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Friday, February 22, 2002 8:34 AM

Greetings

 

 

My name is Tabitha, and I live in Florida I have been studying and

paying serious attention astrology for about 2.5 years now. According

to Tropical Astrology, I am a Leo Sun, Taurus Moon, Scorpio

Ascendant. I became interested in sidereal after doing some research

on the Internet about different systems and disciplines under the

subject umbrella of astrology. I find it quite fascinating and

accurate. I hope to learn more and expand my knowledge during my time

here.

 

Birth Info:

Aug 5 1977

Riverhead, NY, USA

14:27 EDT

 

Thanks for listening,

Tabitha Williams

 

 

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Hello Bonsu ji,

 

KP shares the principles with vedic and western to find our characteristics of any native only difference is the ascendant sub lord, the constellation in which it is posited and the sing in which this constellation lord is posited has been given more importance. Also checking RPs can be useful.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

bonsuboaten <enentehutimenab wrote:

Peace and many blessings to all,I have just discovered this group.I am based in London, England.I have been using and studying KP for a few years now.I am keen to discuss the principles of writing up a natal chart for someone laying out their personality, talents etc. I am also keen to find out what members have found regarding the Road to Success sign.Look forward to hearing from you all,Bonsu

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Hello, Mohish, welcome to the group. If you wanted to, you could share your birth information and maybe some people here could give you some guidance. If you don't want to, that's understandable too. We have some very interesting discussions here.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: GreetingsHi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

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Hi Bettina,

 

Thanks a ton. I would really appreciate if anybody

from the group takes a look at my charts and let me

know of his/her opinions.

 

My date of birth is 23 july,1979.

Place of birth is delhi, India

Time of birth is 3:51 PM.

 

regards,

Mohish

--- Bettina <chiria wrote:

> Hello, Mohish, welcome to the group. If you wanted

> to, you could share your

> birth information and maybe some people here could

> give you some guidance.

> If you don't want to, that's understandable too. We

> have some very

> interesting discussions here.

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

> mohish sharma

> [mohish_thestud]

> Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM

>

> Greetings

>

>

> Hi Everybody,

> I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

> working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

> about

> your group from JyotishRemedies group.

>

> I started taking interest in astrology due to my

> excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

> course of life.I have not had any exposure to

> Western

> astrology.I have been following up some vedic

> astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

> etc

> but still i think i have a long long way to go.

> I have joined the group with the expectation of

> getting the chance to hear from different people

> about

> the different aspects of astrology.

> Regards,

> Mohish

>

>

>

>

>

>

> SBC - Internet access at a great low price.

> http://promo./sbc/

>

>

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In a message dated 5/18/04 1:38:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chiria writes:

 

Hello, Mohish, welcome to the group. If you wanted to, you could share your birth information and maybe some people here could give you some guidance. If you don't want to, that's understandable too. We have some very interesting discussions here.

 

.... Bettina

 

 

Could you do that for me if I give you my birth information?

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Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

.... Bettina

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted.

 

Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: GreetingsHi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

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Hi

Bettina,

 

I

wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It’s

been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a lot of people have

been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took

pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s always

fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I

wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little.

I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me.

Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to.

Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother’s

group to join and collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it

would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for

Mom’s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times

have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep

you jazzed”!!

 

After

you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think

about that. I still don’t have an answer. I need to go back

to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions

to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have

done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in

front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know.

 

The

chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest

to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that

Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it

differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart accurately.

I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant

other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it

would be his significant other that would be troubled with health

matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being

affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring,

possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don’t

believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu

giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries

being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his

attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and

higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC

in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th

hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in

concentration – maybe in health matters or again 9th house

matters.

 

If I

look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being

aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and

MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA

(10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th

hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t

have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not

seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

 

 

Bettina [chiria]

 

Wednesday, May

19, 2004 8:14 PM

 

FW:

Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this

message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with

stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted

it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as

soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have

any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen

this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

Bettina

 

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have

an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in

7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of

health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the

physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me

think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly

took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong

Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th

and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a

dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of

physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at

being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though

you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move

on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a

Saturn / Mars square as " driving a car with the brakes on " . On

the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a

good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and

philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel

more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The

fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the

physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and

support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and

therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of

your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to

have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the

health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches,

conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know

what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved,

but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on

life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration /

pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are

very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were

born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to

you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big

factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can

involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to

the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and

that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for

you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of

nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so,

you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

mohish sharma

[mohish_thestud]

Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33

PM

 

 

Greetings

Hi Everybody,

I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

about

your group from JyotishRemedies group.

 

I started taking interest in astrology due to my

excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

course of life.I have not had any exposure to

Western

astrology.I have been following up some vedic

astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

etc

but still i think i have a long long way to go.

I have joined the group with the expectation of

getting the chance to hear from different people

about

the different aspects of astrology.

Regards,

Mohish

 

 

 

 

SBC - Internet access at a great low price.

http://promo./sbc/

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Hi Deb, glad you're back. Missed you!

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

The Mars could be a relationship thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons bod.

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him through a lot, though.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

Bettina [chiria] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: FW: Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Greetings

Hi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

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Interpetating

houses from whole signs

 

Oh

that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what you mean. Yes,

Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical problems. I was

getting hung up on 7th hse Mars – thinking of others.

Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th meaning

others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th affecting

home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that it’s

the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst (self) and 6th

hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting on others

because of 7th hse others/relationships. I didn’t know

that any planet in 7th meant someone’s body. I thought

opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self. To how

one affects other and ones relationship with others. Also, how someone

else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction. But

yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through body being

represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s medical

problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th

house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars (body)

and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be about self

and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely, Mother caring

or close female relative in 4th caring for and bringing care

and tenderness with 6th from 4th being Cancer and it’s

planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all having planets on angles!

But I am still concerned about 4th hse Aquarius with RA sq 7th

hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th hse Aries sq 9th hse

Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take away reality or would you say Neptune

here with angle with SA and MA drugs or medicine for pain? THANKS what a

difference in interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23,

2004 12:31 AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back.

Missed you!

 

 

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has

physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T

sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost

always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a

major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just

the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and

rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of

the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship

thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons

bod.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him

through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am

now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a

lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active,

transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into

astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to

go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep

my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could

of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby,

long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving

serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and

collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly

in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s

and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have

changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology

“keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I

really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an

answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on

the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning

though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was

unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I

will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has

drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain

further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical

difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am

seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to

do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th

house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be

troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th

house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house

sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child.

(even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th

house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his

career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then

I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters

of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also,

taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse

Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret,

sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or

again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th

hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th

hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected

by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th

hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here.

Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look

forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14

PM

 

FW:

Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this

message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with

stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted

it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon

as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any

reason to read it again.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen

this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

Bettina

 

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have

an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in

7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of

health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the

physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me

think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly

took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong

Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th

and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a

dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of

physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at

being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though

you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move

on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a

Saturn / Mars square as " driving a car with the brakes on " . On

the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a

good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and

philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel

more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The

fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the

physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and

support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and

therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of

your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to

have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the

health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches,

conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know

what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved,

but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life.

It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the

positive / exalted.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are

very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were

born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to

you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big

factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can

involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to

the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and

that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for

you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of

nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so,

you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

mohish sharma

[mohish_thestud]

Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33

PM

 

 

Greetings

Hi

Everybody,

I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

about

your group from JyotishRemedies group.

 

I started taking interest in astrology due to my

excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

course of life.I have not had any exposure to

Western

astrology.I have been following up some vedic

astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

etc

but still i think i have a long long way to go.

I have joined the group with the expectation of

getting the chance to hear from different people

about

the different aspects of astrology.

Regards,

Mohish

 

 

 

 

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Hi

Bettina,

 

Ok,

does the below interpretation of 7th house matters of body refer to Medical

Astrology’s 7th house definition?

 

D

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23,

2004 1:40 AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what

you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical

problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars – thinking

of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th

meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th

affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that

it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst

(self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting

on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I

didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s

body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self.

To how one affects other and ones relationship with others.

Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction.

But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through

body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s

medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th

house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars

(body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be

about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely,

Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and

bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being

Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all

having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse

Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th

hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take

away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or

medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in

interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back.

Missed you!

 

 

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has

physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T

sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost

always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a

major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just

the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and

rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the

picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship

thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons

bod.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him

through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am

now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a

lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active,

transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into

astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to

go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep

my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could

of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby,

long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving

serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and

collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly

in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s

and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have

changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology

“keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I

really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an

answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on

the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning

though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was

unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I

will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has

drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain

further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties.

I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart

accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with

relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th

house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be

troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th

house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house

sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child.

(even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th

house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his

career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self).

Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house

matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also,

taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse

Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret,

sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or

again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th

hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th

hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected

by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th

hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here.

Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look

forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14

PM

 

FW:

Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this message,

I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff

bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as

my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as

I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason

to read it again.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen

this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

Bettina

 

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have

an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in

7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of

health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the

physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that

the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before

birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in

Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury

and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the

difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of

physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at

being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though

you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move

on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a

Saturn / Mars square as " driving a car with the brakes on " . On

the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a

good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and

philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel

more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The

fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the

physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and

support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and

therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of

your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to

have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the

health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional

as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your

health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that

strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's

like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the

positive / exalted.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are

very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were

born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to

you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big

factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can

involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to

the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and

that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for

you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of

nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so,

you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

mohish sharma

[mohish_thestud]

Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33

PM

 

 

Greetings

Hi

Everybody,

I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

about

your group from JyotishRemedies group.

 

I started taking interest in astrology due to my

excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

course of life.I have not had any exposure to

Western

astrology.I have been following up some vedic

astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

etc

but still i think i have a long long way to go.

I have joined the group with the expectation of

getting the chance to hear from different people

about

the different aspects of astrology.

Regards,

Mohish

 

 

 

 

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The opposition from any planet is a major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self). Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

I've noticed in my own transits that planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs. (I'm 5'5" and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc. and I was "attacked" by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my "self". 7th hs Mars was transiting, it was an "other" from where the Mars action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I confronted her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected Mars. That time I also felt "sick", though can't say I had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition, just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house definition?

 

D

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51] Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars – thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst (self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self. To how one affects other and ones relationship with others. Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction. But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars (body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely, Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back. Missed you!

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons bod.

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

Bettina [chiria] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: FW: Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Greetings

Hi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

 

 

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Oh,

Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones too…..

 

I

think you have hit upon a key that I have been missing or struggling with in

interpretations.

How

interesting. Puts a whole new light on things!

 

Time

to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m

curious, with your chart set up, how do you handle the migraine headaches

and food allergies today? Do you have seasonal or year round environmental

allergies too? Do you still feel that the transits affect your health in

this area today? How about the area of where you are living, has it made

a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23,

2004 11:43 PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a

major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self).

Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that

planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few

examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my

desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far behind. During that

time I developed food allergies and got migraines almost any time I ate

anything. I got down to 100 lbs. (I'm 5'5 " and usually weigh

in the 120s). I looked dreadful and didn't feel much better. Through

mecications and figuring out a way of managing my diet I finally got so I

could handle it and gradually got back up to a normal weight.

Another time Mars was stationary on my desc. and I was " attacked " by

a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't like us (my family) and was saying

terrible things about us to other neighbors and turning them against us.

Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so opposing the asc, it was an enemy

attacking my " self " . 7th hs Mars was transiting, it was

an " other " from where the Mars action came. 7th doesn't

just have to do with spouse. I confronted her ... something difficult for

me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected Mars. That time I also

felt " sick " , though can't say I had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr.

definition, just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house

matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house

definition?

