Guru-Rahu Rendezvous

[Guest guest]

Dear Liana,

 

Thanks for your feed back. Whatever be the lagna, we can see the

effects of Jup-rahu conjunction generally on relationships, marriage

and children in this case. In Libra, as I said it has also given her

surgery for reproductive health/hysterectomy.

 

As for lagna, now I am getting scorpio at 15.53. Let us see if someone

else tries to plot the chart.

 

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

I think his lagna is Gemini.

 

In addition to natural karakas for children, wife and father being

afflicted as you have already mentioned, the lords of the 5th, 7th and

9th houses are afflicted if lagna is Gemini. Of course whatever the

lagna is except Moon all the other planets are afflicted. So it

doesn't make much of a difference, I think.

 

Constellation of Venus and of Moon are in exchange. They denote 2nd

house and 5th houses...may be this explains his wealth. But then 9th

and 11th lords are in the 12th...and this doesn't explain it. Right? I

don't know....

 

Second marriage has taken place in Ju/Ve/Ve...according to my assumed

time. This too is possible as Ju is 7 HL and Ve is natural marriage

karaka. Ju with Ra would have encouraged him to get involved in an

unconventional marriage...he married a girl half of his age, you have

mentioned. Then Jupiter is the only planet in a constellation of a

dual sign, Mercury, which would lead him to a second marriage..

 

5th house is not afflicted, but 7th and 9th houses are afflicted. May

be that is why he had many children as 5th house is not afflicted,

though 5th from Moon is afflicted.

 

Anyway none of these were the reason for my decision. Only based on

papakarthari yoga giving much tension to Gemini sign in this chart, as

the native has undergone a lot of trouble.

 

Neelam ji, I have minimal knowledge of principles of astrology,

gathered from here and there...so this may be completely misleading.

I'd rather had mentioned only the lagna...but since you have asked to

give reasons I reluctantly did so

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I am posting an interesting exercise to tickle your grey cells. One

member

> has sent me the details of a native who has Jup-Rahu conjunction. He

also

> has a Mars-Saturn conjunction.

> He was born on 29th February 1944 in Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania. I am

giving

> some details which I have about him.

>

> - He is a very successful nuclear scientist.

> - He is very wealthy,

> - He has 5 sons and 1 daughter

> - He survived an assassination attempt on him (3 shots in upper

chest)

> - He left his family home in October 2006

> - Recently on 7th November 2008 has remarried someone half his age

> - He has major problems with his sons

> - Personally he has undergone a lot of troubles to self and

family, death

> of father, wife and half a dozen close lifelong friends.

>

> *Can we fix his lagna with this info? If yes, what could be the lagna of

> this person?*

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

I thought of this further. I did not notice that he is also wealthy.

I would still keep Bharani nakshatra for him. We can try makara Lagna

for the native. In this case, there is a parivartana yoga between

lagna and 5th lord, venus-sat, this can give him abundant wealth,

strong career. Lagna Lord in 5th is not good for sons, atleast, even

death of sons is possible. he has many sons but this could be the

reason for unhappiness and bad relation with children.

 

Coming to career, if makara lagna then, the native , around BT 3.40

am will have kumbha lagna in D9. In rasi chart, he will have 10th

lord venus in lagna with ketu. This combination can give a nuclear

scientist.

 

With makara lagna, 7th house has afflictions. In Oct 2006,

Sat/sat/venus he left home- possible

 

Thank you for a great learning experience

 

Ram Singh

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Neelam Gupta,

Thank you for your reply. In the cases under discussion, both Saturn and Jupiter had moved into next rasi and and moved back on retro to Taurus and Cancer respectively.

May be one has to look into bhava chalit to know the positions of these two planets.

