Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 dear sri sunil nairji, thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna depending on the age of the native. coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I am a contented person in life. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic needs in life. I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time. good wishes, k.gopu--- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >To: "ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran, Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me. A.V.Pathi, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Dear Suni Ji, I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some "strangeness" in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are "powerful", we can also see they "appear closer to Earth" and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: "A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years". I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this "modified balarishta" effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. Regards, -Manoj sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue....> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Gopu Ji, Are you sure it is not because of other factors like being poorly placed in the Varga charts. That will modify the results. If a planet is auspicious in the Rashi chart, but poorly placed in the Varga chart, that domain will not fructify as expected. Also one more point to check would be the Ava yogi planet in your chart. If the Ava Yogi planet is Jupiter or aspected by Jupiter, the wealth will not fructify. Just a few thoughts. I agree that Retro planet gives "unexpected" results but I believe it will not necessarily give bad results. I am going through Venus Dasha - Jupiter Antar right now (vimshottari). Scorpio Lagna, Jupiter in 12H. In my case my earnings have gone up significantly but my expenses have also gone up (due to Jupiter being in 12H, expenses regarding medical for my son). I am pleased since I have more money to spend on my son but no more money on hand (but that is due to 12H effect). But in my chart, Jupiter is also the Duplicate Yogi as per Seshadri Iyer principles and hence is bound to bring more money. Thank you for your valuable inputs. It is nice to look at different angles. Regards, -Manoj K Gopu <kgopu_24 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:23:28 AMRe: Re: Retrograde planet dear sri sunil nairji, thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna depending on the age of the native. coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I am a contented person in life.. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic needs in life. I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time. good wishes, k.gopu--- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planetancient_indian_ astrologySunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue....> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >To: "ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Mr Manoj Chandran, The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available: "NEECHARIMOTYOPAGATHE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADHIPYUKTHADRUSHTEY I SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE II This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive. This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'. I will be greatly thankful to you. Sorry for trouble. Regards. A.V.Pathi, Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, venkatachala pathi <pathiav Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran, Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me. A.V.Pathi, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Dear Suni Ji, I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some "strangeness" in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are "powerful", we can also see they "appear closer to Earth" and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: "A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years". I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this "modified balarishta" effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. Regards, -Manoj sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue....> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Respected Pathi Ji, When an experienced astrologer like you asks me a question, it makes me very nervous . I am an enthusiastic student at best. . You ask a very interesting question. My guess would be one has to analyze all the postive and negative factors. Possibly Jupiter's aspect would be critical. Let me look at the example at hand. We can see that in the Rashi chart, neither Sa nor Ke are aspected by Jupiter. Ketu's dispositor Mars is in 12H and still no Jupiter aspect. Now in the D-7, Ketu does get the aspect of Jupiter, however Ketu's debilitated dispositor Me does not. Let me look at possible transits at that time. The event occured in 2005 probably. In 2005 until June 2005 Ju is in Virgo, Sa is in Gemini and Rahu is in Pisces. May 26, Sa moved to Cancer. Sep 28, Jupiter moved to Libra. During the whole time Rahu was still transiting Pisces. So we can see that since Pisces is the 5H of the Lagna as well as the house that hosts Me (dispositor of Ke in D-7), Till late Sep, Jupiter transiting Virgo, was aspecting 5H (Pisces). However Rahu is also transiting Pisces at this time. Until June, Sa in Gemini and Ju in Virgo have double transit aspect on Pisces. This may have helped the conception. But in July Sa moves in to Cancer, in Late Sep, Jupiter moves to Libra, leaving Rahu alone transiting Pisces. Due to the overall weakness of Ke antar, my guess is once Jupiter's aspect and the Ju/Sa double aspect was removed, with Rahu also transiting Pisces, the promise brought by transit was not sustainaible due to inherent weakness of this antar in the Natal chart (both D-1 and D-7). That is my novice attempt. Please feel free to critique. It may also help if Dr.Kumar gave feed back on the exact dates so transit info can be accurate. Regards, -Manoj venkatachala pathi <pathiav Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:32:36 AMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran, Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me. A.V.Pathi, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet Dear Suni Ji, I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some "strangeness" in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are "powerful", we can also see they "appear closer to Earth" and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: "A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years". I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this "modified balarishta" effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. Regards, -Manoj sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue.....> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Respected Pathi Ji, Sorry I am not able to quote from any classics on miscarriage. I am only able to analyze logically as best as I could. May be some of the other learned members could quote from classics. Regards, -Manoj venkatachala pathi <pathiav Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:15:27 AMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Dear Mr Manoj Chandran, The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available: "NEECHARIMOTYOPAGAT HE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADH IPYUKTHADRUSHTEY I SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE II This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive. This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'. I will be greatly thankful to you. Sorry for trouble. Regards. A.V.Pathi, Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, venkatachala pathi <pathiav >ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran, Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me. A.V.Pathi, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet Dear Suni Ji, I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some "strangeness" in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are "powerful", we can also see they "appear closer to Earth" and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: "A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years". I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this "modified balarishta" effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. Regards, -Manoj sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue.....> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Respected Pathi ji,Thanks for raising a very pertinent query. You are right that many texts just talk about issuelessness /loss of children only.We only draw indirect conclusions and afflictions are taken for miscarriages etc., specially when planets like mars, ketu are afflicting However, Jatak Tatwa is quite vocal on this issue. Some Shlokas, think from 100-110, in Panchama Viveka specifically deal with abortions.Chamatkar Chintamani says that native's wife will suffer from abortions if mars is in 5H. There are some more references which I am not able to give straightaway, but can be culled out. Of curse, BPHS does not mention anything about abortions.Hope this would be useful.RegardsNeelam 2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj>> >> Dear Respected Pathi Ji,> > Sorry I am not able to quote from any classics on miscarriage. I am only able to analyze logically as best as I could. May be some of the other learned members could quote from classics. > >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ________________________________> venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:15:27 AM> Re: Re: Retrograde planet >> >> Dear Mr Manoj Chandran,> > The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available: > > " NEECHARIMOTYOPAGAT HE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADH IPYUKTHADRUSHTEY I> SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE II> > This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive. >> >> This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'. I will be greatly thankful to you. >> >> Sorry for trouble. Regards.>> > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham,> Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, >> ________________________________> venkatachala pathi <pathiav >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet >> Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran,> > Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me. > > A.V.Pathi, > > ________________________________> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> Dear Suni Ji,> > I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some " strangeness " in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. > > I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are " powerful " , we can also see they " appear closer to Earth " and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: > > " A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years " .> > I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this " modified balarishta " effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. > >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ________________________________> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> dear gopu ji> > Thanks for ur messages>> For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules>> one such rules is aspect of jup>> also there is life period where each lagna become more activ >> so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that>> if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) >> Hope i am clear here>> as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) >> otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations )> > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s >> but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations , >> but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) >> rgrds sunil nair>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and > > not as I mentioned.