 

D

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what

you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical

problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars –

thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th

meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th

affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that

it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst

(self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting

on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I

didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s

body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self.

To how one affects other and ones relationship with others.

Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction.

But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through

body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where

Mohish’s medical problems can affect other, home, career and

thinking, How the 8th house issues then become his own instead

of others and how the square of Mars (body) and Saturn (10th hse of

career or journey chosen) can be about self and

struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely, Mother caring or

close female relative in 4th caring for and bringing care and

tenderness with 6th from 4th being Cancer and it’s

planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all having planets on angles!

But I am still concerned about 4th hse Aquarius with RA sq 7th

hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th hse Aries sq 9th hse

Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take away reality or would you say

Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or medicine for pain? THANKS

what a difference in interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back.

Missed you!

 

 

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has

physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T

sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost

always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a

major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just

the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and

rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of

the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship

thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons

bod.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him

through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am

now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a

lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active,

transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into

astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to

go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep

my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could

of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby,

long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving

serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and

collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly

in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s

and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have

changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology

“keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I

really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an

answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on

the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning

though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was

unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I

will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has

drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain

further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical

difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am

seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to

do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th

house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be

troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th

house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house

sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child.

(even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th

house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his

career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self).

Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house

matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also,

taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse

Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret,

sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or

again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th

hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th

hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected

by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th

hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here.

Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look

forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14

PM

 

FW:

Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this

message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with

stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted

it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as

soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have

any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen

this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

Bettina

 

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have

an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in

7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of

health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the

physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me

think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly

took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter,

exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and

conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a

dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of

physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at

being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though

you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move

on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a

Saturn / Mars square as " driving a car with the brakes on " . On

the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a

good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and

philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel

more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The

fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the

physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and

support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and

therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of

your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to

have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the

health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches,

conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know

what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved,

but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on

life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration /

pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are

very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were

born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to

you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big

factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can

involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to

the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and

that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for

you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of

nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so,

you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

mohish sharma

[mohish_thestud]

Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33

PM

 

 

Greetings

Hi

Everybody,

I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

about

your group from JyotishRemedies group.

 

I started taking interest in astrology due to my

excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

course of life.I have not had any exposure to

Western

astrology.I have been following up some vedic

astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

etc

but still i think i have a long long way to go.

I have joined the group with the expectation of

getting the chance to hear from different people

about

the different aspects of astrology.

Regards,

Mohish

 

 

 

 

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I don't get the severe migraines anymore ... age took care of that, but I do get food related headaches esp from animal protein foods and legumes. The trick is is roltating, that is if I eat say, chicken, I don't have it again for four days (or eggs or any other kind of bird); then, fish ... don't have that again for 4 days. It's great way to deal with food allergies, as long as they're not too severe. Beans I can never eat, but a dr. of Chinese Med. told me that if I go for a whole yr. w/o eating a single bean or bean product (ie soy sauce, meat substitutes made from soy, whatever) I may overcome my allergy to them. So I'm trying that now.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Monday, May 24, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Oh, Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones too…..

 

I think you have hit upon a key that I have been missing or struggling with in interpretations.

How interesting. Puts a whole new light on things!

 

Time to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m curious, with your chart set up, how do you handle the migraine headaches and food allergies today? Do you have seasonal or year round environmental allergies too? Do you still feel that the transits affect your health in this area today? How about the area of where you are living, has it made a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self). Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs. (I'm 5'5" and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc. and I was "attacked" by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my "self". 7th hs Mars was transiting, it was an "other" from where the Mars action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I confronted her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected Mars. That time I also felt "sick", though can't say I had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition, just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house definition?

 

D

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51] Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars – thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst (self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self. To how one affects other and ones relationship with others. Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction. But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars (body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely, Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back. Missed you!

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons bod.

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

Bettina [chiria] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: FW: Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Greetings

Hi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

 

 

 

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I meant ROTATING. Should check better for typos.

 

 

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Bettina [chiria]Monday, May 24, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

I don't get the severe migraines anymore ... age took care of that, but I do get food related headaches esp from animal protein foods and legumes. The trick is is roltating, that is if I eat say, chicken, I don't have it again for four days (or eggs or any other kind of bird); then, fish ... don't have that again for 4 days. It's great way to deal with food allergies, as long as they're not too severe. Beans I can never eat, but a dr. of Chinese Med. told me that if I go for a whole yr. w/o eating a single bean or bean product (ie soy sauce, meat substitutes made from soy, whatever) I may overcome my allergy to them. So I'm trying that now.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Monday, May 24, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Oh, Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones too…..

 

I think you have hit upon a key that I have been missing or struggling with in interpretations.

How interesting. Puts a whole new light on things!

 

Time to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m curious, with your chart set up, how do you handle the migraine headaches and food allergies today? Do you have seasonal or year round environmental allergies too? Do you still feel that the transits affect your health in this area today? How about the area of where you are living, has it made a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self). Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs. (I'm 5'5" and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc. and I was "attacked" by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my "self". 7th hs Mars was transiting, it was an "other" from where the Mars action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I confronted her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected Mars. That time I also felt "sick", though can't say I had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition, just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house definition?

 

D

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51] Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars – thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst (self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self. To how one affects other and ones relationship with others. Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction. But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars (body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely, Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back. Missed you!

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons bod.

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

Bettina [chiria] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: FW: Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Greetings

Hi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

 

 

 

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Hi

Bettina,

 

This

is off topic astrology- so my apologies to all. Bettina, I’m

curious, did you go to any other doctors or specialists for your allergies and

migraines? Do you have to take any other kinds of meds or does Rotating

foods do the trick?

 

Now

for astrology. Do you see in your chart where this is a problem

today. Allergies and such?

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Monday, May 24, 2004 12:22

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

I meant ROTATING. Should check

better for typos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Bettina

[chiria]

Monday, May 24, 2004 10:17

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

I don't get the severe migraines

anymore ... age took care of that, but I do get food related headaches esp from

animal protein foods and legumes. The trick is is roltating, that is if I

eat say, chicken, I don't have it again for four days (or eggs or any other

kind of bird); then, fish ... don't have that again for 4 days. It's

great way to deal with food allergies, as long as they're not too severe.

Beans I can never eat, but a dr. of Chinese Med. told me that if I go for a

whole yr. w/o eating a single bean or bean product (ie soy sauce, meat

substitutes made from soy, whatever) I may overcome my allergy to them.

So I'm trying that now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Monday, May 24, 2004 9:35 AM

 

RE:

Greetings

Oh, Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones

too…..

 

I think you have hit upon a key that I have been

missing or struggling with in interpretations.

How interesting. Puts a whole new light on

things!

 

Time to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m curious, with your chart set up, how do you

handle the migraine headaches and food allergies today? Do you have

seasonal or year round environmental allergies too? Do you still feel

that the transits affect your health in this area today? How about the

area of where you are living, has it made a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:43

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a

major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self).

Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that

planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few

examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my

desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few

yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far

behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got

migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs.

(I'm 5'5 " and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and

didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of

managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back

up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc.

and I was " attacked " by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't

like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors

and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so

opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my " self " . 7th

hs Mars was transiting, it was an " other " from where the Mars

action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I confronted

her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected

Mars. That time I also felt " sick " , though can't say I

had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition,

just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house

matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house

definition?

 

D

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what

you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical

problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars –

thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th

meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th

affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that

it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst

(self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting

on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I

didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s

body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self.

To how one affects other and ones relationship with others.

Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction.

But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through

body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s

medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th

house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars

(body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be

about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely,

Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and

bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being

Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all

having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse

Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th

hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take

away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or

medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in

interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back.

Missed you!

 

 

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has

physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T

sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost

always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a

major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just

the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and

rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of

the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship

thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons

bod.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him

through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am

now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a

lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting.

I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s

always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction.

I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my

daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with

just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and

nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious

consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and

collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly

in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s

and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have

changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep

you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I

really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an

answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on

the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning

though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was

unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I

will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has

drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain

further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical

difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am

seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to

do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th

house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be

troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th

house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house

sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child.

(even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th

house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career

objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I

see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of

philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also,

taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse

Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret,

sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or

again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th

hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th

hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected

by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th

hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here.

Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look

forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14

PM

 

FW:

Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this

message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with

stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted

it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as

soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have

any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen

this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

Bettina

 

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have

an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in

7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of

health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the

physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me

think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly

took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter,

exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and

conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a

dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of

physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at

being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though

you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move

on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a

Saturn / Mars square as " driving a car with the brakes on " . On

the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a

good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and

philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel

more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The

fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the

physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and

support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and

therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of

your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to

have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the

health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches,

conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know

what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved,

but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on

life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration /

pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are

very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were

born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to

you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big

factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can

involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to

the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and

that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for

you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of

nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so,

you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

mohish sharma

[mohish_thestud]

Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33

PM

 

 

Greetings

Hi

Everybody,

I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

about

your group from JyotishRemedies group.

 

I started taking interest in astrology due to my

excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

course of life.I have not had any exposure to

Western

astrology.I have been following up some vedic

astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

etc

but still i think i have a long long way to go.

I have joined the group with the expectation of

getting the chance to hear from different people

about

the different aspects of astrology.

Regards,

Mohish

 

 

 

 

SBC - Internet access at a great low price.

http://promo./sbc/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi

Bettina,

 

I

pulled up your chart from 15 years ago – what a hum dinger!! I was

guessing that your Mars energy was in this time frame too so I noticed how you

could of gained your Mars strength to defend your family. Mars Transiting

1st house (Gemini) with an aspect (kendra) to 5th house

(Libra with Venus and Mars). To play off of volatile 7th house

(Sagitarius) opposite with all the transiting planets there. Just enough

to have you speeck up and confront an injustice toward your family.

 

But,

I find it curious that you feel your Mar is generally weak. Quiet maybe

but not weak. I think this is what I picked up on when I first look at

your chart. Mars with Venus in Libra 5th house. I have

always thought that Libra being a gracious sign with wanting peace and harmony

and justice for all can be antagonized to no end if need be if their buttons so

to speak got pushed just enough or their patience was worn thin. I look

at that opposite sign Aries/Mars. So to have Mars there with Venus.

I think you can be very strong in a loving way and when needed, choose to act

in a quiet way or a vocal way. 5th house being a house of motivation of

ones desires, their ego and creativity. This would include YOUR family

that you nurture and love.

 

That

is why too I said a few weeks ago, I thought it was more than your Moon in

Taurus that has seen you through.

Of

course I am seeing and talking about the chart in sections and not as a whole

but that’s what I sense. Any comments on my assessment?

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Monday, May 24, 2004 11:35

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

Oh, Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones

too…..

 

I think you have hit upon a key that I have been

missing or struggling with in interpretations.

How interesting. Puts a whole new light on

things!

 

Time to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m curious, with your chart set up, how do you handle

the migraine headaches and food allergies today? Do you have seasonal or

year round environmental allergies too? Do you still feel that the

transits affect your health in this area today? How about the area of

where you are living, has it made a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:43

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a major

asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self). Sometimes it's

affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that

planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few

examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my

desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few

yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far

behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got

migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs.

(I'm 5'5 " and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and

didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of

managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back

up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc.

and I was " attacked " by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't

like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors

and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so

opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my " self " .

7th hs Mars was transiting, it was an " other " from where the

Mars action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I

confronted her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected

Mars. That time I also felt " sick " , though can't say I

had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition,

just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house matters

of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house

definition?

 

D

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM

 

RE: Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what

you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical

problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars –

thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th

meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th

affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that

it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst

(self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting

on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I

didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s

body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self.

