Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

July 3, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

Thanks for the clarifications and for the basic explanation of 'Arizona divorce

Laws'.

You are right....

.......//Also since we both believe in the law of Karma, is there really any body

who is really innocent in this world? Isn't it because we have invited our Karma

that precisely we are able to read the destiny in the chart?//

Exactly...beautifully expressed!

blessings,

Renu

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Deaer Renu Ji,

>

> He is my friend but I am not sympathetic to him at all as you can see that he

has a very strong chart. Also let me explain the " ugly divorce " comment. In

general divorce is very common in the USA. In Arizona 60% of marriages end in

divorce. The term " ugly " is reserved to situations where some thing " out of the

ordinary " has occurred. Regarding the financial aspect here also some cultural

issues need to be addressed.

>

> Arizona is a " community property state " . This means that all property, cash,

valuables, investments etc that the " couple " earn after marriage, needs to be

split 50/50 after divorce. Hence what this meeans is that for example if a woman

is a house wife taking care of the child, she gets half of what the couple own,

plus the husband needs to pay money towards child custody. On top of this

husband also has to pay alimony (if the wife is NOT working or working for very

low pay). So above is the " normal " judgement by the Court. So if the husband

ends up paying more than 50/50 then I would consider it " financial loss " . If he

pays less than 50/50 then I would consider it " financial gain " . Alimony usually

goes for 5 years. Child support until children turn 18 (unless wife's earnings

catch up rapidly and becomes equal to husbands).

>

> There are also many exceptions to the above where many women earn more than

their husbands and hence the reverse case is also applicable.

>

> Also since we both believe in the law of Karma, is there really any body who

is really innocent in this world? Isn't it because we have invited our Karma

that precisely we are able to read the destiny in the chart?

>

> Regards,

>

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> renunw <renunw

>

> Thursday, July 2, 2009 7:18:03 PM

> Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

Outcome

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> //He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody

> battle.//

>

> This sentence and " will he gain financially. ... " ... " the custody of the

kids.... " ... .

>

> .......all the above made me think that the native is the innocent party

according to your thinking. He is your friend and from your mail I could infer

some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...

>

> Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio from Aries

[7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.

>

> I may be wrong.....let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu Ji,

> >

> > Some how I missed this comment of yours.

> >

> > " I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. "

> >

> > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you that impression? I was trying

to be very careful and not give any indications one way or the other.

> >

> > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to claim that

the native is the " innocent " party.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > renunw <renunw@>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody

Outcome

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> >

> > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's questions on this

chart. You should be correct....I think his post makes us assume that the native

is the innocent party.

> >

> > So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse...once again Ve, Sun combo in the 8H,

this time that of the spouse... Interesting.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > >

> > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows secret

> > > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.

> > > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather than

native's,

> > > if other conditions also prevail.

> > > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart fits to

group's

> > > > earlier discussion below:

> > > >

> > > > // " if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as lagna

> > > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I should not

> > > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or any other

girl

> > > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any

> > > > number of relationships in his/her life.//

> > > >

> > > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in Scorpio, the

> > > > house of secrets...

> > > >

> > > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not

> > > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since

our

> > > > group is very active.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.

> > > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

> > > > >

> > > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody

> > > > battle.

> > > > >

> > > > > Interesting questions for the group are:

> > > > >

> > > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

> > > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife

> > > > (soon to be ex-wife)?

> > > > >

> > > > > A bonus question is :

> > > > >

> > > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened

in

> > > > 2006)?

> > > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

> > > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is

also

> > > > welcome.

> > > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if

I

> > > > can.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New

> > > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

> > > > >

> > > > > If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@

> > > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 3, 2009

Dear Sir,

I am trying to understand this chart. So far, all my attempt to understand

any chart has failed. But nothing wrong in trying.

I have decided not to look at the different replies posted so far.

_______________

The person appears to be wealthy with intermittent problems.

Reason : 11L Sun is in 2H. Sun is in good house and it is vargottama.

Sun gives sufficient wealth with some hiccups. Also, LL & 8H Venus

is there. On negative side, 2H lords ..Ketu is on lagna and Mars is in 12H.

However, overall significance looks stronger. And I expect the financial

aspect is favorable after divorce.

Custody : 5L is in 5H..strong. In navamsha it moves to Ge which is 9H

to lagna..(videsh). My guess is the child will move away to some foreign

land with his/her mother. But visiting right by father will remain there.

(we have been told that wife is from S America... may be that is playing

in my mind)

Court battle : The 3rd & 6th lord Jup is exalted but retro. It is in 10H...

However, it is backed by 10th lord Moon in 9H (Nadi principle).

It will try its level best to win the case, however, sudden reversal

in expected result might do happen.

Wife's profession :

I am not even trying....

regards

P L Chakraborty

Manoj Chandran [chandran_manoj]Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:49 AMancient indian_astrology Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle.

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

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July 3, 2009

Dear Manoj Chandran,

I am trying to answer your quiz, though late due to constraint of time. I think you will not mind it.The lagna is Tula occupied by Mercury and Ketu,

Sun and Venus in Scorpio, 2nd house, Saturn in 5th,Aquarius, Moon and Gulika in 9th, Jupiter in 10th retro, Mars in 12th in Virgo.Dasha running is Saturn/Jupiter/Ketu. In navamsha chart Saturn is posited in 4th house in the sign of Mercury, Gemini, Jupiter with Rahu in 8th, Ketu in 2nd . It indicates that the divorce is confirm.

So far as custody of child is concern, 5th lord is posited in 5th, no benefic planet in kendra from 5th and aspecting 5th, Sun and Venus are posited in 10th from 5th, and dispositor, Mars in 12th, and in navamsha in 12th, in the sign of Saturn, Aquarius and Saturn is aspecting 5th in transit, Jupiter in retro in 4th house, 12th from 5th with Rahu indicating the native not have the custody of the child.

The financial gain or loss from divorce is concerned, the native will voluntarily forego the gain as there is relation of Jupiter ® in 9th and Ketu in lagna, Moon is also in 9th house with Gulika. If we take Ketu, Mercury, Moon, Gulika, Jupiter, Saturn in one direction there will be mixed results as both malefic and benefic planets are present.

The profession of wife is concerned, she has good status and is in the line of guide, teacher, consultant or advisor and the like. After 2006, when Ketu came in the direction of the Saturn and Moon, she changed her job.

I am not commenting on the character of the native or his wife as the native is having Ketu(Saint) and Mercury in lagna, and exalted Jupiter in 10th. The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates

These are my humble observations.

Regards--- On Thu, 7/2/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome"ancient indian_astrology" Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:48 AM

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle.

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

July 3, 2009

Dear Kursija Ji,

Thanks for your comments. You are not late, you have until July 9th to complete.. I have not digested your reply fully but can you clarify some thing for me, please?

"The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates".

When you say Rahu (Big) do you mean Rahu's role as an amplifier?

When you say Mars in the 12th sign of mercury, from the 7th Mars is in the 6th (from the wife's point of view). Am I missing some thing?

Regards,

-Manoj

S.C. Kursija <sckursija Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 8:26:31 AMRe: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj Chandran,

I am trying to answer your quiz, though late due to constraint of time. I think you will not mind it.The lagna is Tula occupied by Mercury and Ketu,

Sun and Venus in Scorpio, 2nd house, Saturn in 5th,Aquarius, Moon and Gulika in 9th, Jupiter in 10th retro, Mars in 12th in Virgo.Dasha running is Saturn/Jupiter/ Ketu. In navamsha chart Saturn is posited in 4th house in the sign of Mercury, Gemini, Jupiter with Rahu in 8th, Ketu in 2nd . It indicates that the divorce is confirm.

So far as custody of child is concern, 5th lord is posited in 5th, no benefic planet in kendra from 5th and aspecting 5th, Sun and Venus are posited in 10th from 5th, and dispositor, Mars in 12th, and in navamsha in 12th, in the sign of Saturn, Aquarius and Saturn is aspecting 5th in transit, Jupiter in retro in 4th house, 12th from 5th with Rahu indicating the native not have the custody of the child.

The financial gain or loss from divorce is concerned, the native will voluntarily forego the gain as there is relation of Jupiter ® in 9th and Ketu in lagna, Moon is also in 9th house with Gulika. If we take Ketu, Mercury, Moon, Gulika, Jupiter, Saturn in one direction there will be mixed results as both malefic and benefic planets are present.

The profession of wife is concerned, she has good status and is in the line of guide, teacher, consultant or advisor and the like. After 2006, when Ketu came in the direction of the Saturn and Moon, she changed her job.

I am not commenting on the character of the native or his wife as the native is having Ketu(Saint) and Mercury in lagna, and exalted Jupiter in 10th. The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates

These are my humble observations..

Regards--- On Thu, 7/2/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:48 AM

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle.

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

July 3, 2009

Dear Chakraborty Ji,

Thank you for your comments and attempt.

Regards,

-Manoj

"CHAKRABORTYP2" <CHAKRABORTYP2 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 3:57:28 AMRE: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Sir,

I am trying to understand this chart. So far, all my attempt to understand

any chart has failed. But nothing wrong in trying.

