Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

April 2, 2010

sir i,

There is a folk lore story in folk lore about the term you are long beeb

googling:

After teaching the shishyasÂ Guru finally wanted a valedictory function and

told shishyas " now you r taught all sastras and training is almost now

finished.In next 2 days I have some personal to attend and said please take care

of my house.Keep watching the house "

As soon as the teacherÂ left some ho the house " suddenly caught fire " "

Sishyagan apas mein baat karke socha ki Guru ji chahate hai " keep wtching " .They

were standing as the fire is razing and engulfing from all sides.Sishyas very

closely observing started following how fire started and the direction it went

and finally big flames etc.

Guru ji,after hectic work reached and saw his ablaze and his sishyagan

deeply " watching final flares " .In utter disgust Guru " Chandal sishya.jo bhi mein

aap log sikhya woh sab dhua mein udh gaya .Aap chandla sishya hai aur mere ko

abh mukta karke aap log nishkraman kijiye'

This is the chandal sishya and such things happene when Ketu comes into rahu

nakshtra and rahu into moola nakshtra aptly becomes chandal sishya.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

--- On Thu, 4/1/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

Raj <rajbhardwaj1949

Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

Thursday, April 1, 2010, 11:14 AM

Â

Dear all,

All my dears who have commented on the Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

like to request that I am still waiting for my query about such a Yoga

which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. The thread so far has

been very lively and en-lightening! There is fear that Mishras and Jhas

could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between Mishr and Jha

in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he is the top class Brahmin and

Jha says he is the Number One. It is other matter that Ojha is also

there somewhere in North India. At least I have a shield with me because

Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in all parts of the country.

I am in bit of hurry, as my Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. I

have one more feeling that in the end I may have to sing a duet, which

can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) or Guru-Shishya or

Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or more enlighted persons,

which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the world in the era of romanticism

after we won our freedom. Now there is no romanticism only crude xxx,

RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or Ku-roopas.

Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai tumko,

Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki hai.

1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat na sahee,

sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na sahee,

Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya kam hai,

Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa sahi

Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur bhi hai,

Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur bhi hai,

Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya main,

Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee hai,

Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai tumko,

Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in `Jagriti'

Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

Raj Bhardwaj

, " inder " <indervohra2001@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir jee,

> Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and deep thought of farman.

> But but..

> Tughlaki farmans were also well planned,and thought off, but went

topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor Tughlak.

> Inder

>

> , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inder;

> > Some reasoned reply may help me instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > I have come to learn here so it matters at least to me.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> >

> > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> >

> > Dear Kulbir,

> > I donot agree with you.

> > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > Inder

> >

> > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@

....>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has answered the query in best

pragmatic

> > way

> > > possible; I am just adding what Lalkitab says.

> > > House no 11. represents SABKI APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN earning.

In 11th

> > > house itself, is the seat of justice/judge. Saturn takes the

incurred

> > karma

> > > via Rahu and Ketu before Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

of judge

> > > but Saturn is the drishti to guide it).

> > > Here Saturn proposes the judgement but Jupiter passes it on

Saturn's

> > > recommendation and keeping presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

ko hazir

> > > mankar).

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

or

> > incorrect]

> > > > Saturn is illegal,[but may be correct],thinking.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

thinking

> > > > makes it so]

> > > >

> > > > Mars with Jupiter logic[logician] , without reading the law

books he

> > would

> > > > give arguments which may win him.

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> >

> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has answered the query in best

pragmatic way

> > possible; I am just adding what Lalkitab says.House no 11.

represents SABKI

> > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN earning. In 11th house itself, is the

seat of

> > justice/judge. Saturn takes the incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

before

> > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat of judge but Saturn is the

drishti

> > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes the judgement but Jupiter passes

it on

> > Saturn's recommendation and keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

(khuda

> > ko hazir mankar).

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir,

> >

> > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct or

> > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but may be correct],thinking. Jupiter +

Saturn

> > becomes philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it

so]Mars with

> > Jupiter logic[logician] , without reading the law books he would give

> > arguments which may win him.

> >

> > Inder

> >

April 2, 2010

Hmmm...

Ketu comes into Rahu, eh Krishnan jee? ;-)

Which are the VARGAS where Swarbhanu comes alive as ONE entity?

And there may be a follow-up question that relates to circles!

RR_,

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> sir i,

> There is a folk lore story in folk lore about the term you are long beeb

googling:

> After teaching the shishyasÂ Guru finally wanted a valedictory function and

told shishyas " now you r taught all sastras and training is almost now

finished.In next 2 days I have some personal to attend and said please take care

of my house.Keep watching the house "

> As soon as the teacherÂ left some ho the house " suddenly caught fire " "

> Sishyagan apas mein baat karke socha ki Guru ji chahate hai " keep

wtching " .They were standing as the fire is razing and engulfing from all

sides.Sishyas very closely observing started following how fire started and the

direction it went and finally big flames etc.

> Guru ji,after hectic work reached and saw his ablaze and his sishyagan

deeply " watching final flares " .In utter disgust Guru " Chandal sishya.jo bhi mein

aap log sikhya woh sab dhua mein udh gaya .Aap chandla sishya hai aur mere ko

abh mukta karke aap log nishkraman kijiye'

> This is the chandal sishya and such things happene when Ketu comes into rahu

nakshtra and rahu into moola nakshtra aptly becomes chandal sishya.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>

> --- On Thu, 4/1/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> Raj <rajbhardwaj1949

> Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

>

> Thursday, April 1, 2010, 11:14 AM

>

Â

>

Dear all,

>

> All my dears who have commented on the Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

>

> like to request that I am still waiting for my query about such a Yoga

>

> which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. The thread so far has

>

> been very lively and en-lightening! There is fear that Mishras and Jhas

>

> could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

>

> Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between Mishr and Jha

>

> in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he is the top class Brahmin and

>

> Jha says he is the Number One. It is other matter that Ojha is also

>

> there somewhere in North India. At least I have a shield with me because

>

> Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in all parts of the country.

>

> I am in bit of hurry, as my Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. I

>

> have one more feeling that in the end I may have to sing a duet, which

>

> can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) or Guru-Shishya or

>

> Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or more enlighted persons,

>

> which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the world in the era of romanticism

>

> after we won our freedom. Now there is no romanticism only crude xxx,

>

> RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or Ku-roopas.

>

> Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai tumko,

>

> Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki hai.

>

> 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat na sahee,

>

> sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na sahee,

>

> Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya kam hai,

>

> Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa sahi

>

> Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

>

> 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur bhi hai,

>

> Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur bhi hai,

>

> Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya main,

>

> Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee hai,

>

> Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai tumko,

>

> Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

>

> AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in `Jagriti'

>

> Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

>

> Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

>

> Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

>

> Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

>

> Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> , " inder " <indervohra2001@ ...>

>

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Kulbir jee,

>

> > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and deep thought of farman.

>

> > But but..

>

> > Tughlaki farmans were also well planned,and thought off, but went

>

> topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor Tughlak.

>

> > Inder

>

> >

>

> > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

>

> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Inder;

>

> > > Some reasoned reply may help me instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

>

> > > I have come to learn here so it matters at least to me.

>

> > > Regards

>

> > > Kulbir Bains

>

> > >

>

> > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

>

> > >

>

> > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Kulbir,

>

> > > I donot agree with you.

>

> > > Anyway does'nt matter.

>

> > > Inder

>

> > >

>

> > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@

>

> ...>

>

> > > wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has answered the query in best

>

> pragmatic

>

> > > way

>

> > > > possible; I am just adding what Lalkitab says.

>

> > > > House no 11. represents SABKI APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN earning.

>

> In 11th

>

> > > > house itself, is the seat of justice/judge. Saturn takes the

>

> incurred

>

> > > karma

>

> > > > via Rahu and Ketu before Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

>

> of judge

>

> > > > but Saturn is the drishti to guide it).

>

> > > > Here Saturn proposes the judgement but Jupiter passes it on

>

> Saturn's

>

> > > > recommendation and keeping presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

>

> ko hazir

>

> > > > mankar).

>

> > > > Regards

>

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

>

> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear Kulbir,

>

> > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

>

> or

>

> > > incorrect]

>

> > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but may be correct],thinking.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

>

> thinking

>

> > > > > makes it so]

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Mars with Jupiter logic[logician] , without reading the law

>

> books he

>

> > > would

>

> > > > > give arguments which may win him.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Inder

>

> > >

>

> > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has answered the query in best

>

> pragmatic way

>

> > > possible; I am just adding what Lalkitab says.House no 11.

>

> represents SABKI

>

> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN earning. In 11th house itself, is the

>

> seat of

>

> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

>

> before

>

> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat of judge but Saturn is the

>

> drishti

>

> > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes the judgement but Jupiter passes

>

> it on

>

> > > Saturn's recommendation and keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

>

> (khuda

>

> > > ko hazir mankar).

>

> > >

>

> > > Regards

>

> > >

>

> > > Kulbir Bains.

>

> > >

>

> > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Kulbir,

>

> > >

>

> > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct or

>

> > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but may be correct],thinking. Jupiter +

>

> Saturn

>

> > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it

>

> so]Mars with

>

> > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without reading the law books he would give

>

> > > arguments which may win him.

>

> > >

>

> > > Inder

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

April 2, 2010

SiRR ji,

Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only amongst all nine.

Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a football and

waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak Jupiter that has been

influenced malefically by Mercury.

Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but disturbs all other

planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote:

>

> Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, perhaps you meant:

> " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

>

> Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious reasons! And ketu too!

>

> RR_,

>

> <%40>,

> " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raj,

> >

> > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> Mercury-weak fellow.

> >

> > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but Mercury gets more vibrant,

> manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> >

> > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> >

> > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and Tughlaks are destroyed.

> >

> > Mordern days elections are all about effects.Election are won and lost by

> ripples and effects.

> >

> > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our Mecurian bhais journalists

> magnfy their expainations to make you understand the things which are not

> there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> >

> > Inder

>

> >

> > <%40>,

> " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > All my dears who have commented on the Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > like to request that I am still waiting for my query about such a Yoga

> > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. The thread so far has

> > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he is the top class Brahmin

> and

> > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other matter that Ojha is also

> > > there somewhere in North India. At least I have a shield with me

> because

> > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in all parts of the country.

> > >

> > > I am in bit of hurry, as my Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> I

> > > have one more feeling that in the end I may have to sing a duet, which

> > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) or Guru-Shishya or

> > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or more enlighted persons,

> > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the world in the era of

> romanticism

> > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or Ku-roopas.

> > >

> > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai tumko,

> > >

> > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki hai.

> > >

> > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat na sahee,

> > >

> > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na sahee,

> > >

> > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya kam hai,

> > >

> > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa sahi

> > >

> > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai tumko, meri baat aur hai….

> > >

> > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur bhi hai,

> > >

> > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur bhi hai,

> > >

> > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya main,

> > >

> > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee hai,

> > >

> > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai tumko,

> > >

> > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki hai………..!

> > >

> > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in `Jagriti'

> > >

> > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > >

> > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > >

> > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > >

> > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > >

> > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , iss desh ko rakhna….

> > >

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40>,

> " inder " <indervohra2001@>

>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and deep thought of farman.

> > > > But but..

> > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well planned,and thought off, but went

> > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor Tughlak.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40>,

> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > I have come to learn here so it matters at least to me.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > , Kulbir Bains

> <lalkitabkb@

> > > ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has answered the query in best

> > > pragmatic

> > > > > way

> > > > > > possible; I am just adding what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> earning.

> > > In 11th

> > > > > > house itself, is the seat of justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > incurred

> > > > > karma

> > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > of judge

> > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to guide it).

> > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > Saturn's

> > > > > > recommendation and keeping presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > ko hazir

> > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > or

> > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > thinking

> > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > books he

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > give arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has answered the query in best

> > > pragmatic way

> > > > > possible; I am just adding what Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > represents SABKI

> > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > seat of

> > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > before

> > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > drishti

> > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > it on

> > > > > Saturn's recommendation and keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > (khuda

> > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > Saturn

> > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > so]Mars with

> > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without reading the law books he would

> give

> > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

April 2, 2010

Sir Ji

A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji kaThis

is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young

planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

--- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

> Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

>

> Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> SiRR ji,

> Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> amongst all nine.

> Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> football and

> waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> Jupiter that has been

> influenced malefically by Mercury.

> Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> disturbs all other

> planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal

<jyotish_vaniwrote:

>

> >

> > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> perhaps you meant:

> > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> >

> > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> reasons! And ketu too!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Raj,

> > >

> > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > >

> > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > >

> > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > >

> > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > >

> > > Mordern days elections are all about

> effects.Election are won and lost by

> > ripples and effects.

> > >

> > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> Mecurian bhais journalists

> > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> things which are not

> > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > >

> > > Inder

> >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> my query about such a Yoga

> > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> The thread so far has

> > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> is the top class Brahmin

> > and

> > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> matter that Ojha is also

> > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> have a shield with me

> > because

> > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> all parts of the country.

> > > >

> > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > I

> > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> have to sing a duet, which

> > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> more enlighted persons,

> > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> world in the era of

> > romanticism

> > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> Ku-roopas.

> > > >

> > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> tumko,

> > > >

> > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> hai.

> > > >

> > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> na sahee,

> > > >

> > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> sahee,

> > > >

> > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> kam hai,

> > > >

> > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> sahi

> > > >

> > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> bhi hai,

> > > >

> > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> bhi hai,

> > > >

> > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> main,

> > > >

> > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> hai,

> > > >

> > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> tumko,

> > > >

> > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > >

> > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> `Jagriti'

> > > >

> > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > >

> > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > >

> > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > >

> > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > >

> > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > >

> > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> deep thought of farman.

> > > > > But but..

> > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> Tughlak.

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> matters at least to me.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> INTERNET

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @

> . com, Kulbir Bains

> > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> ji has answered the query in best

> > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > earning.

> > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > incurred

> > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > of judge

> > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> guide it).

> > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > or

> > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > books he

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> win him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> answered the query in best

> > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > seat of

> > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > before

> > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > drishti

> > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > it on

> > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > (khuda

> > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> reading the law books he would

> > give

> > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >Â

> >

>

April 3, 2010

Dear Kulbir jee,

Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with

reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of

planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

Inder

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir Ji

> A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji

kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young

planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>

> --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

> > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> >

> > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > SiRR ji,

> > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > amongst all nine.

> > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > football and

> > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > Jupiter that has been

> > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > disturbs all other

> > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > perhaps you meant:

> > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > >

> > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > reasons! And ketu too!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40>,

> > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raj,

> > > >

> > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > >

> > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > >

> > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > ripples and effects.

> > > >

> > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > things which are not

> > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >

> > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > The thread so far has

> > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > is the top class Brahmin

> > > and

> > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > have a shield with me

> > > because

> > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > all parts of the country.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > I

> > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > world in the era of

> > > romanticism

> > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > Ku-roopas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > tumko,

> > > > >

> > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > na sahee,

> > > > >

> > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > sahee,

> > > > >

> > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > kam hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > sahi

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > bhi hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > bhi hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > main,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > tumko,

> > > > >

> > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > > >

> > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > `Jagriti'

> > > > >

> > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > >

> > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > >

> > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > Tughlak.

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > INTERNET

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @

> > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > earning.

> > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > incurred

> > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > of judge

> > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > guide it).

> > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > books he

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > win him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > answered the query in best

> > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > seat of

> > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > before

> > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > drishti

> > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > it on

> > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > reading the law books he would

> > > give

> > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have been removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >Â

> > >

> >

April 3, 2010

Dearinder ji,

O.K. lets o according to your arguement.//Actualy all the Shaktimaans should

have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any chart] . Reverse is

not truth.//

Which emerges stromger Sun or Rahu.

What happens When Rahu combines with Sun or When Rahu is in 1st house or 5th

house.?

Â Regards

Kulbir Bains

________________________________

inder <indervohra2001

Sat, 3 April, 2010 10:54:35 AM

Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

Â

Dear Kulbir jee,

Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with

reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of

planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

Inder

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Sir Ji

> A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji

kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young

planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃ‚Â

>

> --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

>

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ ...>

> > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> >

> > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > SiRR ji,

> > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > amongst all nine.

> > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > football and

> > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > Jupiter that has been

> > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > disturbs all other

> > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > perhaps you meant:

> > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > >

> > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > reasons! And ketu too!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > <% 40.

com>,

> > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raj,

> > > >

> > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > >

> > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > >

> > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > ripples and effects.

> > > >

> > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > things which are not

> > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> > >

> > > >

> > > > <%

40. com>,

> > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >

> > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > The thread so far has

> > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > is the top class Brahmin

> > > and

> > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > have a shield with me

> > > because

> > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > all parts of the country.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > Shani-Shukra- Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > I

> > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > world in the era of

> > > romanticism

> > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > Ku-roopas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > tumko,

> > > > >

> > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > hai.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > na sahee,

> > > > >

> > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > sahee,

> > > > >

> > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > kam hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > sahi

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > tumko, meri baat aur haiÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > bhi hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > bhi hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > main,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > hai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > tumko,

> > > > >

> > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > haiÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦..!

> > > > >

> > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > `Jagriti'

> > > > >

> > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > >

> > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > >

> > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > iss desh ko rakhnaÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

40. com>,

> > > " inder " <indervohra2001@ >

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > Tughlak.

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%

40. com>,

> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > INTERNET

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @

> > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > earning.

> > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > incurred

> > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > of judge

> > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > guide it).

> > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > books he

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > win him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > answered the query in best

> > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > seat of

> > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > before

> > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > drishti

> > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > it on

> > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > pro-cons,judgement. [correct or

> > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > may be correct],thinking. Jupiter +

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > becomes philospher.[ nothing good

> > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician] , without

> > reading the law books he would

> > > give

> > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have been removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >Ã‚Â

> > >

> >

April 3, 2010

Dear Inder Ji,

O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any

chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and

Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various

planets as follows

Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9

strength respectively.

Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan.

and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat

on forehead of controllers of this super power.

FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir jee,

>

> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

>

> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with

> reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

>

> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of

> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

>

> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

>

> Inder

>

> <%40>,

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

> >

> > Sir Ji

> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji

> kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young

> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> >

> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

> >

> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

>

> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > <%40>

> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > SiRR ji,

> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > amongst all nine.

> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > > football and

> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > Jupiter that has been

> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > disturbs all other

> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> ...>wrote:

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > >

> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>,

> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > >

> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > >

> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > >

> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > things which are not

> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>,

> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > The thread so far has

> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > and

> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > have a shield with me

> > > > because

> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > all parts of the country.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > I

> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > world in the era of

> > > > romanticism

> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > tumko,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > hai.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > na sahee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > sahee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > kam hai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > sahi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > bhi hai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > bhi hai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > main,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > hai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > tumko,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > `Jagriti'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>,

> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > Tughlak.

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>,

> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > INTERNET

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @

> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > earning.

> > > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > incurred

> > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > > of judge

> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > guide it).

> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > > books he

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > win him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > answered the query in best

> > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > > seat of

> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > > drishti

> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > > it on

> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > reading the law books he would

> > > > give

> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > have been removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >Â

> > > >

> > >

April 3, 2010

Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

regards

Kulbir Bains.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

> Dear Inder Ji,

> O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any

> chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun

> and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of

> various planets as follows

> Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

> Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun and moon

> having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan.

> and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings

> sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

>>

>> Dear Kulbir jee,

>>

>> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

>>

>> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

>> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

>>

>> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of

>> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

>>

>> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

>> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

>>

>> Inder

>>

>> <%40>,

>> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>> >

>> > Sir Ji

>> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan

>> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young

>> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

>> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

>> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

>> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>> >

>> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>> >

>> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

>>

>> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

>> > > <%40>

>> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

>> > > SiRR ji,

>> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

>> > > amongst all nine.

>> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

>> > > football and

>> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

>> > > Jupiter that has been

>> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

>> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

>> > > disturbs all other

>> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

>> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

>> > > Regards

>> > > Kulbir Bains.

>> > >

>> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

>> ...>wrote:

>>

>> > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

>> > > perhaps you meant:

>> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

>> > > >

>> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

>> > > reasons! And ketu too!

>> > > >

>> > > > RR_,

>> > > >

>> > > > --- In

<%40>

>> <%40>,

>> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Dear Raj,

>> > > > >

>> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

>> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

>> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

>> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

>> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

>> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

>> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

>> > > > ripples and effects.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

>> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

>> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

>> > > things which are not

>> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Inder

>> > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > --- In

<%40>

>> <%40>,

>> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Dear all,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

>> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

>> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

>> > > my query about such a Yoga

>> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

>> > > The thread so far has

>> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

>> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

>> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

>> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

>> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

>> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

>> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

>> > > is the top class Brahmin

>> > > > and

>> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

>> > > matter that Ojha is also

>> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

>> > > have a shield with me

>> > > > because

>> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

>> > > all parts of the country.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

>> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

>> > > > I

>> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

>> > > have to sing a duet, which

>> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

>> > > or Guru-Shishya or

>> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

>> > > more enlighted persons,

>> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

>> > > world in the era of

>> > > > romanticism

>> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

>> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

>> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

>> > > Ku-roopas.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

>> > > tumko,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

>> > > hai.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

>> > > na sahee,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

>> > > sahee,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

>> > > kam hai,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

>> > > sahi

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

>> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

>>

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

>> > > bhi hai,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

>> > > bhi hai,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

>> > > main,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

>> > > hai,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

>> > > tumko,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

>> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

>>

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

>> > > `Jagriti'

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

>> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

>>

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

>> <%40>,

>> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

>> > > >

>> > > > > > wrote:

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

>> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

>> > > deep thought of farman.

>> > > > > > > But but..

>> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

>> > > planned,and thought off, but went

>> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

>> > > Tughlak.

>> > > > > > > Inder

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

>> <%40>,

>> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

>> > > >

>> > > > > > wrote:

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

>> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

>> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

>> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

>> > > matters at least to me.

>> > > > > > > > Regards

>> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

>> > > INTERNET

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

>> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

>> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

>> > > > > > > > Inder

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > @

>> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

>> > > > <lalkitabkb@

>> > > > > > ...>

>> > > > > > > > wrote:

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

>> > > ji has answered the query in best

>> > > > > > pragmatic

>> > > > > > > > way

>> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

>> > > what Lalkitab says.

>> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

>> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

>> > > > earning.

>> > > > > > In 11th

>> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

>> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

>> > > > > > incurred

>> > > > > > > > karma

>> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

>> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

>> > > > > > of judge

>> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

>> > > guide it).

>> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

>> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

>> > > > > > Saturn's

>> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

>> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

>> > > > > > ko hazir

>> > > > > > > > > mankar).

>> > > > > > > > > Regards

>> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

>> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

>> > > > > > wrote:

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

>> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

>> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

>> > > > > > or

>> > > > > > > > incorrect]

>> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

>> > > may be correct],thinking.

>> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

>> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

>> > > > > > thinking

>> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

>> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

>> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

>> > > > > > books he

>> > > > > > > > would

>> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

>> > > win him.

>> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Inder

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

>> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

>> > > answered the query in best

>> > > > > > pragmatic way

>> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

>> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

>> > > > > > represents SABKI

>> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

>> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

>> > > > > > seat of

>> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

>> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

>> > > > > > before

>> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

>> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

>> > > > > > drishti

>> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

>> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

>> > > > > > it on

>> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

>> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

>> > > > > > (khuda

>> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Regards

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

>> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

>> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

>> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

>> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

>> > > > > > Saturn

>> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

>> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

>> > > > > > so]Mars with

>> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

>> > > reading the law books he would

>> > > > give

>> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Inder

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

>> > > have been removed]

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> > > removed]

>> > > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >Â

>> > > >

>> > >

April 3, 2010

My dear Kulbir,

Yes Bhai, 'Fear is the Key' and 'Day of Jackal'. Raj Bhardwaj

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

> The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

> regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> > Dear Inder Ji,

> > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any

> > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun

> > and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of

> > various planets as follows

> > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

> > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun and moon

> > having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan.

> > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings

> > sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Dear Kulbir jee,

> >>

> >> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

> >>

> >> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

> >> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

> >>

> >> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of

> >> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> >>

> >> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

> >> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> >>

> >> Inder

> >>

> >> --- In

<%40>,

> >> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Sir Ji

> >> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan

> >> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an

young

> >> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> >> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> >> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> >> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> >> >

> >> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> >>

> >> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> >> > > To:

<%40>

> >> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> >> > > SiRR ji,

> >> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> >> > > amongst all nine.

> >> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> >> > > football and

> >> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> >> > > Jupiter that has been

> >> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> >> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> >> > > disturbs all other

> >> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> >> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> >> > > Regards

> >> > > Kulbir Bains.

> >> > >

> >> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> >> ...>wrote:

> >>

> >> > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> >> > > perhaps you meant:

> >> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> >> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > RR_,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --- In

<%40>

> >> <%40>,

> >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Dear Raj,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> >> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> >> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> >> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> >> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> >> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> >> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> >> > > > ripples and effects.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> >> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> >> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> >> > > things which are not

> >> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Inder

> >> > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > --- In

<%40>

> >> <%40>,

> >> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Dear all,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> >> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> >> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> >> > > my query about such a Yoga

> >> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> >> > > The thread so far has

> >> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> >> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> >> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> >> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> >> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> >> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> >> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> >> > > is the top class Brahmin

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> >> > > matter that Ojha is also

> >> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> >> > > have a shield with me

> >> > > > because

> >> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> >> > > all parts of the country.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> >> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> >> > > > I

> >> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> >> > > have to sing a duet, which

> >> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> >> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> >> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> >> > > more enlighted persons,

> >> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> >> > > world in the era of

> >> > > > romanticism

> >> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> >> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> >> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> >> > > Ku-roopas.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> >> > > tumko,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> >> > > hai.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> >> > > na sahee,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> >> > > sahee,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> >> > > kam hai,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> >> > > sahi

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> >> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> >>

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> >> > > bhi hai,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> >> > > bhi hai,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> >> > > main,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> >> > > hai,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> >> > > tumko,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> >> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> >>

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> >> > > `Jagriti'

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> >> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> >>

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> >> <%40>,

> >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> >> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> >> > > deep thought of farman.

> >> > > > > > > But but..

> >> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> >> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> >> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> >> > > Tughlak.

> >> > > > > > > Inder

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> >> <%40>,

> >> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> >> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> >> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> >> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> >> > > matters at least to me.

> >> > > > > > > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> >> > > INTERNET

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> >> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> >> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> >> > > > > > > > Inder

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > @

> >> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> >> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> >> > > > > > ...>

> >> > > > > > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> >> > > ji has answered the query in best

> >> > > > > > pragmatic

> >> > > > > > > > way

> >> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> >> > > what Lalkitab says.

> >> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> >> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> >> > > > earning.

> >> > > > > > In 11th

> >> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> >> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> >> > > > > > incurred

> >> > > > > > > > karma

> >> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> >> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> >> > > > > > of judge

> >> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> >> > > guide it).

> >> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> >> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> >> > > > > > Saturn's

> >> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> >> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> >> > > > > > ko hazir

> >> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> >> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> >> > > > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> >> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> >> > > > > > or

> >> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> >> > > may be correct],thinking.

> >> > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> >> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> >> > > > > > thinking

> >> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> >> > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> >> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> >> > > > > > books he

> >> > > > > > > > would

> >> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> >> > > win him.

