Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2008 Dear Chandhchill ji,I fully understand, but I always try to see and bring out the positive side, be it a man or woman. Whatever I said was not against you or anyone else in particular, only said it as a matter of fact...that too in a lighter vein. If you come back to your original point, //If Venus is in the ascendant the native will be proficient in mathematics and long-lived. He will be loved by his wife, fond of ornaments, good dresses and beauty. He will be liked by women, will be wealthy and learned.// This is given for a male native. But think of it as a neutral dictum. As a matter of fact, I have venus in lagna and I am good in maths. Renu ji gave another example. You know one or two cases where women are not good in maths. If you see for men now, you'll get similar mixed results. But collecting a large number of cases, you might see venus in lagna giving mathematical ability without worrying whether it is a woman's brain or a man's brain. If the tenet says 'loved by his wife', the wife can be loved by the husband. It is a very simple derivation. I am personally against gender discrimination. We are all human beings, set apart by our respective roles in the society. We all have weaknesses and strengths and in this materialistic age anyone can misuse power....most of all women... newly empowered you know!! I don't agree with you on... //..I have seen many Houses/families where Woman is a head (Boss) instead of Husband or male, how they have ruined the entire family and how there was no progress at all...again with some exceptions here..// This is only a negligible percentage which is blown out-of-proportion. Although our social structure is undergoing rapid changes, the blame for any mishap generally lies with both the parties. Sometimes the families are ruined because the male ego cannot take a woman boss/wife boss. With shifting priorities, we have not yet settled to new optimum tolerance levels in the relationships. That is why the problems.... I can also tell you that in lower working classes in India, it is the women who are running the households and taking all responsibilities, and men are either not earning or squandering away their money on alcohol and gambling. Despite that they also resort to violence against women on slightest pretext. I have seen it happening in up to 80 percent of the families in slums and lower strata and I know because we are trying to find some sustainable solutions to such problems. But largely, most of us remain within social norms... right or wrong are only individuals, not men or women... anyone can go astray.I always advocate a sensible and just empowerment for an individual, where we form an equitable society.... where both men and women work in synergy with their inherent qualities.... and not try to make drastic shifts in the roles designed by nature. Only then there can be peace and harmony. RegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2008 actually it is general prediction. for accurate individual prediction correct bhavchalit kundali is/are required. actually if shastesh if placed in seventh house and aspected or conjuction with different stars will make differenteffects. let it be venus also. cuspkundali/bhavchalit kundali and mahadasha/antardasha chart requied as it will take time to workout with the help of date/time/place of birth. sudhir mahajan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2008 Dear Chakraborty ji, " My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she was weak in Maths. " That is better...I must admit blessings Renu " , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Renu-ji, > > Thanks for the compliment ('Brilliant male mathematician') - although > I don't know whether I really deserve that ! > > My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > was weak in Maths. > > I was just quoting her. Otherwise, like any husband, I would not dare > to put such a label on her. Neither I am disputing the Ve and Maths > connection, as discussed here. I am just saying that exceptions > may occur. > > With best regards, > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > renunw [renunw] > Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:28 PM > > Re: Venus > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > Thanks for the most sensible mail > > Let me quote from the couple of brilliant male mathematicians. > > " My wife has Ve in Lagna (although in Parivartana with 4H Moon). > > She is very weak in Maths. " > > Times have not changed....I doubt. Ah! the smart male dominated > society > > I know a lady with Venus in Lagna, a very good maths teacher who is > now in her 70's and still students come to her for tuition, pass > with distinction or 'A' Grades. Of course she charges a nominal > fee..the natural motherly feelings would not allow to exploit > children unfairly, especially when it comes to education. > > blessings > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " neelam gupta " > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > It is always a HE that gets a mention in most of the classics of > astrology. > > Basically it only reflects on the social structure in the era when > these > > classics were created. > > > > In ancient India, astrology, like any other knowledge, developed > in King's > > courts. So in many of the classics you'll find results suitable > only for the > > kings, like elephants, palaces, horses, many wives, winning or > losing a war, > > etc. The classic Nripcharya deals with only kings and that is why > many of > > the politicians and bigwigs, taking a cue from there, do not share > their > > charts. (it is said in this classic that a