Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

[Guest guest]

5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many

jyotishis ;-)

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Santosh Ji,

> " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in

solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has

impact space as measuting units.

> Scientifically,interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his

explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased

many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house

of ant person.

> Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.As per

prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was

possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man

can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha

Yogas.

> Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature

alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get

reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in

litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry.

> Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga

and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from

Parabhava.The cycles continues.

> Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination.need to

admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature.

> A good explanation and I concur with views. 

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

>

>

> Santhosh <santhosh10

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear krishnan ji,

>

> yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery

but nevertheless  interesting.

>

> Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

> This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by

about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth,

2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the

present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately 

adjusted .

> now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be

somehow related to this?

> this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long

long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable

on our fingers....

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Santosh Ji

> If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an

issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

>

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnan ji,

>

> can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the

above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Sir,

> Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

> Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

>  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to

the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

>

> Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnanji,

>

> The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> cases.

>

> Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

> On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > fulfil one'e ambition

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > >

> > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > >

> > > " Unwritten "

> > >

> > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > >

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear krishnanji,

I am sorry i troubled you to search for all those interesting details. Thanks a

lot.

From my mail you will see that the period when earth had just 5hours per day,

for instance was many many years than the yuga beginning indicated in your

email. The rate of increase in day is just a small fraction of a second every

century. Hence, not something one will notice in a life time.

Moreover all our scriptures talk only about 24hrs a day. Hence, reason that our

ancients lived for so long could be only what you have given in your mail.....or

they should have lived on another bhumi somewhere else where the planet could

have had a quicker motion and so the duration of a year was shorter.

Thanks

Santhosh

 

Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:28:52

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Santosh Ji,

" The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in

solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has

impact space as measuting units.

Scientifically,interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his

explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased

many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house

of ant person.

Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.As per

prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was

possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man

can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha

Yogas.

Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature

alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get

reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in

litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry.

Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga

and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from

Parabhava.The cycles continues.

Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination.need to

admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature.

A good explanation and I concur with views. 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

 

 

Santhosh <santhosh10

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear krishnan ji,

 

yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery

but nevertheless  interesting.

 

Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about

1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth,

2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the

present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately 

adjusted .

now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science,

during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man

existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more

than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour

day.

we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be

somehow related to this?

this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long

long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable

on our fingers....

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

Santosh Ji

If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an

issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

 

Santhosh <santhosh10>

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan ji,

 

can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the

above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

 

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

Sir,

Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

 Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to

the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

 

Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

 

 

 

Dear Krishnanji,

 

The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

cases.

 

Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

 

Best wishes,

Amitabh Shastri

 

On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> finally. It is matter of determination.

> The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> fulfil one'e ambition

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

>

> Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

>

>

>

> " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

> On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> >

> >

> > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> >

> > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> >

> > " Unwritten "

> >

> > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > Staring at the blank page before you

> > Open up the dirty window

> > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > Reaching for something in the distance

> > So close you can almost taste it

> > Release your inhibitions

> > Feel the rain on your skin

> > No one else can feel it for you

> > Only you can let it in

> > No one else, no one else

> > Can speak the words on your lips

> > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > Live your life with arms wide open

> > Today is where your book begins

> > The rest is still unwritten

> > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > Staring at the blank page before you

> > Open up the dirty window

> > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > Reaching for something in the distance

> > So close you can almost taste it

> > Release your inhibitions

> > Feel the rain on your skin

> > No one else can feel it for you

> > Only you can let it in

> > No one else, no one else

> > Can speak the words on your lips

> > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > Live your life with arms wide open

> > Today is where your book begins

> >

> > Feel the rain on your skin

> > No one else can feel it for you

> > Only you can let it in

> > No one else, no one else

> > Can speak the words on your lips

> > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > Live your life with arms wide open

> > Today is where your book begins

> > The rest is still unwritten

> >

> > Staring at the blank page before you

> > Open up the dirty window

> > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> >

> > Reaching for something in the distance

> > So close you can almost taste it

> > Release your inhibitions

> > Feel the rain on your skin

> > No one else can feel it for you

> > Only you can let it in

> > No one else, no one else

> > Can speak the words on your lips

> > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > Live your life with arms wide open

> > Today is where your book begins

> >

> > Feel the rain on your skin

> > No one else can feel it for you

> > Only you can let it in

> > No one else, no one else

> > Can speak the words on your lips

> > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > Live your life with arms wide open

> > Today is where your book begins

> > The rest is still unwritten

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear rohini ji,

I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear

or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only.

Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have

been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second

per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i

guess.

On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our

ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu

of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even

mercury...

Thanks

Santhosh

 

Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is

it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In

other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

 

By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the

abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date

of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

 

You will have to take it from there...

 

RR_,

 

, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear krishnan ji,

>

> yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery

but nevertheless interesting.

>

> Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

> This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by

about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth,

2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the

present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be

somehow related to this?

> this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long

long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable

on our fingers....

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

>

>

>________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Santosh Ji

> If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an

issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

>

> Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnan ji,

>

> can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the

above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

>________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Sir,

> Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

> Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

>  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to

the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

>

> Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnanji,

>

> The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> cases.