> >> > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> >> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> >> > > answered the query in best

> >> > > > > > pragmatic way

> >> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> >> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> >> > > > > > represents SABKI

> >> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> >> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> >> > > > > > seat of

> >> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> >> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> >> > > > > > before

> >> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> >> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> >> > > > > > drishti

> >> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> >> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> >> > > > > > it on

> >> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> >> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> >> > > > > > (khuda

> >> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> >> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> >> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> >> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> >> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> >> > > > > > Saturn

> >> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> >> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> >> > > > > > so]Mars with

> >> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> >> > > reading the law books he would

> >> > > > give

> >> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Inder

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> >> > > have been removed]

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> >> > > removed]

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >Â

> >> > > >

> >> > >

April 3, 2010

Sir Raj Bharadwaj Ji,

AND The Jackal fails to take into account the Gallic custom of KISSING ON

BOTH CHEEKS.

Every coin has two sides.

REGARDS

Kulbir Bains.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> My dear Kulbir,

> Yes Bhai, 'Fear is the Key' and 'Day of Jackal'. Raj Bhardwaj

>

> <%40>,

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

> >

> > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

> > The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

> > regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference

> to any

> > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when

> Sun

> > > and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of

> > > various planets as follows

> > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury

> =4/9,

> > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun and moon

> > > having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by

> Pakistan.

> > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings

> > > sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

> > >

> > >>

> > >> Dear Kulbir jee,

> > >>

> > >> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all

> Shaktiman.

> > >>

> > >> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

> > >> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

> > >>

> > >> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with

> combination of

> > >> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > >>

> > >> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is

> very

> > >> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > >>

> > >> Inder

> > >>

> > >> --- In

<%40>

> <%40>,

>

> > >> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Sir Ji

> > >> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of

> buddhimaan

> > >> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an

> young

> > >> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > >> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > >> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> > >> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > >> >

> > >> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > >>

> > >> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > >> > > To:

<%40>

> <%40>

>

> > >> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > >> > > SiRR ji,

> > >> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > >> > > amongst all nine.

> > >> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > >> > > football and

> > >> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > >> > > Jupiter that has been

> > >> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > >> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > >> > > disturbs all other

> > >> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > >> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > >> > > Regards

> > >> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> > >> ...>wrote:

> > >>

> > >> > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > >> > > perhaps you meant:

> > >> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > >> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > RR_,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Dear Raj,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > >> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > >> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > >> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > >> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > >> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > >> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > >> > > > ripples and effects.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > >> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > >> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > >> > > things which are not

> > >> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Inder

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Dear all,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > >> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > >> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > >> > > my query about such a Yoga

> > >> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > >> > > The thread so far has

> > >> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > >> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > >> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > >> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > >> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > >> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > >> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > >> > > is the top class Brahmin

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > >> > > matter that Ojha is also

> > >> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > >> > > have a shield with me

> > >> > > > because

> > >> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > >> > > all parts of the country.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > >> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > >> > > > I

> > >> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > >> > > have to sing a duet, which

> > >> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > >> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > >> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > >> > > more enlighted persons,

> > >> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > >> > > world in the era of

> > >> > > > romanticism

> > >> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > >> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > >> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > >> > > Ku-roopas.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > >> > > tumko,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > >> > > hai.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > >> > > na sahee,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > >> > > sahee,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > >> > > kam hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > >> > > sahi

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > >> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > >>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > >> > > bhi hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > >> > > bhi hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > >> > > main,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > >> > > hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > >> > > tumko,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > >> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > >>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > >> > > `Jagriti'

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > >> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > >>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > >> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > >> > > deep thought of farman.

> > >> > > > > > > But but..

> > >> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > >> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > >> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > >> > > Tughlak.

> > >> > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > >> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > >> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > >> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > >> > > matters at least to me.

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > >> > > INTERNET

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > >> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > @

> > >> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > >> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > >> > > > > > ...>

> > >> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > >> > > ji has answered the query in best

> > >> > > > > > pragmatic

> > >> > > > > > > > way

> > >> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > >> > > what Lalkitab says.

> > >> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > >> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > >> > > > earning.

> > >> > > > > > In 11th

> > >> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > >> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > >> > > > > > incurred

> > >> > > > > > > > karma

> > >> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > >> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > >> > > > > > of judge

> > >> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > >> > > guide it).

> > >> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > >> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > >> > > > > > Saturn's

> > >> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > >> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > >> > > > > > ko hazir

> > >> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > >> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > >> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > >> > > may be correct],thinking.

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > >> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > >> > > > > > thinking

> > >> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > >> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > >> > > > > > books he

> > >> > > > > > > > would

> > >> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > >> > > win him.

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > >> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > >> > > answered the query in best

> > >> > > > > > pragmatic way

> > >> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > >> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > >> > > > > > represents SABKI

> > >> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > >> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > >> > > > > > seat of

> > >> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > >> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > >> > > > > > before

> > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > >> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > >> > > > > > drishti

> > >> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > >> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > >> > > > > > it on

> > >> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > >> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > >> > > > > > (khuda

> > >> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > >> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > >> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > >> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > >> > > > > > Saturn

> > >> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > >> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > >> > > > > > so]Mars with

> > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > >> > > reading the law books he would

> > >> > > > give

> > >> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > >> > > have been removed]

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > >> > > removed]

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >Â

> > >> > > >

> > >> > >

April 4, 2010

Speaking of " Shaktimaans " , the faulaadi one (And Raj Dada might have better

specific and technical information), I was of the impression that this wonderful

vehicle that was used by Indian Army had a special ability to use not just

gasoline/petrol but also other Hydrocarbons (Diesel and even kerosene and

someone said, even Dalda -- although that last one could be a bit of a 'stretch'

-- you know how some teenagers tend to be when it comes to 'Phainko-logy! " )

Mercury sure fits the bill in terms of it being capable of using all kinds of

information, then sorting and integrating it into a useful pattern and pull out

the sense from seemingly NONSENSE! SYNTHESIS, in other words, the forte of

Mercury! The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets the 'right' angle of

Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we know of as

common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign of weakness,

whereas other see in it the creative potential! Like a wild cat who crouches and

shakes its body sideways as if to warm-up the Shaktiman's engine before it

pounces on its prey or food, as the case may be ;-)

RR_,

, " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> My dear Kulbir,

> Yes Bhai, 'Fear is the Key' and 'Day of Jackal'. Raj Bhardwaj

>

> , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

> > The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

> > regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to

any

> > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun

> > > and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of

> > > various planets as follows

> > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

> > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun and moon

> > > having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan.

> > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings

> > > sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > >

> > >>

> > >> Dear Kulbir jee,

> > >>

> > >> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

> > >>

> > >> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

> > >> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

> > >>

> > >> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination

of

> > >> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > >>

> > >> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

> > >> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > >>

> > >> Inder

> > >>

> > >> --- In

<%40>,

> > >> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Sir Ji

> > >> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan

> > >> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an

young

> > >> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > >> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > >> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> > >> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > >> >

> > >> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > >>

> > >> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > >> > > To:

<%40>

> > >> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > >> > > SiRR ji,

> > >> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > >> > > amongst all nine.

> > >> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > >> > > football and

> > >> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > >> > > Jupiter that has been

> > >> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > >> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > >> > > disturbs all other

> > >> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > >> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > >> > > Regards

> > >> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> > >> ...>wrote:

> > >>

> > >> > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > >> > > perhaps you meant:

> > >> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > >> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > RR_,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > --- In

<%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Dear Raj,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > >> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > >> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > >> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > >> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > >> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > >> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > >> > > > ripples and effects.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > >> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > >> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > >> > > things which are not

> > >> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Inder

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Dear all,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > >> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > >> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > >> > > my query about such a Yoga

> > >> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > >> > > The thread so far has

> > >> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > >> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > >> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > >> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > >> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > >> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > >> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > >> > > is the top class Brahmin

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > >> > > matter that Ojha is also

> > >> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > >> > > have a shield with me

> > >> > > > because

> > >> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > >> > > all parts of the country.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > >> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > >> > > > I

> > >> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > >> > > have to sing a duet, which

> > >> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > >> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > >> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > >> > > more enlighted persons,

> > >> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > >> > > world in the era of

> > >> > > > romanticism

> > >> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > >> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > >> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > >> > > Ku-roopas.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > >> > > tumko,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > >> > > hai.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > >> > > na sahee,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > >> > > sahee,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > >> > > kam hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > >> > > sahi

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > >> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > >>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > >> > > bhi hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > >> > > bhi hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > >> > > main,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > >> > > hai,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > >> > > tumko,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > >> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > >>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > >> > > `Jagriti'

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > >> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > >>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > >> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > >> > > deep thought of farman.

> > >> > > > > > > But but..

> > >> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > >> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > >> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > >> > > Tughlak.

> > >> > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > >> <%40>,

> > >> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > >> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > >> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > >> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > >> > > matters at least to me.

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > >> > > INTERNET

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > >> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > @

> > >> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > >> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > >> > > > > > ...>

> > >> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > >> > > ji has answered the query in best

> > >> > > > > > pragmatic

> > >> > > > > > > > way

> > >> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > >> > > what Lalkitab says.

> > >> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > >> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > >> > > > earning.

> > >> > > > > > In 11th

> > >> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > >> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > >> > > > > > incurred

> > >> > > > > > > > karma

> > >> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > >> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > >> > > > > > of judge

> > >> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > >> > > guide it).

> > >> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > >> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > >> > > > > > Saturn's

> > >> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > >> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > >> > > > > > ko hazir

> > >> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > >> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > >> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > >> > > may be correct],thinking.