> > thanks,> > regards,> > k.gopu> >> >> >> > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM > >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Gopu ji,> >> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.// > >> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun.> >> > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H. > >> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. > > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter> > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got > > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> >> >  > >> >> >> > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> >> >> >> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Kumarji> >> > Thanks for ur post> >> > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > >> > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > >> > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio )> >> > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences . > >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me) > > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue..... > >> > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on...... > > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > >> > >> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ . > >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM > > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj Ji, > >> > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Anoop.> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com> > >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. > > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Hi All,> >> > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> >> > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. > >> > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. > >> > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. > > >  > > > Pl do reply> >> > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > >> > >> > >> > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > > > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > >> > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. > > >  > > > Here is another:> >> > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam > > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> >> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. > >> > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >> > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > > > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). > >> > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. > >> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >> >> > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > >> > >> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > >> > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > >> > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become  " nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > >> > >> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > >> > >> > >> > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > >> > >> > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> > > > > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj > >> > > > > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > >> >>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Manoj ji,To judge the possibility of abortions:First the natal promise, through yogas and weakness of 5H. Then the houses which can cause abortion will be 10,12 and 4. They are 6/8/12 from 5H.In the dasha antar of these houses wthin the dasha realted to 5H, any PAC relation and malefic lords of these houses, aspecting and in transit could harm the pregnancy when 5H is weak. 10H is often our karma/profession/work etc gone wrong which may lead to efforts in hospitalisation (12H) and termination in 4H.Hope this helpsRegardsNeelam 2009/7/26 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Respected Pathi ji,Thanks for raising a very pertinent query. You are right that many texts just talk about issuelessness /loss of children only.We only draw indirect conclusions and afflictions are taken for miscarriages etc., specially when planets like mars, ketu are afflicting However, Jatak Tatwa is quite vocal on this issue. Some Shlokas, think from 100-110, in Panchama Viveka specifically deal with abortions.Chamatkar Chintamani says that native's wife will suffer from abortions if mars is in 5H. There are some more references which I am not able to give straightaway, but can be culled out. Of curse, BPHS does not mention anything about abortions.Hope this would be useful.RegardsNeelam 2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj>> >> Dear Respected Pathi Ji, > > Sorry I am not able to quote from any classics on miscarriage. I am only able to analyze logically as best as I could. May be some of the other learned members could quote from classics. > >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ________________________________> venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:15:27 AM> Re: Re: Retrograde planet >> >> Dear Mr Manoj Chandran,> > The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available: > > " NEECHARIMOTYOPAGAT HE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADH IPYUKTHADRUSHTEY I> SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE II> > This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive. >> >> This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'. I will be greatly thankful to you. >> >> Sorry for trouble. Regards.>> > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham,> Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, >> ________________________________> venkatachala pathi <pathiav >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet >> Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran,> > Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me. > > A.V.Pathi, > > ________________________________> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> Dear Suni Ji,> > I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some " strangeness " in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. > > I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are " powerful " , we can also see they " appear closer to Earth " and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: > > " A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years " .> > I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this " modified balarishta " effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. > >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ________________________________> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> dear gopu ji > > Thanks for ur messages>> For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules>> one such rules is aspect of jup>> also there is life period where each lagna become more activ >> so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that>> if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) >> Hope i am clear here>> as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) >> otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations )> > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s >> but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations , >> but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) >> rgrds sunil nair>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and > > not as I mentioned.> > thanks,> > regards,> > k.gopu> >> >> >> > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM > >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Gopu ji,> >> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.// > >> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun.> >> > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H. > >> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. > > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter> > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got > > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> >> >  > >> >> >> > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> >> >> >> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Kumarji> >> > Thanks for ur post> >> > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > >> > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > >> > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio )> >> > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences . > >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me) > > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue..... > >> > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on...... > > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > >> > >> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ . > >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM > > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj Ji, > >> > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Anoop.> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com> > >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. > > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Hi All,> >> > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> >> > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. > >> > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. > >> > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. > > >  > > > Pl do reply> >> > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > >> > >> > >> > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > > > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > >> > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. > > >  > > > Here is another:> >> > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam > > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> >> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. > >> > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >> > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > > > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). > >> > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. > >> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >> >> > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > >> > >> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > >> > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > >> > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become  " nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > >> > >> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > >> > >> > >> > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > >> > >> > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> > > > > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj > >> > > > > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > >> >>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, Thank you for being our live person Google search on astrology classics reference . I reproduce some of those verses for those who dont have a copy of Jataka Tattwa handy. This is from S.S.Sareen version. 104: If Sun and Saturn are in the 1st and 7th houses, respectively or both are in the 7th and the 10th house is aspected by Jupiter, the conception will abort. 105. Saturn and Mars in the 6H or 4H are responsible for abortion. 107. If the 5H or 5L be hemmed between malefics and the Karaka of that house is associated with a malefic, abortion should be predicted. 