Guest guest Report post Posted December 25, 2002 Jaya JagannathDear SanjayNo, I don't think retrogression is an issue in the D-chart, but look for Parivartana Yogas very carefully. In the nakshatra or D-charts these are called sookshma parivartana and have a profound impact.Best regards,Sanjay Rath----------------------Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org http://srath.com sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran [sprabhakaran]Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:57 AMvarahamihira Subject: [sJC: Varahamihira] Retrograde planetOm Shreem Vachaspataye namah,Dear Gurudeva,Does retrograde planet change the sex of siblings/children in d3/d7?If they are exalted or debilitated they can be considered the opposite when retrograde. What about when they are in other signs?. Should i consider them in 'like' in 7th from itself?Warm RegardsS.Prabhakaran<o-<Hare Rama KrishnaArchive:varahamihiraFiles:varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Hi All, Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. Pl do reply Thanks Kumar viswasai www.viswasai.blogspot.com "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM Dear Dhananjayan Ji,Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. Here is another: Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! Dear Friends,http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising cautionHere I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€( neethiman /Judge).IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.Regards / Dhananjayan--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:>Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!>"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>>Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM>>> >Dear Friends,> Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! >>Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that>>1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.>2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).>>Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire". Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed, let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!>> >Regards,> -Manoj> ____________ _________ _________ __Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Dear Dr.Kumar, Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. Regards, -Manoj viswa sai <avadhutasai Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM Retrograde planet Hi All, Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. Pl do reply Thanks Kumar viswasai www.viswasai. blogspot. com "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM Dear Dhananjayan Ji,Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. Here is another: Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! Dear Friends,http://groups/. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising cautionHere I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€( neethiman /Judge).IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.Regards / Dhananjayan--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:>Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!>"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>>Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM>>> >Dear Friends,> Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! >>Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that>>1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.>2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).>>Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire". Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed, let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!>> >Regards,> -Manoj> ____________ _________ _________ __Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Manoj Ji, I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have found this as bad placement for one's child. It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet. Thanks & regards, Anoop.--- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Retrograde planet Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM Dear Dr.Kumar, Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. Regards, -Manoj viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet Hi All, Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. Pl do reply Thanks Kumar viswasai www.viswasai. blogspot. com "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM Dear Dhananjayan Ji,Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. Here is another: Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! Dear Friends,http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising cautionHere I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€( neethiman /Judge).IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.Regards / Dhananjayan--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:>Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!>"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>>Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM>>> >Dear Friends,> Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! >>Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that>>1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.>2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).>>Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire". Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed, let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!>> >Regards,> -Manoj> ____________ _________ _________ __Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Manoj,  Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.  My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.  1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement. 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me) 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)  Any more observation, pl let me know  4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...  In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.  Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......  Regards Kumar --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh <aks_anoop wrote: anoop singh <aks_anoop Re: Retrograde planet Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM  Dear Manoj Ji,  I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have found this as bad placement for one's child. It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.  Thanks & regards, Anoop. --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet ancient_indian_ astrology Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM  Dear Dr.Kumar,  Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.  Regards,  -Manoj  viswa sai <avadhutasai@ > ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet  Hi All,  Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.  I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.  In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.  Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.  Pl do reply  Thanks Kumar viswasai www.viswasai. blogspot. com " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! ancient_indian_ astrology Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM  Dear Dhananjayan Ji, Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….  I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.  Here is another:  Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam  One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.  Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:  Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal  If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).  Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz  The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.  Regards,   -Manoj  ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya > ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!  Dear Friends, http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839 I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€( neethiman /Judge). IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….                                         \   - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. Regards / Dhananjayan --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology> >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > >Dear Friends, > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!! > > >Regards, > -Manoj > ____________ _________ _________ __ Get your preferred Email name! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear anoop ji can u post those data 's with u Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions .I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa ) My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign ) Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth .if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated rgrds sunil nair , anoop singh <aks_anoop wrote:>> Dear Manoj Ji,>  > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > found this as bad placement for one's child.> It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.>  > Thanks & regards,> Anoop.> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj Re: Retrograde planet> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >  > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,>  > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> >  > > > > > > > Hi All,>  > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.>  > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.>  > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. >  > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.>  > Pl do reply>  > Thanks> Kumar> > > > viswasai> www.viswasai. blogspot. com > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >  > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….>  > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.>  > Here is another:>  > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam>  > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.>  > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:>  > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal>  > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).>  > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz>  > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.>  > Regards,>  >  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >  > Dear Friends,> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€( neethiman /Judge).> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > Regards / Dhananjayan> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> >> >> > > >Dear Friends,> > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > >> >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> >> >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> >> > > >Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear sunil nairji  Here are my details  DOB: 05-oct-1976 Time of Birth: 10:29 AM Place of Birth: Secunderabad, India Currently at Toronto, Canada  Here are the details:  House Rasi Lord Placed in Occupied Lagna Scorpio Mars Libra (12th) - 2 Sagittarius Jupiter ® Taurus (7th) - 3 Capricorn Saturn Cancer (9th) - 4 Aquarius Saturn Cancer (9th) Moon (9th Lord) 5 Pisces Jupiter ® Taurus (7th) - 6 Aries Mars Libra (12th) Ketu 7 Taurus Venus Libra (12th) Jupiter ® 8 Gemini Mercury Virgo (11th) with Sun (10th Lord) - 9 Cancer Moon Aquarius (4th) Saturn (3rd and 4th lord) 10 Leo Sun Virgo (11th) with Mercury - 11 Virgo Mercury Virgo with Sun (10th lord) Sun and Mercury 12 Libra Venus Libra with Mars and Rahu Venus, Mars and Rahu  Can any body guess my profession and nature of work, for me still it looks weired using my horoscope.  Regards Kumar   --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:19 AM  Dear anoop ji can u post those data 's with u Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions . I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa ) My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign ) Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth . if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated rgrds sunil nair - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear KumarjiThanks for ur post dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .rgrds sunil nair , viswa sai <avadhutasai wrote:>> Dear Manoj,>  > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.>  > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.>  > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)>  > Any more observation, pl let me know>  > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...>  > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.>  > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......>  > Regards> Kumar> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop wrote:> > > anoop singh aks_anoop Re: Retrograde planet> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,>  > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> found this as bad placement for one's child.> It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.>  > Thanks & regards,> Anoop.> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,>  > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> >  > > > > > > > Hi All,>  > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.>  > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.>  > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.>  > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.>  > Pl do reply>  > Thanks> Kumar> > > > viswasai> www.viswasai. blogspot. com> "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >  > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….>  > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.>  > Here is another:>  > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam>  > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.>  > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:>  > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal>  > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).