. > > > > > Sh > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two > > > > > similar > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points > > > will > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the > > > two > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we > > > can > > > > > also > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results > > > would > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising > > > > > which > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in > > > > > life's > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies > > > in > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after > > > > > him. > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His > > > > > father > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an > > > excellent > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Bhaskrji, Please refer my answer to Manojji. To me, if Neelamji's results are authentic. (which many of members agree to), nobody has succeeded and let us accept it and learn from it rather than closing it with an analysis that has also failed. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > I agree, > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing > with both unknown identities. > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then > .. > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and > argued against, is wrong. > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's > own abilities. > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > Re: Destiny!! > > > > Â > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > related job in case 1. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > knowledge in > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and > give > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available > and mostly > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > hand > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it > could've > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > imagine the > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > operations!! > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel > is > > > right. :-) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the > classics. I > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > part. And I > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > better if you > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > analysis > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt > related job > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > education level. > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you > have > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that > justifies > > > > its > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by > great > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > questioned. If we > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring > to > > > > hundreds > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can > form > > > > your > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply > on > > > > charts > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. > You've > > > > shaken > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > analysis in a > > > > book. > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it > correctly > > > > or > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > saying they > > > > are > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning > for > > > > saying > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment > and > > > > reject > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > authentic. Even if > > > > I > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > quiz on real > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by > any one, > > > > would > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of > data can > > > > not > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have > same natal > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > > interesting > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by > Sh K N > > > > Rao. > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > differences in two > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following > points > > > > will > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference > in the > > > > two > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. > Here we > > > > can > > > > > > also > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > Changing > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > results > > > > would > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence > decising > > > > > > which > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > difference in > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > high ranking > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a > youngest > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > father dies > > > > in > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to > become an > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > sisters after > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > daughter. His > > > > > > father > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has > correctly > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with > an > > > > excellent > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Bhaskarji, Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > I agree, > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing > with both unknown identities. > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then > .. > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and > argued against, is wrong. > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's > own abilities. > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > Re: Destiny!! > > > > Â > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > related job in case 1. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > knowledge in > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and > give > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available > and mostly > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > hand > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it > could've > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > imagine the > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > operations!! > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel > is > > > right. :-) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the > classics. I > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > part. And I > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > better if you > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > analysis > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt > related job > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > education level. > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you > have > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that > justifies > > > > its > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by > great > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > questioned. If we > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring > to > > > > hundreds > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can > form > > > > your > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply > on > > > > charts > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. > You've > > > > shaken > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > analysis in a > > > > book. > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it > correctly > > > > or > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > saying they > > > > are > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning > for > > > > saying > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment > and > > > > reject > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > authentic. Even if > > > > I > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > quiz on real > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by > any one, > > > > would > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of > data can > > > > not > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have > same natal > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > > interesting > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by > Sh K N > > > > Rao. > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > differences in two > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following > points > > > > will > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference > in the > > > > two > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. > Here we > > > > can > > > > > > also > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > Changing > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > results > > > > would > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence > decising > > > > > > which > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > difference in > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > high ranking > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a > youngest > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > father dies > > > > in > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to > become an > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > sisters after > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > daughter. His > > > > > > father > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has > correctly > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with > an > > > > excellent > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Dev ji,There have been many quizzes in the past, not only here in this group, but elsewhere too where the success rate has been zero. That does not mean that we can or should question the data after the failure. No reading should be given without verifying the chart. And every astrologer has his ways of checking whether the chart seems to be correct or not. Data must be verified, but before the reading or prediction. RegardsNeelamOn 25 February 2010 15:55, axeplex <axeplex wrote: Bhaskrji, Please refer my answer to Manojji. To me, if Neelamji's results are authentic. (which many of members agree to), nobody has succeeded and let us accept it and learn from it rather than closing it with an analysis that has also failed. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > I agree, > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing > with both unknown identities. > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then > .. > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and > argued against, is wrong. > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's > own abilities. > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > Re: Destiny!! > > > > Â > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > related job in case 1. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > knowledge in > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and > give > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available > and mostly > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > hand > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it > could've > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > imagine the > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > operations!! > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel > is > > > right. :-) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the > classics. I > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > part. And I > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > better if you > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > analysis > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt > related job > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > education level. > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you > have > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that > justifies > > > > its > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by > great > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > questioned. If we > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring > to > > > > hundreds > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can > form > > > > your > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply > on > > > > charts > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. > You've > > > > shaken > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > analysis in a > > > > book. > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it > correctly > > > > or > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > saying they > > > > are > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning > for > > > > saying > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment > and > > > > reject > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > authentic. Even if > > > > I > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > quiz on real > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by > any one, > > > > would > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of > data can > > > > not > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have > same natal > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > > interesting > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by > Sh K N > > > > Rao. > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > differences in two > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following > points > > > > will > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference > in the > > > > two > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. > Here we > > > > can > > > > > > also > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > Changing > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > results > > > > would > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence > decising > > > > > > which > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > difference in > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > high ranking > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a > youngest > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > father dies > > > > in > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to > become an > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > sisters after > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > daughter. His > > > > > > father > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has > correctly > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with > an > > > > excellent > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Good Neelamji, now please provide your analysis or inputs so that all of us learn from it, an exercise where success rate is zero. I am thinking on a method where if quizzes are run, nobody would be able to raise doubts. I would come back on this, moment I get the idea. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > There have been many quizzes in the past, not only here in this group, but > elsewhere too where the success rate has been zero. That does not mean that > we can or should question the data after the failure. > > No reading should be given without verifying the chart. And every astrologer > has his ways of checking whether the chart seems to be correct or not. > Data must be verified, but before the reading or prediction. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > On 25 February 2010 15:55, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > > > > > Bhaskrji, > > > > Please refer my answer to Manojji. To me, if Neelamji's results are > > authentic. (which many of members agree to), nobody has succeeded and let us > > accept it and learn from it rather than closing it with an analysis that has > > also failed. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then > > > .. > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > Manoj Kumar > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > > > knowledge in > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and > > > give > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available > > > and mostly > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > > > hand > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it > > > could've > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > > > imagine the > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel > > > is > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the > > > classics. I > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > > > part. And I > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > > > better if you > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > analysis > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt > > > related job > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you > > > have > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that > > > justifies > > > > > > its > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by > > > great > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring > > > to > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can > > > form > > > > > > your > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply > > > on > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. > > > You've > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > analysis in a > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it > > > correctly > > > > > > or > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > > > saying they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning > > > for > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment > > > and > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by > > > any one, > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of > > > data can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have > > > same natal > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by > > > Sh K N > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following > > > points > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference > > > in the > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. > > > Here we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > > > Changing > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > > > results > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence > > > decising > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > > > difference in > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > > > father dies > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to > > > become an > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with > > > an > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Mr. Dev, No body is asking you to close your eyes. But its another thing that sometimes the eyes do close involuntarily when in front of dazzling light. Discussion, if it doesnt lead to enhancement of predictive skills, then such a discussion may not lead anyone anywhere, is my opinion. best wishes, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 4:02:02 PM Re: Destiny!! Bhaskarji,Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. regdsDev ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > I agree,> > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the> native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So> hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. .... I> just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id> made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing> with both unknown identities.> > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come " , then> ..> > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be> given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and> argued against, is wrong.> > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views,> propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making> it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth> in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn> law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar> <mouji99@> wrote:> >> > Dear Dev ji,> >> > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good> job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and> your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis,> she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation.> >> > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No> other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed> indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> >> > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level> and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then> credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get> near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's> own abilities.> >> > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> >> > best wishes,> >> > Mouji Ram> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex axeplex@> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> >> > Â> > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are> presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And> let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's> analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the> results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt> related job in case 1.