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > >> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > >> > > > > > thinking

> > >> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > >> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > >> > > > > > books he

> > >> > > > > > > > would

> > >> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > >> > > win him.

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > >> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > >> > > answered the query in best

> > >> > > > > > pragmatic way

> > >> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > >> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > >> > > > > > represents SABKI

> > >> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > >> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > >> > > > > > seat of

> > >> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > >> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > >> > > > > > before

> > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > >> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > >> > > > > > drishti

> > >> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > >> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > >> > > > > > it on

> > >> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > >> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > >> > > > > > (khuda

> > >> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > >> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > >> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > >> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > >> > > > > > Saturn

> > >> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > >> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > >> > > > > > so]Mars with

> > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > >> > > reading the law books he would

> > >> > > > give

> > >> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > >> > > have been removed]

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > >> > > removed]

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >Â

> > >> > > >

> > >> > >

April 4, 2010

Dear Kulbir ji,

I am unable to understand this mathemetics of strenghts.

Limited point I was trying to say that:

Every Shaktimaan should have strong Mercury but every Mercurian can not be

Shaktimaan.

Inder

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Inder Ji,

> O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any

> chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and

> Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various

> planets as follows

> Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

> Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9

> strength respectively.

> Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan.

> and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat

> on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Kulbir jee,

> >

> > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

> >

> > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with

> > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

> >

> > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of

> > planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> >

> > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

> > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> >

> > Inder

> >

> > <%40>,

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir Ji

> > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji

> > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young

> > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> >

> > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > <%40>

> > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > > SiRR ji,

> > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > > amongst all nine.

> > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > > > football and

> > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > > Jupiter that has been

> > > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > > disturbs all other

> > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> > ...>wrote:

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > > things which are not

> > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > > The thread so far has

> > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > > have a shield with me

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > > all parts of the country.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > > world in the era of

> > > > > romanticism

> > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > > tumko,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > > hai.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > > na sahee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > > sahee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > > kam hai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > > sahi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > > main,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > > hai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > tumko,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > > `Jagriti'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > > Tughlak.

> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > > INTERNET

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @

> > > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > earning.

> > > > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > > incurred

> > > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > > > of judge

> > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > > guide it).

> > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > > > books he

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > > win him.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > > answered the query in best

> > > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > > > seat of

> > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > > > drishti

> > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > > > it on

> > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > > reading the law books he would

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > > have been removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Â

> > > > >

> > > >

April 4, 2010

*SiRR ji,*

* Jigar Moradabadi says ;-*

*vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii*

*ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

*kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa** **

muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

*vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** **

bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

*ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** **

hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

*na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** **

musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote:

>

> Speaking of " Shaktimaans " , the faulaadi one (And Raj Dada might have better

> specific and technical information), I was of the impression that this

> wonderful vehicle that was used by Indian Army had a special ability to use

> not just gasoline/petrol but also other Hydrocarbons (Diesel and even

> kerosene and someone said, even Dalda -- although that last one could be a

> bit of a 'stretch' -- you know how some teenagers tend to be when it comes

> to 'Phainko-logy! " )

>

> Mercury sure fits the bill in terms of it being capable of using all kinds

> of information, then sorting and integrating it into a useful pattern and

> pull out the sense from seemingly NONSENSE! SYNTHESIS, in other words, the

> forte of Mercury! The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets the

> 'right' angle of Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we know of

> as common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign of

> weakness, whereas other see in it the creative potential! Like a wild cat

> who crouches and shakes its body sideways as if to warm-up the Shaktiman's

> engine before it pounces on its prey or food, as the case may be ;-)

>

> RR_,

>

> <%40>,

> " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

> >

> > My dear Kulbir,

> > Yes Bhai, 'Fear is the Key' and 'Day of Jackal'. Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > <%40>,

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

> > > The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

> > > regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference

> to any

> > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when

> Sun

> > > > and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of

> > > > various planets as follows

> > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury

> =4/9,

> > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun and moon

> > > > having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual

> power.

> > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by

> Pakistan.

> > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden

> brings

> > > > sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > >>

> > > >> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all

> Shaktiman.

> > > >>

> > > >> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

> > > >> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not

> truth.

> > > >>

> > > >> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with

> combination of

> > > >> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > > >>

> > > >> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is

> very

> > > >> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > > >>

> > > >> Inder

> > > >>

> > > >> --- In

<%40>

> <%40>,

> > > >> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Sir Ji

> > > >> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of

> buddhimaan

> > > >> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also

> an young

> > > >> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > >> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > >> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can

> Control

> > > >> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > >> >

> > > >> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > >>

> > > >> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > >> > > To:

<%40>

> <%40>

> > > >> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > >> > > SiRR ji,

> > > >> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > >> > > amongst all nine.

> > > >> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > > >> > > football and

> > > >> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > >> > > Jupiter that has been

> > > >> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > >> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > >> > > disturbs all other

> > > >> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > >> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> > > >> ...>wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > >> > > perhaps you meant:

> > > >> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > >> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > RR_,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > > >> <%40>,

> > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > >> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > >> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > >> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > >> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > >> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > >> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > >> > > > ripples and effects.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > >> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > >> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > >> > > things which are not

> > > >> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Inder

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > > >> <%40>,

> > > >> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > >> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > >> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > >> > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > >> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > >> > > The thread so far has

> > > >> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > >> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > >> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > >> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > >> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > >> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > >> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > >> > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > >> > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > >> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > >> > > have a shield with me

> > > >> > > > because

> > > >> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > >> > > all parts of the country.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > >> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > >> > > > I

> > > >> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > >> > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > >> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > >> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > >> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > >> > > more enlighted persons,

> > > >> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > >> > > world in the era of

> > > >> > > > romanticism

> > > >> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > >> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > >> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > >> > > Ku-roopas.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > >> > > tumko,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > >> > > hai.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > >> > > na sahee,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > >> > > sahee,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > >> > > kam hai,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > >> > > sahi

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > >> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > >>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > >> > > main,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > >> > > hai,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > >> > > tumko,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > >> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > >>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > >> > > `Jagriti'

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > >> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > >>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > > >> <%40>,

> > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > >> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > >> > > deep thought of farman.

> > > >> > > > > > > But but..

> > > >> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > >> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > >> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > >> > > Tughlak.

> > > >> > > > > > > Inder

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> <%40>

> > > >> <%40>,

> > > >> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > >> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > >> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > >> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > >> > > matters at least to me.

> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > >> > > INTERNET

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > @

> > > >> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > >> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > >> > > > > > ...>

> > > >> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > >> > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > >> > > > > > pragmatic

> > > >> > > > > > > > way

> > > >> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > >> > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > >> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > >> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > >> > > > earning.

> > > >> > > > > > In 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > >> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > >> > > > > > incurred

> > > >> > > > > > > > karma

> > > >> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > >> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > >> > > > > > of judge

> > > >> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > >> > > guide it).

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > >> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > >> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > >> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > >> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > >> > > > > > ko hazir

> > > >> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > >> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > >> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > >> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > >> > > > > > thinking

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > >> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > >> > > > > > books he

> > > >> > > > > > > > would

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > >> > > win him.

> > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > >> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > >> > > answered the query in best

> > > >> > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > >> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > >> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > >> > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > >> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > >> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > >> > > > > > seat of

> > > >> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > >> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > >> > > > > > before

> > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > >> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > >> > > > > > drishti

> > > >> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > >> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > >> > > > > > it on

> > > >> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > >> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > >> > > > > > (khuda

> > > >> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > >> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > >> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > >> > > > > > Saturn

> > > >> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > >> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > >> > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > >> > > reading the law books he would

> > > >> > > > give

> > > >> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > >> > > have been removed]

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > >> > > removed]

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >Â

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >

April 4, 2010

My dear Rohini Bhai,

//The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets the 'right' angle of

Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we know of, as

common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign of

weakness, whereas other see in it the creative potential!//

Rohini yes,this is perhaps what I have been searching and you have given

it to All so beautifully! Blessings,for this flashing and lightening

truth! So, here ends the thread logically ! There is no Guru...there is

no Chaandal....there is no Shishya too. It is Budham Sharnam

Gachha-me-e!

On the Wild Cat though , I will add:-

The class/period of a Guru is about to end... Guru asks the Shishya - Ek

Ne Kahi Dooje Ne Maani.. ? Shishya replies :- Teeno Param Gyaani ! Guru

in anger:- What the bloody hell is this Teeno ? Shishya replies :-

Guruvar , a wild cat in the Window was also listening!

Therefore Kulbir Inthaa yuun bhi hair aur yuuN bhii ! Remember ? Shouq

Har Rang Rakeebe Saroo Saamaan Niklaa ....by Ghalib !