I have decided not to look at the different replies posted so far.

____________ ___

The person appears to be wealthy with intermittent problems.

Reason : 11L Sun is in 2H. Sun is in good house and it is vargottama.

Sun gives sufficient wealth with some hiccups. Also, LL & 8H Venus

is there. On negative side, 2H lords ..Ketu is on lagna and Mars is in 12H.

However, overall significance looks stronger. And I expect the financial

aspect is favorable after divorce.

Custody : 5L is in 5H..strong. In navamsha it moves to Ge which is 9H

to lagna..(videsh) . My guess is the child will move away to some foreign

land with his/her mother. But visiting right by father will remain there.

(we have been told that wife is from S America... may be that is playing

in my mind)

Court battle : The 3rd & 6th lord Jup is exalted but retro. It is in 10H...

However, it is backed by 10th lord Moon in 9H (Nadi principle).

It will try its level best to win the case, however, sudden reversal

in expected result might do happen.

Wife's profession :

I am not even trying....

regards

P L Chakraborty

Manoj Chandran [chandran_ manoj ]Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:49 AMancient indian_astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle.

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can..

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

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July 3, 2009

Dear Mohit Ji,

Those are interesting comments. I am not sure if Renu ji had the exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response. However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed we can come back and analyze it.

In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your conclusion?

How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?

Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa is also 5th L.. Does this make things better or worse?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Regards,

-Manoj

Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who is also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see from 7th house Mars is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person too, Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcomeancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AMDear Manoj ji,//He is currently going through a very

ugly divorce and child custodybattle.//This sentence and "will he gain financially. ..."..."the custody of the kids...."... .........all the above made me think that the native is the innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and from your mail I could infer some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio from Aries [7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.I may be wrong.....let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Renu Ji,> > Some how I missed this comment of yours.> > "I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. "> > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you

that impression? I was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way or the other.> > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to claim that the native is the "innocent" party.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> > > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. >

> So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse...once again Ve, Sun combo in the 8H, this time that of the spouse... Interesting.> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows secret> > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.> > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather than native's,> > if other conditions also prevail..> > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>> > > > >> >

>> > > Dear Manoj ji,> > >> > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart fits to group's> > > earlier discussion below:> > >> > > //"if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as lagna> > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I should not> > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or any other girl> > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any> > > number of relationships in his/her life.//> > >> > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in Scorpio, the> > > house of secrets...> > >> > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!> > >> > > blessings,> >

>> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not> > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our> > > group is very active..> > > >> > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.> > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA> > > >> > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody> > > battle.> > > >> >

> > Interesting questions for the group are:> > > >> > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?> > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife> > > (soon to be ex-wife)?> > > >> > > > A bonus question is :> > > >> > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in> > > 2006)?> > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.> > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.> > > >> > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also> > > welcome.> > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and

I will confirm if I> > > can.> > > >> > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New> > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).> > > >> > > > If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@> > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > -Manoj> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

July 3, 2009

Dear Deepen Ji,

We are all students here, there is no question of embarassment.

Infact I am glad you posted because right away with your very first point you have made a wonderful contribution. You have used a very important application of the Navamsha that is not used adequately by most astrologers for rectification purposes. You have taken the 7th house of the D-9 as the lagna of the spouse and considered trines form that. If I remember that Jaimini principle correctly a) Planets at lagna in D-9 denote inherent talents already present from previous lives ready to use in this one b) Planets in 5th house denote latent talent that can be developed even without a teacher c) Planets in 9th house denote talent that can be devloped with the help of a teacher.

You have used the above unique methods to determine the career of the spouse. We will wait for the results and learn together, but as you see, you have done so well already !!!

Regards,

-Manoj

deepen thakkar <justcoolout Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 10:28:48 AMRe: Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

ok manojji,i thott this explanation part would reserved for end,as far as my experience in analysis goes it is very limited.Yet presenting my logic although i fear it may sound embarassing when the verdict is out from you..1. regards to wife's profession ,since you havnt given her details fixing seventh house in D-9 as her lagna,in trines we get rahu,mangal, shani ....so her field of interest might be ralting to all this planets,thus i came to a conclusion of her activity with a back drop of crime as such to go..2. as far as his sort of gain/victory i have taken saturn which is quite strong in own rahsi,plus it is conjoined A3 ,its placed 3rd from A/L and also in 3rd House in NAvmansha,also Saturn MD is going for him...If the verdict comes in Jup Antar ,since it is exalted and significator of a child it seems he will get the custody...I hope this clarifies ,regards to U/L

and stuff ,will write the stuff later...i think you wil have to give me a hint whther my assessment is somewhere close by before that...still looking fwd,till than Take Care..--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcomeancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 3 July, 2009, 1:02 AM

Dear Deepen Ji,

Thank you for the analysis. Could you kindly put some astrological details as well for your analysis? I am not doubting your analysis (far from that), I just want every one to learn from it. If it proves accurate, we will all know your thought process and analysis behind it. Ofcourse this is just a request for every one's benifit.

Especially because I am sure more than one person will make an accurate analysis but different types of reasonings and analysis will help us. Since you used UL etc in your analysis (as per your other email) we might learn from your Jaimini based reasoning as well.

Thanks and Regards,

-Manoj

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, July 2, 2009 11:21:08 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

hello manojjii am trying to analyse her spouse profession she was a lawyer(might be a criminal one) or psychiatrist or that stuff involved with studies realted to crime and stuff...her work place would be related to mars...although it is not in the quiz the guy ,your friend would be in software ,complex algorithms or that stuff .....her child would be a daughter for whose custody the battle is fought...if he marries 2nd time,which i think he will it will be a very wonderful relationship ,quite fruitful for him and a very compatible one tooo....the case verdict will be in his favour ,i mean he will get what he was expecting from the court judgement... .good wishesdeepen thakkar...--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcomeancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 2 July, 2009, 11:22 PM

Dear Renu Ji,

Hence my sentence says "gain financially or lose (financially implied)". I am not making a judgement on the real "value" of "gain". Again his marrige is already in pieces so there is nothing he can do at this point to salvage that. Also let us remember at this point we do not yet know "what" or "who" is responsible for the marriage "being in pieces".

I would also like to add that as devastating a divorce is, life goes on after that. So is not divorce followed by poverty worse than divorce followed by a decent life style?

Regards,

-Manoj

renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, July 2, 2009 10:04:06 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj ji,//Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?//What kind of a gain is this even if he gains financially from the divorce when his marriage is in pieces?blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.> > Here is the data of a friend of mine. > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA> > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle. > > Interesting questions for the group are:> > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?> Is he going to win custody

of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?> > A bonus question is :> > What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)? > She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.> The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.> > Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.> Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.> > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).> > If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ ... and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).> > Regards,> > -Manoj>

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July 3, 2009

Dear Renu Ji,

Got some time to read through your post carefully. Very nice and appropriate use of bindus both SAV and BAV to support your arguments.

Regards,

-Manoj

renunw <renunw Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:02:27 PM Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj ji,Let me give a try....The native is Libra lagna and Vimsottari dasha is Sa/Ju/Sa.Saturn a yogakarka for Libra native is placed in the 5H in its moolatrikona sign. Ju is the 6HL exalted and retrograde in the 10H. The dasa of 6HL can take one to courts....and if we take from MD lord Sa, Jupiter is again placed in the 6th from it. Jupiter has given 8AV bindus to its natal position. Hence Jupiter is strong here.6H is losses to spouse and gains to native. 6HL Jupiter aspects its own house. Double transit of Dasa lords Sa & Ju activates natives' 11H of gains. 11H has 34 SAV bindus and Sa & Ju both have contributed 5 each. Since both Sa & Ju are favourable placed in natives chart, I think he will gain 'financially' from this divorce.Coming to children, the same two planets have a say on kids as Sa is the 5HL and Jupiter is putrakaraka. In D/7 LL Sa is in 8H conjunct wit 8HL Sun. 5HL Venus

is debilitated. Hence Saptamsa does not give a good picture as far as children are concerned. May be he will get 50/50 custody of his children.His wife's profession is indicated by the 4H of the native's chart. 4HL Sa is in 5H and 4H is aspected by Jupiter. May be she is a lawyer.I cannot go beyond this....my astro knowledge is very basic.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.> > Here is the data of a friend of mine. > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri,

USA> > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle. > > Interesting questions for the group are:> > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?> Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?> > A bonus question is :> > What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)? > She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.> The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.> > Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.> Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can..> > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).> > If possible

please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ ... and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).> > Regards,> > -Manoj>

July 3, 2009

Dear Chakraborty Ji,

//

Custody : 5L is in 5H..strong. In navamsha it moves to Ge which is 9H

to lagna...(videsh) . My guess is the child will move away to some foreign

land with his/her mother. But visiting right by father will remain there.

(we have been told that wife is from S America... may be that is playing

in my mind)

//

You have used Rashi Tulya Navamsha technique. Just for discussion sake let me ask you:

Jupiter the karaka in Navamsha has now moved to Libra (from 10th house to 1st house) (rashi T Nav).

So this shows his children are coming closer to him ? So 5L and Karaka are showing different

things?

