Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Dear Mohit ji, Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Dear Sreenad g ,>  >                      Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Dear Sreenadh g, Thanks u very much for ur consideration , thanks for even talking to me plus inviting me to ur place , Thanks for every things , Mohit--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re:Rahu_ 11H Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:56 AM Dear Mohit ji, Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. :)Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenad g ,>  >                      Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2009 Dear All, Rahu in 11H indicates very interesting results. We know that 11H is usually positive for all the planets. 11th is the house of gain (of wealth), and any planet (whether be malefic or benefic) placed in 11th should indicate gain of wealth as indicated by the significance of that planet. But this does not in any way tell us that a malefic in 11th will not destroy the things signified or indicated by 11th house itself. For example a malefic such as Rahun, in 11th can indicate a bad result and damage to the elder brother (signified by 11th house itself), but also can indicate monetary gain to the native through the significance (such as shares, lottary, cheating, mediatership, brokerage etc) indicated by Rahu itself. Therefore results indicated by Rahu in 11th are neither totally positive nor negative - it would be a mix of the two. But as house of gain, 11H discussion would be more centered upon wealth, the placement of any planet (whether benefic or malefic) is generally considered as beneficial (even though in truth, the same itself can indicate some monetary losses as well related to the significance indicated by 11th house). Let us see what the sages has to say about the same. Garga hora states that -Yasya labhagato rahur labho bhavati nischayatMleschadhipatito noonam gajavaja radhadikam (Garga hora)[For the one for whom Rahu is in 11th house, fore sure gain of wealth would happen (this every body knows - and is a general statement; a known result restated). (A special result to be noted is that) He will gain special rewards (in the form of heavy vehicles) such as elephant, horse, chariot etc from the king (of near by land; adjoining kingdom; place away from native land) who does not follow the vedic path] The word used is 'Mleschha Adhipatir' - which literally means lord of Mlechha lands. During the BC 1400 period of Garga, this word 'Mleccha' indicated in a de-generated form the people of 'Meluha' (the ancient city of Harappa) that stopped being existence as a reputed land by around BC 1800 itself. Thus the word 'Mechha adhipatir' indicate the lord of Harappa or near by lands who followed ancient tantric cult. They were reputed for their astrological, archetectural and systematic knowledge; but was considered as de-generated cult as well to an extend since they (the Meluhans) were not the followers of Vedic or Jain wisdom. Please note that the majority of Aryans at that time might have followed the Vedic path, which the Jains like Garga followed the Jain religion. Mleschha desa might have indicated Afghanistan, Pakistan or parts of Iran, Armenia, Tajakkistan, Baluchistan, Parts of India etc during that period. Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; but by the non-vedic kings of adjacent kingdoms who repute freedom of thought and presentation of innovative ideas. Another reason for the reputation by lords of adjacent lands could be his success as a middleman, trades man and human being with crooked intellect to suit the situation. The individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other. Going abroad to earn and reap success is not a necessity for him (due to his confidence in his own ability and willingness to follow any method to amaze wealth and success), but usually he does this (i.e. goes abroad). If Garga only indicate such results with the simple mention of Mleschha king (lord of near by non-aryan lands), Chamatkara chinamani clearly states them in the following quote -Sada mleschato artham labhet sabhimanascharet kimkarena vrajet kim videsamPararthannartho haret dhurtabandhuH sutotpatti soukhyam tamo labhagaschet (Chamatkara Chintamani)[if Rahu is in 11th, native will always gain wealth from the lords of near by foreign lands. He will always travel with reputation along with his followers and servants. But in truth why should be go abroad? (there is no need that he should go abroad). He is the friend of money wasters (and wastes money himself as well in business and innovative ideas and investments), and will loss own money but will become wealthy by robbing the money of others (here robin points to generating money through cheating and business, basing oneself on the investment of others). He will have children (don't assume that he won't have children since Ketu is in 5th house; and don't think that he will not have elder coborn since he has Rahu in 11th; defenitly he will have elder coborn), if Rahu is in 11th house] Yes - all that is good guidance. With out such clear guidance we might have assumed that the native will not have elder coborns and children or that Rahu in 11th will give only beneficial results and nothing malefic. Now we know that even though generally beneficial monetarily - Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others, poverty and suffering at times and so on. Gaining reputation, appreciative abilities, innovative thinking, willingness to travel to gain success, knowledge of human psychology etc stands as the positive result indicators. Since in brief, the placement of Rahu in 11th is beneficial, Sage Brigu only briefly mentions the results for Rahu in 11th as - Putra samriddhaH dhanalabha SamriddhaH (Brigu Sutra)[if Rahu in 11th the native will have many children, and will have much wealth] Note that the above quote is also intended as correcting some of our possible mis-understandings - * If Rahu is in 11th (and Ketu in 5th) the native WILL HAVE children : Thus the advice is that, don't assume that he will not have children since Ketu is in 5th and don't assume that he will not have elder coborns since Rahu is in 11th. This is not so. * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself. Interesting are the lessons taught by the sages! The true perspective regaring the ancient astrological knowledge can be accumulated only if we start learning utilizing the ancient texts itself, and start trying to see things from their perspective. Trying to understand the perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the sages and the path they have shown.Love and regards,Sreenadh Why? , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh g,> > Thanks u very much for ur consideration , thanks for even talking to me plus inviting me to ur place , Thanks for every things , Mohit> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Sreenadh sreesog Re:Rahu_ 11H> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:56 AM> > Dear Mohit ji, > Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenad g ,> > Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2009 Dear sreenadhji very interesting and informative post. regards vinoth , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > Rahu in 11H indicates very interesting results. We know that 11H is > usually positive for all the planets. 11th is the house of gain (of > wealth), and any planet (whether be malefic or benefic) placed in 11th > should indicate gain of wealth as indicated by the significance of that > planet. But this does not in any way tell us that a malefic in 11th will > not destroy the things signified or indicated by 11th house itself. For > example a malefic such as Rahun, in 11th can indicate a bad result and > damage to the elder brother (signified by 11th house itself), but also > can indicate monetary gain to the native through the significance (such > as shares, lottary, cheating, mediatership, brokerage etc) indicated by > Rahu itself. Therefore results indicated by Rahu in 11th are neither > totally positive nor negative - it would be a mix of the two. But as > house of gain, 11H discussion would be more centered upon wealth, the > placement of any planet (whether benefic or malefic) is generally > considered as beneficial (even though in truth, the same itself can > indicate some monetary losses as well related to the significance > indicated by 11th house). Let us see what the sages has to say about the > same. Garga hora states that - > Yasya labhagato rahur labho bhavati nischayat > Mleschadhipatito noonam gajavaja radhadikam > > (Garga hora) > [For the one for whom Rahu is in 11th house, fore sure gain of wealth > would happen (this every body knows - and is a general statement; a > known result restated). (A special result to be noted is that) He will > gain special rewards (in the form of heavy vehicles) such as elephant, > horse, chariot etc from the king (of near by land; adjoining kingdom; > place away from native land) who does not follow the vedic path] > The word used is 'Mleschha Adhipatir' - which literally means lord of > Mlechha lands. During the BC 1400 period of Garga, this word 'Mleccha' > indicated in a de-generated form the people of 'Meluha' (the ancient > city of Harappa) that stopped being existence as a reputed land by > around BC 1800 itself. Thus the word 'Mechha adhipatir' indicate the > lord of Harappa or near by lands who followed ancient tantric cult. They > were reputed for their astrological, archetectural and systematic > knowledge; but was considered as de-generated cult as well to an extend > since they (the Meluhans) were not the followers of Vedic or Jain > wisdom. Please note that the majority of Aryans at that time might have > followed the Vedic path, which the Jains like Garga followed the Jain > religion. Mleschha desa might have indicated Afghanistan, Pakistan or > parts of Iran, Armenia, Tajakkistan, Baluchistan, Parts of India etc > during that period. Thus the statement, " Will be rewarded by lord of > Mlescha desa " indicate that " the native would be reputed and rewarded by > the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the > vedic path " .This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not > follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed > scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative > non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the > conservative vedic scholars; but by the non-vedic kings of adjacent > kingdoms who repute freedom of thought and presentation of innovative > ideas. Another reason for the reputation by lords of adjacent lands > could be his success as a middleman, trades man and human being with > crooked intellect to suit the situation. The individual with Rahu in > 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - > and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and > success comes to him for sure at one time or the other. Going abroad to > earn and reap success is not a necessity for him (due to his confidence > in his own ability and willingness to follow any method to amaze wealth > and success), but usually he does this (i.e. goes abroad). > If Garga only indicate such results with the simple mention of > Mleschha king (lord of near by non-aryan lands), Chamatkara chinamani > clearly states them in the following quote - > > Sada mleschato artham labhet sabhimanascharet kimkarena vrajet kim > videsam > Pararthannartho haret dhurtabandhuH sutotpatti soukhyam tamo > labhagaschet > (Chamatkara > Chintamani) > [if Rahu is in 11th, native will always gain wealth from the lords of > near by foreign lands. He will always travel with reputation along with > his followers and servants. But in truth why should be go abroad? (there > is no need that he should go abroad). He is the friend of money wasters > (and wastes money himself as well in business and innovative ideas and > investments), and will loss own money but will become wealthy by robbing > the money of others (here robin points to generating money through > cheating and business, basing oneself on the investment of others). He > will have children (don't assume that he won't have children since Ketu > is in 5th house; and don't think that he will not have elder coborn > since he has Rahu in 11th; defenitly he will have elder coborn), if > Rahu is in 11th house] > Yes - all that is good guidance. With out such clear guidance we might > have assumed that the native will not have elder coborns and children or > that Rahu in 11th will give only beneficial results and nothing malefic. > Now we know that even though generally beneficial monetarily - Rahu in > 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money > wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is > anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income > source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate > moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help > from the people of native place, cheating others, poverty and suffering > at times and so on. Gaining reputation, appreciative abilities, > innovative thinking, willingness to travel to gain success, knowledge of > human psychology etc stands as the positive result indicators. > Since in brief, the placement of Rahu in 11th is beneficial, Sage Brigu > only briefly mentions the results for Rahu in 11th as - > Putra samriddhaH dhanalabha SamriddhaH (Brigu Sutra) > [if Rahu in 11th the native will have many children, and will have much > wealth] > Note that the above quote is also intended as correcting some of our > possible mis-understandings - > * If Rahu is in 11th (and Ketu in 5th) the native WILL HAVE children : > Thus the advice is that, don't assume that he will not have children > since Ketu is in 5th and don't assume that he will not have elder > coborns since Rahu is in 11th. This is not so. > * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice > is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic > in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth > by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself. > Interesting are the lessons taught by the sages! The true perspective > regaring the ancient astrological knowledge can be accumulated only if > we start learning utilizing the ancient texts itself, and start trying > to see things from their perspective. Trying to understand the > perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only > will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half > baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough > attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the > sages and the path they have shown. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh Why? > > , Mohit Virmani > <mohitvirmani33@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh g, > > > > Thanks u very much for ur consideration , > thanks for even talking to me plus inviting me to ur place , Thanks for > every things , Mohit > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ > > Re:Rahu_ 11H > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:56 AM > > > > Dear Mohit ji, > > Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of > Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc > come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani > <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenad g , > > > Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just > in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : > 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2009 ///Trying to understand the perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the sages and the path they have shown./// Very True ! Thankyou Sreenadhji, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > Rahu in 11H indicates very interesting results. We know that 11H is > usually positive for all the planets. 11th is the house of gain (of > wealth), and any planet (whether be malefic or benefic) placed in 11th > should indicate gain of wealth as indicated by the significance of that > planet. But this does not in any way tell us that a malefic in 11th will > not destroy the things signified or indicated by 11th house itself. For > example a malefic such as Rahun, in 11th can indicate a bad result and > damage to the elder brother (signified by 11th house itself), but also > can indicate monetary gain to the native through the significance (such > as shares, lottary, cheating, mediatership, brokerage etc) indicated by > Rahu itself. Therefore results indicated by Rahu in 11th are neither > totally positive nor negative - it would be a mix of the two. But as > house of gain, 11H discussion would be more centered upon wealth, the > placement of any planet (whether benefic or malefic) is generally > considered as beneficial (even though in truth, the same itself can > indicate some monetary losses as well related to the significance > indicated by 11th house). Let us see what the sages has to say about the > same. Garga hora states that - > Yasya labhagato rahur labho bhavati nischayat > Mleschadhipatito noonam gajavaja radhadikam > > (Garga hora) > [For the one for whom Rahu is in 11th house, fore sure gain of wealth > would happen (this every body knows - and is a general statement; a > known result restated). (A special result to be noted is that) He will > gain special rewards (in the form of heavy vehicles) such as elephant, > horse, chariot etc from the king (of near by land; adjoining kingdom; > place away from native land) who does not follow the vedic path] > The word used is 'Mleschha Adhipatir' - which literally means lord of > Mlechha lands. During the BC 1400 period of Garga, this word 'Mleccha' > indicated in a de-generated form the people of 'Meluha' (the ancient > city of Harappa) that stopped being existence as a reputed land by > around BC 1800 itself. Thus the word 'Mechha adhipatir' indicate the > lord of Harappa or near by lands who followed ancient tantric cult. They > were reputed for their astrological, archetectural and systematic > knowledge; but was considered as de-generated cult as well to an extend > since they (the Meluhans) were not the followers of Vedic or Jain > wisdom. Please note that the majority of Aryans at that time might have > followed the Vedic path, which the Jains like Garga followed the Jain > religion. Mleschha desa might have indicated Afghanistan, Pakistan or > parts of Iran, Armenia, Tajakkistan, Baluchistan, Parts of India etc > during that period. Thus the statement, " Will be rewarded by lord of > Mlescha desa " indicate that " the native would be reputed and rewarded by > the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the > vedic path " .This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not > follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed > scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative > non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the > conservative vedic scholars; but by the non-vedic kings of adjacent > kingdoms who repute freedom of thought and presentation of innovative > ideas. Another reason for the reputation by lords of adjacent lands > could be his success as a middleman, trades man and human being with > crooked intellect to suit the situation. The individual with Rahu in > 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - > and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and > success comes to him for sure at one time or the other. Going abroad to > earn and reap success is not a necessity for him (due to his confidence > in his own ability and willingness to follow any method to amaze wealth > and success), but usually he does this (i.e. goes abroad). > If Garga only indicate such results with the simple mention of > Mleschha king (lord of near by non-aryan lands), Chamatkara chinamani > clearly states them in the following quote - > > Sada mleschato artham labhet sabhimanascharet kimkarena vrajet kim > videsam > Pararthannartho haret dhurtabandhuH sutotpatti soukhyam tamo > labhagaschet > (Chamatkara > Chintamani) > [if Rahu is in 11th, native will always gain wealth from the lords of > near by foreign lands. He will always travel with reputation along with > his followers and servants. But in truth why should be go abroad? (there > is no need that he should go abroad). He is the friend of money wasters > (and