>

> Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

> On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > fulfil one'e ambition

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > >

> > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > >

> > > " Unwritten "

> > >

> > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > >

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

 

The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde,

etc ;-)

 

RR

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear rohini ji,

> I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear

or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only.

Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have

been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second

per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i

guess.

> On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When

our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu

ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and

even mercury...

> Thanks

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or

is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In

other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

>

> By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the

abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date

of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

>

> You will have to take it from there...

>

> RR_,

>

> , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear krishnan ji,

> >

> > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> >

> > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

> > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by

about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth,

2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the

present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be

somehow related to this?

> > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a

long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >________________________________

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> >

> > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> >  

> > Santosh Ji

> > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a

an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> >

> > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Krishnan ji,

> >

> > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know

the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> >________________________________

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> >  

> > Sir,

> > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

> > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful

to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Krishnanji,

> >

> > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > cases.

> >

> > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > >

> > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Amitabh Shastri

> > >

> > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > >

> > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > >

> > > > " Unwritten "

> > > >

> > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > >

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > >

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > >

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > >

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

To the Jyotish_Remedy Book Club friends! Happy reading!

 

 

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae695.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration

 

Also browse through:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

 

When the day was 6 hours long, the equatorial velocity of the earth would be

nearly 4000 miles per hour, and presumably it would create turbulent winds and

waters. I am not sure at what point the Coriolis effect becomes incompatible

with life and begins to favour additional movements between the tectonic plates

etc. SCARY THOUGHT!! Good thing, MA DHARTI is slowing down into a peaceful nap

again ;-)

 

RR_,

 

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear krishnanji,

> I am sorry i troubled you to search for all those interesting details. Thanks

a lot.

> From my mail you will see that the period when earth had just 5hours per day,

for instance was many many years than the yuga beginning indicated in your

email. The rate of increase in day is just a small fraction of a second every

century. Hence, not something one will notice in a life time.

> Moreover all our scriptures talk only about 24hrs a day. Hence, reason that

our ancients lived for so long could be only what you have given in your

mail.....or they should have lived on another bhumi somewhere else where the

planet could have had a quicker motion and so the duration of a year was

shorter.

> Thanks

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

> Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:28:52

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Santosh Ji,

> " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in

solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has

impact space as measuting units.

> Scientifically,interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his

explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased

many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house

of ant person.

> Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.As per

prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was

possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man

can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha

Yogas.

> Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature

alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get

reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in

litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry.

> Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga

and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from

Parabhava.The cycles continues.

> Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination.need to

admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature.

> A good explanation and I concur with views. 

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

>

>

> Santhosh <santhosh10

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear krishnan ji,

>

> yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery

but nevertheless  interesting.

>

> Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

> This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by

about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth,

2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the

present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately 

adjusted .

> now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be

somehow related to this?

> this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long

long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable

on our fingers....

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Santosh Ji

> If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an

issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

>

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnan ji,

>

> can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the

above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Sir,

> Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

> Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

>  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to

the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

>

> Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnanji,

>

> The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> cases.

>

> Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

> On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > fulfil one'e ambition

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > >

> > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > >

> > > " Unwritten "

> > >

> > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > >

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No disrespect intended but modern life IS pretty fast-paced by all standards!

 

Have you noticed how the DAY seems so LOOOOOONG when one is bored and has

nothing much to do... :-)

 

The difference between watching a cricket match vs Wrestling!! ;-)

 

Time is relative

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear krishnanji,

> I am sorry i troubled you to search for all those interesting details. Thanks

a lot.

> From my mail you will see that the period when earth had just 5hours per day,

for instance was many many years than the yuga beginning indicated in your

email. The rate of increase in day is just a small fraction of a second every

century. Hence, not something one will notice in a life time.

> Moreover all our scriptures talk only about 24hrs a day. Hence, reason that

our ancients lived for so long could be only what you have given in your

mail.....or they should have lived on another bhumi somewhere else where the

planet could have had a quicker motion and so the duration of a year was

shorter.

> Thanks

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

> Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:28:52

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Santosh Ji,

> " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in

solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has

impact space as measuting units.

> Scientifically,interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his

explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased

many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house

of ant person.

> Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.As per

prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was

possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man

can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha

Yogas.

> Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature

alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get

reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in

litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry.

> Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga

and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from

Parabhava.The cycles continues.

> Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination.need to

admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature.

> A good explanation and I concur with views. 

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

>

>

> Santhosh <santhosh10

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear krishnan ji,

>

> yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery

but nevertheless  interesting.

>

> Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

> This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by

about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth,

2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the

present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately 

adjusted .

> now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be

somehow related to this?

> this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long

long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable

on our fingers....

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Santosh Ji

> If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an

issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

>

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnan ji,

>

> can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the

above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Sir,

> Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

> Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

>  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to

the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

>

> Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

>

>  

>

> Dear Krishnanji,

>

> The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> cases.

