Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

March 28, 2010

What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas

;-)

RR

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

>

> If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are variants of BPHS

which lack those spurious verses, and if you have no time to resolve such

issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if someone wants to work on issues

you have long " parked off " ??

>

> Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " ) as you say,

but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made such an obvious

mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but interpolations. You are not a novice

in jyotisha to be told such things. The reason is that these observations came

from a " disgusting " person and therefore these observations must be disgusting

and must be parked off together with that person.

>

> -VJ

> ======================================== ====

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Mr RR Ji,

> >

> > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long have you

" parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne time to solve them?

Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from many other manuscripts and

publications are not interpolations for you but mere 'guththies'!!

> >

> > -VJ

> > ================= ===

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > >

> > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have and which

caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next sloka!

> > >

> > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have developed a

useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park or defer certain thing

without ending up pulling our hair or of the person standing next to us! We

learn to put things on back burners without going into a tizzy or stroke and

move on with life and then return to the 'guththie' later on when we have the

time and patience to tackle it.

> > >

> > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > >

> > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone MUST try it at

least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting, Venus or Mercury

being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS

are publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > >

> > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS to the level

of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my persona??

> > > >

> > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing me , and now

you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet your Jagir? If I am in

the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > >

> > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th,

9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but the opposite is

happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS comprising of all

existing variants. What was wrong with this idea which prompted you to ask me to

leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > >

> > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean Vinamrataa, as

some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of vi+naya, the latter from the

root NEE (to lead). Same is the meaning of Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do

not need votes.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to personal

remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss astrology with me, please

keep away from threads started by me or for me (it is not my wish).

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============================= ==

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > >

> > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > > > >

> > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that dissolves away

completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and promise that your

parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished upon you!

> > > > >

> > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to your name,

Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th

> > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS are

publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is disgusting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > =========================== ==

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to post here :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this prediction,

but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those who have too much

SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning their ill-founded SANTOSH.

Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH. SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on

true findings and not on blind support to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting for a few who

value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole aim is to LEAVE my works

for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to others. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my mails which are

WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or Mercury being in 5th,

6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is impossible). If you have SANTOSH with

such interpolated verses, let me remain a confused persons intent upon confusing

others.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > ============================ ===

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post here with

modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and particularly BPHS, i.e.,

modifications!), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more confusion in Jyotish

in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by snapping your magical

fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited breath!!

> > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can change!

> > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction and prove me

wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted earlier!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that insist on

shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used feline barking

instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year prophesy which

prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > =========================== ======

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine reference, " Vinay Jha "

jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to nomenclature has been

introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly jyotishi on this forum) but a

Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha or jupiter)

but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and abilities to climb up a

tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is difficult to use the

sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be capable of doing just that!

Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY where PRODIGAL

SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing that. I am not

returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the requirements for public

discourse, which some professional astrologers lack. Those who do not want to

test my free software should forget me, at least for ten years (according to

you) after which it will be clear who is really confused.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views must be confused

with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed gurus. The first line of

sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and

Tapasvis can never access or even respect true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge

of such professionals goes in vain. They know they are not predicting perfectly,

but they cannot accept it publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made

by them were wrong ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== ============

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree, just as you tried

to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role in jyotish

stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the thread-header because

it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of lightning of TRUTH that

struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing the thread,

the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from adding any positive

content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics of Jyotisha and

needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the thread-header because

it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of lightning of TRUTH that

struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter and from time

to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives and rules from!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay attention to

those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter is placed in! That is --

if you are the type that is overly obsessed with your personal horoscope, as

most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets (lights,

bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather clearly laid out mandates

in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that show up in

holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going through in this very

time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA is on to a new

height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

> >

>

March 29, 2010

Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers are

introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

" Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

Dvi-chatvaarimshad-bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|| "

out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions including

that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

Navaamshesha-dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha-dashaa. They are drawn

according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha

deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason and

his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or earlier

editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1 chart.

For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its position in

D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

developers have given such options for experimentation. But there is no

canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software for the

sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has aspects

of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions

in other vargas.

Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

hypotheses among proven theories.

Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years you

will shed off many of such confusions.

Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended to

offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted in the

name of seniority in age.

-VJ

============================== ===

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in

other vargas ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> >

> > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have no

time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> >

> > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " ) as

you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made

such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such things.

The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting " person

and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be parked

off together with that person.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ======================================== ====

> > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr RR Ji,

> > >

> > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long

have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne time to

solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from many

other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you but

mere 'guththies'!!

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ================= ===

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have and

which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next sloka!