108. If the lords of the Navamsas occupied by the owners of the 7H, 9H and 5H are in malefic Amsas or associated with Malefics, there shall be loss of children. 109. If the lord of the 5H is in a malefic Amsa or a Fall, or eclipsed or aspected by a malefic, abortions are sure. 110. If the lord of the 5H is associated with or aspected by the Lord of the decanate occupied by the owner of the Navamsa in which the 12L is positied, loss of children is certain. Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:59:24 AMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Respected Pathi ji,Thanks for raising a very pertinent query. You are right that many texts just talk about issuelessness /loss of children only.We only draw indirect conclusions and afflictions are taken for miscarriages etc., specially when planets like mars, ketu are afflictingHowever, Jatak Tatwa is quite vocal on this issue. Some Shlokas, think from 100-110, in Panchama Viveka specifically deal with abortions.Chamatkar Chintamani says that native's wife will suffer from abortions if mars is in 5H.There are some more references which I am not able to give straightaway, but can be culled out. Of curse, BPHS does not mention anything about abortions.Hope this would be useful.RegardsNeelam2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >>> >> Dear Respected Pathi Ji,> > Sorry I am not able to quote from any classics on miscarriage. I am only able to analyze logically as best as I could. May be some of the other learned members could quote from classics.> >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> venkatachala pathi <pathiav >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:15:27 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> Dear Mr Manoj Chandran,> > The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available:> > "NEECHARIMOTYOPAGAT HE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADH IPYUKTHADRUSHTEY I> SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE II> > This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive.>> >> This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'. I will be greatly thankful to you.>> >> Sorry for trouble. Regards.>> > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,> Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,>> ____________ _________ _________ __> venkatachala pathi <pathiav >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran,> > Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me.> > A.V.Pathi, > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> Dear Suni Ji,> > I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some "strangeness" in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions.. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter..> > I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are "powerful", we can also see they "appear closer to Earth" and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari:> > "A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years".> > I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this "modified balarishta" effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari.> >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> dear gopu ji>> Thanks for ur messages>> For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules>> one such rules is aspect of jup>> also there is life period where each lagna become more activ>> so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that>> if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs )>> Hope i am clear here>> as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga )>> otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations )>> here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s>> but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,>> but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints )>> rgrds sunil nair>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> > not as I mentioned.> > thanks,> > regards,> > k.gopu> >> >> >> > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Gopu ji,> >> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> >> > I think there is some problem here.. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun.> >> > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> >> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter> > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am> > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> >> >  > >> >> >> >> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> >> >> >> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Kumarji> >> > Thanks for ur post> >> > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart> >> > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt)> >> > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio )> >> > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > >> >> > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue.....> >> > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > >> > >> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj Ji,> >> > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> > >  > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Anoop.> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com>> >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi All,> >> > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> >> > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> >> > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> >> > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> > >  > > > Pl do reply> >> > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > >> > >> > >> > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > >> > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> > >  > > > Here is another:> >> > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> >> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> >> > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >> > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> >> > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> >> > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> >> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >> >> > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > >> > >> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > >> > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > >> > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> >> > >> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > >> > >> > >> > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> >> > >> > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> > > >> > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj> >> > > > > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> > >> >>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Another chart with retrograde Jupiter but in 3rd house. Anyone interested in this chart can discuss with me. Incidentally the person is running the Dasa of Jupiter.Regards,Bipul On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Nandana astro <nandanaastro wrote: Namaskara sir Thanks for sharing ur chart in group Let me share a chart i know of the same year - same lagana so must be more interesting for you as you are studying astrology - ie the only reason for sharing also. I understand the key difference from the chart is the 9th house and 8th house. Before that a few points for your spirituality from your chat - Saturn is ur atmakarak and in in 9th house Ketu and Venus are in mutal kendras all this give u the strength and power to take up strong sadana or in profession research. . Troubles after birth must be due to Rahu in 12th - with lagna lord there - yes jupiters aspect is the biggest saving grace with vagottama moon which keep u happy internaly - ie a mind which helps u to come out of all odds I believe ur married life must be good thou venus is with Mars and Rahu - in navamsha it is with Jupiter in meena - other than a few arguments noting serious i believe - Can u plz clarfy? if you can asking from curiousity Now coming to the chart Rajeev Date of birth is 10 July 1976 time of birth is 3.15 pmPlace of birth is Ernakulam Kerala The native is yet to be married - arranged marriage - did not even thing of love marriage. Have not gone out of the state he is born - Completed the graduation - now trying to get MBA Would like to know your opinion - if u feel to Regards Nandana 2009/7/24 viswa sai < -- Bipul Pathak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Manoj ji,Thanks, that was quick!You see in Dr. Kumar's chart, 10H is leo and saturn in Leo would afflict 10,12 and 4 and 7.If 5H is weak and dasha's are supportive, this transit of saturn could cause abortion, for scorpio lagna. RegardsNeelam2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Dear Neelam Ji, Thank you for being our live person Google search on astrology classics reference . I reproduce some of those verses for those who dont have a copy of Jataka Tattwa handy. This is from S.S.Sareen version. 104: If Sun and Saturn are in the 1st and 7th houses, respectively or both are in the 7th and the 10th house is aspected by Jupiter, the conception will abort. 105. Saturn and Mars in the 6H or 4H are responsible for abortion. 107. If the 5H or 5L be hemmed between malefics and the Karaka of that house is associated with a malefic, abortion should be predicted. 108. If the lords of the Navamsas occupied by the owners of the 7H, 9H and 5H are in malefic Amsas or associated with Malefics, there shall be loss of children. 109. If the lord of the 5H is in a malefic Amsa or a Fall, or eclipsed or aspected by a malefic, abortions are sure. 110. If the lord of the 5H is associated with or aspected by the Lord of the decanate occupied by the owner of the Navamsa in which the 12L is positied, loss of children is certain. Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:59:24 AMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Respected Pathi ji,Thanks for raising a very pertinent query. You are right that many texts just talk about issuelessness /loss of children only.We only draw indirect conclusions and afflictions are taken for miscarriages etc., specially when planets like mars, ketu are afflicting However, Jatak Tatwa is quite vocal on this issue. Some Shlokas, think from 100-110, in Panchama Viveka specifically deal with abortions.Chamatkar Chintamani says that native's wife will suffer from abortions if mars is in 5H. There are some more references which I am not able to give straightaway, but can be culled out. Of curse, BPHS does not mention anything about abortions.Hope this would be useful.RegardsNeelam 2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >>> >> Dear Respected Pathi Ji,> > Sorry I am not able to quote from any classics on miscarriage. I am only able to analyze logically as best as I could. May be some of the other learned members could quote from classics. > >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:15:27 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet >> >> Dear Mr Manoj Chandran,> > The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available:> > " NEECHARIMOTYOPAGAT HE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADH IPYUKTHADRUSHTEY I > SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE II> > This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive. >> >> This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'. I will be greatly thankful to you.>> >> Sorry for trouble. Regards.>> > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,> Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,>> ____________ _________ _________ __> venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran,> > Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me.