 

One point though about lagna, war time correction is applicable being 1944. I do not know whether Tansania also has this time modification,

 

regards,

Col.Chandran

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta07 Re: Guru-Rahu Rendezvous Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:12 AM

 

 

Dear Col Chandran,//when planet moves into a new rasi in normal motion and moves back inretrogade motion into previous rasi, for all practical purpose ofgiving effects, it should be considered to be in the new rasi.//I think this is not applicable for natal charts. It can only beconsidered in transits when it is known as fallen or heen planet andif malefic, it would be more malefic. For natal fixed position, Jupiter would be considered conjunct Rahuand will give its effects as in cancer only. Though the results of aretrograde planet have to be ascertained with caution whether in yogaor otherwise.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

I was also trying to find the birth time of this man and i was

checking his chart with westerns astrology tools and i agree to

Sreeramji about the possible lagna aquarius/cancer. It is true also

some other details would be helpful to find his lagna sign.

Warm regards,

 

Liana

 

I also trying to

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Namaste Ms. Neelam ji,

>

> Is there any data on the life events of this gentleman....

>

> - Was there any financial benefit to the native's father after his birth

> ??

>

> - Was there any change of residence after birth of the native.... 3-5

> yrs after his birth ?

>

> - Events on his education, career start / change of residence / date of

> marriage / children's birth data...

>

> Without event details, difficult to fix the lagna..... or it will be a

> wild guess. { Possible Lagna - Aquarius / Cancer}

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,The nuclear scientist is said to be born at 5.30 AM on 29th Feb 1944 in Tanzania the which gives him a lagna in the cusp of capricorn and aquarius. Ram Singh ji has given good logics to reach capricorn. Sreeram ji has hit aquarius, he might like to elaborate on this.

There are no walls in the skies and planetary energies are free to mingle in the zodiac. A lagna on the borderline, creates a difficult situation not only for the native to live with, but also for the astrologer to assess its true colours.

I would be more inclined to take capricorn lagna for this native. Some of the reasons are already explained by Ram Singh ji. RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Neelamji,

I am jumping in rather late, but in order to determine whether he has

Makara or Kumbha ascendant please answer the following question. How

is his relationship with his mother? Is the mother a domineering,

formidable person? Is the gentleman prone to depression, etc.?

Best,

 

--Radha

[Guest guest]

Dear Radha ji,Yes, the native had a very dominating mother.. and he loved her but was more attached to his father.. He idolised his father.. He also had past history of depression and Shani MD brought lots of pain, isolation and depression in his life.

And in Sa-Me, understandably from capricorn lagna, he has entered into a second marriage on 7 November 2007 at 21.30 hrs, London.Hope you'll get your clues from this info.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Neelamji,

 

In that case, I feel he must have an Aquarius ascendant.

 

--Radha

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Radha ji,

>

> Yes, the native had a very dominating mother.. and he loved her but

was more

> attached to his father.. He idolised his father..

> He also had past history of depression and Shani MD brought lots of

pain,

> isolation and depression in his life.

> And in Sa-Me, understandably from capricorn lagna, he has entered into a

> second marriage on 7 November 2007 at 21.30 hrs, London.

> Hope you'll get your clues from this info.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,As Guru debilitates and joins Rahu, waiting

to pour his venom on the weak Guru, we get to witness a live example of this phenomenon

in this statement all over the news.

 

 

 

Mumbai terror

guru captured in Pak raid-Pakistan- World-The Times ...

9

Dec 2008 ... Pakistan

on Monday closed down a prominent terror camp run by Lashkar-e-Taiba…

 

Terror 'guru' had high contacts-India-

The Times of India

14 Nov 2008 ...

The Sarvagyapeeth website refers to Pandey as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya

Swami Amritanand Dev Teerth of Sharda Sarwagya Peeth ....

Whereas Times of India takes pride in

coining the new phrase, 'Terror Guru', for

Dayanand Pandey, what bothers me is the gross misuse of such an august and

revered word. We as Indians have stopped showing any respect what-so-ever to

our own religion and culture. We can say anything quite shamelessly and take

pride in that.