To how one affects other and ones relationship with others.

Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction.

But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through

body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s

medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th

house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars

(body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be

about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely,

Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and

bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being

Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all

having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse

Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th

hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take

away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or

medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in interpretation!!

 

 

D

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back.

Missed you!

 

 

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has

physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T

sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost

always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a

major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just

the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and

rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of

the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship

thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons

bod.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him

through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am

now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a

lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active,

transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into

astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to

go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep

my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could

of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby,

long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving

serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and

collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly

in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s

and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have

changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology

“keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I

really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an

answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on

the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning

though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was

unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I

will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has

drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain

further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical

difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am

seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to

do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th

house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be

troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th

house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house

sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child.

(even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th

house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his

career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self).

Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters

of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also,

taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse

Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret,

sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or

again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th

hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th

hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected

by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th

hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here.

Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look

forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14

PM

 

FW:

Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this

message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with

stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted

it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as

soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have

any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen

this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

Bettina

 

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have

an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in

7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of

health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the

physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me

think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly

took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong

Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th

and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a

dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of

physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at

being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though

you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move

on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a

Saturn / Mars square as " driving a car with the brakes on " . On

the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a

good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and

philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel

more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The

fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the

physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and

support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and

therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of

your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to

have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the

health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches,

conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know

what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved,

but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life.

It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the

positive / exalted.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are

very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were

born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to

you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big

factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can

involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the

things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that

sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for

you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of

nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so,

you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

mohish sharma

[mohish_thestud]

Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33

PM

 

 

Greetings

Hi

Everybody,

I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

about

your group from JyotishRemedies group.

 

I started taking interest in astrology due to my

excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

course of life.I have not had any exposure to

Western

astrology.I have been following up some vedic

astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

etc

but still i think i have a long long way to go.

I have joined the group with the expectation of

getting the chance to hear from different people

about

the different aspects of astrology.

Regards,

Mohish

 

 

 

 

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Deb ...

 

 

During that time in my life when I had all the migraines I also took Beta Blockers, which helped to an extent, but I built up a tolerance to them, I also gave myself some kind of ergot shots (DEH or DHE, something like that) when the headaches got really bad, but that can only be used once in a while cuz it can be harmful. At one point I went to a MD who used a kind of therapy ... called EPD (Enzymatic Protien Desensatization). I'd get a shot every few mos. over a period of 2 yrs. It really worked, but the dr got it trouble because it hadn't been passed by the FDA (tho it wasn't illegal to use it). I said goodbye to many $$$. He was way ahead of his time and got a bum rap. The medical police made his life miserable. So ... the treatment wasn't completed and I backslid, but not completely.

 

There is so much politics in the drug business it makes me want to barf. The big companies are threatened by anything that might WORK to permanently cure someone so that they don't have to be on meds for eternity.

 

A few yrs ago I was going to a chiropracter and that really helped, but I couldn't afford to keep going once a week, so again I backslid. But now the situation is good enough that I don't give it much thought. I just rotate. It's just a drag if you're traveling, going out to a restaurant, or a guest at someones home, but Oh Well.

 

I don't know how allergies show up astrologically. Maybe S. rising. I would think S on asc would particularly have to do with headaches. My husband also has a problem with them, and he has Rahu and Pluto rising. Do you have headaches very often?

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Hi Bettina,

 

This is off topic astrology- so my apologies to all. Bettina, I’m curious, did you go to any other doctors or specialists for your allergies and migraines? Do you have to take any other kinds of meds or does Rotating foods do the trick?

 

Now for astrology. Do you see in your chart where this is a problem today. Allergies and such?

 

Debra

 

 

 

Bettina [chiria] Monday, May 24, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

I meant ROTATING. Should check better for typos.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Bettina [chiria]Monday, May 24, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

I don't get the severe migraines anymore ... age took care of that, but I do get food related headaches esp from animal protein foods and legumes. The trick is is roltating, that is if I eat say, chicken, I don't have it again for four days (or eggs or any other kind of bird); then, fish ... don't have that again for 4 days. It's great way to deal with food allergies, as long as they're not too severe. Beans I can never eat, but a dr. of Chinese Med. told me that if I go for a whole yr. w/o eating a single bean or bean product (ie soy sauce, meat substitutes made from soy, whatever) I may overcome my allergy to them. So I'm trying that now.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Monday, May 24, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

Oh, Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones too…..

 

I think you have hit upon a key that I have been missing or struggling with in interpretations.

How interesting. Puts a whole new light on things!

 

Time to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m curious, with your chart set up, how do you handle the migraine headaches and food allergies today? Do you have seasonal or year round environmental allergies too? Do you still feel that the transits affect your health in this area today? How about the area of where you are living, has it made a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self). Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs. (I'm 5'5" and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc. and I was "attacked" by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my "self". 7th hs Mars was transiting, it was an "other" from where the Mars action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I confronted her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected Mars. That time I also felt "sick", though can't say I had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition, just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house definition?

 

D

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51] Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars – thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst (self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self. To how one affects other and ones relationship with others. Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction. But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars (body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely, Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back. Missed you!

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons bod.

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

Bettina [chiria] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: FW: Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Greetings

Hi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

 

 

 

 

 

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Well, Mars in Libra, in sandhi position, and cnj Venus isn't a very assertive Mars. I have to be pushed a lot to confront someone if I think there's been an injustice, and then I'll plan my mode of confrontation, even rehearse what I'm going to say, but I always feel much better after I do.

 

Also, Saturn rising asp'ing Sun can be rather timid.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Hi Bettina,

 

I pulled up your chart from 15 years ago – what a hum dinger!! I was guessing that your Mars energy was in this time frame too so I noticed how you could of gained your Mars strength to defend your family. Mars Transiting 1st house (Gemini) with an aspect (kendra) to 5th house (Libra with Venus and Mars). To play off of volatile 7th house (Sagitarius) opposite with all the transiting planets there. Just enough to have you speeck up and confront an injustice toward your family.

 

But, I find it curious that you feel your Mar is generally weak. Quiet maybe but not weak. I think this is what I picked up on when I first look at your chart. Mars with Venus in Libra 5th house. I have always thought that Libra being a gracious sign with wanting peace and harmony and justice for all can be antagonized to no end if need be if their buttons so to speak got pushed just enough or their patience was worn thin. I look at that opposite sign Aries/Mars. So to have Mars there with Venus. I think you can be very strong in a loving way and when needed, choose to act in a quiet way or a vocal way. 5th house being a house of motivation of ones desires, their ego and creativity. This would include YOUR family that you nurture and love.

 

That is why too I said a few weeks ago, I thought it was more than your Moon in Taurus that has seen you through.

Of course I am seeing and talking about the chart in sections and not as a whole but that’s what I sense. Any comments on my assessment?

 

Debra

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51] Monday, May 24, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Oh, Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones too…..

 

I think you have hit upon a key that I have been missing or struggling with in interpretations.

How interesting. Puts a whole new light on things!

 

Time to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m curious, with your chart set up, how do you handle the migraine headaches and food allergies today? Do you have seasonal or year round environmental allergies too? Do you still feel that the transits affect your health in this area today? How about the area of where you are living, has it made a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self). Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs. (I'm 5'5" and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc. and I was "attacked" by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my "self". 7th hs Mars was transiting, it was an "other" from where the Mars action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I confronted her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected Mars. That time I also felt "sick", though can't say I had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition, just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house definition?

 

D

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51] Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars – thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst (self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self. To how one affects other and ones relationship with others. Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction. But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars (body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely, Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

Bettina [chiria] Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back. Missed you!

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons bod.

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him through a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active, transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby, long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology “keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child. (even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self). Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also, taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret, sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here. Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

Bettina [chiria] Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: FW: Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any reason to read it again.

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in 7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a Saturn / Mars square as "driving a car with the brakes on". On the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches, conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved, but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration / pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so, you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mohish sharma [mohish_thestud]Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Greetings

Hi Everybody,I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currentlyworking as a software engineer in japan. I heard aboutyour group from JyotishRemedies group.I started taking interest in astrology due to myexcessive health problems and highly unpredictablecourse of life.I have not had any exposure to Westernastrology.I have been following up some Vedic Astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat etcbut still i think i have a long long way to go.I have joined the group with the expectation ofgetting the chance to hear from different people aboutthe different aspects of astrology.Regards,Mohish SBC - Internet access at a great low price.http://promo./sbc/

 

 

 

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Bet….

 

I

have a long history with migraines. Started as a young teenager.

Got worse as I got older. Then the hormonal changes of pregnancy and

such. I am classified as having daily classic migraines with

cluster break outs. I have been on a number of meds. Then started

seeing a headache specialist in 1992. Some years have been better than

others with a wider variety of preventable medicines, shots, meds for when the

headaches would be bad to daily medicine maintenance to keep severity of

headaches from being incapacitating. To a variety of treatments. A

lot of meds, a lot of money, a lot of daily meds, a lot of compromise for

alertness and energy. And, I think a great toll on my body physically in

the long run because of all the chemicals playing on physical operation of body.

I have always maintained that I have a lot of allergies (63 foods, multi Drugs

& environmental) along with chronic sinus infections that complicates the

whole situation if not really being the cause. I am on medicines

for those too. I am so sensitive to drugs that I have gone into drug

induced hepatitis four times in last 24 years.

 

Then,

last Spring I had a 6 hour pulmonary ablation done for my Atria Fib and high

blood pressure. I was actually headache free for two months. I can’t

tell you what a difference it made in my life. The world took on a whole

new color!!! I was told that there is a vein that was cauterized that

often is responsible for the vascular dilation that contributes to Migraines. But

since, my headaches are back. I go through waves of days and weeks and

then clear for awhile. Have only been taking a migraine med when needed

last 12 months but almost daily now sometimes two a day with Vicodin added on

really bad days. I am off to my headache specialist next week who coincidentally

I have not seen since ablation (first time since 1992) last year to be

reevaluated again. I can’t wait. The headaches need to be better

controlled with different preventive or long term meds. Taking too much

of migraine med now which is not good for heart either. Also,

the ablation is not holding the Atrial fib and high blood pressure, so I think all

that contributes. And will have to be delt with. Probably

more surgery sooner if not later. Vicious circle.

 

I

was curious about your rotation of food. I think that’s a really

good idea. I think I am going to try it. Also, if your being in

drier weather helps. Right now as I write this, the rainy season has hit

my part of the country and the wetness, mold; weeds etc. being in a wooded area

is bad. I was hoping too that “age” would have

taken care of most of the headaches by now but so far No. Maybe in a few

more years. At least I am hoping only a few more years to go to see the

other end of change. But with heart affected now too and other health

complications (hyperthyroid and spine) I don’t think the headaches or

other problems are ever really going to go away. So, it is a matter of

getting a better handle on chronic health issues for decent daily living. Compromises

too. Pain free would be great but I am at the point of lesser pain

would be terrific – not as intrusive. Like you, dealing with foods

and drugs is a constant effort of attention. I rather be focusing

my energy of needs somewhere else and not have to draw attention or

inconvenience anyone. Or suffer because I didn’t speak up or

request something different or refuse something I shouldn’t have.

There are too many No,s and I can’t’s. And then there’s

that attitude I have. Just take a pill and get on with it.

 

I

wish I knew where to find these medical issues in charts. I think one

needs to study Medical Astrology to understand house, planets and transits to

understand what is triggering what from a base line of a Astrology chart as a

whole. I would think that sidereally would be better than Tropical

because it is much better at event breakdown.. Just a thought.

Would love to hear from others to on this topic of Medical Astrology and how to

find it in charts. Maybe could help with managing if not stop something

or direct one to further medical assistance if complicated or ensuing.