>

> Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

>

> Best wishes,

> Amitabh Shastri

>

> On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > fulfil one'e ambition

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > >

> > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > >

> > > " Unwritten "

> > >

> > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > Open up the dirty window

> > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > >

> > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > Release your inhibitions

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > Only you can let it in

> > > No one else, no one else

> > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > Today is where your book begins

> > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Lilly (and other Member_jees),

 

Why do we human beings always 'personify' Gods? Perhaps they were/are very

different beings entirely and neither experience their reality in the same way

as we do. Maybe they have very different senses and sensations and maybe they

THINK and FEEL, presumably they do those -- very differently from how we do! :-)

 

I hope that is not too RADICAL a thought!!

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> After Supreme father plants his seed of knowledge in Brahma MA's buddhi rupi

dharni womb..,BRAH_MA carries with her children in her belly as they breathe,

feed, sleep, and grow from her tube in her belly, and don't see the world

outside from her womb..Than Brahma Ma cuts her umbilical cord from her

nabhi(belly button) and all her children come out and take their first breath

one by one, and be own their own..From there they go to VISHNU's land- of milk

and honey!! There, Vishnu Ji sustains and preserves the universe, and all they

all live happily ever after.. Grand master plan!!

>

> , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> >

> > //i am asking for any proof for it//

> > i meant to say i am NOT asking for any proof.

> > sorry

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Santhosh <santhosh10@>

> >

> > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:29:21 PM

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> >  

> > Dear Krishnan ji,

> >

> > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know

the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> >  

> > Sir,

> > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

> > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..

> >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful

to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Krishnanji,

> >

> > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > cases.

> >

> > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > >

> > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Amitabh Shastri

> > >

> > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > >

> > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > >

> > > > " Unwritten "

> > > >

> > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > >

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > >

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > >

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > >

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this

eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by

rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical

plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the

perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

Regards

Santhosh

 

Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

 

The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde,

etc ;-)

 

RR

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear rohini ji,

> I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear

or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only.

Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have

been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second

per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i

guess.

> On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When

our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu

ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and

even mercury...

> Thanks

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or

is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In

other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

>

> By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the

abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date

of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

>

> You will have to take it from there...

>

> RR_,

>

> , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear krishnan ji,

> >

> > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> >

> > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

> > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by

about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth,

2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the

present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be

somehow related to this?

> > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a

long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >________________________________

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> >

> > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> >  

> > Santosh Ji

> > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a

an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> >

> > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Krishnan ji,

> >

> > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know

the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> >________________________________

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> >  

> > Sir,

> > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person

born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are

not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very

positive frame work.

> > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful

to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote:

> >

> > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> >

> >  

> >

> > Dear Krishnanji,

> >

> > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > cases.

> >

> > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Amitabh Shastri

> >

> > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > >

> > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Amitabh Shastri

> > >

> > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > >

> > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > >

> > > > " Unwritten "

> > > >

> > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > >

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > >

> > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > >

> > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > >

> > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Papa, do you need some time on your own...,

Don't we ALL need some time all alone..?

In our solitude(alone time), delve deep into the ocean(hopefully we know how to

swim, otherwise get a life jacket!) and do some SAGAR MANTHAN!!

There is nothing to fear or hide, just chill in your element..We were already

hear(in MA's womb lying in a seed stage)before entering this MAYA_vi world...All

were just drops of this OCEAN, before!! Safe in your nest, in 'ur sweet, sweet

beloved Big PAPA's home..

Sink deeper, and deeper till you can't swim no more and you will find everything

in this vast OCEAN!!

Diamonds & Pearls, Rubies and all the NAVRATAN's as well as world's Kachra, are

all in the ocean..BUT, only pick what you really want, and need!!

 

Life in this MAYA_vi world will start again, quite INTENSE, but it will all end

in a great SILENCE!!

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Lilly (and other Member_jees),

>

> Why do we human beings always 'personify' Gods? Perhaps they were/are very

different beings entirely and neither experience their reality in the same way

as we do. Maybe they have very different senses and sensations and maybe they

THINK and FEEL, presumably they do those -- very differently from how we do! :-)

>

> I hope that is not too RADICAL a thought!!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > After Supreme father plants his seed of knowledge in Brahma MA's buddhi rupi

dharni womb..,BRAH_MA carries with her children in her belly as they breathe,

feed, sleep, and grow from her tube in her belly, and don't see the world

outside from her womb..Than Brahma Ma cuts her umbilical cord from her

nabhi(belly button) and all her children come out and take their first breath

one by one, and be own their own..From there they go to VISHNU's land- of milk

and honey!! There, Vishnu Ji sustains and preserves the universe, and all they

all live happily ever after.. Grand master plan!!

> >

> > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > >

> > > //i am asking for any proof for it//

> > > i meant to say i am NOT asking for any proof.

> > > sorry

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Santhosh <santhosh10@>

> > >

> > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:29:21 PM

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know

the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > >

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > >

> > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > >  

> > > Sir,

> > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..

> > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful

to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > >

> > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > cases.

> > >

> > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Amitabh Shastri

> > >

> > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > >

> > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > >

> > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > >

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > >

> > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > >

> > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > >

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Beta,

 

When we need time alone, we must enter the space within without fear and with

love and by alone, I mean we must leave the Gods and all other conditioning and

dogmas and biases and desires etc outside the sanctum sanctorum!

 

I am not advising you or anyone else what they must do! I am just sharing what I

do! :-)

 

Works for me!!