king's chart should not > be known > > to all, especially his enemies) > > > > In the male dominated society at that time, women were home- bound, > and > > served only as mothers, sisters, wives and daughters, etc. Their > lives were > > regulated by their men-folk. So probably there was no need to know > a > > female's future. It was supposed to be dependent on the man. Even > now, many > > husbands may never feel the need to know the future of their non- > working > > wives. > > > > At the same time, there are some classics like Strijataka devoted > to female > > horoscopy, but mostly describe the results with respect to her > relations and > > one can see the male-oriented approach of the classic, as if the > classic is > > an aid in a man's hands to find a good woman/wife. A woman is > treated more > > like an object. > > > > The feminists may not like what has been done, but we have to > accept history > > the way it was. If not in astrology, women do find a good place in > all > > religious texts and tantra... it may also mean that women were > revered and > > respected like devis... so one may find solace any which way. > > > > Having accepted that, we must realize that the first lesson of > astrology > > tells us to consider Desh-kaal-patra. This arises out of the > understanding > > that the principles given by our rishis are sound and have > withstood the > > tests of times and people. In patra, we need to consider > everything about > > the patra before making our judgments. It could be gender, age, > place of > > birth, place of upbringing, etc. We do not say that our rishis > have given > > dictums for Indians only and we should not apply them to an > American or an > > Arab Sheikh, even though they are poles apart and our astrology > gets > > thoroughly twisted. > > > > Coming to your questions, > > > > //I know lot of If's and But's are there in Astrology, and other > planetery > > combinations do affect/alter/modify/change etc. And one should not > come to > > conclusion. BUT Sage Brighu MUST had some observations and > PRACTICAL > > knowledge without which he wouldn't have mentioned like that.// > > > > I really don't know what sage Bhrigu had in his mind, but you've > answered > > your question yourself. > > > > //My estranged Wife has Ve in Lagna and she doesn't even know how > to count > > the Money that i gave to her:-):-( forget about Mathematics!!!:-) > > > > A bit hard to believe that somebody can't count money in this > age!! When a > > planet is said to be responsible for certain trait, the same trait > suffers > > also when it gets afflicted. There are so many yogas given in > classics, but > > all come with a fine print saying 'apply with caution'. > > > > Then how do we interpret Venus in Gemini Lagna and at the same > time 12H Lord > > as well. > > > > Again I would say, apply with caution and go by logics. Lordship > and > > placement strength are most important, and then the influences, > vargas, > > avastha, etc. > > > > Venus in Gemini is 5L and 12L, 5H being the mooltrikon house. > > LL mercury is a natural friend and both are natural benefics. We > should not > > forget this. > > Now if there is panchada maitri also, even better. > > Venus in lagna would mean a friend in lagna who is 5L ( a rajyog) > and the > > 12L. Venus is happy with 12th lordship. > > Rest will depend on the influences and other planetary placements > and dashas > > in operation. > > > > Hope this clarifies. > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2008 Dear Renu ji,Thank you Renu ji for sharing your views. It is a universal problem and crosses all social barriers. Any google search on domestic violence will reveal some hard-hitting facts, even in developed nations like US. I am not elaborating as this is an astrological forum. Household Census data shows ample evidence of this in many communities. With rising frustration levels, the domestic violence is rising, taking serious turns with women also retaliating to some extent.There is no easy solution to this problem as it is a closed-door issue and very few women really come out to discuss such matters unless driven up the wall. One intervention which has proved a little effective is gender sensitisation of the male kind. Some of them improve, but many revert back to the same behaviour sooner than expected. I agree some men may be oppressed by their women, but always the majority is of the reverse type. Anyways, lets get back to astrology....I think the group is getting up from its slumber...RegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 27, 2008 Dear Renu-ji, Let me bare some facts ... for discussion only. I was born & brought up in Assam. Contrary to many unfounded notions about Assam (Jungle / savage / uncivilized etc), people here do not distinguish much between Male and female. Parents do not differentiate between boys and girls. And DOWRY is not given / taken. So, when I see discussion about MCP / Women's lib and their tirade and also some 'traditional role' for woman prescribed by the other group, I just smile. It was also amusing to see I was put (in lighter vein) in some 'group'. Any person's role depends on social influence, surroundings and his / her education level and economic independence too. So putting every male / female in any 'group' is too much of generalisation - Like Ve in Lagna will ALWAYS give proficiency in Maths. Exceptions do occur. Unfortunately, the exceptions, as witnessed here, happened to two females. That does not mean, female are bad in Maths. . I never thought that anybody could arrive at that sort of conclusion. BTW, in the process, we have diverted from the topic - also the fact that exceptions may occur has been