 

Well,

that ended up being too much information. But, important topic for

assessing Astrology charts. Too, I am going to ask my doctor about your treatments

that you have had. Good to network with others for info. And advice for

what works and doesn’t. Thanks!

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Tuesday, May

25, 2004 12:43 PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Deb ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

During that time in my life when I

had all the migraines I also took Beta Blockers, which helped to an extent, but

I built up a tolerance to them, I also gave myself some kind of

ergot shots (DEH or DHE, something like that) when the headaches got

really bad, but that can only be used once in a while cuz it can be

harmful. At one point I went to a MD who used a kind of therapy

.... called EPD (Enzymatic Protien Desensatization). I'd get a

shot every few mos. over a period of 2 yrs. It really worked, but the dr

got it trouble because it hadn't been passed by the FDA (tho it wasn't illegal

to use it). I said goodbye to many $$$. He was way ahead

of his time and got a bum rap. The medical police made his life

miserable. So ... the treatment wasn't completed and I backslid, but

not completely.

 

 

 

 

 

There is so much politics in the

drug business it makes me want to barf. The big companies are threatened

by anything that might WORK to permanently cure someone so that they

don't have to be on meds for eternity.

 

 

 

 

 

A few yrs ago I was going to a

chiropracter and that really helped, but I couldn't afford to keep going once a

week, so again I backslid. But now the situation is good enough that I

don't give it much thought. I just rotate. It's just a drag if

you're traveling, going out to a restaurant, or a guest at someones home, but

Oh Well.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know how allergies show up

astrologically. Maybe S. rising. I would think S on asc would

particularly have to do with headaches. My husband also has a problem

with them, and he has Rahu and Pluto rising. Do you have headaches very

often?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:55

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

This is off topic astrology- so my apologies to all.

Bettina, I’m curious, did you go to any other doctors or specialists for

your allergies and migraines? Do you have to take any other kinds of meds

or does Rotating foods do the trick?

 

Now for astrology. Do you see in your chart where this

is a problem today. Allergies and such?

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Monday, May 24, 2004 12:22

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

I meant ROTATING. Should check

better for typos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Bettina

[chiria]

Monday, May 24, 2004 10:17

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

I don't get the severe migraines

anymore ... age took care of that, but I do get food related headaches esp from

animal protein foods and legumes. The trick is is roltating, that is if I

eat say, chicken, I don't have it again for four days (or eggs or any other

kind of bird); then, fish ... don't have that again for 4 days. It's

great way to deal with food allergies, as long as they're not too severe.

Beans I can never eat, but a dr. of Chinese Med. told me that if I go for a

whole yr. w/o eating a single bean or bean product (ie soy sauce, meat

substitutes made from soy, whatever) I may overcome my allergy to them.

So I'm trying that now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Monday, May 24, 2004 9:35 AM

 

RE:

Greetings

Oh, Bettina, awfully good examples and painful ones

too…..

 

I think you have hit upon a key that I have been

missing or struggling with in interpretations.

How interesting. Puts a whole new light on

things!

 

Time to study my collection of charts again

 

THANKS

 

I’m curious, with your chart set up, how do you

handle the migraine headaches and food allergies today? Do you have

seasonal or year round environmental allergies too? Do you still feel

that the transits affect your health in this area today? How about the

area of where you are living, has it made a difference?

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

Original Message-----

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:43

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

The opposition from any planet is a

major asp, so opposing asc would somehow affect the asc. (self).

Sometimes it's affected through another person, though.

 

 

 

 

 

I've noticed in my own transits that

planets crossing desc. can have a strong effect on me. A few

examples: about 15 yrs ago Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all went across my

desc. over a period of time ... of course with Nep. it took quite a few

yrs, but Sat. and Ur. were there at the same time with Nep. not far

behind. During that time I developed food allergies and got

migraines almost any time I ate anything. I got down to 100 lbs.

(I'm 5'5 " and usually weigh in the 120s). I looked dreadful and

didn't feel much better. Through mecications and figuring out a way of

managing my diet I finally got so I could handle it and gradually got back

up to a normal weight. Another time Mars was stationary on my desc.

and I was " attacked " by a neighbor; not physically, but she didn't

like us (my family) and was saying terrible things about us to other neighbors

and turning them against us. Now ... Mars rules my 6th hs. of enemies, so

opposing the asc, it was an enemy attacking my " self " .

7th hs Mars was transiting, it was an " other " from where the

Mars action came. 7th doesn't just have to do with spouse. I

confronted her ... something difficult for me to do with my wimpy almost unaspected

Mars. That time I also felt " sick " , though can't say I

had a specific disease ... just stress.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know about Med. Astr. definition,

just that ops are strong aspects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:44 PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

Ok, does the below interpretation of 7th house

matters of body refer to Medical Astrology’s 7th house

definition?

 

D

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:40 AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

Interpretating houses from whole signs

 

Oh that is so good to know Bettina. I see exactly what

you mean. Yes, Mohish did say in his post that he had a lot of medical

problems. I was getting hung up on 7th hse Mars –

thinking of others. Then looking at the square of 7th and 10th

meaning others and career with RA and KE 4th and 10th

affecting home and security with discipline and restriction. I see that

it’s the 7th Mars that threw me off. Yes, lst

(self) and 6th hse (health) lords Mars being important but again I was putting

on others because of 7th hse others/relationships. I

didn’t know that any planet in 7th meant someone’s

body. I thought opposite and particularly being 7 away meant beyond self.

To how one affects other and ones relationship with others.

Also, how someone else’s relationship affects on self. Interaction.

But yes, if one affects others through self (lst hse) and through

body being represented in 7th then ok I can then see where Mohish’s

medical problems can affect other, home, career and thinking, How the 8th

house issues then become his own instead of others and how the square of Mars

(body) and Saturn (10th hse of career or journey chosen) can be

about self and struggle/restriction//accidents. And, yes absolutely,

Mother caring or close female relative in 4th caring for and

bringing care and tenderness with 6th from 4th being

Cancer and it’s planets, JU exalted. True too, 1,4,7 and 10 all

having planets on angles! But I am still concerned about 4th hse

Aquarius with RA sq 7th hse Taurus with Mars. Then 6th

hse Aries sq 9th hse Cancer. Too, doesn’t Neptune take

away reality or would you say Neptune here with angle with SA and MA drugs or

medicine for pain? THANKS what a difference in

interpretation!!

 

D

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:31

AM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Hi Deb, glad you're back.

Missed you!

 

 

 

 

 

The reason I thought that Mohish has

physical problems (I think he actually said that) is because of the angular T

sq. of Saturn, Mars, and Neptune. Ang Sat. and Mars will probably almost

always have to do with pain and suffering. Actually, Sat. isn't a

major sq to his asc, as the backward sq is stronger for that planet, but just

the fact that it's angular and afflicts Mars, which in turn opposes the asc. and

rules the 6th hs of illness to boot, along with the nodes being part of

the picture, looks like problems with the body.

 

 

 

 

 

The Mars could be a relationship

thing, too. But any planet in 7th opposes asc, so has to do with the persons

bod.

 

 

 

 

 

I think that nice Jup. sees him through

a lot, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:05

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

Hi Bettina,

 

I wanted to get back to you earlier this week but here I am

now. It’s been some kind of week, hasn’t it? I think a

lot of people have been affected with the conj of so many planets active,

transiting. I took pleasure in you story of how you got into

astrology. It’s always fascinating to see how we all turn a leaf to

go in this direction. I wish I had something like Astrology to keep

my attention when my daughter was little. I swear there were days I could

of gone mad with just her and me. Isolated, little sleep, fussy baby,

long days and nights, no one to talk to. Funny how then I was giving

serious consideration to advertising a mother’s group to join and

collaborate. Didn’t do it though. Thought it would be silly

in the long run. And, yet here today, there is so much for Mom’s

and newborns for support and networking. You are right, times have

changed. I like the fact that poetry and astrology

“keep you jazzed”!!

 

After you asked me about being drawn to Jupiter people I

really had to sit and think about that. I still don’t have an

answer. I need to go back to some of my in-depth volumes to read up on

the various actions and reactions to Jupiter. It is worth questioning

though, maybe that is what I have done all my life is attract Jupiter but was

unaware that was the energy in front of me that I was dealing with. I

will have to let you know.

 

The chart interpretation that you have done for Mohish has

drawn particular interest to me. I was wondering if you could explain

further how you see that Mohish himself is dealing with a lot of medical

difficulties. I see it differently, but that doesn’t mean I am

seeing the chart accurately. I see the chart as Mars in7 Taurus having to

do with relationships or a significant other and because his lst house and 6th

house are lord Mars that it would be his significant other that would be

troubled with health matters. I also see his home 4th

house with Ke being affected poorly or with challenges and his eight house

sensitivity and caring, possible loss. Maybe his mother, wife or child.

(even though, I don’t believe he is attached to anyone at this time) 10th

house Leo with Saturn and Rahu giving direction/discipline but restricting his

career objectives with Aries being his 6th house of work. (self).

Then I see a lot of his attention would also be toward 9th house

matters of philosophy and higher mind subjects and possibly in medicine. Also,

taking from the ASC in Scorpio to the 6th hse Aries, 8th hse

Gemini and 10th hse Leo pretty strong with subjects of secret,

sensitivity and/ or deep in concentration – maybe in health matters or

again 9th house matters.

 

If I look to the planets of the chart, I see SA(10th

hse with RA) being aspected by UR (12th hse), opposite RA (4th

hse) and MA (8th hse ). Ma(7th hse) being aspected

by SA,RA (10th hse), opposite ASC, Nep (lst hse). Ju (9th

hse with Su and Me) being aspected by ASC, NE (lst hse).

 

I don’t have Vedic language or interpretation here.

Maybe that is where I am not seeing what you are seeing. I look

forward to your help in accurately interpreting.

 

Debra

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:14

PM

 

FW:

Greetings

 

 

Hi. If I already posted this

message, I apologize. Like Therese, I've been having some problems with

stuff bouncing. Maybe it did appear on the board and I just deleted

it as my messages pile up so fast that I've taken to getting rid of some as soon

as I've finished reading them, and being my own message, Iwouldn't have any

reason to read it again.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, sorry if you've already seen

this one. Don't want to bore anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

Bettina

 

 

Hello again, Mohish ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ran off your chart. You have

an angular T square involving Neptune (in 1st), Saturn (in 10th), and Mars (in

7), which is your ascendant ruler. Mars also rules the 6th house of

health and illness and it's opposing your ascendant, which signifies the

physical body. The fact that the nodes are also involved makes me

think that the health problems are a karmic thing that you willingly

took on before birth. The good news is that you also have a strong

Jupiter, exalted in Cancer and in the 9th house. Jupiter rules the 5th

and conjoins Mercury and Sun. So, there seems to be sort of a

dichotomy between the difficulties and the blessings.

 

 

 

 

 

You're likely to have a lot of

physical pain and the frustration that it causes, probably even anger at

being held back from living your life to the fullest. You feel as though

you want so much from life that you're not getting. You want to move

on, do well at what you do, take part in things. Someone once described a

Saturn / Mars square as " driving a car with the brakes on " . On

the other hand, the good Jupiter shows high intelligence, an expansive mind, a

good grasp of many subjects and a strong spiritual and

philosophical aspect to your makeup. I have the sense that you feel

more connected to a loving, motherly God than a stern, fatherly one. The

fact that Jupiter also trines the asc. would indicate some mitigation of the

physical problems; maybe showing that you find the best medical help and

support from professionals. The kindness of women is comforting and

therapeutic to you. You come from a good family, but I have the sense of

your own mother being absent or some problem in that area.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's always essential to

have good medical care and good nutrition and all other things that effect the

health (exercise, sleep, etc). I believe in using all approaches,

conventional as well as herbal, holisitic, Ayurvedic, etc. I don't know

what your health problems are, so I don't know if or how they can be resolved,

but that strong Jupiter is wonderful for giving you a positive spin on

life. It's like there's two things going on at once: the frustration /

pain and the positive / exalted.

