Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Sir, You need only 2 minutes. Time you spent in writing the mail is enough for competent person like you. Many of members of groups do not know each other. Leave aside the charts that are put for analysis here which are mostly of the people nobody knows. It is a virtual group. How many times I need to correct you that I never said to ignore natal chart and see D-charts only. It is you who understood differently and has made a statement like that. You can browse all the past posts wherever you have written like this, I have equally responded to correct you. I have written in all posts that predicting from natal chart only may result into failure sometimes while if all charts including natal are studied, failure is significantly lowered. It was definitely closed from my side also and I would have never brought a chart. It was you who raised it indirectly by making a statement on cooking vegetables on banana leaf. And let me tell you frankly I did not choose a chart, I just selected it randomly. There are no personal grudges here, and there can not be any, when we don't know each other apart from a virtual identity. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sir, > > I dont know you. I dont know the person whose chart you have put up. Why > am I supposed to do the analysis and spend my time on this? It was you > who suggested that one need not see the Natal Chart but could predict > from the D Charts . Now the onus of analysis lies on you, and not on me. > And secondly I had already closed this, but was brought up again by your > goodself that one cannot predict without D Charts. You cannot pass such > judgements or make such proclamations Sir. > > But in any case when are you going to turn up with your analysis on D > Charts . > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > Your argument is irrelevant when answers to all of what you have > written is already given is the previous posts. It is very well said > that all charts are equally important and not only D-charts, then why > you repeat the same story? It is also said in previous posts that one > can predict from natal chart or natal + navamsa but chances of failure > are higher. A chart is presented to you and instead of you coming up > with your analysis, you are repeating the same mail again and again. > Argument is already closed. > > > > I can't expect this from a learned, logical and senior astrologer like > you who is very well respected by all including me. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > We have seen people predicting very well from - > > > > > > 1) Just the Natal Chart, > > > > > > 2) Natal and Navamsa. > > > > > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit. > > > > > > None of the above use the other charts...... > > > > > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts > and > > > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology > we > > > have learnt ? > > > > > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and > predicted > > > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil > now > > > ? > > > > > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not > > > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D > Chart > > > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick > up > > > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be > > > authenticated. > > > > > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody > is > > > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst > > > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so > > > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and > > > prove that ? Why to search for such examples? > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sonia ji, > > > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine > with > > > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the > > > thread.... > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > 5th. > > > And > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > directly > > > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to > fifth > > > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > and > > > its > > > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in > > > this > > > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > the > > > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds > me > > > > that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > aspected > > > by > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > > > house, > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. > And > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > share > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > aspected by > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed > in > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > should be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > direct > > > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > own > > > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > in > > > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > earlier > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > very > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed > in > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > should > > > be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > will > > > be > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be > > > Moon > > > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > these > > > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to > > > fifth > > > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > exaltation > > > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > overall > > > > dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly > > > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is > > > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > take > > > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > mahadashas > > > > will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > very > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > own > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > mail. > > > I > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > understood. > > > > That > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from > the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > cannot > > > > be > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > Charts > > > > to locate > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > does > > > not > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > notice > > > it > > > > through > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > why > > > for > > > > every > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also > to > > > do > > > > instead > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the > > > chart > > > > has > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > system, > > > but > > > > rather > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. > If > > > for > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > Charts, > > > then > > > > please > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > can > > > > learn more > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Suresh > > > > Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > with > > > > D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come > back > > > > in > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > three > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > > > participated > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > He > > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > Sonography > > > > or an X > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. > This > > > > does not > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where > 80% > > > > of the > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > this > > > > Group till > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > Chart > > > > on a > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > display > > > all > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > if I > > > > give you a > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > there is > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > opposition > > > > since it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > seen > > > in > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > it > > > is > > > > better > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > works, > > > > rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > between > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote > in > > > > one of my > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > well, > > > you > > > > will > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > Nakshtra > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > the D > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary > > > > or > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > you. > > > > But > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > does > > > not > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does > not > > > > teach us > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > window. > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > > meant > > > > for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > group > > > to > > > > at > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn > but > > > > am anyday > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > there is > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen > in > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it > is > > > > better if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > works, > > > > rather than > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > between > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, > you > > > > will > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > Nakshtra > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > the D > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > ignore > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at > > > least > > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > ASC > > > > window and > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > not > > > > teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > What > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > predict > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how > to > > > > calculate > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > be > > > > studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > also. > > > > Basic > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group > are > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > wrong. > > > > Everyone > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > here. > > > And > > > > when it > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > > > education, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > people > > > > born with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be > > > even > > > > more if > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > someone > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to > > > exist. > > > > We had > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > Whatever > > > > concept > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > not > > > > written in > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > through > > > a > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > Charts > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > tell > > > me > > > > how can > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > MBBS > > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > born. > > > > Its > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > members > > > > here too, > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > actually, > > > > instead its > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > taken > > > to > > > > approach > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart > for > > > > say the > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > what > > > one > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > conformed > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts > can > > > be > > > > done in > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So > if > > > you > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > going > > > to > > > > meet > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > her > > > > Father is > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > that > > > > Girl > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > from > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. > > > Just > > > > to add > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > someone > > > > is adept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > difficult > > > > since there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > Nobody > > > > will find > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have > > > > already > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, > > > where > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > standing > > > > in > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides > and > > > > switch > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > for > > > > this. You > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > Line, > > > > which I will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want > them > > > > to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO > my > > > > efforts are > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > connect > > > > what has > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > predicting > > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > Charts. > > > > In fact > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart > in > > > > hand or > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > to > > > > compare KP > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > comparison. I > > > > was > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > reach > > > the > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, > I > > > > don't know > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > through > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on > > > same. > > > > So I am > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > statement > > > and > > > > normally > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > anybody to > > > > argue or > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show > me > > > any > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > Charts. I > > > > have put > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > existence of > > > D > > > > Charts, > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > mail > > > > please, > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > about > > > > Tarot > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > and > > > > this will > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > that > > > just > > > > as > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > same > > > way > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this > ? I > > > > am not. > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the > > > issue > > > > about > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > Charts, > > > but > > > > thats a > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications > are > > > > there in > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > virtual > > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > selecting an > > > > option in > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard > but > > > > results > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > divides > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > divides > > > > the crowd > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > and > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > somone > > > > approaches > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > Charts , > > > in > > > > books > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > relating > > > > the Life > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > the > > > > mention of > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > Shastra. > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one > of > > > his > > > > books, > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > not to > > > > be > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > of > > > > influence > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > the > > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > matter > > > in > > > > aspects, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > read > > > the > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > Divisional > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > reads > > > > the chart > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Sir, Yes it takes only 2 minutes for me. You are right. Even my wife can tell you within 2 minutes all about you, if I ask her to check any Horoscope the way I do. All my students would be able to do it within few months time. The key to success is knowledge of the basic rules(For past predictions) and knowledge of how to use transits(For futurepredictions). Any smart astrologer even if not given the degreecal position of the planets, and neither the Vimsottari Dasha, should just be able to predict what could happen in near future by looking the Natal Chart . This may be a great feat for you, but not for many, in India. You may check my messages in this Group , I have done this many times, but never made a show of same. We better stop this thread as I do not want to loose your friendship whoever you may be. And after all you do give good company on this platform. Yes its not personal. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Sir, > > You need only 2 minutes. Time you spent in writing the mail is enough for competent person like you. Many of members of groups do not know each other. Leave aside the charts that are put for analysis here which are mostly of the people nobody knows. It is a virtual group. > > How many times I need to correct you that I never said to ignore natal chart and see D-charts only. It is you who understood differently and has made a statement like that. You can browse all the past posts wherever you have written like this, I have equally responded to correct you. I have written in all posts that predicting from natal chart only may result into failure sometimes while if all charts including natal are studied, failure is significantly lowered. > > It was definitely closed from my side also and I would have never brought a chart. It was you who raised it indirectly by making a statement on cooking vegetables on banana leaf. And let me tell you frankly I did not choose a chart, I just selected it randomly. > > There are no personal grudges here, and there can not be any, when we don't know each other apart from a virtual identity. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > I dont know you. I dont know the person whose chart you have put up. Why > > am I supposed to do the analysis and spend my time on this? It was you > > who suggested that one need not see the Natal Chart but could predict > > from the D Charts . Now the onus of analysis lies on you, and not on me. > > And secondly I had already closed this, but was brought up again by your > > goodself that one cannot predict without D Charts. You cannot pass such > > judgements or make such proclamations Sir. > > > > But in any case when are you going to turn up with your analysis on D > > Charts . > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > Your argument is irrelevant when answers to all of what you have > > written is already given is the previous posts. It is very well said > > that all charts are equally important and not only D-charts, then why > > you repeat the same story? It is also said in previous posts that one > > can predict from natal chart or natal + navamsa but chances of failure > > are higher. A chart is presented to you and instead of you coming up > > with your analysis, you are repeating the same mail again and again. > > Argument is already closed. > > > > > > I can't expect this from a learned, logical and senior astrologer like > > you who is very well respected by all including me. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > > > We have seen people predicting very well from - > > > > > > > > 1) Just the Natal Chart, > > > > > > > > 2) Natal and Navamsa. > > > > > > > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit. > > > > > > > > None of the above use the other charts...... > > > > > > > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts > > and > > > > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology > > we > > > > have learnt ? > > > > > > > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and > > predicted > > > > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil > > now > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not > > > > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D > > Chart > > > > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick > > up > > > > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be > > > > authenticated. > > > > > > > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody > > is > > > > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst > > > > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so > > > > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and > > > > prove that ? Why to search for such examples? > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sonia ji, > > > > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine > > with > > > > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the > > > > thread.... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > 5th. > > > > And > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > directly > > > > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to > > fifth > > > > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > and > > > > its > > > > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in > > > > this > > > > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > the > > > > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds > > me > > > > > that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected > > > > by > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. > > And > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > share > > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected by > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > share > > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed > > in > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > should be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > direct > > > > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > own > > > > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > in > > > > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > earlier > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed > > in > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > should > > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > will > > > > be > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be > > > > Moon > > > > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > these > > > > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to > > > > fifth > > > > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > exaltation > > > > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > overall > > > > > dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly > > > > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is > > > > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > take > > > > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas > > > > > will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > own > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > mail. > > > > I > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from > > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > cannot > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > Charts > > > > > to locate > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > notice > > > > it > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > why > > > > for > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also > > to > > > > do > > > > > instead > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the > > > > chart > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > system, > > > > but > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. > > If > > > > for > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > Charts, > > > > then > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > can > > > > > learn more > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > Suresh > > > > > Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > with > > > > > D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come > > back > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > three > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > He > > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography > > > > > or an X > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. > > This > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where > > 80% > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > this > > > > > Group till > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > Chart > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > display > > > > all > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > if I > > > > > give you a > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > there is > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > opposition > > > > > since it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > > in > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > it > > > > is > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > works, > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote > > in > > > > > one of my > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > Nakshtra > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the D > > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > you. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > does > > > > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > not > > > > > teach us > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > window. > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > > > meant > > > > > for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > group > > > > to > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn > > but > > > > > am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > there is > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen > > in > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it > > is > > > > > better if > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > works, > > > > > rather than > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > Nakshtra > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the D > > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > ignore > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at > > > > least > > > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > ASC > > > > > window and > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > not > > > > > teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > What > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > predict > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how > > to > > > > > calculate > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > be > > > > > studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > also. > > > > > Basic > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group > > are > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > wrong. > > > > > Everyone > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > here. > > > > And > > > > > when it > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > people > > > > > born with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be > > > > even > > > > > more if > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > someone > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to > > > > exist. > > > > > We had > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > Whatever > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > not > > > > > written in > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > through > > > > a > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > Charts > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > tell > > > > me > > > > > how can > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > MBBS > > > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > born. > > > > > Its > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > members > > > > > here too, > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > actually, > > > > > instead its > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > taken > > > > to > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart > > for > > > > > say the > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > what > > > > one > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > conformed > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts > > can > > > > be > > > > > done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So > > if > > > > you > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > going > > > > to > > > > > meet > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > her > > > > > Father is > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > that > > > > > Girl > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. > > > > Just > > > > > to add > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > someone > > > > > is adept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > difficult > > > > > since there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > Nobody > > > > > will find > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, > > > > where > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > standing > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides > > and > > > > > switch > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > for > > > > > this. You > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > Line, > > > > > which I will > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want > > them > > > > > to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO > > my > > > > > efforts are > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > connect > > > > > what has > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > predicting > > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > Charts. > > > > > In fact > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart > > in > > > > > hand or > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > to > > > > > compare KP > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > comparison. I > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > reach > > > > the > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, > > I > > > > > don't know > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on > > > > same. > > > > > So I am > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > statement > > > > and > > > > > normally > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > anybody to > > > > > argue or > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show > > me > > > > any > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > Charts. I > > > > > have put > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > existence of > > > > D > > > > > Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > mail > > > > > please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > about > > > > > Tarot > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > and > > > > > this will > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > that > > > > just > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > same > > > > way > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this > > ? I > > > > > am not. > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the > > > > issue > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > Charts, > > > > but > > > > > thats a > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications > > are > > > > > there in > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > virtual > > > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > selecting an > > > > > option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard > > but > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > divides > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > divides > > > > > the crowd > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > and > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > somone > > > > > approaches > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > Charts , > > > > in > > > > > books > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > relating > > > > > the Life > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > the > > > > > mention of > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > Shastra. > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one > > of > > > > his > > > > > books, > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > not to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > of > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > the > > > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > matter > > > > in > > > > > aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > read > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > Divisional > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > reads > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Bhaskarji, Though I would have loved you to write how, rather than insisting it can be done, it is ok if you want to be away from this. An argument and difference of opinion is nothing to do with any grudge. You keep your style and ideology and I keep mine. This is how life is. We are always friends, at least on this platform. And if you want to see me, you are welcome anyday to have lunch with me. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sir, > > Yes it takes only 2 minutes for me. You are right. Even my wife can tell > you within 2 minutes all about you, if I ask her to check any Horoscope > the way I do. All my students would be able to do it within few months > time. > > The key to success is knowledge of the basic rules(For past predictions) > and knowledge of how to use transits(For futurepredictions). Any smart > astrologer even if not given the degreecal position of the planets, and > neither the Vimsottari Dasha, should just be able to predict what could > happen in near future by looking the Natal Chart . This may be a great > feat for you, but not for many, in India. You may check my messages in > this Group , I have done this many times, but never made a show of same. > > We better stop this thread as I do not want to loose your friendship > whoever you may be. And after all you do give good company on this > platform. Yes its not personal. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > You need only 2 minutes. Time you spent in writing the mail is enough > for competent person like you. Many of members of groups do not know > each other. Leave aside the charts that are put for analysis here which > are mostly of the people nobody knows. It is a virtual group. > > > > How many times I need to correct you that I never said to ignore natal > chart and see D-charts only. It is you who understood differently and > has made a statement like that. You can browse all the past posts > wherever you have written like this, I have equally responded to correct > you. I have written in all posts that predicting from natal chart only > may result into failure sometimes while if all charts including natal > are studied, failure is significantly lowered. > > > > It was definitely closed from my side also and I would have never > brought a chart. It was you who raised it indirectly by making a > statement on cooking vegetables on banana leaf. And let me tell you > frankly I did not choose a chart, I just selected it randomly. > > > > There are no personal grudges here, and there can not be any, when we > don't know each other apart from a virtual identity. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > I dont know you. I dont know the person whose chart you have put up. > Why > > > am I supposed to do the analysis and spend my time on this? It was > you > > > who suggested that one need not see the Natal Chart but could > predict > > > from the D Charts . Now the onus of analysis lies on you, and not on > me. > > > And secondly I had already closed this, but was brought up again by > your > > > goodself that one cannot predict without D Charts. You cannot pass > such > > > judgements or make such proclamations Sir. > > > > > > But in any case when are you going to turn up with your analysis on > D > > > Charts . > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Your argument is irrelevant when answers to all of what you have > > > written is already given is the previous posts. It is very well said > > > that all charts are equally important and not only D-charts, then > why > > > you repeat the same story? It is also said in previous posts that > one > > > can predict from natal chart or natal + navamsa but chances of > failure > > > are higher. A chart is presented to you and instead of you coming up > > > with your analysis, you are repeating the same mail again and again. > > > Argument is already closed. > > > > > > > > I can't expect this from a learned, logical and senior astrologer > like > > > you who is very well respected by all including me. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, > > > > > > > > > > We have seen people predicting very well from - > > > > > > > > > > 1) Just the Natal Chart, > > > > > > > > > > 2) Natal and Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit. > > > > > > > > > > None of the above use the other charts...... > > > > > > > > > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D > Charts > > > and > > > > > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only > astrology > > > we > > > > > have learnt ? > > > > > > > > > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and > > > predicted > > > > > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups > uptil > > > now > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not > > > > > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the > D > > > Chart > > > > > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not > pick > > > up > > > > > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be > > > > > authenticated. > > > > > > > > > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come > everybody > > > is > > > > > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody > amongst > > > > > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so > > > > > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope > and > > > > > prove that ? Why to search for such examples? > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia ji, > > > > > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not > conclude/determine > > > with > > > > > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the > > > > > thread.... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > , Sonia > Mehdiratta > > > > > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > with > > > 5th. > > > > > And > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > directly > > > > > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > to > > > fifth > > > > > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > education > > > and > > > > > its > > > > > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > houses in > > > > > this > > > > > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > running > > > the > > > > > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > reminds > > > me > > > > > > that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected > > > > > by > > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > 5th. > > > And > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > > > > Eighth > > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > > share > > > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > till > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by > > > > > > sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > lord > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > > > > Eighth > > > > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > > > > share > > > > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > > in > > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > should be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct > > > > > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon > in > > > own > > > > > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > disturbance > > > in > > > > > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > from > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > could > > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not > be > > > very > > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > > in > > > > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance > dasha > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > will be > > > > > Moon > > > > > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > All > > > these > > > > > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > connection to > > > > > fifth > > > > > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > overall > > > > > > dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > be > > > > > broadly > > > > > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > lord is > > > > > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > take > > > > > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > > mahadashas > > > > > > will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very > > > > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > mail. > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has > its > > > own > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > previous > > > mail. > > > > > I > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > that > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > > understood. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > from > > > the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or > it > > > cannot > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the > D > > > Charts > > > > > > to locate > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through > KP, > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice > > > > > it > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out > the > > > why > > > > > for > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > also > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > instead > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > the > > > > > chart > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > system, > > > > > but > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > about. > > > If > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > Charts, > > > > > then > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that > we > > > can > > > > > > learn more > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > from > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > vegetable > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > Suresh > > > > > > Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > matter > > > with > > > > > > D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > come > > > back > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > even > > > three > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > have > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > strongly > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > family > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > problem. > > > He > > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > > Sonography > > > > > > or an X > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > suspected. > > > This > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > where > > > 80% > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > also > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you > in > > > this > > > > > > Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > Charts > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > Natal > > > Chart > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > display > > > > > all > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples > even > > > if I > > > > > > give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > food > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition > > > > > > since it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what > is > > > seen > > > > > in > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > fact > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > in > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > wrote > > > in > > > > > > one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, > > > > > you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > the D > > > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > > nessessary > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn > from > > > you. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > does > > > not > > > > > > teach us > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > window. > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > Navamsha > > > > > meant > > > > > > for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > group > > > > > to > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > cannot > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > learn > > > but > > > > > > am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > seen > > > in > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > it > > > is > > > > > > better if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, > > > > > > rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > well, > > > you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > predicts > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > the D > > > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > > nessessary > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > ignore > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group > of at > > > > > least > > > > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in > the > > > ASC > > > > > > window and > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology > does > > > not > > > > > > teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > window. > > > What > > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > how > > > to > > > > > > calculate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > shall > > > be > > > > > > studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read > D-1 > > > also. > > > > > > Basic > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > group > > > are > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > wrong. > > > > > > Everyone > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > here. > > > > > And > > > > > > when it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > take > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people > > > > > > born with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and > may be > > > > > even > > > > > > more if > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > to > > > > > exist. > > > > > > We had > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > back. > > > > > Whatever > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > what > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP > is > > > not > > > > > > written in > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > Please > > > tell > > > > > me > > > > > > how can > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > normal > > > MBBS > > > > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children > is > > > born. > > > > > > Its > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members > > > > > > here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > goodself > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > actually, > > > > > > instead its > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > taken > > > > > to > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > chart > > > for > > > > > > say the > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa > or > > > what > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > Charts > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > So > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and > are > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > meet > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see > how > > > her > > > > > > Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > with > > > that > > > > > > Girl > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > confirmations > > > from > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > it. > > > > > Just > > > > > > to add > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone > > > > > > is adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > difficult > > > > > > since there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > different > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody > > > > > > will find > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > have > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > ago, > > > > > where > > > > > > I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > rummaged > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am > not > > > > > standing > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > sides > > > and > > > > > > switch > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > makes it > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > searching > > > for > > > > > > this. You > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > Line, > > > > > > which I will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > want > > > them > > > > > > to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > SO > > > my > > > > > > efforts are > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > connect > > > > > > what has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > predicting > > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > other > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > In fact > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > chart > > > in > > > > > > hand or > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > saying > > > to > > > > > > compare KP > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > comparison. I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > reach > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > D-charts, > > > I > > > > > > don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > properly. > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have > gone > > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > on > > > > > same. > > > > > > So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > statement > > > > > and > > > > > > normally > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > anybody to > > > > > > argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > show > > > me > > > > > any > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > Charts. I > > > > > > have put > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > existence of > > > > > D > > > > > > Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > every > > > mail > > > > > > please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > talking > > > about > > > > > > Tarot > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > balls > > > and > > > > > > this will > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > that > > > > > just > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, > in > > > same > > > > > way > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > this > > > ? I > > > > > > am not. > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > the > > > > > issue > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > Charts, > > > > > but > > > > > > thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > every > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > indications > > > are > > > > > > there in > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual > > > > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > selecting an > > > > > > option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > keyboard > > > but > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides > > > > > > the crowd > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > charts > > > and > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > somone > > > > > > approaches > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > charts, > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > Charts , > > > > > in > > > > > > books > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating > > > > > > the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > find > > > the > > > > > > mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. > > > > > > If any > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > one > > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > books, > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. > are > > > not to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > points > > > of > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall > as > > > the > > > > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > matter > > > > > in > > > > > > aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > read > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > Divisional > > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if > one > > > reads > > > > > > the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Soniaji and all, Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all before jupiter dasa. One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with native chart now and arrive at result. regds Dev , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Soniaji, > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and 2nd set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is learning, it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the education but education is 4th. > > regds > Dev > > , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not exactly as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been discussed in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for the information. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope it answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till bachelors. > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other members don't seem interested. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. ..... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. // > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Dear Sirs, Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed from the Natal Chart. Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies and inclinations. What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the other charts to look from ? Please explain. regards,Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Soniaji and all, > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all before jupiter dasa. > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with native chart now and arrive at result. > > regds > Dev > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ wrote: > > > > Soniaji, > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and 2nd set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is learning, it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the education but education is 4th. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not exactly as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been discussed in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for the information. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope it answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till bachelors. > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other members don't seem interested. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. // > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal Charts ? I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or thought ? best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Sirs, > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed from > the Natal Chart. > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies and > inclinations. > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the other > charts to look from ? > > Please explain. > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all before > jupiter dasa. > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and 2nd > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is learning, > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not exactly > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been discussed > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for the > information. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope it > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > bachelors. > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other members > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > house, > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > 5th. And > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > details. // > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change > in educational stream. > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > education and will do well. > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > understood. That > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from > the Natal > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > cannot be > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > does not > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > notice it through > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > why for every > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also > to do instead > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the > chart has > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > system, but rather > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. > If for > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > can learn more > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable > cannot be > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come > back in > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > three months. > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > participated > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly > predicts the > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family > Doctor who > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > He does not > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. > This does not > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where > 80% of the > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > explained the > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > and also > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > Chart on a > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > display all what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > there is no > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > opposition since it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > it is better > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > works, rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > between > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > well, you will > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > forgotten to > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > nessessary or > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > you. But > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > does not need > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does > not teach us > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > group to at > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > predict > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > there is no > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen > in Natal > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it > is better if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > between > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, > you will > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > forgotten to > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > education, it > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > ASC window and > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > What is the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > predict education > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how > to calculate > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > also. Basic > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group > are more > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > education, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > people born with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be > even more if > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to > exist. We had > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > not written in > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > through a > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > tell me how can > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > born. Its > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > suggested, but > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > taken to approach > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart > for say the > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > what one > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > going to meet > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > that Girl > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > from the D > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. > Just to add > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > someone is adept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > difficult since there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different > factors only > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have > already > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > standing in > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides > and switch > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > for this. You > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO > my efforts are > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > predicting from the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart > in hand or > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > to compare KP > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > reach the > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > through the > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > statement and normally > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > about Tarot > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > and this will > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > that just as > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > same way the > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the > issue about > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > planetwith D > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications > are there in > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard > but results > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > and sub/ > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > somone approaches > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one > of his books, > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > not to be > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > of influence > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > read the > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 || om namo narayana || Namaskar list, First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. siva , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > Charts ? > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > thought ? > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > from > > the Natal Chart. > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > and > > inclinations. > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > other > > charts to look from ? > > > > Please explain. > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > before > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > 2nd > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > learning, > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > exactly > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > discussed > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > the > > information. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > it > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > members > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > house, > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > 5th. And > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > houses > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > reminds > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > lord > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > but > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > has > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > from > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > be > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > lord > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > change > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > but > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > has > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > be > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > be > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > be > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > to > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > lord > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > change > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > I > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > that > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > from > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > does not > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > why for every > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > also > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > the > > chart has > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > about. > > If for > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > from > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > vegetable > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > come > > back in > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > have > > participated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > strongly > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > family > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > He does not > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > suspected. > > This does not > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > where > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > and also > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > display all what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > food > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > fact > > it is better > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > in > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > wrote > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > you. But > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > does > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > Navamsha > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > group to at > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > predict > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > learn > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > seen > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > it > > is better if > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > well, > > you will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > predicts > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > at > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > how > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > group > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > take > > education, > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > people born with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > be > > even more if > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > to > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > what > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > through a > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > chart > > for say the > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > what one > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > Charts > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > So > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > from the D > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > it. > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > different > > factors only > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > have > > already > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > ago, > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > rummaged > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > standing in > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > sides > > and switch > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > it > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > want > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > SO > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > chart > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > reach the > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > D-charts, > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > properly. > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > on > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > show > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > and this will > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > that just as > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > this > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > the > > issue about > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > indications > > are there in > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > keyboard > > but results > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > charts, > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > one > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > not to be > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > of influence > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > read the > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Bhaskarji, I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis. Wait! Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP with D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without natal? It is you. My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. Division can be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). KP has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not need D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > Charts ? > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > thought ? > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > from > > the Natal Chart. > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > and > > inclinations. > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > other > > charts to look from ? > > > > Please explain. > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > before > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > 2nd > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > learning, > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > exactly > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > discussed > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > the > > information. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > it > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > members > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > house, > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > 5th. And > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > houses > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > reminds > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > 2nd > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > lord > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > but > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > has > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > from > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > be > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > lord > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > change > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > placed > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > but > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > has > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > be > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > be > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > be > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > to > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > lord > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > change > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > I > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > that > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > from > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > does not > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > why for every > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > also > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > the > > chart has > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > about. > > If for > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > from > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > vegetable > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > come > > back in > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > have > > participated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > strongly > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > family > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > He does not > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > suspected. > > This does not > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > where > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > and also > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > display all what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > food > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > fact > > it is better > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > in > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > wrote > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > you. But > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > does > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > Navamsha > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > group to at > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > predict > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > learn > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > seen > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > it > > is better if > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > between > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > well, > > you will > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > predicts > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > at > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > how > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > group > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > take > > education, > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > people born with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > be > > even more if > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > to > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > what > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > through a > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > chart > > for say the > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > what one > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > Charts > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > So > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > from the D > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > it. > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > different > > factors only > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > have > > already > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > ago, > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > rummaged > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > standing in > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > sides > > and switch > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > it > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > want > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > SO > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > chart > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > reach the > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > D-charts, > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > properly. > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > on > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > show > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > and this will > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > that just as > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > this > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > the > > issue about > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > indications > > are there in > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > keyboard > > but results > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > charts, > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > one > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > not to be > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > of influence > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > read the > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Mr. Siva, Shall I put some D 24 charts here, and would you be able to tell us the field the natives will choose ? Forget postmartem. Lets talk of Jyotish-Astrology which means forecasting for the future without knowing about same. regards/Bhaskar. , " siva " <sarasalai_siva wrote: > > || om namo narayana || > > Namaskar list, > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > siva > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > Charts ? > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > thought ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > from > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > and > > > inclinations. > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > other > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > before > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > 2nd > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > learning, > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > exactly > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > discussed > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > the > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > it > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > members > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > houses > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > reminds > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > from > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > be > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > be > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > to > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > I > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > that > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > from > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > also > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > the > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > about. > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > from > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > vegetable > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > come > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > have > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > strongly > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > family > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > suspected. > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > where > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > food > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > in > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > wrote > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > does > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > learn > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > it > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > at > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > how > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > group > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > take > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > be > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > to > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > what > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > chart > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > Charts > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > So > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > it. > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > different > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > have > > > already > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > ago, > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > rummaged > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > sides > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > want > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > SO > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > chart > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > D-charts, > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > properly. > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > on > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > show > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > this > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > the > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > indications > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > keyboard > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > charts, > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > one > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji// Let me see what other members have to say.//what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each others point of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate matters by taking sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so called discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on and on....where TRUTH hides.......!!!Love and regards,gopi , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Bhaskarji,> > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis. Wait! Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP with D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without natal? It is you. > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. Division can be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). KP has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not need D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help.> > regds> Dev> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can> > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal> > Charts ?> > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one> > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart.> > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the> > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So> > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no> > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs> > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D> > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show> > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise> > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but> > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There> > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one> > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future> > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise> > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure> > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures> > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or> > thought ?> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sirs,> > >> > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed> > from> > > the Natal Chart.> > >> > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show> > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc.> > >> > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies> > and> > > inclinations.> > >> > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the> > other> > > charts to look from ?> > >> > > Please explain.> > >> > > regards,Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "axeplex" axeplex@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Soniaji and all,> > > >> > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details.> > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am> > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all> > before> > > jupiter dasa.> > > >> > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with> > > native chart now and arrive at result.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > , "axeplex" axeplex@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Soniaji,> > > > >> > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and> > 2nd> > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is> > learning,> > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and> > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the> > > education but education is 4th.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta> > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not> > exactly> > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.> > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of> > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been> > discussed> > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th> > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for> > the> > > information.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sonia> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM> > > > > > Re: SRILANKA> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > >> > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope> > it> > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc.> > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for> > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till> > > bachelors.> > > > > >> > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other> > members> > > don't seem interested.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from> > 2nd> > > house,> > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with> > > 5th. And> > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected> > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education> > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth> > houses> > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running> > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it> > reminds> > > me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from> > 2nd> > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with> > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth> > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> > lord.> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will> > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > > details. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till> > > Bachelors.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth> > lord> > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> > will> > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > nakshatra> > > details.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > placed> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> > but> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> > has> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be> > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no> > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in> > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance> > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts> > from> > > Moon?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will> > be> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> > lord> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > change> > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in> > > earlier mail.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > placed> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> > but> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> > has> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should> > be> > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will> > be> > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will> > be> > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All> > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection> > to> > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in> > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but> > > overall dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> > lord> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > change> > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter> > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail.> > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own> > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail.> > I> > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so> > that> > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of> > > house> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I> > > understood. That> > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person> > specific.