Raj Bhardwaj

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> *SiRR ji,*

> * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-*

>

> *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

> hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii*

>

> *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

> ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

>

> *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa** **

> muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

>

> *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** **

> bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

>

> *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** **

> hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** **

> musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, rohinicrystal jyotish_vaniwrote:

>

> >

> > Speaking of " Shaktimaans " , the faulaadi one (And Raj Dada might have

better

> > specific and technical information), I was of the impression that

this

> > wonderful vehicle that was used by Indian Army had a special ability

to use

> > not just gasoline/petrol but also other Hydrocarbons (Diesel and

even

> > kerosene and someone said, even Dalda -- although that last one

could be a

> > bit of a 'stretch' -- you know how some teenagers tend to be when it

comes

> > to 'Phainko-logy! " )

> >

> > Mercury sure fits the bill in terms of it being capable of using all

kinds

> > of information, then sorting and integrating it into a useful

pattern and

> > pull out the sense from seemingly NONSENSE! SYNTHESIS, in other

words, the

> > forte of Mercury! The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets

the

> > 'right' angle of Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we

know of

> > as common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign

of

> > weakness, whereas other see in it the creative potential! Like a

wild cat

> > who crouches and shakes its body sideways as if to warm-up the

Shaktiman's

> > engine before it pounces on its prey or food, as the case may be ;-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Raj " rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:

> > >

> > > My dear Kulbir,

> > > Yes Bhai, 'Fear is the Key' and 'Day of Jackal'. Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40>,

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

> > > > The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

> > > > regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy

all the

> > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with

reference

> > to any

> > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What

happens when

> > Sun

> > > > > and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the

strengths of

> > > > > various planets as follows

> > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9,

Mercury

> > =4/9,

> > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun

and moon

> > > > > having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the

actual

> > power.

> > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued

by

> > Pakistan.

> > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin

laden

> > brings

> > > > > sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all

> > Shaktiman.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

> > > > >> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is

not

> > truth.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with

> > combination of

> > > > >> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with

Rahu it is

> > very

> > > > >> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Inder

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > >> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Sir Ji

> > > > >> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of

> > buddhimaan

> > > > >> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom

..Also

> > an young

> > > > >> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > > >> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > >> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â

Wisemen Can

> > Control

> > > > >> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > >> > > To:

<%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > >> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > > >> > > SiRR ji,

> > > > >> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > > >> > > amongst all nine.

> > > > >> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like

a

> > > > >> > > football and

> > > > >> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > > >> > > Jupiter that has been

> > > > >> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > > >> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > > >> > > disturbs all other

> > > > >> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > > >> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > > >> > > Regards

> > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal

<jyotish_vani@

> > > > >> ...>wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > > >> > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > >> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > > >> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > RR_,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > > >> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > >> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > > >> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > >> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > > >> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > > >> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > >> > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > > >> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > >> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > > >> > > things which are not

> > > > >> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Inder

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > >> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > > >> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > >> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > > >> > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > >> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > > >> > > The thread so far has

> > > > >> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > > >> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > >> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > > >> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > >> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > > >> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > >> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > > >> > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > > >> > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > >> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > > >> > > have a shield with me

> > > > >> > > > because

> > > > >> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > > >> > > all parts of the country.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > > >> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > >> > > > I

> > > > >> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > > >> > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > >> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > > >> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > >> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > > >> > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > >> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > > >> > > world in the era of

> > > > >> > > > romanticism

> > > > >> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > > >> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > >> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > > >> > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > > >> > > tumko,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > > >> > > hai.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > > >> > > na sahee,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > > >> > > sahee,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > > >> > > kam hai,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > > >> > > sahi

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > >> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > > >> > > main,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > > >> > > hai,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > >> > > tumko,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > > >> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > > >> > > `Jagriti'

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > > >> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > >> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > > >> > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > >> > > > > > > But but..

> > > > >> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > > >> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > >> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > > >> > > Tughlak.

> > > > >> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > >> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > > >> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > > >> > > matters at least to me.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > > >> > > INTERNET

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > @

> > > > >> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > >> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > >> > > > > > ...>

> > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > > >> > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > >> > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > >> > > > > > > > way

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > > >> > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > > >> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > >> > > > earning.

> > > > >> > > > > > In 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > > >> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > >> > > > > > incurred

> > > > >> > > > > > > > karma

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > > >> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > >> > > > > > of judge

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > > >> > > guide it).

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > > >> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > >> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > > >> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > >> > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > > >> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > >> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > > >> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > >> > > > > > thinking

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > > >> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > >> > > > > > books he

> > > > >> > > > > > > > would

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > > >> > > win him.

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > > >> > > answered the query in best

> > > > >> > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > >> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > > >> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > >> > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > >> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > >> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > >> > > > > > seat of

> > > > >> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > >> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > >> > > > > > before

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > > >> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > >> > > > > > drishti

> > > > >> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > > >> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > >> > > > > > it on

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > > >> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > >> > > > > > (khuda

> > > > >> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > > >> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > > >> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > >> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > >> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > > >> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > >> > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > > >> > > reading the law books he would

> > > > >> > > > give

> > > > >> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > > >> > > have been removed]

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > >> > > removed]

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >Â

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > >

April 4, 2010

YES SIR, ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL!

Respect and Regards

Kulbir Bains.

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> My dear Rohini Bhai,

>

> //The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets the 'right' angle of

>

> Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we know of, as

> common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign of

> weakness, whereas other see in it the creative potential!//

>

> Rohini yes,this is perhaps what I have been searching and you have given

> it to All so beautifully! Blessings,for this flashing and lightening

> truth! So, here ends the thread logically ! There is no Guru...there is

> no Chaandal....there is no Shishya too. It is Budham Sharnam

> Gachha-me-e!

>

> On the Wild Cat though , I will add:-

> The class/period of a Guru is about to end... Guru asks the Shishya - Ek

> Ne Kahi Dooje Ne Maani.. ? Shishya replies :- Teeno Param Gyaani ! Guru

> in anger:- What the bloody hell is this Teeno ? Shishya replies :-

> Guruvar , a wild cat in the Window was also listening!

>

> Therefore Kulbir Inthaa yuun bhi hair aur yuuN bhii ! Remember ? Shouq

> Har Rang Rakeebe Saroo Saamaan Niklaa ....by Ghalib !

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> <%40>,

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

> wrote:

> >

> > *SiRR ji,*

>

> > * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-*

> >

> > *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

> > hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii*

> >

> > *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

> > ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> >

> > *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa** **

> > muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> >

> > *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** **

> > bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> >

> > *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** **

> > hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> > *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** **

> > musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, rohinicrystal jyotish_vaniwrote:

>

> >

> > >

> > > Speaking of " Shaktimaans " , the faulaadi one (And Raj Dada might have

> better

> > > specific and technical information), I was of the impression that

> this

> > > wonderful vehicle that was used by Indian Army had a special ability

> to use

> > > not just gasoline/petrol but also other Hydrocarbons (Diesel and

> even

> > > kerosene and someone said, even Dalda -- although that last one

> could be a

> > > bit of a 'stretch' -- you know how some teenagers tend to be when it

> comes

> > > to 'Phainko-logy! " )

> > >

> > > Mercury sure fits the bill in terms of it being capable of using all

> kinds

> > > of information, then sorting and integrating it into a useful

> pattern and

> > > pull out the sense from seemingly NONSENSE! SYNTHESIS, in other

> words, the

> > > forte of Mercury! The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets

> the

> > > 'right' angle of Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we

> know of

> > > as common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign

> of

> > > weakness, whereas other see in it the creative potential! Like a

> wild cat

> > > who crouches and shakes its body sideways as if to warm-up the

> Shaktiman's

> > > engine before it pounces on its prey or food, as the case may be ;-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > --- In

> <%40>

> <%40>,

>

> > > " Raj " rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > My dear Kulbir,

> > > > Yes Bhai, 'Fear is the Key' and 'Day of Jackal'. Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> <%40>

> <%40>,

>

> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

> > > > > The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

> > > > > regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy

> all the

> > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with

> reference

> > > to any

> > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What

> happens when

> > > Sun

> > > > > > and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the

> strengths of

> > > > > > various planets as follows

> > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9,

> Mercury

> > > =4/9,

> > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun

> and moon

> > > > > > having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the

> actual

> > > power.

> > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued

> by

> > > Pakistan.

> > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin

> laden

> > > brings

> > > > > > sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all

> > > Shaktiman.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

> > > > > >> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is

> not

> > > truth.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with

> > > combination of

> > > > > >> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with

> Rahu it is

> > > very

> > > > > >> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Inder

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> --- In

> <%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > >> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Sir Ji

> > > > > >> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of

> > > buddhimaan

> > > > > >> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom

> .Also

> > > an young

> > > > > >> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > > > >> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > >> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â

> Wisemen Can

> > > Control

> > > > > >> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > > >> > > To:

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > >> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > > > >> > > SiRR ji,

> > > > > >> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > > > >> > > amongst all nine.

> > > > > >> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like

> a

> > > > > >> > > football and

> > > > > >> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > > > >> > > Jupiter that has been

> > > > > >> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > > > >> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > > > >> > > disturbs all other

> > > > > >> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > > > >> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > > > >> > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal

> <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > >> ...>wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > > > >> > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > > >> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > > > >> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > RR_,

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > > > >> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > > >> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > > > >> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > > >> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > > > >> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > > > >> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > > >> > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > > > >> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > > >> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > > > >> > > things which are not

> > > > > >> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Inder

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > >> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > > > >> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > >> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > > > >> > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > >> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > > > >> > > The thread so far has

> > > > > >> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > > > >> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > >> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > > > >> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > > > >> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > >> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > > > >> > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > > > >> > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > >> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > > > >> > > have a shield with me

> > > > > >> > > > because

> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > > > >> > > all parts of the country.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > > > >> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > > >> > > > I

> > > > > >> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > > > >> > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > >> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > > > >> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > >> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > > > >> > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > >> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > > > >> > > world in the era of

> > > > > >> > > > romanticism

> > > > > >> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > > > >> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > >> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > > > >> > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > > > >> > > tumko,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > > > >> > > hai.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > > > >> > > na sahee,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > > > >> > > sahee,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > > > >> > > kam hai,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > > > >> > > sahi

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > >> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > > > >> > > main,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > > > >> > > hai,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > >> > > tumko,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > > > >> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > > > >> > > `Jagriti'

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > > > >> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > > > >> > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > But but..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > > > >> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > >> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > > > >> > > Tughlak.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > >> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > > > >> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > > > >> > > matters at least to me.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > > > >> > > INTERNET

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > @

> > > > > >> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > >> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > > > >> > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > >> > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > way

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > > > >> > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > > > >> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > >> > > > earning.