 

 

 

 

 

Just one more thing: you are

very young and living in a different country from the one in which you were

born. Is there a longing for your homeland and what's familiar to

you? Are you lonely for your countrymen/women? Stress may be a big

factor in your life. If you can't be in India, perhaps you can

involve yourself with the Indian community in Japan. Treat yourself to

the things you like and are used to, comfort foods, familiar music, and

that sort of thing. You may be driving yourself more than is good for

you. Indulge in some down time, meditation, prayer, enjoyment of

nature. In all likelihood you're already doing these things. If so,

you can't go wrong with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

mohish sharma

[mohish_thestud]

Monday, May 17, 2004 10:33

PM

 

 

Greetings

Hi

Everybody,

I am Mohish, an indian by nationlity, currently

working as a software engineer in japan. I heard

about

your group from JyotishRemedies group.

 

I started taking interest in astrology due to my

excessive health problems and highly unpredictable

course of life.I have not had any exposure to

Western

astrology.I have been following up some vedic

astrology texts like Faldipika and JatakParijat

etc

but still i think i have a long long way to go.

I have joined the group with the expectation of

getting the chance to hear from different people

about

the different aspects of astrology.

Regards,

Mohish

 

 

 

 

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Dear Debra and Bettina,

Am really sorry to hear about your terrible migraines and headaches. My heart goes out to you both. I did have migraines, but was very fortunate to find it was an allergy to caffeine and was able to rid myself of it and using caffeine so I have been really lucky, no more migraines.

Want to give you the name of a book that has been very helpful for me - got it when I had them, but had already discovered the caffeine problem, but have used the book with others and it has been very good. Book title: An Alternative Medicine Definitive Guide to Headaches by Robert Milne, MD, and Blake More with Burton Goldberg. A friend of mine has a similar story to yours Debra, and she has since also found this book very helpful.

Also want to mention that I had a frozen shoulder this year and finally went to an acupuncturist. Had always resisted them as I hate needles... even though I had heard, as we all have, how remarkable peoples experiences are. Finally I was at the Chinese herbalist and stumbled into an acupuncturist. Immediately my shoulder improved. I hadn't slept other than a couple hours a night in around 6 months, awful, and following began sleeping full nights again that very night and it has continued throughout, no more problem. I did see her one more time about 5 days later for another treatment after the major success with sleeping and in gaining more improvement for my shoulder.

I don't know if you've tried that but something to consider. Also my father had cluster migraines and he went to one and then never had them again. Really sounds too good to be true, but did work, and he was someone I would think would never see an acupuncturist or had any faith in them. I know he did get a terrible, terrible headache following it, but then that was the end of them.

My interest in astrology centered on medical, and I'm still interested in it. There are many good books, one of which all recommend is: Essentials of Medical Astrology, by Dr. KS Charak.

It was this interest that has taken me more and more into the nakshatras and there are some excellent books on this looking into health. That is how I began to focus more towards KP. I don't think you necessarily need to use KP at all for health, but the books give some very exact locations, etc., for the different nakshatras and which pada, etc..

My friend troubled with migraines for over 20 years also has found the rotation of foods to be helpful. She too has this allergy to caffeine, but has had a very difficult time giving it up as the Excedrin is what helped her pain. She is in process right now of still trying to get completely off caffeine after taking it for years. Rahu currently is on her ascendant, Aries. She is an Ashwini, and Mars debilitated in Rasi chart. Saturn is R in 7H exalted, giving both 7H aspect on ascendant and 10H aspect on Mars. NRahu also giving 5H aspect on ascendant.

I'm no expert but do feel that finding the causes via the chart and then using that to help is important for medical situations and can make a difference.

Best wishes with all health wishes to you,

Patrice

__________

Bet….

 

I have a long history with migraines. Started as a young teenager. Got worse as I got older. Then the hormonal changes of pregnancy and such. I am classified as having daily classic migraines with cluster break outs. I have been on a number of meds. Then started seeing a headache specialist in 1992. Some years have been better than others with a wider variety of preventable medicines, shots, meds for when the headaches would be bad to daily medicine maintenance to keep severity of headaches from being incapacitating. To a variety of treatments. A lot of meds, a lot of money, a lot of daily meds, a lot of compromise for alertness and energy. And, I think a great toll on my body physically in the long run because of all the chemicals playing on physical operation of body. I have always maintained that I have a lot of allergies (63 foods, multi Drugs & environmental) along with chronic sinus infections that complicates the whole situation if not really being the cause. I am on medicines for those too. I am so sensitive to drugs that I have gone into drug induced hepatitis four times in last 24 years.

 

Then, last Spring I had a 6 hour pulmonary ablation done for my Atria Fib and high blood pressure. I was actually headache free for two months. I can’t tell you what a difference it made in my life. The world took on a whole new color!!! I was told that there is a vein that was cauterized that often is responsible for the vascular dilation that contributes to Migraines. But since, my headaches are back. I go through waves of days and weeks and then clear for awhile. Have only been taking a migraine med when needed last 12 months but almost daily now sometimes two a day with Vicodin added on really bad days. I am off to my headache specialist next week who coincidentally I have not seen since ablation (first time since 1992) last year to be reevaluated again. I can’t wait. The headaches need to be better controlled with different preventive or long term meds. Taking too much of migraine med now which is not good for heart either. Also, the ablation is not holding the Atrial fib and high blood pressure, so I think all that contributes. And will have to be delt with. Probably more surgery sooner if not later. Vicious circle.

 

I was curious about your rotation of food. I think that’s a really good idea. I think I am going to try it. Also, if your being in drier weather helps. Right now as I write this, the rainy season has hit my part of the country and the wetness, mold; weeds etc. being in a wooded area is bad. I was hoping too that “age” would have taken care of most of the headaches by now but so far No. Maybe in a few more years. At least I am hoping only a few more years to go to see the other end of change. But with heart affected now too and other health complications (hyperthyroid and spine) I don’t think the headaches or other problems are ever really going to go away. So, it is a matter of getting a better handle on chronic health issues for decent daily living. Compromises too. Pain free would be great but I am at the point of lesser pain would be terrific – not as intrusive. Like you, dealing with foods and drugs is a constant effort of attention. I rather be focusing my energy of needs somewhere else and not have to draw attention or inconvenience anyone. Or suffer because I didn’t speak up or request something different or refuse something I shouldn’t have. There are too many No,s and I can’t’s. And then there’s that attitude I have. Just take a pill and get on with it.

 

I wish I knew where to find these medical issues in charts. I think one needs to study Medical Astrology to understand house, planets and transits to understand what is triggering what from a base line of a Astrology chart as a whole. I would think that sidereally would be better than Tropical because it is much better at event breakdown.. Just a thought. Would love to hear from others to on this topic of Medical Astrology and how to find it in charts. Maybe could help with managing if not stop something or direct one to further medical assistance if complicated or ensuing.

 

Well, that ended up being too much information. But, important topic for assessing Astrology charts. Too, I am going to ask my doctor about your treatments that you have had. Good to network with others for info. And advice for what works and doesn’t. Thanks!

 

Debra

 

 

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Oh,

Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

 

Hope

frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well.  Keep us posted to your welfare.

 

I’m

racing off to order Amazon for your book recommendations.  Also, yes, there is

a ch. Med dr ½ hour away. I think I will try and acupuncture possibility.  Have

you ever had that nerve test done.  It’s where they stick you with a bunch of

needles (EMG) everywhere to see if your nerve function is still right on.  Horrible. 

So, when it comes to acupuncture, I have been a little leery because of the

needles and its ensuing pain.  But you know, there is just too many good things

going on in alternative meds that I just can’t ignore or not give priority

attention too.  Just think, pain free! Yeah!  I’ll settle for relief  J

 

Charak

is good.  I am going to order this book too!  I am fascinated with you work

with the Nashastras.  This is an area that I have not really investigated.  But,

maybe I should for better understanding and prediction. Or event synthesis.   I

would like to hear more.  How did you start and go about it.  Is there a book

or reference to understand the Nashastra stars.  I have one book.  It is very

small.  Purple cover.  Nashastra title.  Need to go look.  Anyway, it is the

only book I have come across that explains this Vedic meaning of it’s stars and

I think there is something valid to it in deciphering Vedic charts and

personalities along with events.  Also you study and work into Medical

Astrology.  How you have helped, where you see a lot of things in the chart cropping

up etc.  it is a whole other area of exploration, isn’t it?!

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

 

Patrice Curry

[patricecurry]

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:15

PM

 

Re:

Greetings

 

 

Dear Debra and Bettina,

Am really sorry to hear about your terrible migraines and

headaches. My heart goes out to you both. I did have migraines, but was very

fortunate to find it was an allergy to caffeine and was able to rid myself of

it and using caffeine so I have been really lucky, no more migraines.

Want to give you the name of a book that has been very

helpful for me - got it when I had them, but had already discovered the

caffeine problem, but have used the book with others and it has been very good.

Book title: An Alternative

Medicine Definitive Guide to Headaches by Robert Milne,

MD, and Blake More with Burton Goldberg. A friend of mine has a similar

story to yours Debra, and she has since also found this book very

helpful.

Also want to mention that I had a frozen shoulder this year

and finally went to an acupuncturist. Had always resisted them as I hate

needles... even though I had heard, as we all have, how remarkable peoples

experiences are. Finally I was at the Chinese herbalist and stumbled into an

acupuncturist. Immediately my shoulder improved. I hadn't slept other than a

couple hours a night in around 6 months, awful, and

following began sleeping full nights again that very night and it has

continued throughout, no more problem. I did see her one more

time about 5 days later for another treatment after the major

success with sleeping and in gaining more improvement for my shoulder.

I don't know if you've tried that but something to consider.

Also my father had cluster migraines and he went to one and then never had them

again. Really sounds too good to be true, but did work, and he was someone I

would think would never see an acupuncturist or had any faith in them. I know

he did get a terrible, terrible headache following it, but then that was the

end of them.

My interest in astrology centered on medical, and I'm still

interested in it. There are many good books, one of which all recommend is: Essentials of Medical

Astrology, by Dr. KS Charak.

It was this interest that has taken me more and more into the

nakshatras and there are some excellent books on this looking into health. That

is how I began to focus more towards KP. I don't think you necessarily

need to use KP at all for health, but the books give some very exact locations,

etc., for the different nakshatras and which pada, etc..

My friend troubled with migraines for over 20 years also has

found the rotation of foods to be helpful. She too has this allergy to

caffeine, but has had a very difficult time giving it up as the Excedrin is

what helped her pain. She is in process right now of still trying to get

completely off caffeine after taking it for years. Rahu currently is on her

ascendant, Aries. She is an Ashwini, and Mars debilitated in Rasi chart. Saturn

is R in 7H exalted, giving both 7H aspect on ascendant and 10H aspect on Mars. NRahu

also giving 5H aspect on ascendant.

I'm no expert but do feel that finding the causes

via the chart and then using that to help is important for medical

situations and can make a difference.

Best wishes with all health wishes to you,

Patrice

__________

Bet….

 

I have a long history with migraines. Started as a

young teenager. Got worse as I got older. Then the hormonal changes

of pregnancy and such. I am classified as having daily classic

migraines with cluster break outs. I have been on a number of meds.