Court battle : The 3rd & 6th lord Jup is exalted but retro. It is in 10H...

However, it is backed by 10th lord Moon in 9H (Nadi principle).

Can you please clarify what the Nadi Principle here is? Is it the fact that you are checking for the strength of

the dispositor when a planet is exalted?

Regards,

-Manoj

"CHAKRABORTYP2" <CHAKRABORTYP2 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 3:57:28 AMRE: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Sir,

I am trying to understand this chart. So far, all my attempt to understand

any chart has failed. But nothing wrong in trying.

I have decided not to look at the different replies posted so far.

____________ ___

The person appears to be wealthy with intermittent problems.

Reason : 11L Sun is in 2H. Sun is in good house and it is vargottama.

Sun gives sufficient wealth with some hiccups. Also, LL & 8H Venus

is there. On negative side, 2H lords ..Ketu is on lagna and Mars is in 12H.

However, overall significance looks stronger. And I expect the financial

aspect is favorable after divorce.

Custody : 5L is in 5H..strong. In navamsha it moves to Ge which is 9H

to lagna..(videsh) . My guess is the child will move away to some foreign

land with his/her mother. But visiting right by father will remain there.

(we have been told that wife is from S America... may be that is playing

in my mind)

Court battle : The 3rd & 6th lord Jup is exalted but retro. It is in 10H...

However, it is backed by 10th lord Moon in 9H (Nadi principle).

It will try its level best to win the case, however, sudden reversal

in expected result might do happen.

Wife's profession :

I am not even trying....

regards

P L Chakraborty

Manoj Chandran [chandran_ manoj ]Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:49 AMancient indian_astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle..

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

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July 4, 2009

Dear Chakroborty Ji,

Also you said:

"So far, all my attempt to understand any chart has failed."

I sincerely think you are highly underestimating your potential and abilities. From your analysis it is clear that you understand the chart just fine. If you say that your "prediction" has failed, that is a totally different story. Accurate prediction comes from lots and lots of experience and lots of failures.

I am sure if you ask the moderators and experienced astrologers in this group, they will tell you they have had numerous wrong predictions too !!!

Regards,

-Manoj

"CHAKRABORTYP2" <CHAKRABORTYP2 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 3:57:28 AMRE: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Sir,

I am trying to understand this chart. So far, all my attempt to understand

any chart has failed. But nothing wrong in trying.

I have decided not to look at the different replies posted so far.

____________ ___

The person appears to be wealthy with intermittent problems.

Reason : 11L Sun is in 2H. Sun is in good house and it is vargottama.

Sun gives sufficient wealth with some hiccups. Also, LL & 8H Venus

is there. On negative side, 2H lords ..Ketu is on lagna and Mars is in 12H.

However, overall significance looks stronger. And I expect the financial

aspect is favorable after divorce.

Custody : 5L is in 5H..strong. In navamsha it moves to Ge which is 9H

to lagna..(videsh) . My guess is the child will move away to some foreign

land with his/her mother. But visiting right by father will remain there.

(we have been told that wife is from S America... may be that is playing

in my mind)

Court battle : The 3rd & 6th lord Jup is exalted but retro. It is in 10H...

However, it is backed by 10th lord Moon in 9H (Nadi principle).

It will try its level best to win the case, however, sudden reversal

in expected result might do happen.

Wife's profession :

I am not even trying....

regards

P L Chakraborty

Manoj Chandran [chandran_ manoj ]Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:49 AMancient indian_astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle..

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

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July 4, 2009

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

Dear Manoj chandan ji,

Namaste.

I would like to take the opportunity to participate in your quiz.I am just a

learner, so allow me to learn from my mistakes.

As I have entered quite late into the discussion, I shall consider the chart

from a slightly different angle.

I notice that native is currently running shani-guru dasha period who are in

nakshatra exchange and placed in 6/8 to each other, hence not favourable.

Furthermore, lagna has paapkartari yoga caused by mars and sun, hence native

will feel lots of frustrations in life etc.

Looking at the varshaphal chart, muntha is in 9th hse aries, which is a dry

firey aggressive sign, with the lord mars placed in the 4th hse scopio with sun

and mercury, which suggests hidden agenda,Mars is placed in 8th hse from aries,

where muntha is placed, again not favourable.

In varsha chart VC,Jupiter, karka for son, is placed in sagitarius (5hse)

together with moon(12L) and venus (3and 10L)rahu is in 6th hse and ketu is

placed 8th from jupiter. In the navamsha of VC, shani venus ketu mercury and

guru are placed in the 6hse-sign sagitarius.

In varsha chart on nov 09, muntha falls in the 8hse taurus, with its lord venus

in the 7th hse. This is a diffcult period with health issues and general

despair.

My perception is that the native may loose financially and also lose custody of

his son to his partner. This maybe due to the native loosing heart and will to

continue with 'mud slinging' in the interests of his son.

I hope I am wrong, and the native is able to move on with dignity.

Warmest regards

Sheevani

> Dear Manoj Chandran,

> I am trying to answer your quiz, though late due to constraint of time. I

think you will not mind it.The lagna is Tula occupied by Mercury and Ketu,

> Sun and Venus in Scorpio, 2nd house, Saturn in 5th,Aquarius, Moon and Gulika

in 9th, Jupiter in 10th retro, Mars in 12th in Virgo.Dasha running is

Saturn/Jupiter/Ketu. In navamsha chart Saturn is posited in 4th house in the

sign of Mercury, Gemini, Jupiter with Rahu in 8th, Ketu in 2nd . It indicates

that the divorce is confirm.

> So far as custody of child is concern, 5th lord is posited in 5th, no benefic

planet in kendra from 5th and aspecting 5th, Sun and Venus are posited in 10th

from 5th, and dispositor, Mars in 12th, and in navamsha in 12th, in the sign of

Saturn, Aquarius and Saturn is aspecting 5th in transit, Jupiter in retro in 4th

house, 12th from 5th with Rahu indicating the native not have the custody of the

child.

> The financial gain or loss from divorce is concerned, the native will

voluntarily forego the gain as there is relation of Jupiter ® in 9th and Ketu

in lagna, Moon is also in 9th house with Gulika. If we take Ketu, Mercury, Moon,

Gulika, Jupiter, Saturn in one direction there will be mixed results as both

malefic and benefic planets are present.

> The profession of wife is concerned, she has good status and is in the line of

guide, teacher, consultant or advisor and the like. After 2006, when Ketu came

in the direction of the Saturn and Moon, she changed her job.

> I am not commenting on the character of the native or his wife as the native

is having Ketu(Saint) and Mercury in lagna, and exalted Jupiter in 10th. The

wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of

Mercury, number of play mates

> These are my humble observations.

> Regards

>

July 4, 2009

Dear Sir,

I am not very thorough with Astrology principles. 'Have read few things, not digested

properly and write whatever comes in mind.

Yes, that was possibly 'Rashi Tulya Navaamsha'. Yes, I have observed

what you have mentioned. Also noticed that 7L & DK in rashi chart moves to

Aqua in navamsha which is 5H & 5L is sitting there.

That observations have confused me.... and I have followed my hunch.

Regarding Nadi principle part, my knowledge is based on one booklet that

I have read (and recently posted the same in the forum few days back). The

booklet suggests that a 'Retrograde' planet can not deliver full result. However

if there is a benefic planet posited in 12H of the retro planet, then the planet

will support the retro planet to deliver the results. Retro Jup gets backing by

Moon in Rasi chart, but not in navamsha chart.

regards

P L Chakraborty

Manoj Chandran [chandran_manoj]Saturday, July 04, 2009 3:17 AM Subject: Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Chakraborty Ji,

//

Custody : 5L is in 5H..strong. In navamsha it moves to Ge which is 9H

to lagna...(videsh) . My guess is the child will move away to some foreign

land with his/her mother. But visiting right by father will remain there.

(we have been told that wife is from S America... may be that is playing

in my mind)

//

You have used Rashi Tulya Navamsha technique. Just for discussion sake let me ask you:

Jupiter the karaka in Navamsha has now moved to Libra (from 10th house to 1st house) (rashi T Nav).

So this shows his children are coming closer to him ? So 5L and Karaka are showing different

things?

Court battle : The 3rd & 6th lord Jup is exalted but retro. It is in 10H...

However, it is backed by 10th lord Moon in 9H (Nadi principle).

Can you please clarify what the Nadi Principle here is? Is it the fact that you are checking for the strength of

the dispositor when a planet is exalted?

Regards,

-Manoj

"CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in" <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 3:57:28 AMRE: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Sir,

I am trying to understand this chart. So far, all my attempt to understand

any chart has failed. But nothing wrong in trying.

I have decided not to look at the different replies posted so far.

____________ ___

The person appears to be wealthy with intermittent problems.

Reason : 11L Sun is in 2H. Sun is in good house and it is vargottama.

Sun gives sufficient wealth with some hiccups. Also, LL & 8H Venus

is there. On negative side, 2H lords ..Ketu is on lagna and Mars is in 12H.

However, overall significance looks stronger. And I expect the financial

aspect is favorable after divorce.