What is beyond my understanding is how can

journalists use such a term, and that too before one is proved guilty. And if

some one like Panday is proved guilty is he a guru! Anyways the misuse of the

word is not justified. Are they being paid for going anti-Hindu as is now

apparent with such incidents? Why haven't they coined terms like Terror Maulavi or

Terror Father yet?

Coming back to astrology, the conjunction takes

place in India's 9H and we see an attempt to disgrace Gurus and religion. Whether

Rahu gets hold of a real guru and implicate him falsely or makes a goon parade

in garb of a Guru, both ways it is rahu inflicting Guru.

We discussed this earlier in this thread,

and here I quote again from one of my messages so that we can further watch unfolding of events with

reference to this dictum from Chandra Kala Nadi.

Guru Rahu yuthe Kaale

Rajamathya Janavadhi

Rajanya jana santhapobrhmanan mahadhhyam

 

When Jupiter and Rahu are conjunct there will be replacement of rulers and

ministers, distress in government, people and great fear to Brahmin community.

 

In India's chart, this conjunction is taking place in

9H, Jupiter being 8L and 11L.

9H as only 20 sarvashtak points, though the transit is in Shubh rashi for the

chart.

 

What do we see here? Communal clashes, religious outbursts, suppression

of righteousness, and fall in law and order?

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant Pandey ji,Thank you for sharing your views.I have considered Jupiter as weak because of its degrees and its shadbal strength. Additionally it in Mritavastha (as per baladi avastha) and in sushupti (as per jagradadi avastha).

It is good to observe events in the context of classical dictums so that we can apply them with more confidence.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Neelamji Namastey,

Guru - Rahu creates unholy alliances. The cause / effect jugalbandi is diificult to understand with our limited senses. You have read the shloka which probably denotes the effect. The cause may have happened before.

I think you have to look at situations which are fluid now but will manifest itself later on. Like

the next general elections may throw a surprising result. The 3rd front is sewing up deals unseen in the back ground.

Please look at Mayawati's horoscope.

What happened to the " Hindu " terror suspects may be the effect - cause established before.

The Guru - Ra combi will lead to unholy alliances and also the subjugation of Dharma.

I think lots of theories are floating around in media about exchanging Kashmir to buy peace,

who is responsible the heads which have rolled or the higher heads which are still there etc.

Even if you give them anything theu ask, they will still continue. Cause for them it is a modern day crusade.

I think that many religions are @ cross roads. Islam is going to what is really Jihad ? Is it to be fought with infidels within or outside ?

Hindus ??? take pride in not invading any neighbouring country in last 1000 years, in their pluralistic religion, many paths etc. This makes us, in a cheap sense, vulnerable to wastefull vivad. So there will be calls of Hindu khatrein mein hein !

In all this you will see the state's existence being threatened and this may lead to atrocities.

Hope you see different aspects of sloka in the above.

 

thanks & regards

 

Chiranjiv Mehta

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranji ji,Namastey//Guru - Rahu creates unholy alliances. The

cause/effect jugalbandi is difficult to understand with our limited senses.

You have read the shloka which probably denotes the effect. The cause may have

happened before.//

You are right. No one has ever understood the cause-effect

jugalbandi. It is a never ending symphony.

Astrology, which

is only seen as MANIFEST… cause is also an event/happening and effect is also

an event/happening. If event 1 is cause for event 2 which is its effect, then

event 2 may be the cause of another event 3 which becomes the effect and this

casuality has no beginning and no end.

We have a static planetary arrangement as

per our nativity and a dynamic arrangement which is governed by dashas and

transits. They keep becoming cause and effect for each other. At the subtle

level, ultimately it is the seeds of karma sown by us which are both cause and

effect of various events in our lives. So in this sense, the planets provide

just the ground on which the seeds keep sprouting. The ground itself has no say

in cause and effect.

