Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be studied? And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for higher studies ? regrds/Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Ramji, > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt. > > regds > Dev > > , " Ram Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it (?) …… > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear all, CA (Chartered accountancy) is also a sort of Engineering. Note that in 99% of the CA's charts you will find the 3rd and the 8th house activated. 3rd is also for Mercury (Remember this). In 80% of the Doctors charts you will find the Sun in the 10th. The above comes from experience and not just closing eyes and feeling the Elephants tail (Does it have any ?)and contemplating or unnecessary maintaining a rigid stand just to emphasise or justify whatever has been said and show oneself superior. regards,Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be > studied? > > And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for > higher studies ? > > regrds/Bhaskar. > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Ramji, > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have > never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on > 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I > have learnt. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" > are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would > be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes > associated with it (?) …… > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Bhaskarji, You may please carry on with what you think and are comfortable with and ignore this. I have specifically written what I have learnt. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be > studied? > > And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for > higher studies ? > > regrds/Bhaskar. > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Ramji, > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have > never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on > 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I > have learnt. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" > are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would > be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes > associated with it (?) …… > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Dev ji,It will be nice if you can quote references and examples for what you say. Uttarkalamrita is a good source to refer for significations. Apart form that, please feel free to quote the sources/references from where to see what about education? One always learns. Will be most grateful. Thank you.RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 12:12, axeplex <axeplex wrote: Bhaskarji, You may please carry on with what you think and are comfortable with and ignore this. I have specifically written what I have learnt. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be > studied? > > And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for > higher studies ? > > regrds/Bhaskar. > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Ramji, > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have > never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on > 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I > have learnt. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" > are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would > be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes > associated with it (?) …… > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Dev Ji Research or Deep Research is indicated by 8th house suresh awasthi--- On Mon, 2/15/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote: axeplex <axeplex Re: SRILANKA Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:08 AM Ramji,You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal@.. .> wrote:>> Namaste Dev ji> > Thanks for the reply …..> > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 â€" are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education?> > Interesting re:Mer for Software â€" my personal preference would be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it (?) ……> > Thanks and regards …..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Suresh Awasthi ji,I agree with you. Research and deep researches are seen from 8H when it is fortified. But what kind of researches? and WHEN? Please think about that too.8H is hidden and shows us inclination to gain hidden knowledge (you may call it research) when it is connected to houses of knowledge. When research is done under the guidance of a guru, it is the involvement of 9H. It is simply inclination fructifying in the 9H of guru. This too when benefices and good planets are involved.When the same 8H gets connected with 6H, one might become an under world don with a deep thinking about how to run his empire well! Per se 8H will not give research if it is not connected with 5th or 9H. Even when connected with 5H, if the dasha activates at the age of 70, instead of deep studies one might be doing deep sadhna.It is difficult to make blanket statements in astrology when the permutations and combinations are innumerable. I am only refrerring to Natal chart here. I hvene't even touched the D-charts.Hope that makes sense.RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 12:45, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote: Dear Dev Ji Research or Deep Research is indicated by 8th house suresh awasthi--- On Mon, 2/15/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote: axeplex <axeplex Re: SRILANKA Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:08 AM Ramji,You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt. regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@.. .> wrote: >> Namaste Dev ji> > Thanks for the reply …..> > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it (?) ……> > Thanks and regards …..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Dev ji,I do not know your background or from where you've learnt astrology, so please excuse me if I say something which may not be acceptable to you. No offences meant please.When we say 9H is for higher education, could you please tell me what exactly is meant by that in astrological trms? I have partly tuched uon the issue in my mail to Awasth ji. But I would like to understand from you what is higer education? BA or MA or Medicine. Engineering, Research or a D.Litt? Where exactly is the line drawn? 12H is for ashrams/hospitals/foreign stay, take a person who has 8H dasha conncted with 12H. How will you differentiate what he could be doing of the three possibilities? And when is the fourth possibility when he would do research? I am sure our members would appreciate if you can throw some light on that. RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 10:38, axeplex <axeplex wrote: Ramji, You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt. regds Dev , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Dev ji > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it (?) …… > > Thanks and regards ….. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 I agree with Neelam ji, The 8th house will show seperate or uncommon kinds of researches while the 9th shows different kinds of researches. The 8th will be probing in tangibles while the 9th would be probing in thesis. regards, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Suresh Awasthi ji, > > I agree with you. Research and deep researches are seen from 8H when it is > fortified. But what kind of researches? and WHEN? Please think about that > too. > 8H is hidden and shows us inclination to gain hidden knowledge (you may call > it research) when it is connected to houses of knowledge. > When research is done under the guidance of a guru, it is the involvement of > 9H. It is simply inclination fructifying in the 9H of guru. This too when > benefices and good planets are involved. > When the same 8H gets connected with 6H, one might become an under world don > with a deep thinking about how to run his empire well! > > Per se 8H will not give research if it is not connected with 5th or 9H. > Even when connected with 5H, if the dasha activates at the age of 70, > instead of deep studies one might be doing deep sadhna. > It is difficult to make blanket statements in astrology when the > permutations and combinations are innumerable. > > I am only refrerring to Natal chart here. I hvene't even touched the > D-charts. > > Hope that makes sense. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > On 15 February 2010 12:45, Suresh Awasthi sureshawasthi87 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Dev Ji > > Research or Deep Research is indicated by 8th house > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 2/15/10, axeplex axeplex* wrote: > > > > > > axeplex axeplex > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:08 AM > > > > > > > > Ramji, > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never > > come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for > > engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<http://us.mc1130.mail./mc/compose?to=ancient_indian_astrolo\ gy%40>, > > " Ram Jaswal " rkjaswal@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" are you > > suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would be Rahu > > as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it > > (?) …… > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Respacted Neelam Ji, Hare Krishna When a small child say studding in 1st class is finding a answer under the black cloud what he/she is finding (the native do not know the answer, what he/she is doing ? he/she is doing the work related to 8th house.) in this age what more they can do. may be I am wrong but this is a logic.In 24 hr lagna has to do work for all the houses Thanks & Regards suresh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Neelam JI, A Good Educative post... --nice ------------------ Regards, Devisingh neelam gupta wrote:  Dear All, There are two important but separate issues. One is education and the other is profession. One may be educated in one line and pursue a career in the same or connected line. Or, one may earn a degree in some subject and take a turn to earn a living in another. On how to check education there are varying views and a very clear north-south divide. Anyhow, the logic that I have been taught and I follow is this: 2H: Education at home or early kindergarten education where it is more like imparting of values and traditions. 4H: Formal education at school and college which one pursues as a routine through the system available to him/her. 5H: Education by personal choice and training. 5H is house of vivek and budhhi. When one eapplied his own buddhi and vivek to choose a subject, it is 5H. That is why the courses chosen for professional careers fall in this house. 5H also includes all kinds of trainings and self learning. 9H: This is for higher education but more oriented towards wisdom than learning or education. That is why study of religious texts, philosophy, astrology, research, etc would come under 9H. All other houses, whenever involved with these houses through placements or dashas and antars would give their significations to the subject studied or job aquired. Bhaskar ji has listed some results of 8H when it gets involved with houses of education/profession. There may be many more as we have unlimited options in both education and profession available these days. List is almost endless and would also depend on desh-kaal-patra. For profession, 10H is primarily important, but since profession must bring money and involves day-to-day work, we have 2 and 6 getting involved with it. Through dashas and placement of planets in the houses involved, we can find the linkage between education and profession. I am just sharing what I have learnt. They can be readily applied on the charts for quick judgement. Hope this helps. Those who do not agree plesae feel free to ignore! Regards Neelam On 13 February 2010 17:31, Ram Jaswal <rkjaswal (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote:  Namaste Dev ji  I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse …….  Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well?  Best wishes ….  Jai Sita Ram  Ram  On Behalf Of axeplex 13 February 2010 09:49 Subject: Re: SRILANKA   Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. regds Dev , "siva" <sarasalai_siva wrote: > > || om namo narayana || > > Namaskar list, > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > siva > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > Charts ? > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > thought ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > from > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > and > > > inclinations. > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > other > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "axeplex" axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > before > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , "axeplex" axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > 2nd > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > learning, > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > exactly > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > discussed > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > the > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > it > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > members > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > houses > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > reminds > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > from > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > be > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > be > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > to > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > I > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > that > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > from > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > also > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > the > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > about. > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > from > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > vegetable > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing ..or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > come > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > have > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for > > > Adoption". You > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > strongly > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > family > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > suspected. > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > where > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > food > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > in > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > wrote > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > does > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > learn > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > it > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > at > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > how > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > group > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > take > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > be > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > to > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > what > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > chart > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > Charts > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > So > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > it. > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > different > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > have > > > already > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > ago, > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > rummaged > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > sides > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > want > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > SO > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > chart > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > D-charts, > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > properly. > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > on > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > show > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > this > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > the > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > indications > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > keyboard > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > charts, > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > one > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Dev JI, Please do not mind...then i must want to see your chart...please provide your details if do not mind?? --i like person who are logical ------------------ Regards, Devisingh axeplex wrote: No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the most famous name that came in to my mind. In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse logically) regds Dev , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. >  Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM > Re: SRILANKA > >  > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained. > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > when I read her analysis. > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > from D Charts. > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > revealed the details. > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "siva" > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > ). > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > can > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > even one > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > of the > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology.. So > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > utterly no > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > needs > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > the D > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > show > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > ephasise > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > but > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > There > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. Show > > me one > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > future > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > otherwise > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > failure > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > failures > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > or > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Bhaskar" > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > confirmed > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > studies > > > > > and > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "axeplex" > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > before > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > with > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "axeplex" > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > and > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > learning, > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > 4th and > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > the > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > exactly > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > significances of > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > discussed > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > > 4th > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > Hope > > > > > it > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > for > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > till > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > members > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > connected > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > education > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > houses > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > running > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > reminds > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > till > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > lord > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > i > > > > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > should be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > having no > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > Moon in > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > disturbance > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > starts > > > > > from > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > written in > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > All > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > connection > > > > > to > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > in > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > education, but > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > mail. > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > own > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > mail. > > > > > I > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > middle of > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > I > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > event > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > or it > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > the D > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > through KP, > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > cannot > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > out the > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > work > > > > > also > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > any > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > about. > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > > D > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > that we > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > dish > > > > > from > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > matter > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > definitely > > > > > come > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > even > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > though I > > > > > have > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors > > for > > > > > > Adoption". You > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > strongly > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > normal > > > > > family > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > problem. > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > BUT > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > Group, > > > > > where > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > also > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > you in > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > Charts > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > Natal > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > on > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > Examples even > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > the > > > > > food > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > what is > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > confirmation > > > > > in > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > already > > > > > wrote > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > learn from > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > and > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > > > does > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > same > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > the > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > would > > > > > learn > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > is > > > > > seen > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > > > it > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > well, > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > predicts > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > not > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > group of > > > > > at > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > in the > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > astrology does > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > window. > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > on > > > > > how > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > shall > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > read D-1 > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > are > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > logical > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > us > > > > > take > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > 2000 > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > and may > > > > > be > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > D-24, if > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > back. > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > consider > > > > > what > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > KP is > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > going > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > in D > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > Please > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > normal > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > children is > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > the > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > Natal > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > goodself > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > has > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > Natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > be > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > Father. > > > > > So > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > and are > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > see how > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > with > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > confirmations > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > searching > > > > > it. > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > true. If > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > different > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > shot. > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > Charts. I > > > > > have > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > years > > > > > ago, > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > am not > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to > > change > > > > > sides > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > makes > > > > > it > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > searching > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > one > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > encourage > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > I > > > > > want > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > advance. > > > > > SO > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > to > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > other > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > birth > > > > > chart > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > saying > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > to > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > properly. > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > have gone > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > for > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > you > > > > > show > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > > D > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > every > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > talking > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > balls > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > say > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > predictions, in > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > negating > > > > > this > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > wheres > > > > > the > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > D > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > every > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > talk of > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > indications > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > or > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > identifying an > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > that > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > which > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > charts > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > when > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > charts, > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > of > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > and > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > find > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > any > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > in > > > > > one > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > etc. are > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > points > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > recall as > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > not > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > can > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > if one > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > correct > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 devisingh ji, I find this statement occuring frequently in your address to Dev ji. // i like person who are logical // We would also like to say the same. Hope your fast friend displays this for us to affirm. regards, Bhaskar. , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear Dev JI, > > Please do not mind...then i must want to see your chart...please provide > your details if do not mind?? > > --i like person who are logical > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > axeplex wrote: > > > > > > No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the > > most famous name that came in to my mind. > > > > In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse > > logically) > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > <%40> > > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > >  > > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does > > not indicate what native attained. > > > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall > > experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says > > it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your > > analysis. > > > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is > > seen > > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was > > very > > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you > > would not > > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and > > experienced Guru > > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the > > study and > > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her > > and her > > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th > > house > > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > > > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This > > is new > > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would > > experiment > > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that > > is also > > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " siva " > > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala > > Purusha's 4th > > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > > > can > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the > > Natal > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > > > even one > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > > > of the > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > astrology.. So > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > > utterly no > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. > > It just > > > > needs > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate > > it with > > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > > always to > > > > show > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is > > there, > > > > but > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > > > There > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. > > Show > > > > me one > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > > future > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > > > failure > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > > > failures > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > > > or > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > > studies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well > > but all > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > > > with > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > > follow 4th > > > > and > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > > > 4th and > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > > > the > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence > > is not > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > > results from > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well > > thanks > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter > > period. > > > > Hope > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing > > Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and > > 5th is > > > > for > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > > > till > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, > > other > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > > that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is > > it not > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > > connected > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > > education > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and > > eighth > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > > > running > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your > > name, it > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > > then i > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > continuous > > > > till > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, then > > > > i > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > > > is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > > should be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > > having no > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > > starts > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > > written in > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > Saturn is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance > > dasha > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to > > follow > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > education. > > > > All > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > > connection > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > sign, Mars > > > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > > education, but > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > > will be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write > > a long > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already > > has its > > > > own > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > previous > > > > mail. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary > > details > > > > so > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > > middle of > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > > understand what > > > > I > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > > event > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > > notice it, > > > > or it > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > > necessity of > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > > through KP, > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > > > out the > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > > > work > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not > > mean > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > > > any > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > > already know > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions > > through > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > > > that we > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > > > dish > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃfÆ'Ã+'ÃfâEUR 'ÃfÆ'Ã,¢Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ÃfâEUR¦Ã,¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > > finding the > > > > matter > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃfÆ'Ã+'ÃfâEUR 'ÃfÆ'Ã,¢Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ÃfâEUR¦Ã,¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > > definitely > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it > > may be > > > > even > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > > though I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest > > " Factors > > > > for > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > > normal > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > > Group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > > traditional and > > > > also > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > > > you in > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using > > the D > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > > through the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please > > now put > > > > on > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > > Examples even > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > > > the > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there > > is no > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > > > what is > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > In > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look > > into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > > already > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > > learn from > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > divisions > > > > and > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can > > divide > > > > the > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > > would > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > > confirm what > > > > is > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. In > > > > fact > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved in > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if > > someone > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact > > it is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, > > one can > > > > not > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > > group of > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > > > in the > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > > also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology does > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > > > window. > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > meant > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > illustration > > > > on > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and > > D-charts > > > > shall > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > > > the > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > > logical > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. Let > > > > us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least > > 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > > > and may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > Amsas, it > > > > has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few > > days > > > > back. > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > > consider > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > Shastras. > > > > KP is > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > > > going > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become > > adept > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > > > Please > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > > passing the > > > > normal > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > > children is > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > > sure all > > > > the > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of > > approach > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > > which one > > > > has > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > > > be > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of > > the D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > > Father. > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > > > and are > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > > > see how > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry > > your son > > > > with > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > > searching > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > > true. If > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is > > not that > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > > Charts. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > > > years > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this > > process > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > > > am not > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to > > > > change > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > match...This > > > > makes > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > > searching > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > > book and > > > > one > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D > > Charts. > > > > I > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > > advance. > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for > > them > > > > to > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > > from the > > > > other > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > > birth > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I > > am not > > > > saying > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small > > group > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > > have gone > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > > comments > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > > make any > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > > > for > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > > > you > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen > > in the > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not > > abour > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in > > KP in > > > > every > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > > > talking > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or > > Crystal > > > > balls > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > trying to > > > > say > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > > negating > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > > wheres > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP > > Subs and > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > antras of > > > > every > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > > talk of > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses > > Amsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > identifying an > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > > e.g. for > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > > > that > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > > > which > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, > > virtual > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > > > when > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for > > blind > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > postmartem > > > > of > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > > > and > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will > > never > > > > find > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > Charts, in > > > > any > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV > > raman > > > > in > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > > etc. are > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > > just the > > > > points > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not > > many who > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > > aspects in > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > > > if one > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > > correct > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Bhaskar JI, //Hope your fast friend displays this for us to affirm.