> > A.V.Pathi, > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> Dear Suni Ji, > > I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some " strangeness " in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions.. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. > > I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are " powerful " , we can also see they " appear closer to Earth " and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: > > " A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years " .> > I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this " modified balarishta " effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. > >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> dear gopu ji> > Thanks for ur messages>> For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules>> one such rules is aspect of jup>> also there is life period where each lagna become more activ >> so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that>> if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) >> Hope i am clear here>> as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga )>> otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) >> here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s >> but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,>> but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) >> rgrds sunil nair>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and > > not as I mentioned.> > thanks,> > regards,> > k.gopu> >> >> >> > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Gopu ji,> >> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.// > >> > I think there is some problem here.. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun.> >> > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H. > >> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. > > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter> > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got > > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> >> >  > >> >> >> >> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: > >> >> >> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Kumarji> > > > Thanks for ur post> >> > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart> >> > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > >> > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio )> >> > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences . > >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > >> >> > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely. > > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me) > > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue.....> >> > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus. > > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote: > > >> > >> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj Ji,> >> > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. > > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet. > > >  > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Anoop.> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com>> >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >> > > > > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. > > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi All,> >> > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. > >> > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> >> > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. > >> > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. > > >  > > > Pl do reply> >> > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > >> > >> > >> > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > > > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " .> > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > >> > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. > > >  > > > Here is another:> >> > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam > > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> >> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. > >> > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >> > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> >> > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). > >> > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> >> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >> >> > >  > > > Dear Friends, > > >> > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > >> > >> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > >> > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become  " nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > >> > >> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > >> > >> > >> > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > >> > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > >> > >> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> > > >> > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj > >> > > > > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > >> >>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Another chart with retrograde Jupiter but in 3rd house. Anyone interested in this chart can discuss with me. Incidentally the person is running the Dasa of Jupiter.23 feb 1969 16: 02 hrs Ludhiana India Regards,BipulOn Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Nandana astro <nandanaastro wrote: Namaskara sir Thanks for sharing ur chart in group Let me share a chart i know of the same year - same lagana so must be more interesting for you as you are studying astrology - ie the only reason for sharing also. I understand the key difference from the chart is the 9th house and 8th house. Before that a few points for your spirituality from your chat - Saturn is ur atmakarak and in in 9th house Ketu and Venus are in mutal kendras all this give u the strength and power to take up strong sadana or in profession research. . Troubles after birth must be due to Rahu in 12th - with lagna lord there - yes jupiters aspect is the biggest saving grace with vagottama moon which keep u happy internaly - ie a mind which helps u to come out of all odds I believe ur married life must be good thou venus is with Mars and Rahu - in navamsha it is with Jupiter in meena - other than a few arguments noting serious i believe - Can u plz clarfy? if you can asking from curiousity Now coming to the chart Rajeev Date of birth is 10 July 1976 time of birth is 3.15 pmPlace of birth is Ernakulam Kerala The native is yet to be married - arranged marriage - did not even thing of love marriage. Have not gone out of the state he is born - Completed the graduation - now trying to get MBA Would like to know your opinion - if u feel to Regards Nandana 2009/7/24 viswa sai < -- Bipul Pathak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Hi Neelamji Good discussions on retrograde planet. Some correction: Saturn in Cancer (9th H) not in Leo (10thH) Sure I will send the clear comments on the transit (during Jun, 2005) so that we could match with the horoscope. Right now I am in hurry in planning to go USA. I have a some other charts of my friends, they have more retrograde planets..... Let me check with them Can I share with the group. That might provide us new info on this. NeelamJi, are you into Genetics..... , on which area you are working........., Thank you all Kumar --- On Sun, 7/26/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Retrograde planet Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:41 AM Dear Manoj ji,Thanks, that was quick!You see in Dr. Kumar's chart, 10H is leo and saturn in Leo would afflict 10,12 and 4 and 7.If 5H is weak and dasha's are supportive, this transit of saturn could cause abortion, for scorpio lagna.RegardsNeelam 2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Dear Neelam Ji, Thank you for being our live person Google search on astrology classics reference . I reproduce some of those verses for those who dont have a copy of Jataka Tattwa handy. This is from S.S.Sareen version. 104: If Sun and Saturn are in the 1st and 7th houses, respectively or both are in the 7th and the 10th house is aspected by Jupiter, the conception will abort. 105. Saturn and Mars in the 6H or 4H are responsible for abortion. 107. If the 5H or 5L be hemmed between malefics and the Karaka of that house is associated with a malefic, abortion should be predicted. 108. If the lords of the Navamsas occupied by the owners of the 7H, 9H and 5H are in malefic Amsas or associated with Malefics, there shall be loss of children. 109. If the lord of the 5H is in a malefic Amsa or a Fall, or eclipsed or aspected by a malefic, abortions are sure. 110. If the lord of the 5H is associated with or aspected by the Lord of the decanate occupied by the owner of the Navamsa in which the 12L is positied, loss of children is certain. Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, July 26, 2009 6:59:24 AM Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet Respected Pathi ji,Thanks for raising a very pertinent query. You are right that many texts just talk about issuelessness /loss of children only.We only draw indirect conclusions and afflictions are taken for miscarriages etc., specially when planets like mars, ketu are afflictingHowever, Jatak Tatwa is quite vocal on this issue. Some Shlokas, think from 100-110, in Panchama Viveka specifically deal with abortions.Chamatkar Chintamani says that native's wife will suffer from abortions if mars is in 5H.There are some more references which I am not able to give straightaway, but can be culled out. Of curse, BPHS does not mention anything about abortions.Hope this would be useful.RegardsNeelam2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >>> >> Dear Respected Pathi Ji,> > Sorry I am not able to quote from any classics on miscarriage. I am only able to analyze logically as best as I could. May be some of the other learned members could quote from classics.> >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> venkatachala pathi <pathiav >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:15:27 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> Dear Mr Manoj Chandran,> > The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available:> > "NEECHARIMOTYOPAGAT HE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADH IPYUKTHADRUSHTEY I> SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE II> > This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive.>> >> This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'. I will be greatly thankful to you.>> >> Sorry for trouble. Regards.>> > A.V.Pathi, > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,> Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,>> ____________ _________ _________ __> venkatachala pathi <pathiav >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran,> > Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me.> > A.V.Pathi, > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> Dear Suni Ji,> > I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some "strangeness" in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions.. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter..> > I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are "powerful", we can also see they "appear closer to Earth" and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari:> > "A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years".> > I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this "modified balarishta" effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari.> >> Regards,>> -Manoj>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet>> >> dear gopu ji>> Thanks for ur messages>> For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules>> one such rules is aspect of jup>> also there is life period where each lagna become more activ>> so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that>> if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs )>> Hope i am clear here>> as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga )>> otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations )>> here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s>> but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,>> but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints )>> rgrds sunil nair>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> > not as I mentioned.> > thanks,> > regards,> > k.gopu> >> >> >> > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Gopu ji,> >> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> >> > I think there is some problem here.. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun.> >> > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> >> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter> > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am> > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> >> >  > >> >> >> >> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> >> >> >> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Kumarji> >> > Thanks for ur post> >> > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart> >> > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt)> >> > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio )> >> > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > >> >> > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue.....> >> > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > >> > >> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj Ji,> >> > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> > >  > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Anoop.> >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com>> >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi All,> >> > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> >> > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> >> > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> >> > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> > >  > > > Pl do reply> >> > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > >> > >> > >> > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > >> > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> > >  > > > Here is another:> >> > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> >> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> >> > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >> > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> >> > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> >> > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> >> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >> >> > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > >> > >> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > >> > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > >> > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> >> > >> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > >> > >> > >> > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> >> > >> > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> > > >> > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj> >> > > > > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> > >> >>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Deepak ji,Kindly share your own opinion and judgment about this placement, if you are an astrologer yourself. This would start the discussion.RegardsNeelam2009/7/26 Deepak Sood <deepak_26874 Dear learned members, I have retrograde ju in 5th house. What are its implications? MY details are: 26-08-1974, 11Am, Delhi. I wish to inquire about my job or business prospects as well? Best regards Deepak Moderator's Note: May be discussed as relevant to Retrograde planet in 5H. NO predictions to be given as a policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Dr.Kumar, Neelam Ji was referring to " Transit " of Saturn in Leo not natal saturn in Leo. I think she was pointing out how transit saturn in Leo could affect all the important houses in this spcific instant. We look forward to your transit info on the event. Regards, -Manoj , viswa sai <avadhutasai wrote: > > Hi Neelamji >  > Good discussions on retrograde planet. >  > Some correction: Saturn in Cancer (9th H) not in Leo (10thH) >  > Sure I will send the clear comments on the transit (during Jun, 2005) so that we could match with the horoscope. Right now I am in hurry in planning to go USA. >  > I have a some other charts of my friends, they have more retrograde planets..... Let me check with them Can I share with the group. That might provide us new info on this. >  > NeelamJi, are you into Genetics..... , on which area you are working........., >  > Thank you all >  > Kumar >  >  >  > > > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Retrograde planet > > Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:41 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Thanks, that was quick! > > You see in Dr. Kumar's chart, 10H is leo and saturn in Leo would afflict 10,12 and 4 and 7. > If 5H is weak and dasha's are supportive, this transit of saturn could cause abortion, for scorpio lagna. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > >  Dear Neelam Ji, >  > Thank you for being our live person Google search on astrology classics reference . >  > I reproduce some of those verses for those who dont have a copy of Jataka Tattwa handy. This is from S.S.Sareen version. >  > 104: If Sun and Saturn are in the 1st and 7th houses, respectively or both are in the 7th and the 10th house is aspected by Jupiter, the conception will abort. >  > 105. Saturn and Mars in the 6H or 4H are responsible for abortion. >  > 107. If the 5H or 5L be hemmed between malefics and the Karaka of that house is associated with a malefic, abortion should be predicted. >  > 108. If the lords of the Navamsas occupied by the owners of the 7H, 9H and 5H are in malefic Amsas or associated with Malefics, there shall be loss of children. >  > 109. If the lord of the 5H is in a malefic Amsa or a Fall, or eclipsed or aspected by a malefic, abortions are sure. >  > 110. If the lord of the 5H is associated with or aspected by the Lord of the decanate occupied by the owner of the Navamsa in which the 12L is positied, loss of children is certain. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:59:24 AM > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > > >  > > Respected Pathi ji, > > Thanks for raising a very pertinent query. You are right that many texts just talk about issuelessness /loss of children only. > We only draw indirect conclusions and afflictions are taken for miscarriages etc., specially when planets like mars, ketu are afflicting > > However, Jatak Tatwa is quite vocal on this issue. Some Shlokas, think from 100-110, in Panchama Viveka specifically deal with abortions. > Chamatkar Chintamani says that native's wife will suffer from abortions if mars is in 5H. > > There are some more references which I am not able to give straightaway, but can be culled out. Of curse, BPHS does not mention anything about abortions. > > Hope this would be useful. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/26 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > >  > > > > Dear Respected Pathi Ji, > >  > > Sorry I am not able to quote from any classics on miscarriage. I am only able to analyze logically as best as I could. May be some of the other learned members could quote from classics. > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:15:27 AM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > >  > > > > Dear Mr Manoj Chandran, > >  > > The only detailed Planetary ananlysis on 'child birth' is available in 'SANTHANA DEEPIKA'. There, in sloka 13, the following is made available: > >  > > " NEECHARIMOTYOPAGAT HE SUTHESE RIFFAARIRANDHRAAADH IPYUKTHADRUSHTEY        I > > SUTHASYA NAASA : KATHITHOTHRA LAGNE SUBHAUDRUSHTE SUTHABE SUTHEYSE             II > >  > > This means: If 5th Bhavathi pathi is in a melific rasi or in the house of an enemy (permanant or temprory), or if it is 'silenced' in cumbustion with Sun, or positioned in association with 6, 8 or 12th Bhava or in aspect from any of them, or if Benific is not to aspect Lagna or Lord of the 5th Bhava or Puthra Karka, children born to that person will not survive. > > > >  > > > > This is the 'nearest' explanation I have. That is the reason I request your help, where exactly I can find details on 'mis-carriage'.  I will be greatly thankful to you. > > > >  > > > > Sorry for trouble.  Regards. > > > >  > > A.V.Pathi,  > > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:32:36 PM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > > Dear Mr. Manoj Chandran, > >  > > Is mis-carriage and Child birth is treated same in analysis of a chart? Where is the distinction between the two could be arrived at? Any reference could be sited to help me? I am sorry to trouble you. Please help me. > >  > > A.V.Pathi,  > >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:11:05 PM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > >  > > > > Dear Suni Ji, > >  > > I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some " strangeness " in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions.. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriag e seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. > >  > > I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are " powerful " , we can also see they " appear closer to Earth " and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: > >  > > " A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years " . > >  > > I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this " modified balarishta " effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > >  > > > > dear gopu ji > > > > Thanks for ur messages > > > > For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules > > > > one such rules is aspect of jup > > > > also there is life period where each lagna become more activ > > > > so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that > > > > if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) > > > > Hope i am clear here > > > > as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) > > > > otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) > > > > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s > > > > but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations , > > > > but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Neelamji, > > > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and > > > not as I mentioned. > > > thanks, > > > regards, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji, > > > > > > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.// > > > > > > I think there is some problem here.. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > > > > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities. > > > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H. > > > > > > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji, > > > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. > > > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna. > > > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > > > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got > > > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon > > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good > > > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart. > > >  > > > good wishes, > > > k.gopu > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji > > > > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > > > > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > > > > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > > > > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences . > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > >  > > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely. > > > >  > > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House. > > > >  > > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement. > > > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me) > > > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord) > > > >  > > > > Any more observation, pl let me know > > > >  > > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue..... > > > > > > >  > > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus. > > > >  > > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on...... > > > >  > > > > Regards > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ . > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, > > > > > > >  > > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. > > > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > > > > found this as bad placement for one's child. > > > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet. > > > >  > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ..com> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar, > > > >  > > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com > > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > >  > > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. > > > > > > >  > > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. > > > > > > >  > > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. > > > > > > >  > > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. > > > >  > > > > Pl do reply > > > > > > >  > > > > Thanks > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswasai > > > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > > > > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. > > > >  > > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. > > > >  > > > > Here is another: > > > > > > >  > > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, > > > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam > > > >  > > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > > > > > > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. > > > > > > >  > > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: > > > > > > >  > > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal > > > > > > >  > > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). > > > > > > >  > > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz > > > >  > > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. > > > > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839 > > > > > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > > > > > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å " nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >         ÂÂÂ\         ÂÂ\  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ÂÃ\ ‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â\  Â Â Â Â Â Â - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > > > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends, > > > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > > > > > > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that > > > > > > > > > > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > > > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > > > > > > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma.. !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 dear nandana ji here is ur messge ,Thanks for posting the same ,can u say how astrologicaly both charts will become same effects ??> > Rajeev> > Date of birth is 10 July 1976> time of birth is 3.15 pm> Place of birth is Ernakulam Kerala> > > The native is yet to be married - arranged marriage - did not even thing> of love marriage.> Have not gone out of the state he is born -> Completed the graduation - now trying to get MBA> > Would like to know your opinion - if u feel toBut waht is ur take on this chart ?? do u hav any observations own ur own since this is a discussion grp rgrds sunil nair > , Nandana astro <nandanaastro wrote:>> Namaskara sir> > Thanks for sharing ur chart in group> Let me share a chart i know of the same year - same lagana so> must be more interesting for you as you are studying astrology - ie> the only reason for sharing also. I understand the key difference from> the chart is the 9th house and 8th house.> > Before that a few points for your spirituality from your chat - Saturn> is ur atmakarak and in in 9th house Ketu and Venus are in mutal> kendras all this give u the strength and power to take up strong> sadana or in profession research. .> > Troubles after birth must be due to Rahu in 12th - with lagna lord> there - yes jupiters aspect is the biggest saving grace with vagottama> moon which keep u happy internaly - ie a mind which helps u to come out> of all odds> > I believe ur married life must be good thou venus is with Mars and> Rahu - in navamsha it is with Jupiter in meena - other than a few> arguments noting serious i believe - Can u plz clarfy? if you can> asking from curiousity> > Now coming to the chart> > Rajeev> > Date of birth is 10 July 1976> time of birth is 3.15 pm> Place of birth is Ernakulam Kerala> > > The native is yet to be married - arranged marriage - did not even thing> of love marriage.> Have not gone out of the state he is born -> Completed the graduation - now trying to get MBA> > Would like to know your opinion - if u feel to> > > Regards> Nandana> > 2009/7/24 viswa sai avadhutasai > > Dear Manoj,> >> > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a> > real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >> > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >> > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new> > point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra)> > along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >> > Any more observation, pl let me know> >> > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could> > explain the spiritual inclination/progess) - I would like to learn more> > about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...> >> > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House)> > with exalted Venus.> >> > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >> > Regards> > Kumar> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear gopu ji sure ,i know u can u post me ur chart with some events or feedbacks in prvt id for my studies ??since i dont want to discuss it ,in public fora rgrds sunil nair , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear sri sunil nairji,> thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna> depending on the age of the native.> coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the> most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity> to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the> results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa> or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in> sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which> started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not> as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have> conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup> in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I > am a contented person in life. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am> blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic> needs in life.> I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet> > Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM> > >  > > > > > dear gopu ji > > Thanks for ur messages > > For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules > > one such rules is aspect of jup > > also there is life period where each lagna become more activ > > so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that > > if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) > > Hope i am clear here > > as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) > > otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) > > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s > > but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,> > but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu kgopu_24@ wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> > not as I mentioned.> > thanks, > > regards,> > k.gopu> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > > > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > > > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > > > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji> > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, I am a mere beginner in the field of astrology. I needed help and advise of senior members, if they kindly can. regards Deepak ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:24:36 PM Re: Re: Retrograde planet Dear Deepak ji, Kindly share your own opinion and judgment about this placement, if you are an astrologer yourself. This would start the discussion. Regards Neelam 2009/7/26 Deepak Sood <deepak_26874@ > >Dear learned members, > >I have retrograde ju in 5th house. What are its implications? >MY details are: >26-08-1974, 11Am, Delhi. > >I wish to inquire about my job or business prospects as well? > >Best regards >Deepak Moderator's Note: May be discussed as relevant to Retrograde planet in 5H. NO predictions to be given as a policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Sunil ji, Gopuji, My husband has 3 retros(Ju, Sa, Me) in his horoscope and my daughter has 2(Ju, Sa). In my husbands case Ju is the lagna lord and the 9th lord and he had more problems in his jupiter mahadasa (especially financial) than during his shani dasa. We had a especially harrowing time at his dasha sandhis. Ju - shani, shani- Me. Now he is running mercury MD and is at peace with himself. My daughter too had a bad time at the time of her Rahu - Brihaspati cross over. Now even tho she is having guru MD, things are happening very very slowly and there are delays and set backs every where. Regards,Anita--- On Sun, 26/7/09, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: K Gopu <kgopu_24Re: Re: Retrograde planet Date: Sunday, 26 July, 2009, 12:23 PM dear sri sunil nairji, thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna depending on the age of the native. coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I am a contented person in life. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic needs in life. I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time. good wishes, k.gopu--- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planetancient_indian_ astrologySunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue....> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >To: "ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 dear anita ji Thanks for ur post How jup can b Lagna Lord and 9th L together in same time ??also tell me what is lagna and planetary distribution in both chart s of ur daughter and husband or if possible post details only for discussions rgrds sunil nair , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:>>  Dear Manoj ji, Sunil ji, Gopuji,> My husband has 3 retros(Ju, Sa, Me) in his horoscope and my daughter has 2(Ju, Sa). In my husbands case Ju is the lagna lord and the 9th lord and he had more problems in his jupiter mahadasa (especially financial) than during his shani dasa. We had a especially harrowing time at his dasha sandhis. Ju - shani, shani- Me. Now he is running mercury MD and is at peace with himself. My daughter too had a bad time at the time of her Rahu - Brihaspati cross over. Now even tho she is having guru MD, things are happening very very slowly and there are delays and set backs every where.