forgotten. Regards Chakraborty renunw [renunw] Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:06 PM Re: Venus Dear Chakraborty ji, " My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she was weak in Maths. " That is better...I must admit blessings Renu " ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Renu-ji, > > Thanks for the compliment ('Brilliant male mathematician') - although > I don't know whether I really deserve that ! > > My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > was weak in Maths. > > I was just quoting her. Otherwise, like any husband, I would not dare > to put such a label on her. Neither I am disputing the Ve and Maths > connection, as discussed here. I am just saying that exceptions > may occur. > > With best regards, > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > renunw [renunw] > Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:28 PM > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > Re: Venus > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > Thanks for the most sensible mail > > Let me quote from the couple of brilliant male mathematicians. > > " My wife has Ve in Lagna (although in Parivartana with 4H Moon). > > She is very weak in Maths. " > > Times have not changed....I doubt. Ah! the smart male dominated > society > > I know a lady with Venus in Lagna, a very good maths teacher who is > now in her 70's and still students come to her for tuition, pass > with distinction or 'A' Grades. Of course she charges a nominal > fee..the natural motherly feelings would not allow to exploit > children unfairly, especially when it comes to education. > > blessings > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " neelam gupta " > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > It is always a HE that gets a mention in most of the classics of > astrology. > > Basically it only reflects on the social structure in the era when > these > > classics were created. > > > > In ancient India, astrology, like any other knowledge, developed > in King's > > courts. So in many of the classics you'll find results suitable > only for the > > kings, like elephants, palaces, horses, many wives, winning or > losing a war, > > etc. The classic Nripcharya deals with only kings and that is why > many of > > the politicians and bigwigs, taking a cue from there, do not share > their > > charts. (it is said in this classic that a king's chart should not > be known > > to all, especially his enemies) > > > > In the male dominated society at that time, women were home- bound, > and > > served only as mothers, sisters, wives and daughters, etc. Their > lives were > > regulated by their men-folk. So probably there was no need to know > a > > female's future. It was supposed to be dependent on the man. Even > now, many > > husbands may never feel the need to know the future of their non- > working > > wives. > > > > At the same time, there are some classics like Strijataka devoted > to female > > horoscopy, but mostly describe the results with respect to her > relations and > > one can see the male-oriented approach of the classic, as if the > classic is > > an aid in a man's hands to find a good woman/wife. A woman is > treated more > > like an object. > > > > The feminists may not like what has been done, but we have to > accept history > > the way it was. If not in astrology, women do find a good place in > all > > religious texts and tantra... it may also mean that women were > revered and > > respected like devis... so one may find solace any which way. > > > > Having accepted that, we must realize that the first lesson of > astrology > > tells us to consider Desh-kaal-patra. This arises out of the > understanding > > that the principles given by our rishis are sound and have > withstood the > > tests of times and people. In patra, we need to consider > everything about > > the patra before making our judgments. It could be gender, age, > place of > > birth, place of upbringing, etc. We do not say that our rishis > have given > > dictums for Indians only and we should not apply them to an > American or an > > Arab Sheikh, even though they are poles apart and our astrology > gets > > thoroughly twisted. > > > > Coming to your questions, > > > > //I know lot of If's and But's are there in Astrology, and other > planetery > > combinations do affect/alter/modify/change etc. And one should not > come to > > conclusion. BUT Sage Brighu MUST had some observations and > PRACTICAL > > knowledge without which he wouldn't have mentioned like that.// > > > > I really don't know what sage Bhrigu had in his mind, but you've > answered > > your question yourself. > > > > //My estranged Wife has Ve in Lagna and she doesn't even know how > to count > > the Money that i gave to her:-):-( forget about Mathematics!!!:-) > > > > A bit hard to believe that somebody can't count money in this > age!! When a > > planet is said to be responsible for certain trait, the same trait > suffers > > also when it gets afflicted. There are so many yogas given in > classics, but > > all come with a fine print saying 'apply with caution'. > > > > Then how do we interpret Venus in Gemini Lagna and at the same > time 12H Lord > > as well. > > > > Again I would say, apply with caution and go by logics. Lordship > and > > placement strength are most important, and then the influences, > vargas, > > avastha, etc. > > > > Venus in Gemini is 5L and 12L, 5H being the mooltrikon house. > > LL mercury is a natural friend and both are natural benefics. We > should not > > forget this. > > Now if there is panchada maitri also, even better. > > Venus in lagna would mean a friend in lagna who is 5L ( a rajyog) > and the > > 12L. Venus is happy