wastes money himself as well in business and innovative ideas and > investments), and will loss own money but will become wealthy by robbing > the money of others (here robin points to generating money through > cheating and business, basing oneself on the investment of others). He > will have children (don't assume that he won't have children since Ketu > is in 5th house; and don't think that he will not have elder coborn > since he has Rahu in 11th; defenitly he will have elder coborn), if > Rahu is in 11th house] > Yes - all that is good guidance. With out such clear guidance we might > have assumed that the native will not have elder coborns and children or > that Rahu in 11th will give only beneficial results and nothing malefic. > Now we know that even though generally beneficial monetarily - Rahu in > 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money > wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is > anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income > source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate > moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help > from the people of native place, cheating others, poverty and suffering > at times and so on. Gaining reputation, appreciative abilities, > innovative thinking, willingness to travel to gain success, knowledge of > human psychology etc stands as the positive result indicators. > Since in brief, the placement of Rahu in 11th is beneficial, Sage Brigu > only briefly mentions the results for Rahu in 11th as - > Putra samriddhaH dhanalabha SamriddhaH (Brigu Sutra) > [if Rahu in 11th the native will have many children, and will have much > wealth] > Note that the above quote is also intended as correcting some of our > possible mis-understandings - > * If Rahu is in 11th (and Ketu in 5th) the native WILL HAVE children : > Thus the advice is that, don't assume that he will not have children > since Ketu is in 5th and don't assume that he will not have elder > coborns since Rahu is in 11th. This is not so. > * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice > is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic > in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth > by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself. > Interesting are the lessons taught by the sages! The true perspective > regaring the ancient astrological knowledge can be accumulated only if > we start learning utilizing the ancient texts itself, and start trying > to see things from their perspective. Trying to understand the > perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only > will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half > baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough > attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the > sages and the path they have shown. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh Why? > > , Mohit Virmani > <mohitvirmani33@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh g, > > > > Thanks u very much for ur consideration , > thanks for even talking to me plus inviting me to ur place , Thanks for > every things , Mohit > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ > > Re:Rahu_ 11H > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:56 AM > > > > Dear Mohit ji, > > Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of > Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc > come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani > <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenad g , > > > Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just > in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : > 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Sreenadh Why? (and Why not?) Ji, That is most brilliant piece of writing I have seen in a long time. Not as much for the intellectual merit (which obviously is plentiful in all your emails) but more so for the spirit of enquiry, enthusiasm and discernment in the post. I just want to make sure if the following is a typo on your part: * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself* I think you meant "dont assume he will not have wealth"? Regards, -Manoj Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:29:35 AM Re:Rahu_ 11H Dear All, Rahu in 11H indicates very interesting results. We know that 11H is usually positive for all the planets. 11th is the house of gain (of wealth), and any planet (whether be malefic or benefic) placed in 11th should indicate gain of wealth as indicated by the significance of that planet. But this does not in any way tell us that a malefic in 11th will not destroy the things signified or indicated by 11th house itself. For example a malefic such as Rahun, in 11th can indicate a bad result and damage to the elder brother (signified by 11th house itself), but also can indicate monetary gain to the native through the significance (such as shares, lottary, cheating, mediatership, brokerage etc) indicated by Rahu itself. Therefore results indicated by Rahu in 11th are neither totally positive nor negative - it would be a mix of the two. But as house of gain, 11H discussion would be more centered upon wealth, the placement of any planet (whether benefic or malefic) is generally considered as beneficial (even though in truth, the same itself can indicate some monetary losses as well related to the significance indicated by 11th house). Let us see what the sages has to say about the same. Garga hora states that -Yasya labhagato rahur labho bhavati nischayatMleschadhipatito noonam gajavaja radhadikam (Garga hora)[For the one for whom Rahu is in 11th house, fore sure gain of wealth would happen (this every body knows - and is a general statement; a known result restated). (A special result to be noted is that) He will gain special rewards (in the form of heavy vehicles) such as elephant, horse, chariot etc from the king (of near by land; adjoining kingdom; place away from native land) who does not follow the vedic path] The word used is 'Mleschha Adhipatir' - which literally means lord of Mlechha lands. During the BC 1400 period of Garga, this word 'Mleccha' indicated in a de-generated form the people of 'Meluha' (the ancient city of Harappa) that stopped being existence as a reputed land by around BC 1800 itself. Thus the word 'Mechha adhipatir' indicate the lord of Harappa or near by lands who followed ancient tantric cult. They were reputed for their astrological, archetectural and systematic knowledge; but was considered as de-generated cult as well to an extend since they (the Meluhans) were not the followers of Vedic or Jain wisdom. Please note that the majority of Aryans at that time might have followed the Vedic path, which the Jains like Garga followed the Jain religion. Mleschha desa might have indicated Afghanistan, Pakistan or parts of Iran, Armenia, Tajakkistan, Baluchistan, Parts of India etc during that period. Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; but by the non-vedic kings of adjacent kingdoms who repute freedom of thought and presentation of innovative ideas. Another reason for the reputation by lords of adjacent lands could be his success as a middleman, trades man and human being with crooked intellect to suit the situation. The individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other. Going abroad to earn and reap success is not a necessity for him (due to his confidence in his own ability and willingness to follow any method to amaze wealth and success), but usually he does this (i.e. goes abroad). If Garga only indicate such results with the simple mention of Mleschha king (lord of near by non-aryan lands), Chamatkara chinamani clearly states them in the following quote -Sada mleschato artham labhet sabhimanascharet kimkarena vrajet kim videsamPararthannartho haret dhurtabandhuH sutotpatti soukhyam tamo labhagaschet (Chamatkara Chintamani)[if Rahu is in 11th, native will always gain wealth from the lords of near by foreign lands. He will always travel with reputation along with his followers and servants. But in truth why should be go abroad? (there is no need that he should go abroad). He is the friend of money wasters (and wastes money himself as well in business and innovative ideas and investments) , and will loss own money but will become wealthy by robbing the money of others (here robin points to generating money through cheating and business, basing oneself on the investment of others). He will have children (don't assume that he won't have children since Ketu is in 5th house; and don't think that he will not have elder coborn since he has Rahu in 11th; defenitly he will have elder coborn), if Rahu is in 11th house] Yes - all that is good guidance. With out such clear guidance we might have assumed that the native will not have elder coborns and children or that Rahu in 11th will give only beneficial results and nothing malefic. Now we know that even though generally beneficial monetarily - Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others, poverty and suffering at times and so on. Gaining reputation, appreciative abilities, innovative thinking, willingness to travel to gain success, knowledge of human psychology etc stands as the positive result indicators. Since in brief, the placement of Rahu in 11th is beneficial, Sage Brigu only briefly mentions the results for Rahu in 11th as - Putra samriddhaH dhanalabha SamriddhaH (Brigu Sutra)[if Rahu in 11th the native will have many children, and will have much wealth] Note that the above quote is also intended as correcting some of our possible mis-understandings - * If Rahu is in 11th (and Ketu in 5th) the native WILL HAVE children : Thus the advice is that, don't assume that he will not have children since Ketu is in 5th and don't assume that he will not have elder coborns since Rahu is in 11th. This is not so. * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself. Interesting are the lessons taught by the sages! The true perspective regaring the ancient astrological knowledge can be accumulated only if we start learning utilizing the ancient texts itself, and start trying to see things from their perspective. Trying to understand the perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the sages and the path they have shown.Love and regards,Sreenadh Why? ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh g,> > Thanks u very much for ur consideration , thanks for even talking to me plus inviting me to ur place , Thanks for every things , Mohit> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Sreenadh sreesog. wrote:> > > Sreenadh sreesog [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rahu_ 11H> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:56 AM> > Dear Mohit ji, > Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenad g ,> > Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Manoj Chandran ji, //> Dear Sreenadh Why? (and Why not?) Ji,// Ha...Ha... I liked that. Thanks. You are right - that was a typo; the not I thought but missed to type. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Why? (and Why not?) Ji,> > That is most brilliant piece of writing I have seen in a long time. Not as much for the intellectual merit (which obviously is plentiful in all your emails) but more so for the spirit of enquiry, enthusiasm and discernment in the post.> > I just want to make sure if the following is a typo on your part:> > * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself*> > I think you meant "dont assume he will not have wealth"?> > Regards,> > -Manoj Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Thanks. Recently I see you, Bhagavati ji and myself regularly present in AIA website. Reading all that is present there and making me devoid of more material?! I promise that I will fill-up that site with more material than you all can read and finish it off. Hm... taking a very active interest in astrology now a days, right? Good - that is real good news. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> ///Trying to understand the perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the sages and the path they have shown.///> > Very True !> > Thankyou Sreenadhji,> > Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji,BOth your analysis' - the one on saturn debilitated in 6th and rahu in 11th were very good.Thanks, Anita--- On Sun, 12/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re:Rahu_ 11H Date: Sunday, 12 July, 2009, 4:29 PM Dear All, Rahu in 11H indicates very interesting results. We know that 11H is usually positive for all the planets. 11th is the house of gain (of wealth), and any planet (whether be malefic or benefic) placed in 11th should indicate gain of wealth as indicated by the significance of that planet. But this does not in any way tell us that a malefic in 11th will not destroy the things signified or indicated by 11th house itself. For example a malefic such as Rahun, in 11th can indicate a bad result and damage to the elder brother (signified by 11th house itself), but also can indicate monetary gain to the native through the significance (such as shares, lottary, cheating, mediatership, brokerage etc) indicated by Rahu itself. Therefore results indicated by Rahu in 11th are neither totally positive nor negative - it would be a mix of the two. But as house of gain, 11H discussion would be more centered upon wealth, the placement of any planet (whether benefic or malefic) is generally considered as beneficial (even though in truth, the same itself can indicate some monetary losses as well related to the significance indicated by 11th house). Let us see what the sages has to say about the same. Garga hora states that -Yasya labhagato rahur labho bhavati nischayatMleschadhipatito noonam gajavaja radhadikam (Garga hora)[For the one for whom Rahu is in 11th house, fore sure gain of wealth would happen (this every body knows - and is a general statement; a known result restated). (A special result to be noted is that) He will gain special rewards (in the form of heavy vehicles) such as elephant, horse, chariot etc from the king (of near by land; adjoining kingdom; place away from native land) who does not follow the vedic path] The word used is 'Mleschha Adhipatir' - which literally means lord of Mlechha lands. During the BC 1400 period of Garga, this word 'Mleccha' indicated in a de-generated form the people of 'Meluha' (the ancient city of Harappa) that stopped being existence as a reputed land by around BC 1800 itself. Thus the word 'Mechha adhipatir' indicate the lord of Harappa or near by lands who followed ancient tantric cult. They were reputed for their astrological, archetectural and systematic knowledge; but was considered as de-generated cult as well to an extend since they (the Meluhans) were not the followers of Vedic or Jain wisdom. Please note that the majority of Aryans at that time might have followed the Vedic path, which the Jains like Garga followed the Jain religion. Mleschha desa might have indicated Afghanistan, Pakistan or parts of Iran, Armenia, Tajakkistan, Baluchistan, Parts of India etc during that period. Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; but by the non-vedic kings of adjacent kingdoms who repute freedom of thought and presentation of innovative ideas. Another reason for the reputation by lords of adjacent lands could be his success as a middleman, trades man and human being with crooked intellect to suit the situation. The individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other. Going abroad to earn and reap success is not a necessity for him (due to his confidence in his own ability and willingness to follow any method to amaze wealth and success), but usually he does this (i.e. goes abroad). If Garga only indicate such results with the simple mention of Mleschha king (lord of near by non-aryan lands), Chamatkara chinamani clearly states them in the following quote -Sada mleschato artham labhet sabhimanascharet kimkarena vrajet kim videsamPararthannartho haret dhurtabandhuH sutotpatti soukhyam tamo labhagaschet (Chamatkara Chintamani)[if Rahu is in 11th, native will always gain wealth from the lords of near by foreign lands. He will always travel with reputation along with his followers and servants. But in truth why should be go abroad? (there is no need that he should go abroad). He is the friend of money wasters (and wastes money himself as well in business and innovative ideas and investments) , and will loss own money but will become wealthy by robbing the money of others (here robin points to generating money through cheating and business, basing oneself on the investment of others). He will have children (don't assume that he won't have children since Ketu is in 5th house; and don't think that he will not have elder coborn since he has Rahu in 11th; defenitly he will have elder coborn), if Rahu is in 11th house] Yes - all that is good guidance. With out such clear guidance we might have assumed that the native will not have elder coborns and children or that Rahu in 11th will give only beneficial results and nothing malefic. Now we know that even though generally beneficial monetarily - Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others, poverty and suffering at times and so on. Gaining reputation, appreciative abilities, innovative thinking, willingness to travel to gain success, knowledge of human psychology etc stands as the positive result indicators. Since in brief, the placement of Rahu in 11th is beneficial, Sage Brigu only briefly mentions the results for Rahu in 11th as - Putra samriddhaH dhanalabha SamriddhaH (Brigu Sutra)[if Rahu in 11th the native will have many children, and will have much wealth] Note that the above quote is also intended as correcting some of our possible mis-understandings - * If Rahu is in 11th (and Ketu in 5th) the native WILL HAVE children : Thus the advice is that, don't assume that he will not have children since Ketu is in 5th and don't assume that he will not have elder coborns since Rahu is in 11th. This is not so. * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself. Interesting are the lessons taught by the sages! The true perspective regaring the ancient astrological knowledge can be accumulated only if we start learning utilizing the ancient texts itself, and start trying to see things from their perspective. Trying to understand the perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the sages and the path they have shown.Love and regards,Sreenadh Why? ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh g,> > Thanks u very much for ur consideration , thanks for even talking to me plus inviting me to ur place , Thanks for every things , Mohit> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Sreenadh sreesog. wrote:> > > Sreenadh sreesog [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rahu_ 11H> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:56 AM> > Dear Mohit ji, > Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenad g ,> > Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Respested Sreenadh ji, Thanks u so so so much for taking up the topic of Rahu in 11th house as i requested tht , Well u write so beautifully wit so simplify way , Sir i dont understand as u said he individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other.( Well wasting on money on investment & business confused ?) As u wrote:(Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others & poverty n suffering at times & so on ), Well even i have Rahu in 11th house and in early stages i had no success in Rahu Dasha. As u wrote Thus the statement, " Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa " indicate that " the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path " .This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; Well even i agree wit u wrote tht i dont appreciate the Vedic path but still despite study astrology in non traditional way, Well sir u wrote superb , My birth data is 23.07.1975 time is 2030 place is delhi for more depth study , Thanks u , Mohit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Respected Sh Sreenadh ji, Thanks for the nice article. I would like to add the our sages have take each bhava in two aspects. One for the Jeeva and second for the material. Most of the raja yoga and "malefic in 11th house give benefic results" is in reference to material, not Jeeva. Sage Parashar has taken the dasha of 11th lord as malefic,it does not mean that dasha of 11th will not give wealth or gain during his dasha, but it will not give peace of mind to the Jeeva. During the malefic lord of 11th's dasha the native have abundance of money, but no peace of mind.It also mean that the benefic planet in 11th will give money with fare means and malefic planet will give money through wrong means. So Rahu in 11th will give money through gambling, speculation etc as you have stated, but the native will suffer from loss of peace of mind. You can correct me if I am wrong. regards--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re:Rahu_ 11H Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 9:59 PM Dear All, Rahu in 11H indicates very interesting results. We know that 11H is usually positive for all the planets. 