> > > > > >> > > > > > In 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > > > >> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > >> > > > > > incurred

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > > > >> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > >> > > > > > of judge

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > > > >> > > guide it).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > > > >> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > > > >> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > >> > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > > > >> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > >> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > > > >> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > >> > > > > > thinking

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > > > >> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > >> > > > > > books he

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > > > >> > > win him.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > > > >> > > answered the query in best

> > > > > >> > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > > > >> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > >> > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > >> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > >> > > > > > seat of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > >> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > >> > > > > > before

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > > > >> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > >> > > > > > drishti

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > > > >> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > >> > > > > > it on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > > > >> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > >> > > > > > (khuda

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > > > >> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > > > >> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > > > >> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > >> > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > > > >> > > reading the law books he would

> > > > > >> > > > give

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > > > >> > > have been removed]

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > >> > > removed]

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >Â

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > >

April 4, 2010

Inder jee (and any wildcats listening from the window sill :-)),

Each person comes with all the astrological factors (even the intercepted signs

and intercepted planets are all fully there waiting for the Commander's Call!),

so these labels such as mercurian, jupitarian, martian, saturnine are all

misleading to some extent. Even though there may be a dominant personal planet,

or a dominant temporal influence (dasa, transit) at a given time, there is never

a pure influence! So in other words, while convenient and indulged in by many

astrologers for benefic or malefic purposes, we should avoid such stereotyping

because it is not true and there is no pure influence.

If we begin to see the astrological game-board (round or square or floral

shapes, subject to preferences) as an interactive matrix where nearly every

factor influences the other at some level, including in kemadruma-type settings

-- a new perspective emerges, one which is not black or white but has a lot of

greys: Just like REAL LIFE! ;-)

Rohiniranjan

, " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

> I am unable to understand this mathemetics of strenghts.

> Limited point I was trying to say that:

> Every Shaktimaan should have strong Mercury but every Mercurian can not be

Shaktimaan.

> Inder

>

> , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inder Ji,

> > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any

> > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and

> > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various

> > planets as follows

> > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

> > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9

> > strength respectively.

> > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan.

> > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat

> > on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > >

> > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

> > >

> > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

beneficial[with

> > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

> > >

> > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of

> > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > >

> > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very

> > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > >

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40>,

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir Ji

> > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan

ji

> > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young

> > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > >

> > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > > To:

<%40>

> > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > > > SiRR ji,

> > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > > > amongst all nine.

> > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > > > > football and

> > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > > > Jupiter that has been

> > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > > > disturbs all other

> > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> > > ...>wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > > > things which are not

> > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > > > The thread so far has

> > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > > > have a shield with me

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > > > all parts of the country.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > > > world in the era of

> > > > > > romanticism

> > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > > > tumko,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > > > na sahee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > > > sahee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > > > kam hai,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > > > sahi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > > > main,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > tumko,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > > > `Jagriti'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > > > Tughlak.

> > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > > > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > > > INTERNET

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > @

> > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > > earning.

> > > > > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > > > incurred

> > > > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > > > > of judge

> > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > > > guide it).

> > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > > > > books he

> > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > > > win him.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > > > answered the query in best

> > > > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > > > > seat of

> > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > > > > drishti

> > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > > > > it on

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > > > reading the law books he would

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > > > have been removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Â

> > > > > >

> > > > >

April 4, 2010

That depends, Kulbir :-)

Even a spiral (spring) when looked in 2-D end-on looks like a circle. It is only

when our perspective shifts a bit to one side that its true nature, namely that

of a SPIRAL reveals itself. Perhaps this has something to do with the

2-dimensional (due to astronomical distances) perspective of the heavens that

gives us the shapes of the zodiac because all we see is the width and spread but

not the 3-D DEPTH of the skies.

Rohiniranjan

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> YES SIR, ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL!

> Respect and Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> >

> > My dear Rohini Bhai,

> >

> > //The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets the 'right' angle of

> >

> > Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we know of, as

> > common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign of

> > weakness, whereas other see in it the creative potential!//

> >

> > Rohini yes,this is perhaps what I have been searching and you have given

> > it to All so beautifully! Blessings,for this flashing and lightening

> > truth! So, here ends the thread logically ! There is no Guru...there is

> > no Chaandal....there is no Shishya too. It is Budham Sharnam

> > Gachha-me-e!

> >

> > On the Wild Cat though , I will add:-

> > The class/period of a Guru is about to end... Guru asks the Shishya - Ek

> > Ne Kahi Dooje Ne Maani.. ? Shishya replies :- Teeno Param Gyaani ! Guru

> > in anger:- What the bloody hell is this Teeno ? Shishya replies :-

> > Guruvar , a wild cat in the Window was also listening!

> >

> > Therefore Kulbir Inthaa yuun bhi hair aur yuuN bhii ! Remember ? Shouq

> > Har Rang Rakeebe Saroo Saamaan Niklaa ....by Ghalib !

> >

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > <%40>,

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > *SiRR ji,*

> >

> > > * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-*

> > >

> > > *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

> > > hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii*

> > >

> > > *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **

> > > ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> > >

> > > *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa** **

> > > muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> > >

> > > *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** **

> > > bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> > >

> > > *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** **

> > > hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> > > *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** **

> > > musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:39 AM, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani:

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of " Shaktimaans " , the faulaadi one (And Raj Dada might have

> > better

> > > > specific and technical information), I was of the impression that

> > this

> > > > wonderful vehicle that was used by Indian Army had a special ability

> > to use

> > > > not just gasoline/petrol but also other Hydrocarbons (Diesel and

> > even

> > > > kerosene and someone said, even Dalda -- although that last one

> > could be a

> > > > bit of a 'stretch' -- you know how some teenagers tend to be when it

> > comes

> > > > to 'Phainko-logy! " )

> > > >

> > > > Mercury sure fits the bill in terms of it being capable of using all

> > kinds

> > > > of information, then sorting and integrating it into a useful

> > pattern and

> > > > pull out the sense from seemingly NONSENSE! SYNTHESIS, in other

> > words, the

> > > > forte of Mercury! The right angle in jyotishi which when it meets

> > the

> > > > 'right' angle of Jupiter, forms the angles and angularities that we

> > know of

> > > > as common/mutable/dwiswabhava! Some see in that vacillation a sign

> > of

> > > > weakness, whereas other see in it the creative potential! Like a

> > wild cat

> > > > who crouches and shakes its body sideways as if to warm-up the

> > Shaktiman's

> > > > engine before it pounces on its prey or food, as the case may be ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > " Raj " rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > My dear Kulbir,

> > > > > Yes Bhai, 'Fear is the Key' and 'Day of Jackal'. Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji,

> > > > > > The living example of Shishya-Chandal yog is Osama and CIA yog.

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy

> > all the

> > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with

> > reference

> > > > to any

> > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What

> > happens when

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > > and Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the

> > strengths of

> > > > > > > various planets as follows

> > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9,

> > Mercury

> > > > =4/9,

> > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength 2/9 and 1/9 cause eclipde to Sun

> > and moon

> > > > > > > having 9/9 and 8/9 strength respectively.

> > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the

> > actual

> > > > power.

> > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued

> > by

> > > > Pakistan.

> > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin

> > laden

> > > > brings

> > > > > > > sweat on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all

> > > > Shaktiman.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

> > > > > > >> beneficial[with reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is

> > not

> > > > truth.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with

> > > > combination of

> > > > > > >> planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with

> > Rahu it is

> > > > very

> > > > > > >> comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Inder

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > >> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Sir Ji

> > > > > > >> > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of

> > > > buddhimaan

> > > > > > >> ji kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom

> > .Also

> > > > an young

> > > > > > >> planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > > > > >> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > >> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â

> > Wisemen Can

> > > > Control

> > > > > > >> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > > > >> > > To:

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >> > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > > > > >> > > SiRR ji,

> > > > > > >> > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > > > > >> > > amongst all nine.