>  > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz>  > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.>  > Regards,>  >  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >  > Dear Friends,> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€( neethiman /Judge).> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > Regards / Dhananjayan> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> >> >> > > >Dear Friends,> > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > >> >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> >> >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> >> > > >Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Get your preferred Email name!> Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Sunil Nair,  Sure, I will provide all the details, I went through during Jupiter Maha dasa. First let me give your openion on my horoscope based on that we will discuss progress of education, marriage and etc related....  if you need any more details, feel free to ask me. Regards Kumar --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:19 AM  Dear anoop ji can u post those data 's with u Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions . I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa ) My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign ) Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth . if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, anoop singh <aks_anoop@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Manoj Ji, >  > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > found this as bad placement for one's child. > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet. >  > Thanks & regards, > Anoop. > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > ancient_indian_ astrology > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM > > >  Dear Dr.Kumar, >  > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  viswa sai <avadhutasai@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > >  Hi All, >  > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. >  > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. >  > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. >  > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. >  > Pl do reply >  > Thanks > Kumar > > > > viswasai > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. >  > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. >  > Here is another: >  > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam >  > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. >  > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: >  > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal >  > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). >  > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz >  > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. >  > Regards, >  >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > >  > Dear Friends, > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839 > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€�( neethiman /Judge). > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. > > > >                     \                     \   - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > >Dear Friends, > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!! > > > > > >Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Kumar ji U shud think that this grp as policy dont discuss personal charts esp which includes of predicting nature ur question was abt spiritual progress and 5th Lord and retro jup so ur lagna is rising with sarpa drekkana ( it also denotes Kundlini -in meditations ) and dasa Lord sani also in sarpa drekana the lagna ,5th and 9th Houses some way of related can show sudden success in spiritual journeys ( lagna Lord is aspecting jup the 5th L and dasa of sani is running who is also in 9th house ) sani in 9th is one of the pointers of parivrajya yoga too ,so some traits of spiritual activities will b in chart ,also moon -jup kendra position is Gaja kesari yoga (again got diluted by retro jup ) ,also it is 5th and 9th Lords .planets in dasa operating in kama trikona ( 3/7/11) generaly will not support spiritual progress unless there is real traits in chart ur santana karaka jup is retro ,and sukla karaka venus is highly afflicted ,so can giv problems in child bearing ,rest depends on whole influence in chart wich needs heavy analsysis and then dasa patterns marriage karaka and 7th L afflicted ( along with 12th Lordships of venus ) need not giv good relationships in married life .frm moon also 7th L is in 8th House ,but i generaly blvs jup as a benefic in 7th can giv some reliefs .as regrds to ur profession 10th L sun is with merc and mercurian professions will suit u and sun also givn amsa in gemini another mercurian rasi frm moon mars is givn amsa in vrichika ( as 10th L ) and it again may b some thing involved technical work ( as there is millions of profession in world i am not well informed abt it ) also dasa Lord sani in 9th house of videsha stana and long distance travel ,it may show in distance lands ,transit sani and jup not comfortable may show some tensions too as regrds to profession ( which u can giv feed backs ) ,also 10th L s frm lagna and moon and sun is in jala rasies showing mostly out of country and even some professions related to it .(U hav to use ur brain and thinking here .)here today only i cud able to giv some time on all my personal work and my passion called astrology ,and i did not read ur chart in full as due to time constriants and constant ringing of telephone .hope this superficial analysis will help u to finlayse ur doubts in dasa benefics even if retro need not giv bad results where as malefics can b dangerous depending on strnght in chart ( this is the general rule i follow for retrograde planets - ) ,other wise avasta ,mood ,alertness etc along with 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkan etc need to b scrutinised along with dasa promises in chart .ur moon is in parivarthan with sani and i blv this is good ( means acts mildly than expected ).and may b better in dasa too .pls note that i am not predicting for ur chart and just giving some opinions and adding my 2 paisa for the discussion .hope this helps rgrds sunil nair , viswa sai <avadhutasai wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nair,>  > Sure, I will provide all the details, I went through during Jupiter Maha dasa. First let me give your openion on my horoscope based on that we will discuss progress of education, marriage and etc related....>  > if you need any more details, feel free to ask me.> Regards> Kumar> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:19 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear anoop ji> > can u post those data 's with u> > Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions .> I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa )> > My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign )> > Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth .> > if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated> > rgrds sunil nair> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Manoj Ji,> >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> >> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> >> >> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi All,> >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> >> >> >> > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> >> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> >> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> >> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> >  > >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >> >  > > Dear Friends,> >> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> >> >> > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> >> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> >> > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> >> >> > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> >> >> >> >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> >> > Regards / Dhananjayan> >> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> >> > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Kumar ji,Some points on profession (as you asked in one of your mails) which can be seen from your chart. Just an attempt to test some tools.You have had a very good education, right from childhood. See the strength and placement of 2/4/5 lords and karaks jup and mer. Mahadasha of 5L jup during this phase. You went into higher studies, may be research and even post doc? Studies in the field of life sciences/biological sciences. 3/4L Saturn in cancer in 9H and moon in 4H in exchange and moon vargottam (life sciences), Saturn’s period from 1999 which further pushes bhagya into a vocation (2/3) through moon/mer/sun and ketu. See the nice sambandhas of Saturn with these planets. Saturn mer would be deeper studies as mer is 8/11L with 10L sun, aspected by 2/5L jup. Your job could be related to research in life sciences, could be in a teaching-cum-research job at some university abroad. Wife could be in research field also.Sat-mer you could’ve started your job abroad. Sat-ket you would start something like microbiology, working with bacteria, viruses etc. Moon in 8H in D-10 in cancer, Saturn in virgo aspecting sun and mars in 12H, completes the picture. Sat-ven indicates a change of place and job. You also have something related to medical/drugs, etc. But not exactly a medical doctor. I can only think of life-sciences research. However, you also write extensively (mer in vir with sun, asp by 2/3L sat in cancer), not only in your subject, but also religious and spiritual writings. You might be having some published works. Your marriage and wife could’ve triggered your spiritual journey in and saturn’s dasha has favoured it completely. You could be an ardent devotee and a very religious person and your wife too, jointly serving dharma. We can talk about your spiritual merits in another post, if this is somewhat correct.Thanks and regardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Dr Kumar, i am limiting myself to retro planets only.In general i find retro planets giving trouble(s).The more retro planets the more troubles whether they are malefics or benefics.In fact retro benefics are prone to be more problematic than malefics!. Jup wherever placed spoils the house of placement but when it is retro it may not is what i observed. Jupiter is your 2nd and 5th lord hence your family life and children and also finance can get reversed occasionally specially when jup is retro in transit and jup's pratyantar dasas are operating. since your 5th lord is retro you will have ups and downs in your sadhana(spiritual practices).You may succeed in your sadhana also since jup is aspg your 11th lord( exal) also 8th(moksha trikona) with 10th lord in 11th. Since jup is in the nakshatra of 10th lord aspd by him as well you may have occasional reverses in profession specially during jup's retro transit but you will have a good professional life. Last but not least 2nd lord in 7th is a maraka but when it is retro it may not kill!!......but can give ill health since it is aspg 6th as retro. Love and regards, gopi. , viswa sai <avadhutasai wrote: > > Hi All, >  > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. >  > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. >  > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. >  > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. >  > Pl do reply >  > Thanks > Kumar > > > > viswasai > www.viswasai.blogspot.com > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj > Re: Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > >  > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. >  > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. >  > Here is another: >  > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam >  > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. >  > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: >  > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal >  > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). >  > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz >  > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. >  > Regards, >  >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > >  > Dear Friends, > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839 > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathyâ€( neethiman /Judge). > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > >Dear Friends, > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!! > > > > > >Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Sunilji and Neelamji , Great predictions with high (99%) accuracy. It is really great moment to discuss with you all and again pushing myself towards the Astrology books. Yes, I too agree with your words. I do follow strictly your policy. I would like to provide some information, which could be useful for discussion or knowledge. When I retrospect, my brain always thinks "Spiritually inclined (need a guru, who can guide me) at the same time looking for power and position with a good justification (help to people who have the eudcation/money problems I faced)". I donot know how these two qualities would be get along. Thats the reason I would like to learn more about the past spiritual progress, what are the limitations i have to achieve. Education: During Rahu dasa, I was very clever and easy to learn so many things (up to 7th standard) When entered into JUP dasa, I was continuted same as before but with no focus (reduced my concentration, obviously affects the progress curve. But JUP-VEN dasa, was cream period for me, when i was in BS with distinction. Then, M.Sc finished with good percentage too. Jup-Rahu dasa was really very bad period, when i wandered for opportunities with confusion. no help......... Astrology: I was starting learn Astrology (with my innate intelligence) (1989 onwards), with out Guru or any one of my family members. Reading lots of Astrology books (spent huge amounts) and had opportunity to discuss with Astrologers, reading horoscopes and did prediction accurately. I worshiped Gaytri Devi (after my thread cermoney), which helps me to increase my concentration and also huge impact on the accuracy of my predictions. When I recall my thrust on Astrology, i ever feel that if I have Guru, i would florish. Not only Astrology, even in my studies also, I have good relations with many Professors, who are at highest positions but they do not have time to spend with me Due to Jup-Rahu (I stopped doing Gayatri), away from astrology (due to PhD course). Never had any spiritual experience.... "That means Venus has taken a lead over all the factors related to Jupiter? or influence of retrograde Jupiter" As you mention, Saturn Mahadasa showed me a path where to go: Higher Education with Bhagya, then did my PhD, moved to States and Canada. I would like to make this more clear like sub-dasa Saturn-Saturn: Joined in Indian Govt Research Institute for PhD with fellowship but had difficulties from people but continuous support from my Professor but again never taught me any thing, all are my self-learning process.... Saturn-Budha: met my wife and marriage. (my wife is also a researcher, ultimate prediction accuracy by Mr.Neelamji), Saturn-Ketu: awarded my doctorate, had abortion, when transit Saturn moved over Cancer, got my Postdoc in USA. Spiritual Progress: My wife introduced Shiridi Baba to me, this was my point of introduction towards the spiritual growth. I was starting understand what is meaning of spiritualism. When we moved to USA, I was compeltely devoted my time towards the reading all great sages/avadhootas/siddhas life histories. I met Sri Viswayogi viswamji in USA (experienced as he is elevated soul and the same mentioned in Sri GuruCharitra on How do you find a true Guru) and started research and development of a VISWASAI blog: www.viswasai.blogspot.com. Now I worship Lord Dattatreya. We both (my wife and me) discuss about the spiritual laws, progress and etc. We have good understanding on worldly and spiritual matters, this might be reason of "Jupiter" ® Saturn-Venus: Again moved from USA to Canada, babygirl, bought vehicle, no problem with job but looking for a position as Assistant Professor or Scientisit. Sri Viswayogi Vismji visited my place during 7th moth of pregnancy period and blessed baby. Due to some reasons/forces, my spiritaul path has changed and trying to find a live GURU (karma), leaving the fundamentals....... Away from the basics I learned and cannot able to spend my time for updating VISWASAI blog. This tells me how karma or planetary conditions has direct impact on human life. Great leason for me. Saturn-Ravi: Still applying for Asst.Prof/Scientist positions in Govt and Universities. Getting promising connections with big people from Govt as well as Universities. But I donot know when I am going to succeed in this???????..... Now again trying to back to my SADHANA, going to meet SriViswaYogi viswamji again in coming August. These all are the lessons I learned and try not to follow the mistakes again.... I believe that if I succeess in SADHANA (spiritual) then only i could raise even in profession also..., the inner-essence of this thought is also supporting my thrust towards Spiritual progress, When?? My cordial respects to the God or Nature, what ever we feel as supreme, Note: I am not promoting any one in this letter, I tried to share my experiences only. So that we would able to discuss with clarity. I hope this seems to be within your policy conditions. With my best regards Kumar --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:55 AM Dear Kumar ji U shud think that this grp as policy dont discuss personal charts esp which includes of predicting nature ur question was abt spiritual progress and 5th Lord and retro jup so ur lagna is rising with sarpa drekkana ( it also denotes Kundlini -in meditations ) and dasa Lord sani also in sarpa drekana the lagna ,5th and 9th Houses some way of related can show sudden success in spiritual journeys ( lagna Lord is aspecting jup the 5th L and dasa of sani is running who is also in 9th house ) sani in 9th is one of the pointers of parivrajya yoga too ,so some traits of spiritual activities will b in chart ,also moon -jup kendra position is Gaja kesari yoga (again got diluted by retro jup ) ,also it is 5th and 9th Lords .planets in dasa operating in kama trikona ( 3/7/11) generaly will not support spiritual progress unless there is real traits in chart ur santana karaka jup is retro ,and sukla karaka venus is highly afflicted ,so can giv problems in child bearing ,rest depends on whole influence in chart wich needs heavy analsysis and then dasa patterns marriage karaka and 7th L afflicted ( along with 12th Lordships of venus ) need not giv good relationships in married life .frm moon also 7th L is in 8th House ,but i generaly blvs jup as a benefic in 7th can giv some reliefs .as regrds to ur profession 10th L sun is with merc and mercurian professions will suit u and sun also givn amsa in gemini another mercurian rasi frm moon mars is givn amsa in vrichika ( as 10th L ) and it again may b some thing involved technical work ( as there is millions of profession in world i am not well informed abt it ) also dasa Lord sani in 9th house of videsha stana and long distance travel ,it may show in distance lands ,transit sani and jup not comfortable may show some tensions too as regrds to profession ( which u can giv feed backs ) ,also 10th L s frm lagna and moon and sun is in jala rasies showing mostly out of country and even some professions related to it .(U hav to use ur brain and thinking here .)here today only i cud able to giv some time on all my personal work and my passion called astrology ,and i did not read ur chart in full as due to time constriants and constant ringing of telephone .hope this superficial analysis will help u to finlayse ur doubts in dasa benefics even if retro need not giv bad results where as malefics can b dangerous depending on strnght in chart ( this is the general rule i follow for retrograde planets - ) ,other wise avasta ,mood ,alertness etc along with 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkan etc need to b scrutinised along with dasa promises in chart .ur moon is in parivarthan with sani and i blv this is good ( means acts mildly than expected ).and may b better in dasa too .pls note that i am not predicting for ur chart and just giving some opinions and adding my 2 paisa for the discussion .hope this helps rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nair,>  > Sure, I will provide all the details, I went through during Jupiter Maha dasa. First let me give your openion on my horoscope based on that we will discuss progress of education, marriage and etc related....>  > if you need any more details, feel free to ask me.> Regards> Kumar> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:19 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear anoop ji> > can u post those data 's with u> > Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions .> I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa )> > My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign )> > Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth .> > if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated> > rgrds sunil nair> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Manoj Ji,> >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> >> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> >> >> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi All,> >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> >> >> >> > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> >> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> >> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> >> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> >  > >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >> >  > > Dear Friends,> >> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> >> >> > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> >> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> >> > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> >> >> > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> >> >> >> >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> >> > Regards / Dhananjayan> >> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> >> > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Gopiji, These points on retro planet are new to me. As you said, I was pre-mature baby with lots of hurdles. Most of people were expressed that I will not be survived. But, survived as you said might be Jup ®. Please read my another mail, where i described my life esp on Education, Spiritual progress and what are my thrusts. Thank you very much Regards Kumar viswasai www.viswasai.blogspot.com "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".--- On Fri, 7/24/09, gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 wrote: gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 Re: Retrograde planet Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:08 PM Dear Dr Kumar,i am limiting myself to retro planets only.In general i find retroplanets givingtrouble(s).The more retro planets the more troubles whether they aremalefics or benefics.In fact retro benefics are prone to be moreproblematicthan malefics!.Jup wherever placed spoils the house of placement but when it is retroitmay not is what i observed.Jupiter is your 2nd and 5th lord hence your family life and children andalsofinance can get reversed occasionally specially when jup is retro intransit and jup's pratyantar dasas are operating.since your 5th lord is retro you will have ups and downs in yoursadhana(spiritual practices).You may succeed in your sadhana also sincejupis aspg your 11th lord( exal) also 8th(moksha trikona) with 10th lord in11th.Since jup is in the nakshatra of 10th lord aspd by him as well you mayhaveoccasional reverses in profession specially during jup's retro transitbut you will have a good professional life.Last but not least 2nd lord in 7th is a maraka but when it is retro itmay notkill!!...... but can give ill health since it is aspg 6th as retro.Love and regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai<avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:>> Hi All,> Â> Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any onehelps me on the below topics.> Â> I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet couldinfluence a person's life.> Â> In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lordcould explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna),5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain thisissue.> Â> Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned Vedic Astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learnmore about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussingwith people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books onthis.> Â> Pl do reply> Â> Thanks> Kumar>>>> viswasai> www.viswasai. blogspot. com> "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has becomeGod, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activityis outside the scope of one's human limited vision".>> --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:>>> Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ....> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes andJyotish !!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM>>> Â>>>>>> Dear Dhananjayan Ji,>> Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:>> IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru,marandhu vaazha onru….> Â> I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet)memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> Â> Here is another:> Â> Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> Â> One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation(Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai(Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> Â> Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> Â> Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> Â> If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with somuch Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. Afterdoing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not onlythe Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us toforget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated withpride).> Â> Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> Â> The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasurefor the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and SelfRestraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in thelong Run.> Â> Regards,> Â>  -Manoj> Â>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes andJyotish !!!>> Â> Dear Friends,>> http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/22799>>> http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/22839>> I under stand from the above two messages that the paths todestinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocateexercising caution>> Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed theformer and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in hisforth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become“nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).>>> IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….>>>>              Â             Â              -Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.>> Regards / Dhananjayan>> --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:>>> >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes andJyotish !!!