11th is the house of gain (of wealth), and any planet (whether be malefic or benefic) placed in 11th should indicate gain of wealth as indicated by the significance of that planet. But this does not in any way tell us that a malefic in 11th will not destroy the things signified or indicated by 11th house itself. For example a malefic such as Rahun, in 11th can indicate a bad result and damage to the elder brother (signified by 11th house itself), but also can indicate monetary gain to the native through the significance (such as shares, lottary, cheating, mediatership, brokerage etc) indicated by Rahu itself. Therefore results indicated by Rahu in 11th are neither totally positive nor negative - it would be a mix of the two. But as house of gain, 11H discussion would be more centered upon wealth, the placement of any planet (whether benefic or malefic) is generally considered as beneficial (even though in truth, the same itself can indicate some monetary losses as well related to the significance indicated by 11th house). Let us see what the sages has to say about the same. Garga hora states that -Yasya labhagato rahur labho bhavati nischayatMleschadhipatito noonam gajavaja radhadikam (Garga hora)[For the one for whom Rahu is in 11th house, fore sure gain of wealth would happen (this every body knows - and is a general statement; a known result restated). (A special result to be noted is that) He will gain special rewards (in the form of heavy vehicles) such as elephant, horse, chariot etc from the king (of near by land; adjoining kingdom; place away from native land) who does not follow the vedic path] The word used is 'Mleschha Adhipatir' - which literally means lord of Mlechha lands. During the BC 1400 period of Garga, this word 'Mleccha' indicated in a de-generated form the people of 'Meluha' (the ancient city of Harappa) that stopped being existence as a reputed land by around BC 1800 itself. Thus the word 'Mechha adhipatir' indicate the lord of Harappa or near by lands who followed ancient tantric cult. They were reputed for their astrological, archetectural and systematic knowledge; but was considered as de-generated cult as well to an extend since they (the Meluhans) were not the followers of Vedic or Jain wisdom. Please note that the majority of Aryans at that time might have followed the Vedic path, which the Jains like Garga followed the Jain religion. Mleschha desa might have indicated Afghanistan, Pakistan or parts of Iran, Armenia, Tajakkistan, Baluchistan, Parts of India etc during that period. Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; but by the non-vedic kings of adjacent kingdoms who repute freedom of thought and presentation of innovative ideas. Another reason for the reputation by lords of adjacent lands could be his success as a middleman, trades man and human being with crooked intellect to suit the situation. The individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other. Going abroad to earn and reap success is not a necessity for him (due to his confidence in his own ability and willingness to follow any method to amaze wealth and success), but usually he does this (i.e. goes abroad). If Garga only indicate such results with the simple mention of Mleschha king (lord of near by non-aryan lands), Chamatkara chinamani clearly states them in the following quote -Sada mleschato artham labhet sabhimanascharet kimkarena vrajet kim videsamPararthannartho haret dhurtabandhuH sutotpatti soukhyam tamo labhagaschet (Chamatkara Chintamani)[if Rahu is in 11th, native will always gain wealth from the lords of near by foreign lands. He will always travel with reputation along with his followers and servants. But in truth why should be go abroad? (there is no need that he should go abroad). He is the friend of money wasters (and wastes money himself as well in business and innovative ideas and investments), and will loss own money but will become wealthy by robbing the money of others (here robin points to generating money through cheating and business, basing oneself on the investment of others). He will have children (don't assume that he won't have children since Ketu is in 5th house; and don't think that he will not have elder coborn since he has Rahu in 11th; defenitly he will have elder coborn), if Rahu is in 11th house] Yes - all that is good guidance. With out such clear guidance we might have assumed that the native will not have elder coborns and children or that Rahu in 11th will give only beneficial results and nothing malefic. Now we know that even though generally beneficial monetarily - Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others, poverty and suffering at times and so on. Gaining reputation, appreciative abilities, innovative thinking, willingness to travel to gain success, knowledge of human psychology etc stands as the positive result indicators. Since in brief, the placement of Rahu in 11th is beneficial, Sage Brigu only briefly mentions the results for Rahu in 11th as - Putra samriddhaH dhanalabha SamriddhaH (Brigu Sutra)[if Rahu in 11th the native will have many children, and will have much wealth] Note that the above quote is also intended as correcting some of our possible mis-understandings - * If Rahu is in 11th (and Ketu in 5th) the native WILL HAVE children : Thus the advice is that, don't assume that he will not have children since Ketu is in 5th and don't assume that he will not have elder coborns since Rahu is in 11th. This is not so. * If Rahu is in 11th he will accumulate much wealth: Thus the advice is that, don't asume that he will have wealth since there is a malefic in the house of gain. It is not so - the native will accumulate wealth by utilizing the qualities and things signified by Rahu itself. Interesting are the lessons taught by the sages! The true perspective regaring the ancient astrological knowledge can be accumulated only if we start learning utilizing the ancient texts itself, and start trying to see things from their perspective. Trying to understand the perspective of the sages, and understanding their knowledge base only will give us the true understanding of ancient indian astrology - half baked knowledge and trying to learn new things without spending enough attention to the foundations is not going to help. Let us bow to the sages and the path they have shown.Love and regards,Sreenadh Why? , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh g,> > Thanks u very much for ur consideration , thanks for even talking to me plus inviting me to ur place , Thanks for every things , Mohit> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Sreenadh sreesog Re:Rahu_ 11H> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 5:56 AM> > Dear Mohit ji, > Thanks. We can take up this chart when we discuss the effect of Rahu in 11H. Let this discussions such as Rahu in 3rd, 1st, 5th etc come to a halt, then we will take up Rahu in 11th and this chart. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenad g ,> > Well u can take my birth chart as i have Rahu in 11th house n just in last stages of Rahu Dasa ( Rahu - Mars) Birth Details r : 23.07.1975 Time: 20.30 Place : Delhi > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Respected Sreenadhji, Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. Please write on this. Thanks with regards, Yours sincerely ,--SUNITA -- Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 11:36:14 AM Re:Rahu_ 11H Respested Sreenadh ji, Thanks u so so so much for taking up the topic of Rahu in 11th house as i requested tht , Well u write so beautifully wit so simplify way , Sir i dont understand as u said he individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other.( Well wasting on money on investment & business confused ?)As u wrote:(Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others & poverty n suffering at times & so on ), Well even i have Rahu in 11th house and in early stages i had no success in Rahu Dasha.As u wrote Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; Well even i agree wit u wrote tht i dont appreciate the Vedic path but still despite study astrology in non traditional way,Well sir u wrote superb , My birth data is 23.07.1975 time is 2030 place is delhi for more depth study , Thanks u , Mohit See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Kursija ji, //Thanks for the nice article.// It was your above statement that made me aware that it could be an article than a mere response message. So I have spell checked the same and posted it in AIA site as well. True - it is an article, even though I was not aware. Thanks. Also thanks for the valuable perspective shared about Rahu in 11H. I agree with you. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Respected Sh Sreenadh ji,> Thanks for the nice article. I would like to add the our sages have take each bhava in two aspects. One for the Jeeva and second for the material. Most of the raja yoga and "malefic in 11th house give benefic results" is in reference to material, not Jeeva. Sage Parashar has taken the dasha of 11th lord as malefic,it does not mean that dasha of 11th will not give wealth or gain during his dasha, but it will not give peace of mind to the Jeeva. During the malefic lord of 11th's dasha the native have abundance of money, but no peace of mind.> It also mean that the benefic planet in 11th will give money with fare means and malefic planet will give money through wrong means. So Rahu in 11th will give money through gambling, speculation etc as you have stated, but the native will suffer from loss of peace of mind. You can correct me if I am wrong.