> > > > > > >> > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like

> > a

> > > > > > >> > > football and

> > > > > > >> > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > > > > >> > > Jupiter that has been

> > > > > > >> > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > > > > >> > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > > > > >> > > disturbs all other

> > > > > > >> > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > > > > >> > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > > > > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal

> > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > >> ...>wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > > > > >> > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > > > >> > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > > > > >> > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > > > > >> > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > > > > >> > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > > > >> > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > > > > >> > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > > > > >> > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > > > >> > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > > > > >> > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > > > >> > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > > > > >> > > things which are not

> > > > > > >> > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > > >> > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > > > > >> > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > > >> > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > > > > >> > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > > >> > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > > > > >> > > The thread so far has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > > > > >> > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > > >> > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > > > > >> > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > > > > >> > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > > > > >> > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > > > > >> > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > > > > >> > > have a shield with me

> > > > > > >> > > > because

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > > > > >> > > all parts of the country.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > > > > >> > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > > > >> > > > I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > > > > >> > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > > > > >> > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > > > > >> > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > > > > >> > > world in the era of

> > > > > > >> > > > romanticism

> > > > > > >> > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > > > > >> > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > > > > >> > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > > > > >> > > tumko,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > > > > >> > > hai.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > > > > >> > > na sahee,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > > > > >> > > sahee,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > > > > >> > > kam hai,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > > > > >> > > sahi

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > > >> > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > > > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > > > > >> > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > > > > >> > > main,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > > > > >> > > hai,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > > >> > > tumko,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > > > > >> > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > > > > >> > > `Jagriti'

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > > > > >> > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > > >> > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > > > > >> > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > > > > >> > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > > >> > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > > > > >> > > Tughlak.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >> <%40>,

> > > > > > >> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > > > > >> > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > > > > >> > > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > > > > >> > > INTERNET

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > @

> > > > > > >> > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >> > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > > > > >> > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > > > > >> > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > > > > >> > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > > >> > > > earning.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > > > > >> > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > incurred

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > > > > >> > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of judge

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > > > > >> > > guide it).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > > > > >> > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > > > > >> > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > > >> > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > > > > >> > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > > >> > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > > > > >> > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > > >> > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > > > > >> > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > > >> > > > > > books he

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > > > > >> > > win him.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > > > > >> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > > > > >> > > answered the query in best

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > > > > >> > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > > >> > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > seat of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > >> > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > > >> > > > > > before

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > > > > >> > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > drishti

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > > > > >> > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > > >> > > > > > it on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > > > > >> > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > > > > >> > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > > > > >> > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > > >> > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > > > > >> > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > > >> > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > > > > >> > > reading the law books he would

> > > > > > >> > > > give

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > > > > >> > > have been removed]

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > >> > > removed]

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >Â

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > >

April 6, 2010

Yes Sir,

That is what I am trying to say.

Inder

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Inder jee (and any wildcats listening from the window sill :-)),

>

> Each person comes with all the astrological factors (even the intercepted

signs and intercepted planets are all fully there waiting for the Commander's

Call!), so these labels such as mercurian, jupitarian, martian, saturnine are

all misleading to some extent. Even though there may be a dominant personal

planet, or a dominant temporal influence (dasa, transit) at a given time, there

is never a pure influence! So in other words, while convenient and indulged in

by many astrologers for benefic or malefic purposes, we should avoid such

stereotyping because it is not true and there is no pure influence.

>

> If we begin to see the astrological game-board (round or square or floral

shapes, subject to preferences) as an interactive matrix where nearly every

factor influences the other at some level, including in kemadruma-type settings

-- a new perspective emerges, one which is not black or white but has a lot of

greys: Just like REAL LIFE! ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > I am unable to understand this mathemetics of strenghts.

> > Limited point I was trying to say that:

> > Every Shaktimaan should have strong Mercury but every Mercurian can not be

Shaktimaan.

> > Inder

> >

> > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to

any

> > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun

and

> > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of

various

> > > planets as follows

> > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

> > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and

8/9

> > > strength respectively.

> > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan.

> > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings

sweat

> > > on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > >

> > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman.

> > > >

> > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

beneficial[with

> > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

> > > >

> > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination

of

> > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > > >

> > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is

very

> > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir Ji

> > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan

ji

> > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an

young

> > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > >

> > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > > > To:

<%40>

> > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > > > > SiRR ji,

> > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > > > > amongst all nine.

> > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > > > > > football and

> > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > > > > Jupiter that has been

> > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > > > > disturbs all other

> > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> > > > ...>wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > > > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > > > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > > > > things which are not

> > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > > > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > > > > The thread so far has

> > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > > > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > > > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > > > > have a shield with me

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > > > > all parts of the country.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > > > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > > > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > > > > world in the era of

> > > > > > > romanticism

> > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > > > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > > > > tumko,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > > > > na sahee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > > > > sahee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > > > > kam hai,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > > > > sahi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > > > > main,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > > tumko,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > > > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > > > > `Jagriti'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > > > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > > > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > > > > Tughlak.

> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > > > > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > > > > INTERNET

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > @

> > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > > > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > > > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > > > earning.

> > > > > > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > > > > incurred

> > > > > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > > > > > of judge

> > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > > > > guide it).

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > > > > > books he

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > > > > win him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > > > > answered the query in best

> > > > > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > > > > > seat of

> > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > > > > > drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > > > > > it on

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > > > > reading the law books he would

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > > > > have been removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

April 6, 2010

I am happy that you decided to join the 'Deepaks'! There is much affection and

love where light is!

RR_,

, " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Yes Sir,

> That is what I am trying to say.

> Inder

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Inder jee (and any wildcats listening from the window sill :-)),

> >

> > Each person comes with all the astrological factors (even the intercepted

signs and intercepted planets are all fully there waiting for the Commander's

Call!), so these labels such as mercurian, jupitarian, martian, saturnine are

all misleading to some extent. Even though there may be a dominant personal

planet, or a dominant temporal influence (dasa, transit) at a given time, there

is never a pure influence! So in other words, while convenient and indulged in

by many astrologers for benefic or malefic purposes, we should avoid such

stereotyping because it is not true and there is no pure influence.

> >

> > If we begin to see the astrological game-board (round or square or floral

shapes, subject to preferences) as an interactive matrix where nearly every

factor influences the other at some level, including in kemadruma-type settings

-- a new perspective emerges, one which is not black or white but has a lot of

greys: Just like REAL LIFE! ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > I am unable to understand this mathemetics of strenghts.

> > > Limited point I was trying to say that:

> > > Every Shaktimaan should have strong Mercury but every Mercurian can not be

Shaktimaan.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Inder Ji,

> > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the

> > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to

any

> > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.//

> > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun

and

> > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5.

> > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of

various

> > > > planets as follows

> > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9,

> > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9.

> > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and

8/9

> > > > strength respectively.

> > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power.

> > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by

Pakistan.

> > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings

sweat

> > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power.

> > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all

Shaktiman.

> > > > >

> > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and

beneficial[with

> > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with

combination of

> > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is

very

> > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40>,

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir Ji

> > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of

buddhimaan ji

> > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an

young

> > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

> > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET

> > > > > > > To:

<%40>

> > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM

> > > > > > > SiRR ji,

> > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only

> > > > > > > amongst all nine.

> > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a

> > > > > > > football and

> > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak

> > > > > > > Jupiter that has been

> > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury.

> > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but

> > > > > > > disturbs all other

> > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form.

> > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > ...>wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai,

> > > > > > > perhaps you meant:

> > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious

> > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Raj,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty

> > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a

> > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but

> > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant,

> > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and

> > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about

> > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by

> > > > > > > > ripples and effects.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our

> > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists

> > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the

> > > > > > > things which are not

> > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the

> > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would

> > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for

> > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `.

> > > > > > > The thread so far has

> > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is

> > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas

> > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the

> > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj.

> > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old

> > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha

> > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he

> > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other

> > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also

> > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I

> > > > > > > have a shield with me

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in

> > > > > > > all parts of the country.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my

> > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may

> > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which

> > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika)

> > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or

> > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or

> > > > > > > more enlighted persons,

> > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the

> > > > > > > world in the era of

> > > > > > > > romanticism

> > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no

> > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx,

> > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or

> > > > > > > Ku-roopas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai

> > > > > > > tumko,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki

> > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat

> > > > > > > na sahee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na

> > > > > > > sahee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya

> > > > > > > kam hai,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa

> > > > > > > sahi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur haiâ€¦.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur

> > > > > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur

> > > > > > > bhi hai,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya

> > > > > > > main,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee

> > > > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai

> > > > > > > tumko,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki

> > > > > > > haiâ€¦â€¦â€¦..!

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in

> > > > > > > `Jagriti'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke ,

> > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhnaâ€¦.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and

> > > > > > > deep thought of farman.

> > > > > > > > > > > But but..

> > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well

> > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went

> > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor

> > > > > > > Tughlak.

> > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder;

> > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me

> > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it

> > > > > > > matters at least to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga &

> > > > > > > INTERNET

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > @

> > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR

> > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best

> > > > > > > > > > pragmatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding

> > > > > > > what Lalkitab says.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI

> > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > > > > earning.

> > > > > > > > > > In 11th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of

> > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > > > > > incurred

> > > > > > > > > > > > karma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before

> > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat

> > > > > > > > > > of judge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to

> > > > > > > guide it).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the

> > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping

> > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda

> > > > > > > > > > ko hazir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02

> > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes

> > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but

> > > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter

> > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law

> > > > > > > > > > books he

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may

> > > > > > > win him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM,

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has

> > > > > > > answered the query in best

> > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way

> > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what

> > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11.

> > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI

> > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN

> > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the

> > > > > > > > > > seat of

> > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the

> > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on

> > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the

> > > > > > > > > > drishti

> > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes

> > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes

> > > > > > > > > > it on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and

> > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind.

> > > > > > > > > > (khuda

> > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,

> > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful,

> > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or

> > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but

> > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter +

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good

> > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it

> > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without

> > > > > > > reading the law books he would

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > > > > > > have been removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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