with 12th lordship. > > Rest will depend on the influences and other planetary placements > and dashas > > in operation. > > > > Hope this clarifies. > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 27, 2008 Dear Chakraborty ji, " Any person's role depends on social influence, surroundings and his / her education level and economic independence too. " I am happy to learn that you look at the world with a balanced mind. Such people are rare today. " Exceptions do occur. Unfortunately, the exceptions, as witnessed here, happened to two females. That does not mean, female are bad in Maths. . " Sure..exceptions do occur. Wish somebody posted a horoscope of a male with Venus in Lagna and weak in Maths.. Just a piece of advice...Never underestimate a woman blessings Renu , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > Let me bare some facts ... for discussion only. > > > I was born & brought up in Assam. Contrary to many unfounded notions > about Assam (Jungle / savage / uncivilized etc), people here do not > distinguish much between Male and female. Parents do not differentiate > between boys and girls. And DOWRY is not given / taken. > > > So, when I see discussion about MCP / Women's lib and their tirade > and also some 'traditional role' for woman prescribed by the other group, > I just smile. It was also amusing to see I was put (in lighter vein) in > some 'group'. > > > Any person's role depends on social influence, surroundings and > his / her education level and economic independence too. So putting > every male / female in any 'group' is too much of generalisation - > Like Ve in Lagna will ALWAYS give proficiency in Maths. > > > Exceptions do occur. Unfortunately, the exceptions, as witnessed > here, happened to two females. That does not mean, female are bad > in Maths. . I never thought that anybody could arrive at that sort of > conclusion. > > > BTW, in the process, we have diverted from the topic - also the fact > that exceptions may occur has been forgotten. > > > Regards > > Chakraborty > > > > > renunw [renunw] > Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:06 PM > > Re: Venus > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > " My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > was weak in Maths. " > > That is better...I must admit > > blessings > > Renu > > " > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Chakraborty, PL " > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > > Thanks for the compliment ('Brilliant male mathematician') - > although > > I don't know whether I really deserve that ! > > > > My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > > was weak in Maths. > > > > I was just quoting her. Otherwise, like any husband, I would not > dare > > to put such a label on her. Neither I am disputing the Ve and Maths > > connection, as discussed here. I am just saying that exceptions > > may occur. > > > > With best regards, > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw [renunw@] > > Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:28 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: Venus > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > Thanks for the most sensible mail > > > > Let me quote from the couple of brilliant male mathematicians. > > > > " My wife has Ve in Lagna (although in Parivartana with 4H Moon). > > > > She is very weak in Maths. " > > > > Times have not changed....I doubt. Ah! the smart male dominated > > society > > > > I know a lady with Venus in Lagna, a very good maths teacher who is > > now in her 70's and still students come to her for tuition, pass > > with distinction or 'A' Grades. Of course she charges a nominal > > fee..the natural motherly feelings would not allow to exploit > > children unfairly, especially when it comes to education. > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " neelam > gupta " > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji, > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > It is always a HE that gets a mention in most of the classics of > > astrology. > > > Basically it only reflects on the social structure in the era > when > > these > > > classics were created. > > > > > > In ancient India, astrology, like any other knowledge, developed > > in King's > > > courts. So in many of the classics you'll find results suitable > > only for the > > > kings, like elephants, palaces, horses, many wives, winning or > > losing a war, > > > etc. The classic Nripcharya deals with only kings and that is why > > many of > > > the politicians and bigwigs, taking a cue from there, do not > share > > their > > > charts. (it is said in this classic that a king's chart should > not > > be known > > > to all, especially his enemies) > > > > > > In the male dominated society at that time, women were home- > bound, > > and > > > served only as mothers, sisters, wives and daughters, etc. Their > > lives were > > > regulated by their men-folk. So probably there was no need to > know > > a > > > female's future. It was supposed to be dependent on the man. Even > > now, many > > > husbands may never feel the need to know the future of their non- > > working > > > wives. > > > > > > At the same time, there are some classics like Strijataka devoted > > to female > > > horoscopy, but mostly describe the results with respect to her > > relations and > > > one can see the male-oriented approach of the classic, as if the > > classic is > > > an aid in a man's hands to find a good woman/wife. A woman is > > treated more > > > like an object. > > > > > > The feminists may not like what has been done, but we have to > > accept history > > > the way it was. If not in astrology, women do find a good