> >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology >> >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> >> >> >Â> >Dear Friends,> > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from mypoor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji"astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad timefor the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (myÂnak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the wholefamily is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to doYagyas. !!!Â> >> >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he hasdiscovered that> >> >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation,such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> >> >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feedingon the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, thisis not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not wastetime on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other onthe back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us beeach others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire". Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality,language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly andsincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this"Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> >Â> > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> >> >Â> >Regards,> > -Manoj> >Â>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Get your preferred Email name!> Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear kumar ji Thanks for ur feed backs as rgrds to accuracy of predictions i never feel i hav any way predicted anything and what ever u feel as correct is only gods grace and gurus blesssing sure <neelam ji was better as usual and i know her sincerity and enthusiasm U need a guru ( both in astrology and spirituality ) and i hope sani in dasa can giv it ,as he is in 9th House ,even next dasa is sani -moon ( one is planet in 9th House and other is 9th L ) i will b busy tomorrow onwards again and i hope grp memebrs will carry forward the discussion Thanks for ur enthusiasm to learn astrology and pursuits in spiritual affairs rgrds sunil nair , viswa sai <avadhutasai wrote:>> > Dear Sunilji and Neelamji ,>  > Great predictions with high (99%) accuracy. It is really great moment to discuss with you all and again pushing myself towards the Astrology books. Yes, I too agree with your words. I do follow strictly your policy. I would like to provide some information, which could be useful for discussion or knowledge.>  > When I retrospect, my brain always thinks "Spiritually inclined (need a guru, who can guide me) at the same time looking for power and position with a good justification (help to people who have the eudcation/money problems I faced)". I donot know how these two qualities would be get along. Thats the reason I would like to learn more about the past spiritual progress, what are the limitations i have to achieve.  >  > Education: >  > During Rahu dasa, I was very clever and easy to learn so many things (up to 7th standard)>  > When entered into JUP dasa, I was continuted same as before but with no focus (reduced my concentration, obviously affects the progress curve. But JUP-VEN dasa, was cream period for me, when i was in BS with distinction. Then, M.Sc finished with good percentage too. Jup-Rahu dasa was really very bad period, when i wandered for opportunities with confusion. no help.........>  > Astrology: I was starting learn Astrology (with my innate intelligence) (1989 onwards), with out Guru or any one of my family members. Reading lots of Astrology books (spent huge amounts) and had opportunity to discuss with Astrologers, reading horoscopes and did prediction accurately. >  > I worshiped Gaytri Devi (after my thread cermoney), which helps me to increase my concentration and also huge impact on the accuracy of my predictions. When I recall my thrust on Astrology, i ever feel that if I have Guru, i would florish. Not only Astrology, even in my studies also, I have good relations with many Professors, who are at highest positions but they do not have time to spend with me>  > Due to Jup-Rahu (I stopped doing Gayatri), away from astrology (due to PhD course).> Never had any spiritual experience....>  > "That means Venus has taken a lead over all the factors related to Jupiter? or influence of retrograde Jupiter" >  > As you mention, Saturn Mahadasa showed me a path where to go: Higher Education with Bhagya, then did my PhD, moved to States and Canada. I would like to make this more clear like sub-dasa>  > Saturn-Saturn: Joined in Indian Govt Research Institute for PhD with fellowship but had difficulties from people but continuous support from my Professor but again never taught me any thing, all are my self-learning process....>  > Saturn-Budha: met my wife and marriage. (my wife is also a researcher, ultimate prediction accuracy by Mr.Neelamji),>  > Saturn-Ketu: awarded my doctorate, had abortion, when transit Saturn moved over Cancer, got my Postdoc in USA. >  > Spiritual Progress: My wife introduced Shiridi Baba to me, this was my point of introduction towards the spiritual growth. I was starting understand what is meaning of spiritualism. When we moved to USA, I was compeltely devoted my time towards the reading all great sages/avadhootas/siddhas life histories. I met Sri Viswayogi viswamji in USA (experienced as he is elevated soul and the same mentioned in Sri GuruCharitra on How do you find a true Guru) and started research and development of a VISWASAI blog: www.viswasai.blogspot.com. Now I worship Lord Dattatreya. We both (my wife and me) discuss about the spiritual laws, progress and etc. We have good understanding on worldly and spiritual matters, this might be reason of "Jupiter" ®>  > Saturn-Venus: Again moved from USA to Canada, babygirl, bought vehicle, no problem with job but looking for a position as Assistant Professor or Scientisit. Sri Viswayogi Vismji visited my place during 7th moth of pregnancy period and blessed baby.>  > Due to some reasons/forces, my spiritaul path has changed and trying to find a live GURU  (karma), leaving the fundamentals....... Away from the basics I learned and cannot able to spend my time for updating VISWASAI blog. This tells me how karma or planetary conditions has direct impact on human life. Great leason for me.>  > Saturn-Ravi: Still applying for Asst.Prof/Scientist positions in Govt and Universities. Getting promising connections with big people from Govt as well as Universities. But I donot know when I am going to succeed in this???????.....>  > Now again trying to back to my SADHANA, going to meet SriViswaYogi viswamji again in coming August. >  > These all are the lessons I learned and try not to follow the mistakes again....>  > I believe that if I succeess in SADHANA (spiritual) then only i could raise even in profession also..., the inner-essence of this thought is also supporting my thrust towards Spiritual progress, When??>  > My cordial respects to the God or Nature, what ever we feel as supreme,>  > Note: I am not promoting any one in this letter, I tried to share my experiences only. So that we would able to discuss with clarity. I hope this seems to be within your policy conditions. >  > With my best regards> Kumar>  >  >  >  > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:55 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear Kumar ji > >  U shud think that this grp as policy dont discuss personal charts esp which includes of predicting nature > > ur question was abt spiritual progress and 5th Lord and retro jup > > so ur lagna is rising with sarpa drekkana ( it also denotes Kundlini -in meditations ) and dasa Lord sani also in sarpa drekana > > the lagna ,5th and 9th Houses some way of related can show sudden success in spiritual journeys ( lagna Lord is aspecting jup the 5th L and dasa of sani is running who is also in 9th house ) sani in 9th is one of the pointers of parivrajya yoga too ,so some traits of spiritual activities will b in chart ,also moon -jup kendra position is Gaja kesari yoga (again got diluted by retro jup ) ,also it is 5th and 9th Lords .> > planets in dasa operating in kama trikona ( 3/7/11) generaly will not support spiritual progress unless there is real traits in chart > > ur santana karaka jup is retro ,and sukla karaka venus is highly afflicted ,so can giv problems in child bearing ,rest depends on whole influence in chart wich needs heavy analsysis and then dasa patterns > > marriage karaka and 7th L afflicted ( along with 12th Lordships of venus ) need not giv good relationships in married life .frm moon also 7th L is in 8th House ,but i generaly blvs jup as a benefic in 7th can giv some reliefs .> > as regrds to ur profession 10th L sun is with merc and mercurian professions will suit u and sun also givn amsa in gemini another mercurian rasi > > frm moon mars is givn amsa in vrichika ( as 10th L ) and it again may b some thing involved technical work ( as there is millions of profession in world i am not well informed abt it ) also dasa Lord sani in 9th house of videsha stana and long distance travel ,it may show in distance lands ,transit sani and jup not comfortable may show some tensions too as regrds to profession ( which u can giv feed backs ) ,also 10th L s frm lagna and moon and sun is in jala rasies showing mostly out of country and even some professions related to it .(U hav to use ur brain and thinking here .)> > here today only i cud able to giv some time on all my personal work and my passion called astrology ,and i did not read ur chart in full as due to time constriants and constant ringing of telephone .> > hope this superficial analysis will help u to finlayse ur doubts > > in dasa benefics even if retro need not giv bad results where as malefics can b dangerous depending on strnght in chart ( this is the general rule i follow for retrograde planets - ) ,other wise avasta ,mood ,alertness etc along with 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkan etc need to b scrutinised along with dasa promises in chart .> > ur moon is in parivarthan with sani and i blv this is good ( means acts mildly than expected ).and may b better in dasa too .> > pls note that i am not predicting for ur chart and just giving some opinions and adding my 2 paisa for the discussion .> > > hope this helps > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nair,> >  > > Sure, I will provide all the details, I went through during Jupiter Maha dasa. First let me give your openion on my horoscope based on that we will discuss progress of education, marriage and etc related....> >  > > if you need any more details, feel free to ask me.> > Regards> > Kumar> > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:19 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear anoop ji> > > > can u post those data 's with u> > > > Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions .> > I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa )> > > > My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign )> > > > Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth .> > > > if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> > >  > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Anoop.> > >> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi All,> > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> > >  > > > Pl do reply> > >  > > > Thanks> > > Kumar> > >> > >> > >> > > viswasai> > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > >> > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > >> > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> > >  > > > Here is another:> > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  > > >  -Manoj> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >> > >  > > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > >> > >> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > >> > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > >> > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > >> > >> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > >> > >> > >> > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > >> > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > >> > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > > >> > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Dr. Kumar, Just for further learning, could you please let know your major subject of study or resarch during your PG studies? thanks a lot. kind regds., venkat , viswa sai <avadhutasai wrote: > > Dear Gopiji, >  > These points on retro planet are new to me. As you said, I was pre-mature baby with lots of hurdles. Most of people were expressed that I will not be survived. But, survived as you said might be Jup ®. Please read my another mail, where i described my life esp on Education, Spiritual progress and what are my thrusts. >  > Thank you very much >  > Regards > Kumar >  > > >  > viswasai > www.viswasai.blogspot.com > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 > Re: Retrograde planet > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:08 PM > > >  > > > > > Dear Dr Kumar, > > i am limiting myself to retro planets only.In general i find retro > planets giving > > trouble(s).The more retro planets the more troubles whether they are > > malefics or benefics.In fact retro benefics are prone to be more > problematic > > than malefics!. > > Jup wherever placed spoils the house of placement but when it is retro > it > > may not is what i observed. > > Jupiter is your 2nd and 5th lord hence your family life and children and > also > > finance can get reversed occasionally specially when jup is retro in > transit and jup's pratyantar dasas are operating. > > since your 5th lord is retro you will have ups and downs in your > > sadhana(spiritual practices).You may succeed in your sadhana also since > jup > > is aspg your 11th lord( exal) also 8th(moksha trikona) with 10th lord in > 11th. > > Since jup is in the nakshatra of 10th lord aspd by him as well you may > have > > occasional reverses in profession specially during jup's retro transit > but you will have a good professional life. > > Last but not least 2nd lord in 7th is a maraka but when it is retro it > may not > > kill!!...... but can give ill health since it is aspg 6th as retro. > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai > <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one > helps me on the below topics. > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could > influence a person's life. > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord > could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), > 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this > issue. > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic > astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn > more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing > with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on > this. > >  > > Pl do reply > >  > > Thanks > > Kumar > > > > > > > > viswasai > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become > God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity > is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and > Jyotish !!! > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, > marandhu vaazha onru…. > >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) > memories another to forget (bitter) memories. > >  > > Here is another: > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam > >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation > (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai > (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so > much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After > doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only > the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to > forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with > pride). > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz > >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure > for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self > Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the > long Run. > >  > > Regards, > >  > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and > Jyotish !!! > > > >  > > Dear Friends, > > > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ > 22799 > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ > 22839 > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to > destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate > exercising caution > > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the > former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his > forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become >  " nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. > > > > > > > >               >               >               - > Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and > Jyotish !!! > > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com> > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends, > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my > poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji > " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time > for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my > nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole > family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do > Yagyas. !!! > > > > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this > Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has > discovered that > > > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, > such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding > on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this > is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste > time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on > the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be > each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " . >  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, > language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and > sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this > " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!! > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Get your preferred Email name! > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2009 Dear Neelam ji and Sunil ji, Congratulations on your fantastic predictions/analyzes once again! May you along with other good members bring more and more knowledge to our unique group blessings, Renu , viswa sai <avadhutasai wrote: > > > Dear Sunilji and Neelamji , >  > Great predictions with high (99%) accuracy. It is really great moment to discuss with you all and again pushing myself towards the Astrology books. Yes, I too agree with your words. I do follow strictly your policy. I would like to provide some information, which could be useful for discussion or knowledge. >  > When I retrospect, my brain always thinks " Spiritually inclined (need a guru, who can guide me) at the same time looking for power and position with a good justification (help to people who have the eudcation/money problems I faced) " . I donot know how these two qualities would be get along. Thats the reason I would like to learn more about the past spiritual progress, what are the limitations i have to achieve.  >  > Education: >  > During Rahu dasa, I was very clever and easy to learn so many things (up to 7th standard) >  > When entered into JUP dasa, I was continuted same as before but with no focus (reduced my concentration, obviously affects the progress curve. But JUP-VEN dasa, was cream period for me, when i was in BS with distinction. Then, M.Sc finished with good percentage too. Jup-Rahu dasa was really very bad period, when i wandered for opportunities with confusion. no help......... >  > Astrology: I was starting learn Astrology (with my innate intelligence) (1989 onwards), with out Guru or any one of my family members. Reading lots of Astrology books (spent huge amounts) and had opportunity to discuss with Astrologers, reading horoscopes and did prediction accurately. >  > I worshiped Gaytri Devi (after my thread cermoney), which helps me to increase my concentration and also huge impact on the accuracy of my predictions. When I recall my thrust on Astrology, i ever feel that if I have Guru, i would florish. Not only Astrology, even in my studies also, I have good relations with many Professors, who are at highest positions but they do not have time to spend with me >  > Due to Jup-Rahu (I stopped doing Gayatri), away from astrology (due to PhD course). > Never had any spiritual experience.... >  > " That means Venus has taken a lead over all the factors related to Jupiter? or influence of retrograde Jupiter " >  > As you mention, Saturn Mahadasa showed me a path where to go: Higher Education with Bhagya, then did my PhD, moved to States and Canada. I would like to make this more clear like sub-dasa >  > Saturn-Saturn: Joined in Indian Govt Research Institute for PhD with fellowship but had difficulties from people but continuous support from my Professor but again never taught me any thing, all are my self-learning process.... >  > Saturn-Budha: met my wife and marriage. (my wife is also a researcher, ultimate prediction accuracy by Mr.Neelamji), >  > Saturn-Ketu: awarded my doctorate, had abortion, when transit Saturn moved over Cancer, got my Postdoc in USA. >  > Spiritual Progress: My wife introduced Shiridi Baba to me, this was my point of introduction towards the spiritual growth. I was starting understand what is meaning of spiritualism. When we moved to USA, I was compeltely devoted my time towards the reading all great sages/avadhootas/siddhas life histories. I met Sri Viswayogi viswamji in USA (experienced as he is elevated soul and the same mentioned in Sri GuruCharitra on How do you find a true Guru) and started research and development of a VISWASAI blog: www.viswasai.blogspot.com. Now I worship Lord Dattatreya. We both (my wife and me) discuss about the spiritual laws, progress and etc. We have good understanding on worldly and spiritual matters, this might be reason of " Jupiter " ® >  > Saturn-Venus: Again moved from USA to Canada, babygirl, bought vehicle, no problem with job but looking for a position as Assistant Professor or Scientisit. Sri Viswayogi Vismji visited my place during 7th moth of pregnancy period and blessed baby. >  > Due to some reasons/forces, my spiritaul path has changed and trying to find a live GURU  (karma), leaving the fundamentals....... Away from the basics I learned and cannot able to spend my time for updating VISWASAI blog. This tells me how karma or planetary conditions has direct impact on human life. Great leason for me. >  > Saturn-Ravi: Still applying for Asst.Prof/Scientist positions in Govt and Universities. Getting promising connections with big people from Govt as well as Universities. But I donot know when I am going to succeed in this???????..... >  > Now again trying to back to my SADHANA, going to meet SriViswaYogi viswamji again in coming August. >  > These all are the lessons I learned and try not to follow the mistakes again.... >  > I believe that if I succeess in SADHANA (spiritual) then only i could raise even in profession also..., the inner-essence of this thought is also supporting my thrust towards Spiritual progress, When?? >  > My cordial respects to the God or Nature, what ever we feel as supreme, >  > Note: I am not promoting any one in this letter, I tried to share my experiences only. So that we would able to discuss with clarity. I hope this seems to be within your policy conditions. >  > With my best regards > Kumar >  >  >  >  > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala > Re: Retrograde planet > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:55 AM > > >  > > > > > Dear Kumar ji > >  U shud think that this grp as policy dont discuss personal charts esp which includes of predicting nature > > ur question was abt spiritual progress and 5th Lord and retro jup > > so ur lagna is rising with sarpa drekkana ( it also denotes Kundlini -in meditations ) and dasa Lord sani also in sarpa drekana > > the lagna ,5th and 9th Houses some way of related can show sudden success in spiritual journeys ( lagna Lord is aspecting jup the 5th L and dasa of sani is running who is also in 9th house ) sani in 9th is one of the pointers of parivrajya yoga too ,so some traits of spiritual activities will b in chart ,also moon -jup kendra position is Gaja kesari yoga (again got diluted by retro jup ) ,also it is 5th and 9th Lords . > > planets in dasa operating in kama trikona ( 3/7/11) generaly will not support spiritual progress unless there is real traits in chart > > ur santana karaka jup is retro ,and sukla karaka venus is highly afflicted ,so can giv problems in child bearing ,rest depends on whole influence in chart wich needs heavy analsysis and then dasa patterns > > marriage karaka and 7th L afflicted ( along with 12th Lordships of venus ) need not giv good relationships in married life .frm moon also 7th L is in 8th House ,but i generaly blvs jup as a benefic in 7th can giv some reliefs . > > as regrds to ur profession 10th L sun is with merc and mercurian professions will suit u and sun also givn amsa in gemini another mercurian rasi > > frm moon mars is givn amsa in vrichika ( as 10th L ) and it again may b some thing involved technical work ( as there is millions of profession in world i am not well informed abt it ) also dasa Lord sani in 9th house of videsha stana and long distance travel ,it may show in distance lands ,transit sani and jup not comfortable may show some tensions too as regrds to profession ( which u can giv feed backs ) ,also 10th L s frm lagna and moon and sun is in jala rasies showing mostly out of country and even some professions related to it .(U hav to use ur brain and thinking here .) > > here today only i cud able to giv some time on all my personal work and my passion called astrology ,and i did not read ur chart in full as due to time constriants and constant ringing of telephone . > > hope this superficial analysis will help u to finlayse ur doubts > > in dasa benefics even if retro need not giv bad results where as malefics can b dangerous depending on strnght in chart ( this is the general rule i follow for retrograde planets - ) ,other wise avasta ,mood ,alertness etc along with 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkan etc need to b scrutinised along with dasa promises in chart . > > ur moon is in parivarthan with sani and i blv this is good ( means acts mildly than expected ).and may b better in dasa too . > > pls note that i am not predicting for ur chart and just giving some opinions and adding my 2 paisa for the discussion . > > > hope this helps > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil Nair, > >  > > Sure, I will provide all the details, I went through during Jupiter Maha dasa. First let me give your openion on my horoscope based on that we will discuss progress of education, marriage and etc related.... > >  > > if you need any more details, feel free to ask me. > > Regards > > Kumar > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote: > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:19 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear anoop ji > > > > can u post those data 's with u > > > > Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions . > > I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa ) > > > > My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign ) > > > > Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth . > > > > if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, anoop singh aks_anoop@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, > > >  > > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house. > > > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > > > found this as bad placement for one's child. > > > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet. > > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Anoop. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar, > > >  > > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > >  > > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. > > >  > > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. > > >  > > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. > > >  > > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. > > >  > > > Pl do reply > > >  > > > Thanks > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > viswasai > > > www.viswasai. blogspot. com > > > " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one: > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru…. > > >  > > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. > > >  > > > Here is another: > > >  > > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam, > > > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam > > >  > > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. > > >  > > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: > > >  > > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal > > >  > > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). > > >  > > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz > > >  > > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > > >  > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > > > > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839 > > > > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > > > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å " nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > > > > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru…. > > > > > > > > > > > >         ÂÂÂ\         ÂÂ\  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ÂÃ\ ‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â\  Â Â Â Â Â Â - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > > > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > > > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Friends, > > > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > > > > > > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that > > > > > > > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > > > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones). > > > > > > > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!! > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Get your preferred Email name! > > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2009 Dear Dr.Kumar, Neelam Ji and Sunil Ji have give an excellent analysis as usual. Let me zoom in on just one factor. The unfortunate miscarriage (I prefer to call it miscarriage instead of abortion). In my opinion just Jupiter being retrograde is not enough. We need more factors, and they are there: From the Asc Jupiter 5L in 7H has gone 3 houses away (3H is 8th from the 8th) Jupiter is in the house of his Great Enemy (Ve is enemy plus placed 6 houses away) Jupiter is placed 6 houses away from his Moolitrikona sign Sagittarius Jupiter is weakest in 7H by directional strength Ju is aspected by 6L Mars and it is a very close aspect (within 3 degrees) By Nadi concepts, since Retro, Ju can be considered to be placed in 6H as well. So then you have 5L in 6H From the Moon 5L Me is in the 8H aspected by 12L Saturn from 6H (aspect from Jupiter is saving grace but as 2L and 11L the benefit is reduced a bit) 5L Me is at the edge of the sign at 0 deg 59' From 5H as Lagna(Pisces) 5H is Cancer Posited by natural malefic Sa who is also 12L 5L Moon is in 12H 5L in 12H has gone 8 houses away Karaka Ju is in 3H aspected by Mars Saptamsha (D-7) LL of D-7 Mercury is debilitated in the 7H (Me was also the 5L from the Moon in D-1) 5L of D-7, Sa is in 9H but aspected by 8L Mars By means of Navamsha-Tulya-Rashi,(like principle) Ju has moved 8 houses away in Saptamsha compared to D-1 (Taurus in D-1, Sagittarius in D-7) (Using same principle in D-7 as we can in D-9 just for this domain). Dasha-Bhukti of miscarriage was Sa-Ke. Sa is malefic in 9H (5th fromr 5th) also 12L from Moon, 12L from 5H. If we give Ketu Scorpio lordship, Ke is 5L from Dasha Lord Saturn hence indicating possible significant 5H event. Ke's dispositor is Mars who is in the 12H conjunct 12L Venus and ofcourse Rahu. In D-7 again as seen before Sa is 5L, aspected by 8L Mars. Ketu's dispositor is debilitated D-7 lord Mercury. Transits also probably added to the problem. Regards, -Manoj viswa sai <avadhutasai Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:04:19 AMRe: Re: Retrograde planet Dear Sunilji and Neelamji , Great predictions with high (99%) accuracy. It is really great moment to discuss with you all and again pushing myself towards the Astrology books. Yes, I too agree with your words. I do follow strictly your policy. I would like to provide some information, which could be useful for discussion or knowledge. When I retrospect, my brain always thinks "Spiritually inclined (need a guru, who can guide me) at the same time looking for power and position with a good justification (help to people who have the eudcation/money problems I faced)". I donot know how these two qualities would be get along. Thats the reason I would like to learn more about the past spiritual progress, what are the limitations i have to achieve. Education: During Rahu dasa, I was very clever and easy to learn so many things (up to 7th standard) When entered into JUP dasa, I was continuted same as before but with no focus (reduced my concentration, obviously affects the progress curve. But JUP-VEN dasa, was cream period for me, when i was in BS with distinction. Then, M.Sc finished with good percentage too. Jup-Rahu dasa was really very bad period, when i wandered for opportunities with confusion. no help........ . Astrology: I was starting learn Astrology (with my innate intelligence) (1989 onwards), with out Guru or any one of my family members. Reading lots of Astrology books (spent huge amounts) and had opportunity to discuss with Astrologers, reading horoscopes and did prediction accurately. I worshiped Gaytri Devi (after my thread cermoney), which helps me to increase my concentration and also huge impact on the accuracy of my predictions. When I recall my thrust on Astrology, i ever feel that if I have Guru, i would florish. Not only Astrology, even in my studies also, I have good relations with many Professors, who are at highest positions but they do not have time to spend with me Due to Jup-Rahu (I stopped doing Gayatri), away from astrology (due to PhD course). Never had any spiritual experience.. .. "That means Venus has taken a lead over all the factors related to Jupiter? or influence of retrograde Jupiter" As you mention, Saturn Mahadasa showed me a path where to go: Higher Education with Bhagya, then did my PhD, moved to States and Canada. I would like to make this more clear like sub-dasa Saturn-Saturn: Joined in Indian Govt Research Institute for PhD with fellowship but had difficulties from people but continuous support from my Professor but again never taught me any thing, all are my self-learning process.... Saturn-Budha: met my wife and marriage. (my wife is also a researcher, ultimate prediction accuracy by Mr.Neelamji) , Saturn-Ketu: awarded my doctorate, had abortion, when transit Saturn moved over Cancer, got my Postdoc in USA. Spiritual Progress: My wife introduced Shiridi Baba to me, this was my point of introduction towards the spiritual growth. I was starting understand what is meaning of spiritualism. When we moved to USA, I was compeltely devoted my time towards the reading all great sages/avadhootas/ siddhas life histories. I met Sri Viswayogi viswamji in USA (experienced as he is elevated soul and the same mentioned in Sri GuruCharitra on How do you find a true Guru) and started research and development of a VISWASAI blog: www.viswasai. blogspot. com. Now I worship Lord Dattatreya. We both (my wife and me) discuss about the spiritual laws, progress and etc. We have good understanding on worldly and spiritual matters, this might be reason of "Jupiter" ® Saturn-Venus: Again moved from USA to Canada, babygirl, bought vehicle, no problem with job but looking for a position as Assistant Professor or Scientisit. Sri Viswayogi Vismji visited my place during 7th moth of pregnancy period and blessed baby. Due to some reasons/forces, my spiritaul path has changed and trying to find a live GURU (karma), leaving the fundamentals. ...... Away from the basics I learned and cannot able to spend my time for updating VISWASAI blog. This tells me how karma or planetary conditions has direct impact on human life. Great leason for me. Saturn-Ravi: Still applying for Asst.Prof/Scientist positions in Govt and Universities. Getting promising connections with big people from Govt as well as Universities. But I donot know when I am going to succeed in this???????. .... Now again trying to back to my SADHANA, going to meet SriViswaYogi viswamji again in coming August. These all are the lessons I learned and try not to follow the mistakes again.... I believe that if I succeess in SADHANA (spiritual) then only i could raise even in profession also..., the inner-essence of this thought is also supporting my thrust towards Spiritual progress, When?? My cordial respects to the God or Nature, what ever we feel as supreme, Note: I am not promoting any one in this letter, I tried to share my experiences only. So that we would able to discuss with clarity. I hope this seems to be within your policy conditions. With my best regards Kumar --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planetancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, July 24, 2009, 4:55 AM Dear Kumar ji U shud think that this grp as policy dont discuss personal charts esp which includes of predicting nature ur question was abt spiritual progress and 5th Lord and retro jup so ur lagna is rising with sarpa drekkana ( it also denotes Kundlini -in meditations ) and dasa Lord sani also in sarpa drekana the lagna ,5th and 9th Houses some way of related can show sudden success in spiritual journeys ( lagna Lord is aspecting jup the 5th L and dasa of sani is running who is also in 9th house ) sani in 9th is one of the pointers of parivrajya yoga too ,so some traits of spiritual activities will b in chart ,also moon -jup kendra position is Gaja kesari yoga (again got diluted by retro jup ) ,also it is 5th and 9th Lords .planets in dasa operating in kama trikona ( 3/7/11) generaly will not support spiritual progress unless there is real traits in chart ur santana karaka jup is retro ,and sukla karaka venus is highly afflicted ,so can giv problems in child bearing ,rest depends on whole influence in chart wich needs heavy analsysis and then dasa patterns marriage karaka and 7th L afflicted ( along with 12th Lordships of venus ) need not giv good relationships in married life ..frm moon also 7th L is in 8th House ,but i generaly blvs jup as a benefic in 7th can giv some reliefs .as regrds to ur profession 10th L sun is with merc and mercurian professions will suit u and sun also givn amsa in gemini another mercurian rasi frm moon mars is givn amsa in vrichika ( as 10th L ) and it again may b some thing involved technical work ( as there is millions of profession in world i am not well informed abt it ) also dasa Lord sani in 9th house of videsha stana and long distance travel ,it may show in distance lands ,transit sani and jup not comfortable may show some tensions too as regrds to profession ( which u can giv feed backs ) ,also 10th L s frm lagna and moon and sun is in jala rasies showing mostly out of country and even some professions related to it ..(U hav to use ur brain and thinking here .)here today only i cud able to giv some time on all my personal work and my passion called astrology ,and i did not read ur chart in full as due to time constriants and constant ringing of telephone .hope this superficial analysis will help u to finlayse ur doubts in dasa benefics even if retro need not giv bad results where as malefics can b dangerous depending on strnght in chart ( this is the general rule i follow for retrograde planets - ) ,other wise avasta ,mood ,alertness etc along with 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkan etc need to b scrutinised along with dasa promises in chart .ur moon is in parivarthan with sani and i blv this is good ( means acts mildly than expected ).and may b better in dasa too .pls note that i am not predicting for ur chart and just giving some opinions and adding my 2 paisa for the discussion .hope this helps rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nair,>  > Sure, I will provide all the details, I went through during Jupiter Maha dasa. First let me give your openion on my horoscope based on that we will discuss progress of education, marriage and etc related....>  > if you need any more details, feel free to ask me.> Regards> Kumar> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:19 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear anoop ji> > can u post those data 's with u> > Otherwise it is also a sort of raja yoga which is givn by connection between trikona and kendra Positions .> I hope dr Kumar ji also will post his exprnce and opinions on juperian retrogradation and dasa effects ( if at all he has passed tru the dasa )> > My humble opinion is retrogradtion and placement and dasa s has to b seen first seperately and then shud b combined in dasa s and individual exprnce of the nativ .Otherwise benefic in 7th is good and jup is better tho such placemnt is in a way inferior for jup ( i hope i am using right word ) as jup is getting digbala in lagna and hence 7th is astamaya ( setting sign )> > Without whole chart a individual observations based on his chart cannot b validated ,due to fact that birth time and quality of time ( day birth or nite birth ,strnght of sun and moon etc will rule the strnght of chart ,without seeing it jumping for conclusion is simply a waiste ) .Here we r sure that he is day birth as his lagna is scorpio and sun has to in 5th House or abov for giving jup retro efffect frm jupiterian placement ,so it is possible only when lagna is scopio it is day birth .