Custody : 5L is in 5H..strong. In navamsha it moves to Ge which is 9H

to lagna..(videsh) . My guess is the child will move away to some foreign

land with his/her mother. But visiting right by father will remain there.

(we have been told that wife is from S America... may be that is playing

in my mind)

Court battle : The 3rd & 6th lord Jup is exalted but retro. It is in 10H...

However, it is backed by 10th lord Moon in 9H (Nadi principle).

It will try its level best to win the case, however, sudden reversal

in expected result might do happen.

Wife's profession :

I am not even trying....

regards

P L Chakraborty

Manoj Chandran [chandran_ manoj ]Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:49 AMancient indian_astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle..

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

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July 4, 2009

yes manojji

since the wife's details not availbale itried to spot the wife's talents fixing 7th H of her husband..there might be many glitches in this as i am assuming this to be his first relationship(as far as committment goes).

I have always found this trines in navmansha=tallents and abilities thing working and quite applicable.This concept of 5th house which can be developed without a teacher and of 9th H can be developed to teacher was new for me and thanks for that ,i will keep that in mind...

always i have found that guys having sun in trines in strength are good Shivbhakts,and also good readers at the same time...

So when i spot a good & voracious reader around me ,i tell him he is a Shivbhakt and most of the time it is confirmed...

PS:I am getting his ascendant LIBRA at 21degrees.

July 4, 2009

Dear Friends,

Just a hurried mail.

For those who may be interested retrograde planets do

give results in full. When and how, is what one must know.

In practical astrology results from Retro planets can be

divided into3 parts.

a) Results from Planet Retro in Natal Chart.

b) Results from Planet Direct in Natal Chart.

c) Results of retro planet in Prashna Chart.

We will take a example planet Jupiter.

1) Suppose Jupiter is retro in ones chart, then whatever

Jupiter signifies in ones chart , he will get the full results

whenever Jupiter gets retro in transit.

2) Vice versa for those with Jupiter direct in their charts.

Whenever Jupiter goes retro in transit, they will feel the

crunch with the significationsof Jupiter in their charts,

and delay and obstacles can be encountered

leading to unexecution of desired goals, till the

Jupiter gets direct again in transit.

3) In Prashna Chart whenever the Ascendant Lord is

in retro condition, and so is the 11th house Lord or the

Karyesh pointing to the Karyasiddhi of the Prashna made,

then the Answer will be a regretful No to the Query given.

Because here the retrogression will fully deny the Karyasiddhi.

One is free to confirm or negate the above experiences,

as per his own. I have no objections.

regards,

Bhaskar.

July 4, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Wow.....It is snippets like the ones you have mailed that I always look for in our forum. They are invaluable and cannot be found easily in the books or web sites. Thanks. and keep them coming.

Regards,

Anita--- On Sat, 4/7/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome Date: Saturday, 4 July, 2009, 5:44 AM

Dear Friends,

Just a hurried mail.

For those who may be interested retrograde planets do

give results in full. When and how, is what one must know.

In practical astrology results from Retro planets can be

divided into3 parts.

a) Results from Planet Retro in Natal Chart.

b) Results from Planet Direct in Natal Chart.

c) Results of retro planet in Prashna Chart.

We will take a example planet Jupiter.

1) Suppose Jupiter is retro in ones chart, then whatever

Jupiter signifies in ones chart , he will get the full results

whenever Jupiter gets retro in transit.

2) Vice versa for those with Jupiter direct in their charts.

Whenever Jupiter goes retro in transit, they will feel the

crunch with the significationsof Jupiter in their charts,

and delay and obstacles can be encountered

leading to unexecution of desired goals, till the

Jupiter gets direct again in transit.

3) In Prashna Chart whenever the Ascendant Lord is

in retro condition, and so is the 11th house Lord or the

Karyesh pointing to the Karyasiddhi of the Prashna made,

then the Answer will be a regretful No to the Query given.

Because here the retrogression will fully deny the Karyasiddhi.

One is free to confirm or negate the above experiences,

as per his own. I have no objections.

regards,

Bhaskar.

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July 4, 2009

Dear Manoj, Sir u r right tht Sat seeing Venus is always undesireable for men chart but u see Manoj g tht Saturn being 5th lord sitting in own house is strongery it maydelay not denial i feel tht and seeing 8th lord who is also Lagnesh too (which i forgot to write in the last mail ) confirm this (i feel) & 8th lord being in 5th house then i feel late or deny children ( got to lot of things wit tht & but in this case 5th lord is in his own house) & lot of break in affairs & i feel for her wife's i feel tht sat being 10 n 11th lord and Naks of exclated Jupiter who is too retro may be she must be Teacher or Teaching sometimes . well Sir i m too waiting for ur answer . Thanks u so much Mohit--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj

Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 5:38 PM

Dear Mohit Ji,

Those are interesting comments. I am not sure if Renu ji had the exact thought process and we will have to wait for her response. However, hold on to your thoughts and once the results are revealed we can come back and analyze it.

In the meantime some things to keep in mind are:

5th lord seing the 8th in this case..

If instead 8th lord was aspecting the 5th, what would be your conclusion?

How things need to be interpreted differently in these two cases?

Sure Sa aspects Venus (always undersirable in Man's chart) but Sa is also 5th L.. Does this make things better or worse?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Regards,

-Manoj

Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, July 2, 2009 9:28:28 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Yes i agree tht i feel is the u see tht 5th lord seeing venus who is also 8th lord from Lagna i think tht guy had some affair n as u see from 7th house Mars is in 6th house she is not at all optimistic person too, Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 7/3/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcomeancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, July 3, 2009, 2:18 AMDear Manoj

ji,//He is currently going through a very

ugly divorce and child custodybattle.//This sentence and "will he gain financially. ..."..."the custody of the kids...."... .........all the above made me think that the native is the innocent party according to your thinking. He is your friend and from your mail I could infer some sympathetic attitude from you towards him...Astrologically, when Neelam ji pointed out, Sun-Ve in 8H Scorpio from Aries [7H], the spouse's house, confirmed it.I may be wrong.....let' s wait till you 'spill the beans'.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Renu Ji,> > Some how I missed this comment of yours.> > "I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. "> > > Why do you say that? What in my post gave you

that impression? I was trying to be very careful and not give any indications one way or the other.> > Please clarify so I can correct the error. I did not intend to claim that the native is the "innocent" party.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:56:07 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome> > > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > Thanks so much. This would help me in answering Manoj ji's questions on this chart. You should be correct....I think his post makes us assume that the native is the innocent party. >

> So, 2nd is the 8H house of the spouse...once again Ve, Sun combo in the 8H, this time that of the spouse... Interesting.> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > > > House placement is also very important. 2nd house always shows secret> > affairs of spouse being 8th from 7th.> > Sun-venus in 2H is more likely to show wife's affairs rather than native's,> > if other conditions also prevail..> > Of course Manoj ji may confirm.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/2 renunw <renunw@>> > > > >> >

>> > > Dear Manoj ji,> > >> > > My answer will be later...but just noticed that this chart fits to group's> > > earlier discussion below:> > >> > > //"if the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as lagna> > > lord is in scorpio, ( he says it is a house of secrets) I should not> > > entertain any boy with such a combination for my daughter or any other girl> > > in our family. He says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any> > > number of relationships in his/her life..//> > >> > > The chart you gave is Libra Lagna and LL Venus is placed in Scorpio, the> > > house of secrets...> > >> > > Wonder what caused the divorce !!!> > >> > > blessings,> >

>> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not> > > received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our> > > group is very active..> > > >> > > > Here is the data of a friend of mine.> > > > Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA> > > >> > > > He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody> > > battle.> > > >> >

> > Interesting questions for the group are:> > > >> > > > Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?> > > > Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife> > > (soon to be ex-wife)?> > > >> > > > A bonus question is :> > > >> > > > What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in> > > 2006)?> > > > She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.> > > > The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.> > > >> > > > Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also> > > welcome.> > > > Please provide any other details you may want to and

I will confirm if I> > > can.> > > >> > > > I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New> > > Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).> > > >> > > > If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@> > > and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > -Manoj> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

July 4, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

It is quite clear that Rahu is always big. The Rahu is head of the dragon and materialistic. He has desire to become prominent, a big. Ketu is tail, Saint or Moksha Karaka,

12th house indicates bed comforts also. No doubt it is 6th from the 7th upachaya house i.e.grow or ambision to have more. As 7th lord has gone to 12th, the native will like to have more sex i.e. play mates. Mars is passion, emotions, Rahu in 7th in the sign of Mars gives the desire to have more sex, so extra marital relation.

I think I have made my points clear.

Regards

--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 10:58 PM

Dear Kursija Ji,

Thanks for your comments. You are not late, you have until July 9th to complete.. I have not digested your reply fully but can you clarify some thing for me, please?

"The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates".

When you say Rahu (Big) do you mean Rahu's role as an amplifier?

When you say Mars in the 12th sign of mercury, from the 7th Mars is in the 6th (from the wife's point of view). Am I missing some thing?