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of> knowledge in> > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and> give> > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available> and mostly> > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much> hand> > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it> could've> > > been preserved since ages?> > >> > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were> > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and> imagine the> > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL> operations!!> > >> > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel> is> > > right. :-)> > >> > > Best wishes> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the> classics. I> > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory> part. And I> > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is> better if you> > > > can provide> > > >> > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > >> > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her> analysis> > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt> related job> > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's> education level.> > > >> > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you> have> > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > >> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_> astrology% 40. com>,> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > >> > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > >> > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > >> > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that> justifies> > > > its> > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ /> > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by> great> > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> questioned. If we> > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring> to> > > > hundreds> > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can> form> > > > your> > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply> on> > > > charts> > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them.> You've> > > > shaken> > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > >> > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative> analysis in a> > > > book.> > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it> correctly> > > > or> > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of> saying they> > > > are> > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning> for> > > > saying> > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment> and> > > > reject> > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > >> > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > >> > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> authentic. Even if> > > > I> > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question!> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run> quiz on real> > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by> any one,> > > > would> > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of> data can> > > > not> > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have> same natal> > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really> > > > interesting> > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > >> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by> Sh K N> > > > Rao.> > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> differences in two> > > > > > similar> > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following> points> > > > will> > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference> in the> > > > two> > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts.> Here we> > > > can> > > > > > also> > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not.> Changing> > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously> results> > > > would> > > > > > > change,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence> decising> > > > > > which> > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major> difference in> > > > > > life's> > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a> high ranking> > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a> youngest> > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His> father dies> > > > in> > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to> become an> > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more> sisters after> > > > > > him.> > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger> daughter. His> > > > > > father> > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has> correctly> > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with> an> > > > excellent> > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 That may be dazzling light for you but is not for me. Sorry, Mr. Manoj. regds DEv , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Mr. Dev, > > No body is asking you to close your eyes. But its another thing that sometimes the eyes do close involuntarily when in front of dazzling light. > > Discussion, if it doesnt lead to enhancement of predictive skills, then such a discussion may not lead anyone anywhere, is my opinion. > > best wishes, > > Mouji Ram > > >  > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Thu, February 25, 2010 4:02:02 PM > Re: Destiny!! > >  > Bhaskarji, > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I agree, > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. .... I > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing > > with both unknown identities. > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then > > .. > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's > > own abilities. > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > Â > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > > knowledge in > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and > > give > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available > > and mostly > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > > hand > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it > > could've > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > > imagine the > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > > operations!! > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel > > is > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the > > classics. I > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > > part. And I > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > > better if you > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > analysis > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt > > related job > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you > > have > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that > > justifies > > > > > its > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by > > great > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > questioned. If we > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring > > to > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can > > form > > > > > your > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply > > on > > > > > charts > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. > > You've > > > > > shaken > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > analysis in a > > > > > book. > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it > > correctly > > > > > or > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > > saying they > > > > > are > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning > > for > > > > > saying > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment > > and > > > > > reject > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > authentic. Even if > > > > > I > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > > quiz on real > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by > > any one, > > > > > would > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of > > data can > > > > > not > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have > > same natal > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by > > Sh K N > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > differences in two > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following > > points > > > > > will > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference > > in the > > > > > two > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. > > Here we > > > > > can > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > > Changing > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > > results > > > > > would > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence > > decising > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > > difference in > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > > high ranking > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a > > youngest > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > > father dies > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to > > become an > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > > sisters after > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > > daughter. His > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has > > correctly > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with > > an > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Dev ji, Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary to calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which his secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And all this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from a Guru like him.... best wishes, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > I agree, > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing > > with both unknown identities. > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then > > .. > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's > > own abilities. > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > Â > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > > knowledge in > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and > > give > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available > > and mostly > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > > hand > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it > > could've > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > > imagine the > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > > operations!! > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel > > is > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the > > classics. I > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > > part. And I > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > > better if you > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > analysis > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt > > related job > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you > > have > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that > > justifies > > > > > its > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by > > great > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > questioned. If we > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring > > to > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can > > form > > > > > your > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply > > on > > > > > charts > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. > > You've > > > > > shaken > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > analysis in a > > > > > book. > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it > > correctly > > > > > or > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > > saying they > > > > > are > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning > > for > > > > > saying > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment > > and > > > > > reject > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > authentic. Even if > > > > > I > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > > quiz on real > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by > > any one, > > > > > would > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of > > data can > > > > > not > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have > > same natal > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by > > Sh K N > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > differences in two > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following > > points > > > > > will > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference > > in the > > > > > two > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. > > Here we > > > > > can > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > > Changing > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > > results > > > > > would > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence > > decising > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > > difference in > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > > high ranking > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a > > youngest > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > > father dies > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to > > become an > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > > sisters after > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > > daughter. His > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has > > correctly > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with > > an > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear friends, It is a well known fact that in India politicians/sportmen/public figures/bollywood people do not generally share their birth times/dates publicly. An interesting case would be of Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee, former Prime Minister of India, whose horoscope has been discussed by various lagnas by various people with his year of birth being 1924, 1925 and 1926 and Tula Lagna and so on. But in his autobiography, his horoscope is given as Vrishchik Lagna which has been used for so many correct predictions over years. There are so many similar instances. The only way, a horoscope can be established, is by proving it with astrological arguments and future long range as well as short range predictions. regards, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 3:55:40 PM Re: Destiny!! Bhaskrji,Please refer my answer to Manojji. To me, if Neelamji's results are authentic. (which many of members agree to), nobody has succeeded and let us accept it and learn from it rather than closing it with an analysis that has also failed.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > I agree,> > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the> native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So> hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. .... I> just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id> made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing> with both unknown identities.> > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come " , then> ..> > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be> given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and> argued against, is wrong.> > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views,> propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making> it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth> in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn> law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar> <mouji99@> wrote:> >> > Dear Dev ji,> >> > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good> job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and> your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis,> she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation.> >> > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No> other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed> indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> >> > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level> and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then> credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get> near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's> own abilities.> >> > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> >> > best wishes,> >> > Mouji Ram> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex axeplex@> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> >> > Â> > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are> presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And> let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's> analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the> results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt> related job in case 1.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of> knowledge in> > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and> give> > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available> and mostly> > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much> hand> > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it> could've> > > been preserved since ages?> > >> > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were> > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and> imagine the> > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL> operations!!> > >> > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel> is> > > right. :-)> > >> > > Best wishes> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the> classics. I> > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory> part. And I> > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is> better if you> > > > can provide> > > >> > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > >> > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her> analysis> > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt> related job> > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's> education level.> > > >> > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you> have> > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > >> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_> astrology% 40. com>,> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > >> > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > >> > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > >> > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that> justifies> > > > its> > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ /> > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by> great> > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> questioned. If we> > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring> to> > > > hundreds> > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can> form> > > > your> > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply> on> > > > charts> > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them.> You've> > > > shaken> > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > >> > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative> analysis in a> > > > book.> > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it> correctly> > > > or> > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of> saying they> > > > are> > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning> for> > > > saying> > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment> and> > > > reject> > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > >> > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > >> > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> authentic. Even if> > > > I> > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question!> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run> quiz on real> > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by> any one,> > > > would> > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of> data can> > > > not> > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have> same natal> > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really> > > > interesting> > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > >> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by> Sh K N> > > > Rao.> > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> differences in two> > > > > > similar> > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following> points> > > > will> > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference> in the> > > > two> > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts.> Here we> > > > can> > > > > > also> > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not.> Changing> > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously> results> > > > would> > > > > > > change,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence> decising> > > > > > which> > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major> difference in> > > > > > life's> > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a> high ranking> > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a> youngest> > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His> father dies> > > > in> > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to> become an> > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more> sisters after> > > > > > him.> > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger> daughter. His> > > > > > father> > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has> correctly> > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with> an> > > > excellent> > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear ones,even if we analyse diferent data the astrologer's acumen could prove his point of view which does not mean it is(data) corect unless otherwise the trueth comes out SOMEHOW!!......TRUTH is one and one only ULTIMATE..!!Love and Regards,gopi. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Dear friends,> > It is a well known fact that in India politicians/sportmen/public figures/bollywood people do not generally share their birth times/dates publicly. > > An interesting case would be of Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee, former Prime Minister of India, whose horoscope has been discussed by various lagnas by various people with his year of birth being 1924, 1925 and 1926 and Tula Lagna and so on. But in his autobiography, his horoscope is given as Vrishchik Lagna which has been used for so many correct predictions over years. > > There are so many similar instances. The only way, a horoscope can be established, is by proving it with astrological arguments and future long range as well as short range predictions. > > regards,> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ________________________________> axeplex axeplex > Thu, February 25, 2010 3:55:40 PM> Re: Destiny!!> >  > Bhaskrji,> > Please refer my answer to Manojji. To me, if Neelamji's results are authentic. (which many of members agree to), nobody has succeeded and let us accept it and learn from it rather than closing it with an analysis that has also failed.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > I agree,> > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the> > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So> > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. .... I> > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id> > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing> > with both unknown identities.> > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come " , then> > ..> > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be> > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and> > argued against, is wrong.> > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views,> > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making> > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth> > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn> > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar> > <mouji99@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev ji,> > >> > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good> > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and> > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis,> > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation.> > >> > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No> > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed> > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> > >> > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level> > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then> > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get> > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's> > own abilities.> > >> > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Mouji Ram> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex axeplex@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > >> > > Â> > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are> > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And> > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's> > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the> > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt> > related job in case 1.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of> > knowledge in> > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and> > give> > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available> > and mostly> > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much> > hand> > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it> > could've> > > > been preserved since ages?> > > >> > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were> > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and> > imagine the> > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL> > operations!!> > > >> > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel> > is> > > > right. :-)> > > >> > > > Best wishes> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the> > classics. I> > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory> > part. And I> > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is> > better if you> > > > > can provide> > > > >> > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > > >> > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her> > analysis> > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt> > related job> > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's> > education level.> > > > >> > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you> > have> > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_> > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > > >> > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > > >> > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that> > justifies> > > > > its> > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ /> > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by> > great> > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> > questioned. If we> > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring> > to> > > > > hundreds> > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can> > form> > > > > your> > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply> > on> > > > > charts> > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them.> > You've> > > > > shaken> > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative> > analysis in a> > > > > book.> > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it> > correctly> > > > > or> > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of> > saying they> > > > > are> > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning> > for> > > > > saying> > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment> > and> > > > > reject> > > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > > >> > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > > >> > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> > authentic. Even if> > > > > I> > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question!> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run> > quiz on real> > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by> > any one,> > > > > would> > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of> > data can> > > > > not> > > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have> > same natal> > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really> > > > > interesting> > > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > >> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by> > Sh K N> > > > > Rao.> > > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> > differences in two> > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following> > points> > > > > will> > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference> > in the> > > > > two> > > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts.> > Here we> > > > > can> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not.> > Changing> > > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously> > results> > > > > would> > > > > > > > change,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence> > decising> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major> > difference in> > > > > > > life's> > > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a> > high ranking> > > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a> > youngest> > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His> > father dies> > > > > in> > > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to> > become an> > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more> > sisters after> > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger> > daughter. His> > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has> > correctly> > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with> > an> > > > > excellent> > > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Manojji, I agree for politicians but for sportsman, it is rare, that also for the one born in 1973. Anyway, April is approaching and we can see which day he celebrates his birthday. At least day shall be confirmed. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear friends, > > It is a well known fact that in India politicians/sportmen/public figures/bollywood people do not generally share their birth times/dates publicly. > > An interesting case would be of Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee, former Prime Minister of India, whose horoscope has been discussed by various lagnas by various people with his year of birth being 1924, 1925 and 1926 and Tula Lagna and so on. But in his autobiography, his horoscope is given as Vrishchik Lagna which has been used for so many correct predictions over years. > > There are so many similar instances. The only way, a horoscope can be established, is by proving it with astrological arguments and future long range as well as short range predictions. > > regards, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Thu, February 25, 2010 3:55:40 PM > Re: Destiny!! > >  > Bhaskrji, > > Please refer my answer to Manojji. To me, if Neelamji's results are authentic. (which many of members agree to), nobody has succeeded and let us accept it and learn from it rather than closing it with an analysis that has also failed. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I agree, > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for the > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. .... I > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a substitute id > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in discussing > > with both unknown identities. > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , then > > .. > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must be > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given and > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person making > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put forth > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not learn > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's > > own abilities. > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > Â > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > > knowledge in > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and > > give > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available > > and mostly > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > > hand > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it > > could've > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > > imagine the > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > > operations!! > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel > > is > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the > > classics. I > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > > part. And I > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > > better if you > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > analysis > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt > > related job > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you > > have > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that > > justifies > > > > > its > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by > > great > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > questioned. If we > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring > > to > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can > > form > > > > > your > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply > > on > > > > > charts > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. > > You've > > > > > shaken > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > analysis in a > > > > > book. > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it > > correctly > > > > > or > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > > saying they > > > > > are > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning > > for > > > > > saying > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment > > and > > > > > reject > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > authentic. Even if > > > > > I > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > > quiz on real > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by > > any one, > > > > > would > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of > > data can > > > > > not > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have > > same natal > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by > > Sh K N > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > differences in two > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following > > points > > > > > will > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference > > in the > > > > > two > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. > > Here we > > > > > can > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > > Changing > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > > results > > > > > would > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence > > decising > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > > difference in > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > > high ranking > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a > > youngest > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > > father dies > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to > > become an > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > > sisters after > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > > daughter. His > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has > > correctly > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with > > an > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Sir,Thanks for your blessings.Yours sincerely,SoniaManoj Kumar <mouji99 Sent: Thu, 25 February, 2010 2:02:26 PMRe: Re: Destiny!! Dear Dev ji, I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a good job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you and your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your analysis, she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. I do not know whether we are in a position to question the validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. Rao. No other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are indeed indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower level and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and then credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even get near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances one's own abilities. Well done Sonia and Keep it up. best wishes, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex >ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples are presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. And let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt related job in case 1.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of knowledge in> those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic and give> barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not available and mostly> it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much hand> written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of it could've> been preserved since ages?> > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application were> sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and imagine the> state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL operations!!> > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you feel is> right. :-)> > Best wishes> Neelam> > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex <axeplex > wrote:> > >> >> > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of the classics. I> > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory part. And I> > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is better if you> > can provide> >> > Why I asked for analysis from you:> >> > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her analysis> > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as Govt related job> > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's education level.> >> > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as you have> > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> >> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev ji,> > >> > > I am surprised at your response.> > >> > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > >> > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples that justifies> > its> > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ /> > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points by great> > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be questioned. If we> > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be referring to> > hundreds> > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You can form> > your> > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and apply on> > charts> > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by them. You've> > shaken> > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > >> > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative analysis in a> > book.> > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read it correctly> > or> > > for the given background information or events. Instead of saying they> > are> > > not authentic you should have given your astrological reasoning for> > saying> > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically comment and> > reject> > > an information from such a renowned source.> > >> > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > >> > > I share information and charts from sources I know are authentic. Even if> > I> > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Neelamji,> > > >> > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run quiz on real> > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written by any one,> > would> > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and authenticity of data can> > not> > > > be guaranteed.> > > >> > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons have same natal> > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be really> > interesting> > > > but has to be real examples.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth by Sh K N> > Rao.> > > > Sh> > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the differences in two> > > > similar> > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The following points> > will> > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the difference in the> > two> > > > > destinies.> > > > >> > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional charts. Here we> > can> > > > also> > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. Changing> > ayanamsha> > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously results> > would> > > > > change,> > > > >> > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha sequence decising> > > > which> > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > >> > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major difference in> > > > life's> > > > > patterns.> > > > >> > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > >> > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a high ranking> > > > > government official.> > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother and a youngest> > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His father dies> > in> > > > > 1987.> > > > >> > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on to become an> > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more sisters after> > > > him.> > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger daughter. His> > > > father> > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > >> > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > >> > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and has correctly> > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and with an> > excellent> > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