> regards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Sreenadhji and other members,As Shri Kursijaji mentioned & also it is commonly known that Lord of 11th house has to be seen as a malefic & its dasha will bring lots of obstruction to the native's life...But if some planet is posited in the 11th House than will that planet take the responsibility of delivering the inauspicious results of the 11th house or still the deliverance will stay with the 11th lord..--- On Mon, 13/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:Sreenadh <sreesog Re:Rahu_ 11H Date: Monday, 13 July, 2009, 10:24 PM Dear Kursija ji, //Thanks for the nice article.// It was your above statement that made me aware that it could be an article than a mere response message. So I have spell checked the same and posted it in AIA site as well. True - it is an article, even though I was not aware. Thanks. Also thanks for the valuable perspective shared about Rahu in 11H. I agree with you. :)Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@.. .> wrote:>> Respected Sh Sreenadh ji,> Thanks for the nice article. I would like to add the our sages have take each bhava in two aspects. One for the Jeeva and second for the material. Most of the raja yoga and "malefic in 11th house give benefic results" is in reference to material, not Jeeva. Sage Parashar has taken the dasha of 11th lord as malefic,it does not mean that dasha of 11th will not give wealth or gain during his dasha, but it will not give peace of mind to the Jeeva. During the malefic lord of 11th's dasha the native have abundance of money, but no peace of mind.> It also mean that the benefic planet in 11th will give money with fare means and malefic planet will give money through wrong means. So Rahu in 11th will give money through gambling, speculation etc as you have stated, but the native will suffer from loss of peace of mind. You can correct me if I am wrong.> regards Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Mohit ji, Thanks for the appreciation, and also in knowing that it matches your profile. //.( Well wasting on money on investment & business confused ?)// Yes - in your case intuitive and guess based investments such as share and both loss and gain of money from the same. Of course that or similar things could be a good field for you. Invest the money of others, guide them or be a middleman/broker etc in such investments - that could also be beneficial. But don't forget that like in any luck and guess based investment/business initiative - chance of both heavy losses at times is also there. But overall things would be positive and beneficial. Hope this clarifies. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respested Sreenadh ji,> > > Thanks u so so so much for taking up the topic of Rahu in 11th house as i requested tht , Well u write so beautifully wit so simplify way , Sir i dont understand as u said he individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other.( Well wasting on money on investment & business confused ?)> > > As u wrote:(Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others & poverty n suffering at times & so on ), Well even i have Rahu in 11th house and in early stages i had no success in Rahu Dasha.> > > As u wrote Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; Well even i agree wit u wrote tht i dont appreciate the Vedic path but still despite study astrology in non traditional way,> > Well sir u wrote superb , My birth data is 23.07.1975 time is 2030 place is delhi for more depth study , Thanks u , Mohit> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Sunitaji,9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results ....9th house Rahu will generally make native a person who doesnt respect the customs,traditions...He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members.....It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..--- On Mon, 13/7/09, Sunita Joshi <sunita_joshi07 wrote:Sunita Joshi <sunita_joshi07Re: Re:Rahu_ 11H Date: Monday, 13 July, 2009, 4:11 PM Respected Sreenadhji, Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. Please write on this. Thanks with regards, Yours sincerely ,--SUNITA -- Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 13 July, 2009 11:36:14 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rahu_ 11H Respested Sreenadh ji, Thanks u so so so much for taking up the topic of Rahu in 11th house as i requested tht , Well u write so beautifully wit so simplify way , Sir i dont understand as u said he individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other.( Well wasting on money on investment & business confused ?)As u wrote:(Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others & poverty n suffering at times & so on ), Well even i have Rahu in 11th house and in early stages i had no success in Rahu Dasha.As u wrote Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; Well even i agree wit u wrote tht i dont appreciate the Vedic path but still despite study astrology in non traditional way,Well sir u wrote superb , My birth data is 23.07.1975 time is 2030 place is delhi for more depth study , Thanks u , Mohit See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Deepen Ji, Could you please list the different MKS positions of planets or point to a classic where I can refer to it? Regards. Manoj deepen thakkar <justcoolout Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:31:03 AMRe: Re:Rahu_ 11H Sunitaji,9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results ....9th house Rahu will generally make native a person who doesnt respect the customs,traditions. ..He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members..... It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..--- On Mon, 13/7/09, Sunita Joshi <sunita_joshi07@ > wrote: Sunita Joshi <sunita_joshi07@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rahu_ 11Hancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 13 July, 2009, 4:11 PM Respected Sreenadhji, Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. Please write on this. Thanks with regards, Yours sincerely ,--SUNITA -- Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 13 July, 2009 11:36:14 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rahu_ 11H Respested Sreenadh ji, Thanks u so so so much for taking up the topic of Rahu in 11th house as i requested tht , Well u write so beautifully wit so simplify way , Sir i dont understand as u said he individual with Rahu in 11th is usually ready to take his chances and does not value his money - and usually wastes money on investments and businesses. He is daring and success comes to him for sure at one time or the other.( Well wasting on money on investment & business confused ?)As u wrote:(Rahu in 11th can indicate much bad results as well - such as wandering, money wasting, interest in shares-playing cards-lottary etc i.e. that is anything that demands intution and guesswork, not getting proper income source during early stages of life (planets in panapara indicate moderately late results), bad company, non-coperation and lack of help from the people of native place, cheating others & poverty n suffering at times & so on ), Well even i have Rahu in 11th house and in early stages i had no success in Rahu Dasha.As u wrote Thus the statement, "Will be rewarded by lord of Mlescha desa" indicate that "the native would be reputed and rewarded by the non-vedic kings of near by countries, which does not follow the vedic path".This can happen, if and only if the native itself does not follow and appreciate the Vedic path but still would be a reputed scholar. Since he is a non-traditional scholar and follows innovative non-traditional, non-conservative path - he will not be reputed by the conservative vedic scholars; Well even i agree wit u wrote tht i dont appreciate the Vedic path but still despite study astrology in non traditional way,Well sir u wrote superb , My birth data is 23.07.1975 time is 2030 place is delhi for more depth study , Thanks u , Mohit See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Deepen Ji, According to my teachings this does not hold true in practice. I have been taught that if the 11L is strong and well placed and unafflicted, his dasha will infact be very good in terms of materialistic achievements (which is what people go after in this day and age). It may not bring any religious/spiritual fulfillment. All opposing views welcome. If any one has any practical example to show otherwise I would be grateful. -Manoj deepen thakkar <justcoolout Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:18:03 AMRe: Re:Rahu_ 11H Dear Sreenadhji and other members,As Shri Kursijaji mentioned & also it is commonly known that Lord of 11th house has to be seen as a malefic & its dasha will bring lots of obstruction to the native's life...But if some planet is posited in the 11th House than will that planet take the responsibility of delivering the inauspicious results of the 11th house or still the deliverance will stay with the 11th lord..--- On Mon, 13/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rahu_ 11Hancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 13 July, 2009, 10:24 PM Dear Kursija ji, //Thanks for the nice article.// It was your above statement that made me aware that it could be an article than a mere response message. So I have spell checked the same and posted it in AIA site as well. True - it is an article, even though I was not aware. Thanks. Also thanks for the valuable perspective shared about Rahu in 11H. I agree with you. :)Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@.. .> wrote:>> Respected Sh Sreenadh ji,> Thanks for the nice article. I would like to add the our sages have take each bhava in two aspects. One for the Jeeva and second for the material. Most of the raja yoga and "malefic in 11th house give benefic results" is in reference to material, not Jeeva. Sage Parashar has taken the dasha of 11th lord as malefic,it does not mean that dasha of 11th will not give wealth or gain during his dasha, but it will not give peace of mind to the Jeeva. During the malefic lord of 11th's dasha the native have abundance of money, but no peace of mind.