Regards,

-Manoj

S.C. Kursija <sckursija Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 8:26:31 AMRe: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj Chandran,

I am trying to answer your quiz, though late due to constraint of time. I think you will not mind it.The lagna is Tula occupied by Mercury and Ketu,

Sun and Venus in Scorpio, 2nd house, Saturn in 5th,Aquarius, Moon and Gulika in 9th, Jupiter in 10th retro, Mars in 12th in Virgo.Dasha running is Saturn/Jupiter/ Ketu. In navamsha chart Saturn is posited in 4th house in the sign of Mercury, Gemini, Jupiter with Rahu in 8th, Ketu in 2nd . It indicates that the divorce is confirm.

So far as custody of child is concern, 5th lord is posited in 5th, no benefic planet in kendra from 5th and aspecting 5th, Sun and Venus are posited in 10th from 5th, and dispositor, Mars in 12th, and in navamsha in 12th, in the sign of Saturn, Aquarius and Saturn is aspecting 5th in transit, Jupiter in retro in 4th house, 12th from 5th with Rahu indicating the native not have the custody of the child.

The financial gain or loss from divorce is concerned, the native will voluntarily forego the gain as there is relation of Jupiter ® in 9th and Ketu in lagna, Moon is also in 9th house with Gulika. If we take Ketu, Mercury, Moon, Gulika, Jupiter, Saturn in one direction there will be mixed results as both malefic and benefic planets are present.

The profession of wife is concerned, she has good status and is in the line of guide, teacher, consultant or advisor and the like. After 2006, when Ketu came in the direction of the Saturn and Moon, she changed her job.

I am not commenting on the character of the native or his wife as the native is having Ketu(Saint) and Mercury in lagna, and exalted Jupiter in 10th. The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates

These are my humble observations..

Regards--- On Thu, 7/2/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:48 AM

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle.

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

July 4, 2009

Dear Kursija Ji,

Please see your original comment below:

"The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates."

Reason for my question was because you said "wife" is having .... and so I was confused. I thought you were taking the 7th house as Lagna and was wondering how Mars could be in the 12th house. Now I understand that you were still talking about the Native. With this clarification I agree your point was clear. I hope you understand the reason for my question.

Regards,

-Manoj

S.C. Kursija <sckursija Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:54:45 AMRe: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj ji,

It is quite clear that Rahu is always big. The Rahu is head of the dragon and materialistic. He has desire to become prominent, a big. Ketu is tail, Saint or Moksha Karaka,

12th house indicates bed comforts also. No doubt it is 6th from the 7th upachaya house i.e.grow or ambision to have more. As 7th lord has gone to 12th, the native will like to have more sex i.e. play mates. Mars is passion, emotions, Rahu in 7th in the sign of Mars gives the desire to have more sex, so extra marital relation.

I think I have made my points clear.

Regards

--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcomeancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, July 3, 2009, 10:58 PM

Dear Kursija Ji,

Thanks for your comments. You are not late, you have until July 9th to complete.. I have not digested your reply fully but can you clarify some thing for me, please?

"The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates".

When you say Rahu (Big) do you mean Rahu's role as an amplifier?

When you say Mars in the 12th sign of mercury, from the 7th Mars is in the 6th (from the wife's point of view). Am I missing some thing?

Regards,

-Manoj

S.C. Kursija <sckursija >ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, July 3, 2009 8:26:31 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj Chandran,

I am trying to answer your quiz, though late due to constraint of time. I think you will not mind it.The lagna is Tula occupied by Mercury and Ketu,

Sun and Venus in Scorpio, 2nd house, Saturn in 5th,Aquarius, Moon and Gulika in 9th, Jupiter in 10th retro, Mars in 12th in Virgo.Dasha running is Saturn/Jupiter/ Ketu. In navamsha chart Saturn is posited in 4th house in the sign of Mercury, Gemini, Jupiter with Rahu in 8th, Ketu in 2nd . It indicates that the divorce is confirm.

So far as custody of child is concern, 5th lord is posited in 5th, no benefic planet in kendra from 5th and aspecting 5th, Sun and Venus are posited in 10th from 5th, and dispositor, Mars in 12th, and in navamsha in 12th, in the sign of Saturn, Aquarius and Saturn is aspecting 5th in transit, Jupiter in retro in 4th house, 12th from 5th with Rahu indicating the native not have the custody of the child.

The financial gain or loss from divorce is concerned, the native will voluntarily forego the gain as there is relation of Jupiter ® in 9th and Ketu in lagna, Moon is also in 9th house with Gulika. If we take Ketu, Mercury, Moon, Gulika, Jupiter, Saturn in one direction there will be mixed results as both malefic and benefic planets are present.

The profession of wife is concerned, she has good status and is in the line of guide, teacher, consultant or advisor and the like. After 2006, when Ketu came in the direction of the Saturn and Moon, she changed her job.

I am not commenting on the character of the native or his wife as the native is having Ketu(Saint) and Mercury in lagna, and exalted Jupiter in 10th. The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates

These are my humble observations. .

Regards--- On Thu, 7/2/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome"ancient indian_astrology" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:48 AM

Dear All,

Here is a quiz I recently posted at Jyotish_Vidya group. I have not received any official response there yet. So I am posting it here since our group is very active.

Here is the data of a friend of mine.

Nov, 30, 1966, 5:04 AM, Kansas City Missouri, USA

He is currently going through a very ugly divorce and child custody battle.

Interesting questions for the group are:

Is he going to financially gain or lose from this divorce?

Is he going to win custody of children or atleast 50/50 with his wife (soon to be ex-wife)?

A bonus question is :

What was the profession of the wife before marriage (Marriage happened in 2006)?

She went back to college and changed her profession after Marriage.

The answer to the above question is very interesting and intruiguing.

Any comments on professional and financial status of this Native is also welcome.

Please provide any other details you may want to and I will confirm if I can.

I will post the results of this July 9th, Arizona Time 5:00 Pm (New Delhi, 5:30 AM July 10th).

If possible please send replies to my email address chandran_manoj@ and I will send them all out on July 10th (If moderators agree).

Regards,

-Manoj

July 4, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,Here’s my humble attempt on the chart. I’ve tried to apply only the basics. Would like to learn from the exercise.Profession: Technical

Reasons: Ketu in lagna and Saturn as 4/5 lord in 5H with saturn’s dasha at the prime of life, Saturn mars in opposition 5/11 axis (bhava), 10L moon and 2L mars having gone to saturn’s signs in D-9, 10th from moon has influence of mars and Saturn (close to cusp). All these would give him technical qualifications.

However, Jupiter’s strong role in artha bhavas, 2/6/10H, in nakshatra exchange with Saturn, could also lead him to financial management and teaching/training assignments (in moon’s sign), in between. 6L in 10H from lagna and from moon again aspect of 6/11 lord mars on 10H can give him service only.

Financial Status: Quite Good, multiple sources of income and investments.Reasons: 2H has influence of many planets. 11L sun and LL venus form a good dhan yoga and aspect of an exalted 3/6 lord Jupiter from 10H and 4/5 lord Saturn from own 5H ensure that native gets income from many sources. Constant activation of a strong 2H, thus ensures a good and regular flow of income.

LL venus is also 8L and aspects 8H to draw income from hidden sources and bank investments. Saturn’s aspect on 2/11 from 5H (also Indu lagna) could also give him good income from shares and stocks. 6/8/12 connections in some dashas may give losses, but over all he will have a good financial status.

From moon 2H has an exalted Jupiter and 11H has rahu aspected by lord mars, 8L/9L Saturn from 9H and LL/4L mercury from friendly 5H. Again confirms income from multiple sources, speculative gains, gains through shares ad investments, etc. He would’ve made some properties/fixed assets also (would’ve surely if he were an Indian).

Marriage: Denial of happiness in marriageReasons: A combust venus, aspected by Saturn (strong yoga for denial of marriage), Saturn also aspects 7H, opposes 7L mars in close degrees. Saturn disposits moon and 7L in D-9 and continues to aspect venus. But Saturn is also a well-placed yogkarak touching 7H/7L and venus. So there was a delayed marriage prompted by sat-rah (rahu in 7H rarely fails to give marriage in its dasha/antar as per Sh. KNR). The decision was taken in haste and confusion, more of a twist of fate, rather than a deliberate action.

Rahu and mars together deny the happiness from wife, but do not deny him female company and sexual life. The native must’ve been going to women (often lower in social strata or sex workers, etc) before his marriage. From moon too 7H is aspected by mars and rahu and 7L jup is in 8H.

Why should he marry at all in that case?The answer is with Saturn. He had to marry because he is destined to beget children. Saturn as 5L in 5H (weak malefic), aspecting 2H of family and 7H of marriage had to give him children. Saturn in his long dasha had to act as the dispenser of fruits of previous merits sitting in 5H. That may be the reason this native got inclined to get married and quickly produced children. 5th from Jupiter also has 2L sun and 4/11 lord venus. Saptamsha has saturn’s sign rising and 5L venus is in 9H, aspected by venus.

Custody of kids: Not likely to get to stay with his children. Reason: Happiness through kids is elusive. Karak jup retrogrades in 6/8 from 5th and Mars is in 8H from 5th. In D-7, Saturn is in 8H with 8L sun, indicating the loss. Saturn Jupiter again in 6/8. Dasha running is sat-jup, the chhidra dasha of 6/8 planets. In navamsha, Jup aspects 5L Saturn from the 8H and is with rahu.