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Sun, 26/7/09, K Gopu kgopu_24 wrote:> > > K Gopu kgopu_24 Re: Re: Retrograde planet> > Sunday, 26 July, 2009, 12:23 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear sri sunil nairji,> thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna> depending on the age of the native.> coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the> most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity> to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the> results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa> or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in> sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which> started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not> as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have> conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup> in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I > am a contented person in life. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am> blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic> needs in life.> I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM> > >  > > > dear gopu ji > > Thanks for ur messages > > For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules > > one such rules is aspect of jup > > also there is life period where each lagna become more activ > > so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that > > if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) > > Hope i am clear here > > as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) > > otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) > > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s > > but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,> > but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu kgopu_24@ wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> > not as I mentioned.> > thanks, > > regards,> > k.gopu> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > > > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > > > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > > > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji> > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...> > > > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > > > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> > >  > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Anoop.> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > > > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > > > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > > > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > > > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> > >  > > > Pl do reply> > > > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> > >  > > > Here is another:> > > > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > > > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > > > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > > > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > > > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > > > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > > > >> > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local./> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Anita ji, //In my husbands case Ju is the lagna lord and the 9th lord// A typo??? blessings, Renu , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > >  Dear Manoj ji, Sunil ji, Gopuji, > My husband has 3 retros(Ju, Sa, Me) in his horoscope and my daughter has 2(Ju, Sa). In my husbands case Ju is the lagna lord and the 9th lord and he had more problems in his jupiter mahadasa (especially financial) than during his shani dasa. We had a especially harrowing time at his dasha sandhis. Ju - shani, shani- Me. Now he is running mercury MD and is at peace with himself. My daughter too had a bad time at the time of her Rahu - Brihaspati cross over. Now even tho she is having guru MD, things are happening very very slowly and there are delays and set backs every where. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Sun, 26/7/09, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 > Re: Re: Retrograde planet > > Sunday, 26 July, 2009, 12:23 PM > > >  > > dear sri sunil nairji, > thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna > depending on the age of the native. > coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the > most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity > to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the > results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa > or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in > sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which > started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not > as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have > conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup > in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I > am a contented person in life. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am > blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic > needs in life. > I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time. >  > good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM > > >  > > > dear gopu ji > > Thanks for ur messages > > For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules > > one such rules is aspect of jup > > also there is life period where each lagna become more activ > > so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that > > if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) > > Hope i am clear here > > as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) > > otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) > > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s > > but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations , > > but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > dear Neelamji, > > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and > > not as I mentioned. > > thanks, > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji, > > > > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.// > > > > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities. > > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H. > > > > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji, > > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. > > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna. > > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got > > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good > > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart. > >  > > good wishes, > > k.gopu > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji > > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences . > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely. > > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House. > > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement. > > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me) > > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord) > > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know > > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue... > > > > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus. > > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on...... > > >  > > > Regards > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote: > > > > > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ . > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, > > > > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. > > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > > > found this as bad placement for one's child. > > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet. > > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar, > > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. > > > > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. > > > > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. > > > > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. > > >  > > > Pl do reply > > > > >  > > > Thanks > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > viswasai > > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > > > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > > > > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. > > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. > > >  > > > Here is another: > > > > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, > > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam > > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > > > > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. > > > > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: > > > > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal > > > > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). > > > > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz > > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. > > > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > > > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839 > > > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > > > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å " nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > > > > > > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. > > > > > > > > > > > >         ÂÂÂ\         ÂÂ\  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ÂÃ\ ‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â\  Â Â Â Â Â Â - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > > > > > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com> > > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends, > > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > > > > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that > > > > > > > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > > > > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!! > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Deepak ji, I thought you got a fairly comprehensive analysis from another group...or am I mistaken? blessings, Renu -- In , Deepak Sood <deepak_26874 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > I am a mere beginner in the field of astrology. I needed help and advise of senior members, if they kindly can. > regards > Deepak > > > > > ________________________________ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:24:36 PM > Re: Re: Retrograde planet > > > Dear Deepak ji, > > Kindly share your own opinion and judgment about this placement, if you are an astrologer yourself. This would start the discussion. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/26 Deepak Sood <deepak_26874@ > > > > >Dear learned members, > > > >I have retrograde ju in 5th house. What are its implications? > >MY details are: > >26-08-1974, 11Am, Delhi. > > > >I wish to inquire about my job or business prospects as well? > > > >Best regards > >Deepak Moderator's Note: May be discussed as relevant to Retrograde planet in 5H. NO predictions to be given as a policy. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Renu ji, I did not get any analysis regarding Retrodage Ju. regards ________________________________ renunw <renunw Monday, July 27, 2009 12:44:37 PM Re: Retrograde planet Dear Deepak ji, I thought you got a fairly comprehensive analysis from another group...or am I mistaken? blessings, Renu -- In ancient_indian_ astrology, Deepak Sood <deepak_26874@ ....> wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > I am a mere beginner in the field of astrology. I needed help and advise of senior members, if they kindly can. > regards > Deepak > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:24:36 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > > Dear Deepak ji, > > Kindly share your own opinion and judgment about this placement, if you are an astrologer yourself.. This would start the discussion. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/26 Deepak Sood <deepak_26874@ > > > > >Dear learned members, > > > >I have retrograde ju in 5th house. What are its implications? > >MY details are: > >26-08-1974, 11Am, Delhi. > > > >I wish to inquire about my job or business prospects as well? > > > >Best regards > >Deepak Moderator's Note: May be discussed as relevant to Retrograde planet in 5H. NO predictions to be given as a policy. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, Sorry, it was by mistake. Jupiter is lagna lord (Pisces) and 10th lord.. Lagna is pisces, Retro saturn in taurus, retro jupiter in gemini, rahu in leo, Mars in sagittarius, sun /moon/ retro mercury in capricorn, venus and ketu in aquarius. Running budha dasa since early 2002 January.. Great guy but very short tempered. My daughters lagna is karka with rahu residing there, retro jupiter /retro saturn in virgo, Moon in kumbha, Mars in aries, venus and sun in taurus, mercury in gemini. Running guru dasa since dec 2000. Regards, Anita--- On Mon, 27/7/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet Date: Monday, 27 July, 2009, 6:41 AM dear anita ji Thanks for ur post How jup can b Lagna Lord and 9th L together in same time ??also tell me what is lagna and planetary distribution in both chart s of ur daughter and husband or if possible post details only for discussions rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@.. .> wrote:>>  Dear Manoj ji, Sunil ji, Gopuji,> My husband has 3 retros(Ju, Sa, Me) in his horoscope and my daughter has 2(Ju, Sa). In my husbands case Ju is the lagna lord and the 9th lord and he had more problems in his jupiter mahadasa (especially financial) than during his shani dasa. We had a especially harrowing time at his dasha sandhis. Ju - shani, shani- Me. Now he is running mercury MD and is at peace with himself. My daughter too had a bad time at the time of her Rahu - Brihaspati cross over. Now even tho she is having guru MD, things are happening very very slowly and there are delays and set backs every where.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Sun, 26/7/09, K Gopu kgopu_24 wrote:> > > K Gopu kgopu_24 Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 26 July, 2009, 12:23 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear sri sunil nairji,> thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna> depending on the age of the native.> coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the> most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity> to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the> results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa> or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in> sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which> started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not> as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have> conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup> in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I > am a contented person in life. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am> blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic> needs in life.> I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM> > >  > > > dear gopu ji > > Thanks for ur messages > > For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules > > one such rules is aspect of jup > > also there is life period where each lagna become more activ > > so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that > > if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) > > Hope i am clear here > > as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) > > otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) > > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s > > but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,> > but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu kgopu_24@ wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> > not as I mentioned.> > thanks, > > regards,> > k.gopu> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > > > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > > > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > > > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna..> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji> > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss.. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...> > > > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on.......> > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > > > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet..> > >  > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Anoop.> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > > > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > > > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > > > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > > > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> > >  > > > Pl do reply> > > > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> > >  > > > Here is another:> > > > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > > > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > > > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > > > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > > > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > > > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > > > > > >                                         Ãâ €šÃ‚ Â - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > > > >> > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local. /> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2009 Yes, lagna lord and 10th lord. It is a case of fingers running slower than the brain. Love,Anita--- On Mon, 27/7/09, renunw <renunw wrote: renunw <renunw Re: Retrograde planet Date: Monday, 27 July, 2009, 7:12 AM Dear Anita ji,//In my husbands case Ju is the lagna lord and the 9th lord//A typo???blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote:>>  Dear Manoj ji, Sunil ji, Gopuji,> My husband has 3 retros(Ju, Sa, Me) in his horoscope and my daughter has 2(Ju, Sa). In my husbands case Ju is the lagna lord and the 9th lord and he had more problems in his jupiter mahadasa (especially financial) than during his shani dasa. We had a especially harrowing time at his dasha sandhis. Ju - shani, shani- Me. Now he is running mercury MD and is at peace with himself. My daughter too had a bad time at the time of her Rahu - Brihaspati cross over. Now even tho she is having guru MD, things are happening very very slowly and there are delays and set backs every where.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Sun, 26/7/09, K Gopu <kgopu_24@.. .> wrote:> > > K Gopu <kgopu_24@.. .>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 26 July, 2009, 12:23 PM> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear sri sunil nairji,> thanks for enlightening on how to consider the lagna/moon lagna> depending on the age of the native.> coming back to retro jupiter, though texts say that jupiter is the> most beneficial planet in a chart and it has very little propensity> to harm the native, but however a retro jupiter doesnt give the> results as per the expectation of the native whether it is in the mahadasa> or antar or pratyantar periods. I am also vrichika lagna with retro jup in> sagittarius and it is in moolatrikona. If u ask me how was jup mahadasa which> started from 1985 till 2001, i can say it was better than rahu mahadasa but not> as mentioned in the texts ie Jupiter in 2nd house in moolatrikona shud have> conferred lot of wealth. this didnt happen maybe due to retrogression of jup> in my natal chart. However I am not worried abt the same because I > am a contented person in life. I take life as it comes and always feel that I am> blessed when compared to millions who are yet to get good food or basic> needs in life.> I hope I havent taken much of ur valuable time.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:> > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:18 AM> > >  > > > dear gopu ji > > Thanks for ur messages > > For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules > > one such rules is aspect of jup > > also there is life period where each lagna become more activ > > so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that > > if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) > > Hope i am clear here > > as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) > > otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) > > here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s > > but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,> > but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:> >> > dear Neelamji,> > sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> > not as I mentioned.> > thanks, > > regards,> > k.gopu> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > > > //if u take 5th lord from moon > > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > > > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> > It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > > > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> > I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> > since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> > so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> > a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> > spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.> >  > > good wishes,> > k.gopu> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in> wrote:> > > > > > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Kumarji> > > > Thanks for ur post > > > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > Dear Manoj,> > >  > > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> > >  > > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> > >  > > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> > >  > > > Any more observation, pl let me know> > >  > > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...> > > > >  > > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> > >  > > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> > >  > > > Regards> > > Kumar> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > > > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> > >  > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Anoop.> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there..> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > > > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > > > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > > > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > > > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> > >  > > > Pl do reply> > > > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> > >  > > > Here is another:> > > > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > > > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > > > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > > > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > > > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > > > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > > > > > >                                         Ãâ €šÃ‚ Â - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > > > >> > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local. /> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