> > > >

> > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park or

defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the person

standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners without

going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return to

the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to tackle it.

> > > >

> > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > > >

> > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone MUST

try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting, Venus

or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to expose such

interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS to

the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my

persona??

> > > > >

> > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing me

, and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet your

Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > >

> > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in 5th,

6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but the

opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS

comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea which

prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the meaning of

Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or for me

(it is not my wish).

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============================= ==

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that dissolves

away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and promise

that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished upon

you!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to your

name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th,

8th, 9th

> > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS are

publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is disgusting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > =========================== ==

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to post

here :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this

prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those who

have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning their

ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind support

to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting for

a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole aim is

to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

others. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my mails

which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses, let me

remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > ============================ ===

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post here

with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and particularly

BPHS, i.e., modifications!), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more confusion

in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by snapping

your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited

breath!!

> > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can change!

> > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction and

prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted earlier!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that insist

on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

<vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used feline

barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year

prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > =========================== ======

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine reference,

" Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly

jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha or

jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is difficult

to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be capable

of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY where

PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing that.

I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the requirements

for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack. Those

who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at least for

ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is really

confused.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views must

be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed gurus.

The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even respect

true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in vain.

They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot accept it

publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were wrong

???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== ============

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree, just as

you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role in

jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the thread-header

because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of lightning

of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing the

thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics of

Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were

paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter and

from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives and

rules from!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay

attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter is

placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed with

your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets

(lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather clearly

laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that show

up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going through in

this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA is on

to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 29, 2010

" Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

hypotheses among proven theories.

Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha... "

My point exactly, Professor_sahib! ;-)

RR_,

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

>

> You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

> contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

>

> Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

> deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers are

> introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

> Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

>

> " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> Dvi-chatvaarimshad-bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|| "

>

> out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

> remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions including

> that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> Navaamshesha-dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha-dashaa. They are drawn

> according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha

> deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason and

> his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or earlier

> editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

>

> Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1 chart.

> For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its position in

> D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

> kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

> developers have given such options for experimentation. But there is no

> canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

>

> I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software for the

> sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has aspects

> of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions

> in other vargas.

>

> Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> hypotheses among proven theories.

>

> Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years you

> will shed off many of such confusions.

>

> Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended to

> offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted in the

> name of seniority in age.

>

> -VJ

> ============================== ===

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in

> other vargas ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > >

> > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

> variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have no

> time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

> someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > >

> > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " ) as

> you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made

> such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such things.

> The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting " person

> and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be parked

> off together with that person.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ======================================== ====

> > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long

> have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne time to

> solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from many

> other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you but

> mere 'guththies'!!

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ================= ===

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have and

> which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next sloka!

> > > > >

> > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park or

> defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the person

> standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners without

> going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return to

> the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to tackle it.

> > > > >

> > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > >

> > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone MUST

> try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting, Venus

> or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to expose such

> interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS to

> the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my

> persona??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing me

> , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet your

> Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in 5th,

> 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but the

> opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS

> comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea which

> prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

> Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

> vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the meaning of

> Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

> personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or for me

> (it is not my wish).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ============================= ==

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that dissolves

> away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and promise

> that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished upon

> you!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to your

> name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " VJha "

> <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th,

> 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS are

> publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is disgusting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > =========================== ==

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to post

> here :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this

> prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those who

> have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning their

> ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

> SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind support

> to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting for

> a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole aim is

> to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the right.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> others. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my mails

> which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

> Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses, let me

> remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > ============================ ===

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post here

> with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and particularly

> BPHS, i.e., modifications!), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more confusion

> in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by snapping

> your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited

> breath!!

> > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can change!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction and

> prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted earlier!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that insist

> on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used feline

> barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year

> prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > =========================== ======

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine reference,

> " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly

> jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha or

> jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is difficult

> to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be capable

> of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY where

> PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing that.

> I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the requirements

> for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack. Those

> who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at least for

> ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is really

> confused.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views must

> be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed gurus.

> The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

> Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even respect

> true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in vain.

> They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot accept it

> publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were wrong

> ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== ============

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree, just as

> you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role in

> jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the thread-header

> because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of lightning

> of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing the

> thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

> adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics of

> Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

> bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were

> paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter and

> from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives and

> rules from!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay

> attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter is

> placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed with

> your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets

> (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather clearly

> laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that show

> up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going through in

> this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA is on

> to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 29, 2010

Sir,

I never served any college or university as its staff, and I never took any

salary or fees for my classes. Sometimes I am invited to teach, but that does

not make me a professor. I am a freelancer Ramataa Jogi Bahataa Paani, with

kitchen-library(mostly digital)-bed-etc in my small vehicle.