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event> > from> > > the Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it> > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D> > > Charts to locate> > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP,> > > does not> > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot> > > notice it through> > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the> > > why for every> > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work> > also> > > to do instead> > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that> > the> > > chart has> > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any> > > system, but rather> > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know> > about.> > > If for> > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D> > > Charts, then please> > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we> > > can learn more> > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish> > from> > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that> > vegetable> > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter> > > with D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely> > come> > > back in> > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even> > > three months.> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I> > have> > > participated> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for> > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12> > strongly> > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal> > family> > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem.> > > He does not> > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT> > > Sonography or an X> > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already> > suspected.> > > This does not> > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group,> > where> > > 80% of the> > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also> > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in> > > this Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts> > > and also> > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal> > > Chart on a> > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on> > > display all what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even> > > if I give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the> > food> > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where> > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > > opposition since it> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is> > > seen in Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In> > fact> > > it is better> > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation> > in> > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what> > > works, rather> > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> > > between> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already> > wrote> > > in one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study> > > well, you will> > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses> > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study> > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from> > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and> > > does not need> > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology> > does> > > not teach us> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same> > > window. What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the> > Navamsha> > > meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the> > > group to at> > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot> > > predict> > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> > > Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would> > learn> > > but am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where> > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is> > seen> > > in Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact> > it> > > is better if> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what> > > works, rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> > > between> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study> > well,> > > you will> > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses> > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> > have> > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone> > predicts> > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study> > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not> > > ignore D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of> > at> > > least 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the> > > ASC window and> > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does> > > not teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window.> > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot> > > predict education> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on> > how> > > to calculate> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall> > > be studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1> > > also. Basic> > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the> > group> > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are> > > wrong. Everyone> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical> > > here. And when it> > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us> > take> > > education,> > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000> > > people born with> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may> > be> > > even more if> > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if> > > someone predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has> > to> > > exist. We had> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back.> > > Whatever concept> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider> > what> > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is> > > not written in> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going> > > through a> > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D> > > Charts without> > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please> > > tell me how can> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal> > > MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is> > > born. Its> > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the> > > members here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal> > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself> > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> > > actually, instead its> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has> > > taken to approach> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal> > chart> > > for say the> > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or> > > what one> > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be> > > conformed from the> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D> > Charts> > > can be done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father.> > So> > > if you want to> > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are> > > going to meet> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how> > > her Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with> > > that Girl> > > > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations> > > from the D> > > > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching> > it.> > > Just to add> > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If> > > someone is adept> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> > > difficult since there> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of> > different> > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot.> > > Nobody will find> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I> > have> > > already> > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years> > ago,> > > where I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process> > rummaged> > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not> > > standing in> > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change> > sides> > > and switch> > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes> > it> > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching> > > for this. You> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one> > > Line, which I will> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage> > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I> > want> > > them to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance.> > SO> > > my efforts are> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to> > > connect what has> > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> > > predicting from the> > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other> > > Charts. In fact> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth> > chart> > > in hand or> > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying> > > to compare KP> > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> > > comparison. I was> > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to> > > reach the> > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in> > D-charts,> > > I don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail> > properly.> > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone> > > through the> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments> > on> > > same. So I am> > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> > > statement and normally> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for> > > anybody to argue or> > > > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you> > show> > > me any shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D> > > Charts. I have put> > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> > > existence of D Charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every> > > mail please,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking> > > about Tarot> > > > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls> > > and this will> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say> > > that just as> > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in> > > same way the> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating> > this> > > ? I am not.> > > > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres> > the> > > issue about> > > > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D> > > Charts, but thats a> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every> > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of> > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some> > indications> > > are there in> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or> > > virtual D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an> > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> > > selecting an option in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses> > keyboard> > > but results> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that> > > divides whole> > > > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which> > > divides the crowd> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts> > > and sub/> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when> > > somone approaches> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind> > charts,> > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of> > > Charts , in books> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and> > > relating the Life> > > > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find> > > the mention of> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any> > > Shastra. If any> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in> > one> > > of his books,> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are> > > not to be> > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points> > > of influence> > > > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as> > > the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not> > > matter in aspects,> > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can> > > read the> > > > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> > > Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one> > > reads the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct> > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, I am not fighting but against some categorical statements which have been made by Shri Dev ji. 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts better. 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one reads the D charts one will never fail. I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one justify and accept the above statements as true ? And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise of D-24 Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the predictions from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above statements, how is it connected ? I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, and all eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done by the members in question, must now be put in a practical show of display, rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. regards, Bhaskar. , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each others point > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate matters by taking > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so called > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on and > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > Love and regards, > gopi > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis. Wait! > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP with > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without > natal? It is you. > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. Division can > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). KP > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not need > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > Charts ? > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even > one > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of > the > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly > no > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > needs > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > the D > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > show > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > ephasise > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > but > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > There > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me > one > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > future > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > otherwise > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > failure > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > failures > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > thought ? > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > from > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > studies > > > and > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > other > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > before > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > with > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > and > > > 2nd > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > learning, > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th > and > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > exactly > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > significances of > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > discussed > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > 4th > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > for > > > the > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > Hope > > > it > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > for > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > members > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > from > > > 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > with > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > connected > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > education > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > houses > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > running > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > reminds > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > from > > > 2nd > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > with > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > sixth > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > till > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > sixth > > > lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > should be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having > no > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > Moon in > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > disturbance > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > starts > > > from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > will > > > be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written > in > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not > be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > should > > > be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > will > > > be > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > will > > > be > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > All > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > connection > > > to > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > in > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, > but > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > will be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not > be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > mail. > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > own > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > mail. > > > I > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > that > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle > of > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > from > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or > it > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > the D > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through > KP, > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > cannot > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out > the > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > work > > > also > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > that > > > the > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > about. > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > that we > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > dish > > > from > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > vegetable > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > matter > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > come > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > even > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though > I > > > have > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > for > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > strongly > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > family > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > problem. > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > suspected. > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > where > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > also > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you > in > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > Charts > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > Natal > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples > even > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > food > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what > is > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > confirmation > > > in > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > what > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > wrote > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > study > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn > from > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > and > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > does > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > Navamsha > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > the > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > learn > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > is > > > seen > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > fact > > > it > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > what > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > not > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group > of > > > at > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in > the > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology > does > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > window. > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > cannot > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > on > > > how > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > shall > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read > D-1 > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > group > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > are > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > logical > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > us > > > take > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > 2000 > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and > may > > > be > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, > if > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > has > > > to > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > back. > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > consider > > > what > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP > is > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > going > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in > D > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > Please > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > normal > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > children is > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > the > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > goodself > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > has > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > chart > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa > or > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > Charts > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > Father. > > > So > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and > are > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see > how > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > with > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > confirmations > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > searching > > > it. > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. > If > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > different > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > shot. > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. > I > > > have > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > years > > > ago, > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > rummaged > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am > not > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > sides > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > makes > > > it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > searching > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > one > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > encourage > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > want > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > advance. > > > SO > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > other > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > chart > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > saying > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > to > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > D-charts, > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > properly. > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have > gone > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > comments > > > on > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > show > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > every > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > talking > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > balls > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > say > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, > in > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > negating > > > this > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > wheres > > > the > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > every > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk > of > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > indications > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > or > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying > an > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > keyboard > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > that > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > which > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > charts > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > charts, > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > find > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > any > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > in > > > one > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. > are > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > points > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > recall as > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > not > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > can > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if > one > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, You will hear silence because preaching and practising are two seperate matters. Today morning also one member very effortlessly proclaimed that since Mars is in 9th in D24 then it means the native has taken Engineering. So what stops this member from predicting now from the D Charts, from the birth details Neelamji has putup. And all those members who have been making a great hullabaloo over D Charts since last 3 weeks, why cannot now they come out from their mansions and show how to predict from the D Charts ? Now is the time to break their silence and silence Bhaskar. They must do it, if they really know something about D Charts. Now they can no more connect a known event to the D Chart, so the TRUTH will come out. best wishes, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements which have> been made by Shri Dev ji.> > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts better.> > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one reads the D> charts one will never fail.> > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one justify and> accept the above statements as true ?> > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise of D-24> Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the predictions> from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above statements,> how is it connected ?> > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, and all> eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done by the> members in question, must now be put in a practical show of display,> rather than searching for excuses to avoid this.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji> > // Let me see what other members have to say.//> > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each others point> > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate matters by> taking> > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so called> > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on and> > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!!> > Love and regards,> > gopi> > , "axeplex" axeplex@> > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskarji,> > >> > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis.> Wait!> > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP with> > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without> > natal? It is you.> > >> > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. Division> can> > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). KP> > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not need> > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts> can> > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal> > > > Charts ?> > > >> > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict> even> > one> > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart.> > > >> > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use> of> > the> > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So> > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make> utterly> > no> > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just> > needs> > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with> > the D> > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to> > show> > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to> > ephasise> > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there,> > but> > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ?> > There> > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show> me> > one> > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the> > future> > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important> > otherwise> > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is> > failure> > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are> > failures> > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view> or> > > > thought ?> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > >> > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be> confirmed> > > > from> > > > > the Natal Chart.> > > > >> > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show> > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc.> > > > >> > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical> > studies> > > > and> > > > > inclinations.> > > > >> > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need> the> > > > other> > > > > charts to look from ?> > > > >> > > > > Please explain.> > > > >> > > > > regards,Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "axeplex"> > axeplex@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Soniaji and all,> > > > > >> > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details.> > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am> > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all> > > > before> > > > > jupiter dasa.> > > > > >> > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along> > with> > > > > native chart now and arrive at result.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > , "axeplex"> > axeplex@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th> > and> > > > 2nd> > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is> > > > learning,> > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both> 4th> > and> > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get> the> > > > > education but education is 4th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Sonia> > Mehdiratta> > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not> > > > exactly> > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.> > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other> > significances of> > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been> > > > discussed> > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from> > 4th> > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks> > for> > > > the> > > > > information.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM> > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period.> > Hope> > > > it> > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc.> > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is> > for> > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted> till> > > > > bachelors.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other> > > > members> > > > > don't seem interested.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> > from> > > > 2nd> > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> > with> > > > > 5th. And> > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting> > connected> > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of> > education> > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth> > > > houses> > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently> > running> > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it> > > > reminds> > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth> house> > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> > from> > > > 2nd> > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> > with> > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> > sixth> > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and> sixth> > > > lord.> > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> > will> > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > nakshatra> > > > > details. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous> > till> > > > > Bachelors.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Sonia> > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> > sixth> > > > lord> > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> > lord.> > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then> i> > > > will> > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > > > nakshatra> > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn> is> > > > placed> > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > debilitated,> > > > but> > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > planetary> > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > Mercury> > > > has> > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education> > should be> > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house,> having> > no> > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But> > Moon in> > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some> > disturbance> > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa> > starts> > > > from> > > > > Moon?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> > will> > > > be> > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> sign> > > > lord> > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> > also> > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> some> > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> some> > > > change> > > > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as> written> > in> > > > > earlier mail.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may> not> > be> > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Sonia> > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > > > placed> > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > debilitated,> > > > but> > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > planetary> > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > Mercury> > > > has> > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education> > should> > > > be> > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha> > will> > > > be> > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow> > will> > > > be> > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education.> > All> > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct> > connection> > > > to> > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars> > in> > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in> education,> > but> > > > > overall dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> > will be> > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> sign> > > > lord> > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> > also> > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> some> > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> some> > > > change> > > > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and> Jupiter> > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may> not> > be> > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long> > mail.> > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its> > own> > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous> > mail.> > > > I> > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details> so> > > > that> > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is> middle> > of> > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi> chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what> I> > > > > understood. That> > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person> > > > specific.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any> event> > > > from> > > > > the Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it,> or> > it> > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of> > the D> > > > > Charts to locate> > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that> through> > KP,> > > > > does not> > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others> > cannot> > > > > notice it through> > > > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning> out> > the> > > > > why for every> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other> > work> > > > also> > > > > to do instead> > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean> > that> > > > the> > > > > chart has> > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology> or> > KP.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to> any> > > > > system, but rather> > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know> > > > about.> > > > > If for> > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through> D> > > > > Charts, then please> > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so> > that we> > > > > can learn more> > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable> > dish> > > > from> > > > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that> > > > vegetable> > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the> > matter> > > > > with D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would> definitely> > > > come> > > > > back in> > > > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be> > even> > > > > three months.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to> me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction> though> > I> > > > have> > > > > participated> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors> > for> > > > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12> > > > strongly> > > > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the> normal> > > > family> > > > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a> > problem.> > > > > He does not> > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him.> BUT> > > > > Sonography or an X> > > > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already> > > > suspected.> > > > > This does not> > > > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this> Group,> > > > where> > > > > 80% of the> > > > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and> > also> > > > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from> you> > in> > > > > this Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D> > Charts> > > > > and also> > > > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the> > Natal> > > > > Chart on a> > > > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put> on> > > > > display all what> > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3> Examples> > even> > > > > if I give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve> the> > > > food> > > > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument> > where> > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > > > > opposition since it> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm> what> > is> > > > > seen in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts.> In> > > > fact> > > > > it is better> > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no> > confirmation> > > > in> > > > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into> > what> > > > > works, rather> > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But> aspects> > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I> already> > > > wrote> > > > > in one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you> > study> > > > > well, you will> > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which> uses> > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> > have> > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> > same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to> > study> > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is> not> > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to> learn> > from> > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions> > and> > > > > does not need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional> astrology> > > > does> > > > > not teach us> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the> same> > > > > window. What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the> > > > Navamsha> > > > > meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide> > the> > > > > group to at> > > > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one> > cannot> > > > > predict> > > > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> 24> > > > > Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I> would> > > > learn> > > > > but am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument> > where> > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what> > is> > > > seen> > > > > in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In> > fact> > > > it> > > > > is better if> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into> > what> > > > > works, rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But> aspects> > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you> study> > > > well,> > > > > you will> > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which> > uses> > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day> astrologers> > > > have> > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone> > > > predicts> > > > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to> > study> > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is> > not> > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict> well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can> > not> > > > > ignore D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a> group> > of> > > > at> > > > > least 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements> in> > the> > > > > ASC window and> > > > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional> astrology> > does> > > > > not teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same> > window.> > > > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant> > for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one> > cannot> > > > > predict education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> 24> > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration> > on> > > > how> > > > > to calculate> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts> > shall> > > > > be studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can> read> > D-1> > > > > also. Basic> > > > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in> the> > > > group> > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they> > are> > > > > wrong. Everyone> > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also> > logical> > > > > here. And when it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let> > us> > > > take> > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to> > 2000> > > > > people born with> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window> and> > may> > > > be> > > > > even more if> > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at> D-24,> > if> > > > > someone predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is> illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it> > has> > > > to> > > > > exist. We had> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days> > back.> > > > > Whatever concept> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to> > consider> > > > what> > > > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras.> KP> > is> > > > > not written in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without> > going> > > > > through a> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept> in> > D> > > > > Charts without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart.> > Please> > > > > tell me how can> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the> > normal> > > > > MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the> > children is> > > > > born. Its> > > > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all> > the> > > > > members here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using> Natal> > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your> > goodself> > > > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> > > > > actually, instead its> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one> > has> > > > > taken to approach> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the> Natal> > > > chart> > > > > for say the> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the> sapthamsa> > or> > > > > what one> > > > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will> be> > > > > conformed from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D> > > > Charts> > > > > can be done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a> > Father.