Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

March 7, 2010

Dear Sir ji; Pt. Chandra Munni Pathak has an interesting

note in his commentary on

lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as

such in Romanised Hindi;

" " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se

sambhandhit

nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi

prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun

kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai " .

Regards

Kulbir Bains

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

VJha <vinayjhaa16

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 4:41 AM

Â

Krishnan Ji,

I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote

place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking

too much time.

Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love

since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago

when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

Suryasiddhanta.

The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the

worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World population

will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi

of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi.

This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

-VJ

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March 8, 2010

Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

You wrote :

<<<

Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

" Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

your argument? That would support what you are saying.

>>>

You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya). Please read it.

Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

collection of various variants of BPHS.

I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

free to find additional sins in me.

You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

-VJ

================ ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Vinayji,

>

> I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

>

> I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

mail to RC you also said

> " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

results are about MD. "

>

> So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

work on part of Sitaram Jha?

>

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

" Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

your argument? That would support what you are saying.

>

> I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

relevance here.

>

> You have still not answered my original question of variation of

antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

" 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

saying?

>

> I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

reason to distort anyone's statements.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

wrote

> :

>

> <<<

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

" antardashaa " .

> The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

verses

> written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

felt

> that the topic was on AD.

> >>>

>

> I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

" rightly "

> and tried to distort my statement.

>

> Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

" editor " .

> Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> " Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> " Kaalachakra-dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

as

> AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

PrD.

> In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

deduced

> according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> must be lower periods. In the chapter

" Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya "

> which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> " Kaalachakra-antardashaa-phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

twelve

> raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

take it

> for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

for

> raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

so,

> the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> beginning of this chapter.

>

> My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

when

> you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

one's

> aim.

>

> Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

I

> had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

email

> ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

under

> the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

copied

> parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

any

> discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

of

> my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

of

> Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

BPHS

> gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi-2 was missing in

> BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

be

> reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

Since

> the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi-2 (10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3), I gave

an

> example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

will be

> twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

to

> clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

of

> all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

basic

> scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

to

> prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi-2 :

> 10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

and

> against Sri Jyoti Star.

>

> -VJ

> ================= ====

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

on

> lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

read

> out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

are

> mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

specifically

> said that BPHS does not have them.

> >

> > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

of

> antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

verse

> at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

bhaume---- "

> is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> >

> > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

what

> he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

to

> be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

scheme.

> But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

KCD'S

> Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

> >

> > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

deduced

> likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

have

> Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

:

> 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> >

> > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

dasha

> order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> 4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

follows

> the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

Parashara

> told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> working

> > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

of

> > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> >

> > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> " Please

> > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> dasa

> > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

elucidation

> of

> > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> article

> > properly.

> >

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> up

> > this point, but you helped him out.

> >

> > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

KCD.

> PVR

> > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> which I

> > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> the

> > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> notice,

> > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > Kundalee Software.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ================ ===

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> BPHS

> > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > >

> > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> sure

> > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > >

> > > So RC ji is right.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > > To RCS :

> > >

> > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

those

> > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

you

> move

> > to next Sequence " .

> > >

> > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> has

> > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

is

> > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > >

> > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> Jeeva

> > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

alone. "

> > >

> > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

AD

> in

> > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

right

> of

> > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> 37

> > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> These

> > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

we

> may

> > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

of

> > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

read

> > properly.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ===================== ===

> > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > >

> > > , " R C Srivastava "

> swami.rcs@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > Sequence

> > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> Stanza

> > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

AD

> is

> > very important.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RCS

> > > >

> > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > >

> > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > >

March 8, 2010

<<<

You are right there are basically three Gatis, but now it seems people

are inventing more gatis or giving the old ones new names.

>>>

This sentence is clearly against me, because I wrote that only the

negative Gatis are mentioned in BPHS and positive Gatis are not named.

It is not my invention, as Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma falsely charges.

He says " I began penning a book on it (KCD) " but seems to be ignorant of

the fact that all three gatis mentined in BPHS are bad, but many people

have good phases in their lives too. Secondly, BPHS gives many sequences

such as 1,2,3,.... which do not come under either of mandooki, markati

or simhaavalokana. Hence, there must be more than three gatis and any

additional gati must be benefic. Only malefic Durgatis are mentioned in

BPHS (as gatis).