I am sure you are SINCERELY mistaken about me and are not deliberately leveling

charges of adding confusions. The reason behind your misconception about me is

not in my " erroneous ideas " which you never tried to prove wrong before

discarding, but in your horoscope which prevents you from getting a perfect tool

of astrology. I am in no need of getting any approval from anyone, hence I do

not care what is in my horoscope.

I know your ideas about Jyotisha. Logic has a limit, which you cross in the

domain of Jyotisha. Absolute Faith in Veda and Vedanga is indespensable for

using my software properly, but such a faith can be obtained only through

Tapasyaa & c and not through any blind conviction. Hence, my software will never

become popular among the mainstream astrologer, which is what God and Rishis

wanted. Why the undeserving majority should get any perfect software of Jyotisha

??

Many astrologers are offended by my use of the term " perfect " . I am not

perfect. You have more experience of Phalita than me, perhaps. Phalita is more

difficult than Ganita (Siddhanta). But if Ganita is not according to what sages

prescribed then Phalita will never work properly. And the Ganita my software

offers is PERFECT. It is perfect not because of any mathematical or astrologicL

merit in me, but because it is based on some ancient principles which are fully

in harmony with Phalita of sages.

Installation problem is not in my control. It is not due to any bug in

programming, but due to obsolete version of software making Visual Basic and old

WindowsXP on my machine. I am not able to get licensed versions of latest

Windows and VB at company prices in Bihar or Varanasi. I will have to go to

Delhi office of Microsoft.

-VJ

=============================== ===

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> " Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> hypotheses among proven theories.

>

> Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha... "

>

> My point exactly, Professor_sahib! ;-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

> >

> > You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

> > contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

> > instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

> >

> > Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

> > deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers are

> > introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

> > Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

> >

> > " Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

> > Dvi-chatvaarimshad-bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah|| "

> >

> > out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

> > remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

> > varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions including

> > that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

> > Navaamshesha-dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha-dashaa. They are drawn

> > according to planetary positions in D1 and not in D9. Pt Sitaram Jha

> > deleted these verses from BPHS without even putting forth any reason and

> > his followers did not even bother to consult the manuscripts or earlier

> > editions. That is why you do not know these little known dashaas.

> >

> > Vimshottari and related dashaas are computed from True Moon of D1 chart.

> > For computing Navaamsha-dashaa, you compute Moon from its position in

> > D9, which is evident from your logic ( " What is obviously an error in

> > kshetra can become a possibility in other vargas " ). Some software

> > developers have given such options for experimentation. But there is no

> > canonical reference for such a method of dashaa computation.

> >

> > I gave the option of aspect-table for all varfgas in my software for the

> > sake of experimentation, but my experience is that only D1 has aspects

> > of planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their positions

> > in other vargas.

> >

> > Experimentation of new hypotheses is a good thing, but before the

> > results of such experiments are established, you cannot classify

> > hypotheses among proven theories.

> >

> > Please do not add confusions into Jyotisha. During next ten years you

> > will shed off many of such confusions.

> >

> > Disgusting ? Dada, please do not feel offended. I never intended to

> > offend you. But rules of Jyotisha cannot be allowed to be twisted in the

> > name of seniority in age.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============================== ===

> > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > What is obviously an error in kshetra can become a possibility in

> > other vargas ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Rohiniranjan Jee,

> > > >

> > > > If BPHS contains some spurious interpolation and if there are

> > variants of BPHS which lack those spurious verses, and if you have no

> > time to resolve such issues, why it is so " disgusting " to you if

> > someone wants to work on issues you have long " parked off " ??

> > > >

> > > > Mercury in 6th or 8th house from Sun is not a puzzle ( " gutthie " ) as

> > you say, but an error. And a sage like Parashara could not have made

> > such an obvious mistake. Such verses are not gutthies but

> > interpolations. You are not a novice in jyotisha to be told such things.

> > The reason is that these observations came from a " disgusting " person

> > and therefore these observations must be disgusting and must be parked

> > off together with that person.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ======================================== ====

> > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Having worked in Jyotisha for over three decades, for how long

> > have you " parked " these guththies?? And when you will have somne time to

> > solve them? Verses which are explicitly wrong and are absent from many

> > other manuscripts and publications are not interpolations for you but

> > mere 'guththies'!!