Divorce: Could come finally in Sat-Jup-jup/sat and can be a scandalous event, even getting reported in the media. Jupiter as the 6L is the terminator of marriage in 6/8 with dashanath and venus is the marak in 2/8 axis of marriage.

Financial Implications in divorce: Loss in alimony.Sat-jup-sat, and further jup-sat-mer could be tough on him for finances. Saturn transiting in 12H from lagna and 4H from moon aspected by a debilitated 6L jup from 4H with rahu could make him lose his wealth and assets. I am taking loss of 4H and 11H for wealth. There’s malefic influence on the house/lords and activation of 3H/10H.

To reconfirm what I have said, I cast a prashna chart.Sharing this very interesting Prashna Chart which is almost revealing the whole story in itself: (Please make this chart and check for yourself)

2.7.2009/17.19/DelhiScorpio rising, 9L moon debilitates in lagna loss of battle and negative frame of mind.LL/6L Mars and 7L venus conjoined in 7H aspected by rahu and Saturn indicate dispute in the 7H.

10L sun and 11L mercury in 8H of Gemini aspected by a retrograde 2L of income jup, from 4H. Wealth and income going to 8H of wife’s income.Saturn in 10H of leo aspects 12/4/7 indicating financial loses.

Jupiter retrogrades in 12H from 5th denying children.Now the most interesting thing which I notice in the prashna chart is:

A fixed lagna rising, shows the situation is not going to change any further.Venus mars forming an Ishrapha Yoga in 7H. Has the divorce already happened? May be a couple of weeks (say 5 weeks) ago.Venus has gone ahead by about 5 degrees.

Money transaction has yet to take place, as mars and jup are in ithisaal and might take about 2 months from now. Jupiter about 2 degrees ahead. Sorry for this long-winded post Manoj ji, but you’d asked too many questions. I’ll try to check about the wife, or her profession and write about it in my next post.

RegardsNeelam

July 4, 2009

Dear Neelam Ji,

Thank you for you detailed attempt. The more detailed it is from expereinced people such as yourself, Kursija Ji and others, the better it is for learners like me.

Please do follow up on the wife's profession since we have got several opinions on that so far. I am curious as you what yours will be.

Regards,

-Manoj

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 6:38:26 AMRe: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj ji,Hereâ€™s my humble attempt on the chart. Iâ€™ve tried to apply only the basics. Would like to learn from the exercise.Profession: TechnicalReasons: Ketu in lagna and Saturn as 4/5 lord in 5H with saturnâ€™s dasha at the prime of life, Saturn mars in opposition 5/11 axis (bhava), 10L moon and 2L mars having gone to saturnâ€™s signs in D-9, 10th from moon has influence of mars and Saturn (close to cusp). All these would give him technical qualifications. However, Jupiterâ€™s strong role in artha bhavas, 2/6/10H, in nakshatra exchange with Saturn, could also lead him to financial management and teaching/training assignments (in moonâ€™s sign), in between. 6L in 10H from lagna and from moon again aspect of 6/11 lord mars on 10H can give him service only.Financial

Status: Quite Good, multiple sources of income and investments.Reasons: 2H has influence of many planets. 11L sun and LL venus form a good dhan yoga and aspect of an exalted 3/6 lord Jupiter from 10H and 4/5 lord Saturn from own 5H ensure that native gets income from many sources. Constant activation of a strong 2H, thus ensures a good and regular flow of income.LL venus is also 8L and aspects 8H to draw income from hidden sources and bank investments. Saturnâ€™s aspect on 2/11 from 5H (also Indu lagna) could also give him good income from shares and stocks. 6/8/12 connections in some dashas may give losses, but over all he will have a good financial status.From moon 2H has an exalted Jupiter and 11H has rahu aspected by lord mars, 8L/9L Saturn from 9H and LL/4L mercury from friendly 5H. Again confirms income from multiple sources, speculative gains, gains through shares ad investments, etc. He wouldâ€™ve made some

properties/fixed assets also (wouldâ€™ve surely if he were an Indian).Marriage: Denial of happiness in marriageReasons: A combust venus, aspected by Saturn (strong yoga for denial of marriage), Saturn also aspects 7H, opposes 7L mars in close degrees. Saturn disposits moon and 7L in D-9 and continues to aspect venus. But Saturn is also a well-placed yogkarak touching 7H/7L and venus. So there was a delayed marriage prompted by sat-rah (rahu in 7H rarely fails to give marriage in its dasha/antar as per Sh. KNR). The decision was taken in haste and confusion, more of a twist of fate, rather than a deliberate action.Rahu and mars together deny the happiness from wife, but do not deny him female company and sexual life. The native mustâ€™ve been going to women (often lower in social strata or sex workers, etc) before his marriage. From moon too 7H is aspected by mars and rahu and

7L jup is in 8H.Why should he marry at all in that case?The answer is with Saturn. He had to marry because he is destined to beget children. Saturn as 5L in 5H (weak malefic), aspecting 2H of family and 7H of marriage had to give him children. Saturn in his long dasha had to act as the dispenser of fruits of previous merits sitting in 5H. That may be the reason this native got inclined to get married and quickly produced children. 5th from Jupiter also has 2L sun and 4/11 lord venus. Saptamsha has saturnâ€™s sign rising and 5L venus is in 9H, aspected by venus.Custody of kids: Not likely to get to stay with his children. Reason: Happiness through kids is elusive. Karak jup retrogrades in 6/8 from 5th and Mars is in 8H from 5th. In D-7, Saturn is in 8H

with 8L sun, indicating the loss. Saturn Jupiter again in 6/8. Dasha running is sat-jup, the chhidra dasha of 6/8 planets. In navamsha, Jup aspects 5L Saturn from the 8H and is with rahu. Divorce: Could come finally in Sat-Jup-jup/ sat and can be a scandalous event, even getting reported in the media. Jupiter as the 6L is the terminator of marriage in 6/8 with dashanath and venus is the marak in 2/8 axis of marriage.Financial Implications in divorce: Loss in alimony.Sat-jup-sat, and further jup-sat-mer could be tough on him for finances. Saturn transiting in 12H from lagna and 4H from moon aspected by a debilitated 6L jup from 4H with rahu could make him lose his wealth and assets. I am taking loss of 4H and 11H for wealth. Thereâ€™s malefic influence on the house/lords and activation of 3H/10H.To reconfirm what I have said, I cast a prashna chart.Sharing this very interesting Prashna Chart which is almost revealing the whole story in itself: (Please make this chart and check for yourself)2.7.2009/17. 19/DelhiScorpio rising, 9L moon debilitates in lagna loss of battle and negative frame of mind.LL/6L Mars and 7L venus conjoined in 7H aspected by rahu and Saturn indicate dispute in the 7H. 10L sun and 11L mercury in 8H of Gemini aspected by a retrograde 2L of income jup, from 4H. Wealth and income going to 8H of wifeâ€™s income.Saturn in 10H of leo aspects 12/4/7 indicating financial loses..Jupiter retrogrades in 12H from 5th denying children.Now the most interesting thing which I notice in the prashna chart is:A fixed lagna rising, shows the situation is not going to change any further.Venus mars forming an Ishrapha Yoga in 7H. Has the divorce already happened? May be a couple of weeks (say 5 weeks) ago.Venus has gone ahead by about 5 degrees.Money transaction has yet to take place, as mars and jup are in ithisaal and might take about 2 months from now. Jupiter about 2 degrees ahead. Sorry for this long-winded post Manoj ji, but youâ€™d asked too many questions. Iâ€™ll try to check about the wife, or her profession and write about it in my next

post.RegardsNeelam

July 4, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,With hundreds of professional areas available today, it is even difficult to judge a native's profession directly from his chart. And you're asking us to find out wife's profession, that too before and after marriage! Sounds interesting but very challenging! It's going to be wild shots in air.

Anyways, no harm in trying and learning.RegardsNeelam2009/7/4 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

Dear Neelam Ji,

Thank you for you detailed attempt. The more detailed it is from expereinced people such as yourself, Kursija Ji and others, the better it is for learners like me.

Please do follow up on the wife's profession since we have got several opinions on that so far. I am curious as you what yours will be.

Regards,

-Manoj

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Saturday, July 4, 2009 6:38:26 AMRe: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj ji,Here’s my humble attempt on the chart. I’ve tried to apply only the basics. Would like to learn from the exercise.Profession: Technical

Reasons: Ketu in lagna and Saturn as 4/5 lord in 5H with saturn’s dasha at the prime of life, Saturn mars in opposition 5/11 axis (bhava), 10L moon and 2L mars having gone to saturn’s signs in D-9, 10th from moon has influence of mars and Saturn (close to cusp). All these would give him technical qualifications.

However, Jupiter’s strong role in artha bhavas, 2/6/10H, in nakshatra exchange with Saturn, could also lead him to financial management and teaching/training assignments (in moon’s sign), in between. 6L in 10H from lagna and from moon again aspect of 6/11 lord mars on 10H can give him service only.