We only see what is visible and the dictums

also talk in terms of 'results'. Whether we call them cause or effect, it is immaterial. It is said that Guru-Rahu in Capricorn produce certain result… it

is the effect of some previous happening… it will cause a future event… both

are true and will happen. The cycle goes on. We go on reading moment by moment…RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,Thank you again for sharing your views. The verse that you mention about Jupiter is given in Deva Keralam (1) pg 47, V 471. I quote it here for the benefit of other members.Atichargate Jeeve Shanau Vakratvabhagate

Hahakaar Jagatsarva Visheshaaddashindeshe " When Jupiter is in accelerated motion (combustion) and saturn is in retrograde motion simultaneously, the whole world will be wailing aloud in grief, particularly the southern region " (tr. CS Patel)

Last time this happened in 1989. At that time Jupiter was in taurus and shani in capricorn. India did not suffer at that time. In fact, it was China where thousands of students who revolted against government were brutally massacred. (expl given by CS Patel).

Surely we can see some worst indications now when Jupiter is in 8H with Rahu and Saturn in leo, already not in a good mood. All planets are still in 7-8 houses. Also we are into ketu's antar and a dasha chhidr. The scene has already started unfolding and we've been witness to some terrible happenings all over India. And what about February when all planets are stationed in 9H in aquarius?

Let us pray for peace and good for all.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

The disposition mentioned in the below mentioned mail, has to be checked in the Independent chart of India, to check our Homes.

The problem of contention from terrorists has already passed with all planets accumlating in Sagittarius, the 6th house of enemies, in the chart of India.

Now the February combination will move in the 10th house of the Chart of india, denoting affliction to the affairs of Commerce or Business - economy. Now will this denote an accelration of commercial activities or demotion ??? This is to be understood.

Jupiter + Rahu also denotes an artificial Mercury as per Lal Kitab, which again denotes Commercial activities.

Shri Nirmal Kumar Bharadwaj ji the expert on Lal Kitab, whom I respect much, will be able to guide us better regarding this.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Prashant ji,> > Thank you again for sharing your views.> > The verse that you mention about Jupiter is given in Deva Keralam (1) pg 47,> V 471. I quote it here for the benefit of other members.> Atichargate Jeeve Shanau Vakratvabhagate> Hahakaar Jagatsarva Visheshaaddashindeshe> "When Jupiter is in accelerated motion (combustion) and saturn is in> retrograde motion simultaneously, the whole world will be wailing aloud in> grief, particularly the southern region" (tr. CS Patel)> > Last time this happened in 1989. At that time Jupiter was in taurus and> shani in capricorn. India did not suffer at that time. In fact, it was China> where thousands of students who revolted against government were brutally> massacred. (expl given by CS Patel).> > Surely we can see some worst indications now when Jupiter is in 8H with Rahu> and Saturn in leo, already not in a good mood. All planets are still in 7-8> houses. Also we are into ketu's antar and a dasha chhidr. The scene has> already started unfolding and we've been witness to some terrible happenings> all over India. And what about February when all planets are stationed in 9H> in aquarius?> > Let us pray for peace and good for all.> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji & Neelamji,

What Asc are you considering for the chart of India ? I missed something, not getting all mails.

 

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: Guru-Rahu Rendezvous Date: Friday, 12 December, 2008, 11:53 PM

 

 

 

Dear all,

The disposition mentioned in the below mentioned mail, has to be checked in the Independent chart of India, to check our Homes.

The problem of contention from terrorists has already passed with all planets accumlating in Sagittarius, the 6th house of enemies, in the chart of India.

Now the February combination will move in the 10th house of the Chart of india, denoting affliction to the affairs of Commerce or Business - economy. Now will this denote an accelration of commercial activities or demotion ??? This is to be understood.

Jupiter + Rahu also denotes an artificial Mercury as per Lal Kitab, which again denotes Commercial activities.

Shri Nirmal Kumar Bharadwaj ji the expert on Lal Kitab, whom I respect much, will be able to guide us better regarding this.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Prashant ji,> > Thank you again for sharing your views.> > The verse that you mention about Jupiter is given in Deva Keralam (1) pg 47,> V 471. I quote it here for the benefit of other members.> Atichargate Jeeve Shanau Vakratvabhagate> Hahakaar Jagatsarva Visheshaaddashindes he> "When Jupiter is in accelerated motion (combustion) and saturn is in> retrograde motion simultaneously, the whole world will be wailing aloud in> grief, particularly the southern region" (tr. CS Patel)> > Last time this happened in 1989. At that time Jupiter was in taurus and> shani in capricorn. India did not suffer at that time. In fact, it was China> where thousands of students who revolted against government were brutally> massacred. (expl

given by CS Patel).> > Surely we can see some worst indications now when Jupiter is in 8H with Rahu> and Saturn in leo, already not in a good mood. All planets are still in 7-8> houses. Also we are into ketu's antar and a dasha chhidr. The scene has> already started unfolding and we've been witness to some terrible happenings> all over India. And what about February when all planets are stationed in 9H> in aquarius?> > Let us pray for peace and good for all..> > Regards> Neelam>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

I was thinking about the time when all planets are clustered in 9H

including Jupiter and Rahu. What will be the significance of this

planetary conjunction?

 

It is opposite the 3H in India's chart, which already has all the

planets in it. Saturn will be retrograde in 8H from this house which is

again a cause of worry. (again I am referring to DK dictum). Plus all

otehr points that we've discussed stand. As you say the conjunctions

have been moving from 6H to now 9H.

 

Do we see a role of judiciary coming to fore which might not live upto

our expectations... I mean not sentencing the culprits and public

generally dissatisfied with judiciary. Or is e religious organisation

getting the brunt which is more likely with rahu afflicting Jupiter? Do

we see atrocities on real gurus and more fake religious organisations

springing up. The way things are going, it could be a time when some

Gurus and genuine religious organisations could be disgraced.Would appreciate your comments on this.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

The amusing case of the Dy CM of Hariyana , absconding, changing his religion in order to marry a second time, to a glamorous (?) woman etc...... is a good effect of the Chandala Yoga. If their chart is available for study, it may throw some light on this Guru-Rahu rendevouz.

 

Chiranjiv Mehta

--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: Guru-Rahu Rendezvous Date: Friday, 12 December, 2008, 11:53 PM

 

 

 

Dear all,

The disposition mentioned in the below mentioned mail, has to be checked in the Independent chart of India, to check our Homes.

The problem of contention from terrorists has already passed with all planets accumlating in Sagittarius, the 6th house of enemies, in the chart of India.

Now the February combination will move in the 10th house of the Chart of india, denoting affliction to the affairs of Commerce or Business - economy. Now will this denote an accelration of commercial activities or demotion ??? This is to be understood.

Jupiter + Rahu also denotes an artificial Mercury as per Lal Kitab, which again denotes Commercial activities.

Shri Nirmal Kumar Bharadwaj ji the expert on Lal Kitab, whom I respect much, will be able to guide us better regarding this.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Prashant ji,> > Thank you again for sharing your views.> > The verse that you mention about Jupiter is given in Deva Keralam (1) pg 47,> V 471. I quote it here for the benefit of other members.> Atichargate Jeeve Shanau Vakratvabhagate> Hahakaar Jagatsarva Visheshaaddashindes he> "When Jupiter is in accelerated motion (combustion) and saturn is in> retrograde motion simultaneously, the whole world will be wailing aloud in> grief, particularly the southern region" (tr. CS Patel)> > Last time this happened in 1989. At that time Jupiter was in taurus and> shani in capricorn. India did not suffer at that time. In fact, it was China> where thousands of students who revolted against government were brutally> massacred. (expl

given by CS Patel).> > Surely we can see some worst indications now when Jupiter is in 8H with Rahu> and Saturn in leo, already not in a good mood. All planets are still in 7-8> houses. Also we are into ketu's antar and a dasha chhidr. The scene has> already started unfolding and we've been witness to some terrible happenings> all over India. And what about February when all planets are stationed in 9H> in aquarius?> > Let us pray for peace and good for all..> > Regards> Neelam>

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Dear Chiranjiv ji,

 

Dont know about his chart, but that women is glamourous indeed with her

looks, and a good game for the press , because of her oratorship and

repartee qualities.