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ================= ===

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Vinay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I run into this kind of situation that you obviously have and

> > which caused you such great anguish -- I will move on to the next sloka!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We normal worldly people who live in the real world have

> > developed a useful strategy! It is called parking! We manage to park or

> > defer certain thing without ending up pulling our hair or of the person

> > standing next to us! We learn to put things on back burners without

> > going into a tizzy or stroke and move on with life and then return to

> > the 'guththie' later on when we have the time and patience to tackle it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In worldly/grihastha REALITY, it is called REPRIORITISATION!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Living in the WORLDLY REALITY has its benefits! Everyone MUST

> > try it at least once! Good for spiritual practice!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You refused to answer my remark : " What is disgusting, Venus

> > or Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun as some

> > wrongheaded editors of BPHS are publishing, or my efforts to expose such

> > interpolations in BPHS ?? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not me but you who are reducing a discussion on BPHS to

> > the level of personal Ego. Why it is important for you to discuss my

> > persona??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You expelled me from your own forum without even informing me

> > , and now you are asking me to keep away from internet. Is internet your

> > Jagir? If I am in the wrong, TIME will decide it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If some editors of BPHS are publishing " Mercury being in 5th,

> > 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun " , you should be angry with them, but the

> > opposite is happening. I put forth the idea of a new edition of BPHS

> > comprising of all existing variants. What was wrong with this idea which

> > prompted you to ask me to leave jyotisha and internet??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You do not know the meaning of 'Vinay'. It does not mean

> > Vinamrataa, as some schoolteachers wrongly teach. It is made up of

> > vi+naya, the latter from the root NEE (to lead). Same is the meaning of

> > Vinaayaka. Vinaayaka and Vinay do not need votes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, I think if you refrain from diverting the thread to

> > personal remarks, everything will be OK. If you hate to discuss

> > astrology with me, please keep away from threads started by me or for me

> > (it is not my wish).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ============================= ==

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Haha! Couldn't stay away, eh?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another promise made publicly and broken within seconds?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think you think too much about " I " and once that dissolves

> > away completely, you will begin to truly live up to the name and promise

> > that your parents or whosoever gave you your beautiful name wished upon

> > you!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You may find it strange but when you really live up to your

> > name, Vinay, I will shed a happy tear!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is disgusting, " Venus or Mercury being in 5th, 6th,

> > 8th, 9th

> > > > > > > > > houses from Sun " as some wrongheaded editors of BPHS are

> > publishing, or my efforts to expose such interpolations in BPHS ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think it is my presence in internet which is disgusting.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > =========================== ==

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Disgusting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here is my answer there which you neglected to post

> > here :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " I approve your prediction, Da. I myself made this

> > prediction, but not in my name, in a message to PVR recently. Those who

> > have too much SANTOSH will be confounded with confusion concerning their

> > ill-founded SANTOSH. Refusal to discuss confusions is not SANTOSH.

> > SANTOSH, in Jyotish, is based on true findings and not on blind support

> > to wrong ideas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > TRUTH cannot be established in Kaliyuga, excepting for

> > a few who value Truth. I have no desire to change others. My sole aim is

> > to LEAVE my works for posterity. TIME will decide who is in the right.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack SANTOSH should not preach it to

> > others. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You must have read portions of BPHS cited in my mails

> > which are WRONG (eg, AD of Mercury and Venus in Sun's MD, Venus or

> > Mercury being in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th houses from Sun, which is

> > impossible). If you have SANTOSH with such interpolated verses, let me

> > remain a confused persons intent upon confusing others.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > ============================ ===

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And since you (Mr. " Vinay Jha " ) chose to X-post here

> > with modifications (the bane that has plagued Jyotish and particularly

> > BPHS, i.e., modifications!), this is what I posted on VA forum

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > > > 119158 in VA forum

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Here is a prediction I will make publicly!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " You will simply continue to create more confusion

> > in Jyotish in the near future (10 years...!)! "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can prove me wrong just by snapping

> > your magical fingers -- readily! Please do so, we await with baited

> > breath!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prediction Mr. " Vinay Jha " , not prophesy!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictions are nudges that free-will can change!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophecies are more atal!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU have in your power to change my prediction and

> > prove me wrong! Just as I stated on the forum where I posted earlier!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are one of those weak ones that insist

> > on shooting the messanger just because it is possible! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha "

> > <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not the first time you have used feline

> > barking instead of canine. I knew the meaning. It was your ten year

> > prophesy which prompted me to change the bark.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========================== ======

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barking up a tree is not a canine reference,

> > " Vinay Jha " jee (I use the quotation marks because a doubt as to

> > nomenclature has been introduced by a senior and obviously scholarly

> > jyotishi on this forum) but a Feline one!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a dog barking (using sound or akaasha or

> > jupiter) but a cat (big or small) who uses Her tactile sense and

> > abilities to climb up a tree utilizing the BARK!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet fora like these, it is difficult

> > to use the sound or touch naturally, but some of us seem to be capable

> > of doing just that! Getting someone's ear and even touching someone!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazing, isn't it? This worldly REALITY where

> > PRODIGAL SONS keep returning back to -- helplessly? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr RR Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know where to " bark " , and I am doing that.