place > in > > all > > > religious texts and tantra... it may also mean that women were > > revered and > > > respected like devis... so one may find solace any which way. > > > > > > Having accepted that, we must realize that the first lesson of > > astrology > > > tells us to consider Desh-kaal-patra. This arises out of the > > understanding > > > that the principles given by our rishis are sound and have > > withstood the > > > tests of times and people. In patra, we need to consider > > everything about > > > the patra before making our judgments. It could be gender, age, > > place of > > > birth, place of upbringing, etc. We do not say that our rishis > > have given > > > dictums for Indians only and we should not apply them to an > > American or an > > > Arab Sheikh, even though they are poles apart and our astrology > > gets > > > thoroughly twisted. > > > > > > Coming to your questions, > > > > > > //I know lot of If's and But's are there in Astrology, and other > > planetery > > > combinations do affect/alter/modify/change etc. And one should > not > > come to > > > conclusion. BUT Sage Brighu MUST had some observations and > > PRACTICAL > > > knowledge without which he wouldn't have mentioned like that.// > > > > > > I really don't know what sage Bhrigu had in his mind, but you've > > answered > > > your question yourself. > > > > > > //My estranged Wife has Ve in Lagna and she doesn't even know how > > to count > > > the Money that i gave to her:-):-( forget about Mathematics!!!:-) > > > > > > A bit hard to believe that somebody can't count money in this > > age!! When a > > > planet is said to be responsible for certain trait, the same > trait > > suffers > > > also when it gets afflicted. There are so many yogas given in > > classics, but > > > all come with a fine print saying 'apply with caution'. > > > > > > Then how do we interpret Venus in Gemini Lagna and at the same > > time 12H Lord > > > as well. > > > > > > Again I would say, apply with caution and go by logics. Lordship > > and > > > placement strength are most important, and then the influences, > > vargas, > > > avastha, etc. > > > > > > Venus in Gemini is 5L and 12L, 5H being the mooltrikon house. > > > LL mercury is a natural friend and both are natural benefics. We > > should not > > > forget this. > > > Now if there is panchada maitri also, even better. > > > Venus in lagna would mean a friend in lagna who is 5L ( a rajyog) > > and the > > > 12L. Venus is happy with 12th lordship. > > > Rest will depend on the influences and other planetary placements > > and dashas > > > in operation. > > > > > > Hope this clarifies. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 27, 2008 Renu-ji, Please .. not again. ( " Just a piece of advice ---- ) Please don't start assuming again. And why do you want to differentiate between man and woman ? Too many assumptions has led the discussion astray few times. In any case, we don't know each other well enough to give /receive advices. bye Chakraborty renunw [renunw] Friday, June 27, 2008 5:11 PM Re: Venus Dear Chakraborty ji, " Any person's role depends on social influence, surroundings and his / her education level and economic independence too. " I am happy to learn that you look at the world with a balanced mind. Such people are rare today. " Exceptions do occur. Unfortunately, the exceptions, as witnessed here, happened to two females. That does not mean, female are bad in Maths. . " Sure..exceptions do occur. Wish somebody posted a horoscope of a male with Venus in Lagna and weak in Maths.. Just a piece of advice...Never underestimate a woman blessings Renu ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > Let me bare some facts ... for discussion only. > > > I was born & brought up in Assam. Contrary to many unfounded notions > about Assam (Jungle / savage / uncivilized etc), people here do not > distinguish much between Male and female. Parents do not differentiate > between boys and girls. And DOWRY is not given / taken. > > > So, when I see discussion about MCP / Women's lib and their tirade > and also some 'traditional role' for woman prescribed by the other group, > I just smile. It was also amusing to see I was put (in lighter vein) in > some 'group'. > > > Any person's role depends on social influence, surroundings and > his / her education level and economic independence too. So putting > every male / female in any 'group' is too much of generalisation - > Like Ve in Lagna will ALWAYS give proficiency in Maths. > > > Exceptions do occur. Unfortunately, the exceptions, as witnessed > here, happened to two females. That does not mean, female are bad > in Maths. . I never thought that anybody could arrive at that sort of > conclusion. > > > BTW, in the process, we have diverted from the topic - also the fact > that exceptions may occur has been forgotten. > > > Regards > > Chakraborty > > > > > renunw [renunw] > Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:06 PM > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > Re: Venus > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > " My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > was weak in Maths. " > > That is better...I must admit > > blessings > > Renu > > " > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Chakraborty, PL " > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > > Thanks for the compliment ('Brilliant male mathematician') - > although > > I don't know whether I really deserve that ! > > > > My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > > was weak in Maths. > > > > I was just quoting her. Otherwise, like any husband, I would not > dare > > to put such a label on her. Neither I am disputing the Ve and Maths > > connection, as discussed here. I am just saying that exceptions > > may occur. > > > > With best regards, > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw [renunw@] > > Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:28 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > Re: Venus > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > Thanks for the most sensible mail > > > > Let me quote from the couple of brilliant male mathematicians. > > > > " My wife has Ve in Lagna (although in Parivartana with 4H Moon). > > > > She is very weak in Maths. " > > > > Times have not changed....I doubt. Ah! the smart male dominated > > society > > > > I know a lady with Venus in Lagna, a very good maths teacher who is > > now in her 70's and still students come to her for tuition, pass > > with distinction or 'A' Grades. Of course she charges a nominal > > fee..the natural motherly feelings would not allow to exploit > > children unfairly, especially when it comes to education. > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 27, 2008 Dear Chakraborty ji, Take it lightly...and let's go back to astrology:) blessings, Renu , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Renu-ji, > > Please .. not again. > > ( " Just a piece of advice ---- ) > > Please don't start assuming again. And why do you want to differentiate > between man and woman ? > > Too many assumptions has led the discussion astray few times. In > any case, we don't know each other well enough to give /receive advices. > > bye > > Chakraborty > renunw [renunw] > Friday, June 27, 2008 5:11 PM > > Re: Venus > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > " Any person's role depends on social influence, surroundings and > his / her education level and economic independence too. " > > I am happy to learn that you look at the world with a balanced mind. > Such people are rare today. > > " Exceptions do occur. Unfortunately, the exceptions, as witnessed > here, happened to two females. That does not mean, female are bad > in Maths. . " > > Sure..exceptions do occur. Wish somebody posted a horoscope of a > male with Venus in Lagna and weak in Maths.. > > Just a piece of advice...Never underestimate a woman > > blessings > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology , " Chakraborty, PL " > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > > > > Let me bare some facts ... for discussion only. > > > > > > I was born & brought up in Assam. Contrary to many unfounded > notions > > about Assam (Jungle / savage / uncivilized etc), people here do not > > distinguish much between Male and female. Parents do not > differentiate > > between boys and girls. And DOWRY is not given / taken. > > > > > > So, when I see discussion about MCP / Women's lib and their tirade > > and also some 'traditional role' for woman prescribed by the other > group, > > I just smile. It was also amusing to see I was put (in lighter > vein) in > > some 'group'. > > > > > > Any person's role depends on social influence, surroundings and > > his / her education level and economic independence too. So putting > > every male / female in any 'group' is too much of generalisation - > > Like Ve in Lagna will ALWAYS give proficiency in Maths. > > > > > > Exceptions do occur. Unfortunately, the exceptions, as witnessed > > here, happened to two females. That does not mean, female are bad > > in Maths. . I never thought that anybody could arrive at that > sort of > > conclusion. > > > > > > BTW, in the process, we have diverted from the topic - also the > fact > > that exceptions may occur has been forgotten. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > renunw [renunw@] > > Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:06 PM > > ancient_indian_ <% 40> > astrology > > Re: Venus > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > " My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > > was weak in Maths. " > > > > That is better...I must admit > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > " > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " Chakraborty, PL " > > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the compliment ('Brilliant male mathematician') - > > although > > > I don't know whether I really deserve that ! > > > > > > My wife was good in studies - but, as per her own admission, she > > > was weak in Maths. > > > > > > I was just quoting her. Otherwise, like any husband, I would not > > dare > > > to put such a label on her. Neither I am disputing the Ve and > Maths > > > connection, as discussed here. I am just saying that exceptions > > > may occur. > > > > > > With best regards, > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw [renunw@] > > > Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:28 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the most sensible mail > > > > > > Let me quote from the couple of brilliant male mathematicians. > > > > > > " My wife has Ve in Lagna (although in Parivartana with 4H Moon). > > > > > > She is very weak in Maths. " > > > > > > Times have not changed....I doubt. Ah! the smart male dominated > > > society > > > > > > I know a lady with Venus in Lagna, a very good maths teacher who > is > > > now in her 70's and still students come to her for tuition, pass > > > with distinction or 'A' Grades. Of course she charges a nominal > > > fee..the natural motherly feelings would not allow to exploit > > > children unfairly, especially when it comes to education. > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Renu > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2008 Dear Renu-ji, Ok, Lets move on regards Chakraborty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