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Papa, do you need some time on your own...,

> Don't we ALL need some time all alone..?

> In our solitude(alone time), delve deep into the ocean(hopefully we know how

to swim, otherwise get a life jacket!) and do some SAGAR MANTHAN!!

> There is nothing to fear or hide, just chill in your element..We were

already hear(in MA's womb lying in a seed stage)before entering this MAYA_vi

world...All were just drops of this OCEAN, before!! Safe in your nest, in 'ur

sweet, sweet beloved Big PAPA's home..

> Sink deeper, and deeper till you can't swim no more and you will find

everything in this vast OCEAN!!

> Diamonds & Pearls, Rubies and all the NAVRATAN's as well as world's Kachra,

are all in the ocean..BUT, only pick what you really want, and need!!

>

> Life in this MAYA_vi world will start again, quite INTENSE, but it will all

end in a great SILENCE!!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly (and other Member_jees),

> >

> > Why do we human beings always 'personify' Gods? Perhaps they were/are very

different beings entirely and neither experience their reality in the same way

as we do. Maybe they have very different senses and sensations and maybe they

THINK and FEEL, presumably they do those -- very differently from how we do! :-)

> >

> > I hope that is not too RADICAL a thought!!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > After Supreme father plants his seed of knowledge in Brahma MA's buddhi

rupi dharni womb..,BRAH_MA carries with her children in her belly as they

breathe, feed, sleep, and grow from her tube in her belly, and don't see the

world outside from her womb..Than Brahma Ma cuts her umbilical cord from her

nabhi(belly button) and all her children come out and take their first breath

one by one, and be own their own..From there they go to VISHNU's land- of milk

and honey!! There, Vishnu Ji sustains and preserves the universe, and all they

all live happily ever after.. Grand master plan!!

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > //i am asking for any proof for it//

> > > > i meant to say i am NOT asking for any proof.

> > > > sorry

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:29:21 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..

> > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > >

> > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

 

I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

 

LIGHT: Sun which is a star

light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite

a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors

which we do not need to go into.

 

There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Santhosh,

>

> You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

>

> I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

>

> But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

>

> I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

>

> Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and

local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

>

> If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and

this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> >

> > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > Thanks

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change

or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)?

In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > >

> > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates

the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first

date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > >

> > > You will have to take it from there...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it

be somehow related to this?

> > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes

a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > >

> > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Gurudev,

Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that

Sun and Moon are two luminaries.

Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas.

Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions.

 Regards

Kulbir Bains

-------------.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

 

I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

 

LIGHT: Sun which is a star

light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite

a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors

which we do not need to go into.

 

There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Santhosh,

>

> You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

>

> I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

>

> But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

>

> I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

>

> Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and

local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

>

> If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and

this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > <>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopic al :-)

> >

> > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > Thanks

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > <>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change

or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)?

In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > >

> > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates

the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first

date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > >

> > > You will have to take it from there...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless  interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately  adjusted .

> > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it

be somehow related to this?

> > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes

a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as

Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha

Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is

a Very positive frame work.

> > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

> > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > >

> > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new

> > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > finally. It is matter of determination..

> > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear rohiniji,

That was a phrase.

Your latter understanding is what i meant too. So you feel, the other nodes are

not important because they are not close to earth as moon is.

That could be correct.

on 12 dec 2012 we have a venus eclipse with venus coming exactly in between

earth and sun on earths orbital plane. Dont you think on this day the strength

of venus will be different that on any other day?

If you see the rashi chart of that day, you will see that sun, moon, mercury,

venus and rahu are in scorpio hemmed between mars and saturn in rashis on either

side and aspected by jupiter. Certainly interesting.

Regards

Santhosh

 

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" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:15:52

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Santhosh,

 

You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take

what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

 

I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu

or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already

heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter

and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter)

and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun,

those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes. I

think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

 

But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection

of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

 

I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

 

Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and

local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

 

If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets,

please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

 

RR_,

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and

this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

>

> The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde,

etc ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear rohini ji,

> > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When

our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu

ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and

even mercury...

> > Thanks

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or

is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In

other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> >

> > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates

the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first

date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> >

> > You will have to take it from there...

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > >

> > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the

earth's rate of rotation?

> > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by

about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it

be somehow related to this?

> > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a

long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >________________________________

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > >

> > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > >  

> > > Santosh Ji

> > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the

begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga

and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga

Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga

referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of

SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be

a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know

the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > >

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >________________________________

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > >

> > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > >  

> > > Sir,

> > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be

necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful

to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > >

> > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > cases.

> > >

> > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Amitabh Shastri

> > >

> > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply

> > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are

> > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son

> > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti

> > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > >

> > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > >

> > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > >

> > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way

> > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > >

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > >

> > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > >

> > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > >

> > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear rohiniji,

To your last sentence. Gulikan is a derived by product.

I always thought it referred to one of the real satelites of saturn. Why do you

feel thats not possible?

Regards

Santhosh

 

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" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:30:44

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

 

I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

 

LIGHT: Sun which is a star

light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite

a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors

which we do not need to go into.

 

There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Santhosh,

>

> You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

>

> I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

>

> But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

>

> I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

>

> Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and

local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

>

> If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and

this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> >

> > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > Thanks

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change

or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)?