Then started seeing a headache specialist in 1992. Some years have been

better than others with a wider variety of preventable medicines, shots, meds

for when the headaches would be bad to daily medicine maintenance to keep

severity of headaches from being incapacitating. To a variety of

treatments. A lot of meds, a lot of money, a lot of daily meds, a

lot of compromise for alertness and energy. And, I think a great toll on

my body physically in the long run because of all the chemicals playing on

physical operation of body. I have always maintained that I have a lot of

allergies (63 foods, multi Drugs & environmental) along with chronic sinus

infections that complicates the whole situation if not really being the cause.

I am on medicines for those too. I am so sensitive to drugs

that I have gone into drug induced hepatitis four times in last 24 years.

 

Then, last Spring I had a 6 hour pulmonary ablation

done for my Atria Fib and high blood pressure. I was actually headache

free for two months. I can’t tell you what a difference it made in my

life. The world took on a whole new color!!! I was told that there

is a vein that was cauterized that often is responsible for the vascular

dilation that contributes to Migraines. But since, my headaches are

back. I go through waves of days and weeks and then clear for

awhile. Have only been taking a migraine med when needed last 12 months

but almost daily now sometimes two a day with Vicodin added on really bad days.

I am off to my headache specialist next week who coincidentally I have

not seen since ablation (first time since 1992) last year to be reevaluated

again. I can’t wait. The headaches need to be better controlled

with different preventive or long term meds. Taking too much of migraine

med now which is not good for heart either. Also, the

ablation is not holding the Atrial fib and high blood pressure, so I think all

that contributes. And will have to be delt with. Probably

more surgery sooner if not later. Vicious circle.

 

I was curious about your rotation of food. I

think that’s a really good idea. I think I am going to try it.

Also, if your being in drier weather helps. Right now as I write this,

the rainy season has hit my part of the country and the wetness, mold; weeds

etc. being in a wooded area is bad. I was hoping too that

“age” would have taken care of most of the headaches by now but so far No.

Maybe in a few more years. At least I am hoping only a few more years to

go to see the other end of change. But with heart affected now too and

other health complications (hyperthyroid and spine) I don’t think the headaches

or other problems are ever really going to go away. So, it is a matter of

getting a better handle on chronic health issues for decent daily living. Compromises

too. Pain free would be great but I am at the point of lesser pain

would be terrific – not as intrusive. Like you, dealing with foods and

drugs is a constant effort of attention. I rather be focusing my

energy of needs somewhere else and not have to draw attention or

inconvenience anyone. Or suffer because I didn’t speak up or request

something different or refuse something I shouldn’t have. There are too

many No,s and I can’t’s. And then there’s that attitude I have.

Just take a pill and get on with it.

 

I wish I knew where to find these medical issues in

charts. I think one needs to study Medical Astrology to understand house,

planets and transits to understand what is triggering what from a base line of

a Astrology chart as a whole. I would think that sidereally would be

better than Tropical because it is much better at event breakdown.. Just

a thought. Would love to hear from others to on this topic of Medical

Astrology and how to find it in charts. Maybe could help with managing if

not stop something or direct one to further medical assistance if complicated

or ensuing.

 

Well, that ended up being too much information. But,

important topic for assessing Astrology charts. Too, I am going to ask my

doctor about your treatments that you have had. Good to network with

others for info. And advice for what works and doesn’t. Thanks!

 

Debra

 

 

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Dear Deb and Patrice ...

 

Deb, so sorry to hear about your health probs. They sound wretched. I would recommend rotating, and in your case, rotating everything. That's what I used to do in my mid to late 40s and early 50s. Rotate grains, veggies, fruits, maybe even seasonings. Avoid anything with mold (strong cheeses, for example), mushrooms, vinegar, chocolate. Maybe no yeast. Maybe no sugar. I discovered all kinds of grains I'd never tried before ... quinoa, millet, amaranth. I ate roots like tarot for starch. You become adventurous and creative. Now I only have to rotate the meaty type things ... also I only eat a little chocolate once a week for a special treat. I also am careful with mushrooms and never eat strong cheeses like sharp cheddar and blue cheese ... anything aged. Never drink coffee but take a fraction of a caffiene tablet if I'm sleepy in the daytime. Caffiene is really, really hard to get of off. Tea once in a while. No alcohol ever.

 

Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers. Have you ever been checked for candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps you could go to a naturopath. I believe in allopathic AND alternative medicine. Whatever works. Life is too precious to have it ruined by chronic pain. Do you still live in the Chicago area? There's probably a huge selection of alternative medical practioners there.

 

Patrice, thank you so much for you good guidance. It's great to be able to help each other out.

 

If I could have one bit of advice to offer all women, it would be "Don't take the bc pill!". I think it's one thing that contributed to my migs, even thought I wasn't on it anymore when they starting getting really bad. My theory is that by adding extra hormones to your system, you become sensitized to those hormones ... even the ones you produce yourself. Then you develop, in effect, an autoimmune response to them. Then factor in allergies and you have a real problem.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

Debra Mehren [dqm51]Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: RE: Greetings

 

 

Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

 

Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well. Keep us posted to your welfare.

 

I’m racing off to order Amazon for your book recommendations. Also, yes, there is a ch. Med dr ½ hour away. I think I will try and acupuncture possibility. Have you ever had that nerve test done. It’s where they stick you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere to see if your nerve function is still right on. Horrible. So, when it comes to acupuncture, I have been a little leery because of the needles and its ensuing pain. But you know, there is just too many good things going on in alternative meds that I just can’t ignore or not give priority attention too. Just think, pain free! Yeah! I’ll settle for relief J

 

Charak is good. I am going to order this book too! I am fascinated with you work with the Nashastras. This is an area that I have not really investigated. But, maybe I should for better understanding and prediction. Or event synthesis. I would like to hear more. How did you start and go about it. Is there a book or reference to understand the Nashastra stars. I have one book. It is very small. Purple cover. Nashastra title. Need to go look. Anyway, it is the only book I have come across that explains this Vedic meaning of it’s stars and I think there is something valid to it in deciphering Vedic charts and personalities along with events. Also you study and work into Medical Astrology. How you have helped, where you see a lot of things in the chart cropping up etc. it is a whole other area of exploration, isn’t it?!

 

Debra

 

 

 

Patrice Curry [patricecurry] Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Greetings

 

 

Dear Debra and Bettina,

Am really sorry to hear about your terrible migraines and headaches. My heart goes out to you both. I did have migraines, but was very fortunate to find it was an allergy to caffeine and was able to rid myself of it and using caffeine so I have been really lucky, no more migraines.

Want to give you the name of a book that has been very helpful for me - got it when I had them, but had already discovered the caffeine problem, but have used the book with others and it has been very good. Book title: An Alternative Medicine Definitive Guide to Headaches by Robert Milne, MD, and Blake More with Burton Goldberg. A friend of mine has a similar story to yours Debra, and she has since also found this book very helpful.

Also want to mention that I had a frozen shoulder this year and finally went to an acupuncturist. Had always resisted them as I hate needles... even though I had heard, as we all have, how remarkable peoples experiences are. Finally I was at the Chinese herbalist and stumbled into an acupuncturist. Immediately my shoulder improved. I hadn't slept other than a couple hours a night in around 6 months, awful, and following began sleeping full nights again that very night and it has continued throughout, no more problem. I did see her one more time about 5 days later for another treatment after the major success with sleeping and in gaining more improvement for my shoulder.

I don't know if you've tried that but something to consider. Also my father had cluster migraines and he went to one and then never had them again. Really sounds too good to be true, but did work, and he was someone I would think would never see an acupuncturist or had any faith in them. I know he did get a terrible, terrible headache following it, but then that was the end of them.

My interest in astrology centered on medical, and I'm still interested in it. There are many good books, one of which all recommend is: Essentials of Medical Astrology, by Dr. KS Charak.

It was this interest that has taken me more and more into the nakshatras and there are some excellent books on this looking into health. That is how I began to focus more towards KP. I don't think you necessarily need to use KP at all for health, but the books give some very exact locations, etc., for the different nakshatras and which pada, etc..

My friend troubled with migraines for over 20 years also has found the rotation of foods to be helpful. She too has this allergy to caffeine, but has had a very difficult time giving it up as the Excedrin is what helped her pain. She is in process right now of still trying to get completely off caffeine after taking it for years. Rahu currently is on her ascendant, Aries. She is an Ashwini, and Mars debilitated in Rasi chart. Saturn is R in 7H exalted, giving both 7H aspect on ascendant and 10H aspect on Mars. NRahu also giving 5H aspect on ascendant.

I'm no expert but do feel that finding the causes via the chart and then using that to help is important for medical situations and can make a difference.

Best wishes with all health wishes to you,

Patrice

__________

Bet….

 

I have a long history with migraines. Started as a young teenager. Got worse as I got older. Then the hormonal changes of pregnancy and such. I am classified as having daily classic migraines with cluster break outs. I have been on a number of meds. Then started seeing a headache specialist in 1992. Some years have been better than others with a wider variety of preventable medicines, shots, meds for when the headaches would be bad to daily medicine maintenance to keep severity of headaches from being incapacitating. To a variety of treatments. A lot of meds, a lot of money, a lot of daily meds, a lot of compromise for alertness and energy. And, I think a great toll on my body physically in the long run because of all the chemicals playing on physical operation of body. I have always maintained that I have a lot of allergies (63 foods, multi Drugs & environmental) along with chronic sinus infections that complicates the whole situation if not really being the cause. I am on medicines for those too. I am so sensitive to drugs that I have gone into drug induced hepatitis four times in last 24 years.

 

Then, last Spring I had a 6 hour pulmonary ablation done for my Atria Fib and high blood pressure. I was actually headache free for two months. I can’t tell you what a difference it made in my life. The world took on a whole new color!!! I was told that there is a vein that was cauterized that often is responsible for the vascular dilation that contributes to Migraines. But since, my headaches are back. I go through waves of days and weeks and then clear for awhile. Have only been taking a migraine med when needed last 12 months but almost daily now sometimes two a day with Vicodin added on really bad days. I am off to my headache specialist next week who coincidentally I have not seen since ablation (first time since 1992) last year to be reevaluated again. I can’t wait. The headaches need to be better controlled with different preventive or long term meds. Taking too much of migraine med now which is not good for heart either. Also, the ablation is not holding the Atrial fib and high blood pressure, so I think all that contributes. And will have to be delt with. Probably more surgery sooner if not later. Vicious circle.

 

I was curious about your rotation of food. I think that’s a really good idea. I think I am going to try it. Also, if your being in drier weather helps. Right now as I write this, the rainy season has hit my part of the country and the wetness, mold; weeds etc. being in a wooded area is bad. I was hoping too that “age” would have taken care of most of the headaches by now but so far No. Maybe in a few more years. At least I am hoping only a few more years to go to see the other end of change. But with heart affected now too and other health complications (hyperthyroid and spine) I don’t think the headaches or other problems are ever really going to go away. So, it is a matter of getting a better handle on chronic health issues for decent daily living. Compromises too. Pain free would be great but I am at the point of lesser pain would be terrific – not as intrusive. Like you, dealing with foods and drugs is a constant effort of attention. I rather be focusing my energy of needs somewhere else and not have to draw attention or inconvenience anyone. Or suffer because I didn’t speak up or request something different or refuse something I shouldn’t have. There are too many No,s and I can’t’s. And then there’s that attitude I have. Just take a pill and get on with it.

 

I wish I knew where to find these medical issues in charts. I think one needs to study Medical Astrology to understand house, planets and transits to understand what is triggering what from a base line of a Astrology chart as a whole. I would think that sidereally would be better than Tropical because it is much better at event breakdown.. Just a thought. Would love to hear from others to on this topic of Medical Astrology and how to find it in charts. Maybe could help with managing if not stop something or direct one to further medical assistance if complicated or ensuing.

 

Well, that ended up being too much information. But, important topic for assessing Astrology charts. Too, I am going to ask my doctor about your treatments that you have had. Good to network with others for info. And advice for what works and doesn’t. Thanks!