> > if he can support the views with chart details it will b highly appreciated> > rgrds sunil nair> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Manoj Ji,> >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> >> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> >> >> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi All,> >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> >> >> >> > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> >> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> >> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> >> >> >  > >> >> >> > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> >> > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> >> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> >  > >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >> >  > > Dear Friends,> >> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> >> >> > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> >> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> >> > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> >> >> > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> >> >> >> >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> >> > Regards / Dhananjayan> >> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> >> > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2009 dear shri sunil nairji, I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna. so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart. good wishes, k.gopu --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM Dear KumarjiThanks for ur post dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences ..rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Manoj,>  > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.>  > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.>  > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)>  > Any more observation, pl let me know>  > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...>  > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.>  > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......>  > Regards> Kumar> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@.. . wrote:> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@.. .> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,>  > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> found this as bad placement for one's child.> It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.>  > Thanks & regards,> Anoop.> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,>  > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> >  > > > > > > > Hi All,>  > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.>  > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.>  > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.>  > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.>  > Pl do reply>  > Thanks> Kumar> > > > viswasai> www.viswasai. blogspot. com> "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >  > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….>  > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.>  > Here is another:>  > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam>  > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.>  > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:>  > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal>  > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).>  > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz>  > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.>  > Regards,>  >  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >  > Dear Friends,> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > Regards / Dhananjayan> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> >> >> > > >Dear Friends,> > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > >> >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> >> >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> >> > > >Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Get your preferred Email name!> Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2009 Dear Gopu ji,//if u take 5th lord from moon mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities. It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.RegardsNeelam2009/7/25 K Gopu <kgopu_24  dear shri sunil nairji, I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna. so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.  good wishes, k.gopu  --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Retrograde planet Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM  Dear KumarjiThanks for ur post dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences ..rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Manoj, >  > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.>  > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House. >  > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord) >  > Any more observation, pl let me know>  > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...>  > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus. >  > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......>  > Regards> Kumar> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@.. . wrote:> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@.. . > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,>  > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have > found this as bad placement for one's child.> It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.>  > Thanks & regards,> Anoop.> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,>  > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet > >  > > > > > > > Hi All,>  > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. >  > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.>  > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.>  > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this. >  > Pl do reply>  > Thanks> Kumar> > > > viswasai> www.viswasai. blogspot. com> " A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision " . > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >  > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….>  > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories. >  > Here is another:>  > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam>  > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.>  > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:>  > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal >  > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so " forget " the matter. (This " forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). >  > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz>  > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. >  > Regards,>  >  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >  > Dear Friends,> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799 > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > Regards / Dhananjayan> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!! > > " ancient indian_astrology " <ancient_indian_ astrology>> >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> >> >> > > >Dear Friends,> > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local " panditji " astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > >> >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> >> >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time. > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> >> >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of " feeling good " about each other. Let us be each others " worst critic " . Let us hold each others " feet to the fire " .  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this " Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia " for what it is. > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> >> > > >Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Get your preferred Email name!> Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 dear Neelamji, sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and not as I mentioned. thanks, regards, k.gopu--- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Retrograde planet Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM Dear Gopu ji,//if u take 5th lord from moon mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.RegardsNeelam 2009/7/25 K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> dear shri sunil nairji, I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations. since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna. so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart. good wishes, k.gopu --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planetancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM Dear KumarjiThanks for ur post dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> > Dear Manoj,>  > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.>  > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.>  > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)>  > Any more observation, pl let me know>  > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue... >  > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.>  > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......>  > Regards> Kumar > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@.. . wrote:> > > anoop singh aks_anoop@.. . > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, >  > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> found this as bad placement for one's child.> It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.>  > Thanks & regards,> Anoop. > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,>  > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj >  > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> >  > > > > > > > Hi All, >  > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics. >  > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life. >  > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue. >  > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.>  > Pl do reply >  > Thanks> Kumar> > > > viswasai> www.viswasai. blogspot. com> "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > >  > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji, > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….>  > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.>  > Here is another: >  > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam>  > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk, > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form. >  > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar: >  > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal >  > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride). >  > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz>  > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run. >  > Regards,>  >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >  > Dear Friends,> > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become “nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge). > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan. > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> >> >> > > >Dear Friends,> > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > >> >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that > >> >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> >> >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> >> > > >Regards,> > -Manoj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Get your preferred Email name!> Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Retrograde planet> > Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue...> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Namaskara sir Thanks for sharing ur chart in group Let me share a chart i know of the same year - same lagana so must be more interesting for you as you are studying astrology - ie the only reason for sharing also. I understand the key difference from the chart is the 9th house and 8th house. Before that a few points for your spirituality from your chat - Saturn is ur atmakarak and in in 9th house Ketu and Venus are in mutal kendras all this give u the strength and power to take up strong sadana or in profession research. . Troubles after birth must be due to Rahu in 12th - with lagna lord there - yes jupiters aspect is the biggest saving grace with vagottama moon which keep u happy internaly - ie a mind which helps u to come out of all odds I believe ur married life must be good thou venus is with Mars and Rahu - in navamsha it is with Jupiter in meena - other than a few arguments noting serious i believe - Can u plz clarfy? if you can asking from curiousity Now coming to the chart Rajeev Date of birth is 10 July 1976 time of birth is 3.15 pmPlace of birth is Ernakulam Kerala The native is yet to be married - arranged marriage - did not even thing of love marriage. Have not gone out of the state he is born - Completed the graduation - now trying to get MBA Would like to know your opinion - if u feel to Regards Nandana 2009/7/24 viswa sai < Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear learned members, I have retrograde ju in 5th house. What are its implications? MY details are: 26-08-1974, 11Am, Delhi. I wish to inquire about my job or business prospects as well? Best regards Deepak Moderator's Note: May be discussed as relevant to Retrograde planet in 5H. NO predictions to be given as a policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2009 Dear Suni Ji, I completely agree with your points. For a scoprio Lagna native Jupiter is an extremely auspicious planet and hence may be there is some "strangeness" in behaviour due its retrograde nature but definitely will produce beneficial results, especially since placed in Kendra. This is the reason why I analyzed the 5H prospects from all different angles to show that just one or two factors alone gould not have produced the miscarriage that happened. Also there was a comment about natives with 5L in 7L having abortions. I felt this also cannot be just applied as a general rule either and hence the analysis. Also, so far, I have seen in all cases know, abortion/miscarriage seems to have Mars or Ketu involved with 5L and/or Jupiter.. I also agree with you that a Retrograde malefic is very dangerous. Classics have said clearly that retrograde planets are "powerful", we can also see they "appear closer to Earth" and hence may have greater influence. Also if we take Nadi philosophy of Retrograde planets also aspecting from previous house it makes sense that since a Malefic aspecting more houses can create more problems as well. I have read some thing to the following effect from the Manasagari: "A benefic placed in the 8th house aspected by a Retrograde Malefic, kills the child in his early years". I dont have the exact quote, but the above sentence is very close. This clearly highlights the evil effects of retrograde malefics. Also my own son has this exact above combination, Taurus Lagna, 2L Me in 8H, aspected by 9L, 10L Saturn from Gemini. Despite Saturns auspicious house lordships, my son being born in Me dasha, has produced this "modified balarishta" effect exactly as stated above in Mansagari. Regards, -Manoj sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:48:19 PM Re: Retrograde planet dear gopu ji Thanks for ur messages For considering various Lagna s like Original Lagna , Moon lagna or sun Lagna there is certain rules one such rules is aspect of jup also there is life period where each lagna become more activ so according to Kerala traditions Moon lagna will b more activ only when Nativ complets atleast 30 to 32 ,and here we r discussing abt some events also which happened b4 that if both lagna is strong ( i mean both Lagna and moon sign ) it is always safe to see both Lagna's together and assess details when nativ complete the said period ( i mean after 30-32 yrs ) Hope i am clear here as rgrds to Jup will destroy the house it stays is not a vaidika ,arsha astrology atleast ,even nadies highlited jup as jeeva karaka ,More over if u see classifications of Gaja kesari yoga if jup is kendra too moon or even frm Lagna also giv it ( means dont we see Logic here --means jup has a blessing power which can protect nativ if it is wel placed and also bestows status ( raja yoga ) otherwise the retro status of a Karaka has a gr8 say in assessing the results of said karaka ( all texts says retro planets has high chesta bala -but it shud b calculated for longitivity calculations ) here i blv we shud take Placement of a planet for all life ( means for assessing the strnght and weakness of the charts and its total promises ) ,Lord and karaka for knowing anubhava for nativ and for see frutifications we can see dasa s but still i hold my opinion as natural malefics is bad in dasa when they r retrograded ( unless other relieving factors r there ) ,sure we shud take the bhava results also of the said planet ,so for Makara nativs retro jup in 7th need not b a good dasa due to fact that they r 3rd and 12 the Lord too .But his placement in 7th is good for protecting the house significations ,but i am open to charts and discussions in grp and let us see it collectivly ,let us close one concept or misconcept abt jup ( also other benefics when retrograded ) if grp is interested ( only problem is i hav time constraints ) rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Neelamji,> sorry for the error I have committed. Yes merc is 5thand 8th lord and> not as I mentioned.> thanks, > regards,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote:> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:17 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji,> > //if u take 5th lord from moon > mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a goodspouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun.//> > I think there is some problem here. Mer is his 5L/8L in 8H, not 7H with Sun. > > From moon again his 8H is strong, indicating a focus and inclination for 8H activities.> It is aspected by rashish saturn, from 6H and 2/11L retro Jup from 4H.> > That is why we can see him doing research, astrology, etc.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/25 K Gopu kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >  > > > > > > > > > dear shri sunil nairji,> I used Jhora to cast Sri.kumar's horoscope. I share my observations.> since the chart has vargottama moon, I feel moon is stronger than lagna.> so from moon retro jup is in kendra it is in krithikka nakshtra. His jupiter > maha dasa ended when he was 23yrs old. The native must have got> a good educational background during this dasa, . if u take 5th lord from moon> mercury is 7th along with sun. this should have helped him in getting a good> spouse who is bit dominating in nature because of presence of sun. I am > awaiting for learned members contribution on this retro jup chart.>  > good wishes,> k.gopu> >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Retrograde planet> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 24, 2009, 12:45 PM> > >  > > > > Dear Kumarji> > Thanks for ur post > > dont u see jup is 5th L ( putra stanathipathi ) and retro ( means a sort of retrying here ) and the shukla karaka venus is highly afflicted means it can hav a say in quality of beeja ( sure whole chart shud b scrutinised for this to declare ) ,also dasa s operating at the time after seeing the trends tru chart > > u said ur sani dasa is running ,can u tell the grp how is jup dasa for u ,also sure 5th House rules mantra stana and past merits ,so it has a say in this births spiritual inclinations .But the success in it will b decided by past merits and dasas and strnght of chart along with ur efforts u put in here for such activities ( i mean spiritual upliftmnt) > > sure Guru is also gurukarka and in ur case it has givn amsa in panchamsa too ( rasi tulya as pisces is 5th house frm scorpio ) > > pls describe ur guru dasa and exprences .> > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, viswa sai <avadhutasai@ ...> wrote:> >> > > Dear Manoj,> >  > > Thanks for acceptance to discuss. Since it is my own horoscope, its a real-time experience for me to observe every aspect very closely.> >  > > My lagna is Scorpio, Jupiter (2nd and 5th L) placed in 7th House.> >  > > 1. 5th L in 7th house - Love marriage and foreign settlement.> > 2. As mentioned by Anoopji, we had a abortion in 4th month (this is new point for me)> > 3. Foreign settlement (5th L in 7th house and 7th L (Venus) in 12th (Libra) along with Rahu and Mars (Lagna lord)> >  > > Any more observation, pl let me know> >  > > 4. My concern is more of retrogration of planet and also 5th house could explain the spiritual inclination/ progess) - I would like to learn more about this..., Are there any more houses are responsible for this issue....> > >  > > In Navamsa (D9), Lagna is Saggitarus, Jupiter ® in pisces (4th House) with exalted Venus.> >  > > Rightnow, Saturn-Ravi dasa going on......> >  > > Regards> > Kumar> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, anoop singh aks_anoop@ . wrote:> > > > > > anoop singh aks_anoop@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 1:47 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > >  > > I want to give my opinion on 5th lord placement in 7th house.> > Jatakadeshmarg suggests that this placement is bad for spuse but in my experience I have> > found this as bad placement for one's child.> > It may be anyone of abortion, premature death or depending upon the nature of the planet.> >  > > Thanks & regards,> > Anoop.> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:14 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Kumar,> >  > > Since this is a discussion group, and since you have already some knowledge on Jyotish, please give us your opinion on this first. What do you think will be the effect of 5L Jupiter in the 7H? If the retro status is confusing, set that aside for now and just give us, what you think will be the results of 5L Jupiter in 7H? Then the group can help wit the discussion from there.> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viswa sai <avadhutasai@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:46:40 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Retrograde planet> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > >  > > Very interesting discussions and sharing of knowledge. If any one helps me on the below topics.> > >  > > I would like to know more about how a retrograde planet could influence a person's life.> > >  > > In the past discussions between members, I find 5th position and lord could explain the past spiritual status. In my chart (scorpio lagna), 5th lord Jupiter (Retrograde) in 7th house. Could you explain this issue.> > >  > > Sorry, Let me introduce myself, my name is Dr.Kumar, learned vedic astrology as my passion and god grace. I am more interested to learn more about the issues, which could be learn more easily by discussing with people rather than studying books. I didnot find good books on this.> >  > > Pl do reply> > >  > > Thanks> > Kumar> > > > > > > > viswasai> > www.viswasai. blogspot. com> > "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".> > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:23 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji,> > > > > Let us transalate that beautiful quote of Kannadasan for every one:> > > > IraNdu manam vENdum, Iraivanidam Ketten, ninaithu vaazha onru, marandhu vaazha onru….> >  > > I need two hearts, I prayed to God, One to live with (sweet) memories another to forget (bitter) memories.> >  > > Here is another:> > >  > > Kamam Kopam Mokam Kondavan, Pesa Therinda Mirugam,> > Anbu, Panivu, Karunai Kondavan, Manitha Vadivil Deivam> >  > > One who has heart full of Lust (Kamam), Anger (Kopam), Infatuation (Mokam), is an Animal who can Talk,> > > One who is filled with Anbu (Love), Panivu (Humility) & Karunai (Compassion) , is Divine Walking In Human Form.> > >  > > Here is one from the Great Sage Thiruvalluvar:> > >  > > Inna Saythari Oruthal, Avar Naaana Nannayam Seidhu Vidal> > >  > > If some one does an evil deed towards you, return the favour with so much Good back to them, that they will feel ashamed of their Evil. After doing so "forget" the matter. (This "forget' has great import, not only the Sage advises to forget the evil done to us, he also wants us to forget the Good we did in return, so that we wont be inflated with pride).> > >  > > Orutharku Orunalai Inbam, Porutharkku Ponrum Thunayum Pukagz> >  > > The person who retaliates against the wrong doer gets instant pleasure for the moment, But for one who has the Forebearance, Tolerance and Self Restraint, will be crowned with Success and everlasting Glory in the long Run.> > >  > > Regards,> >  > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:02:11 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > > > >  > > Dear Friends,> > > > http://groups/ . / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22799> > > > > > http://groups. ..com/ group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 22839> > > > I under stand from the above two messages that the paths to destinations are different but dwells on the same subject advocate exercising caution> > > > Here I see with his sUkshama buddhi (sagaciousness) welcomed the former and condemned the latter.. That is Mr.Manoji, he has Rahu in his forth house aspected by Guru ; he is qualified to become â€Å"nyaayAthipathy�( neethiman /Judge).> > > > > > > IraNdu manam vENdum ninaithu vaazha onru marundhu vaazha onru….> > > > > > > >                                           - Courtesy Tamil poet Kavi.Kannadhaasan.> > > > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Scoundrels, Bottom Feedes and Jyotish !!!> > >To: "ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > >Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 8:16 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Friends,> > > Just yesterday night I received a phone call from my poor Mother who was calling to tell me that her local "panditji "astrologer in Chennai (India) was telling her that it was a bad time for the entire familly since the Eclipse was happening in Pushya (my nak), Aslesha (by son) and my father (Hasta !!!) and hence the whole family is affected and hence he needs several thousand Rupees to do Yagyas. !!! > > >> > >Instantly I told my mother she needs to prostrate before this Great New Avatar of Maha Vishnu (this Panditji) because he has discovered that> > > >> > >1. A Graha can be posited in MORE than one Nakshatra at one time.> > >2. More, by some twisted, multi dimensional, time space manipulation, such Nakshatras can be in different Rashis (not even adjacent ones).> > >> > >Such is the state of such Scoundrels and Bottom Feeders, feeding on the gullible and desperate public to fleece them. Dear Friends, this is not a time to waste on petty quarrels and arguments. Let us not waste time on learning things superficially. Let us not just pat each other on the back for the sake of "feeling good" about each other. Let us be each others "worst critic". Let us hold each others "feet to the fire".  Whatever be our methods, whichever be our race, nationality, language, creed,  let us learn this divine science thoroughly and sincerely and invoke the blessings of Lord Ganesh and Unmask this "Modern Vedic Astrology Mafia" for what it is.> > > > > > If we dont, Sanatan Dharma will become San Tan Adharma. !!!> > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get your preferred Email name!> > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