In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > >

> > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates

the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first

date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > >

> > > You will have to take it from there...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it

be somehow related to this?

> > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes

a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > >

> > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

That is a very deceptive lakshman jhoola to walk on Beti!

 

Mixing Astronomy and Astrology too fluidly and concretely!

 

RR_.

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> But isn't moon originally part of the Ocean, and will merge back where it

really belongs? So much that both attract and repel all activities on this

earth. So would that make moon a samadharis to earth also??

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

> >

> > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

> >

> > LIGHT: Sun which is a star

> > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

> > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

> > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

> >

> > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and

therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is

not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived

byproduct!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Santhosh,

> > >

> > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to

not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck

of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> > >

> > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> > >

> > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> > >

> > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> > >

> > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> > >

> > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we

know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the

maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth,

hence Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> > > >

> > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it

is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will have to take it from there...

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly

reducing the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing

and is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of

day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history

of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day

instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and

theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there

was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man

would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120

years for a 24 hour day.

> > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.

could it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >________________________________

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering

precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was

sharp and has something else to unfold. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >________________________________

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and

compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their

hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so

that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi "

is a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need

not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through

Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > > cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

destiny

> > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates

new

> > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out

look.

> > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

level

> > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp

is

> > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co.

uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process

of

> > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body,

they are

> > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to

be son

> > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well

with

> > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

that if

> > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live

that way

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I did! Read the message again! I was simply saying what I would do in such a

situation and I sounded the caveat too in the original message!

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Who said anything about fear, dogmas, and anyone's religion? Was that even

brought up by anyone or you just have a wild imagination?

>

> Lilly

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Beta,

> >

> > When we need time alone, we must enter the space within without fear and

with love and by alone, I mean we must leave the Gods and all other conditioning

and dogmas and biases and desires etc outside the sanctum sanctorum!

> >

> > I am not advising you or anyone else what they must do! I am just sharing

what I do! :-)

> >

> > Works for me!!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Papa, do you need some time on your own...,

> > > Don't we ALL need some time all alone..?

> > > In our solitude(alone time), delve deep into the ocean(hopefully we know

how to swim, otherwise get a life jacket!) and do some SAGAR MANTHAN!!

> > > There is nothing to fear or hide, just chill in your element..We were

already hear(in MA's womb lying in a seed stage)before entering this MAYA_vi

world...All were just drops of this OCEAN, before!! Safe in your nest, in 'ur

sweet, sweet beloved Big PAPA's home..

> > > Sink deeper, and deeper till you can't swim no more and you will find

everything in this vast OCEAN!!

> > > Diamonds & Pearls, Rubies and all the NAVRATAN's as well as world's

Kachra, are all in the ocean..BUT, only pick what you really want, and need!!

> > >

> > > Life in this MAYA_vi world will start again, quite INTENSE, but it will

all end in a great SILENCE!!

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lilly (and other Member_jees),

> > > >

> > > > Why do we human beings always 'personify' Gods? Perhaps they were/are

very different beings entirely and neither experience their reality in the same

way as we do. Maybe they have very different senses and sensations and maybe

they THINK and FEEL, presumably they do those -- very differently from how we

do! :-)

> > > >

> > > > I hope that is not too RADICAL a thought!!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > After Supreme father plants his seed of knowledge in Brahma MA's

buddhi rupi dharni womb..,BRAH_MA carries with her children in her belly as they

breathe, feed, sleep, and grow from her tube in her belly, and don't see the

world outside from her womb..Than Brahma Ma cuts her umbilical cord from her

nabhi(belly button) and all her children come out and take their first breath

one by one, and be own their own..From there they go to VISHNU's land- of milk

and honey!! There, Vishnu Ji sustains and preserves the universe, and all they

all live happily ever after.. Grand master plan!!

> > > > >

> > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //i am asking for any proof for it//

> > > > > > i meant to say i am NOT asking for any proof.

> > > > > > sorry

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:29:21 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and

compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their

hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so

that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi "

is a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need

not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through

Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..

> > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > > cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

destiny

> > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates

new

> > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out

look.

> > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

level

> > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp

is

> > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co.

uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process

of

> > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body,

they are

> > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to

be son

> > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well

with

> > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

that if

> > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live

that way

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Once again dear Bhrataa jee,

 

It has NOTHING to do with CLOSENESS! But PERSONALNESS! If there is such a word!

 

You live in a foreign land so you should be able to understand from the

following illustration.

 

Let us say someone moves to Sweden from India and experiences a sickness that

brings him to the hospital.

This person has a very close bosom-friend who is one of the best doctors in

India and an expert in the very same malady that the person is experiencing,

through Ma's Grace!

While the Indian Doctor friend remains close and a dear friend, the SWEDISH

doctor becomes more IMMEDIATE and PERSONAL!

 

Rahu and Ketu! Moon is exactly where we ARE, in a given moment just like a

Mother that would never leave us -- in essence -- no matter what! Hence their

importance in Jyotish!

 

Stated another way, MIND is where we always are! It is our one and ONLY I/O

interface in computerspeak!

 

Those who lose it -- look at what happens! They lose themselves!