> > I am not returning the compliment. I have no desire to bark at you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think civility is one of the requirements

> > for public discourse, which some professional astrologers lack. Those

> > who do not want to test my free software should forget me, at least for

> > ten years (according to you) after which it will be clear who is really

> > confused.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People contented with erroneous views must

> > be confused with ideas not taught to them by their wrong-headed gurus.

> > The first line of sandhyaa-vandana is " Rta and Sat is generated by

> > Tapa " . Those who hate Tapa and Tapasvis can never access or even respect

> > true Jyotisha. All bookish knowledge of such professionals goes in vain.

> > They know they are not predicting perfectly, but they cannot accept it

> > publicly. How can they admit all the horoscopes made by them were wrong

> > ???

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== ============

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear " Vinay Jha " jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are barking up the wrong tree, just as

> > you tried to do on VA forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My public prediction about your role in

> > jyotish stands for the next ten years! As posted in that forum!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the thread-header

> > because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant bolts of lightning

> > of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were paying attention!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, instead of discussing the

> > thread, the topic was diverted to sabre-rattling. I refrained from

> > adding any positive content because no one was serious.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD is among least explored topics of

> > Jyotisha and needs more attention than we give.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ===

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am leaving untouched the

> > thread-header because it was one of those rare and rather brilliant

> > bolts of lightning of TRUTH that struck the jyotish forum, if we were

> > paying attention! ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THOR is the Greek name for Jupiter and

> > from time to time he strikes from the Mount Olympia where He lives and

> > rules from!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when thunder-bolts arrive, pay

> > attention to those and let those emanate from wherever your jupiter is

> > placed in! That is -- if you are the type that is overly obsessed with

> > your personal horoscope, as most seem to be! Tut tut!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And accordingly, the other planets

> > (lights, bodies and shadows!) as well according to their rather clearly

> > laid out mandates in jyotish scriptures!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While avoiding the 'fitnaas' that show

> > up in holy garbs! Look what Christianity and Vatican is going through in

> > this very time of current transits!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's medical bill passed! USA is on

> > to a new height of democracy!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

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March 29, 2010

Dear Shri Vinay Ji,

Both issues highlighted are most relevent and appropriate.Vimshottari dasha

rules based on moon position are applied from Natal Chart.

To work out Navamsha dashas based on moon position in Navmsha need some

theoritical base.Even if some body wants to work out Navamsha dasas,the

procedure approach and purpose should clealy be defined.

As of now ,Navmsha dasa js of no relevance.Some academic discussion based on

some reference at some point of time becomes half baked thought

1.//Dashaas of other vargas cannot bededuced according to the guidelines for

D1//

2.ASpects many Astrologers hold relevent with refernce to Natal Chart positions

only.Recently some body said in Phal Deepika Chapter 7 reference to aspects in

varga charts too was cited.Even after reading those verses Iam not convinced it

is relevent to consider aspects in varga chart.Infact varga charts are

derivatives of orignal lagna chart.It is noncontroversial:my experience is that

only D1 has aspectsof planets, aspects of planets cannot be computed from their

positions in other vargas.

3.As far as seeking views for firming up of thoughts/ideas,it is fine.However

individuals may hold their own contentions till some thing is finally made clear

and verfiable.It is also true that it is not correct to twist original rules and

apply them.

VattemKrishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

--- On Sun, 3/28/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

VJha <vinayjhaa16

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:42 PM

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Shri Rohiniranjan Bose Saheb,

You forget the point I raised earlier : only those editions of BPHS

contain these verses which were influenced by Sitaram Jha. For

instance, Bombay Edition (Khemraj) lacks these spurious verses.

Another point is more important : Dashaas of other vargas cannot be

deduced according to the guidelines for D1. Some modern researchers are

introducing their own concepts into Paaraashari scheme. 42 types of

Dashaas were mentioned by Sage Parashara :

" Sandhyaa-dashaa cha jnaatavyaa paachakaa cha dashaa dvija ||

Dvi-chatvaarimshad- bhedaah syuh kathayaami tavaagratah| | "

out of which later editions mention only 28 and do not even name the

remaining 14 types of dashaas. But one publication mentions nine

varieties of Nava-Dashaa, which are absent in later editions including

that of Pt Sitaram Jha. Of these nine types, two belong to D9 :

Navaamshesha- dashaa and Navam-Navaamshesha- dashaa. They are drawn