 

Debra

 

 

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Hi

Bettina,

 

I am

going to try and also investigate  all your suggestions.  It can sometimes seem

so overwhelming to start again with someone new and then to try and balance all

the other doctors advice and meds.  Have you ever had anyone ever say to you

that they just don’t know how you go on? Or one would never know you have gone

through so much  if they didn’t know the inside details.  Or how is this one –

How do you ever do it – I would never be able to survive – or get on with it.  

I often find myself just standing there dumb founded but thinking – I don’t

know any different And, it’s my family that keep me going because it’s not just

about me.  But, oh boy, would I like to feel good just one day to feel what

others are comparing to.   It is amazing how we all cope and “get one with it”

!!!!!!!!!

 

I

have often felt I have a yeast problem or something similar.  I tend to crave

sugar. Or need it.  Straight sugar not gooey starchy sugar.  Just sugar.  Too, 

I go in waves for caffeine.  I have had to cut back and go without at times

because of Heart.  Alcohol too!  Sometimes, these changes make a difference but

not enough to hold me.  Now, I try to watch more carefully what I put in my

mouth.  What a pain..  In more ways than one!!!!!

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

 

Bettina

[chiria]

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:57

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Dear Deb and Patrice ...

 

 

 

 

 

Deb, so sorry to hear about your

health probs. They sound wretched. I would recommend

rotating, and in your case, rotating everything. That's what I used to do

in my mid to late 40s and early 50s. Rotate grains, veggies, fruits,

maybe even seasonings. Avoid anything with mold (strong cheeses,

for example), mushrooms, vinegar, chocolate. Maybe no yeast. Maybe

no sugar. I discovered all kinds of grains I'd never tried before ... quinoa,

millet, amaranth. I ate roots like tarot for starch. You become

adventurous and creative. Now I only have to rotate the meaty type things

.... also I only eat a little chocolate once a week for a special treat. I

also am careful with mushrooms and never eat strong cheeses like sharp cheddar

and blue cheese ... anything aged. Never drink coffee but take a fraction

of a caffiene tablet if I'm sleepy in the daytime. Caffiene is really,

really hard to get of off. Tea once in a while. No alcohol

ever.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers.

Have you ever been checked for candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps

you could go to a naturopath. I believe in allopathic AND alternative

medicine. Whatever works. Life is too precious to have it ruined by

chronic pain. Do you still live in the Chicago area? There's

probably a huge selection of alternative medical practioners there.

 

 

 

 

 

Patrice, thank you so much for you

good guidance. It's great to be able to help each other out.

 

 

 

 

 

If I could have one bit of advice to

offer all women, it would be " Don't take the bc pill! " . I think

it's one thing that contributed to my migs, even thought I wasn't on it anymore

when they starting getting really bad. My theory is that by adding extra

hormones to your system, you become sensitized to those hormones ... even the

ones you produce yourself. Then you develop, in effect,

an autoimmune response to them. Then factor in allergies and you have a

real problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original

Message-----

Debra Mehren [dqm51]

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:43

PM

 

RE:

Greetings

 

 

Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

 

Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well.

Keep us posted to your welfare.

 

I’m racing off to order Amazon for your book

recommendations. Also, yes, there is a ch. Med dr ½ hour away. I think I

will try and acupuncture possibility. Have you ever had that nerve test done.

It’s where they stick you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere to see if

your nerve function is still right on. Horrible. So, when it comes

to acupuncture, I have been a little leery because of the needles and its

ensuing pain. But you know, there is just too many good things going on

in alternative meds that I just can’t ignore or not give priority attention

too. Just think, pain free! Yeah! I’ll settle for relief J

 

Charak is good. I am going to order this book

too! I am fascinated with you work with the Nashastras. This is an

area that I have not really investigated. But, maybe I should for better

understanding and prediction. Or event synthesis. I would like to

hear more. How did you start and go about it. Is there a book or reference

to understand the Nashastra stars. I have one book. It is very

small. Purple cover. Nashastra title. Need to go look.

Anyway, it is the only book I have come across that explains this Vedic meaning

of it’s stars and I think there is something valid to it in deciphering Vedic

charts and personalities along with events. Also you study and work into

Medical Astrology. How you have helped, where you see a lot of things in

the chart cropping up etc. it is a whole other area of exploration, isn’t

it?!

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

 

Patrice Curry

[patricecurry]

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:15

PM

 

Re:

Greetings

 

 

Dear Debra and Bettina,

Am really sorry to hear about your terrible migraines and

headaches. My heart goes out to you both. I did have migraines, but was very

fortunate to find it was an allergy to caffeine and was able to rid myself of

it and using caffeine so I have been really lucky, no more migraines.

Want to give you the name of a book that has been very

helpful for me - got it when I had them, but had already discovered the

caffeine problem, but have used the book with others and it has been very good.

Book title: An

Alternative Medicine Definitive Guide to Headaches by

Robert Milne, MD, and Blake More with Burton Goldberg. A friend of

mine has a similar story to yours Debra, and she has since

also found this book very helpful.

Also want to mention that I had a frozen shoulder this year

and finally went to an acupuncturist. Had always resisted them as I hate

needles... even though I had heard, as we all have, how remarkable peoples

experiences are. Finally I was at the Chinese herbalist and stumbled into an

acupuncturist. Immediately my shoulder improved. I hadn't slept other than a

couple hours a night in around 6 months, awful, and

following began sleeping full nights again that very night and it has

continued throughout, no more problem. I did see her one more time about 5

days later for another treatment after the major success with sleeping and

in gaining more improvement for my shoulder.

I don't know if you've tried that but something to consider.

Also my father had cluster migraines and he went to one and then never had them

again. Really sounds too good to be true, but did work, and he was someone I

would think would never see an acupuncturist or had any faith in them. I know

he did get a terrible, terrible headache following it, but then that was the

end of them.

My interest in astrology centered on medical, and I'm still

interested in it. There are many good books, one of which all recommend is: Essentials of Medical

Astrology, by Dr. KS Charak.

It was this interest that has taken me more and more into the

nakshatras and there are some excellent books on this looking into health. That

is how I began to focus more towards KP. I don't think you necessarily

need to use KP at all for health, but the books give some very exact locations,

etc., for the different nakshatras and which pada, etc..

My friend troubled with migraines for over 20 years also has

found the rotation of foods to be helpful. She too has this allergy to

caffeine, but has had a very difficult time giving it up as the Excedrin is

what helped her pain. She is in process right now of still trying to get

completely off caffeine after taking it for years. Rahu currently is on her

ascendant, Aries. She is an Ashwini, and Mars debilitated in Rasi chart. Saturn

is R in 7H exalted, giving both 7H aspect on ascendant and 10H aspect on Mars. NRahu

also giving 5H aspect on ascendant.

I'm no expert but do feel that finding the causes

via the chart and then using that to help is important for medical

situations and can make a difference.

Best wishes with all health wishes to you,

Patrice

__________

Bet….

 

I have a long history with migraines. Started as a

young teenager. Got worse as I got older. Then the hormonal changes

of pregnancy and such. I am classified as having daily classic

migraines with cluster break outs. I have been on a number of meds.

Then started seeing a headache specialist in 1992. Some years have been

better than others with a wider variety of preventable medicines, shots, meds

for when the headaches would be bad to daily medicine maintenance to keep

severity of headaches from being incapacitating. To a variety of

treatments. A lot of meds, a lot of money, a lot of daily meds, a

lot of compromise for alertness and energy. And, I think a great toll on

my body physically in the long run because of all the chemicals playing on

physical operation of body. I have always maintained that I have a lot of

allergies (63 foods, multi Drugs & environmental) along with chronic sinus

infections that complicates the whole situation if not really being the cause.

I am on medicines for those too. I am so sensitive to drugs

that I have gone into drug induced hepatitis four times in last 24 years.

 

Then, last Spring I had a 6 hour pulmonary ablation

done for my Atria Fib and high blood pressure. I was actually headache

free for two months. I can’t tell you what a difference it made in my

life. The world took on a whole new color!!! I was told that there

is a vein that was cauterized that often is responsible for the vascular

dilation that contributes to Migraines. But since, my headaches are

back. I go through waves of days and weeks and then clear for

awhile. Have only been taking a migraine med when needed last 12 months

but almost daily now sometimes two a day with Vicodin added on really bad days.

I am off to my headache specialist next week who coincidentally I have

not seen since ablation (first time since 1992) last year to be reevaluated

again. I can’t wait. The headaches need to be better controlled

with different preventive or long term meds. Taking too much of migraine

med now which is not good for heart either. Also, the

ablation is not holding the Atrial fib and high blood pressure, so I think all

that contributes. And will have to be delt with. Probably

more surgery sooner if not later. Vicious circle.

 

I was curious about your rotation of food. I

think that’s a really good idea. I think I am going to try it.

Also, if your being in drier weather helps. Right now as I write this,

the rainy season has hit my part of the country and the wetness, mold; weeds

etc. being in a wooded area is bad. I was hoping too that

“age” would have taken care of most of the headaches by now but so far No.

Maybe in a few more years. At least I am hoping only a few more years to

go to see the other end of change. But with heart affected now too and

other health complications (hyperthyroid and spine) I don’t think the headaches

or other problems are ever really going to go away. So, it is a matter of

getting a better handle on chronic health issues for decent daily living. Compromises

too. Pain free would be great but I am at the point of lesser pain

would be terrific – not as intrusive. Like you, dealing with foods and

drugs is a constant effort of attention. I rather be focusing my

energy of needs somewhere else and not have to draw attention or

inconvenience anyone. Or suffer because I didn’t speak up or request

something different or refuse something I shouldn’t have. There are too

many No,s and I can’t’s. And then there’s that attitude I have.

Just take a pill and get on with it.

 

I wish I knew where to find these medical issues in

charts. I think one needs to study Medical Astrology to understand house,

planets and transits to understand what is triggering what from a base line of

a Astrology chart as a whole. I would think that sidereally would be

better than Tropical because it is much better at event breakdown.. Just

a thought. Would love to hear from others to on this topic of Medical

Astrology and how to find it in charts. Maybe could help with managing if

not stop something or direct one to further medical assistance if complicated

or ensuing.

 

Well, that ended up being too much information. But,

important topic for assessing Astrology charts. Too, I am going to ask my

doctor about your treatments that you have had. Good to network with

others for info. And advice for what works and doesn’t. Thanks!

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Debra and Bettina,

Boy, you two have really been through it - awful. Migraines are crippling. I know that my friend, that has always suffered them and is having a terrible time getting free of caffeine, had trouble believing that she could be headache free after trying so many things and attending headache clinics, etc... I have found caffeine often to be a huge one for people to get away from, for improvement from migraines, but also a very difficult one to get off of as you have said Bettina - hugely so for many. None of the allopathic medicines or docs were able to help her, and she had done quite a bit over the years so it can feel defeating after trying it all. She relied on Excedrin to "just get through" these years for so long now. She has an addiction to it and it is very, very tough to break.

No Debra, I haven't ever had the nerve test done. I was though very freaked about needles, use to faint as a child when they gave me shots ;-) My experience though with the acupuncturist was that the needles were no problem whatsoever, not painful, hardly felt them. And I was freaked still about them a bit when I went in.

The frozen shoulder is what causes no sleep and I was just finally so exhausted, and then ran into this situation so I tried it. I had been getting messages from people regarding how it really worked for frozen shoulders, and other positive feedback regarding acupuncture was coming at me from all directions ;-) so I finally just did it. It truly was amazing to then immediately begin sleeping again and the shoulder so much improved, no pain. All that remained was to work it and exercise it to regain my complete range of movement, which I'm now doing. The movement was also better right away following the acupuncture. Thanks for your kind wishes.