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear rohiniji,

> That was a phrase.

> Your latter understanding is what i meant too. So you feel, the other nodes

are not important because they are not close to earth as moon is.

> That could be correct.

> on 12 dec 2012 we have a venus eclipse with venus coming exactly in between

earth and sun on earths orbital plane. Dont you think on this day the strength

of venus will be different that on any other day?

> If you see the rashi chart of that day, you will see that sun, moon, mercury,

venus and rahu are in scorpio hemmed between mars and saturn in rashis on either

side and aspected by jupiter. Certainly interesting.

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:15:52

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Santhosh,

>

> You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

>

> I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

>

> But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

>

> I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

>

> Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and

local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

>

> If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and

this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> >

> > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > Thanks

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change

or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)?

In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > >

> > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates

the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first

date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > >

> > > You will have to take it from there...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it

be somehow related to this?

> > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes

a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > >

> > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Because that is not how it is calculated! You should read up on upagrahas. They

are important to know how they are derived and 'arise'!

 

Unless you are referring to some mystical 'essence' of saturn -- which is

another story!

 

RR_,

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear rohiniji,

> To your last sentence. Gulikan is a derived by product.

> I always thought it referred to one of the real satelites of saturn. Why do

you feel thats not possible?

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:30:44

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

>

> I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

>

> LIGHT: Sun which is a star

> light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

> Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

> Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

>

> There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Santhosh,

> >

> > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> >

> > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> >

> > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> >

> > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> >

> > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> >

> > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we

know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > Regards

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya

of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> > >

> > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > >

> > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > >

> > > > You will have to take it from there...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and

is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could

it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >________________________________

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >________________________________

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is

a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that

if

> > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Santosh ji,

 

If I may.

 

The way I get it is that when the Sun goes down, when it is dark, only Moonlight

helped dispel fear and darkness. So Sun and Moon are important.

 

If Sun and Moon get eclipsed, that is a phenomenon that makes a difference

visibly and psychologically too for the earth-dwellers, since this is all so

geocentric.

 

If we are to find out what eclipses the Sun and Moon, we run into the nodes and

hence they are important in the scheme of things too. As experienced from the

earth.

 

It is all about how we experience it from the earth. We do not actually see a

dark shadow covering up Jupiter for a while. Even if it did, we would not notice

it and it would not make any difference to us on earth as we go about our daily

business. Perhaps that is why they are not considered.

 

But this is all conjecture.

 

Regards,

Nandini

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear rohiniji,

> That was a phrase.

> Your latter understanding is what i meant too. So you feel, the other nodes

are not important because they are not close to earth as moon is.

> That could be correct.

> on 12 dec 2012 we have a venus eclipse with venus coming exactly in between

earth and sun on earths orbital plane. Dont you think on this day the strength

of venus will be different that on any other day?

> If you see the rashi chart of that day, you will see that sun, moon, mercury,

venus and rahu are in scorpio hemmed between mars and saturn in rashis on either

side and aspected by jupiter. Certainly interesting.

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:15:52

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Santhosh,

>

> You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

>

> I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

>

> But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

>

> I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

>

> Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and

local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

>

> If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and

this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> >

> > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > Thanks

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change

or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)?

In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > >

> > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates

the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first

date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > >

> > > You will have to take it from there...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it

be somehow related to this?

> > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes

a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > >

> > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

BRILLIANT!

 

You are a natural TEACHER, Nandini ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Dear Santosh ji,

>

> If I may.

>

> The way I get it is that when the Sun goes down, when it is dark, only

Moonlight helped dispel fear and darkness. So Sun and Moon are important.

>

> If Sun and Moon get eclipsed, that is a phenomenon that makes a difference

visibly and psychologically too for the earth-dwellers, since this is all so

geocentric.

>

> If we are to find out what eclipses the Sun and Moon, we run into the nodes

and hence they are important in the scheme of things too. As experienced from

the earth.

>

> It is all about how we experience it from the earth. We do not actually see a

dark shadow covering up Jupiter for a while. Even if it did, we would not notice

it and it would not make any difference to us on earth as we go about our daily

business. Perhaps that is why they are not considered.

>

> But this is all conjecture.

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear rohiniji,

> > That was a phrase.

> > Your latter understanding is what i meant too. So you feel, the other nodes

are not important because they are not close to earth as moon is.

> > That could be correct.

> > on 12 dec 2012 we have a venus eclipse with venus coming exactly in between

earth and sun on earths orbital plane. Dont you think on this day the strength

of venus will be different that on any other day?

> > If you see the rashi chart of that day, you will see that sun, moon,

mercury, venus and rahu are in scorpio hemmed between mars and saturn in rashis

on either side and aspected by jupiter. Certainly interesting.

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:15:52

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Santhosh,

> >

> > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> >

> > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> >

> > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> >

> > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> >

> > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> >

> > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we

know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > Regards

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya

of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> > >

> > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > >

> > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > >

> > > > You will have to take it from there...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and

is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could

it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >________________________________

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >________________________________

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is

a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that

if

> > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear nandiniji,

What was being discussed was nodal points of say, jupiter with respect to earth

plane and hence it is directly related to earth centric perception. Nodes dont

create a shadow on jupiter. The issue of eclipse was a different issue. I gave

an example of venus eclipse and was thinking aloud, since on that days the suns

rays get blocked by venus in some ways if it may be important.