// Can we read as below?? //Hope our fast friend displays this for us to affirm.// ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Bhaskar wrote: devisingh ji, I find this statement occuring frequently in your address to Dev ji. // i like person who are logical // We would also like to say the same. Hope your fast friend displays this for us to affirm. regards, Bhaskar. , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear Dev JI, > > Please do not mind...then i must want to see your chart...please provide > your details if do not mind?? > > --i like person who are logical > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > axeplex wrote: > > > > > > No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the > > most famous name that came in to my mind. > > > > In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse > > logically) > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > <%40> > > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > >  > > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does > > not indicate what native attained. > > > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall > > experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says > > it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your > > analysis. > > > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is > > seen > > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was > > very > > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you > > would not > > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and > > experienced Guru > > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the > > study and > > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her > > and her > > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th > > house > > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > > > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This > > is new > > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would > > experiment > > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that > > is also > > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "siva" > > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala > > Purusha's 4th > > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Bhaskar" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > > > can > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the > > Natal > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > > > even one > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > > > of the > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > astrology.. So > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > > utterly no > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. > > It just > > > > needs > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate > > it with > > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > > always to > > > > show > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is > > there, > > > > but > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > > > There > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. > > Show > > > > me one > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > > future > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > > > failure > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > > > failures > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > > > or > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > > studies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well > > but all > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > > > with > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > "axeplex" > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > > follow 4th > > > > and > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > > > 4th and > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > > > the > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence > > is not > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > > results from > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well > > thanks > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter > > period. > > > > Hope > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing > > Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and > > 5th is > > > > for > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > > > till > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, > > other > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > > that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is > > it not > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > > connected > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > > education > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and > > eighth > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > > > running > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your > > name, it > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > > then i > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > continuous > > > > till > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, then > > > > i > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > > > is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > > should be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > > having no > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > > starts > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > > written in > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > Saturn is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance > > dasha > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to > > follow > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > education. > > > > All > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > > connection > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > sign, Mars > > > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > > education, but > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > > will be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write > > a long > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already > > has its > > > > own > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > previous > > > > mail. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary > > details > > > > so > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > > middle of > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > > understand what > > > > I > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > > event > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > > notice it, > > > > or it > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > > necessity of > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > > through KP, > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > > > out the > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > > > work > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not > > mean > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > > > any > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > > already know > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions > > through > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > > > that we > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > > > dish > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃfÆ'Ã+'ÃfâEUR 'ÃfÆ'Ã,¢Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ÃfâEUR¦Ã,¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > > finding the > > > > matter > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃfÆ'Ã+'ÃfâEUR 'ÃfÆ'Ã,¢Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ÃfâEUR¦Ã,¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > > definitely > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it > > may be > > > > even > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > > though I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest > > "Factors > > > > for > > > > > > > > Adoption". You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > > normal > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > > Group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > > traditional and > > > > also > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > > > you in > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using > > the D > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > > through the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please > > now put > > > > on > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > > Examples even > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > > > the > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there > > is no > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > > > what is > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > In > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look > > into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > > already > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > > learn from > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > divisions > > > > and > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can > > divide > > > > the > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > > would > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > > confirm what > > > > is > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. In > > > > fact > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved in > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if > > someone > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact > > it is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, > > one can > > > > not > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > > group of > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > > > in the > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > > also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology does > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > > > window. > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > meant > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > illustration > > > > on > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and > > D-charts > > > > shall > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > > > the > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > > logical > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. Let > > > > us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least > > 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > > > and may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > Amsas, it > > > > has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few > > days > > > > back. > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > > consider > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > Shastras. > > > > KP is > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > > > going > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become > > adept > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > > > Please > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > > passing the > > > > normal > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > > children is > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > > sure all > > > > the > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of > > approach > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > > which one > > > > has > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > > > be > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of > > the D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > > Father. > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > > > and are > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > > > see how > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry > > your son > > > > with > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > > searching > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > > true. If > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is > > not that > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > > Charts. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > > > years > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this > > process > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > > > am not > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to > > > > change > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > match...This > > > > makes > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > > searching > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > > book and > > > > one > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D > > Charts. > > > > I > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > > advance. > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for > > them > > > > to > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > > from the > > > > other > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > > birth > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I > > am not > > > > saying > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small > > group > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > > have gone > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > > comments > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > > make any > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > > > for > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > > > you > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen > > in the > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not > > abour > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in > > KP in > > > > every > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > > > talking > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or > > Crystal > > > > balls > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > trying to > > > > say > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > > negating > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > > wheres > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP > > Subs and > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > antras of > > > > every > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > > talk of > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses > > Amsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > identifying an > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > > e.g. for > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > > > that > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > > > which > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, > > virtual > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > > > when > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for > > blind > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > postmartem > > > > of > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > > > and > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will > > never > > > > find > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > Charts, in > > > > any > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV > > raman > > > > in > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > > etc. are > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > > just the > > > > points > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not > > many who > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > > aspects in > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > > > if one > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > > correct > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Hare Krishna Awasthi ji,Well said! The matrix of 12 houses with 9 tokens to play is what we all come with and which remain with us from START to FINISH!Incidentally, LUDO in Latin means I play!! That is what we do within that matrix or board with our tokens, 24x7! Imagine the state of a little child who ventures into a territory which is happiness for him but forbidden by his adult parents!!I am talking about the 8H -- happiness of child lies in what he does away from his parents prying eyes!! It could be a little probe when a hammers a watch to see how it works! Astrology is amazing! RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 14:27, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote: Respacted Neelam Ji, Hare Krishna When a small child say studding in 1st class is finding a answer under the black cloud what he/she is finding (the native do not know the answer, what he/she is doing ? he/she is doing the work related to 8th house.) in this age what more they can do. may be I am wrong but this is a logic.In 24 hr lagna has to do work for all the houses Thanks & Regards suresh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Lost his child to a disease or acciedent.Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 15/2/10, amit desai <amitwho wrote: amit desai <amitwho Re: SRILANKA Date: Monday, 15 February, 2010, 12:27 AM Dear Neelam ji this is in response to data provided by you the native born on 12 oct 1955. I feel the native is in medical profession, the reason is as follows the house no 5 & 6 are well connected. Jupiter 5th lord is aspecting 6th house Mars 6th lord is aspecting 5th house, such combination i have observed many times in medical students charts. also jupiter(5th lord) is in Leo and its lord sun is with Mars(6th lord) associating 5th & 6th houses. not only this this but thru sudarshanchakra. from Moon, 5th lord is again Jupiter and is aspecting 5th house from moon and the 6th lord from moon i.e saturn is also aspecting 5th house from moon( connecting 5th & 6th houses). from Sun 5th and 6th lord is exalted saturn though its not aspecting 5 or 6th houses from sun but it is aspecting 6th house from lagna. Asc lord Mars also aspects 6th house( probably gives inclination towards controling Rog, Rin & Shatru) hence medical line. i have taken 5th & 6th house for medical studies b'cos 5th house is for studies in general and 6th indicates diseases, hence native may have inclination to study about disease( medical science). Also moon being in kendra helps native in understanding people pysche, this attribute is helpful in medical profession. well the other chart cannot say much b'cos few things changes and the above method cannot differentiate much between the two. thanks and Regards Amit Desai Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Bhai logon. Still many houses are left for engineering. Second house, fourth house, eleventh house and twelfth house. Why cant we try them also? best wishes, Manoj devisigh <devisingh.rajput Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 2:35:32 PMRe: Re: SRILANKA Dear Neelam JI,A Good Educative post...--nice------------ ------ Regards, Devisinghneelam gupta wrote: Dear All,There are two important but separate issues. One is education and the other is profession. One may be educated in one line and pursue a career in the same or connected line. Or, one may earn a degree in some subject and take a turn to earn a living in another. On how to check education there are varying views and a very clear north-south divide. Anyhow, the logic that I have been taught and I follow is this:2H: Education at home or early kindergarten education where it is more like imparting of values and traditions.4H: Formal education at school and college which one pursues as a routine through the system available to him/her.5H: Education by personal choice and training. 5H is house of vivek and budhhi. When one eapplied his own buddhi and vivek to choose a subject, it is 5H. That is why the courses chosen for professional careers fall in this house. 5H also includes all kinds of trainings and self learning. 9H: This is for higher education but more oriented towards wisdom than learning or education. That is why study of religious texts, philosophy, astrology, research, etc would come under 9H.All other houses, whenever involved with these houses through placements or dashas and antars would give their significations to the subject studied or job aquired. Bhaskar ji has listed some results of 8H when it gets involved with houses of education/professio n. There may be many more as we have unlimited options in both education and profession available these days. List is almost endless and would also depend on desh-kaal-patra.For profession, 10H is primarily important, but since profession must bring money and involves day-to-day work, we have 2 and 6 getting involved with it. Through dashas and placement of planets in the houses involved, we can find the linkage between education and profession. I am just sharing what I have learnt. They can be readily applied on the charts for quick judgement.Hope this helps. Those who do not agree plesae feel free to ignore!RegardsNeelam On 13 February 2010 17:31, Ram Jaswal <rkjaswal (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Namaste Dev ji I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? Best wishes …. Jai Sita Ram Ram ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex13 February 2010 09:49ancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji,Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit.Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details.//4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this.You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies.If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24.regdsDev ancient_indian_ astrology, "siva" <sarasalai_siva@ ...> wrote:>> || om namo narayana ||> > Namaskar list,> > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother )> Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ).> > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer.> > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field.> > siva> > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >> > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can> > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal> > Charts ?> > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one> > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart.> > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the> > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So> > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no> > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs> > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D> > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show> > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise> > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but> > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There> > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one> > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future> > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise> > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure> > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures> > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or> > thought ?> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sirs,> > >> > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed> > from> > > the Natal Chart.> > >> > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show> > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc.> > >> > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies> > and> > > inclinations.> > >> > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the> > other> > > charts to look from ?> > >> > > Please explain.> > >> > > regards,Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" axeplex@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Soniaji and all,> > > >> > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details.> > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am> > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all> > before> > > jupiter dasa.> > > >> > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with> > > native chart now and arrive at result.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" axeplex@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Soniaji,> > > > >> > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and> > 2nd> > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is> > learning,> > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and> > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the> > > education but education is 4th.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta> > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not> > exactly> > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.> > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of> > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been> > discussed> > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th> > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for> > the> > > information.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sonia> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > >> > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope> > it> > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc.> > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for> > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till> > > bachelors.> > > > > >> > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other> > members> > > don't seem interested.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from> > 2nd> > > house,> > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with> > > 5th. And> > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected> > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education> > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth> > houses> > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running> > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it> > reminds> > > me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from> > 2nd> > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with> > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth> > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> > lord.> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will> > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra> > > details. //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till> > > Bachelors.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth> > lord> > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord.> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> > will> > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > nakshatra> > > details.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > placed> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> > but> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> > has> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be> > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no> > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in> > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance> > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts> > from> > > Moon?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will> > be> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> > lord> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > change> > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in> > > earlier mail.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > placed> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign,> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated,> > but> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury> > has> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should> > be> > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will> > be> > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will> > be> > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All> > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection> > to> > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in> > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but> > > overall dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign> > lord> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some> > change> > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter> > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical> > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail.> > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own> > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail.> > I> > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so> > that> > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of> > > house> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I> > > understood. That> > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person> > specific.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event> > from> > > the Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it> > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D> > > Charts to locate> > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP,> > > does not> > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot> > > notice it through> > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the> > > why for every> > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work> > also> > > to do instead> > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that> > the> > > chart has> > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any> > > system, but rather> > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know> > about.> > > If for> > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D> > > Charts, then please> > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we> > > can learn more> > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish> > from> > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that> > vegetable> > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter> > > with D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely> > come> > > back in> > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even> > > three months.> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I> > have> > > participated> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for> > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12> > strongly> > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal> > family> > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem.> > > He does not> > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT> > > Sonography or an X> > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already> > suspected.> > > This does not> > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group,> > where> > > 80% of the> > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also> > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in> > > this Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts> > > and also> > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal> > > Chart on a> > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on> > > display all what> > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even> > > if I give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the> > food> > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where> > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > > opposition since it> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is> > > seen in Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In> > fact> > > it is better> > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation> > in> > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what> > > works, rather> > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> > > between> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already> > wrote> > > in one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study> > > well, you will> > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses> > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have> > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study> > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from> > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and> > > does not need> > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology> > does> > > not teach us> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same> > > window. What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the> > Navamsha> > > meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the> > > group to at> > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot> > > predict> > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> > > Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would> > learn> > > but am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where> > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is> > seen> > > in Natal> > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact> > it> > > is better if> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what> > > works, rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects> > > between> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study> > well,> > > you will> > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses> > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> > have> > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone> > predicts> > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study> > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not> > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not> > > ignore D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of> > at> > > least 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the> > > ASC window and> > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does> > > not teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window.> > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot> > > predict education> > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24> > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on> > how> > > to calculate> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall> > > be studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1> > > also. Basic> > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the> > group> > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are> > > wrong. Everyone> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical> > > here. And when it> > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us> > take> > > education,> > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000> > > people born with> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may> > be> > > even more if> > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if> > > someone predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has> > to> > > exist. We had> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back.> > > Whatever concept> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider> > what> > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is> > > not written in> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going> > > through a> > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D> > > Charts without> > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please> > > tell me how can> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal> > > MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is> > > born. Its> > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the> > > members here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal> > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself> > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> > > actually, instead its> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has> > > taken to approach> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal> > chart> > > for say the> > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or> > > what one> > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be> > > conformed from the> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D> > Charts> > > can be done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father.> > So> > > if you want to> > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are> > > going to meet> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how> > > her Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with> > > that Girl> > > > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations> > > from the D> > > > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching> > it.> > > Just to add> > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If> > > someone is adept> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> > > difficult since there> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of> > different> > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot.> > > Nobody will find> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I> > have> > > already> > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years> > ago,> > > where I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process> > rummaged> > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not> > > standing in> > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change> > sides> > > and switch> > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes> > it> > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching> > > for this. You> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one> > > Line, which I will> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage> > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I> > want> > > them to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance.> > SO> > > my efforts are> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to> > > connect what has> > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> > > predicting from the> > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other> > > Charts. In fact> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth> > chart> > > in hand or> > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying> > > to compare KP> > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> > > comparison. I was> > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to> > > reach the> > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in> > D-charts,> > > I don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail> > properly.> > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone> > > through the> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments> > on> > > same. So I am> > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> > > statement and normally> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for> > > anybody to argue or> > > > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you> > show> > > me any shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D> > > Charts. I have put> > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> > > existence of D Charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every> > > mail please,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking> > > about Tarot> > > > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls> > > and this will> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say> > > that just as> > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in> > > same way the> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating> > this> > > ? I am not.> > > > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres> > the> > > issue about> > > > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D> > > Charts, but thats a> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every> > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of> > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some> > indications> > > are there in> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or> > > virtual D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an> > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> > > selecting an option in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses> > keyboard> > > but results> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that> > > divides whole> > > > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which> > > divides the crowd> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts> > > and sub/> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when> > > somone approaches> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind> > charts,> > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of> > > Charts , in books> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and> > > relating the Life> > > > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find> > > the mention of> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any> > > Shastra. If any> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in> > one> > > of his books,> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are> > > not to be> > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points> > > of influence> > > > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as> > > the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not> > > matter in aspects,> > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can> > > read the> > > > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> > > Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one> > > reads the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct> > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear friends, Kindly do enlighten a "moorkha" like me for higher education to be seen from 9th house. Like a "moorkha", I always believed 5th house as house of education. Perhaps there is some mistake in Parashara. regards, Manoj axeplex <axeplex Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 12:12:03 PM Re: SRILANKA Bhaskarji,You may please carry on with what you think and are comfortable with and ignore this. I have specifically written what I have learnt.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be> studied?> > And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for> higher studies ?> > regrds/Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> wrote:> >> > Ramji,> >> > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have> never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on> 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I> have learnt.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Ram Jaswal"> rkjaswal@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Dev ji> > >> > > Thanks for the reply …..> > >> > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 â€"> are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education?> > >> > > Interesting re:Mer for Software â€" my personal preference would> be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes> associated with it (?) ……> > >> > > Thanks and regards …..> > >> > > Jai Sita Ram> > >> > > Ram> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Mauji Bhai, Kyon majaak karte ho ? 4th house is mother. Childhood. First education is received from Mother and Mother like Teachers at school. 9th is for Guru. Guru denotes higher educations. 9th also means Father, who is supposed to teach you how to live in Life, earn money, and subsist in this world. Guru teaches how to subsisit not only in this world, but also prepares for the enxt world. Hence 9th is for higher educations. Parashar Maharaj kya kahte hain main nahin jaanta. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Kindly do enlighten a " moorkha " like me for higher education to be seen from 9th house. Like a " moorkha " , I always believed 5th house as house of education. Perhaps there is some mistake in Parashara. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex axeplex > > Mon, February 15, 2010 12:12:03 PM > Re: SRILANKA > >  > Bhaskarji, > > You may please carry on with what you think and are comfortable with and ignore this. I have specifically written what I have learnt. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be > > studied? > > > > And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for > > higher studies ? > > > > regrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Ramji, > > > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have > > never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on > > 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I > > have learnt. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Ram Jaswal " > > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" > > are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would > > be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes > > associated with it (?) …… > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Bhai ji, But whos stopping you from trying enginnering on these houses ? Why dont you participate ? Bring a smart women to your place. Take a scissors, and cut her hair properly. Shape her eyebrows properly. Apply the right shade of Lipstick to her matching her skin. If she wants use some Lip Gloss. Use eye liners and blush and what have you (I dont know) . Give her some jewellry matching her face ( Do this when your wife is not there), and Lo and behold. You have done engineering for the 2nd house. Make her look more bautiful. After that dont do anything but pack her back to her home or wherever she wants to go. Dont you think that a Beautician will have the 2nd and 8th house active , and is a form of Engineering? Now same with 4th house . The structural Engineer is what connects to the 4th house. Treat same for the other houses. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Bhai logon. Still many houses are left for engineering. Second house, fourth house, eleventh house and twelfth house. Why cant we try them also? > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > devisigh devisingh.rajput > > Mon, February 15, 2010 2:35:32 PM > Re: Re: SRILANKA > >  > Dear Neelam JI, > > A Good Educative post... > > --nice > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > neelam gupta wrote: >  > >Dear All, > > > >There are two important but separate issues. One is education and the other is profession. > >One may be educated in one line and pursue a career in the same or connected line. Or, one may earn a degree in some subject and take a turn to earn a living in another. > > > >On how to check education there are varying views and a very clear north-south divide. Anyhow, the logic that I have been taught and I follow is this: > > > >2H: Education at home or early kindergarten education where it is more like imparting of values and traditions. > >4H: Formal education at school and college which one pursues as a routine through the system available to him/her. > >5H: Education by personal choice and training. 5H is house of vivek and budhhi. When one eapplied his own buddhi and vivek to choose a subject, it is 5H. That is why the courses chosen for professional careers fall in this house. 5H also includes all kinds of trainings and self learning. > >9H: This is for higher education but more oriented towards wisdom than learning or education. That is why study of religious texts, philosophy, astrology, research, etc would come under 9H. > > > >All other houses, whenever involved with these houses through placements or dashas and antars would give their significations to the subject studied or job aquired. Bhaskar ji has listed some results of 8H when it gets involved with houses of education/professio n. There may be many more as we have unlimited options in both education and profession available these days. List is almost endless and would also depend on desh-kaal-patra. > > > >For profession, 10H is primarily important, but since profession must bring money and involves day-to-day work, we have 2 and 6 getting involved with it. > > > >Through dashas and placement of planets in the houses involved, we can find the linkage between education and profession. > > > >I am just sharing what I have learnt. They can be readily applied on the charts for quick judgement. > > > >Hope this helps. Those who do not agree plesae feel free to ignore! > > > >Regards > >Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 13 February 2010 17:31, Ram Jaswal rkjaswal (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > >>Namaste Dev ji > >> > >>I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > >> > >>Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > >> > >>Best wishes …. > >> > >>Jai Sita Ram > >> > >>Ram > >> > >> > ________________________________ > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex > >>13 February 2010 09:49 > >>ancient_indian_ astrology > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >> > >> > >>Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > >> > >>Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > >> > >>Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > >> > >>//4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > >> > >>You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > >>If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > >> > >>regds > >>Dev > >> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " siva " <sarasalai_siva@ ...> wrote: > >>> > >>> || om namo narayana || > >>> > >>> Namaskar list, > >>> > >>> First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > >>> Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > >>> > >>> Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > >>> > >>> 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > >>> > >>> siva > >>> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > >>> > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > >>> > Charts ? > >>> > > >>> > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > >>> > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > >>> > > >>> > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > >>> > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > >>> > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > >>> > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > >>> > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > >>> > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > >>> > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > >>> > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > >>> > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > >>> > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > >>> > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > >>> > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > >>> > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > >>> > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > >>> > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > >>> > thought ? > >>> > > >>> > best wishes, > >>> > > >>> > Bhaskar. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > >>> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Sirs, > >>> > > > >>> > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > >>> > from > >>> > > the Natal Chart. > >>> > > > >>> > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > >>> > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > >>> > > > >>> > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > >>> > and > >>> > > inclinations. > >>> > > > >>> > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > >>> > other > >>> > > charts to look from ? > >>> > > > >>> > > Please explain. > >>> > > > >>> > > regards,Bhaskar. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " axeplex@ > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Soniaji and all, > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > >>> > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > >>> > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > >>> > before > >>> > > jupiter dasa. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > >>> > > native chart now and arrive at result. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > regds > >>> > > > Dev > >>> > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " axeplex@ > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > >>> > 2nd > >>> > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > >>> > learning, > >>> > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > >>> > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > >>> > > education but education is 4th. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > regds > >>> > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta > >>> > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > >>> > exactly > >>> > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > >>> > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > >>> > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > >>> > discussed > >>> > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > >>> > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > >>> > the > >>> > > information. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > >>> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > >>> > it > >>> > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > >>> > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > >>> > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > >>> > > bachelors. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > >>> > members > >>> > > don't seem interested. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > >>> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > >>> > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > >>> > 2nd > >>> > > house, > >>> > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > >>> > > 5th. And > >>> > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > >>> > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > >>> > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > >>> > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > >>> > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > >>> > houses > >>> > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > >>> > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > >>> > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > >>> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > >>> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > >>> > reminds > >>> > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > >>> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > >>> > 2nd > >>> > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > >>> > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > >>> > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > >>> > lord. > >>> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > >>> > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > >>> > > share other point- technical or non technical. > >>> > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > >>> > > details. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > >>> > > Bachelors. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > >>> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > >>> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > >>> > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > >>> > lord > >>> > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > >>> > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > >>> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > >>> > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > >>> > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > >>> > will > >>> > > share other point- technical or non technical. > >>> > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > >>> > nakshatra > >>> > > details. > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > >>> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > >>> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > >>> > placed > >>> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > >>> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > >>> > but > >>> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > >>> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > >>> > has > >>> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > >>> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > >>> > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > >>> > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > >>> > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > >>> > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > >>> > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > >>> > from > >>> > > Moon? > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > >>> > be > >>> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > >>> > lord > >>> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > >>> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > >>> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > >>> > change > >>> > > in educational stream.// > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > >>> > > earlier mail. > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > >>> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > >>> > > education and will do well.// > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > >>> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > >>> > placed > >>> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > >>> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > >>> > but > >>> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > >>> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > >>> > has > >>> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > >>> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > >>> > be > >>> > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > >>> > be > >>> > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > >>> > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > >>> > be > >>> > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > >>> > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > >>> > to > >>> > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > >>> > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > >>> > > overall dasha will be fine. > >>> > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > >>> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > >>> > lord > >>> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > >>> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > >>> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > >>> > change > >>> > > in educational stream. > >>> > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > >>> > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > >>> > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > >>> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > >>> > > education and will do well. > >>> > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > >>> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > >>> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > >>> > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > >>> > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > >>> > I > >>> > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > >>> > that > >>> > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > >>> > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > >>> > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > >>> > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > >>> > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > >>> > > house > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > >>> > > understood. That > >>> > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > >>> > specific. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > >>> > from > >>> > > the Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > >>> > > cannot be > >>> > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > >>> > > Charts to locate > >>> > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > >>> > > does not > >>> > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > >>> > > notice it through > >>> > > > > > > > > > KP. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > >>> > > why for every > >>> > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > >>> > also > >>> > > to do instead > >>> > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > >>> > the > >>> > > chart has > >>> > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > >>> > > system, but rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > >>> > about. > >>> > > If for > >>> > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > >>> > > Charts, then please > >>> > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > >>> > > can learn more > >>> > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > " Bhaskar " > >>> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > >>> > from > >>> > > Banana leaves > >>> > > > > > > > > > and > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > >>> > vegetable > >>> > > cannot be > >>> > > > > > > > > > made > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > Suresh Awasthi > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > >>> > > with D-12, D1 > >>> > > > > > > > > > or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > >>> > come > >>> > > back in > >>> > > > > > > > > > future. I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > >>> > > three months. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > >>> > have > >>> > > participated > >>> > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > >>> > > Adoption " . You > >>> > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > >>> > strongly > >>> > > predicts the > >>> > > > > > > > > > case > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > >>> > com, > >>> > > " Bhaskar " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > >>> > family > >>> > > Doctor who > >>> > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > tell > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > >>> > > He does not > >>> > > > > > > > > > need > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > >>> > > Sonography or an X > >>> > > > > > > > > > Ray > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > >>> > suspected. > >>> > > This does not > >>> > > > > > > > > > mean > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > >>> > where > >>> > > 80% of the > >>> > > > > > > > > > times > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > i > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > >>> > > explained the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > >>> > > this Group till > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > date. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > >>> > > and also > >>> > > > > > > > > > explain > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > why > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > >>> > > Chart on a > >>> > > > > > > > > > stand > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > alone > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > >>> > > display all what > >>> > > > > > > > > > you > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > have > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > >>> > > illustrations. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > >>> > > if I give you a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > months > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > >>> > food > >>> > > here... > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > >>> > > com, " axeplex " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > >>> > > there is no > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > >>> > > opposition since it > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > >>> > > seen in Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > >>> > fact > >>> > > it is better > >>> > > > > > > > > > if > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > >>> > in > >>> > > D-chart? You > >>> > > > > > > > > > would > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > >>> > > works, rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > than > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > what > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > >>> > > between > >>> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > in D > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > >>> > wrote > >>> > > in one of my > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > previous > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > >>> > > well, you will > >>> > > > > > > > > > realise > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > >>> > > Nakshtra level > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > >>> > > forgotten to > >>> > > > > > > > > > use, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > due to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > >>> > > the D Charts in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > order > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > >>> > > nessessary or > >>> > > > > > > > > > mandatory > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > >>> > > you. But > >>> > > > > > > > > > without > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > >>> > > does not need > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > >>> > does > >>> > > not teach us > >>> > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > >>> > > window. What is the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > >>> > Navamsha > >>> > > meant for ? // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > >>> > > group to at > >>> > > > > > > > > > maximum > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > >>> > > predict > >>> > > > > > > > > > education > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > from > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > >>> > > Chart. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > >>> > learn > >>> > > but am anyday > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > open to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > >>> > > com, " Bhaskar " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > >>> > > there is no > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > >>> > seen > >>> > > in Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > >>> > it > >>> > > is better if > >>> > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > >>> > > works, rather than > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > what is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > >>> > > between > >>> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > >>> > well, > >>> > > you will > >>> > > > > > > > > > realise > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > is a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > >>> > > Nakshtra level > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > >>> > have > >>> > > forgotten to > >>> > > > > > > > > > use, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > due > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > >>> > predicts > >>> > > education, it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > does > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > >>> > > the D Charts in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > order to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > >>> > > nessessary or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > >>> > > ignore D-chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > Let us > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > >>> > at > >>> > > least 1000 to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > >>> > > ASC window and > >>> > > > > > > > > > may > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > be > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > >>> > > not teach us to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > >>> > > What is the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > >>> > > predict education > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > from > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > >>> > > Chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > >>> > how > >>> > > to calculate > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > . > >>> > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > >>> > > be studied in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > >>> > > also. Basic > >>> > > > > > > > > > fundas > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > are > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > >>> > group > >>> > > are more > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > >>> > > wrong. Everyone > >>> > > > > > > > > > has > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > own > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > >>> > > here. And when it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > >>> > take > >>> > > education, > >>> > > > > > > > > > there > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > >>> > > people born with > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > same > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > >>> > be > >>> > > even more if > >>> > > > > > > > > > we > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > >>> > > someone predicts > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > >>> > to > >>> > > exist. We had > >>> > > > > > > > > > a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > big > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > >>> > > Whatever concept > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > used > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > >>> > what > >>> > > works. Rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > than > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > >>> > > not written in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > >>> > > through a > >>> > > > > > > > > > marriage, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > >>> > > Charts without > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > >>> > > tell me how can > >>> > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > >>> > > MBBS Degree. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > >>> > > born. Its > >>> > > > > > > > > > always > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > >>> > > members here too, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > would > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > >>> > > Chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > >>> > > suggested, but > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > >>> > > actually, instead its > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > >>> > > taken to approach > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > >>> > chart > >>> > > for say the > >>> > > > > > > > > > 5th > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > >>> > > what one > >>> > > > > > > > > > observes in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > >>> > > conformed from the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > >>> > Charts > >>> > > can be done in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > >>> > So > >>> > > if you want to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > bring > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > >>> > > going to meet > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > >>> > > her Father is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > >>> > > that Girl > >>> > > > > > > > > > (Combine > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > what > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > >>> > > from the D > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart). > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > >>> > it. > >>> > > Just to add > >>> > > > > > > > > > on to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > >>> > > someone is adept > >>> > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > >>> > > difficult since there > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > >>> > different > >>> > > factors only > >>> > > > > > > > > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > >>> > > Nobody will find > >>> > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > >>> > have > >>> > > already > >>> > > > > > > > > > exchanged > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > >>> > ago, > >>> > > where I was > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > >>> > rummaged > >>> > > through all > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > >>> > > standing in > >>> > > > > > > > > > support, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > >>> > sides > >>> > > and switch > >>> > > > > > > > > > over to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > >>> > it > >>> > > enjoyable. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > >>> > > for this. You > >>> > > > > > > > > > will > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > >>> > > Line, which I will > >>> > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > say > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > >>> > > astrologers in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > matching > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > >>> > want > >>> > > them to learn > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > >>> > SO > >>> > > my efforts are > >>> > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > help > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > >>> > > connect what has > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > happened > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > >>> > > predicting from the > >>> > > > > > > > > > Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > >>> > > Charts. In fact > >>> > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > >>> > chart > >>> > > in hand or > >>> > > > > > > > > > with no > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > >>> > > to compare KP > >>> > > > > > > > > > sub > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > with > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > >>> > > comparison. I was > >>> > > > > > > > > > saying, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > >>> > > reach the > >>> > > > > > > > > > individual. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > >>> > D-charts, > >>> > > I don't know > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > where > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > >>> > properly. > >>> > > Nowhere have > >>> > > > > > > > > > I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > >>> > > through the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > >>> > on > >>> > > same. So I am > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > fully > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > >>> > > statement and normally > >>> > > > > > > > > > do > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > >>> > > anybody to argue or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > point > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > >>> > show > >>> > > me any shloka > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > >>> > > Charts. I have put > >>> > > > > > > > > > up > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > this > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > >>> > > existence of D Charts, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > which I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > >>> > > mail please, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > >>> > > about Tarot > >>> > > > > > > > > > Cards > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > then > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > >>> > > and this will > >>> > > > > > > > > > all > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > >>> > > that just as > >>> > > > > > > > > > people > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > >>> > > same way the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > >>> > this > >>> > > ? I am not. > >>> > > > > > > > > > Who > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > says > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > >>> > the > >>> > > issue about > >>> > > > > > > > > > this. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > >>> > > Charts, but thats a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > >>> > > planetwith D > >>> > > > > > > > > > Charts > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > and > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > >>> > astrology@ > >>> > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > >>> > > divisions. Though > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > there > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > >>> > indications > >>> > > are there in > >>> > > > > > > > > > some > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > >>> > > virtual D-chart or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > >>> > > individual in the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > >>> > > selecting an option in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > >>> > keyboard > >>> > > but results > >>> > > > > > > > > > are > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > same. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > >>> > > divides whole > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > population > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > >>> > > divides the crowd > >>> > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > >>> > > and sub/ > >>> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > help > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > >>> > > somone approaches > >>> > > > > > > > > > with > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > >>> > charts, > >>> > > divisions are > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > >>> > > astrology@ . > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > >>> > > Charts , in books > >>> > > > > > > > > > of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > >>> > > relating the Life > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > events to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > >>> > > the mention of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > >>> > > Shastra. If any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > >>> > one > >>> > > of his books, > >>> > > > > > > > > > has > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > >>> > > not to be > >>> > > > > > > > > > considered > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > >>> > > of influence > >>> > > > > > > > > > (Not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > >>> > > the meaning). > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > >>> > > matter in aspects, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > because > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > >>> > > read the > >>> > > > > > > > > > Divisional > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > >>> > > Divisional Charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > >>> > > reads the chart > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > >>> > > predictions. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 But Sir, out of curiosity, just requesting you, can You point out which shloka from Parashar indicates education from the 5th ? regards/Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Kindly do enlighten a " moorkha " like me for higher education to be seen from 9th house. Like a " moorkha " , I always believed 5th house as house of education. Perhaps there is some mistake in Parashara. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex axeplex > > Mon, February 15, 2010 12:12:03 PM > Re: SRILANKA > >  > Bhaskarji, > > You may please carry on with what you think and are comfortable with and ignore this. I have specifically written what I have learnt. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be > > studied? > > > > And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for > > higher studies ? > > > > regrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Ramji, > > > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have > > never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on > > 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I > > have learnt. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Ram Jaswal " > > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" > > are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would > > be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes > > associated with it (?) …… > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Bhaskarji, //The structural Engineer is what connects to the 4th house//. What can be said about 6,8,9,11 houses, if they are interconnected? // Bhaskar wrote: Bhai ji, But whos stopping you from trying enginnering on these houses ? Why dont you participate ? Bring a smart women to your place. Take a scissors, and cut her hair properly. Shape her eyebrows properly. Apply the right shade of Lipstick to her matching her skin. If she wants use some Lip Gloss. Use eye liners and blush and what have you (I dont know) . Give her some jewellry matching her face ( Do this when your wife is not there), and Lo and behold. You have done engineering for the 2nd house. Make her look more bautiful. After that dont do anything but pack her back to her home or wherever she wants to go. Dont you think that a Beautician will have the 2nd and 8th house active , and is a form of Engineering? Now same with 4th house . The structural Engineer is what connects to the 4th house. Treat same for the other houses. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Bhai logon. Still many houses are left for engineering. Second house, fourth house, eleventh house and twelfth house. Why cant we try them also? > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > devisigh devisingh.rajput > > Mon, February 15, 2010 2:35:32 PM > Re: Re: SRILANKA > >  > Dear Neelam JI, > > A Good Educative post... > > --nice > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > neelam gupta wrote: >  > >Dear All, > > > >There are two important but separate issues. One is education and the other is profession. > >One may be educated in one line and pursue a career in the same or connected line. Or, one may earn a degree in some subject and take a turn to earn a living in another. > > > >On how to check education there are varying views and a very clear north-south divide. Anyhow, the logic that I have been taught and I follow is this: > > > >2H: Education at home or early kindergarten education where it is more like imparting of values and traditions. > >4H: Formal education at school and college which one pursues as a routine through the system available to him/her. > >5H: Education by personal choice and training. 5H is house of vivek and budhhi. When one eapplied his own buddhi and vivek to choose a subject, it is 5H. That is why the courses chosen for professional careers fall in this house. 5H also includes all kinds of trainings and self learning. > >9H: This is for higher education but more oriented towards wisdom than learning or education. That is why study of religious texts, philosophy, astrology, research, etc would come under 9H. > > > >All other houses, whenever involved with these houses through placements or dashas and antars would give their significations to the subject studied or job aquired. Bhaskar ji has listed some results of 8H when it gets involved with houses of education/professio n. There may be many more as we have unlimited options in both education and profession available these days. List is almost endless and would also depend on desh-kaal-patra. > > > >For profession, 10H is primarily important, but since profession must bring money and involves day-to-day work, we have 2 and 6 getting involved with it. > > > >Through dashas and placement of planets in the houses involved, we can find the linkage between education and profession. > > > >I am just sharing what I have learnt. They can be readily applied on the charts for quick judgement. > > > >Hope this helps. Those who do not agree plesae feel free to ignore! > > > >Regards > >Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 13 February 2010 17:31, Ram Jaswal rkjaswal (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > >>Namaste Dev ji > >> > >>I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > >> > >>Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > >> > >>Best wishes …. > >> > >>Jai Sita Ram > >> > >>Ram > >> > >> > ________________________________ > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex > >>13 February 2010 09:49 > >>ancient_indian_ astrology > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >> > >> > >>Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > >> > >>Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > >> > >>Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > >> > >>//4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > >> > >>You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > >>If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > >> > >>regds > >>Dev > >> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, "siva" <sarasalai_siva@ ...> wrote: > >>> > >>> || om namo narayana || > >>> > >>> Namaskar list, > >>> > >>> First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > >>> Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > >>> > >>> Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > >>> > >>> 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > >>> > >>> siva > >>> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > >>> > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > >>> > Charts ? > >>> > > >>> > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > >>> > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > >>> > > >>> > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > >>> > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > >>> > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > >>> > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > >>> > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > >>> > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > >>> > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > >>> > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > >>> > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > >>> > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > >>> > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > >>> > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > >>> > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > >>> > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > >>> > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > >>> > thought ? > >>> > > >>> > best wishes, > >>> > > >>> > Bhaskar. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Bhaskar" > >>> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Sirs, > >>> > > > >>> > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > >>> > from > >>> > > the Natal Chart. > >>> > > > >>> > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > >>> > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > >>> > > > >>> > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > >>> > and > >>> > > inclinations. > >>> > > > >>> > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > >>> > other > >>> > > charts to look from ? > >>> > > > >>> > > Please explain. > >>> > > > >>> > > regards,Bhaskar. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "axeplex" axeplex@ > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Soniaji and all, > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > >>> > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > >>> > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > >>> > before > >>> > > jupiter dasa. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > >>> > > native chart now and arrive at result. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > regds > >>> > > > Dev > >>> > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "axeplex" axeplex@ > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > >>> > 2nd > >>> > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > >>> > learning, > >>> > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > >>> > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > >>> > > education but education is 4th. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > regds > >>> > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia Mehdiratta > >>> > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > >>> > exactly > >>> > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > >>> > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > >>> > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > >>> > discussed > >>> > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > >>> > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > >>> > the > >>> > > information. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > >>> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > >>> > it > >>> > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > >>> > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > >>> > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > >>> > > bachelors. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > >>> > members > >>> > > don't seem interested. > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > >>> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > >>> > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > >>> > 2nd > >>> > > house, > >>> > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > >>> > > 5th. And > >>> > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > >>> > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > >>> > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > >>> > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > >>> > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > >>> > houses > >>> > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > >>> > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > >>> > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > >>> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > >>> > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > >>> > reminds > >>> > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > >>> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > >>> > 2nd > >>> > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > >>> > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > >>> > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > >>> > lord. > >>> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > >>> > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > >>> > > share other point- technical or non technical. > >>> > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > >>> > > details. // > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > >>> > > Bachelors. > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > >>> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > >>> > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > >>> > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > >>> > lord > >>> > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > >>> > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > >>> > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > >>> > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > >>> > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > >>> > will > >>> > > share other point- technical or non technical. > >>> > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > >>> > nakshatra > >>> > > details. > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > >>> > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > >>> > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Soniaji, > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > >>> > placed > >>> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > >>> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > >>> > but > >>> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > >>> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > >>> > has > >>> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > >>> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > >>> > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > >>> > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > >>> > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > >>> > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > >>> > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > >>> > from > >>> > > Moon? > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > >>> > be > >>> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > >>> > lord > >>> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > >>> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > >>> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > >>> > change > >>> > > in educational stream.// > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > >>> > > earlier mail. > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > >>> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > >>> > > education and will do well.// > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > >>> > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > >>> > placed > >>> > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > >>> > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > >>> > but > >>> > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > >>> > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > >>> > has > >>> > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > >>> > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > >>> > be > >>> > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > >>> > be > >>> > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > >>> > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > >>> > be > >>> > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > >>> > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > >>> > to > >>> > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > >>> > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > >>> > > overall dasha will be fine. > >>> > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > >>> > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > >>> > lord > >>> > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > >>> > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > >>> > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > >>> > change > >>> > > in educational stream. > >>> > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > >>> > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > >>> > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > >>> > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > >>> > > education and will do well. > >>> > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Sonia > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > >>> > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > >>> > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > >>> > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > >>> > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > >>> > I > >>> > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > >>> > that > >>> > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > >>> > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > >>> > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > >>> > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > >>> > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > >>> > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > >>> > > house > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > >>> > > understood. That > >>> > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > >>> > specific. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > >>> > from > >>> > > the Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > >>> > > cannot be > >>> > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > >>> > > Charts to locate > >>> > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > >>> > > does not > >>> > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > >>> > > notice it through > >>> > > > > > > > > > KP. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > >>> > > why for every > >>> > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > >>> > also > >>> > > to do instead > >>> > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > >>> > the > >>> > > chart has > >>> > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > >>> > > system, but rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > >>> > about. > >>> > > If for > >>> > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > >>> > > Charts, then please > >>> > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > >>> > > can learn more > >>> > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > "axeplex" <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > "Bhaskar" > >>> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > >>> > from > >>> > > Banana leaves > >>> > > > > > > > > > and > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > >>> > vegetable > >>> > > cannot be > >>> > > > > > > > > > made > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > >>> > > Suresh Awasthi > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > >>> > > with D-12, D1 > >>> > > > > > > > > > or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > >>> > come > >>> > > back in > >>> > > > > > > > > > future. I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > >>> > > three months. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > >>> > have > >>> > > participated > >>> > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for > >>> > > Adoption". You > >>> > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > >>> > strongly > >>> > > predicts the > >>> > > > > > > > > > case > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > >>> > com, > >>> > > "Bhaskar" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > >>> > family > >>> > > Doctor who > >>> > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > tell > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > >>> > > He does not > >>> > > > > > > > > > need > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > >>> > > Sonography or an X > >>> > > > > > > > > > Ray > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > >>> > suspected. > >>> > > This does not > >>> > > > > > > > > > mean > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > >>> > where > >>> > > 80% of the > >>> > > > > > > > > > times > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > i > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > >>> > > explained the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > >>> > > this Group till > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > date. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > >>> > > and also > >>> > > > > > > > > > explain > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > why > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > >>> > > Chart on a > >>> > > > > > > > > > stand > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > alone > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > >>> > > display all what > >>> > > > > > > > > > you > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > have > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > >>> > > illustrations. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > >>> > > if I give you a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > months > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > >>> > food > >>> > > here... > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > >>> > > com, "axeplex" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > >>> > > there is no > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > >>> > > opposition since it > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > >>> > > seen in Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > >>> > fact > >>> > > it is better > >>> > > > > > > > > > if > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > >>> > in > >>> > > D-chart? You > >>> > > > > > > > > > would > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > >>> > > works, rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > than > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > what > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > >>> > > between > >>> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > in D > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > >>> > wrote > >>> > > in one of my > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > previous > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > >>> > > well, you will > >>> > > > > > > > > > realise > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > >>> > > Nakshtra level > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > >>> > > forgotten to > >>> > > > > > > > > > use, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > due to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > >>> > > the D Charts in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > order > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > >>> > > nessessary or > >>> > > > > > > > > > mandatory > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > >>> > > you. But > >>> > > > > > > > > > without > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > >>> > > does not need > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > >>> > does > >>> > > not teach us > >>> > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > >>> > > window. What is the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > >>> > Navamsha > >>> > > meant for ? // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > >>> > > group to at > >>> > > > > > > > > > maximum > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > >>> > > predict > >>> > > > > > > > > > education > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > from > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > >>> > > Chart. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > >>> > learn > >>> > > but am anyday > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > open to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > >>> > > com, "Bhaskar" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > >>> > > there is no > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > >>> > seen > >>> > > in Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > >>> > it > >>> > > is better if > >>> > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > can > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > >>> > > works, rather than > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > what is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > >>> > > between > >>> > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > >>> > well, > >>> > > you will > >>> > > > > > > > > > realise > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > is a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > >>> > > Nakshtra level > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > >>> > have > >>> > > forgotten to > >>> > > > > > > > > > use, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > due > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > >>> > predicts > >>> > > education, it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > does > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > >>> > > the D Charts in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > order to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > >>> > > nessessary or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > >>> > > ignore D-chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > Let us > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > >>> > at > >>> > > least 1000 to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > >>> > > ASC window and > >>> > > > > > > > > > may > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > be > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > >>> > > not teach us to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > >>> > > What is the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > >>> > > predict education > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > from > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > >>> > > Chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > >>> > how > >>> > > to calculate > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > . > >>> > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > >>> > > be studied in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > >>> > > also. Basic > >>> > > > > > > > > > fundas > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > are > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > >>> > group > >>> > > are more > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > >>> > > wrong. Everyone > >>> > > > > > > > > > has > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > own > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > >>> > > here. And when it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > >>> > take > >>> > > education, > >>> > > > > > > > > > there > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > >>> > > people born with > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > same > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > >>> > be > >>> > > even more if > >>> > > > > > > > > > we > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > >>> > > someone predicts > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > >>> > to > >>> > > exist. We had > >>> > > > > > > > > > a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > big > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > >>> > > Whatever concept > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > used > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > >>> > what > >>> > > works. Rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > than > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > >>> > > not written in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > >>> > > through a > >>> > > > > > > > > > marriage, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > >>> > > Charts without > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > >>> > > tell me how can > >>> > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > >>> > > MBBS Degree. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > >>> > > born. Its > >>> > > > > > > > > > always > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > >>> > > members here too, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > would > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > >>> > > Chart. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > >>> > > suggested, but > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > >>> > > actually, instead its > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > >>> > > taken to approach > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > >>> > chart > >>> > > for say the > >>> > > > > > > > > > 5th > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > >>> > > what one > >>> > > > > > > > > > observes in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > >>> > > conformed from the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > >>> > Charts > >>> > > can be done in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > >>> > So > >>> > > if you want to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > bring > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > >>> > > going to meet > >>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > >>> > > her Father is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > >>> > > that Girl > >>> > > > > > > > > > (Combine > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > what > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > >>> > > from the D > >>> > > > > > > > > > Chart). > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > >>> > it. > >>> > > Just to add > >>> > > > > > > > > > on to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > >>> > > someone is adept > >>> > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > >>> > > difficult since there > >>> > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > >>> > different > >>> > > factors only > >>> > > > > > > > > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > >>> > > Nobody will find > >>> > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > >>> > have > >>> > > already > >>> > > > > > > > > > exchanged > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > >>> > ago, > >>> > > where I was > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > >>> > rummaged > >>> > > through all > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > >>> > > standing in > >>> > > > > > > > > > support, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > >>> > sides > >>> > > and switch > >>> > > > > > > > > > over to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > >>> > it > >>> > > enjoyable. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > >>> > > for this. You > >>> > > > > > > > > > will > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > >>> > > Line, which I will > >>> > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > say > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > >>> > > astrologers in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > matching > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > >>> > want > >>> > > them to learn > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > >>> > SO > >>> > > my efforts are > >>> > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > help > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > >>> > > connect what has > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > happened > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > >>> > > predicting from the > >>> > > > > > > > > > Natal > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > >>> > > Charts. In fact > >>> > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > >>> > chart > >>> > > in hand or > >>> > > > > > > > > > with no > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > >>> > > to compare KP > >>> > > > > > > > > > sub > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > with > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > >>> > > comparison. I was > >>> > > > > > > > > > saying, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > >>> > > reach the > >>> > > > > > > > > > individual. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > >>> > D-charts, > >>> > > I don't know > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > where > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >>> > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > >>> > properly. > >>> > > Nowhere have > >>> > > > > > > > > > I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > >>> > > through the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > >>> > on > >>> > > same. So I am > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > fully > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > >>> > > statement and normally > >>> > > > > > > > > > do > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > >>> > > anybody to argue or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > point > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > >>> > show > >>> > > me any shloka > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > >>> > > Charts. I have put > >>> > > > > > > > > > up > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > this > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > >>> > > existence of D Charts, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > which I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > >>> > > mail please, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > >>> > > about Tarot > >>> > > > > > > > > > Cards > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > then > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > >>> > > and this will > >>> > > > > > > > > > all > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > >>> > > that just as > >>> > > > > > > > > > people > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > >>> > > same way the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > >>> > this > >>> > > ? I am not. > >>> > > > > > > > > > Who > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > says > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > >>> > the > >>> > > issue about > >>> > > > > > > > > > this. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > >>> > > Charts, but thats a > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > >>> > > planetwith D > >>> > > > > > > > > > Charts > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > and > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > >>> > astrology@ > >>> > > . > >>> > > > > > > > > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > >>> > > divisions. Though > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > there > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > >>> > indications > >>> > > are there in > >>> > > > > > > > > > some > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > >>> > > virtual D-chart or > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > >>> > > individual in the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > >>> > > selecting an option in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > >>> > keyboard > >>> > > but results > >>> > > > > > > > > > are > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > same. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > >>> > > divides whole > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > population > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > >>> > > divides the crowd > >>> > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > >>> > > and sub/ > >>> > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > help > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > >>> > > somone approaches > >>> > > > > > > > > > with > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > >>> > charts, > >>> > > divisions are > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > >>> > > astrology@ . > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > com, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > >>> > > Charts , in books > >>> > > > > > > > > > of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > >>> > > relating the Life > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > events to > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > >>> > > the mention of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > >>> > > Shastra. If any > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > >>> > one > >>> > > of his books, > >>> > > > > > > > > > has > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > >>> > > not to be > >>> > > > > > > > > > considered > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > >>> > > of influence > >>> > > > > > > > > > (Not > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > >>> > > the meaning). > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > >>> > > matter in aspects, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > because > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > >>> > > read the > >>> > > > > > > > > > Divisional > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > >>> > > Divisional Charts. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > >>> > > reads the chart > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > >>> > > predictions. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > >>> > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > >>> > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > >>> > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Neelamji, I have not read Uttarkalamrita , so can't comment. I don't even have the copy of that, if you have the one, please share. Shall come back with examples but don't know when. Research is seen from 2nd by that theory since research is sort of self study. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > It will be nice if you can quote references and examples for what you say. > Uttarkalamrita is a good source to refer for significations. Apart form > that, please feel free to quote the sources/references from where to see > what about education? > One always learns. Will be most grateful. Thank you. > > Regards > Neelam > > > On 15 February 2010 12:12, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > You may please carry on with what you think and are comfortable with and > > ignore this. I have specifically written what I have learnt. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can you then please explain from which house is the research work to be > > > studied? > > > > > > And if the 9th house is not for higher studies, then which house is for > > > higher studies ? > > > > > > regrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ramji, > > > > > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have > > > never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on > > > 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I > > > have learnt. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Ram Jaswal " > > > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" > > > are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would > > > be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes > > > associated with it (?) …… > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 I agree Sureshji, Tks. It is actually 2nd since it is form of self study and then 8th since digging is involved but on deep research part, I am not sure. regds Dev , Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote: > > Dear Dev Ji > Research or Deep Research is indicated by 8th house > suresh awasthi > > --- On Mon, 2/15/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > axeplex <axeplex > Re: SRILANKA > > Monday, February 15, 2010, 5:08 AM > > >  > > > > Ramji, > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@ .> wrote: > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it (?) …… > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Neelamji, Does it matter from where I have learnt? If yes, I can leave participation in this group right now and be mere spectator that I was for past years. (I am an old member of this group by membership date). This is problem with our society, we look for people with big names attached. My understanding on 9th is for Bachelors as well though many people do not consider it including Krishnamurthy ji in KP. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > I do not know your background or from where you've learnt astrology, so > please excuse me if I say something which may not be acceptable to you. No > offences meant please. > > When we say 9H is for higher education, could you please tell me what > exactly is meant by that in astrological trms? I have partly tuched uon the > issue in my mail to Awasth ji. But I would like to understand from you what > is higer education? BA or MA or Medicine. Engineering, Research or a D.Litt? > Where exactly is the line drawn? > > 12H is for ashrams/hospitals/foreign stay, take a person who has 8H dasha > conncted with 12H. How will you differentiate what he could be doing of the > three possibilities? And when is the fourth possibility when he would do > research? I am sure our members would appreciate if you can throw some light > on that. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > On 15 February 2010 10:38, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > > > > > Ramji, > > > > You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never > > come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for > > engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > > > > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" are you > > suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > > > > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would be Rahu > > as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it > > (?) …… > > > > > > Thanks and regards ….. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2010 Devi ji, Thanks for your concern. I shall surely share my details and would like to avail an opportunity to be analysed by many learned people but not now. Sorry for this but there are some personal issues going on. regds Dev , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear Dev JI, > > Please do not mind...then i must want to see your chart...please provide > your details if do not mind?? > > --i like person who are logical > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > axeplex wrote: > > > > > > No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the > > most famous name that came in to my mind. > > > > In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse > > logically) > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > <%40> > > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > >  > > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does > > not indicate what native attained. > > > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall > > experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says > > it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your > > analysis. > > > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is > > seen > > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was > > very > > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you > > would not > > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and > > experienced Guru > > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the > > study and > > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her > > and her > > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th > > house > > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > > > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This > > is new > > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would > > experiment > > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that > > is also > > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " siva " > > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala > > Purusha's 4th > > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > > > can > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the > > Natal > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > > > even one > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > > > of the > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > astrology.. So > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > > utterly no > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. > > It just > > > > needs > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate > > it with > > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > > always to > > > > show > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is > > there, > > > > but > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > > > There > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. > > Show > > > > me one > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > > future > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > > > failure > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > > > failures > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > > > or > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > > studies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well > > but all > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > > > with > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > > follow 4th > > > > and > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > > > 4th and > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > > > the > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence > > is not > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > > results from > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well > > thanks > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter > > period. > > > > Hope > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing > > Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and > > 5th is > > > > for > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > > > till > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, > > other > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and > > that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is > > it not > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > > connected > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > > education > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and > > eighth > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > > > running > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your > > name, it > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > > from > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > linked > > > > with > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, > > then i > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > continuous > > > > till > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, then > > > > i > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > > > is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > > should be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > > having no > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > > starts > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > > written in > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > Saturn is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From > > Moon > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance > > dasha > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to > > follow > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > education. > > > > All > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > > connection > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > sign, Mars > > > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > > education, but > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > > will be > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > > sign > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he > > could > > > > also > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > > some > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > > some > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > > technical > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write > > a long > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already > > has its > > > > own > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > previous > > > > mail. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary > > details > > > > so > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > > middle of > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > > understand what > > > > I > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > > event > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > > notice it, > > > > or it > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > > necessity of > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > > through KP, > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > > > out the > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > > > work > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not > > mean > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > > > any > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > > already know > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions > > through > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > > > that we > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > > > dish > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃfÆ'Ã+'ÃfâEUR 'ÃfÆ'Ã,¢Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ÃfâEUR¦Ã,¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > > finding the > > > > matter > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃfÆ'Ã+'ÃfâEUR 'ÃfÆ'Ã,¢Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ÃfâEUR¦Ã,¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > > definitely > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it > > may be > > > > even > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > > though I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest > > " Factors > > > > for > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > > normal > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > > Group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > > traditional and > > > > also > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > > > you in > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using > > the D > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > > through the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please > > now put > > > > on > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > > Examples even > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > > > the > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there > > is no > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > > > what is > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > In > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look > > into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > > already > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > > learn from > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > divisions > > > > and > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can > > divide > > > > the > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > > would > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > > confirm what > > > > is > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. In > > > > fact > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > > what > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > > study > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > > > uses > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved in > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if > > someone > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > > necessary to > > > > study > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact > > it is > > > > not > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, > > one can > > > > not > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > > group of > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > > > in the > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > > also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > > astrology does > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > > > window. > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha > > meant > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from > > the D > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > illustration > > > > on > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and > > D-charts > > > > shall > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > > > the > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > > logical > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. Let > > > > us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least > > 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > > > and may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > Amsas, it > > > > has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few > > days > > > > back. > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > > consider > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > Shastras. > > > > KP is > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > > > going > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become > > adept > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > > > Please > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > > passing the > > > > normal > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > > children is > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > > sure all > > > > the > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of > > approach > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > > which one > > > > has > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > > > be > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of > > the D > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > > Father. > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > > > and are > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > > > see how > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry > > your son > > > > with > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > > searching > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > > true. If > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is > > not that > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > > Charts. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > > > years > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this > > process > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > > > am not > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to > > > > change > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > match...This > > > > makes > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > > searching > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > > book and > > > > one > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D > > Charts. > > > > I > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > > advance. > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for > > them > > > > to > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > > from the > > > > other > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > > birth > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I > > am not > > > > saying > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small > > group > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > > have gone > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > > comments > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > > make any > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > > > for > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > > > you > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen > > in the > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not > > abour > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in > > KP in > > > > every > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > > > talking > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or > > Crystal > > > > balls > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > trying to > > > > say > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > > negating > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > > wheres > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP > > Subs and > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > antras of > > > > every > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > > talk of > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses > > Amsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > identifying an > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > > e.g. for > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > > > that > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > > > which > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, > > virtual > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > > > when > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for > > blind > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > postmartem > > > > of > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > > > and > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will > > never > > > > find > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > Charts, in > > > > any > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV > > raman > > > > in > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > > etc. are > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > > just the > > > > points > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not > > many who > > > > can > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > > aspects in > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > > > if one > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > > correct > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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