 

This guy is like a chewing gum, ( dont know how she can chew him ), but

a person changing his religion for a woman, absconding for some time,

leaving his family, spoiling the seat of power,not remaining a good idol

which he should have been, in the eyes of the public, this fellow does

not need a waste of time. ( I do not necessarily call him wrong or evil,

because we do not know what treatment he must be receiving from his

wife, so we cannot pass judgements actually. His loving another woman

may or may not be right, only God knows, but change of religion and

other such actions are not right )

 

But he does have some gall to come and joke in front of the camera after

all this.

 

Maybe his chart is worth studying ???

 

Donno.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

> The amusing case of the Dy CM of Hariyana , absconding, changing his

religion in order to marry a second time, to a glamorous (?) woman

etc...... is a good effect of the Chandala Yoga. If their chart is

available for study, it may throw some light on this Guru-Rahu

rendevouz.

> Â

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

>

> --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Bhaskar rajiventerprises

> Re: Guru-Rahu Rendezvous

>

> Friday, 12 December, 2008, 11:53 PM

>

Dear all,

> The disposition mentioned in the below mentioned mail, has to be

checked in the Independent chart of India, to check our Homes.

> The problem of contention from terrorists has already passed with all

planets accumlating in Sagittarius, the 6th house of enemies, in the

chart of India.

> Now the February combination will move in the 10th house of the Chart

of india, denoting affliction to the affairs of Commerce or Business -

economy. Now will this denote an accelration of commercial activities or

demotion ??? This is to be understood.

> Jupiter + Rahu also denotes an artificial Mercury as per Lal Kitab,

which again denotes Commercial activities.

> Shri Nirmal Kumar Bharadwaj ji the expert on Lal Kitab, whom I respect

much, will be able to guide us better regarding this.

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

> Â

> Â

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > Thank you again for sharing your views.

> >

> > The verse that you mention about Jupiter is given in Deva Keralam

(1) pg 47,

> > V 471. I quote it here for the benefit of other members.

> > Atichargate Jeeve Shanau Vakratvabhagate

> > Hahakaar Jagatsarva Visheshaaddashindes he

> > " When Jupiter is in accelerated motion (combustion) and saturn is in

> > retrograde motion simultaneously, the whole world will be wailing

aloud in

> > grief, particularly the southern region " (tr. CS Patel)

> >

> > Last time this happened in 1989. At that time Jupiter was in taurus

and

> > shani in capricorn. India did not suffer at that time. In fact, it

was China

> > where thousands of students who revolted against government were

brutally

> > massacred. (expl given by CS Patel).

> >

> > Surely we can see some worst indications now when Jupiter is in 8H

with Rahu

> > and Saturn in leo, already not in a good mood. All planets are still

in 7-8

> > houses. Also we are into ketu's antar and a dasha chhidr. The scene

has

> > already started unfolding and we've been witness to some terrible

happenings

> > all over India. And what about February when all planets are

stationed in 9H

> > in aquarius?

> >

> > Let us pray for peace and good for all.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagavati ji,A retrograde, debilitated malefic behaving like an exalted planet is the view of, not only Kalidasa (Uttar Kalamrit), but many other scholars as well. It is seen to work, but one has to moderate the results with several other supporting indications.