Regards

Santhosh

 

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" nandini " <kakan_leo

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:59:28

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Dear Santosh ji,

 

If I may.

 

The way I get it is that when the Sun goes down, when it is dark, only Moonlight

helped dispel fear and darkness. So Sun and Moon are important.

 

If Sun and Moon get eclipsed, that is a phenomenon that makes a difference

visibly and psychologically too for the earth-dwellers, since this is all so

geocentric.

 

If we are to find out what eclipses the Sun and Moon, we run into the nodes and

hence they are important in the scheme of things too. As experienced from the

earth.

 

It is all about how we experience it from the earth. We do not actually see a

dark shadow covering up Jupiter for a while. Even if it did, we would not notice

it and it would not make any difference to us on earth as we go about our daily

business. Perhaps that is why they are not considered.

 

But this is all conjecture.

 

Regards,

Nandini

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear rohiniji,

> That was a phrase.

> Your latter understanding is what i meant too. So you feel, the other nodes

are not important because they are not close to earth as moon is.

> That could be correct.

> on 12 dec 2012 we have a venus eclipse with venus coming exactly in between

earth and sun on earths orbital plane. Dont you think on this day the strength

of venus will be different that on any other day?

> If you see the rashi chart of that day, you will see that sun, moon, mercury,

venus and rahu are in scorpio hemmed between mars and saturn in rashis on either

side and aspected by jupiter. Certainly interesting.

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:15:52

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Santhosh,

>

> You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

>

> I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

>

> But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

>

> I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

>

> Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and

local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

>

> If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and

this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's

rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we know

the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of

earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> >

> > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > Thanks

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change

or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)?

In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > >

> > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates

the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first

date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > >

> > > You will have to take it from there...

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > >

> > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is

directly proportional to time.

> > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it

be somehow related to this?

> > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes

a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years

countable on our fingers....

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year?

> > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >________________________________

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a

Very positive frame work.

> > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > >

> > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both

> > > > cases.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > >

> > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue

> > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and

> > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with

> > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all

> > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if

> > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also

> > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes that was silly of me to think as saturns satallite. Took the word saniputra

gulikan litrally.

You have now brought in other upagrahs. Literature gives calculations to derive

position of those upagrahas also, each position derived from the other upagraha

position starting from gulikan i think. Can you suggest any literature that

gives the bhavaphalas of upagrahas other than gulikan.

Regards

Santhosh

 

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" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:50:36

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Because that is not how it is calculated! You should read up on upagrahas. They

are important to know how they are derived and 'arise'!

 

Unless you are referring to some mystical 'essence' of saturn -- which is

another story!

 

RR_,

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear rohiniji,

> To your last sentence. Gulikan is a derived by product.

> I always thought it referred to one of the real satelites of saturn. Why do

you feel thats not possible?

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:30:44

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

>

> I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

>

> LIGHT: Sun which is a star

> light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

> Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

> Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

>

> There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Santhosh,

> >

> > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> >

> > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> >

> > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> >

> > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> >

> > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> >

> > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we

know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > Regards

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya

of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> > >

> > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > >

> > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > >

> > > > You will have to take it from there...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and

is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could

it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >________________________________

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >________________________________

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is

a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new

> > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that

if

> > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Santhosh jee,

 

Let us, first of all, lose these meaningless adjectives such as silly, ignorant,

and other destructive terms! Adjectives are very POTENT and can create very

strong amity as well as aNImOSity! I hate both of those polarities! :-(

 

I did not bring in anything -- and not with any intention to 'derail' you if

that is your fear or concern!

 

I have described very clearly in two messages why these nodes of OTHER planets

do not make ANY sense in CORE jyotish and for a very good reason!

 

Western astrologers have at some point gotten very distracted by astreoids and

all 2400+ of those and other techniques back in the 80s and 90s, primarily

because they had the privilege and FIRST DIVVS on Internet!

 

I see the same OCCURING now in JYOTISH!

 

Doodh kaa Jalaa Chaanch ko PHOONK PHOONK kar peetaa hai!

 

We all need to first understand and master the basics before we GLIDE AWAY on

some WHIM or WHIMSICAL IDEA!

 

Respectfully submitted to those who <<CARE TO LISTEN>>!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Yes that was silly of me to think as saturns satallite. Took the word

saniputra gulikan litrally.

> You have now brought in other upagrahs. Literature gives calculations to

derive position of those upagrahas also, each position derived from the other

upagraha position starting from gulikan i think. Can you suggest any literature

that gives the bhavaphalas of upagrahas other than gulikan.

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:50:36

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Because that is not how it is calculated! You should read up on upagrahas.

They are important to know how they are derived and 'arise'!

>

> Unless you are referring to some mystical 'essence' of saturn -- which is

another story!

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear rohiniji,

> > To your last sentence. Gulikan is a derived by product.

> > I always thought it referred to one of the real satelites of saturn. Why do

you feel thats not possible?