Remarkably following acupuncture, as this is my 2nd frozen shoulder and I hadn't tried it with my first (went to physical therapy on that one and it lasted MUCH longer as they usually last a minimum of a year) my shoulder just got stronger and stronger and the atrophy that happens went away completely, which is what causes much of the pain. For this one, astrologically, Saturn in my 11H, left shoulder... My right shoulder happened yes! when Saturn was in my 9H aspecting 3rd...

A friend of mine wrote a couple of wonderful books on women's health, one on menopause and has traveled the world to attend women's health gatherings as a Women's Health promoter in NZ, where the government gives classes and courses regarding women's health. She said that frozen shoulders are in fact also a hormone related thing in many, many cases. Apparently in Japan where women don't suffer many of the symptoms that are common in the west of peri-menopause and menopause, interestingly they have a high incident of frozen shoulders... And as I spent important years for learning diet, cooking, etc. between 18 and 30 mostly in Hawaii, and am vegetarian, I very much have always had an Asian diet. I also haven't had the more common western symptoms.

I use homeopathy as well and have had good experience with it, especially in acute situations. It has also been helping my friend deal with the acute symptoms in giving up caffeine. Caffeine is actually a surprisingly amazingly strong drug after all, and she has experienced fevers, sick feeling, aching, etc.. and the homeopathy is helping her. I don't know if you've tried that as well Debra.

I will continue on another post regarding your questions on nakshatra books and medical astrology, some experiences and the way I started on it.. Yes! it's very exciting! I'm glad you found the info helpful and are getting the books, great! The purple one you mentioned is by Dennis Harness. Bepin Behari has written some good ones and also there are tapes. One of the best things too is in Parashara's Light, in the "Astrology Lessons", there is all kinds of wonderful info on them there, even descriptions of all the deities of the nakshatras. All the basic books also give good basic info on them, such as Ernst Wilhelm's Vault of the Heavens, and Defouw and Svoboda's Light on Life. More soon.

I must get to something here tonight so will return on this info asap.

Wise words Bettina... thank you so much for your sharing as well.

Kindest wishes,

Patrice

________________________________

Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well. Keep us posted to your welfare.

I’m racing off to order Amazon for your book recommendations. Also, yes, there is a ch. Med dr ½ hour away. I think I will try and acupuncture possibility. Have you ever had that nerve test done. It’s where they stick you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere to see if your nerve function is still right on. Horrible. So, when it comes to acupuncture, I have been a little leery because of the needles and its ensuing pain. But you know, there is just too many good things going on in alternative meds that I just can’t ignore or not give priority attention too. Just think, pain free! Yeah! I’ll settle for relief J

Charak is good. I am going to order this book too! I am fascinated with you work with the Nashastras. This is an area that I have not really investigated. But, maybe I should for better understanding and prediction. Or event synthesis. I would like to hear more. How did you start and go about it. Is there a book or reference to understand the Nashastra stars. I have one book. It is very small. Purple cover. Nashastra title. Need to go look. Anyway, it is the only book I have come across that explains this Vedic meaning of it’s stars and I think there is something valid to it in deciphering Vedic charts and personalities along with events. Also you study and work into Medical Astrology. How you have helped, where you see a lot of things in the chart cropping up etc. it is a whole other area of exploration, isn’t it?!

Debra

Dear Deb and Patrice ...

 

Deb, so sorry to hear about your health probs. They sound wretched. I would recommend rotating, and in your case, rotating everything. That's what I used to do in my mid to late 40s and early 50s. Rotate grains, veggies, fruits, maybe even seasonings. Avoid anything with mold (strong cheeses, for example), mushrooms, vinegar, chocolate. Maybe no yeast. Maybe no sugar. I discovered all kinds of grains I'd never tried before ... quinoa, millet, amaranth. I ate roots like tarot for starch. You become adventurous and creative. Now I only have to rotate the meaty type things ... also I only eat a little chocolate once a week for a special treat. I also am careful with mushrooms and never eat strong cheeses like sharp cheddar and blue cheese ... anything aged. Never drink coffee but take a fraction of a caffiene tablet if I'm sleepy in the daytime. Caffiene is really, really hard to get of off. Tea once in a while. No alcohol ever.

 

Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers. Have you ever been checked for candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps you could go to a naturopath. I believe in allopathic AND alternative medicine. Whatever works. Life is too precious to have it ruined by chronic pain. Do you still live in the Chicago area? There's probably a huge selection of alternative medical practioners there.

 

Patrice, thank you so much for you good guidance. It's great to be able to help each other out.

 

If I could have one bit of advice to offer all women, it would be "Don't take the bc pill!". I think it's one thing that contributed to my migs, even thought I wasn't on it anymore when they starting getting really bad. My theory is that by adding extra hormones to your system, you become sensitized to those hormones ... even the ones you produce yourself. Then you develop, in effect, an autoimmune response to them. Then factor in allergies and you have a real problem.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

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Patrice

 

All

wonderful information AND it’s great to share too.

 Amazing

what one has to share with others, isn’t it?!

Will

look for you on other forumns.   Would you like to share where you are?

 

Thanks

 

Debra

 

 

 

 

Patrice Curry

[patricecurry]

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 5:55

PM

 

Re:

Greetings

 

 

Hi Debra and Bettina,

Boy, you two have really been through it - awful. Migraines

are crippling. I know that my friend, that has always suffered them and

is having a terrible time getting free of caffeine, had trouble believing that

she could be headache free after trying so many things and attending headache

clinics, etc... I have found caffeine often to be a huge one for people to get

away from, for improvement from migraines, but also a very difficult one to get

off of as you have said Bettina - hugely so for many. None of the

allopathic medicines or docs were able to help her, and she had done quite a

bit over the years so it can feel defeating after trying it all. She

relied on Excedrin to " just get through " these years for so long now.

She has an addiction to it and it is very, very tough to break.

No Debra, I haven't ever had the nerve test done. I was

though very freaked about needles, use to faint as a child when they gave me

shots ;-) My experience though with the acupuncturist was that the needles were

no problem whatsoever, not painful, hardly felt them. And I was freaked still

about them a bit when I went in.

The frozen shoulder is what causes no sleep and I was just

finally so exhausted, and then ran into this situation so I tried it. I had

been getting messages from people regarding how it really worked for

frozen shoulders, and other positive feedback regarding acupuncture was

coming at me from all directions ;-) so I finally just did it. It truly was

amazing to then immediately

begin sleeping again and the shoulder so much improved,

no pain. All that remained was to work it and exercise it to regain my complete range

of movement, which I'm now doing. The movement was also better right away

following the acupuncture. Thanks for your kind wishes.

Remarkably following acupuncture, as this is my 2nd frozen

shoulder and I hadn't tried it with my first (went to physical therapy on that

one and it lasted MUCH longer as they usually last a minimum of a year) my

shoulder just got stronger and stronger and the atrophy that happens went away

completely, which is what causes much of the pain. For this one,

astrologically, Saturn in my 11H, left shoulder... My right shoulder happened

yes! when Saturn was in my 9H aspecting 3rd...

A friend of mine wrote a couple of wonderful books on women's

health, one on menopause and has traveled the world to attend women's

health gatherings as a Women's Health promoter in NZ, where the government

gives classes and courses regarding women's health. She said that frozen

shoulders are in fact also a hormone related thing in many, many cases.

Apparently in Japan where women don't suffer many of the symptoms that are

common in the west of peri-menopause and menopause, interestingly they have a

high incident of frozen shoulders... And as I spent important years for

learning diet, cooking, etc. between 18 and 30 mostly in Hawaii, and am

vegetarian, I very much have always had an Asian diet. I also haven't

had the more common western symptoms.

I use homeopathy as well and have had good experience with

it, especially in acute situations. It has also been helping my friend deal

with the acute symptoms in giving up caffeine. Caffeine is actually a

surprisingly amazingly strong drug after all, and she has experienced fevers,

sick feeling, aching, etc.. and the homeopathy is helping her. I don't know if

you've tried that as well Debra.

I will continue on another post regarding your questions on nakshatra

books and medical astrology, some experiences and the way I started on it..

Yes! it's very exciting! I'm glad you found the info helpful and are getting

the books, great! The purple one you mentioned is by Dennis Harness. Bepin Behari

has written some good ones and also there are tapes. One of the best things too

is in Parashara's Light, in the " Astrology Lessons " , there is

all kinds of wonderful info on them there, even descriptions of all

the deities of the nakshatras. All the basic books also give good basic info on

them, such as Ernst Wilhelm's Vault of the Heavens, and Defouw

and Svoboda's Light

on Life. More soon.

I must get to something here tonight so will return

on this info asap.

Wise words Bettina... thank you so much for your sharing

as well.

Kindest wishes,

Patrice

________________________________

Oh, Patrice, your report is fantastic!!!

Hope frozen shoulder and sleep continue to be well.

Keep us posted to your welfare.

I’m racing off to order Amazon for your book

recommendations. Also, yes, there is a ch. Med dr ½ hour away. I think I

will try and acupuncture possibility. Have you ever had that nerve test done.

It’s where they stick you with a bunch of needles (EMG) everywhere to see if

your nerve function is still right on. Horrible. So, when it comes

to acupuncture, I have been a little leery because of the needles and its

ensuing pain. But you know, there is just too many good things going on

in alternative meds that I just can’t ignore or not give priority attention

too. Just think, pain free! Yeah! I’ll settle for relief J

Charak is good. I am going to order this book

too! I am fascinated with you work with the Nashastras. This is an

area that I have not really investigated. But, maybe I should for better

understanding and prediction. Or event synthesis. I would like to

hear more. How did you start and go about it. Is there a book or

reference to understand the Nashastra stars. I have one book. It is

very small. Purple cover. Nashastra title. Need to go

look. Anyway, it is the only book I have come across that explains this

Vedic meaning of it’s stars and I think there is something valid to it in

deciphering Vedic charts and personalities along with events. Also you

study and work into Medical Astrology. How you have helped, where you see

a lot of things in the chart cropping up etc. it is a whole other area of

exploration, isn’t it?!

Debra

 

Dear Deb and Patrice ...

 

 

 

 

 

Deb, so sorry to hear about your health probs. They

sound wretched. I would recommend rotating, and in your case,

rotating everything. That's what I used to do in my mid to late 40s and

early 50s. Rotate grains, veggies, fruits, maybe even

seasonings. Avoid anything with mold (strong cheeses, for example),

mushrooms, vinegar, chocolate. Maybe no yeast. Maybe no sugar. I

discovered all kinds of grains I'd never tried before ... quinoa, millet, amaranth.

I ate roots like tarot for starch. You become adventurous and

creative. Now I only have to rotate the meaty type things ... also I only

eat a little chocolate once a week for a special treat. I also am careful

with mushrooms and never eat strong cheeses like sharp cheddar and blue cheese

.... anything aged. Never drink coffee but take a fraction of a caffiene

tablet if I'm sleepy in the daytime. Caffiene is really, really hard to

get of off. Tea once in a while. No alcohol ever.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, molds are terrible for mig. sufferers. Have you

ever been checked for candida (yeast in your system)? Perhaps you could

go to a naturopath. I believe in allopathic AND alternative

medicine. Whatever works. Life is too precious to have it ruined by

chronic pain. Do you still live in the Chicago area? There's

probably a huge selection of alternative medical practioners there.

 

 

 

 

 

Patrice, thank you so much for you good guidance. It's

great to be able to help each other out.

 

 

 

 

 

If I could have one bit of advice to offer all women, it

would be " Don't take the bc pill! " . I think it's one thing that

contributed to my migs, even thought I wasn't on it anymore when they starting

getting really bad. My theory is that by adding extra hormones to your

system, you become sensitized to those hormones ... even the ones you produce

yourself. Then you develop, in effect, an autoimmune

response to them. Then factor in allergies and you have a real problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

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