> > > > So> > > > > if you want to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home> and> > are> > > > > going to meet> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first> see> > how> > > > > her Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son> > with> > > > > that Girl> > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with> > confirmations> > > > > from the D> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of> > searching> > > > it.> > > > > Just to add> > > > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also> true.> > If> > > > > someone is adept> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> > > > > difficult since there> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of> > > > different> > > > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I> > shot.> > > > > Nobody will find> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D> Charts.> > I> > > > have> > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2> > years> > > > ago,> > > > > where I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process> > > > rummaged> > > > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I> am> > not> > > > > standing in> > > > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to> change> > > > sides> > > > > and switch> > > > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This> > makes> > > > it> > > > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother> > searching> > > > > for this. You> > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and> > one> > > > > Line, which I will> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to> > encourage> > > > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts.> I> > > > want> > > > > them to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in> > advance.> > > > SO> > > > > my efforts are> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them> to> > > > > connect what has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> > > > > predicting from the> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the> > other> > > > > Charts. In fact> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a> birth> > > > chart> > > > > in hand or> > > > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not> > saying> > > > > to compare KP> > > > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> > > > > comparison. I was> > > > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group> > to> > > > > reach the> > > > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in> > > > D-charts,> > > > > I don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail> > > > properly.> > > > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I> have> > gone> > > > > through the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making> > comments> > > > on> > > > > same. So I am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> > > > > statement and normally> > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters> for> > > > > anybody to argue or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can> you> > > > show> > > > > me any shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the> D> > > > > Charts. I have put> > > > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> > > > > existence of D Charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in> > every> > > > > mail please,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start> > talking> > > > > about Tarot> > > > > > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal> > balls> > > > > and this will> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to> > say> > > > > that just as> > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute> predictions,> > in> > > > > same way the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is> > negating> > > > this> > > > > ? I am not.> > > > > > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So> > wheres> > > > the> > > > > issue about> > > > > > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and> D> > > > > Charts, but thats a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of> > every> > > > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras> talk> > of> > > > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some> > > > indications> > > > > are there in> > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas> > or> > > > > virtual D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about> identifying> > an> > > > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> > > > > selecting an option in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses> > > > keyboard> > > > > but results> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope> > that> > > > > divides whole> > > > > > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart> > which> > > > > divides the crowd> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual> > charts> > > > > and sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict> when> > > > > somone approaches> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind> > > > charts,> > > > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem> of> > > > > Charts , in books> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam,> and> > > > > relating the Life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never> > find> > > > > the mention of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in> > any> > > > > Shastra. If any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant> > shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman> > in> > > > one> > > > > of his books,> > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha> etc.> > are> > > > > not to be> > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the> > points> > > > > of influence> > > > > > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can> > recall as> > > > > the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does> > not> > > > > matter in aspects,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who> > can> > > > > read the> > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> > > > > Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even> if> > one> > > > > reads the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give> correct> > > > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best> wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > Homepage. http://in./> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Bhaskarji, There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs away. It is you who did not participate after chart was put. 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read natal chart. Basic fundas are same. 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate reduces significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The day we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all scientists in the world. 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And why shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is rotten or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need D-chart or Amsas. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements which have > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts better. > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one reads the D > charts one will never fail. > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one justify and > accept the above statements as true ? > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise of D-24 > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the predictions > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above statements, > how is it connected ? > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, and all > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done by the > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of display, > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each others point > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate matters by > taking > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so called > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on and > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > Love and regards, > > gopi > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis. > Wait! > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP with > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. Division > can > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). KP > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not need > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > can > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > even > > one > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > of > > the > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > utterly > > no > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > needs > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > the D > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > show > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > ephasise > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > but > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > There > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show > me > > one > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > future > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > otherwise > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > failure > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > failures > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > or > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > confirmed > > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > studies > > > > and > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > the > > > > other > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > before > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > with > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > and > > > > 2nd > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > learning, > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > 4th > > and > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > the > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > > Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > exactly > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > significances of > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > discussed > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > > 4th > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > for > > > > the > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > Hope > > > > it > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > for > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > till > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > members > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > connected > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > education > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > houses > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > running > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > reminds > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > till > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > i > > > > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > should be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > having > > no > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > Moon in > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > disturbance > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > starts > > > > from > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will > > > > be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > written > > in > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > not > > be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > should > > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > will > > > > be > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > will > > > > be > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > All > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > connection > > > > to > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > in > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > education, > > but > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > Jupiter > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > not > > be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > mail. > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > own > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > mail. > > > > I > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > so > > > > that > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > middle > > of > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > I > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > event > > > > from > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > or > > it > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > the D > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > through > > KP, > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > cannot > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > out > > the > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > work > > > > also > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > that > > > > the > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > or > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > any > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > about. > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > D > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > that we > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > dish > > > > from > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > vegetable > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > matter > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > definitely > > > > come > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > even > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > though > > I > > > > have > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > > for > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > strongly > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > normal > > > > family > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > problem. > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > BUT > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > suspected. > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > Group, > > > > where > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > also > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > you > > in > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > Charts > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > Natal > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > on > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > Examples > > even > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > the > > > > food > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > what > > is > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > In > > > > fact > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > confirmation > > > > in > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > already > > > > wrote > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > learn > > from > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > and > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > astrology > > > > does > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > same > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > Navamsha > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > the > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > 24 > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > would > > > > learn > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > is > > > > seen > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > > it > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > study > > > > well, > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > astrologers > > > > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > predicts > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > not > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > group > > of > > > > at > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > in > > the > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > astrology > > does > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > window. > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > 24 > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > on > > > > how > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > shall > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > read > > D-1 > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > the > > > > group > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > are > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > logical > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > us > > > > take > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > 2000 > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > and > > may > > > > be > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > D-24, > > if > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > has > > > > to > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > back. > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > consider > > > > what > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > KP > > is > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > going > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > in > > D > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > Please > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > normal > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > children is > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > the > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > goodself > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > has > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > Natal > > > > chart > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > sapthamsa > > or > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > be > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > Charts > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > Father. > > > > So > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > and > > are > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > see > > how > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > with > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > confirmations > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > searching > > > > it. > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > true. > > If > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > different > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > shot. > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > Charts. > > I > > > > have > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > years > > > > ago, > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > rummaged > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > am > > not > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > change > > > > sides > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > makes > > > > it > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > searching > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > one > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > encourage > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > I > > > > want > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > advance. > > > > SO > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > to > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > other > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > birth > > > > chart > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > saying > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > to > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > D-charts, > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > properly. > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > have > > gone > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > comments > > > > on > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > for > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > you > > > > show > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > D > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > every > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > talking > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > balls > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > say > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > predictions, > > in > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > negating > > > > this > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > wheres > > > > the > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > D > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > every > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > talk > > of > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > indications > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > or > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > identifying > > an > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > keyboard > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > that > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > which > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > charts > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > when > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > charts, > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > of > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > and > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > find > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > any > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > in > > > > one > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > etc. > > are > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > points > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > recall as > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > not > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > can > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > if > > one > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > correct > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. regds Dev , " siva " <sarasalai_siva wrote: > > || om namo narayana || > > Namaskar list, > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > siva > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > Charts ? > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > thought ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > from > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > and > > > inclinations. > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > other > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > before > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > 2nd > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > learning, > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > exactly > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > discussed > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > the > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > it > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > members > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > houses > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > reminds > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > from > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > be > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > be > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > to > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > I > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > that > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > from > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > also > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > the > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > about. > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > from > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > vegetable > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > come > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > have > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > strongly > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > family > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > suspected. > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > where > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > food > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > in > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > wrote > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > does > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > learn > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > it > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > at > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > how > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > group > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > take > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > be > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > to > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > what > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > chart > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > Charts > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > So > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > it. > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > different > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > have > > > already > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > ago, > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > rummaged > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > sides > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > want > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > SO > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > chart > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > D-charts, > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > properly. > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > on > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > show > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > this > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > the > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > indications > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > keyboard > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > charts, > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > one > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Sirs, I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a person whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact, address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the authenticity of a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody wants me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put up on the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you feel they are so important. It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart well, would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs away. It is you who did not participate after chart was put. > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read natal chart. Basic fundas are same. > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate reduces significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The day we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all scientists in the world. > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And why shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is rotten or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need D-chart or Amsas. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements which have > > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts better. > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one reads the D > > charts one will never fail. > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one justify and > > accept the above statements as true ? > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise of D-24 > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the predictions > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above statements, > > how is it connected ? > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, and all > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done by the > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of display, > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each others point > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate matters by > > taking > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so called > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on and > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis. > > Wait! > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP with > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without > > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. Division > > can > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). KP > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not need > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > can > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > even > > > one > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > of > > > the > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > utterly > > > no > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > > needs > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > > the D > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > > show > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > > ephasise > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > > but > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > > There > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show > > me > > > one > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > future > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > otherwise > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > > failure > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > > failures > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > or > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > confirmed > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > studies > > > > > and > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > before > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > > with > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > > and > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > learning, > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > 4th > > > and > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > the > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > exactly > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > significances of > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > discussed > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > > > 4th > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > > Hope > > > > > it > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > > for > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > till > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > members > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > connected > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > education > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > houses > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > > running > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > reminds > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > > till > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > lord > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > i > > > > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > should be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > having > > > no > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > > Moon in > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > disturbance > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > starts > > > > > from > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > written > > > in > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not > > > be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > > All > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > connection > > > > > to > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > > in > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > education, > > > but > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not > > > be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > > mail. > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > > own > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > > mail. > > > > > I > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > middle > > > of > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > I > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > event > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > or > > > it > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > > the D > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > through > > > KP, > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > > cannot > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > out > > > the > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > > work > > > > > also > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > or > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > any > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > about. > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > > D > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > > that we > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > > dish > > > > > from > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > > matter > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > definitely > > > > > come > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > > even > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > though > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > > > for > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > strongly > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > normal > > > > > family > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > > problem. > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > BUT > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > Group, > > > > > where > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > > also > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > you > > > in > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > > Charts > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > on > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > Examples > > > even > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > the > > > > > food > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > what > > > is > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > confirmation > > > > > in > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > already > > > > > wrote > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > study > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > learn > > > from > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > > and > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > > > does > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > same > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > > the > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > would > > > > > learn > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > > is > > > > > seen > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > > it > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > well, > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > predicts > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > > not > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > group > > > of > > > > > at > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > in > > > the > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > does > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > > window. > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > > on > > > > > how > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > > shall > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > read > > > D-1 > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > > are > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > logical > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > > us > > > > > take > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > 2000 > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > and > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > D-24, > > > if > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > > back. > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > consider > > > > > what > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > KP > > > is > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > > going > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > in > > > D > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > > Please > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > > normal > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > children is > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > > the > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > Natal > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > goodself > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > > has > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > Natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > sapthamsa > > > or > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > be > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > Father. > > > > > So > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > and > > > are > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > see > > > how > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > > with > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > confirmations > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > searching > > > > > it. > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > true. > > > If > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > different > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > > shot. > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > Charts. > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > > years > > > > > ago, > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > am > > > not > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > > change > > > > > sides > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > > makes > > > > > it > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > searching > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > > one > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > encourage > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > I > > > > > want > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > advance. > > > > > SO > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > to > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > > other > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > birth > > > > > chart > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > > saying > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > > to > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > properly. > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > have > > > gone > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > for > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > you > > > > > show > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > > D > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > > every > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > > talking > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > > balls > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > > say > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > predictions, > > > in > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > negating > > > > > this > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > wheres > > > > > the > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > D > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > > every > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > talk > > > of > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > indications > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > > or > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > identifying > > > an > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > > that > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > > which > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > > charts > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > when > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > charts, > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > of > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > and > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > > find > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > > any > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > > in > > > > > one > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > etc. > > > are > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > > points > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > recall as > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > > not > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > > can > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > if > > > one > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > correct > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from the Natal Chart ? I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled when I read her analysis. The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru who knows all methods of approaching a chart. I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters from D Charts. Neelamji has provided a start. Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and knowledge of application you have about D Charts. regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > > regds > Dev > > > > , " siva " sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > siva > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > Charts ? > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > thought ? > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > from > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > > and > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > other > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > before > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > > 2nd > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > learning, > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > exactly > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > discussed > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > > the > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > > it > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > members > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > houses > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > reminds > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > > from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > > be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > > be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > > be > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > > be > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > > to > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > > I > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > that > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > from > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > > also > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > > the > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > about. > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > > from > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > vegetable > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > come > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > > have > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > strongly > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > family > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > suspected. > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > where > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > food > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > > in > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > wrote > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > does > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > Navamsha > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > learn > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > > it > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > > at > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > > how > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > group > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > take > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > > be > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > > to > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > > what > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > chart > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > Charts > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > > So > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > > it. > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > different > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > > have > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > > ago, > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > rummaged > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > sides > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > > it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > want > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > > SO > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > chart > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > D-charts, > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > properly. > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > > on > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > show > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > > this > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > > the > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > indications > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > keyboard > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > charts, > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > > one > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Dev Ji and all,Let us get on to the practical side of astrology. I have posted two charts from an authentic source.Please feel free to discuss the charts so that everyone would have some hands-on experience of reading the charts Sonia ji has done a wonderful job on the data given by you. Similarly, I invite comments on the two charts, specially on the profession.RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 15:25, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:  Dear Sirs, I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a person whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact, address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the authenticity of a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody wants me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put up on the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you feel they are so important. It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart well, would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs away. It is you who did not participate after chart was put. > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read natal chart. Basic fundas are same. > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate reduces significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The day we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all scientists in the world. > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And why shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is rotten or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need D-chart or Amsas. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements which have > > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts better. > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one reads the D > > charts one will never fail. > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one justify and > > accept the above statements as true ? > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise of D-24 > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the predictions > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above statements, > > how is it connected ? > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, and all > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done by the > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of display, > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each others point > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate matters by > > taking > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so called > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on and > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis. > > Wait! > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP with > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without > > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. Division > > can > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). KP > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not need > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > can > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > even > > > one > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > of > > > the > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > utterly > > > no > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > > needs > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > > the D > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > > show > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > > ephasise > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > > but > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > > There > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show > > me > > > one > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > future > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > otherwise > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > > failure > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > > failures > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > or > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > confirmed > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > studies > > > > > and > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > before > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > > with > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > > and > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > learning, > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > 4th > > > and > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > the > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > exactly > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > significances of > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > discussed > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > > > 4th > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > > Hope > > > > > it > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > > for > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > till > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > members > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > connected > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > education > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > houses > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > > running > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > reminds > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > > till > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > lord > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > i > > > > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > should be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > having > > > no > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > > Moon in > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > disturbance > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > starts > > > > > from > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > written > > > in > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not > > > be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > > All > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > connection > > > > > to > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > > in > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > education, > > > but > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not > > > be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > > mail. > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > > own > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > > mail. > > > > > I > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > middle > > > of > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > I > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > event > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > or > > > it > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > > the D > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > through > > > KP, > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > > cannot > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > out > > > the > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > > work > > > > > also > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > or > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > any > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > about. > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > > D > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > > that we > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > > dish > > > > > from > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > > matter > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > definitely > > > > > come > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > > even > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > though > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > > > for > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > strongly > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > normal > > > > > family > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > > problem. > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > BUT > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > Group, > > > > > where > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > > also > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > you > > > in > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > > Charts > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > on > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > Examples > > > even > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > the > > > > > food > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > what > > > is > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > confirmation > > > > > in > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > already > > > > > wrote > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > study > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > learn > > > from > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > > and > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > > > does > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > same > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > > the > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > would > > > > > learn > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > > is > > > > > seen > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > > it > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > well, > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > predicts > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > > not > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > group > > > of > > > > > at > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > in > > > the > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > does > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > > window. > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > > on > > > > > how > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > > shall > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > read > > > D-1 > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > > are > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > logical > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > > us > > > > > take > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > 2000 > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > and > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > D-24, > > > if > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > > back. > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > consider > > > > > what > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > KP > > > is > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > > going > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > in > > > D > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > > Please > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > > normal > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > children is > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > > the > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > Natal > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > goodself > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > > has > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > Natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > sapthamsa > > > or > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > be > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > Father. > > > > > So > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > and > > > are > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > see > > > how > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > > with > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > confirmations > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > searching > > > > > it. > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > true. > > > If > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > different > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > > shot. > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > Charts. > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > > years > > > > > ago, > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > am > > > not > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > > change > > > > > sides > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > > makes > > > > > it > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > searching > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > > one > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > encourage > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > I > > > > > want > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > advance. > > > > > SO > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > to > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > > other > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > birth > > > > > chart > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > > saying > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > > to > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > properly. > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > have > > > gone > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > for > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > you > > > > > show > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > > D > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > > every > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > > talking > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > > balls > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > > say > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > predictions, > > > in > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > negating > > > > > this > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > wheres > > > > > the > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > D > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > > every > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > talk > > > of > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > indications > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > > or > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > identifying > > > an > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > > that > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > > which > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > > charts > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > when > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > charts, > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > of > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > and > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > > find > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > > any > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > > in > > > > > one > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > etc. > > > are > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > > points > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > recall as > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > > not > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > > can > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > if > > > one > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > correct > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 I invite Shri Sivaji also to please come on stage and provide us the predcitions through D 24 charts , what could be for both the natives whose Birth details have been put up by Neelamji. regards/Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > the Natal Chart ? > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > when I read her analysis. > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > from D Charts. > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > revealed the details. > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also > in 9th in D-24. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " siva " > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > ). > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > sign cancer. > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > siva > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > can > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > even one > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > of the > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > utterly no > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > needs > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > the D > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > show > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > ephasise > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > but > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > There > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show > me one > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > future > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > otherwise > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > failure > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > failures > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > or > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > confirmed > > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > studies > > > > and > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > the > > > > other > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > before > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > with > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > and > > > > 2nd > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > learning, > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > 4th and > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > the > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > exactly > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > significances of > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > discussed > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > 4th > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > for > > > > the > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > Hope > > > > it > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > for > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > till > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > members > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > with > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > connected > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > education > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > houses > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > running > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > reminds > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > with > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > sixth > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > till > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > sixth > > > > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > i > > > > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > should be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > having no > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > Moon in > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > disturbance > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > starts > > > > from > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > will > > > > be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > written in > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > should > > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > will > > > > be > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > will > > > > be > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > All > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > connection > > > > to > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > in > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > education, but > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > will be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > Jupiter > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > mail. > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > own > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > mail. > > > > I > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > so > > > > that > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > middle of > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > I > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > event > > > > from > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > or it > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > the D > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > through KP, > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > cannot > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > out the > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > work > > > > also > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > that > > > > the > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > any > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > about. > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > D > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > that we > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > dish > > > > from > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > vegetable > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > matter > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > definitely > > > > come > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > even > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > though I > > > > have > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > for > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > strongly > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > normal > > > > family > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > problem. > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > BUT > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > suspected. > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > Group, > > > > where > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > also > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > you in > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > Charts > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > Natal > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > on > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > Examples even > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > the > > > > food > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > what is > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > In > > > > fact > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > confirmation > > > > in > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > what > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > already > > > > wrote > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > study > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > learn from > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > and > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > astrology > > > > does > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > same > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > Navamsha > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > the > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > cannot > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > 24 > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > would > > > > learn > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > is > > > > seen > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > fact > > > > it > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > what > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > study > > > > well, > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > astrologers > > > > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > predicts > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > not > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > group of > > > > at > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > in the > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > astrology does > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > window. > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > cannot > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > 24 > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > on > > > > how > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > shall > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > read D-1 > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > the > > > > group > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > are > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > logical > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > us > > > > take > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > 2000 > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > and may > > > > be > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > D-24, if > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > has > > > > to > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > back. > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > consider > > > > what > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > KP is > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > going > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > in D > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > Please > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > normal > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > children is > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > the > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > goodself > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > has > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > Natal > > > > chart > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > sapthamsa or > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > be > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > Charts > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > Father. > > > > So > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > and are > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > see how > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > with > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > confirmations > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > searching > > > > it. > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > true. If > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > different > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > shot. > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > Charts. I > > > > have > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > years > > > > ago, > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > rummaged > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > am not > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > change > > > > sides > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > makes > > > > it > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > searching > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > one > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > encourage > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > I > > > > want > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > advance. > > > > SO > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > to > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > other > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > birth > > > > chart > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > saying > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > to > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > D-charts, > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > properly. > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > have gone > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > comments > > > > on > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > for > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > you > > > > show > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > D > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > every > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > talking > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > balls > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > say > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > predictions, in > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > negating > > > > this > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > wheres > > > > the > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > D > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > every > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > talk of > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > indications > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > or > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > identifying an > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > keyboard > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > that > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > which > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > charts > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > when > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > charts, > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > of > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > and > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > find > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > any > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > in > > > > one > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > etc. are > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > points > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > recall as > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > not > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > can > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > if one > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > correct > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Neelamji and all, Now why shall I participate in chart put by Neelamji. I don't know her, her contact address, her details. And what is the authenticity of the data she has put. //I am just repeating what Bhaskarji put// regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dev Ji and all, > > Let us get on to the practical side of astrology. I have posted two charts > from an authentic source. > Please feel free to discuss the charts so that everyone would have some > hands-on experience of reading the charts > Sonia ji has done a wonderful job on the data given by you. Similarly, I > invite comments on the two charts, specially on the profession. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > On 13 February 2010 15:25, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a person > > whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact, > > address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a > > person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the authenticity of > > a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody wants > > me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put up on > > the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you feel they > > are so important. > > > > It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart well, > > would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs away. > > It is you who did not participate after chart was put. > > > > > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read natal > > chart. Basic fundas are same. > > > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate reduces > > significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The day > > we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all scientists > > in the world. > > > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And why > > shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is rotten > > or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need > > D-chart or Amsas. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements which have > > > > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > > > > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts better. > > > > > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one reads > > the D > > > > charts one will never fail. > > > > > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one justify and > > > > accept the above statements as true ? > > > > > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise of > > D-24 > > > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the > > predictions > > > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above > > statements, > > > > how is it connected ? > > > > > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, and all > > > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done by the > > > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of display, > > > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each others > > point > > > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate matters by > > > > taking > > > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so called > > > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on and > > > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > gopi > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart analysis. > > > > Wait! > > > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is equating KP > > with > > > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts without > > > > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. > > Division > > > > can > > > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji does). > > KP > > > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does not > > need > > > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not help. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > > Experts > > > > can > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the > > Natal > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > > predict > > > > even > > > > > one > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but > > use > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > astrology. So > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > > utterly > > > > > no > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It > > just > > > > > needs > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it > > with > > > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always > > to > > > > > show > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just > > to > > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is > > there, > > > > > but > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future > > ? > > > > > There > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. > > Show > > > > me > > > > > one > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > > > future > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this > > is > > > > > failure > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups > > are > > > > > failures > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable > > view > > > > or > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu > > show > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > > > studies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we > > need > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but > > all > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP > > along > > > > > with > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow > > 4th > > > > > and > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what > > is > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. > > Both > > > > 4th > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to > > get > > > > the > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is > > not > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has > > been > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results > > from > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well > > thanks > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter > > period. > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th > > is > > > > > for > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > > predicted > > > > till > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, > > other > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > > that > > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it > > not > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > > > education > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and > > eighth > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > > currently > > > > > running > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your > > name, it > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > > that > > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth > > with > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > > then i > > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > continuous > > > > > till > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth > > with > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > > then > > > > i > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail > > with > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > Saturn > > > > is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three > > is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > > having > > > > > no > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. > > But > > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > > > starts > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > > Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit > > for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > > written > > > > > in > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period > > may > > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > Saturn is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three > > is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > > Education > > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance > > dasha > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to > > follow > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > education. > > > > > All > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > > > connection > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, > > Mars > > > > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > > education, > > > > > but > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > > Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit > > for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period > > may > > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a > > long > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has > > its > > > > > own > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > previous > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary > > details > > > > so > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > > middle > > > > > of > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand > > what > > > > I > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > > person > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > > event > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice > > it, > > > > or > > > > > it > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity > > of > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > > through > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > > others > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > > reasoning > > > > out > > > > > the > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have > > other > > > > > work > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not > > mean > > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > > Astrology > > > > or > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions > > to > > > > any > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already > > know > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions > > through > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, > > so > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > > vegetable > > > > > dish > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, > > that > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding > > the > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > > definitely > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it > > may be > > > > > even > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter > > to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > > though > > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest > > " Factors > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where > > D-12 > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > > normal > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having > > a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make > > him. > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > > Group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction > > from > > > > you > > > > > in > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using > > the D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through > > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now > > put > > > > on > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way > > of > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > > Examples > > > > > even > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but > > serve > > > > the > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > > argument > > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there > > is no > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > > confirm > > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > In > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look > > into > > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > > already > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if > > you > > > > > study > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved > > in > > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > divisions > > > > > and > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is > > the > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can > > divide > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where > > one > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > > would > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > > argument > > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look > > into > > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, > > which > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved > > in > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if > > someone > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary > > to > > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one > > can > > > > > not > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > > group > > > > > of > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > > placements > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the > > same > > > > > window. > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > meant > > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where > > one > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > illustration > > > > > on > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and > > D-charts > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart > > can > > > > read > > > > > D-1 > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > Let > > > > > us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 > > to > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > > window > > > > and > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > > D-24, > > > > > if > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > Amsas, it > > > > > has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few > > days > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > > > consider > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > Shastras. > > > > KP > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > > without > > > > > going > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become > > adept > > > > in > > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal > > Chart. > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing > > the > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > > > children is > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of > > approach > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which > > one > > > > > has > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > > sapthamsa > > > > > or > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of > > the D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > > > Father. > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) > > home > > > > and > > > > > are > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will > > first > > > > see > > > > > how > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your > > son > > > > > with > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > > > searching > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > > true. > > > > > If > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not > > that > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration > > of > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which > > I > > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > > Charts. > > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about > > 2 > > > > > years > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this > > process > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time > > I > > > > am > > > > > not > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > > > > change > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > match...This > > > > > makes > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book > > and > > > > > one > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D > > Charts. > > > > I > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > > > advance. > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for > > them > > > > to > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept > > in > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > > birth > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am > > not > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a > > wrong > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small > > group > > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts > > in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last > > mail > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > > have > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > > > comments > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make > > any > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > > matters > > > > for > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where > > can > > > > you > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in > > the > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not > > abour > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP > > in > > > > > every > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, > > start > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or > > Crystal > > > > > balls > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > trying to > > > > > say > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > predictions, > > > > > in > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > > > negating > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > > > wheres > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs > > and > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > antras of > > > > > every > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > > talk > > > > > of > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses > > Amsas > > > > > or > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > identifying > > > > > an > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. > > for > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other > > uses > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > > horoscope > > > > > that > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read > > chart > > > > > which > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, > > virtual > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > > predict > > > > when > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for > > blind > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > postmartem > > > > of > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > > Santhanam, > > > > and > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will > > never > > > > > find > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, > > in > > > > > any > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV > > raman > > > > > in > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > > etc. > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just > > the > > > > > points > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many > > who > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects > > in > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his > > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter > > even > > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > > correct > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained. May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > the Natal Chart ? > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > when I read her analysis. > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > from D Charts. > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > revealed the details. > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also > in 9th in D-24. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " siva " > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > ). > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > sign cancer. > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > siva > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > can > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > even one > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > of the > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > utterly no > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > needs > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > the D > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > show > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > ephasise > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > but > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > There > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show > me one > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > future > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > otherwise > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > failure > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > failures > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > or > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > confirmed > > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > studies > > > > and > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > the > > > > other > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > before > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > with > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > and > > > > 2nd > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > learning, > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > 4th and > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > the > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > exactly > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > significances of > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > discussed > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > 4th > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > for > > > > the > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > Hope > > > > it > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > for > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > till > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > members > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > with > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > connected > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > education > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > houses > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > running > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > reminds > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > with > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > sixth > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > nakshatra > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > till > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > sixth > > > > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > i > > > > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > should be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > having no > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > Moon in > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > disturbance > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > starts > > > > from > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > will > > > > be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > written in > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > should > > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > will > > > > be > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > will > > > > be > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > All > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > connection > > > > to > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > in > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > education, but > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > will be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > Jupiter > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > technical > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > mail. > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > own > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > mail. > > > > I > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > so > > > > that > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > middle of > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > I > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > event > > > > from > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > or it > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > the D > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > through KP, > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > cannot > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > out the > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > work > > > > also > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > that > > > > the > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > any > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > about. > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > D > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > that we > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > dish > > > > from > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > vegetable > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > matter > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > definitely > > > > come > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > even > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > though I > > > > have > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > for > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > strongly > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > normal > > > > family > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > problem. > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > BUT > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > suspected. > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > Group, > > > > where > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > also > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > you in > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > Charts > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > Natal > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > on > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > Examples even > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > the > > > > food > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > what is > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > In > > > > fact > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > confirmation > > > > in > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > what > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > already > > > > wrote > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > study > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > learn from > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > and > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > astrology > > > > does > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > same > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > Navamsha > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > the > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > cannot > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > 24 > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > would > > > > learn > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > is > > > > seen > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > fact > > > > it > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > what > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > study > > > > well, > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > astrologers > > > > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > predicts > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > not > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > group of > > > > at > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > in the > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > astrology does > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > window. > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > cannot > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > 24 > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > on > > > > how > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > shall > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > read D-1 > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > the > > > > group > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > are > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > logical > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > us > > > > take > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > 2000 > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > and may > > > > be > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > D-24, if > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > has > > > > to > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > back. > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > consider > > > > what > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > KP is > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > going > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > in D > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > Please > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > normal > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > children is > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > the > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > goodself > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > has > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > Natal > > > > chart > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > sapthamsa or > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > be > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > Charts > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > Father. > > > > So > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > and are > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > see how > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > with > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > confirmations > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > searching > > > > it. > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > true. If > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > different > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > shot. > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > Charts. I > > > > have > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > years > > > > ago, > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > rummaged > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > am not > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > change > > > > sides > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > makes > > > > it > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > searching > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > one > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > encourage > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > I > > > > want > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > advance. > > > > SO > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > to > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > other > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > birth > > > > chart > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > saying > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > to > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > D-charts, > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > properly. > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > have gone > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > comments > > > > on > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > for > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > you > > > > show > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > D > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > every > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > talking > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > balls > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > say > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > predictions, in > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > negating > > > > this > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > wheres > > > > the > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > D > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > every > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > talk of > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > indications > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > or > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > identifying an > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > keyboard > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > that > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > which > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > charts > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > when > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > charts, > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > of > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > and > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > find > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > any > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > in > > > > one > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > etc. are > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > points > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > recall as > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > not > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > can > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > if one > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > correct > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Bhai Sahab. Pond mein dubki lagaate lagaate jindagi nikal jayeegi. Meri maaniye, joh saagar mein roj nahaate hain unki baat manne se aapka hi fayda hai, mera nahin... She never missed anything. She predcited perfectly about Engineering in one shot. I would call it a great prediction. The 9th is for higher studies.... We shall put up few charts and ask you to show the profession of the native. Then we shall see who misses what. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained. > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > when I read her analysis. > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > from D Charts. > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > revealed the details. > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " siva " > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > ). > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > can > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > even one > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > of the > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > utterly no > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > needs > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > the D > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > show > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > ephasise > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > but > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > There > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show > > me one > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > future > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > otherwise > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > failure > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > failures > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > or > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > confirmed > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > studies > > > > > and > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > before > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > with > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > and > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > learning, > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > 4th and > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > the > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > exactly > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > significances of > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > discussed > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > > 4th > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > Hope > > > > > it > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > for > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > till > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > members > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > connected > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > education > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > houses > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > running > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > reminds > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > till > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > lord > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > i > > > > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > should be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > having no > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > Moon in > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > disturbance > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > starts > > > > > from > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > written in > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > All > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > connection > > > > > to > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > in > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > education, but > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > mail. > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > own > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > mail. > > > > > I > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > middle of > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > I > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > event > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > or it > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > the D > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > through KP, > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > cannot > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > out the > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > work > > > > > also > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > any > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > about. > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > > D > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > that we > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > dish > > > > > from > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > matter > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > definitely > > > > > come > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > even > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > though I > > > > > have > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > > for > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > strongly > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > normal > > > > > family > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > problem. > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > BUT > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > Group, > > > > > where > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > also > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > you in > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > Charts > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > Natal > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > on > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > Examples even > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > the > > > > > food > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > what is > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > confirmation > > > > > in > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > already > > > > > wrote > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > learn from > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > and > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > > > does > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > same > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > the > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > would > > > > > learn > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > is > > > > > seen > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > > > it > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > well, > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > predicts > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > not > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > group of > > > > > at > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > in the > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > astrology does > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > window. > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > on > > > > > how > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > shall > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > read D-1 > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > are > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > logical > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > us > > > > > take > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > 2000 > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > and may > > > > > be > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > D-24, if > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > back. > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > consider > > > > > what > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > KP is > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > going > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > in D > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > Please > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > normal > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > children is > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > the > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > Natal > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > goodself > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > has > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > Natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > be > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > Father. > > > > > So > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > and are > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > see how > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > with > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > confirmations > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > searching > > > > > it. > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > true. If > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > different > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > shot. > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > Charts. I > > > > > have > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > years > > > > > ago, > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > am not > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > > change > > > > > sides > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > makes > > > > > it > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > searching > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > one > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > encourage > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > I > > > > > want > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > advance. > > > > > SO > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > to > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > other > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > birth > > > > > chart > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > saying > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > to > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > properly. > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > have gone > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > for > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > you > > > > > show > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > > D > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > every > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > talking > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > balls > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > say > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > predictions, in > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > negating > > > > > this > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > wheres > > > > > the > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > D > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > every > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > talk of > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > indications > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > or > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > identifying an > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > that > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > which > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > charts > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > when > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > charts, > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > of > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > and > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > find > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > any > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > in > > > > > one > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > etc. are > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > points > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > recall as > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > not > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > can > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > if one > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > correct > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 I shall definitely listen to someone " joh sagar mein dubki lagate hain " . Par pehle maloom to ho jaye ki uski dubki kitni hai. She never analysed 9th, you read all the posts and 9th in natal does not show that. Why don't ypu participate in the charts put by Neelamji. Both are similar in natal chart. And if you think they are authentic, how can you distinguish between the two without Divisions. In future, I shall suggest you to refrain from personal remarks since I don't make any. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhai Sahab. > > Pond mein dubki lagaate lagaate jindagi nikal jayeegi. Meri maaniye, joh > saagar mein roj nahaate hain unki baat manne se aapka hi fayda hai, mera > nahin... > > She never missed anything. She predcited perfectly about Engineering in > one shot. I would call it a great prediction. The 9th is for higher > studies.... > > We shall put up few charts and ask you to show the profession of the > native. Then we shall see who misses what. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does > not indicate what native attained. > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall > experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says > it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your > analysis. > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is > seen > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen > from > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was > very > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would > not > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I > marvelled > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would > not > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced > Guru > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not > comment > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the > new > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other > matters > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study > and > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what > Soniaji > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and > her > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th > house > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in > education, > > > which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is > new > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would > experiment > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering > by > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and > 4th > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it > very > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is > also > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " siva " > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education > /father > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's > 4th > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house > has > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > Experts > > > can > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the > Natal > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > predict > > > even one > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but > use > > > of the > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > astrology. So > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > utterly no > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It > just > > > needs > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it > with > > > the D > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always > to > > > show > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just > to > > > ephasise > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is > there, > > > but > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future > ? > > > There > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. > Show > > > me one > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > future > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > otherwise > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this > is > > > failure > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups > are > > > failures > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable > view > > > or > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > confirmed > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu > show > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > studies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we > need > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but > all > > > > > > before > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP > along > > > with > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow > 4th > > > and > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what > is > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. > Both > > > 4th and > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to > get > > > the > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is > not > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > significances of > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has > been > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results > from > > > 4th > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well > thanks > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter > period. > > > Hope > > > > > > it > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa > etc. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th > is > > > for > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > predicted > > > till > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, > other > > > > > > members > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > that > > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > linked > > > with > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it > not > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > connected > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > education > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and > eighth > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > education. > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > currently > > > running > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your > name, it > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > that > > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > linked > > > with > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth > with > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > sixth > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > then i > > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > continuous > > > till > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth > with > > > sixth > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > sixth > > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > then > > > i > > > > > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail > with > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > Saturn > > > is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three > is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > should be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > having no > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. > But > > > Moon in > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > disturbance > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > starts > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > Jupiter > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > Rahus > > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > could > > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit > for > > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > written in > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period > may > > > not be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > Saturn is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three > is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > Education > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance > dasha > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to > follow > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > education. > > > All > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > connection > > > > > > to > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, > Mars > > > in > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > education, but > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > Jupiter > > > will be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > Rahus > > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > could > > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit > for > > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period > may > > > not be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a > long > > > mail. > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has > its > > > own > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > previous > > > mail. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary > details > > > so > > > > > > that > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > middle of > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand > what > > > I > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > person > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > event > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice > it, > > > or it > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity > of > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > through KP, > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > others > > > cannot > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > reasoning > > > out the > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have > other > > > work > > > > > > also > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not > mean > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > Astrology > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions > to > > > any > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already > know > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions > through > > > D > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, > so > > > that we > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > vegetable > > > dish > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, > that > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding > the > > > matter > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > definitely > > > > > > come > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it > may be > > > even > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter > to > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > though I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest > " Factors > > > for > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where > D-12 > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > normal > > > > > > family > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having > a > > > problem. > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make > him. > > > BUT > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > Group, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional > and > > > also > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction > from > > > you in > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using > the D > > > Charts > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through > the > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now > put > > > on > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way > of > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > Examples even > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but > serve > > > the > > > > > > food > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > argument > > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there > is no > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > confirm > > > what is > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D > Charts. > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > confirmation > > > > > > in > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look > into > > > what > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > already > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if > you > > > study > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > astrologers > > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved > in > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > necessary to > > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it > is > > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > learn from > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > divisions > > > and > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > astrology > > > > > > does > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within > the > > > same > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is > the > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can > divide > > > the > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where > one > > > cannot > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from > the D > > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > would > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > argument > > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm > what > > > is > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > In > > > fact > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look > into > > > what > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > study > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, > which > > > uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > astrologers > > > > > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved > in > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if > someone > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary > to > > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it > is > > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one > can > > > not > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > group of > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > placements > > > in the > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > astrology does > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the > same > > > window. > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha > meant > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where > one > > > cannot > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from > the D > > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > illustration > > > on > > > > > > how > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and > D-charts > > > shall > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart > can > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people > in > > > the > > > > > > group > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying > they > > > are > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > logical > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > Let > > > us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 > to > > > 2000 > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > window > > > and may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > Amsas, it > > > has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few > days > > > back. > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > consider > > > > > > what > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > Shastras. > > > KP is > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > without > > > going > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become > adept > > > in D > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal > Chart. > > > Please > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing > the > > > normal > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > children is > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure > all > > > the > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > goodself > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of > approach > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which > one > > > has > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > Natal > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, > will > > > be > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of > the D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > Father. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) > home > > > and are > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will > first > > > see how > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your > son > > > with > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > confirmations > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > searching > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > true. If > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not > that > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration > of > > > > > > different > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which > I > > > shot. > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > Charts. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about > 2 > > > years > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this > process > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time > I > > > am not > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > > > change > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > match...This > > > makes > > > > > > it > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > searching > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book > and > > > one > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > encourage > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D > Charts. > > > I > > > > > > want > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > advance. > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for > them > > > to > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept > in > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from > the > > > other > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > birth > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am > not > > > saying > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a > wrong > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small > group > > > to > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts > in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last > mail > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > have gone > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > comments > > > > > > on > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make > any > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > matters > > > for > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where > can > > > you > > > > > > show > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in > the > > > D > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not > abour > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP > in > > > every > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, > start > > > talking > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or > Crystal > > > balls > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > trying to > > > say > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > negating > > > > > > this > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > wheres > > > > > > the > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs > and > > > D > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > antras of > > > every > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > talk of > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses > Amsas > > > or > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > identifying an > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. > for > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other > uses > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > horoscope > > > that > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read > chart > > > which > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, > virtual > > > charts > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > predict > > > when > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for > blind > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > postmartem > > > of > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > Santhanam, > > > and > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will > never > > > find > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, > in > > > any > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV > raman > > > in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > etc. are > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just > the > > > points > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > recall as > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view > does > > > not > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many > who > > > can > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects > in > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter > even > > > if one > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > correct > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See > your > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See > your > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear moderator, Please ask group members to refrain from making personal remarks. I never make any such remarks. Dear Bhaskarji, I have never copied anyone. You think twice before what you speak. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sir, > > Vijay maalya if he wears white shoes, and i also wear the same, does not > make me Vijay mallya. If gautam Singhania goes to a particular disco > which I too visit , does not make me equal to his ranks. > > Nakal mein bhi akkal ki jaroorat hai. > > Neelamji has proved herself through hundreds and thousands of > predictions on this Group and others , and participated in thousands of > discussions and has been allowed to write even on Shri KN Raos Website. > Plus she has many other qualifications to her credit which I cannot > disclose without her permission. > > When she speaks, there is some weight coming in those words. A faith in > her justice, the faith in the data she puts up, the knowledge of > security being connected to her postings. > > Where have we seen a single display of analysis on Your part, to know > You . > > And it is You who has been speaking much on D Charts. So now why not > get down to actually practising what You have preached ? > > By the way Neelamji is one of the respected Moderators hereon this > Group. She is well known to many of us. Just forget her address or > contact numbers etc. and get down to analysing the D charts of the birth > data given by neelamji and please give the professions of both the > natives. > > Thank You. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Neelamji and all, > > > > Now why shall I participate in chart put by Neelamji. I don't know > her, her contact address, her details. And what is the authenticity of > the data she has put. > > > > //I am just repeating what Bhaskarji put// > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev Ji and all, > > > > > > Let us get on to the practical side of astrology. I have posted two > charts > > > from an authentic source. > > > Please feel free to discuss the charts so that everyone would have > some > > > hands-on experience of reading the charts > > > Sonia ji has done a wonderful job on the data given by you. > Similarly, I > > > invite comments on the two charts, specially on the profession. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 15:25, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a > person > > > > whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact, > > > > address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a > > > > person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the > authenticity of > > > > a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody > wants > > > > me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put > up on > > > > the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you > feel they > > > > are so important. > > > > > > > > It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart > well, > > > > would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs > away. > > > > It is you who did not participate after chart was put. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read > natal > > > > chart. Basic fundas are same. > > > > > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate > reduces > > > > significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The > day > > > > we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all > scientists > > > > in the world. > > > > > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And > why > > > > shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is > rotten > > > > or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need > > > > D-chart or Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements > which have > > > > > > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one > reads > > > > the D > > > > > > charts one will never fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one > justify and > > > > > > accept the above statements as true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise > of > > > > D-24 > > > > > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the > > > > predictions > > > > > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above > > > > statements, > > > > > > how is it connected ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, > and all > > > > > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done > by the > > > > > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of > display, > > > > > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > > > > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each > others > > > > point > > > > > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate > matters by > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so > called > > > > > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on > and > > > > > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > gopi > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart > analysis. > > > > > > Wait! > > > > > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is > equating KP > > > > with > > > > > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts > without > > > > > > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. > > > > Division > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji > does). > > > > KP > > > > > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does > not > > > > need > > > > > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > > > > Experts > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to > the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > > > > predict > > > > > > even > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing > but > > > > use > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > > > astrology. So > > > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts > make > > > > > > utterly > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal > Chart. It > > > > just > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one > equate it > > > > with > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > always > > > > to > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP > just > > > > to > > > > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know > is > > > > there, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for > future > > > > ? > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish > Groups. > > > > Show > > > > > > me > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting > for the > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very > important > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If > this > > > > is > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these > Groups > > > > are > > > > > > > failures > > > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a > digestable > > > > view > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot > be > > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and > Rahu > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms > technical > > > > > > > studies > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but > we > > > > need > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the > details. > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as > well but > > > > all > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply > KP > > > > along > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > follow > > > > 4th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but > what > > > > is > > > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal > education. > > > > Both > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or > not to > > > > get > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com>, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and > intelligence is > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and > has > > > > been > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > results > > > > from > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. > Well > > > > thanks > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > <%40yaho\ > ogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in > Jupiter > > > > period. > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter > aspecing Sa > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house > and 5th > > > > is > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > > > > predicted > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. > Anyway, > > > > other > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he > take. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > and > > > > that > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > directly > > > > linked > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how > is it > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords > getting > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the > quality of > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth > and > > > > eighth > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > > > > currently > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read > your > > > > name, it > > > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > eighth > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > and > > > > that > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > directly > > > > linked > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > ninth > > > > with > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is > fifth and > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > it. > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > education, > > > > then i > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > mail with > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > > > continuous > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > eighth > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > ninth > > > > with > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth > and > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > education, > > > > then > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > mail > > > > with > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth > lord > > > > Saturn > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > Jupiter.From > > > > Moon > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > this > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > house from > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > three > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house > lords.Education > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical > education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth > house, > > > > > > having > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from > lagna. > > > > But > > > > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give > some > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told > you Dasa > > > > > > > starts > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu > and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > career. > > > > Rahus > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > he > > > > could > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > sit > > > > for > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > can give > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon > as > > > > > > written > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial > period > > > > may > > > > > > not > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > get into > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > Jupiter.From > > > > Moon > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > this > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > house from > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > three > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > > > > Education > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, > Balance > > > > dasha > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha > to > > > > follow > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > > > education. > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > direct > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > sign, > > > > Mars > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > in > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > career. > > > > Rahus > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > he > > > > could > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > sit > > > > for > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > can give > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu > and > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial > period > > > > may > > > > > > not > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > get into > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you > write a > > > > long > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it > already has > > > > its > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > > > previous > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but > planetary > > > > details > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where > ASC is > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as > Rasi > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > understand > > > > what > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > > > > person > > > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot > notice any > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > notice > > > > it, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > necessity > > > > of > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice > that > > > > > > through > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > > > > others > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > > > > reasoning > > > > > > out > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many > have > > > > other > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does > not > > > > mean > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > > > > Astrology > > > > > > or > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their > aversions > > > > to > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > already > > > > know > > > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about > predictions > > > > through > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the > same, > > > > so > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > dish > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not > mean, > > > > that > > > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also > cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > finding > > > > the > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to > identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex > axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > astrology] Re: > > > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, > 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I > would > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, > it > > > > may be > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not > matter > > > > to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not > prediction > > > > > > though > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the > latest > > > > " Factors > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there > where > > > > D-12 > > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like > the > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is > having > > > > a > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you > make > > > > him. > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has > already > > > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the > D > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in > this > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > traditional > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single > prediction > > > > from > > > > > > you > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions > using > > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > through > > > > the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and > please now > > > > put > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... > by way > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me > 3 > > > > > > Examples > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes > but > > > > serve > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > > > > argument > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if > there > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > > > > confirm > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm > D > > > > Charts. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in > affirmations. > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is > no > > > > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must > look > > > > into > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. > But > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect > apart. I > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP > if > > > > you > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, > which > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > involved > > > > in > > > > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > > > necessary to > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In > fact it > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > predict > > > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would > like to > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > > > divisions > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our > Traditional > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births > within > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? > What is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that > can > > > > divide > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example > where > > > > one > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so > from > > > > the D > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May > be, I > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > > > > argument > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > confirm > > > > what > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > Charts. > > > > In > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must > look > > > > into > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. > But > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP > if you > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the > Shastras, > > > > which > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > involved > > > > in > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, > if > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is > illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > necessary > > > > to > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In > fact it > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > predict > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to > logic, one > > > > can > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have > been a > > > > > > group > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > > > > placements > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > also. > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our > Traditional > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within > the > > > > same > > > > > > > window. > > > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the > Navamsha > > > > meant > > > > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example > where > > > > one > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so > from > > > > the D > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > > > illustration > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal > and > > > > D-charts > > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read > D-chart > > > > can > > > > > > read > > > > > > > D-1 > > > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many > people > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not > saying > > > > they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are > also > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > D-chart. > > > > Let > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at > least 1000 > > > > to > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > > > > window > > > > > > and > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without > looking at > > > > > > D-24, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and > is > > > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > > > Amsas, it > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology > few > > > > days > > > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of > Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we > need to > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > > > Shastras. > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > > > > without > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot > become > > > > adept > > > > > > in > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the > Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > passing > > > > the > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after > the > > > > > > > children is > > > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > sure > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + > D > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without > using > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is > what your > > > > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference > of > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > which > > > > one > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices > in the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from > the > > > > > > sapthamsa > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal > Chart, > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no > study of > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come > without a > > > > > > > Father. > > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D > Charts) > > > > home > > > > > > and > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you > will > > > > first > > > > > > see > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to > marry your > > > > son > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart > with > > > > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even > thinking of > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is > also > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart > is not > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and > consideration > > > > of > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve > which > > > > I > > > > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects > in D > > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue > about > > > > 2 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in > this > > > > process > > > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But > this time > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. > Like to > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > > > match...This > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually > bother > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > book > > > > and > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not > want to > > > > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in > D > > > > Charts. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an > event in > > > > > > > advance. > > > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy > for > > > > them > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much > adept > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > from > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even > without a > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. > I am > > > > not > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is > a > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the > small > > > > group > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect > parts > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my > last > > > > mail > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not > exist. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before > making > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > make > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > > > > matters > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, > where > > > > can > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be > seen in > > > > the > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and > not > > > > abour > > > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring > in KP > > > > in > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > wil, > > > > start > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, > or > > > > Crystal > > > > > > > balls > > > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > > > trying to > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > > > predictions, > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But > who is > > > > > > > negating > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying > so. So > > > > > > > wheres > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of > KP Subs > > > > and > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > > > antras of > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient > shastras > > > > > > talk > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, > some > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone > uses > > > > Amsas > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > > > identifying > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > e.g. > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the > other > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and > read > > > > chart > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these > Amsas, > > > > virtual > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > > > > predict > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but > for > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > > > postmartem > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > > > > Santhanam, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one > will > > > > never > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > Charts, > > > > in > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the > relevant > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, > Shri BV > > > > raman > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even > Navamsha > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > just > > > > the > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what > I can > > > > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal > view > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are > not many > > > > who > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > aspects > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each > his > > > > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not > matter > > > > even > > > > > > if > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to > give > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and > best > > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! > See > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! > See > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 I m not supposed to participate but You are. Since you have been speaking much on D charts since last 3 weeks. The onus lies on You to participate, or else accept that You know nothing either on Natal Astrology or D Charts and leave with dignity and next time make no more proclamations and judgements on Astrology. I repeat the 9th house is for higher studies...Does that ring a bell somewhere ? Soniaji did not miss theimportant fact which you had asked for and which you accepted yourself - Engineering. Now whether she saw the Chart upside down, or with half eyes closed, or while singing a song, does not matter. She did predict right from the Natal Chart. Now its your duty to predict from the D Charts as you have been propogating much of this. So get down to practicals instead of further unnecessary discussions please. Yes and nothing personal. I will come to have lunch whenever you invite me with a smile. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > I shall definitely listen to someone " joh sagar mein dubki lagate hain " . Par pehle maloom to ho jaye ki uski dubki kitni hai. > > She never analysed 9th, you read all the posts and 9th in natal does not show that. Why don't ypu participate in the charts put by Neelamji. Both are similar in natal chart. And if you think they are authentic, how can you distinguish between the two without Divisions. > > In future, I shall suggest you to refrain from personal remarks since I don't make any. > > regds > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Bhai Sahab. > > > > Pond mein dubki lagaate lagaate jindagi nikal jayeegi. Meri maaniye, joh > > saagar mein roj nahaate hain unki baat manne se aapka hi fayda hai, mera > > nahin... > > > > She never missed anything. She predcited perfectly about Engineering in > > one shot. I would call it a great prediction. The 9th is for higher > > studies.... > > > > We shall put up few charts and ask you to show the profession of the > > native. Then we shall see who misses what. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does > > not indicate what native attained. > > > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall > > experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says > > it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your > > analysis. > > > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is > > seen > > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen > > from > > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was > > very > > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would > > not > > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I > > marvelled > > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would > > not > > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced > > Guru > > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not > > comment > > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the > > new > > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other > > matters > > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study > > and > > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what > > Soniaji > > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and > > her > > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th > > house > > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in > > education, > > > > which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is > > new > > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would > > experiment > > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering > > by > > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and > > 4th > > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it > > very > > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is > > also > > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " siva " > > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education > > /father > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's > > 4th > > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house > > has > > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > > Experts > > > > can > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the > > Natal > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > > predict > > > > even one > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but > > use > > > > of the > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > astrology. So > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > > utterly no > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It > > just > > > > needs > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it > > with > > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always > > to > > > > show > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just > > to > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is > > there, > > > > but > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future > > ? > > > > There > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. > > Show > > > > me one > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > > future > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this > > is > > > > failure > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups > > are > > > > failures > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable > > view > > > > or > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu > > show > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > > studies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we > > need > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but > > all > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP > > along > > > > with > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow > > 4th > > > > and > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what > > is > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. > > Both > > > > 4th and > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to > > get > > > > the > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is > > not > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has > > been > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results > > from > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well > > thanks > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter > > period. > > > > Hope > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th > > is > > > > for > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > > predicted > > > > till > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, > > other > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > > that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it > > not > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > > connected > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > > education > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and > > eighth > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > > currently > > > > running > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your > > name, it > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > > that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth > > with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > > then i > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > continuous > > > > till > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth > > with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > > then > > > > i > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail > > with > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > Saturn > > > > is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three > > is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > > should be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > > having no > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. > > But > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > > starts > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > > Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit > > for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > > written in > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period > > may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > Saturn is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three > > is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > > Education > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance > > dasha > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to > > follow > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > education. > > > > All > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > > connection > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, > > Mars > > > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > > education, but > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > will be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > > Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit > > for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period > > may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a > > long > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has > > its > > > > own > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > previous > > > > mail. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary > > details > > > > so > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > > middle of > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand > > what > > > > I > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > > person > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > > event > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice > > it, > > > > or it > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity > > of > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > > through KP, > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > > others > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > > reasoning > > > > out the > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have > > other > > > > work > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not > > mean > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > > Astrology > > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions > > to > > > > any > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already > > know > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions > > through > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, > > so > > > > that we > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > > vegetable > > > > dish > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, > > that > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding > > the > > > > matter > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > > definitely > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it > > may be > > > > even > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter > > to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > > though I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest > > " Factors > > > > for > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where > > D-12 > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > > normal > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having > > a > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make > > him. > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > > Group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional > > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction > > from > > > > you in > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using > > the D > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through > > the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now > > put > > > > on > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way > > of > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > > Examples even > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but > > serve > > > > the > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > > argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there > > is no > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > > confirm > > > > what is > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > In > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look > > into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > > already > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if > > you > > > > study > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved > > in > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > > learn from > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > divisions > > > > and > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is > > the > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can > > divide > > > > the > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where > > one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > > would > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > > argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm > > what > > > > is > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > fact > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look > > into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, > > which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved > > in > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if > > someone > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary > > to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one > > can > > > > not > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > > group of > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > > placements > > > > in the > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology does > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the > > same > > > > window. > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > meant > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where > > one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > illustration > > > > on > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and > > D-charts > > > > shall > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart > > can > > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > > logical > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > Let > > > > us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 > > to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > > window > > > > and may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > Amsas, it > > > > has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few > > days > > > > back. > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > > consider > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > Shastras. > > > > KP is > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > > without > > > > going > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become > > adept > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal > > Chart. > > > > Please > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing > > the > > > > normal > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > > children is > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of > > approach > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which > > one > > > > has > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of > > the D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > > Father. > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) > > home > > > > and are > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will > > first > > > > see how > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your > > son > > > > with > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > > searching > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > > true. If > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not > > that > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration > > of > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which > > I > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > > Charts. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about > > 2 > > > > years > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this > > process > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time > > I > > > > am not > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to > > > > change > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > match...This > > > > makes > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > > searching > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book > > and > > > > one > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D > > Charts. > > > > I > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > > advance. > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for > > them > > > > to > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept > > in > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > > birth > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am > > not > > > > saying > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a > > wrong > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small > > group > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts > > in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last > > mail > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > > have gone > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > > comments > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make > > any > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > > matters > > > > for > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where > > can > > > > you > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in > > the > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not > > abour > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP > > in > > > > every > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, > > start > > > > talking > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or > > Crystal > > > > balls > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > trying to > > > > say > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > > negating > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > > wheres > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs > > and > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > antras of > > > > every > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > > talk of > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses > > Amsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > identifying an > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. > > for > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other > > uses > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > > horoscope > > > > that > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read > > chart > > > > which > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, > > virtual > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > > predict > > > > when > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for > > blind > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > postmartem > > > > of > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > > Santhanam, > > > > and > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will > > never > > > > find > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, > > in > > > > any > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV > > raman > > > > in > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > > etc. are > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just > > the > > > > points > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many > > who > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects > > in > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his > > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter > > even > > > > if one > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > > correct > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Dev ji, If You think I made a personal remark (Which I did not), then I apologise for the same. Now after my apology the matter being closed, please get down to predicting the professions of both the natives whose Birth details have been put up, through D -24 please, and also ask your frind Siva to do the same. Doodh ka dooh aur paani ka paani abhi farkpata chal jayega. regards, Bhaskar. , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear moderator,> > Please ask group members to refrain from making personal remarks. I never make any such remarks.> > Dear Bhaskarji,> > I have never copied anyone. You think twice before what you speak. > > regds> Dev> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Sir,> > > > Vijay maalya if he wears white shoes, and i also wear the same, does not> > make me Vijay mallya. If gautam Singhania goes to a particular disco> > which I too visit , does not make me equal to his ranks.> > > > Nakal mein bhi akkal ki jaroorat hai.> > > > Neelamji has proved herself through hundreds and thousands of> > predictions on this Group and others , and participated in thousands of> > discussions and has been allowed to write even on Shri KN Raos Website.> > Plus she has many other qualifications to her credit which I cannot> > disclose without her permission.> > > > When she speaks, there is some weight coming in those words. A faith in> > her justice, the faith in the data she puts up, the knowledge of> > security being connected to her postings.> > > > Where have we seen a single display of analysis on Your part, to know> > You .> > > > And it is You who has been speaking much on D Charts. So now why not> > get down to actually practising what You have preached ?> > > > By the way Neelamji is one of the respected Moderators hereon this> > Group. She is well known to many of us. Just forget her address or> > contact numbers etc. and get down to analysing the D charts of the birth> > data given by neelamji and please give the professions of both the> > natives.> > > > Thank You.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelamji and all,> > >> > > Now why shall I participate in chart put by Neelamji. I don't know> > her, her contact address, her details. And what is the authenticity of> > the data she has put.> > >> > > //I am just repeating what Bhaskarji put//> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > >> > > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dev Ji and all,> > > >> > > > Let us get on to the practical side of astrology. I have posted two> > charts> > > > from an authentic source.> > > > Please feel free to discuss the charts so that everyone would have> > some> > > > hands-on experience of reading the charts> > > > Sonia ji has done a wonderful job on the data given by you.> > Similarly, I> > > > invite comments on the two charts, specially on the profession.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 13 February 2010 15:25, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > >> > > > > I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a> > person> > > > > whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact,> > > > > address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a> > > > > person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the> > authenticity of> > > > > a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody> > wants> > > > > me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put> > up on> > > > > the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you> > feel they> > > > > are so important.> > > > >> > > > > It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart> > well,> > > > > would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not.> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs> > away.> > > > > It is you who did not participate after chart was put.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read> > natal> > > > > chart. Basic fundas are same.> > > > > > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate> > reduces> > > > > significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The> > day> > > > > we can say "never fail", Astrology would be accepted by all> > scientists> > > > > in the world.> > > > > > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And> > why> > > > > shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is> > rotten> > > > > or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need> > > > > D-chart or Amsas.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements> > which have> > > > > > > been made by Shri Dev ji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts> > better.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one> > reads> > > > > the D> > > > > > > charts one will never fail.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one> > justify and> > > > > > > accept the above statements as true ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise> > of> > > > > D-24> > > > > > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the> > > > > predictions> > > > > > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above> > > > > statements,> > > > > > > how is it connected ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being,> > and all> > > > > > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done> > by the> > > > > > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of> > display,> > > > > > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji> > > > > > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.//> > > > > > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each> > others> > > > > point> > > > > > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate> > matters by> > > > > > > taking> > > > > > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so> > called> > > > > > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on> > and> > > > > > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!!> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi> > > > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart> > analysis.> > > > > > > Wait!> > > > > > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is> > equating KP> > > > > with> > > > > > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts> > without> > > > > > > > natal? It is you.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart.> > > > > Division> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji> > does).> > > > > KP> > > > > > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does> > not> > > > > need> > > > > > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not> > help.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the> > > > > Experts> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to> > the> > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > Charts ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny> > > > > predict> > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal> > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing> > but> > > > > use> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional> > > > > astrology. So> > > > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts> > make> > > > > > > utterly> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal> > Chart. It> > > > > just> > > > > > > > needs> > > > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one> > equate it> > > > > with> > > > > > > > the D> > > > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying> > always> > > > > to> > > > > > > > show> > > > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP> > just> > > > > to> > > > > > > > ephasise> > > > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know> > is> > > > > there,> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for> > future> > > > > ?> > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish> > Groups.> > > > > Show> > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting> > for the> > > > > > > > future> > > > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very> > important> > > > > > > > otherwise> > > > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If> > this> > > > > is> > > > > > > > failure> > > > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these> > Groups> > > > > are> > > > > > > > failures> > > > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a> > digestable> > > > > view> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > thought ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot> > be> > > > > > > confirmed> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and> > Rahu> > > > > show> > > > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms> > technical> > > > > > > > studies> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > inclinations.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but> > we> > > > > need> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > charts to look from ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please explain.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the> > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am> > > > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as> > well but> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply> > KP> > > > > along> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people> > follow> > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but> > what> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > learning,> > > > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal> > education.> > > > > Both> > > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or> > not to> > > > > get> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > Mehdiratta> > > > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and> > intelligence is> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > exactly> > > > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other> > > > > > > > significances of> > > > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and> > has> > > > > been> > > > > > > > > > discussed> > > > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting> > results> > > > > from> > > > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter.> > Well> > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > information.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > <%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in> > Jupiter> > > > > period.> > > > > > > > Hope> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter> > aspecing Sa> > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house> > and 5th> > > > > is> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you> > > > > predicted> > > > > > > till> > > > > > > > > > > bachelors.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this.> > Anyway,> > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > members> > > > > > > > > > > don't seem interested.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he> > take.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect> > and> > > > > that> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not> > directly> > > > > linked> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how> > is it> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords> > getting> > > > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the> > quality of> > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth> > and> > > > > eighth> > > > > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his> > > > > education.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is> > > > > currently> > > > > > > > running> > > > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord> > Saturn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read> > your> > > > > name, it> > > > > > > > > > reminds> > > > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in> > eighth> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect> > and> > > > > that> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not> > directly> > > > > linked> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in> > ninth> > > > > with> > > > > > > > sixth> > > > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is> > fifth and> > > > > > > sixth> > > > > > > > > > lord.> > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from> > it.> > > > > //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his> > education,> > > > > then i> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that> > mail with> > > > > > > > nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > details. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was> > > > > continuous> > > > > > > > till> > > > > > > > > > > Bachelors.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in> > eighth> > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in> > ninth> > > > > with> > > > > > > > sixth> > > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth> > and> > > > > sixth> > > > > > > > lord.> > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from> > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his> > education,> > > > > then> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that> > mail> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth> > lord> > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by> > Jupiter.From> > > > > Moon> > > > > > > > sign,> > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > > > > > > > debilitated,> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting> > this> > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth> > house from> > > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these> > three> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house> > lords.Education> > > > > > > > should be> > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical> > education?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth> > house,> > > > > > > having> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from> > lagna.> > > > > But> > > > > > > > Moon in> > > > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give> > some> > > > > > > > disturbance> > > > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told> > you Dasa> > > > > > > > starts> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > Moon?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu> > and> > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his> > career.> > > > > Rahus> > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter,> > he> > > > > could> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to> > sit> > > > > for> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas> > can give> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > change> > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon> > as> > > > > > > written> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > earlier mail.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial> > period> > > > > may> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly> > get into> > > > > > > > technical> > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord> > > > > Saturn is> > > > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by> > Jupiter.From> > > > > Moon> > > > > > > > sign,> > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > > > > > > > debilitated,> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting> > this> > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth> > house from> > > > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these> > three> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords.> > > > > Education> > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn,> > Balance> > > > > dasha> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha> > to> > > > > follow> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal> > > > > education.> > > > > > > > All> > > > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no> > direct> > > > > > > > connection> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own> > sign,> > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance> > in> > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and> > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > will be> > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his> > career.> > > > > Rahus> > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter,> > he> > > > > could> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to> > sit> > > > > for> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas> > can give> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > change> > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu> > and> > > > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial> > period> > > > > may> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly> > get into> > > > > > > > technical> > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you> > write a> > > > > long> > > > > > > > mail.> > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it> > already has> > > > > its> > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my> > > > > previous> > > > > > > > mail.> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon> > > > > education.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but> > planetary> > > > > details> > > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where> > ASC is> > > > > > > middle> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as> > Rasi> > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot> > understand> > > > > what> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > understood. That> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any> > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > specific.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot> > notice any> > > > > > > event> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > the Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot> > notice> > > > > it,> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the> > necessity> > > > > of> > > > > > > > the D> > > > > > > > > > > Charts to locate> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice> > that> > > > > > > through> > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or> > > > > others> > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > > > notice it through> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time> > > > > reasoning> > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > why for every> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many> > have> > > > > other> > > > > > > > work> > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > to do instead> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does> > not> > > > > mean> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > chart has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional> > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their> > aversions> > > > > to> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > system, but rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they> > already> > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > about.> > > > > > > > > > > If for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about> > predictions> > > > > through> > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > Charts, then please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the> > same,> > > > > so> > > > > > > > that we> > > > > > > > > > > can learn more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook> > > > > vegetable> > > > > > > > dish> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not> > mean,> > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > vegetable> > > > > > > > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also> > cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with> > finding> > > > > the> > > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to> > identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex> > axeplex@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > astrology] Re:> > > > > > > > SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010,> > 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I> > would> > > > > > > definitely> > > > > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > > > back in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month,> > it> > > > > may be> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > three months.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not> > matter> > > > > to> > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not> > prediction> > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > participated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the> > latest> > > > > "Factors> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there> > where> > > > > D-12> > > > > > > > > > strongly> > > > > > > > > > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like> > the> > > > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is> > having> > > > > a> > > > > > > > problem.> > > > > > > > > > > He does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you> > make> > > > > him.> > > > > > > BUT> > > > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has> > already> > > > > > > > > > suspected.> > > > > > > > > > > This does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the> > D> > > > > Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in> > this> > > > > > > Group,> > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > 80% of the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used> > traditional> > > > > and> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single> > prediction> > > > > from> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > this Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions> > using> > > > > the D> > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > and also> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made> > through> > > > > the> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > Chart on a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and> > please now> > > > > put> > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > display all what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now....> > by way> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me> > 3> > > > > > > Examples> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > if I give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes> > but> > > > > serve> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > food> > > > > > > > > > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > com, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an> > > > > argument> > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if> > there> > > > > is no> > > > > > > > > > > opposition since it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to> > > > > confirm> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > seen in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm> > D> > > > > Charts.> > > > > > > In> > > > > > > > > > fact> > > > > > > > > > > it is better> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in> > affirmations.> > > > > //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is> > no> > > > > > > > confirmation> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must> > look> > > > > into> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > works, rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras.> > But> > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect> > apart. I> > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > wrote> > > > > > > > > > > in one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP> > if> > > > > you> > > > > > > > study> > > > > > > > > > > well, you will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras,> > which> > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies> > involved> > > > > in> > > > > > > > same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not> > > > > necessary to> > > > > > > > study> > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In> > fact it> > > > > is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to> > predict> > > > > well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would> > like to> > > > > > > learn> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has> > > > > divisions> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > does not need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our> > Traditional> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > not teach us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births> > within> > > > > the> > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > window. What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ?> > What is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Navamsha> > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that> > can> > > > > divide> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > group to at> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example> > where> > > > > one> > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > > > predict> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so> > from> > > > > the D> > > > > > > 24> > > > > > > > > > > Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May> > be, I> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > learn> > > > > > > > > > > but am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an> > > > > argument> > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to> > confirm> > > > > what> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > > > in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D> > Charts.> > > > > In> > > > > > > > fact> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > is better if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must> > look> > > > > into> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > works, rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras.> > But> > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP> > if you> > > > > > > study> > > > > > > > > > well,> > > > > > > > > > > you will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the> > Shastras,> > > > > which> > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day> > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies> > involved> > > > > in> > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24,> > if> > > > > someone> > > > > > > > > > predicts> > > > > > > > > > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is> > illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not> > necessary> > > > > to> > > > > > > > study> > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In> > fact it> > > > > is> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to> > predict> > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to> > logic, one> > > > > can> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have> > been a> > > > > > > group> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > > least 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet> > > > > placements> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > ASC window and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day> > also.> > > > > //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our> > Traditional> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > not teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within> > the> > > > > same> > > > > > > > window.> > > > > > > > > > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the> > Navamsha> > > > > meant> > > > > > > > for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example> > where> > > > > one> > > > > > > > cannot> > > > > > > > > > > predict education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so> > from> > > > > the D> > > > > > > 24> > > > > > > > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an> > > > > illustration> > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > to calculate> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal> > and> > > > > D-charts> > > > > > > > shall> > > > > > > > > > > be studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read> > D-chart> > > > > can> > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > D-1> > > > > > > > > > > also. Basic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many> > people> > > > > in> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > group> > > > > > > > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not> > saying> > > > > they> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are> > also> > > > > > > > logical> > > > > > > > > > > here. And when it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore> > D-chart.> > > > > Let> > > > > > > > us> > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at> > least 1000> > > > > to> > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > people born with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC> > > > > window> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > even more if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without> > looking at> > > > > > > D-24,> > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > someone predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and> > is> > > > > > > illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or> > > > > Amsas, it> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > exist. We had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology> > few> > > > > days> > > > > > > > back.> > > > > > > > > > > Whatever concept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of> > Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we> > need to> > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in> > > > > Shastras.> > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > not written in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > astrology@> > > > > > > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child> > > > > without> > > > > > > > going> > > > > > > > > > > through a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot> > become> > > > > adept> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > Charts without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the> > Natal> > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > Please> > > > > > > > > > > tell me how can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without> > passing> > > > > the> > > > > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after> > the> > > > > > > > children is> > > > > > > > > > > born. Its> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the> > world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am> > sure> > > > > all> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > members here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts +> > D> > > > > Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without> > using> > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is> > what your> > > > > > > > goodself> > > > > > > > > > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference> > of> > > > > approach> > > > > > > > > > > actually, instead its> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach> > which> > > > > one> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > taken to approach> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices> > in the> > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > for say the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from> > the> > > > > > > sapthamsa> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > what one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal> > Chart,> > > > > will> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > conformed from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no> > study of> > > > > the D> > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > can be done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come> > without a> > > > > > > > Father.> > > > > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > > > > if you want to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D> > Charts)> > > > > home> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > going to meet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you> > will> > > > > first> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > her Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to> > marry your> > > > > son> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > that 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even> > thinking of> > > > > > > > searching> > > > > > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > Just to add> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is> > also> > > > > > > true.> > > > > > > > If> > > > > > > > > > > someone is adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart> > is not> > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > difficult since there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and> > consideration> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > > astrology@> > > > > > > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve> > which> > > > > I> > > > > > > > shot.> > > > > > > > > > > Nobody will find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects> > in D> > > > > > > Charts.> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue> > about> > > > > 2> > > > > > > > years> > > > > > > > > > ago,> > > > > > > > > > > where I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in> > this> > > > > process> > > > > > > > > > rummaged> > > > > > > > > > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But> > this time> > > > > I> > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > standing in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.> > Like to> > > > > > > change> > > > > > > > > > sides> > > > > > > > > > > and switch> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next> > > > > match...This> > > > > > > > makes> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually> > bother> > > > > > > > searching> > > > > > > > > > > for this. You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one> > book> > > > > and> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > Line, which I will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not> > want to> > > > > > > > encourage> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in> > D> > > > > Charts.> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > want> > > > > > > > > > > them to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an> > event in> > > > > > > > advance.> > > > > > > > > > SO> > > > > > > > > > > my efforts are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy> > for> > > > > them> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > connect what has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much> > adept> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > predicting from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting> > from> > > > > the> > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even> > without a> > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > in hand or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > ancient_indian_> > > > > > > > astrology@> > > > > > > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood.> > I am> > > > > not> > > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > > > to compare KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is> > a> > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > comparison. I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the> > small> > > > > group> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > reach the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect> > parts> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > ancient_indian_> > > > > > > > astrology@> > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my> > last> > > > > mail> > > > > > > > > > properly.> > > > > > > > > > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not> > exist. 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