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:30:44

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

> >

> > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

> >

> > LIGHT: Sun which is a star

> > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

> > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

> > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

> >

> > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and

therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is

not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived

byproduct!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Santhosh,

> > >

> > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to

not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck

of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> > >

> > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> > >

> > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> > >

> > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> > >

> > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> > >

> > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we

know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the

maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth,

hence Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> > > >

> > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it

is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will have to take it from there...

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly

reducing the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing

and is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of

day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history

of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day

instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and

theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there

was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man

would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120

years for a 24 hour day.

> > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.

could it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >________________________________

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering

precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was

sharp and has something else to unfold. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >________________________________

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and

compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their

hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so

that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi "

is a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need

not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through

Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > > cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

destiny

> > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates

new

> > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out

look.

> > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

level

> > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp

is

> > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co.

uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process

of

> > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body,

they are

> > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to

be son

> > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well

with

> > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

that if

> > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live

that way

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could

....!

 

Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon)

and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record?

 

Akashic record? Perhaps??

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Gurudev,

> Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that

> Sun and Moon are two luminaries.

> Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas.

> Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions.

>  Regards

> Kulbir Bains

> -------------.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

>

> I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

>

> LIGHT: Sun which is a star

> light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

> Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

> Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

>

> There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Santhosh,

> >

> > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> >

> > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> >

> > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> >

> > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> >

> > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> >

> > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we

know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > Regards

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > > <>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya

of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopic al :-)

> > >

> > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > > <>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > >

> > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > >

> > > > You will have to take it from there...

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless  interesting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and

is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately  adjusted .

> > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have

been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for

a 24 hour day.

> > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could

it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as

Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha

Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi "

is a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

> > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new

> > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination..

> > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that

if

> > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear rohiniji,

Actually i myself had wanted to introduce that question on other upagrahas and

was happy that you urself had brought it in so that i was able to ask you what i

wanted to ask.

When there is detailed calculations in the literature for the upagrahas, the

seers should have considered them important. If so they would have given their

bhavaphalas also. Where can i get them?

No i am not worried on the derailment of the topic, as i am almost satisfied

with your earlier reply on nodes of other planets. Thanks for the clarifiction.

These upagrahas cannot be compared to the importance given to astroids by

westerners because the upagrahas have been clearly mentioned in the literature

and we did not invent them in our times.

Regards

Santhosh

 

Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:29:37

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Dear Santhosh jee,

 

Let us, first of all, lose these meaningless adjectives such as silly, ignorant,

and other destructive terms! Adjectives are very POTENT and can create very

strong amity as well as aNImOSity! I hate both of those polarities! :-(

 

I did not bring in anything -- and not with any intention to 'derail' you if

that is your fear or concern!

 

I have described very clearly in two messages why these nodes of OTHER planets

do not make ANY sense in CORE jyotish and for a very good reason!

 

Western astrologers have at some point gotten very distracted by astreoids and

all 2400+ of those and other techniques back in the 80s and 90s, primarily

because they had the privilege and FIRST DIVVS on Internet!

 

I see the same OCCURING now in JYOTISH!

 

Doodh kaa Jalaa Chaanch ko PHOONK PHOONK kar peetaa hai!

 

We all need to first understand and master the basics before we GLIDE AWAY on

some WHIM or WHIMSICAL IDEA!

 

Respectfully submitted to those who <<CARE TO LISTEN>>!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Yes that was silly of me to think as saturns satallite. Took the word

saniputra gulikan litrally.

> You have now brought in other upagrahs. Literature gives calculations to

derive position of those upagrahas also, each position derived from the other

upagraha position starting from gulikan i think. Can you suggest any literature

that gives the bhavaphalas of upagrahas other than gulikan.

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

> Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:50:36

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Because that is not how it is calculated! You should read up on upagrahas.

They are important to know how they are derived and 'arise'!

>

> Unless you are referring to some mystical 'essence' of saturn -- which is

another story!

>

> RR_,

>

> , santhosh10@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear rohiniji,

> > To your last sentence. Gulikan is a derived by product.

> > I always thought it referred to one of the real satelites of saturn. Why do

you feel thats not possible?

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> >

> >

> > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:30:44

> >

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> >

> > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

> >

> > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

> >

> > LIGHT: Sun which is a star

> > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

> > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

> > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

> >

> > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and

therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is

not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived

byproduct!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Santhosh,

> > >

> > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to

not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck

of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> > >

> > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> > >

> > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> > >

> > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> > >

> > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> > >

> > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart. Thereafter, if we

know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the

maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth,

hence Geocentric/geotopical :-)

> > > >

> > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it

is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will have to take it from there...

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand

discovery but nevertheless interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly

reducing the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing

and is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of

day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history

of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day

instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately adjusted .

> > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and

theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there

was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man

would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120

years for a 24 hour day.

> > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.

could it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >________________________________

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali

Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord

of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering

precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was

sharp and has something else to unfold. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10 >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >________________________________

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and

compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their

hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so

that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi "

is a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need

not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through

Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas...

> > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be

grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > > cases.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

destiny

> > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates

new

> > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out

look.

> > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

level

> > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp

is

> > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination.

> > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co.

uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process

of

> > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body,

they are

> > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to

be son

> > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well

with

> > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

that if

> > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live

that way

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

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