Mr Chandrashekhar Sharma claims to an expert on KCD but is ignorant of

this fact as well as of other facts. Recently he refused to accept that

KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari and asked me to show

the verse. The verse is " ...Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam

syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88 in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya). "

I never wrote any independent article of KCD. Recently, I saw a debate

between Mr Sanjay Rath and PVR Narasimha Rao. I found PVR to correct on

one point. I wrote something to PVR on that point, and pasted my answer

on my website too. It was not a comprehensive article on KCD. On AD, I

did not give any detailed analysis, but only some brief comments on the

topic which PVR and Mr Rath were discussing. I think there is no need of

any new article on KCD because Phaladeepikaa has elaborated it

beautifully. Some astrologers are creating unncessary controversies

about KCD. Phaladeepikaa is based on BPHS and Chandrashekhar Ji has not

read some important editions of BPHS (cf. " ...Vimshottariva

raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " ).

-VJ

============= ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnan,

>

> I think there is more confusion about Kalchakra dasha than any other

dasha simply because though it is called as one of the important dashas,

people tend to find more than what is there in it. You are right there

are basically three Gatis, but now it seems people are inventing more

gatis or giving the old ones new names. That is good to see in print but

I doubt if it helps.

>

> People tend to argue more about what is right than taking pains to

read that which is clearly stated. The use of the dasha is simple if one

understands it right.

>

> As a matter of fact I began penning a book on it, and it is half

complete but since I am at present translating one of my own books under

direction from Mahamandaleshwar of a respected Akhada, that has taken a

back seat.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> Vattem Krishnan

>

> Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:55 PM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Dear Sir,

> 1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and

also on DEHA and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is

there.Further nakshtra pada also decides commencement of Dasa .For ex

bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned by Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as

antar dasa also floows same order working out paramyu as 86yrs.

> 2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based

Kalchakradasa.But some how the working out of dasa of KCD has three

methods as explained by BVR in his book.

> It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences.Like

wise application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some

opine if venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

> In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct

steps.1.Mandooka2.Markata and 3.Simhavalokana,keeping basically svaya

and apasavya clasification of Nakshtras.

> 3.//4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per

KCD scheme this is Correct.

> 4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems

to be typographical mistake.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:10 PM

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on

lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read

out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are

mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you specifically

said that BPHS does not have them.

>

> You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of

antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the verse

at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- "

is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

>

> Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what

he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to

be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme.

But then I see you have given something called

>

> Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

deduced likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha

will have Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in

Karka : 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

>

> May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha

order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows

the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner Parashara

told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

>

> Regards,

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

>

> VJha

>

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

>

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> Without reading my article in which I described the method of

working

>

> out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

>

> making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

>

> RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

" Please

>

> educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

dasa

>

> once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

>

> replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

of

>

> those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

>

> point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

article

>

> properly.

>

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

" antardashaa " .

>

> The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

verses

>

> written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

felt

>

> that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

up

>

> this point, but you helped him out.

>

> Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD.

PVR

>

> Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

which I

>

> provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

the

>

> original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

notice,

>

> including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

>

> Kundalee Software.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ==== ===

>

> , " Chandrashekhar "

>

> <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Vinay,

>

> >

>

> > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

>

> mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

BPHS

>

> has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> >

>

> > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

>

> kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

sure

>

> you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

>

> >

>

> > So RC ji is right.

>

> >

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Chandrashekhar.

>

> > -

>

> > VJha

>

> >

>

> > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

>

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To RCS :

>

> >

>

> > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

>

> very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you

move

>

> to next Sequence " .

>

> >

>

> > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

has

>

> already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

>

> Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

>

> comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

>

> Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

is

>

> seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> >

>

> > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

Jeeva

>

> and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

>

> >

>

> > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

in

>

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

of

>

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

37

>

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

These

>

> results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we

may

>

> assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

>

> computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

>

> properly.

>

> >

>

> > -VJ

>

> > ============ ========= ===

>

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

>

> >

>

> > , " R C Srivastava "

swami.rcs@

>

> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear VJ,

>

> > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

>

> > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

>

> Sequence

>

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

>

> > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

Stanza

>

> > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD

is

>

> very important.

>

> > > With regards.

>

> > > RCS

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

>

> > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

>

> > >

>

> > > To All :

>

> > >

>

> > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> > >

>

> > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> > >

>

> > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

>

> >

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> >

March 8, 2010

Dear Vinayji,

You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal. Was it

not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I had given

the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the sudden

quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are quoting does

not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari

dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta Pathaka

one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that everybody

other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in existence.

You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written, whereas

I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the original

thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but Sitaram

Jha only deduced so.

I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that gives

Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar

-

VJha

Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM