Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Dev Ji,If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars.Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.Waiting for your inputs.Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM Re: SRILANKA Bhaskarji, I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. Asc - Libra - No Planet 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter 3rd - Sag - No Planet 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon 5th - Aquarius - No planet 6th - Pisces - No planet 7th - Aries - No Planet 8th - Taurus - Saturn 9th - Gemini - No planet 10th - Cancer - Ketu 11th - Leo - No Planet 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. regds Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Dev ji, > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > that event. This is not right astrology. > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > KP. > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > about how to predict through the same. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > and > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > made > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > Â > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > or > > > chart made as K.P > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > With Regards > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > future. I > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > in > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You > can > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > case > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > can > > > tell > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > need > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > Ray > > > can > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > mean > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > times > > > i > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > date. > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > explain > > > why > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > stand > > > alone > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > you > > > have > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > months > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > is > > > anyway > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > Chart, > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > if > > > one > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > would > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > than > > > what > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > shadows(Planets > > > in D > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > previous > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > realise > > > is > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > predictions > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > use, > > > due to > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > order > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > mandatory > > > to > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > without > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > to > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > maximum > > > 400 > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > education > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > open to > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > Chart, > > > > > theres > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > one > > > can > > > > > read > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > what is > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > shadows(Planets > > > in > > > > > D > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > realise > > > is a > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > use, > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > order to > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > Let us > > > > > take > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > 2000 > > > > > people > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > may > > > be > > > > > even > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > Nakshatra > > > > > system > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > the > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > "axeplex" > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > fundas > > > are > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > concerned > > > > > with > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > has > > > own > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > comes to > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > there > > > > > would > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > the > > > same > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > we > > > > > consider > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > education, > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > a > > > big > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > is > > > used > > > > > in > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > than > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > Shastras > > > > > but > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > marriage, > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > becoing > > > > > adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > one > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > always > > > the > > > > > Father > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > is > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > the > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > 5th > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > observes in > > > the > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > bring > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > the > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > (Natal > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > (Combine > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > on to > > > > > what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > is > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > any > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > exchanged > > > > > more > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > support, > > > > > rather > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > over to > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > will > > > not > > > > > find > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > not > > > say > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > matching > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > to > > > help > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > happened > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > Natal > > > Chart > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > one > > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > with no > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > sub > > > with > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > saying, > > > aim of > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > where > > > > > and if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > I > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > fully > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > do > > > not > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > point > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > -couplet > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > up > > > this > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > which I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > Cards > > > then > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > all > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > people > > > > > following > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > Who > > > says > > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > this. > > > I > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > Charts > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > some > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > sub/ > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > are > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > population > > > > > by > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > to > > > > > small > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > sub-sub > > > help > > > > > to > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > with > > > > > problem > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > of > > > Shri > > > > > BV > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > events to > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > aspects > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > Shastra > > > > > says > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > has > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > considered > > > as > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > (Not > > > the > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > because > > > > > I > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > Divisional > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > upisde > > > > > down, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Sir, It is you who said that one can predict from D Charts without looking at the Natal Chart. So you must now teach us how to do this. regards/Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > I am presenting details again with Nakshtra as well. > sir, i am also in receiving mode because if I can learn out of it, nothing like that. > > discussion on education. > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > 6th - Pisces - No planet > 7th - Aries - No Planet > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > 9th - Gemini - No planet > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > 11th - Leo - No Planet > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > Nakshatra and Lord information: > ASC - Swati - Rahu > Sun - Hasta - Moon > Moon - Srav - Moon > Mars - Srav - Moon > Me - U. Phalguni - Sun > Ju - Anu - Sa > Ve - Hasta - Moon > Sa - Rohini - Moon > Ra - Srav - Moon > Ke - Asre - Mer > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > regds > Dev > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ wrote: > > > > I definitely like your long mail, sir. > > I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement. > > I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only. > > We would discuss D-charts later, sir. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here > > > Sir. > > > > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? > > > > > > How to study the same Sir ? > > > > > > How is it made Sir ? > > > > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? > > > > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one > > > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, > > > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. > > > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am > > > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither > > > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. > > > That > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to > > > locate > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it > > > through > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for > > > every > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do > > > instead > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but > > > rather > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then > > > please > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn > > > more > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana > > > leaves > > > > > and > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > > made > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, > > > D1 > > > > > or > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > > months. > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > > participated > > > > > in > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . > > > You > > > > > can > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts > > > the > > > > > case > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor > > > who > > > > > can > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or > > > an X > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does > > > not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of > > > the > > > > > times > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained > > > the > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group > > > till > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > > explain > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > > stand > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give > > > you a > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in > > > Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > > > better > > > > > if > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? > > > You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of > > > my > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > > Charts in > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is > > > the > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for > > > ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > > education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am > > > anyday > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > than > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten > > > to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts > > > in > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > > D-chart. > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window > > > and > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > > us to > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > > calculate > > > > > the > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied > > > in > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > > Everyone > > > > > has > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when > > > it > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > > education, > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more > > > if > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We > > > had > > > > > a > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever > > > concept > > > > > is > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. > > > Rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written > > > in > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > > without > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how > > > can > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > > always > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here > > > too, > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead > > > its > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to > > > approach > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say > > > the > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from > > > the > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be > > > done in > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you > > > want to > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to > > > meet > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father > > > is > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to > > > add > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is > > > adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors > > > only > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will > > > find > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I > > > was > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through > > > all > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > > over to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. > > > You > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I > > > will > > > > > not > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers > > > in > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to > > > learn > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts > > > are > > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what > > > has > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In > > > fact > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare > > > KP > > > > > sub > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't > > > know > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere > > > have > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I > > > am > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and > > > normally > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue > > > or > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any > > > shloka > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have > > > put > > > > > up > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D > > > Charts, > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this > > > will > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am > > > not. > > > > > Who > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue > > > about > > > > > this. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but > > > thats a > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith > > > D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. > > > Though > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there > > > in > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in > > > the > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > > option in > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > > results > > > > > are > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the > > > crowd > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > > approaches > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions > > > are > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in > > > books > > > > > of > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the > > > Life > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention > > > of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If > > > any > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his > > > books, > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > > considered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > > influence > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in > > > aspects, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the > > > chart > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Sir, Let me correct. I said all charts are equally important. (never said that only use D-charts). I said If someone only uses natal chart, he may fail sometimes. Reason being, out of the group of 1000 or 2000 in that ASC window, all shall not have same fate. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sir, > > It is you who said that one can predict from D Charts without looking at > the Natal Chart. > > So you must now teach us how to do this. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > I am presenting details again with Nakshtra as well. > > sir, i am also in receiving mode because if I can learn out of it, > nothing like that. > > > > discussion on education. > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > Nakshatra and Lord information: > > ASC - Swati - Rahu > > Sun - Hasta - Moon > > Moon - Srav - Moon > > Mars - Srav - Moon > > Me - U. Phalguni - Sun > > Ju - Anu - Sa > > Ve - Hasta - Moon > > Sa - Rohini - Moon > > Ra - Srav - Moon > > Ke - Asre - Mer > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > I definitely like your long mail, sir. > > > I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement. > > > I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only. > > > We would discuss D-charts later, sir. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed > here > > > > Sir. > > > > > > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? > > > > > > > > How to study the same Sir ? > > > > > > > > How is it made Sir ? > > > > > > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? > > > > > > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short > one > > > > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > Personally, > > > > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > divisions. > > > > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am > > > > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that > neither > > > > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > understood. > > > > That > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the > Natal > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot > be > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts > to > > > > locate > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does > not > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice > it > > > > through > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why > for > > > > every > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to > do > > > > instead > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the > chart has > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, > but > > > > rather > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If > for > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, > then > > > > please > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can > learn > > > > more > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from > Banana > > > > leaves > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable > cannot be > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Suresh > Awasthi > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with > D-12, > > > > D1 > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back > in > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > > > months. > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > > > participated > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > Adoption " . > > > > You > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly > predicts > > > > the > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family > Doctor > > > > who > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He > does not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > Sonography or > > > > an X > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This > does > > > > not > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% > of > > > > the > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > explained > > > > the > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this > Group > > > > till > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and > also > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart > on a > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display > all > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I > give > > > > you a > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is > no > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition > since > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen > in > > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it > is > > > > better > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in > D-chart? > > > > You > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in > one of > > > > my > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, > you will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > forgotten to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > nessessary or > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. > But > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does > not need > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > teach > > > > us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. > What is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha > meant for > > > > ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group > to at > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > predict > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but > am > > > > anyday > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is > no > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in > Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > better > > > > if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > rather > > > > than > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you > will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > forgotten > > > > to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > Charts > > > > in > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > nessessary or > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at > least > > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC > window > > > > and > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > teach > > > > us to > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What > is the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > > > calculate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be > studied > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. > Basic > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are > more > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > > > Everyone > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. > And when > > > > it > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > > > education, > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people > born > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be > even more > > > > if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to > exist. We > > > > had > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > Whatever > > > > concept > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what > works. > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not > written > > > > in > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through > a > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > > > without > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell > me how > > > > can > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. > Its > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members > here > > > > too, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > suggested, > > > > but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, > instead > > > > its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken > to > > > > approach > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for > say > > > > the > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what > one > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed > from > > > > the > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can > be > > > > done in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if > you > > > > want to > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going > to > > > > meet > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her > Father > > > > is > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that > Girl > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from > the D > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. > Just to > > > > add > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone > is > > > > adept > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult > since > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different > factors > > > > only > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody > will > > > > find > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have > already > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, > where I > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged > through > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > standing in > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and > switch > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for > this. > > > > You > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, > which I > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > astrologers > > > > in > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them > to > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my > efforts > > > > are > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect > what > > > > has > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting > from the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > Charts. In > > > > fact > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in > hand or > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to > compare > > > > KP > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I > was > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach > the > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I > don't > > > > know > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. > Nowhere > > > > have > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > through the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on > same. So I > > > > am > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement > and > > > > normally > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to > argue > > > > or > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me > any > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I > have > > > > put > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of > D > > > > Charts, > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail > please, > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about > Tarot > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and > this > > > > will > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that > just as > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same > way the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I > am > > > > not. > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the > issue > > > > about > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, > but > > > > thats a > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > planetwith > > > > D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > divisions. > > > > Though > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are > there > > > > in > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > individual in > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > > > option in > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > > > results > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides > whole > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides > the > > > > crowd > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and > sub/ > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > > > approaches > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, > divisions > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , > in > > > > books > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating > the > > > > Life > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the > mention > > > > of > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. > If > > > > any > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of > his > > > > books, > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to > be > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > > > influence > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter > in > > > > aspects, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read > the > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads > the > > > > chart > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Dear Dev Ji DOB is 30-09-1971 TOB is 09:00:00 If some want to find he can Regards suresh awasthi--- On Wed, 2/10/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote: axeplex <axeplex Re: SRILANKA Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 2:58 PM I am presenting details again with Nakshtra as well.sir, i am also in receiving mode because if I can learn out of it, nothing like that.discussion on education.I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.Asc - Libra - No Planet2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter3rd - Sag - No Planet4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon5th - Aquarius - No planet6th - Pisces - No planet7th - Aries - No Planet8th - Taurus - Saturn9th - Gemini - No planet10th - Cancer - Ketu11th - Leo - No Planet12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, MercuryNakshatra and Lord information:ASC - Swati - RahuSun - Hasta - MoonMoon - Srav - MoonMars - Srav - MoonMe - U. Phalguni - SunJu - Anu - SaVe - Hasta - MoonSa - Rohini - MoonRa - Srav - MoonKe - Asre - MerBhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of houseNo change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex > wrote:>> I definitely like your long mail, sir.