In this chart, the first and foremost reason that clinches the whole issue in his favour is the unblemished lordship and placement of Saturn and its close sambandh (mahaparivartan) with dispositor Mars which forms a Kendra-kona sambandh in Kendra-kona. So we see a free flow of auspiciousness between 5H and 7H. They also become tatkalik friends. There is generally no blemish in this whole sambandh. Mars in a trine has become more of an auspicious and rajyogkarak planet. One can check with the results in mars and Saturn dashas and antars.

Then of course the yogas that are repeated in navamsh are always sure to give results as we see with the in this chart. Inter-planetary positions are very good in rashi and navamsh both.

Jupiter-sun sambandh is another great yoga for him connecting artha bhavas. Jupiter in pisces aspects both 2nd and 10H and sun in 2H in scorpio. This yoga repeats as a beautiful parivartan between sun and Jupiter with Jupiter taking leo navamsh.

But despite everything, and all material success, the native may not be happy or satisfied from within. There could be a nagging feeling of doing more and achieving more which does not let him enjoy the happiness. Venus and moon in fiery signs in kama trikon, both in ketu's indicate a constant drive to fulfill desires. Lagna rises with Rahu and aspected by Saturn, without benefic aspect on lagna/LL. Then moon also in shakat yoga and without benefic aspect indicating discontentment in life. From sun also Jupiter is in 8H, making him deeply religious, but at the same time not peaceful.

The other chart (11.11.39) has nothing in common with this chart.LL moon itself weak, being close to sun, in 8L saturn's nakshatra, its dispositor in 8H in saturn's rashi and Saturn himself a debilitated 7L/8L in 9H. It conjoins 3L/12L mercury and is aspected by a retrograde 6L from 9H. About 7H you've already said.

Rajyogas are fewer and much inferior and do not repeat in navamsh. The mars-saturn exchange is much inferior and promotes 8H affairs.Other vargas reveal the true story. e.g dashmansh in the previous chart has Jup and sun in sagitarius rising and venus-mer exalted in 4-10 axis.

These are some of the points in brief. A detailed analysis can bring out all the differences.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neelamji,

 

I am sorry for the error on my part. The other chart is dated

22.11.1939 and not 11.11.1939. All the planets are similarly placed as

the chart under discussion, except Lagna rising is cancer, venus in

scorpio and moon in pisces with jupiter. Thank you for the detailed and

nice explanation.

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

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Dear All,Continuing with my earlier post on mundane affairs and Jup-rahu conjunction....Would any one like to comment on the planetary placement on 15-16 February when mars, jupiter and rahu are in degree conjunction at 15 degrees? Mars strong and exalted and guru debilitated with Rahu.

Any thoughts on this planetary war in Capricorn. In India's chart, it happens in the 9H. Mars the 7L and 12L and Jupiter, the 8L and 11L. Both functional malefics... RegardsNeelam

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Talking of Chandal yog, I thought Chandal is a person who cheats and harms others. In the case of the dy Minister of Haryana, he seems to have lost his chair, job and reputation and has harmed himself only by becoming somewhat a fool/laughing stock.

 

Agree with Bhaskar ji that we cannot comment on his action (second marriage) not knowing how happy, satisfying, fulfilling and compatible his first marriage was.

 

To that point, atleast he seems to be sincere enough to hold the second woman's hand openly and officially even at a big cost to himself. It is very common amongst men (esp. men of money and power such as politicians and heroes) to have affairs/sleep around with sundry women secretly. None stand by those women but ditch and move on. Most famous is the case of Amitabh Bachchan who used and chewed poor Rekha for six long years inspite of being a married man and a father of 2 kids; yet once done, he spit her out and enjoyed family life to the hilt lifelong while Rekha became a modern real-life lonely Umrao. Even today this man and his wife (who did nothing against him and meekly stood by the man through thick and thin) play the role of doting parents to their son and (now) bahu while Rekha does not have anyone calling her ma.