Financial

Status: Quite Good, multiple sources of income and investments.Reasons: 2H has influence of many planets. 11L sun and LL venus form a good dhan yoga and aspect of an exalted 3/6 lord Jupiter from 10H and 4/5 lord Saturn from own 5H ensure that native gets income from many sources. Constant activation of a strong 2H, thus ensures a good and regular flow of income.

LL venus is also 8L and aspects 8H to draw income from hidden sources and bank investments. Saturn’s aspect on 2/11 from 5H (also Indu lagna) could also give him good income from shares and stocks. 6/8/12 connections in some dashas may give losses, but over all he will have a good financial status.

From moon 2H has an exalted Jupiter and 11H has rahu aspected by lord mars, 8L/9L Saturn from 9H and LL/4L mercury from friendly 5H. Again confirms income from multiple sources, speculative gains, gains through shares ad investments, etc. He would’ve made some

properties/fixed assets also (would’ve surely if he were an Indian).Marriage: Denial of happiness in marriageReasons: A combust venus, aspected by Saturn (strong yoga for denial of marriage), Saturn also aspects 7H, opposes 7L mars in close degrees. Saturn disposits moon and 7L in D-9 and continues to aspect venus. But Saturn is also a well-placed yogkarak touching 7H/7L and venus. So there was a delayed marriage prompted by sat-rah (rahu in 7H rarely fails to give marriage in its dasha/antar as per Sh. KNR). The decision was taken in haste and confusion, more of a twist of fate, rather than a deliberate action.

Rahu and mars together deny the happiness from wife, but do not deny him female company and sexual life. The native must’ve been going to women (often lower in social strata or sex workers, etc) before his marriage. From moon too 7H is aspected by mars and rahu and

7L jup is in 8H.Why should he marry at all in that case?The answer is with Saturn. He had to marry because he is destined to beget children. Saturn as 5L in 5H (weak malefic), aspecting 2H of family and 7H of marriage had to give him children. Saturn in his long dasha had to act as the dispenser of fruits of previous merits sitting in 5H. That may be the reason this native got inclined to get married and quickly produced children. 5th from Jupiter also has 2L sun and 4/11 lord venus. Saptamsha has saturn’s sign rising and 5L venus is in 9H, aspected by venus.

Custody of kids: Not likely to get to stay with his children. Reason: Happiness through kids is elusive. Karak jup retrogrades in 6/8 from 5th and Mars is in 8H from 5th. In D-7, Saturn is in 8H

with 8L sun, indicating the loss. Saturn Jupiter again in 6/8. Dasha running is sat-jup, the chhidra dasha of 6/8 planets. In navamsha, Jup aspects 5L Saturn from the 8H and is with rahu. Divorce: Could come finally in Sat-Jup-jup/ sat and can be a scandalous event, even getting reported in the media. Jupiter as the 6L is the terminator of marriage in 6/8 with dashanath and venus is the marak in 2/8 axis of marriage.

Financial Implications in divorce: Loss in alimony.Sat-jup-sat, and further jup-sat-mer could be tough on him for finances. Saturn transiting in 12H from lagna and 4H from moon aspected by a debilitated 6L jup from 4H with rahu could make him lose his wealth and assets. I am taking loss of 4H and 11H for wealth. There’s malefic influence on the house/lords and activation of 3H/10H.

To reconfirm what I have said, I cast a prashna chart.Sharing this very interesting Prashna Chart which is almost revealing the whole story in itself: (Please make this chart and check for yourself)

2.7.2009/17. 19/DelhiScorpio rising, 9L moon debilitates in lagna loss of battle and negative frame of mind.LL/6L Mars and 7L venus conjoined in 7H aspected by rahu and Saturn indicate dispute in the 7H.

10L sun and 11L mercury in 8H of Gemini aspected by a retrograde 2L of income jup, from 4H. Wealth and income going to 8H of wife’s income.Saturn in 10H of leo aspects 12/4/7 indicating financial loses..

Jupiter retrogrades in 12H from 5th denying children.Now the most interesting thing which I notice in the prashna chart is:

A fixed lagna rising, shows the situation is not going to change any further.Venus mars forming an Ishrapha Yoga in 7H. Has the divorce already happened? May be a couple of weeks (say 5 weeks) ago.Venus has gone ahead by about 5 degrees.

Money transaction has yet to take place, as mars and jup are in ithisaal and might take about 2 months from now. Jupiter about 2 degrees ahead. Sorry for this long-winded post Manoj ji, but you’d asked too many questions. I’ll try to check about the wife, or her profession and write about it in my next

post.RegardsNeelam

July 4, 2009

Dear Neelam Ji,

I know it is a tough question. But I am trying to see if it is possible. It may not be possible to differentiate between "before marriage" and "after". But I am trying to see if any one comes close to even either of them !!!

Regards,

-Manoj

PS: Obviously I would not ask such a question if the results were not interesting !!! Once I post the results, I am sure every one will appreciate why I asked the question !!!

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:11:49 AMRe: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj ji,With hundreds of professional areas available today, it is even difficult to judge a native's profession directly from his chart. And you're asking us to find out wife's profession, that too before and after marriage! Sounds interesting but very challenging! It's going to be wild shots in air. Anyways, no harm in trying and learning.RegardsNeelam

2009/7/4 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

Dear Neelam Ji,

Thank you for you detailed attempt.. The more detailed it is from expereinced people such as yourself, Kursija Ji and others, the better it is for learners like me.

Please do follow up on the wife's profession since we have got several opinions on that so far. I am curious as you what yours will be.

Regards,

-Manoj

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, July 4, 2009 6:38:26 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Manoj ji,Hereâ€™s my humble attempt on the chart. Iâ€™ve tried to apply only the basics. Would like to learn from the exercise.Profession: TechnicalReasons: Ketu in lagna and Saturn as 4/5 lord in 5H with saturnâ€™s dasha at the prime of life, Saturn mars in opposition 5/11 axis (bhava), 10L moon and 2L mars having gone to saturnâ€™s signs in D-9, 10th from moon has influence of mars and Saturn (close to cusp). All these would give him technical qualifications. However, Jupiterâ€™s strong role in artha bhavas, 2/6/10H, in nakshatra exchange with Saturn, could also lead him to financial management and teaching/training assignments (in moonâ€™s sign), in between. 6L in 10H from lagna and from moon again aspect of 6/11 lord mars on 10H can give him service only.Financial

Status: Quite Good, multiple sources of income and investments.Reasons: 2H has influence of many planets. 11L sun and LL venus form a good dhan yoga and aspect of an exalted 3/6 lord Jupiter from 10H and 4/5 lord Saturn from own 5H ensure that native gets income from many sources. Constant activation of a strong 2H, thus ensures a good and regular flow of income.LL venus is also 8L and aspects 8H to draw income from hidden sources and bank investments. Saturnâ€™s aspect on 2/11 from 5H (also Indu lagna) could also give him good income from shares and stocks. 6/8/12 connections in some dashas may give losses, but over all he will have a good financial status.From moon 2H has an exalted Jupiter and 11H has rahu aspected by lord mars, 8L/9L Saturn from 9H and LL/4L mercury from friendly 5H. Again confirms income from multiple sources, speculative gains, gains through shares ad investments, etc. He wouldâ€™ve made some

properties/fixed assets also (wouldâ€™ve surely if he were an Indian).Marriage: Denial of happiness in marriageReasons: A combust venus, aspected by Saturn (strong yoga for denial of marriage), Saturn also aspects 7H, opposes 7L mars in close degrees. Saturn disposits moon and 7L in D-9 and continues to aspect venus. But Saturn is also a well-placed yogkarak touching 7H/7L and venus. So there was a delayed marriage prompted by sat-rah (rahu in 7H rarely fails to give marriage in its dasha/antar as per Sh. KNR). The decision was taken in haste and confusion, more of a twist of fate, rather than a deliberate action.Rahu and mars together deny the happiness from wife, but do not deny him female company and sexual life. The native mustâ€™ve been going to women (often lower in social strata or sex workers, etc) before his marriage. From moon too 7H is aspected by mars and rahu and