> I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement.> I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only.> We would discuss D-charts later, sir.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here> > Sir.> > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ?> > > > How to study the same Sir ?> > > > How is it made Sir ?> > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ?> > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one> > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskarji,> > >> > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally,> > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions.> > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am> > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > >> > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither> > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > >> > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > >> > >> > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house> > >> > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > >> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > >> > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood.> > That> > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > >> > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal> > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be> > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to> > locate> > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > >> > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not> > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it> > through> > > > KP.> > > >> > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for> > every> > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do> > instead> > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has> > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > >> > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but> > rather> > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for> > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then> > please> > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn> > more> > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > >> > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > >> > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana> > leaves> > > > and> > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be> > > > made> > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12,> > D1> > > > or> > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in> > > > future. I> > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three> > months.> > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have> > participated> > > > in> > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption".> > You> > > > can> > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts> > the> > > > case> > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor> > who> > > > can> > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not> > > > need> > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or> > an X> > > > Ray> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does> > not> > > > mean> > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of> > the> > > > times> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained> > the> > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group> > till> > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also> > > > explain> > > > > > why> > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a> > > > stand> > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all> > what> > > > you> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give> > you a> > > > > > months> > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since> > it> > > > is> > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in> > Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is> > better> > > > if> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart?> > You> > > > would> > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather> > > > than> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of> > my> > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > use,> > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D> > Charts in> > > > > > order> > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > mandatory> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But> > > > without> > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need> > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach> > us> > > > to> > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is> > the> > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for> > ? //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at> > > > maximum> > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > > > education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am> > anyday> > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better> > if> > > > one> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather> > than> > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten> > to> > > > use,> > > > > > due> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > education, it> > > > > > does> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts> > in> > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore> > D-chart.> > > > Let us> > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least> > 1000 to> > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window> > and> > > > may> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach> > us to> > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to> > calculate> > > > the> > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied> > in> > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic> > > > fundas> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more> > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong.> > Everyone> > > > has> > > > > > own> > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when> > it> > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take> > education,> > > > there> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born> > with> > > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more> > if> > > > we> > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone> > predicts> > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We> > had> > > > a> > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever> > concept> > > > is> > > > > > used> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works.> > Rather> > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written> > in> > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a> > > > marriage,> > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts> > without> > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how> > can> > > > one> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS> > Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its> > > > always> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here> > too,> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested,> > but> > > > is> > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead> > its> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to> > approach> > > > the> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say> > the> > > > 5th> > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one> > > > observes in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from> > the> > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be> > done in> > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you> > want to> > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to> > meet> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father> > is> > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl> > > > (Combine> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D> > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to> > add> > > > on to> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is> > adept> > > > in> > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since> > there> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors> > only> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will> > find> > > > any> > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already> > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I> > was> > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through> > all> > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in> > > > support,> > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch> > > > over to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it> > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this.> > You> > > > will> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I> > will> > > > not> > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers> > in> > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to> > learn> > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts> > are> > > > to> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what> > has> > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the> > > > Natal> > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In> > fact> > > > one> > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or> > > > with no> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare> > KP> > > > sub> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was> > > > saying,> > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the> > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't> > know> > > > > > where> > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere> > have> > > > I> > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I> > am> > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and> > normally> > > > do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue> > or> > > > > > point> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any> > shloka> > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have> > put> > > > up> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D> > Charts,> > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please,> > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot> > > > Cards> > > > > > then> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this> > will> > > > all> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as> > > > people> > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am> > not.> > > > Who> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue> > about> > > > this.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but> > thats a> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith> > D> > > > Charts> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions.> > Though> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there> > in> > > > some> > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual> > D-chart or> > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in> > the> > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an> > option in> > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but> > results> > > > are> > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole> > > > > > population> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the> > crowd> > > > to> > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/> > > > sub-sub> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone> > approaches> > > > with> > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions> > are> > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in> > books> > > > of> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the> > Life> > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention> > of> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If> > any> > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his> > books,> > > > has> > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be> > > > considered> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of> > influence> > > > (Not> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the> > meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in> > aspects,> > > > > > because> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the> > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the> > chart> > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Sonia ji, Thanks for your detailed efforts. I shall read your analysis in due course. Meanwhile, please find below Dasa: From Birth till Dec. 1979 - Moon Dec 1979 to Dec 1986 - Mars Dec 1986 to Dec 2004 - Rahu Dec 2004 till date - Jupiter This may help you in pinpointing. regds Dev , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > Waiting for your inputs. > > Regards, > > Sonia ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > Re: SRILANKA > > > Bhaskarji, > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > 6th - Pisces - No planet > 7th - Aries - No Planet > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > 9th - Gemini - No planet > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > 11th - Leo - No Planet > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > KP. > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > and > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > made > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > Â > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > or > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > With Regards > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > future. I > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > in > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > can > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > case > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > can > > > > tell > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > need > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > Ray > > > > can > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > mean > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > times > > > > i > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > date. > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > explain > > > > why > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > stand > > > > alone > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > you > > > > have > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > months > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > is > > > > anyway > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > if > > > > one > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > would > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > than > > > > what > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in D > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > previous > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > mandatory > > > > to > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > without > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > to > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > maximum > > > > 400 > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > open to > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > one > > > > can > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > what is > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is a > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order to > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > Let us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > may > > > > be > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > the > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > fundas > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > concerned > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > has > > > > own > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > there > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > we > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > a > > > > big > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > is > > > > used > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > than > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > Shastras > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > marriage, > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > becoing > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > one > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > always > > > > the > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > is > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > the > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > 5th > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > observes in > > > > the > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > bring > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > the > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > (Combine > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > on to > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > is > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > any > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > exchanged > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > support, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > over to > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > will > > > > not > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > not > > > > say > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > matching > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > to > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > happened > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > Natal > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > with no > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > sub > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > saying, > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > where > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > I > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > fully > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > point > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > up > > > > this > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > which I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > Cards > > > > then > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > all > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > people > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > Who > > > > says > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > this. > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > Charts > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > some > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > are > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > population > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > to > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > sub-sub > > > > help > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > with > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > of > > > > Shri > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > events to > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > aspects > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > Shastra > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > has > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > considered > > > > as > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > (Not > > > > the > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > because > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > Divisional > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > upisde > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Thanks a lot. Will work on it.Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 9:33:25 PM Re: SRILANKA Sonia ji, Thanks for your detailed efforts. I shall read your analysis in due course. Meanwhile, please find below Dasa: From Birth till Dec. 1979 - Moon Dec 1979 to Dec 1986 - Mars Dec 1986 to Dec 2004 - Rahu Dec 2004 till date - Jupiter This may help you in pinpointing. regds Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > Waiting for your inputs. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > axeplex <axeplex > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > Bhaskarji, > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > 6th - Pisces - No planet > 7th - Aries - No Planet > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > 9th - Gemini - No planet > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > 11th - Leo - No Planet > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > KP. > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > and > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > made > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > Â > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > or > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > With Regards > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > future. I > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > in > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You > > can > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > case > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > can > > > > tell > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > need > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > Ray > > > > can > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > mean > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > times > > > > i > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > date. > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > explain > > > > why > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > stand > > > > alone > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > you > > > > have > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > months > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > is > > > > anyway > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > if > > > > one > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > would > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > than > > > > what > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in D > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > previous > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > mandatory > > > > to > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > without > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > to > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > maximum > > > > 400 > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > open to > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > one > > > > can > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > what is > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is a > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order to > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > Let us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > may > > > > be > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > the > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > "axeplex" > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > fundas > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > concerned > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > has > > > > own > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > there > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > we > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > a > > > > big > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > is > > > > used > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > than > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > Shastras > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > marriage, > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > becoing > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > one > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > always > > > > the > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > is > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > the > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > 5th > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > observes in > > > > the > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > bring > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > the > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > (Combine > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > on to > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > is > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > any > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > exchanged > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > support, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > over to > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > will > > > > not > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > not > > > > say > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > matching > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > to > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > happened > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > Natal > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > with no > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > sub > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > saying, > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > where > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > I > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > fully > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > point > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > up > > > > this > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > which I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > Cards > > > > then > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > all > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > people > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > Who > > > > says > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > this. > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > Charts > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > some > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > are > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > population > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > to > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > sub-sub > > > > help > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > with > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > of > > > > Shri > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > events to > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > aspects > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > Shastra > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > has > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > considered > > > > as > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > (Not > > > > the > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > because > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > Divisional > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > upisde > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Suresh Ji,Thanks for the details on that case of adoption. I am still working on it. will let you know my observations.Best wishes.SoniaSuresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 Sent: Wed, 10 February, 2010 9:24:15 PM Re: SRILANKA Dear Dev Ji DOB is 30-09-1971 TOB is 09:00:00 If some want to find he can Regards suresh awasthi--- On Wed, 2/10/10, axeplex <axeplex > wrote: axeplex <axeplex >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKAancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, February 10, 2010, 2:58 PM I am presenting details again with Nakshtra as well.sir, i am also in receiving mode because if I can learn out of it, nothing like that.discussion on education.I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.Asc - Libra - No Planet2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter3rd - Sag - No Planet4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon5th - Aquarius - No planet6th - Pisces - No planet7th - Aries - No Planet8th - Taurus - Saturn9th - Gemini - No planet10th - Cancer - Ketu11th - Leo - No Planet12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, MercuryNakshatra and Lord information:ASC - Swati - RahuSun - Hasta - MoonMoon - Srav - MoonMars - Srav - MoonMe - U. Phalguni - SunJu - Anu - SaVe - Hasta - MoonSa - Rohini - MoonRa - Srav - MoonKe - Asre - MerBhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of houseNo change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex > wrote:>> I definitely like your long mail, sir.> I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement.> I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only.> We would discuss D-charts later, sir.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here> > Sir.> > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ?> > > > How to study the same Sir ?> > > > How is it made Sir ?> > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ?> > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one> > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskarji,> > >> > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally,> > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions.> > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am> > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > >> > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither> > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > >> > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > >> > >> > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house> > >> > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > >> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > >> > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood.> > That> > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > >> > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal> > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be> > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to> > locate> > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > >> > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not> > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it> > through> > > > KP.> > > >> > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for> > every> > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do> > instead> > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has> > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > >> > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but> > rather> > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for> > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then> > please> > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn> > more> > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > >> > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > >> > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana> > leaves> > > > and> > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be> > > > made> > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12,> > D1> > > > or> > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in> > > > future. I> > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three> > months.> > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have> > participated> > > > in> > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption".> > You> > > > can> > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts> > the> > > > case> > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor> > who> > > > can> > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not> > > > need> > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or> > an X> > > > Ray> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does> > not> > > > mean> > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of> > the> > > > times> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained> > the> > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group> > till> > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also> > > > explain> > > > > > why> > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a> > > > stand> > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all> > what> > > > you> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give> > you a> > > > > > months> > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since> > it> > > > is> > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in> > Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is> > better> > > > if> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart?> > You> > > > would> > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather> > > > than> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of> > my> > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > use,> > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D> > Charts in> > > > > > order> > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > mandatory> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But> > > > without> > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need> > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach> > us> > > > to> > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is> > the> > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for> > ? //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at> > > > maximum> > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > > > education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am> > anyday> > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better> > if> > > > one> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather> > than> > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten> > to> > > > use,> > > > > > due> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > education, it> > > > > > does> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts> > in> > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore> > D-chart.> > > > Let us> > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least> > 1000 to> > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window> > and> > > > may> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach> > us to> > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to> > calculate> > > > the> > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied> > in> > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic> > > > fundas> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more> > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong.> > Everyone> > > > has> > > > > > own> > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when> > it> > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take> > education,> > > > there> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born> > with> > > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more> > if> > > > we> > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone> > predicts> > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We> > had> > > > a> > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever> > concept> > > > is> > > > > > used> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works.> > Rather> > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written> > in> > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a> > > > marriage,> > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts> > without> > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how> > can> > > > one> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS> > Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its> > > > always> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here> > too,> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested,> > but> > > > is> > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead> > its> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to> > approach> > > > the> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say> > the> > > > 5th> > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one> > > > observes in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from> > the> > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be> > done in> > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you> > want to> > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to> > meet> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father> > is> > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl> > > > (Combine> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D> > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to> > add> > > > on to> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is> > adept> > > > in> > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since> > there> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors> > only> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will> > find> > > > any> > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already> > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I> > was> > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through> > all> > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in> > > > support,> > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch> > > > over to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it> > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this.> > You> > > > will> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I> > will> > > > not> > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers> > in> > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to> > learn> > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts> > are> > > > to> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what> > has> > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the> > > > Natal> > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In> > fact> > > > one> > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or> > > > with no> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare> > KP> > > > sub> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was> > > > saying,> > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the> > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't> > know> > > > > > where> > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere> > have> > > > I> > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I> > am> > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and> > normally> > > > do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue> > or> > > > > > point> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any> > shloka> > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have> > put> > > > up> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D> > Charts,> > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please,> > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot> > > > Cards> > > > > > then> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this> > will> > > > all> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as> > > > people> > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am> > not.> > > > Who> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue> > about> > > > this.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but> > thats a> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith> > D> > > > Charts> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions.> > Though> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there> > in> > > > some> > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual> > D-chart or> > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in> > the> > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an> > option in> > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but> > results> > > > are> > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole> > > > > > population> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the> > crowd> > > > to> > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/> > > > sub-sub> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone> > approaches> > > > with> > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions> > are> > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in> > books> > > > of> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the> > Life> > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention> > of> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If> > any> > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his> > books,> > > > has> > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be> > > > considered> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of> > influence> > > > (Not> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the> > meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in> > aspects,> > > > > > because> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the> > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the> > chart> > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Suresh ji, You can find DoB by planet placements but can not find the exact time. regds Dev , Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote: > > Dear Dev Ji > DOB is 30-09-1971 > TOB is 09:00:00 > If some want to find he can > Regards > suresh awasthi > > --- On Wed, 2/10/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > axeplex <axeplex > Re: SRILANKA > > Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 2:58 PM > > >  > > > > I am presenting details again with Nakshtra as well. > sir, i am also in receiving mode because if I can learn out of it, nothing like that. > > discussion on education. > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > 6th - Pisces - No planet > 7th - Aries - No Planet > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > 9th - Gemini - No planet > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > 11th - Leo - No Planet > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > Nakshatra and Lord information: > ASC - Swati - Rahu > Sun - Hasta - Moon > Moon - Srav - Moon > Mars - Srav - Moon > Me - U. Phalguni - Sun > Ju - Anu - Sa > Ve - Hasta - Moon > Sa - Rohini - Moon > Ra - Srav - Moon > Ke - Asre - Mer > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > I definitely like your long mail, sir. > > I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement. > > I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only. > > We would discuss D-charts later, sir. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here > > > Sir. > > > > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? > > > > > > How to study the same Sir ? > > > > > > How is it made Sir ? > > > > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? > > > > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one > > > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, > > > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. > > > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am > > > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither > > > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. > > > That > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to > > > locate > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it > > > through > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for > > > every > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do > > > instead > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but > > > rather > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then > > > please > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn > > > more > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana > > > leaves > > > > > and > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > > made > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, > > > D1 > > > > > or > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > > months. > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > > participated > > > > > in > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . > > > You > > > > > can > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts > > > the > > > > > case > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor > > > who > > > > > can > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or > > > an X > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does > > > not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of > > > the > > > > > times > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained > > > the > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group > > > till > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > > explain > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > > stand > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give > > > you a > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in > > > Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > > > better > > > > > if > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? > > > You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of > > > my > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > > Charts in > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is > > > the > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for > > > ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > > education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am > > > anyday > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > than > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten > > > to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts > > > in > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > > D-chart. > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window > > > and > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > > us to > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > > calculate > > > > > the > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied > > > in > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > > Everyone > > > > > has > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when > > > it > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > > education, > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more > > > if > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We > > > had > > > > > a > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever > > > concept > > > > > is > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. > > > Rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written > > > in > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > > without > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how > > > can > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > > always > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here > > > too, > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, > > > but > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead > > > its > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to > > > approach > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say > > > the > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from > > > the > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be > > > done in > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you > > > want to > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to > > > meet > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father > > > is > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to > > > add > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is > > > adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors > > > only > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will > > > find > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I > > > was > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through > > > all > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > > over to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. > > > You > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I > > > will > > > > > not > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers > > > in > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to > > > learn > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts > > > are > > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what > > > has > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In > > > fact > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare > > > KP > > > > > sub > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't > > > know > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere > > > have > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I > > > am > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and > > > normally > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue > > > or > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any > > > shloka > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have > > > put > > > > > up > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D > > > Charts, > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this > > > will > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am > > > not. > > > > > Who > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue > > > about > > > > > this. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but > > > thats a > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith > > > D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. > > > Though > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there > > > in > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in > > > the > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > > option in > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > > results > > > > > are > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the > > > crowd > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > > approaches > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions > > > are > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in > > > books > > > > > of > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the > > > Life > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention > > > of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If > > > any > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his > > > books, > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > > considered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > > influence > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in > > > aspects, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the > > > chart > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Soniaji, // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? On what basis, you are saying technical education? // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// Shall come back on this. regds Dev , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > Waiting for your inputs. > > Regards, > > Sonia ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > Re: SRILANKA > > > Bhaskarji, > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > 6th - Pisces - No planet > 7th - Aries - No Planet > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > 9th - Gemini - No planet > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > 11th - Leo - No Planet > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > KP. > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > and > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > made > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > Â > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > or > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > With Regards > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > future. I > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > in > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > can > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > case > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > can > > > > tell > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > need > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > Ray > > > > can > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > mean > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > times > > > > i > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > date. > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > explain > > > > why > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > stand > > > > alone > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > you > > > > have > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > months > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > is > > > > anyway > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > if > > > > one > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > would > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > than > > > > what > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in D > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > previous > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > mandatory > > > > to > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > without > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > to > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > maximum > > > > 400 > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > open to > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > one > > > > can > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > what is > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is a > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order to > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > Let us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > may > > > > be > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > the > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > fundas > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > concerned > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > has > > > > own > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > there > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > we > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > a > > > > big > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > is > > > > used > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > than > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > Shastras > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > marriage, > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > becoing > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > one > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > always > > > > the > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > is > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > the > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > 5th > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > observes in > > > > the > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > bring > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > the > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > (Combine > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > on to > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > is > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > any > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > exchanged > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > support, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > over to > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > will > > > > not > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > not > > > > say > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > matching > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > to > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > happened > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > Natal > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > with no > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > sub > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > saying, > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > where > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > I > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > fully > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > point > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > up > > > > this > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > which I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > Cards > > > > then > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > all > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > people > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > Who > > > > says > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > this. > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > Charts > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > some > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > are > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > population > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > to > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > sub-sub > > > > help > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > with > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > of > > > > Shri > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > events to > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > aspects > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > Shastra > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > has > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > considered > > > > as > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > (Not > > > > the > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > because > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > Divisional > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > upisde > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 True Sureshji since I told Dasa details also. Next time I would give birth details only. regds Dev , Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote: > > Dev Ji, > I did not had POB > suresh awasthi > > --- On Wed, 2/10/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > axeplex <axeplex > Re: SRILANKA > > Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 5:22 PM > > >  > > > > Suresh ji, > > You can find DoB by planet placements but can not find the exact time. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev Ji > > DOB is 30-09-1971 > > TOB is 09:00:00 > > If some want to find he can > > Regards > > suresh awasthi > > > > --- On Wed, 2/10/10, axeplex <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 2:58 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I am presenting details again with Nakshtra as well. > > sir, i am also in receiving mode because if I can learn out of it, nothing like that. > > > > discussion on education. > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > Nakshatra and Lord information: > > ASC - Swati - Rahu > > Sun - Hasta - Moon > > Moon - Srav - Moon > > Mars - Srav - Moon > > Me - U. Phalguni - Sun > > Ju - Anu - Sa > > Ve - Hasta - Moon > > Sa - Rohini - Moon > > Ra - Srav - Moon > > Ke - Asre - Mer > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > I definitely like your long mail, sir. > > > I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement. > > > I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only. > > > We would discuss D-charts later, sir. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here > > > > Sir. > > > > > > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? > > > > > > > > How to study the same Sir ? > > > > > > > > How is it made Sir ? > > > > > > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? > > > > > > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one > > > > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, > > > > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. > > > > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am > > > > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither > > > > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. > > > > That > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to > > > > locate > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it > > > > through > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for > > > > every > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do > > > > instead > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but > > > > rather > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then > > > > please > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn > > > > more > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana > > > > leaves > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, > > > > D1 > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > > > months. > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > > > participated > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . > > > > You > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts > > > > the > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor > > > > who > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or > > > > an X > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does > > > > not > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of > > > > the > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained > > > > the > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group > > > > till > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give > > > > you a > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in > > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > > > > better > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? > > > > You > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of > > > > my > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > > > us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for > > > > ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am > > > > anyday > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > > if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > than > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten > > > > to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts > > > > in > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least > > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window > > > > and > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > > > us to > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > > > calculate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > > > Everyone > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when > > > > it > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > > > education, > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more > > > > if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We > > > > had > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever > > > > concept > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written > > > > in > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > > > without > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how > > > > can > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here > > > > too, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, > > > > but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead > > > > its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to > > > > approach > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say > > > > the > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from > > > > the > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be > > > > done in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you > > > > want to > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to > > > > meet > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father > > > > is > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to > > > > add > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is > > > > adept > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors > > > > only > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will > > > > find > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. > > > > You > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers > > > > in > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts > > > > are > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what > > > > has > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In > > > > fact > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare > > > > KP > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't > > > > know > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere > > > > have > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I > > > > am > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and > > > > normally > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue > > > > or > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have > > > > put > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D > > > > Charts, > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this > > > > will > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am > > > > not. > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue > > > > about > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but > > > > thats a > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith > > > > D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. > > > > Though > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there > > > > in > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > > > option in > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > > > results > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the > > > > crowd > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > > > approaches > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in > > > > books > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the > > > > Life > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention > > > > of > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If > > > > any > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his > > > > books, > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > > > influence > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in > > > > aspects, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the > > > > chart > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Dev Ji,From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun.From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.That is how i mentioned the common factor.Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical.I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details.Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM Re: SRILANKA Soniaji, // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? On what basis, you are saying technical education? // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// Shall come back on this. regds Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > Waiting for your inputs. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > axeplex <axeplex > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > Bhaskarji, > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > 6th - Pisces - No planet > 7th - Aries - No Planet > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > 9th - Gemini - No planet > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > 11th - Leo - No Planet > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > KP. > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > and > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > made > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > Â > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > or > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > With Regards > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > future. I > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > in > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You > > can > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > case > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > can > > > > tell > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > need > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > Ray > > > > can > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > mean > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > times > > > > i > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > date. > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > explain > > > > why > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > stand > > > > alone > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > you > > > > have > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > months > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > is > > > > anyway > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > if > > > > one > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > would > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > than > > > > what > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in D > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > previous > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > mandatory > > > > to > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > without > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > to > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > maximum > > > > 400 > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > open to > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > one > > > > can > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > what is > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is a > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order to > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > Let us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > may > > > > be > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > the > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > "axeplex" > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > fundas > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > concerned > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > has > > > > own > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > there > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > we > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > a > > > > big > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > is > > > > used > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > than > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > Shastras > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > marriage, > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > becoing > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > one > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > always > > > > the > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > is > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > the > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > 5th > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > observes in > > > > the > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > bring > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > the > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > (Combine > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > on to > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > is > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > any > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > exchanged > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > support, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > over to > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > will > > > > not > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > not > > > > say > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > matching > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > to > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > happened > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > Natal > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > with no > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > sub > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > saying, > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > where > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > I > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > fully > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > point > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > up > > > > this > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > which I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > Cards > > > > then > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > all > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > people > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > Who > > > > says > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > this. > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > Charts > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > some > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > are > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > population > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > to > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > sub-sub > > > > help > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > with > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > of > > > > Shri > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > events to > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > aspects > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > Shastra > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > has > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > considered > > > > as > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > (Not > > > > the > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > because > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > Divisional > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > upisde > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Soniaji, I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein.... // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // This is true, conjunction. // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. // That is how i mentioned the common factor. Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. // There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors. Regards, Dev , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. > > Regards, > > Sonia ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > Re: SRILANKA > > > Soniaji, > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// > > Shall come back on this. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > > KP. > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > > and > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > made > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > > or > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > future. I > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > > in > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > > can > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > > case > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > > can > > > > > tell > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > need > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > > Ray > > > > > can > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > > mean > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > > times > > > > > i > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > > date. > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > explain > > > > > why > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > stand > > > > > alone > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > > months > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > > is > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > Chart, > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > > would > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > than > > > > > what > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > in D > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > > previous > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > realise > > > > > is > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > use, > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > order > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > mandatory > > > > > to > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > without > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > > to > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > maximum > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > education > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > > open to > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > Chart, > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > > one > > > > > can > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > realise > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > use, > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > > Let us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > > the > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > fundas > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > > has > > > > > own > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > > there > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > > we > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > > a > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > > is > > > > > used > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > marriage, > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > > one > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > always > > > > > the > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > > would > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > > is > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > > the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > > 5th > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > observes in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > > bring > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > > the > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > (Combine > > > > > what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > > on to > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > > in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > > is > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > > any > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > exchanged > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > support, > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > over to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > > will > > > > > not > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > > not > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > > to > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > Natal > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > > one > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > with no > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > > sub > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > saying, > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > > where > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > > I > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > > fully > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > > point > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > > up > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > Cards > > > > > then > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > > all > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > people > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > > Who > > > > > says > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > > this. > > > > > I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > > Charts > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > > some > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > > are > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > population > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > > to > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > sub-sub > > > > > help > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > > with > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > > of > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > > has > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > > (Not > > > > > the > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > > because > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > Divisional > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Dev Ji,Please tell me what line of education did he take.'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 'Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM Re: SRILANKA Soniaji, I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein.... // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // This is true, conjunction. // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. // That is how i mentioned the common factor. Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. // There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors. Regards, Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > axeplex <axeplex > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > Soniaji, > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// > > Shall come back on this. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > > KP. > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > > and > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > made > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > > or > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > future. I > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > > in > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You > > > can > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > > case > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > > can > > > > > tell > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > need > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > > Ray > > > > > can > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > > mean > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > > times > > > > > i > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > > date. > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > explain > > > > > why > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > stand > > > > > alone > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > > months > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > > is > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > Chart, > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > > would > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > than > > > > > what > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > in D > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > > previous > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > realise > > > > > is > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > use, > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > order > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > mandatory > > > > > to > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > without > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > > to > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > maximum > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > education > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > > open to > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > Chart, > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > > one > > > > > can > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > realise > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > use, > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > > Let us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > > the > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > fundas > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > > has > > > > > own > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > > there > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > > we > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > > a > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > > is > > > > > used > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > marriage, > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > > one > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > always > > > > > the > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > > would > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > > is > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > > the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > > 5th > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > observes in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > > bring > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > > the > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > (Combine > > > > > what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > > on to > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > > in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > > is > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > > any > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > exchanged > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > support, > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > over to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > > will > > > > > not > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > > not > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > > to > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > Natal > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > > one > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > with no > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > > sub > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > saying, > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > > where > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > > I > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > > fully > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > > point > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > > up > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > Cards > > > > > then > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > > all > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > people > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > > Who > > > > > says > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > > this. > > > > > I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > > Charts > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > > some > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > > are > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > population > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > > to > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > sub-sub > > > > > help > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > > with > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > > of > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > > has > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > > (Not > > > > > the > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > > because > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > Divisional > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Soniaji, He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope it answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till bachelors. You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other members don't seem interested. regds Dev , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > Re: SRILANKA > > > Soniaji, > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > This is true, conjunction. > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. // > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors. > > Regards, > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > > > and > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > made > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > > > or > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > future. I > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > > > in > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > > > can > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > > > case > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > > > can > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > need > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > > > Ray > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > > > times > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > explain > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > stand > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > > > is > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > > if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > > > would > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > use, > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > without > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > > > to > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > maximum > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > > > one > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > use, > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > > > the > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > fundas > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > > > has > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > > > there > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > > > we > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > > > a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > > > is > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > marriage, > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > > > one > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > always > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > > > is > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > observes in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > (Combine > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > > > on to > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > > > any > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > support, > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > over to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > > > not > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > > > to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > > > one > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > with no > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > > > sub > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > saying, > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > > > I > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > > > up > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > Cards > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > > > all > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > people > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > > > Who > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > > > this. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > > > Charts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > > > are > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > > > to > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > > > with > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > > > of > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > considered > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > > > (Not > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Sonia ji,sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the thread....Regards,gopi. , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote:>> Dev Ji,> > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house,> 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And> also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > Regards,> > Sonia> > > > > > ________________________________> axeplex axeplex > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> Re: SRILANKA> > > Soniaji,> > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein....> > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > This is true, conjunction.> > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical.> I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. //> > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors.> > Regards,> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dev Ji,> > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical.> > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon?> > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.//> > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail.> > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.//> > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.> > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.> > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.> > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house> > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That> > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal> > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be> > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate> > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not> > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through> > > > KP.> > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every> > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead> > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has> > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather> > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for> > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please> > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more> > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > >> > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > >> > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves> > > > and> > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be> > > > made> > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1> > > > or> > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in> > > > future. I> > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months.> > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated> > > > in> > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You> > > > can> > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the> > > > case> > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who> > > > can> > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not> > > > need> > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X> > > > Ray> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not> > > > mean> > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the> > > > times> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the> > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till> > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also> > > > explain> > > > > > why> > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a> > > > stand> > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what> > > > you> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a> > > > > > months> > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it> > > > is> > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better> > > > if> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You> > > > would> > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather> > > > than> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my> > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > use,> > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in> > > > > > order> > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > mandatory> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But> > > > without> > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need> > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us> > > > to> > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at> > > > maximum> > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > > > education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday> > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if> > > > one> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than> > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > use,> > > > > > due> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it> > > > > > does> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in> > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart.> > > > Let us> > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to> > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and> > > > may> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to> > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate> > > > the> > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in> > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic> > > > fundas> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more> > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone> > > > has> > > > > > own> > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it> > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education,> > > > there> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with> > > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if> > > > we> > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had> > > > a> > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept> > > > is> > > > > > used> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather> > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in> > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a> > > > marriage,> > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without> > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can> > > > one> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its> > > > always> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too,> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but> > > > is> > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach> > > > the> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the> > > > 5th> > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one> > > > observes in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the> > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in> > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to> > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is> > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl> > > > (Combine> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D> > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add> > > > on to> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept> > > > in> > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find> > > > any> > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already> > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was> > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all> > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in> > > > support,> > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch> > > > over to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You> > > > will> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will> > > > not> > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in> > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn> > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are> > > > to> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has> > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the> > > > Natal> > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact> > > > one> > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or> > > > with no> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP> > > > sub> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was> > > > saying,> > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the> > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know> > > > > > where> > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have> > > > I> > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am> > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally> > > > do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or> > > > > > point> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka> > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put> > > > up> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts,> > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please,> > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot> > > > Cards> > > > > > then> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will> > > > all> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as> > > > people> > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not.> > > > Who> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about> > > > this.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D> > > > Charts> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in> > > > some> > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or> > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the> > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in> > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results> > > > are> > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole> > > > > > population> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd> > > > to> > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/> > > > sub-sub> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches> > > > with> > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are> > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books> > > > of> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life> > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any> > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books,> > > > has> > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be> > > > considered> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence> > > > (Not> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects,> > > > > > because> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the> > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart> > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Dear all, Sorry, We have seen people predicting very well from - 1) Just the Natal Chart, 2) Natal and Navamsa. 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit. None of the above use the other charts...... Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts and cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology we have learnt ? And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and predicted for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil now ? Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D Chart ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick up charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be authenticated. If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody is predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and prove that ? Why to search for such examples? regards/Bhaskar. , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Sonia ji, > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the thread.... > Regards, > gopi. > , Sonia Mehdiratta > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote: > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > house, > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me > that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by > sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share > other point- technical or non technical. > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > details. // > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > Bachelors. > > > > Regards, > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by > sixth lord Jupiter. > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share > other point- technical or non technical. > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > details. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change > in educational stream.// > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier > mail. > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > education and will do well.// > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall > dasha will be fine. > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change > in educational stream. > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas > will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > education and will do well. > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. > That > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the > Natal > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot > be > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts > to locate > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it > through > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for > every > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do > instead > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart > has > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but > rather > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then > please > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can > learn more > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from > Banana leaves > > > > > and > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable > cannot be > > > > > made > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh > Awasthi > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with > D-12, D1 > > > > > or > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back > in > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > months. > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > participated > > > > > in > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > Adoption " . You > > > > > can > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly > predicts the > > > > > case > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family > Doctor who > > > > > can > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography > or an X > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This > does not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% > of the > > > > > times > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > explained the > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this > Group till > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and > also > > > > > explain > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart > on a > > > > > stand > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I > give you a > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is > no > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition > since it > > > > > is > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in > Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > better > > > > > if > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in > D-chart? You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in > one of my > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you > will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > forgotten to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > Charts in > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary > or > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. > But > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not > need > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > teach us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. > What is the > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to > at > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > > education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but > am anyday > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is > no > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in > Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > better if > > > > > one > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > rather than > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you > will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > forgotten to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > education, it > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > Charts in > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary > or > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > D-chart. > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least > 1000 to > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC > window and > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > teach us to > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is > the > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > calculate > > > > > the > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be > studied in > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. > Basic > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are > more > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > Everyone > > > > > has > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And > when it > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > education, > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people > born with > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even > more if > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > predicts > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. > We had > > > > > a > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever > concept > > > > > is > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what > works. Rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not > written in > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > without > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me > how can > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. > Its > > > > > always > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members > here too, > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > suggested, but > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, > instead its > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to > approach > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for > say the > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed > from the > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be > done in > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you > want to > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to > meet > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her > Father is > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that > Girl > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from > the D > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just > to add > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone > is adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult > since there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different > factors only > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody > will find > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have > already > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where > I was > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged > through all > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing > in > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and > switch > > > > > over to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for > this. You > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, > which I will > > > > > not > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > astrologers in > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them > to learn > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my > efforts are > > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect > what has > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. > In fact > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in > hand or > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to > compare KP > > > > > sub > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I > was > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I > don't know > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. > Nowhere have > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through > the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. > So I am > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and > normally > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to > argue or > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any > shloka > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I > have put > > > > > up > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D > Charts, > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail > please, > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about > Tarot > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and > this will > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just > as > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way > the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I > am not. > > > > > Who > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue > about > > > > > this. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but > thats a > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > planetwith D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > divisions. Though > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are > there in > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > D-chart or > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > individual in the > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > option in > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > results > > > > > are > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides > whole > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides > the crowd > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and > sub/ > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > approaches > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, > divisions are > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in > books > > > > > of > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating > the Life > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the > mention of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. > If any > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his > books, > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to > be > > > > > considered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > influence > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in > aspects, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads > the chart > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 GopalKrishna Ji,I am very much aware of the fact that prediction cannot and should not be done from natal chart only. Dev Ji had presented a birth chart only with planetary placements and later he gave details of nakshatras. He wanted views about the persons education. I did analysis on the basic chart and gave him my views as to what appeared to be his line of education from the basic chart along with dasha pattern.It was not a conclusion just an attempt to see what all can we makeout from a basic chart. Regards,Soniagopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:21:35 PM Re: SRILANKA Sonia ji,sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the thread....Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:>> Dev Ji,> > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house,> 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And> also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > Regards,> > Sonia> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex axeplex ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > Soniaji,> > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein....> > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > This is true, conjunction.> > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical.> I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. //> > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors.> > Regards,> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dev Ji,> > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical.> > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon?> > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.//> > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail.> > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.//> > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.> > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.> > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.> > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house> > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That> > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal> > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be> > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate> > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not> > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through> > > > KP.> > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every> > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead> > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has> > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather> > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for> > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please> > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more> > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > >> > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > >> > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves> > > > and> > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be> > > > made> > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1> > > > or> > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in> > > > future. I> > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months.> > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated> > > > in> > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You> > > > can> > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the> > > > case> > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who> > > > can> > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not> > > > need> > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X> > > > Ray> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not> > > > mean> > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the> > > > times> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the> > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till> > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also> > > > explain> > > > > > why> > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a> > > > stand> > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what> > > > you> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a> > > > > > months> > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it> > > > is> > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better> > > > if> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You> > > > would> > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather> > > > than> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my> > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > use,> > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in> > > > > > order> > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > mandatory> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But> > > > without> > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need> > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us> > > > to> > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at> > > > maximum> > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > > > education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday> > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if> > > > one> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than> > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > realise> > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > use,> > > > > > due> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it> > > > > > does> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in> > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart.> > > > Let us> > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to> > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and> > > > may> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to> > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate> > > > the> > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in> > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic> > > > fundas> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more> > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone> > > > has> > > > > > own> > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it> > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education,> > > > there> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with> > > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if> > > > we> > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had> > > > a> > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept> > > > is> > > > > > used> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather> > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in> > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a> > > > marriage,> > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without> > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can> > > > one> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its> > > > always> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too,> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but> > > > is> > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach> > > > the> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the> > > > 5th> > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one> > > > observes in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the> > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in> > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to> > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is> > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl> > > > (Combine> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D> > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add> > > > on to> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept> > > > in> > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find> > > > any> > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already> > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was> > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all> > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in> > > > support,> > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch> > > > over to> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You> > > > will> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will> > > > not> > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in> > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn> > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are> > > > to> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has> > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the> > > > Natal> > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact> > > > one> > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or> > > > with no> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP> > > > sub> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was> > > > saying,> > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the> > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know> > > > > > where> > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have> > > > I> > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am> > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally> > > > do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or> > > > > > point> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka> > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put> > > > up> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts,> > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please,> > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot> > > > Cards> > > > > > then> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will> > > > all> > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as> > > > people> > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the> > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not.> > > > Who> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about> > > > this.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D> > > > Charts> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in> > > > some> > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or> > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the> > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in> > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results> > > > are> > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole> > > > > > population> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd> > > > to> > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/> > > > sub-sub> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches> > > > with> > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are> > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books> > > > of> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life> > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any> > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books,> > > > has> > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be> > > > considered> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence> > > > (Not> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects,> > > > > > because> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the> > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart> > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Dear Sonia ji,Ok.I understand and know that but Dev ji also want to prove a point !!....Regards,gopi. , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote:>> GopalKrishna Ji,> > I am very much aware of the fact that prediction cannot and should not be done from natal chart only. Dev Ji had presented a birth chart only with planetary placements and later he gave details of nakshatras. He wanted views about the persons education. I did analysis on the basic chart and gave him my views as to what appeared to be his line of education from the basic chart along with dasha pattern.> It was not a conclusion just an attempt to see what all can we makeout from a basic chart. > > Regards,> > Sonia> > > > > > ________________________________> gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:21:35 PM> Re: SRILANKA> > > Sonia ji,> sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the thread....> Regards,> gopi.> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dev Ji,> > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house,> > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And> > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex axeplex@> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical.> > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. //> > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors.> > > > Regards,> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical.> > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon?> > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.//> > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail.> > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.//> > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.> > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.> > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.> > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house> > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That> > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal> > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be> > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate> > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not> > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through> > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every> > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead> > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has> > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather> > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for> > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please> > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more> > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves> > > > > and> > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be> > > > > made> > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1> > > > > or> > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in> > > > > future. I> > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months.> > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated> > > > > in> > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You> > > > > can> > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the> > > > > case> > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who> > > > > can> > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not> > > > > need> > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X> > > > > Ray> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not> > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the> > > > > times> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the> > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till> > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also> > > > > explain> > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a> > > > > stand> > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what> > > > > you> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a> > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it> > > > > is> > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better> > > > > if> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You> > > > > would> > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather> > > > > than> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my> > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > > realise> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > > use,> > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in> > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But> > > > > without> > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need> > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at> > > > > maximum> > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > > > > education> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday> > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no> > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal> > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if> > > > > one> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than> > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will> > > > > realise> > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level> > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to> > > > > use,> > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it> > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in> > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or> > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart.> > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to> > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and> > > > > may> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to> > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the> > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate> > > > > the> > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in> > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic> > > > > fundas> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more> > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone> > > > > has> > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it> > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education,> > > > > there> > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with> > > > > the> > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if> > > > > we> > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had> > > > > a> > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept> > > > > is> > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather> > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in> > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a> > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without> > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can> > > > > one> > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its> > > > > always> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too,> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the> > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one> > > > > observes in> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the> > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in> > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to> > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is> > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl> > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D> > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add> > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only> > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find> > > > > any> > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already> > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was> > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all> > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in> > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch> > > > > over to> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You> > > > > will> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will> > > > > not> > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in> > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn> > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are> > > > > to> > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has> > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the> > > > > Natal> > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact> > > > > one> > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or> > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP> > > > > sub> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was> > > > > saying,> > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the> > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know> > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have> > > > > I> > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the> > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am> > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally> > > > > do> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or> > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka> > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put> > > > > up> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts,> > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please,> > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot> > > > > Cards> > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as> > > > > people> > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the> > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not.> > > > > Who> > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about> > > > > this.> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a> > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D> > > > > Charts> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in> > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or> > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the> > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in> > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results> > > > > are> > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole> > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/> > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are> > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books> > > > > of> > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life> > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of> > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any> > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books,> > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be> > > > > considered> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence> > > > > (Not> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects,> > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the> > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart> > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Dev Ji,This thing about formal education and intelligence is not exactly as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been discussed in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for the information.Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM Re: SRILANKA Soniaji, He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope it answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till bachelors. You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other members don't seem interested. regds Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > axeplex <axeplex > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > Soniaji, > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > This is true, conjunction. > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. // > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors. > > Regards, > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > > > and > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > made > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > > > or > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > future. I > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > > > in > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You > > > > can > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > > > case > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > > > can > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > need > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > > > Ray > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > > > times > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > explain > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > stand > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > > > is > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > > if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > > > would > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > use, > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > without > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > > > to > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > maximum > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > > > one > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > use, > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > > > the > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > fundas > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > > > has > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > > > there > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > > > we > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > > > a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > > > is > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > marriage, > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > > > one > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > always > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > > > is > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > observes in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > (Combine > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > > > on to > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > > > any > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > support, > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > over to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > > > not > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > > > to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > > > one > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > with no > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > > > sub > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > saying, > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > > > I > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > > > up > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > Cards > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > > > all > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > people > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > > > Who > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > > > this. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > > > Charts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > > > are > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > > > to > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > > > with > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > > > of > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > considered > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > > > (Not > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 There is only Natal chart here.No bhava or navamsa!!!Regards,gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear all,> > Sorry,> > We have seen people predicting very well from -> > 1) Just the Natal Chart,> > 2) Natal and Navamsa.> > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit.> > None of the above use the other charts......> > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts and> cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology we> have learnt ?> > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and predicted> for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil now> ?> > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not> noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D Chart> ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick up> charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be> authenticated.> > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody is> predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst> thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so> important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and> prove that ? Why to search for such examples?> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Sonia ji,> > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with> > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the> thread....> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , Sonia Mehdiratta> > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote:> > >> > > Dev Ji,> > >> > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd> > house,> > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th.> And> > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > >> > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly> > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth> > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and> its> > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in> this> > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the> > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Sonia> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > Re: SRILANKA> > >> > >> > > Soniaji,> > >> > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me> > that. .... Lighter vein....> > >> > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected> by> > sixth lord Jupiter. //> > >> > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd> house,> > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And> > also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > >> > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord> > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > >> > > This is true, conjunction.> > >> > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> Eighth> > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > >> > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > >> > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share> > other point- technical or non technical.> > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > details. //> > >> > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till> > Bachelors.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Dev> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta> > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dev Ji,> > > >> > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by> > sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord> > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> Eighth> > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will> share> > other point- technical or non technical.> > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > details.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Sonia> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > axeplex axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > >> > > >> > > > Soniaji,> > > >> > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in> > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> but> > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> has> > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be> > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > >> > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > >> > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct> > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own> > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in> > education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > >> > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from> Moon?> > > >> > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> lord> > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> change> > in educational stream.//> > > >> > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier> > mail.> > > >> > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very> > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > education and will do well.//> > > >> > > > Shall come back on this.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> Mehdiratta> > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > >> > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in> > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> but> > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> has> > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should> be> > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will> be> > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be> Moon> > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these> > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to> fifth> > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in> exaltation> > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall> > dasha will be fine.> > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> broadly> > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is> > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take> > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> change> > in educational stream.> > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter> mahadashas> > will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very> > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > education and will do well.> > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Sonia> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > >> > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail.> > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own> > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail.> I> > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > >> > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that> > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > >> > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > >> > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house> > > > >> > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I> understood.> > That> > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > > > >> > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the> > Natal> > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot> > be> > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts> > to locate> > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does> not> > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice> it> > through> > > > > > KP.> > > > > >> > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why> for> > every> > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to> do> > instead> > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the> chart> > has> > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > >> > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system,> but> > rather> > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If> for> > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts,> then> > please> > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can> > learn more> > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from> > Banana leaves> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable> > cannot be> > > > > > made> > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh> > Awasthi> > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with> > D-12, D1> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back> > in> > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three> > months.> > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have> > participated> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for> > Adoption". You> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly> > predicts the> > > > > > case> > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family> > Doctor who> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He> does> > not> > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT> Sonography> > or an X> > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This> > does not> > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80%> > of the> > > > > > times> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also> > explained the> > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this> > Group till> > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and> > also> > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart> > on a> > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display> all> > what> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> illustrations.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I> > give you a> > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food> > here...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is> > no> > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition> > since it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen> in> > Natal> > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it> is> > better> > > > > > if> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in> > D-chart? You> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works,> > rather> > > > > > than> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in> > one of my> > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well,> you> > will> > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra> > level> > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > forgotten to> > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D> > Charts in> > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not> nessessary> > or> > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you.