> It also mean that the benefic planet in 11th will give money with fare means and malefic planet will give money through wrong means. So Rahu in 11th will give money through gambling, speculation etc as you have stated, but the native will suffer from loss of peace of mind. You can correct me if I am wrong.> regards Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear discussing members, I am not very active these days. However, ths post caught my attention- // 9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results// could you tell me how the cancellation of this avastha occurs. I am not familiar with this and I have not heard of this before. // He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members.....It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..// I have rahu in 9th in kumbha, running this dasha, currently in the fag end. As far as I know, I am not known to be deceptive, traitor or a liar. I am not saying I am a satyavadi, I have told lies ocasionally for fun, those are white lies. It is true I live away from home and family, but my weekly phone bills are too high- so I have ties with everyone// Respected Sreenadhji,> Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. // It has not affected my dharma at all. Regarding education, have many academic degrees and diplomas, still going steady in education, plan to get atleast two more degrees. Father died in peace. Could have been nice if he lived more. But that is destiny, all born have to die. How long can a person live? bhagavathi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Pranam All Guruji, 9th bhav shows the dharma (sanskars given by parents you can say or the some rules of society which we obey since childhood).. When rahu placed there and when dasa of rahu begins, with some adverse situation, all those sanskars or rules get disturbed and native starts new life with his own ideas and belief. Whether this happens for MKS of rahu in 9th bhav? Yours sincerely ,--SUNITA -- bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Sent: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 1:24:20 AM Re:Rahu_ 11H Dear discussing members, I am not very active these days. However, ths post caught my attention- // 9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results// could you tell me how the cancellation of this avastha occurs. I am not familiar with this and I have not heard of this before. // He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members..... It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..// I have rahu in 9th in kumbha, running this dasha, currently in the fag end. As far as I know, I am not known to be deceptive, traitor or a liar. I am not saying I am a satyavadi, I have told lies ocasionally for fun, those are white lies. It is true I live away from home and family, but my weekly phone bills are too high- so I have ties with everyone// Respected Sreenadhji,> Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. // It has not affected my dharma at all. Regarding education, have many academic degrees and diplomas, still going steady in education, plan to get atleast two more degrees. Father died in peace. Could have been nice if he lived more. But that is destiny, all born have to die. How long can a person live? bhagavathi Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 dear grp can any one show me How this MKS is working in reality and its exceptions ( i am asking this question related to all planets including rahu ) rgrds sunil nair , Sunita Joshi <sunita_joshi07 wrote:>> Pranam All Guruji,> 9th bhav shows the dharma (sanskars given by parents you can say or the some rules of society which we obey since childhood). When rahu placed there and when dasa of rahu begins, with some adverse situation, all those sanskars or rules get disturbed and native starts new life with his own ideas and belief. Whether this happens for MKS of rahu in 9th bhav? > Yours sincerely ,> --SUNITA -- > > > > > ________________________________> bhagavathi_hariharan bhagavathi_hariharan > Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 1:24:20 AM> Re:Rahu_ 11H> > > > > > Dear discussing members,> I am not very active these days. However, ths post caught my attention-> // 9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results//> could you tell me how the cancellation of this avastha occurs. I am not familiar with this and I have not heard of this before. > // He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members..... It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..//> I have rahu in 9th in kumbha, running this dasha, currently in the fag end. As far as I know, I am not known to be deceptive, traitor or a liar. I am not saying I am a satyavadi, I have told lies ocasionally for fun, those are white lies. It is true I live away from home and family, but my weekly phone bills are too high- so I have ties with everyone> > // Respected Sreenadhji,> > Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. //> It has not affected my dharma at all. Regarding education, have many academic degrees and diplomas, still going steady in education, plan to get atleast two more degrees. Father died in peace. Could have been nice if he lived more. But that is destiny, all born have to die. How long can a person live? > bhagavathi> > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Sunitaji, In my case it has not. I belong to a conservative brahmin Iyer family. I grew up in that atmosphere, about 6 years after Rahu dasha started, I started to live in the muslim world, but I continued with my practises. In fact I was active in organizing bhajans, pujas etc. I was one of the active members in a mahamrityunajay havan conducted in a muslim country for someone's welfare. I moved out of muslim world into another country totally different from ours. I still continue to live here as a brahmin. My culture and practise never changed. I do not know much about MKS. I shall appreciate if you can write about MKS, and particularly how it gets cancelled. Regards, bhagavathi , Sunita Joshi <sunita_joshi07 wrote: > > Pranam All Guruji, > 9th bhav shows the dharma (sanskars given by parents you can say or the some rules of society which we obey since childhood). When rahu placed there and when dasa of rahu begins, with some adverse situation, all those sanskars or rules get disturbed and native starts new life with his own ideas and belief. Whether this happens for MKS of rahu in 9th bhav? > Yours sincerely , > --SUNITA -- > > > > > ________________________________ > bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan > > Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 1:24:20 AM > Re:Rahu_ 11H > > > > > > Dear discussing members, > I am not very active these days. However, ths post caught my attention- > // 9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results// > could you tell me how the cancellation of this avastha occurs. I am not familiar with this and I have not heard of this before. > // He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members..... It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..// > I have rahu in 9th in kumbha, running this dasha, currently in the fag end. As far as I know, I am not known to be deceptive, traitor or a liar. I am not saying I am a satyavadi, I have told lies ocasionally for fun, those are white lies. It is true I live away from home and family, but my weekly phone bills are too high- so I have ties with everyone > > // Respected Sreenadhji, > > Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning " Vedic Jyotish " . Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. // > It has not affected my dharma at all. Regarding education, have many academic degrees and diplomas, still going steady in education, plan to get atleast two more degrees. Father died in peace. Could have been nice if he lived more. But that is destiny, all born have to die. How long can a person live? > bhagavathi > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Bhagavathi Ji, One of the artifacts of interacting like this on the net without charts in front of us is that one has to take the information as "piece meal one at a time". Then one has to assemble it all together in the chart (you obviously know this since you have made correct predictions, but I am just restating for explanation sake). Whenver we analyze the nodes, two things are cirtical. a) Are they conjoined any other planets b) What is their dispositor? As you already know Nodes are not real Planets but they are still "grahas" (since they grasp us to get our attention !!!). It is very likely that either your Rahu is conjoined a benific planet or a planet that owns good houses or both. In the event there are no planets conjoining Rahu, maybe the dispositor of Rahu is well placed/ and or well aspected. These conditions will predominantly decide what results Rahu gives in his dasha. Also all results do not have to manifest for a given planet. For example Rahu in the 9th could also give other results: Example one does not have to go towards adharma but a different dharma. I know one very talented Jyotishi in the US who has Rahu in her 9th house and yes she left her dharma (Christianity) and practised Astrology (which is against Christian dharma). Rahu in the 9th can also give you an unorthodox teacher or Guru. 9th house being the house of forefathers, if other indications support it, Rahu in 9th can also lead people to analyze their heritage/ genetic lineage etc. On the other hand if afflicted it can lead to messing around with Psychic boards and trying to contact dead spirits etc. But some of the things will be surely true. For example you may not be a "traditional person". You may have some "untraditional beliefs" that your parents may not totally agree to. Even astrology may be one of them. If you had followed Sreenadh Ji's description of Saturn being debilitated in Aries in the 6th house, one of his comments was "He may even murder people due to his fear and cowardice by resorting to degenerated ways and cheating." Well what can I say, I have this combination, so may be we should call Interpol and turn me over since I am obviously a serial killer . Fortunately for me my 5th lord Jp aspects this Saturn in the 6th and also aspects the Ruler of the 6th and also aspects my Lagna Lord. Jupiter is a first rate benefic for Scorpio Lagna and being the lord of the 5th house of discrimination, he keeps Saturn in check. Further my 9th lord is in the 9th house. It also helps that my Saturn dasha was over when I was 2 years of age. !!! So the world was saved from the clutches of one more serial killer. (Ofcourse Sreenadh Ji was very smart and very careful to say at the end that other planets and dasha could change this, which is what happened in this case). So please take all these single discussions with a piece of salt. You already know how to make the meal, just take the information and vary the ingredients to make a better meal . By the way every thing above that I said has been said in a discussing mode and not a teaching mode. So you may know all of it already and it is probably more thinking aloud for me than anything else. Regards, -Manoj bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:54:20 PM Re:Rahu_ 11H Dear discussing members, I am not very active these days. However, ths post caught my attention- // 9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results// could you tell me how the cancellation of this avastha occurs. I am not familiar with this and I have not heard of this before. // He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members..... It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..