7L jup is in 8H.Why should he marry at all in that case?The answer is with Saturn. He had to marry because he is destined to beget children. Saturn as 5L in 5H (weak malefic), aspecting 2H of family and 7H of marriage had to give him children. Saturn in his long dasha had to act as the dispenser of fruits of previous merits sitting in 5H. That may be the reason this native got inclined to get married and quickly produced children. 5th from Jupiter also has 2L sun and 4/11 lord venus. Saptamsha has saturnâ€™s sign rising and 5L venus is in 9H, aspected by venus.Custody of kids: Not likely to get to stay with his children. Reason: Happiness through kids is elusive. Karak jup retrogrades in 6/8 from 5th and Mars is in 8H from 5th. In D-7, Saturn is in 8H

with 8L sun, indicating the loss. Saturn Jupiter again in 6/8. Dasha running is sat-jup, the chhidra dasha of 6/8 planets. In navamsha, Jup aspects 5L Saturn from the 8H and is with rahu. Divorce: Could come finally in Sat-Jup-jup/ sat and can be a scandalous event, even getting reported in the media. Jupiter as the 6L is the terminator of marriage in 6/8 with dashanath and venus is the marak in 2/8 axis of marriage.Financial Implications in divorce: Loss in alimony.Sat-jup-sat, and further jup-sat-mer could be tough on him for finances. Saturn transiting in 12H from lagna and 4H from moon aspected by a debilitated 6L jup from 4H with rahu could make him lose his wealth and assets. I am taking loss of 4H and 11H for wealth. Thereâ€™s malefic influence on the house/lords and activation of 3H/10H.To reconfirm what I have said, I cast a prashna chart.Sharing this very interesting Prashna Chart which is almost revealing the whole story in itself: (Please make this chart and check for yourself)2.7.2009/17. 19/DelhiScorpio rising, 9L moon debilitates in lagna loss of battle and negative frame of mind.LL/6L Mars and 7L venus conjoined in 7H aspected by rahu and Saturn indicate dispute in the 7H. 10L sun and 11L mercury in 8H of Gemini aspected by a retrograde 2L of income jup, from 4H. Wealth and income going to 8H of wifeâ€™s income.Saturn in 10H of leo aspects 12/4/7 indicating financial loses...Jupiter retrogrades in 12H from 5th denying children.Now the most interesting thing which I notice in the prashna chart is:A fixed lagna rising, shows the situation is not going to change any further.Venus mars forming an Ishrapha Yoga in 7H. Has the divorce already happened? May be a couple of weeks (say 5 weeks) ago.Venus has gone ahead by about 5 degrees.Money transaction has yet to take place, as mars and jup are in ithisaal and might take about 2 months from now. Jupiter about 2 degrees ahead. Sorry for this long-winded post Manoj ji, but youâ€™d asked too many questions. Iâ€™ll try to check about the wife, or her profession and write about it in my next

post.RegardsNeelam

July 4, 2009

Dear Bhaskar Ji,

Does this apply to areas affected by double transit of Jp-Sa as well? For example with the current transit of Jp going retro in Aquarius and Sa in Leo, Jp has a direct aspect on Leo. So, for example, Scorpio natives have Leo as 10th house. So, (all other factors being promising), a Scorpio native having Retro Jp in Rashi, can he/she expect positive things in the next month or so related to career?

Is that how this works? Thanks for your unvaluable tips.

Regards,

-Manoj

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 10:44:32 PM Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

Dear Friends,

Just a hurried mail.

For those who may be interested retrograde planets do

give results in full. When and how, is what one must know.

In practical astrology results from Retro planets can be

divided into3 parts.

a) Results from Planet Retro in Natal Chart.

b) Results from Planet Direct in Natal Chart.

c) Results of retro planet in Prashna Chart.

We will take a example planet Jupiter.

1) Suppose Jupiter is retro in ones chart, then whatever

Jupiter signifies in ones chart , he will get the full results

whenever Jupiter gets retro in transit.

2) Vice versa for those with Jupiter direct in their charts.

Whenever Jupiter goes retro in transit, they will feel the

crunch with the significationsof Jupiter in their charts,

and delay and obstacles can be encountered

leading to unexecution of desired goals, till the

Jupiter gets direct again in transit.

3) In Prashna Chart whenever the Ascendant Lord is

in retro condition, and so is the 11th house Lord or the

Karyesh pointing to the Karyasiddhi of the Prashna made,

then the Answer will be a regretful No to the Query given.

Because here the retrogression will fully deny the Karyasiddhi.

One is free to confirm or negate the above experiences,

as per his own. I have no objections.

regards,

Bhaskar.

July 4, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

// a Scorpio native having Retro Jp in Rashi, can he/she expect positive

things in the next month or so related to career? //

Please identify the native of Scorpio having Jupiter in which Natal

raashi ?

regards/Bhaskar.

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji,

>

> Does this apply to areas affected by double transit of Jp-Sa as well?

For example with the current transit of Jp going retro in Aquarius and

Sa in Leo, Jp has a direct aspect on Leo. So, for example, Scorpio

natives have Leo as 10th house. So, (all other factors being promising),

a Scorpio native having Retro Jp in Rashi, can he/she expect positive

things in the next month or so related to career?

>

> Is that how this works? Thanks for your unvaluable tips.

>

> Regards,

>

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Friday, July 3, 2009 10:44:32 PM

> Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child

custody Outcome

>

> Dear Friends,

> Just a hurried mail.

>

> For those who may be interested retrograde planets do

> give results in full. When and how, is what one must know.

>

> In practical astrology results from Retro planets can be

> divided into3 parts.

>

> a) Results from Planet Retro in Natal Chart.

> b) Results from Planet Direct in Natal Chart.

> c) Results of retro planet in Prashna Chart.

>

> We will take a example planet Jupiter.

>

> 1) Suppose Jupiter is retro in ones chart, then whatever

> Jupiter signifies in ones chart , he will get the full results

> whenever Jupiter gets retro in transit.

>

> 2) Vice versa for those with Jupiter direct in their charts.

> Whenever Jupiter goes retro in transit, they will feel the

> crunch with the significationsof Jupiter in their charts,

> and delay and obstacles can be encountered

> leading to unexecution of desired goals, till the

> Jupiter gets direct again in transit.

>

> 3) In Prashna Chart whenever the Ascendant Lord is

> in retro condition, and so is the 11th house Lord or the

> Karyesh pointing to the Karyasiddhi of the Prashna made,

> then the Answer will be a regretful No to the Query given.

> Because here the retrogression will fully deny the Karyasiddhi.

>

> One is free to confirm or negate the above experiences,

> as per his own. I have no objections.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

July 4, 2009

Dear Sheevani Ji,

Thank you for your attempt. The beauty about a group like this is not only we learn from our own mistakes but also from others. I will post the solution next week.

Regards,

-Manoj

sheevani147 <sheevani147 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 6:12:32 PM Re: Blind Quiz: Divorce/Child custody Outcome

ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@. ..> wrote:>Dear Manoj chandan ji,Namaste.I would like to take the opportunity to participate in your quiz.I am just a learner, so allow me to learn from my mistakes.As I have entered quite late into the discussion, I shall consider the chart from a slightly different angle.I notice that native is currently running shani-guru dasha period who are in nakshatra exchange and placed in 6/8 to each other, hence not favourable. Furthermore, lagna has paapkartari yoga caused by mars and sun, hence native will feel lots of frustrations in life etc.Looking at the varshaphal chart, muntha is in 9th hse aries, which is a dry firey aggressive sign, with the lord mars placed in

the 4th hse scopio with sun and mercury, which suggests hidden agenda,Mars is placed in 8th hse from aries, where muntha is placed, again not favourable.In varsha chart VC,Jupiter, karka for son, is placed in sagitarius (5hse) together with moon(12L) and venus (3and 10L)rahu is in 6th hse and ketu is placed 8th from jupiter. In the navamsha of VC, shani venus ketu mercury and guru are placed in the 6hse-sign sagitarius.In varsha chart on nov 09, muntha falls in the 8hse taurus, with its lord venus in the 7th hse. This is a diffcult period with health issues and general despair..My perception is that the native may loose financially and also lose custody of his son to his partner. This maybe due to the native loosing heart and will to continue with 'mud slinging' in the interests of his son.I hope I am wrong, and the native is able to move on with dignity.Warmest regardsSheevani> Dear Manoj

Chandran,> I am trying to answer your quiz, though late due to constraint of time. I think you will not mind it.The lagna is Tula occupied by Mercury and Ketu,> Sun and Venus in Scorpio, 2nd house, Saturn in 5th,Aquarius, Moon and Gulika in 9th, Jupiter in 10th retro, Mars in 12th in Virgo.Dasha running is Saturn/Jupiter/ Ketu. In navamsha chart Saturn is posited in 4th house in the sign of Mercury, Gemini, Jupiter with Rahu in 8th, Ketu in 2nd . It indicates that the divorce is confirm.> So far as custody of child is concern, 5th lord is posited in 5th, no benefic planet in kendra from 5th and aspecting 5th, Sun and Venus are posited in 10th from 5th, and dispositor, Mars in 12th, and in navamsha in 12th, in the sign of Saturn, Aquarius and Saturn is aspecting 5th in transit, Jupiter in retro in 4th house, 12th from 5th with Rahu indicating the native not have the custody of the child.> The financial gain or loss

from divorce is concerned, the native will voluntarily forego the gain as there is relation of Jupiter ® in 9th and Ketu in lagna, Moon is also in 9th house with Gulika. If we take Ketu, Mercury, Moon, Gulika, Jupiter, Saturn in one direction there will be mixed results as both malefic and benefic planets are present.> The profession of wife is concerned, she has good status and is in the line of guide, teacher, consultant or advisor and the like. After 2006, when Ketu came in the direction of the Saturn and Moon, she changed her job.> I am not commenting on the character of the native or his wife as the native is having Ketu(Saint) and Mercury in lagna, and exalted Jupiter in 10th. The wife is having Rahu (Big) in the sign of Mars and Mars in 12th in the sign of Mercury, number of play mates> These are my humble observations.> Regards>

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