> > But> > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does> not> > need> > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not> > teach us> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window.> > What is the> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha> meant> > for ? //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group> to> > at> > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot> predict> > > > > > education> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but> > am anyday> > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is> > no> > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in> > Natal> > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is> > better if> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works,> > rather than> > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you> > will> > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra> > level> > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > forgotten to> > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > education, it> > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D> > Charts in> > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not> nessessary> > or> > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore> > D-chart.> > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at> least> > 1000 to> > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC> > window and> > > > > > may> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not> > teach us to> > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What> is> > the> > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict> > education> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to> > calculate> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be> > studied in> > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also.> > Basic> > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are> > more> > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong.> > Everyone> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here.> And> > when it> > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take> > education,> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people> > born with> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be> even> > more if> > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone> > predicts> > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to> exist.> > We had> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back.> Whatever> > concept> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what> > works. Rather> > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not> > written in> > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through> a> > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts> > without> > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell> me> > how can> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS> > Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born.> > Its> > > > > > always> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members> > here too,> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself> > suggested, but> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually,> > instead its> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken> to> > approach> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for> > say the> > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what> one> > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed> > from the> > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can> be> > done in> > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if> you> > want to> > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going> to> > meet> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her> > Father is> > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that> > Girl> > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from> > the D> > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it.> Just> > to add> > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone> > is adept> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult> > since there> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different> > factors only> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody> > will find> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have> > already> > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago,> where> > I was> > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged> > through all> > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not> standing> > in> > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and> > switch> > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it> > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for> > this. You> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line,> > which I will> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage> > astrologers in> > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them> > to learn> > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my> > efforts are> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect> > what has> > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting> from> > the> > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other> Charts.> > In fact> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in> > hand or> > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com,> > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to> > compare KP> > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I> > was> > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach> the> > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I> > don't know> > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly.> > Nowhere have> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone> through> > the> > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on> same.> > So I am> > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement> and> > normally> > > > > > do> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to> > argue or> > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me> any> > shloka> > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I> > have put> > > > > > up> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of> D> > Charts,> > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail> > please,> > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about> > Tarot> > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and> > this will> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that> just> > as> > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same> way> > the> > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I> > am not.> > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the> issue> > about> > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts,> but> > thats a> > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every> > planetwith D> > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of> > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are> > there in> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual> > D-chart or> > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an> > individual in the> > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an> > option in> > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but> > results> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides> > whole> > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides> > the crowd> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and> > sub/> > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone> > approaches> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts,> > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts ,> in> > books> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating> > the Life> > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the> > mention of> > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra.> > If any> > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of> his> > books,> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to> > be> > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of> > influence> > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the> > meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter> in> > aspects,> > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read> the> > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional> > Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads> > the chart> > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct> predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 I once again say the same thing... If one cannot prepare a vegetable dish from the banana leaf, does not mean that others cannot do it... best wishes, Bhaskar. , "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> There is only Natal chart here.No bhava or navamsa!!!> Regards,> gopi.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > Sorry,> >> > We have seen people predicting very well from -> >> > 1) Just the Natal Chart,> >> > 2) Natal and Navamsa.> >> > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit.> >> > None of the above use the other charts......> >> > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts> and> > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology> we> > have learnt ?> >> > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and> predicted> > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil> now> > ?> >> > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not> > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D> Chart> > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick up> > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be> > authenticated.> >> > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody is> > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst> > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so> > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and> > prove that ? Why to search for such examples?> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > Sonia ji,> > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with> > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the> > thread....> > > Regards,> > > gopi.> > > , Sonia Mehdiratta> > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dev Ji,> > > >> > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd> > > house,> > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th.> > And> > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > >> > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly> > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to> fifth> > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and> > its> > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in> > this> > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the> > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Sonia> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > Re: SRILANKA> > > >> > > >> > > > Soniaji,> > > >> > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds> me> > > that. .... Lighter vein....> > > >> > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected> > by> > > sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > >> > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd> > house,> > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th.> And> > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > >> > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord> > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > >> > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > >> > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> > Eighth> > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > >> > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > >> > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will> share> > > other point- technical or non technical.> > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > > details. //> > > >> > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till> > > Bachelors.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> Mehdiratta> > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > >> > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected> by> > > sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord> > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> > Eighth> > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will> > share> > > other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > > details.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Sonia> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > axeplex axeplex@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Soniaji,> > > > >> > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed> in> > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> > but> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> > has> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should> be> > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > >> > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > >> > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no> direct> > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own> > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance> in> > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > >> > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from> > Moon?> > > > >> > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> > lord> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > change> > > in educational stream.//> > > > >> > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in> earlier> > > mail.> > > > >> > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very> > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > education and will do well.//> > > > >> > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > Mehdiratta> > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in> > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> > but> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> > has> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should> > be> > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha> will> > be> > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be> > Moon> > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All> these> > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to> > fifth> > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in> > exaltation> > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall> > > dasha will be fine.> > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> > broadly> > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is> > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> take> > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > change> > > in educational stream.> > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter> > mahadashas> > > will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very> > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > education and will do well.> > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sonia> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail.> > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own> > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous> mail.> > I> > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that> > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > >> > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house> > > > > >> > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I> > understood.> > > That> > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from> the> > > Natal> > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it> cannot> > > be> > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D> Charts> > > to locate> > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does> > not> > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot> notice> > it> > > through> > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why> > for> > > every> > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also> to> > do> > > instead> > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the> > chart> > > has> > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system,> > but> > > rather> > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If> > for> > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts,> > then> > > please> > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can> > > learn more> > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "axeplex"> > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from> > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable> > > cannot be> > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Suresh> > > Awasthi> > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter> with> > > D-12, D1> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come> back> > > in> > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even> three> > > months.> > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have> > > participated> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for> > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly> > > predicts the> > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family> > > Doctor who> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He> > does> > > not> > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT> > Sonography> > > or an X> > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected.> This> > > does not> > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where> 80%> > > of the> > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also> > > explained the> > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this> > > Group till> > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and> > > also> > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal> Chart> > > on a> > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display> > all> > > what> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if> I> > > give you a> > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food> > > here...> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there> is> > > no> > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> opposition> > > since it> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen> > in> > > Natal> > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it> > is> > > better> > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in> > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what> works,> > > rather> > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote> in> > > one of my> > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well,> > you> > > will> > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra> > > level> > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > > forgotten to> > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the> D> > > Charts in> > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not> > nessessary> > > or> > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from> you.> > > But> > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does> > not> > > need> > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does> not> > > teach us> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window.> > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha> > meant> > > for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group> > to> > > at> > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot> > predict> > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> //> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn> but> > > am anyday> > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there> is> > > no> > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen> in> > > Natal> > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is> > > better if> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works,> > > rather than> > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between> > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well,> you> > > will> > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses> Nakshtra> > > level> > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > > forgotten to> > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > > education, it> > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the> D> > > Charts in> > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not> > nessessary> > > or> > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore> > > D-chart.> > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at> > least> > > 1000 to> > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC> > > window and> > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not> > > teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What> > is> > > the> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot> predict> > > education> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to> > > calculate> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be> > > studied in> > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1> also.> > > Basic> > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group> are> > > more> > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong.> > > Everyone> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here.> > And> > > when it> > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take> > > education,> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000> people> > > born with> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be> > even> > > more if> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if> someone> > > predicts> > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to> > exist.> > > We had> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back.> > Whatever> > > concept> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what> > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not> > > written in> > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going> through> > a> > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D> Charts> > > without> > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell> > me> > > how can> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal> MBBS> > > Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is> born.> > > Its> > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the> members> > > here too,> > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself> > > suggested, but> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually,> > > instead its> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken> > to> > > approach> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart> for> > > say the> > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what> > one> > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be> conformed> > > from the> > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts> can> > be> > > done in> > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if> > you> > > want to> > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are> going> > to> > > meet> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her> > > Father is> > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that> > > Girl> > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations> from> > > the D> > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it.> > Just> > > to add> > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If> someone> > > is adept> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult> > > since there> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different> > > factors only> > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot.> Nobody> > > will find> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have> > > already> > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago,> > where> > > I was> > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged> > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not> > standing> > > in> > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides> and> > > switch> > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it> > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for> > > this. You> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line,> > > which I will> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage> > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want> them> > > to learn> > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my> > > efforts are> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect> > > what has> > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting> > from> > > the> > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other> > Charts.> > > In fact> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in> > > hand or> > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to> > > compare KP> > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison.> I> > > was> > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach> > the> > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I> > > don't know> > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly.> > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone> > through> > > the> > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on> > same.> > > So I am> > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement> > and> > > normally> > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody> to> > > argue or> > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me> > any> > > shloka> > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts.> I> > > have put> > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence> of> > D> > > Charts,> > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail> > > please,> > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking> about> > > Tarot> > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and> > > this will> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that> > just> > > as> > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same> > way> > > the> > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ?> I> > > am not.> > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the> > issue> > > about> > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts,> > but> > > thats a> > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every> > > planetwith D> > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of> > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications> are> > > there in> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or> virtual> > > D-chart or> > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an> > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting> an> > > option in> > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard> but> > > results> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that> divides> > > whole> > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which> divides> > > the crowd> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and> > > sub/> > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone> > > approaches> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts,> > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts> ,> > in> > > books> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and> relating> > > the Life> > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the> > > mention of> > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any> Shastra.> > > If any> > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of> > his> > > books,> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not> to> > > be> > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of> > > influence> > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the> > > meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter> > in> > > aspects,> > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read> > the> > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional> > > Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Bhaskarji, Your argument is irrelevant when answers to all of what you have written is already given is the previous posts. It is very well said that all charts are equally important and not only D-charts, then why you repeat the same story? It is also said in previous posts that one can predict from natal chart or natal + navamsa but chances of failure are higher. A chart is presented to you and instead of you coming up with your analysis, you are repeating the same mail again and again. Argument is already closed. I can't expect this from a learned, logical and senior astrologer like you who is very well respected by all including me. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Sorry, > > We have seen people predicting very well from - > > 1) Just the Natal Chart, > > 2) Natal and Navamsa. > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit. > > None of the above use the other charts...... > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts and > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology we > have learnt ? > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and predicted > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil now > ? > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D Chart > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick up > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be > authenticated. > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody is > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and > prove that ? Why to search for such examples? > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > Sonia ji, > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the > thread.... > > Regards, > > gopi. > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote: > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > > house, > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. > And > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and > its > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in > this > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me > > that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected > by > > sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > house, > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > Eighth > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > details. // > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > Bachelors. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by > > sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > Eighth > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > share > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > details. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > but > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > has > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from > Moon? > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > lord > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > change > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier > > mail. > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > Mehdiratta > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > but > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > has > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > be > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > be > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be > Moon > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to > fifth > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > exaltation > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall > > dasha will be fine. > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > broadly > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > change > > in educational stream. > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > mahadashas > > will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > education and will do well. > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > I > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > understood. > > That > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the > > Natal > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot > > be > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts > > to locate > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does > not > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice > it > > through > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why > for > > every > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to > do > > instead > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the > chart > > has > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, > but > > rather > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If > for > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, > then > > please > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can > > learn more > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from > > Banana leaves > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable > > cannot be > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh > > Awasthi > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with > > D-12, D1 > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back > > in > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > months. > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > participated > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly > > predicts the > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family > > Doctor who > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He > does > > not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > Sonography > > or an X > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This > > does not > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% > > of the > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > explained the > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this > > Group till > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and > > also > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart > > on a > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display > all > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I > > give you a > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is > > no > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition > > since it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen > in > > Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it > is > > better > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in > > D-chart? You > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > > rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in > > one of my > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, > you > > will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > > level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > forgotten to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > Charts in > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > nessessary > > or > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. > > But > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does > not > > need > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > > teach us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha > meant > > for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group > to > > at > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > predict > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but > > am anyday > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is > > no > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in > > Natal > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > > better if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > > rather than > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you > > will > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > > level > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > forgotten to > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > education, it > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > Charts in > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > nessessary > > or > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at > least > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC > > window and > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > > teach us to > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What > is > > the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > calculate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be > > studied in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. > > Basic > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are > > more > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > Everyone > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. > And > > when it > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > education, > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people > > born with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be > even > > more if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to > exist. > > We had > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > Whatever > > concept > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not > > written in > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through > a > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > without > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell > me > > how can > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. > > Its > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members > > here too, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > suggested, but > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, > > instead its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken > to > > approach > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for > > say the > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what > one > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed > > from the > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can > be > > done in > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if > you > > want to > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going > to > > meet > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her > > Father is > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that > > Girl > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from > > the D > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. > Just > > to add > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone > > is adept > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult > > since there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different > > factors only > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody > > will find > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have > > already > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, > where > > I was > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged > > through all > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > standing > > in > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and > > switch > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for > > this. You > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, > > which I will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them > > to learn > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my > > efforts are > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect > > what has > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting > from > > the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > Charts. > > In fact > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in > > hand or > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to > > compare KP > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I > > was > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach > the > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I > > don't know > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. > > Nowhere have > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > through > > the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on > same. > > So I am > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement > and > > normally > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to > > argue or > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me > any > > shloka > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I > > have put > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of > D > > Charts, > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail > > please, > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about > > Tarot > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and > > this will > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that > just > > as > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same > way > > the > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I > > am not. > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the > issue > > about > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, > but > > thats a > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > planetwith D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are > > there in > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > individual in the > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > option in > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > results > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides > > whole > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides > > the crowd > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and > > sub/ > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > approaches > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , > in > > books > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating > > the Life > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the > > mention of > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. > > If any > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of > his > > books, > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to > > be > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > influence > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter > in > > aspects, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read > the > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads > > the chart > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Soniaji, There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and 2nd set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is learning, it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the education but education is 4th. regds Dev , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Dev Ji, > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not exactly as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been discussed in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for the information. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > Re: SRILANKA > > > Soniaji, > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope it answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till bachelors. > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other members don't seem interested. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me that. ..... Lighter vein.... > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. // > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till Bachelors. > > > > Regards, > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share other point- technical or non technical. > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra details. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from Moon? > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream.// > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier mail. > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well.// > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, but with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury has exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should be technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will be either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall dasha will be fine. > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some change in educational stream. > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical education and will do well. > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > > > > and > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > > made > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > > > > or > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > > > > in > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > > > > can > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > > > > case > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > > > > can > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > > > > times > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > > explain > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > > stand > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > > > > is > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > > > > if > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > > education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > > > > one > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > > realise > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > > use, > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > > > > the > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > > > > has > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > > > > a > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > > > > is > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > > always > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > > over to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > > > > will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > > > > not > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > > > > sub > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > > > > up > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > > > > Who > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > > > > this. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > > > > are > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > > > > of > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > > considered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2010 Sir, I dont know you. I dont know the person whose chart you have put up. Why am I supposed to do the analysis and spend my time on this? It was you who suggested that one need not see the Natal Chart but could predict from the D Charts . Now the onus of analysis lies on you, and not on me. And secondly I had already closed this, but was brought up again by your goodself that one cannot predict without D Charts. You cannot pass such judgements or make such proclamations Sir. But in any case when are you going to turn up with your analysis on D Charts . regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > Your argument is irrelevant when answers to all of what you have written is already given is the previous posts. It is very well said that all charts are equally important and not only D-charts, then why you repeat the same story? It is also said in previous posts that one can predict from natal chart or natal + navamsa but chances of failure are higher. A chart is presented to you and instead of you coming up with your analysis, you are repeating the same mail again and again. Argument is already closed. > > I can't expect this from a learned, logical and senior astrologer like you who is very well respected by all including me. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Sorry, > > > > We have seen people predicting very well from - > > > > 1) Just the Natal Chart, > > > > 2) Natal and Navamsa. > > > > 3) Natal and Parashari Bhav Chalit. > > > > None of the above use the other charts...... > > > > Let us not fool ourselves that we can predict only from the D Charts and > > cannot predict from the Natal Chart. Is this then the only astrology we > > have learnt ? > > > > And how many of those who propose D Charts have used these and predicted > > for future for any individual in any of these forums or groups uptil now > > ? > > > > Can they show case any examples exactly where the event is not > > noticeable from the Natal Chart, but is only noticeable from the D Chart > > ? Please give us examples of well known personalities and not pick up > > charts which cannot be verified or birth details which cannot be > > authenticated. > > > > If they say that D Charts are so important, then how come everybody is > > predicting from Natal Charts, and we have not seen anybody amongst > > thoudands of astrologer using D Charts uptil now ? And if its so > > important then they should be able to do this in every Horoscope and > > prove that ? Why to search for such examples? > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > Sonia ji, > > > sorry to interupt.Thats how it is.we can not conclude/determine with > > > Rasi chart only.....Pleease note that i am not following the > > thread.... > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > sonia_mehdiratta@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > > > house, > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. > > And > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not directly > > > linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected to fifth > > > house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education and > > its > > > type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth houses in > > this > > > horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running the > > > dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it reminds me > > > that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected > > by > > > sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from 2nd > > house, > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with 5th. And > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > Eighth > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will share > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. // > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house aspected by > > > sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > Eighth > > > lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > share > > > other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > > sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts from > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in earlier > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > > eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > be > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will be > > Moon > > > , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All these > > > planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection to > > fifth > > > house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > exaltation > > > sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but overall > > > dasha will be fine. > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > broadly > > > giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign lord is > > > Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also take > > > up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > mahadashas > > > will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be very > > > promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > I > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > understood. > > > That > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot > > > be > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts > > > to locate > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does > > not > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice > > it > > > through > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why > > for > > > every > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to > > do > > > instead > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the > > chart > > > has > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, > > but > > > rather > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If > > for > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, > > then > > > please > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can > > > learn more > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable > > > cannot be > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh > > > Awasthi > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with > > > D-12, D1 > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back > > > in > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > > months. > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > > participated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly > > > predicts the > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He > > does > > > not > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > Sonography > > > or an X > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This > > > does not > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% > > > of the > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this > > > Group till > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and > > > also > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart > > > on a > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display > > all > > > what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I > > > give you a > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is > > > no > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition > > > since it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen > > in > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it > > is > > > better > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > > > rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in > > > one of my > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, > > you > > > will > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > > > level > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > nessessary > > > or > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. > > > But > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does > > not > > > need > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > > > teach us > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > meant > > > for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group > > to > > > at > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > predict > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but > > > am anyday > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is > > > no > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > > > better if > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, > > > rather than > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you > > > will > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra > > > level > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > > Charts in > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > nessessary > > > or > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at > > least > > > 1000 to > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC > > > window and > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not > > > teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What > > is > > > the > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > education > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > > calculate > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be > > > studied in > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. > > > Basic > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are > > > more > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > > Everyone > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. > > And > > > when it > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > > education, > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people > > > born with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be > > even > > > more if > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to > > exist. > > > We had > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > Whatever > > > concept > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not > > > written in > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through > > a > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > > without > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell > > me > > > how can > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. > > > Its > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members > > > here too, > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, > > > instead its > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken > > to > > > approach > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for > > > say the > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what > > one > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed > > > from the > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can > > be > > > done in > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if > > you > > > want to > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going > > to > > > meet > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her > > > Father is > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that > > > Girl > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from > > > the D > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. > > Just > > > to add > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone > > > is adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult > > > since there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different > > > factors only > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody > > > will find > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have > > > already > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, > > where > > > I was > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > standing > > > in > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and > > > switch > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for > > > this. You > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, > > > which I will > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them > > > to learn > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my > > > efforts are > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect > > > what has > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting > > from > > > the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > Charts. > > > In fact > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in > > > hand or > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to > > > compare KP > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I > > > was > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach > > the > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I > > > don't know > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > through > > > the > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on > > same. > > > So I am > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement > > and > > > normally > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to > > > argue or > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me > > any > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I > > > have put > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of > > D > > > Charts, > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail > > > please, > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about > > > Tarot > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and > > > this will > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that > > just > > > as > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same > > way > > > the > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I > > > am not. > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the > > issue > > > about > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, > > but > > > thats a > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are > > > there in > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > > D-chart or > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > > option in > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > > results > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides > > > whole > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides > > > the crowd > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and > > > sub/ > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > > approaches > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , > > in > > > books > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating > > > the Life > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the > > > mention of > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. > > > If any > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of > > his > > > books, > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to > > > be > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > > influence > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter > > in > > > aspects, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read > > the > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads > > > the chart > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