// I have rahu in 9th in kumbha, running this dasha, currently in the fag end. As far as I know, I am not known to be deceptive, traitor or a liar. I am not saying I am a satyavadi, I have told lies ocasionally for fun, those are white lies. It is true I live away from home and family, but my weekly phone bills are too high- so I have ties with everyone// Respected Sreenadhji,> Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. // It has not affected my dharma at all. Regarding education, have many academic degrees and diplomas, still going steady in education, plan to get atleast two more degrees. Father died in peace. Could have been nice if he lived more. But that is destiny, all born have to die. How long can a person live? bhagavathi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear manojji, The current discussion I believe is only based on rahu in 9th, a general statement. So the answer I gave is also based on rahu in 9th. We are not now concerned about aspects/yuti etc. If you really want to know, I sahll tell my rahu is in kumbha, in satabhisha nakshatra, dispositor saturn debilitated in my 11th house. Saturn all alone in 11th. rahu aspected by mars, jupiter. Mars is a potent malefic for my lagna. Jupiter gives a 5th aspect on my rahu. //You may have some " untraditional beliefs " that your parents may not totally agree to. Even astrology may be one of them.// Astrology runs in my blood. Both my parents families have had and still continue to have savants Regards, bhagavathi , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Bhagavathi Ji, > > One of the artifacts of interacting like this on the net without charts in front of us is that one has to take the information as " piece meal one at a time " . Then one has to assemble it all together in the chart (you obviously know this since you have made correct predictions, but I am just restating for explanation sake). Whenver we analyze the nodes, two things are cirtical. a) Are they conjoined any other planets b) What is their dispositor? As you already know Nodes are not real Planets but they are still " grahas " (since they grasp us to get our attention !!!). > > It is very likely that either your Rahu is conjoined a benific planet or a planet that owns good houses or both. In the event there are no planets conjoining Rahu, maybe the dispositor of Rahu is well placed/ and or well aspected. These conditions will predominantly decide what results Rahu gives in his dasha. > > Also all results do not have to manifest for a given planet. For example Rahu in the 9th could also give other results: Example one does not have to go towards adharma but a different dharma. I know one very talented Jyotishi in the US who has Rahu in her 9th house and yes she left her dharma (Christianity) and practised Astrology (which is against Christian dharma). > > Rahu in the 9th can also give you an unorthodox teacher or Guru. 9th house being the house of forefathers, if other indications support it, Rahu in 9th can also lead people to analyze their heritage/ genetic lineage etc. On the other hand if afflicted it can lead to messing around with Psychic boards and trying to contact dead spirits etc. > > But some of the things will be surely true. For example you may not be a " traditional person " . You may have some " untraditional beliefs " that your parents may not totally agree to. Even astrology may be one of them. > > If you had followed Sreenadh Ji's description of Saturn being debilitated in Aries in the 6th house, one of his comments was " He may even murder people due to his fear and cowardice by resorting to degenerated ways and cheating. " Well what can I say, I have this combination, so may be we should call Interpol and turn me over since I am obviously a serial killer . Fortunately for me my 5th lord Jp aspects this Saturn in the 6th and also aspects the Ruler of the 6th and also aspects my Lagna Lord. Jupiter is a first rate benefic for Scorpio Lagna and being the lord of the 5th house of discrimination, he keeps Saturn in check. Further my 9th lord is in the 9th house. It also helps that my Saturn dasha was over when I was 2 years of age. !!! So the world was saved from the clutches of one more serial killer. (Ofcourse Sreenadh Ji was very smart and very careful to say at the end that other planets and dasha could change this, which is what happened in > this case). > > So please take all these single discussions with a piece of salt. You already know how to make the meal, just take the information and vary the ingredients to make a better meal . > > By the way every thing above that I said has been said in a discussing mode and not a teaching mode. So you may know all of it already and it is probably more thinking aloud for me than anything else. > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > ________________________________ > bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan > > Monday, July 13, 2009 12:54:20 PM > Re:Rahu_ 11H > > > > > > Dear discussing members, > I am not very active these days. However, ths post caught my attention- > // 9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results// > could you tell me how the cancellation of this avastha occurs. I am not familiar with this and I have not heard of this before. > // He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members..... It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..// > I have rahu in 9th in kumbha, running this dasha, currently in the fag end. As far as I know, I am not known to be deceptive, traitor or a liar. I am not saying I am a satyavadi, I have told lies ocasionally for fun, those are white lies. It is true I live away from home and family, but my weekly phone bills are too high- so I have ties with everyone > > // Respected Sreenadhji, > > Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning " Vedic Jyotish " . Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. // > It has not affected my dharma at all. Regarding education, have many academic degrees and diplomas, still going steady in education, plan to get atleast two more degrees. Father died in peace. Could have been nice if he lived more. But that is destiny, all born have to die. How long can a person live? > bhagavathi > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Bhagavathi Ji, Sorry I forgot to mention one more thing which is of importance. You said your Rahu is in 9th in Kumbha (Aquarius). Is it by any chance in the Nakshatra of Shatahisha? If so it is Rahu's own Nakshatra and will give very good results. Also even if it is in the other two Nak's (Dhanishta owned by Mars or Purva Bhadrapada owned by Jupiter) it is good because in general Kumbha (Aquarius) is a very spiritual Rashi and brings out the spiritual side of Rahu through that Rashi. Also you may have heard of the saying "Rahu behaves like Saturn" so he does well in Saturn Rashis. It is also interesting to note that some people take Aquarius to be Rahu's own Rashi. So those are more reasons why he is doing well since his spiritual side is accentuated in this Rashi. Hope that was helpful. Regards, -Manoj bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:54:20 PM Re:Rahu_ 11H Dear discussing members, I am not very active these days. However, ths post caught my attention- // 9th house for rahu is its MKS (maran karak sthan) ,unles if the cancellation of this MKS awastha isnt happening,Rahu will delivery very inauspicious results// could you tell me how the cancellation of this avastha occurs. I am not familiar with this and I have not heard of this before. // He wont stay with his family and if he stays there wont too much harmony between him and family members..... It wiil make native very deceptive,one who will always speak lies and also a sort of traitor..// I have rahu in 9th in kumbha, running this dasha, currently in the fag end. As far as I know, I am not known to be deceptive, traitor or a liar. I am not saying I am a satyavadi, I have told lies ocasionally for fun, those are white lies. It is true I live away from home and family, but my weekly phone bills are too high- so I have ties with everyone// Respected Sreenadhji,> Pranam. Very valuable knowledge you gave us. I am learning "Vedic Jyotish". Sir, give detail knowledge about rahu situtated in 9th bhav. It is Dharma bhav. Rahu will give adverse effect on education, dharma, father. // It has not affected my dharma at all. Regarding education, have many academic degrees and diplomas, still going steady in education, plan to get atleast two more degrees. Father died in peace. Could have been nice if he lived more. But that is destiny, all born have to die. How long can a person live? bhagavathi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