Thanks,

Ramesh

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Dear Neelam and Other Respected,

 

I have been studying the eclipse cycle of Jan. and Feb. 2009 with

great interest, as there will be many planets lining up in Capricorn

in both charts. If I am correct in my calculations (*please correct me

if I am wrong), the date about which you are asking (and including

from Jan. 28-March 8 2009) will be the first time in hundreds of years

that Jupiter, Rahu and Mars are conjunct in Capricorn. The last time

these three were together in Capricorn was in 1747, the year that the

country of Afghanistan was officially united. In other world history,

it was also the year that the first venereal disease clinic was opened

in a London hospital. Other than that, it seems it was a " business as

usual " year, with a few small wars in Europe, and so forth.

 

On Feb. 5, 1962, at 5:39:53 AM, there was a Total Solar Eclipse

(Delhi, India) in Capricorn, with Jupiter, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Moon,

Saturn, Mars and Ketu in Capricorn. On Jan. 26, 2009, at 1:25:16 PM

(Delhi) there will be a solar eclipse with Jupiter, Mercury, Sun,

Moon, Mars and Rahu in Capricorn. A Lunar Eclipse will follow on Feb.

9, 2009 at 8:19:09 PM (Delhi, India) with Jupiter, Mercury, Sun, Mars

and Rahu in Capricorn.

 

As you see, these 1962 and 2009 eclipses have some similarities in the

Capricorn groupings. I have been contemplating whether or not these

eclipses of early 1962 may have set off events that led to the

Sino-Indian War that escalated later in 1962. The Jan.-Feb. 2009

Capricorn eclipses in the India chart (and as you mentioned the

Capricorn conjunction/war later in mid-Feb. 2009) are occurring in the

9th house of the India chart, which is a badhaka house that opposes a

large grouping of planets in Cancer, as you know.

 

What is really interesting to me is that the Feb. 1962 Solar Eclipse

took place exactly on the day that Cuba's dictator, Castro, presented

his Second Declaration of Havana, which set of events that led to the

Cuban Missile Crisis later that year, when the world came to the brink

of a total nuclear holocaust. Capricorn is in the 2nd house of the US

chart and occupied natally by Ketu (and Pluto for those who might

consider the outer planets). Interestingly, 1962 was a good year for

the US economy.

 

Re: the planetary war you were discussing between Mars and Jupiter in

mid-Feb., Kalidasa speaks of two types of graha yuddha-Paura and Yayi.

Paura includes Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn, and Yayi includes Mars and

Venus. He considers war between one Paura and one Yayi to be middling

in severity. Usually Mars loses planetary war, but in this case

because Mars will be exalted, I feel he will win.

 

Also, it has been said that a war between planetary friends like

Jupiter and Mars is not as harmful as between enemies, though being in

the nodal axis is considered very harmful. If the winner of a war

takes on the energy of the losing planet and totally overpowers it

with its own agenda, then this may not be so bad for exalted Mars to

overtake debilitated Jupiter esp. in the 9th house of the India chart

(being in the 9th house is a mitigating factor for graha yuddha). The

key may be to analyze the rashi and nakshatra dispositors. I am

eager to hear the thoughts and opinions of others.

 

Thank you for this discussion,

Juliana

Kamuela, Hawaii

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Hi Neelam and All...

 

Mars, Jupiter, and Rahu were briefly conjoined in Capricorn briefly in

1712, a year that saw several slave rebellions around the world. Re:

what I said before about Castro's Second Declaration of Havana on the

Feb. 1962 Capricorn eclipse, this was a speech in which Castro set

forth his revolutionary agenda. Given these events and also what we

know about Rahu(revolutions); Ketu (war and intrigue); Mars

(conflict); Jupiter (national and foreign affairs); and Capricorn

(governments and business), it appears that this conjunction of Mars

and Jupiter in the nodal axis may relate to themes of upheaval, revolt

and rebellion against the staus quo.

 

Best regards,

Juliana