Guest guest Report post Posted July 1, 2007 Dear Ramadas Rao, This is interesting. It is for the first time that I am hearing someone confidently talk about the aspects of retrograde planets being different. I will pay attention to what you have said and check it out. As a student of Science, I can understand that there will be definitive difference in electromagnetic force frequency experienced at a point caused by a planet relative in motion from the point of measurement. This effect is called " Doppler Effect " in Physics. To understand what is Doppler Effect, one could look at the following web site: http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/doppler.html It is clear that there will be difference in the influence of a planet in direct motion as against a planet which is moving away relative to earth. But, the question is how to map " Doppler Effect " of retrograde planets in Astrology. What you have suggest could be the answer. More research needs to be done in this area to understand the effect systematically. Regards, Krishna --- HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: > Dear Prafulla Ji, > Yes, 8 signs and you apply and see how it works. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > > : > jyotish: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:17:22 -0800Subject: > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > > Dear Ramdas jiSo when retrograde - planet look at previous > sign (12th house) or they look from previous sign (so guru > retrograde in taurus - so from aries - it will aspect 5/7/9)? > Now what happens to guru's aspect from taurus? - should it be > considered or not at all. If to be considered ..then will guru > influence 8 signs?regards / Prafulla > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not > automatically include the right to be taken > seriously. " ************************************************> > > ramadasrao > Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:10:27 +0000> To: > > RE: > Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear > Pandit Ji,> Namaste.> Brihat Nadi Astrology by Shri R.G.Rao > mentions about the Vakra Grahas> aspect from the previous > house also.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > To: > :> > navagraha: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:17:18 > -0400Re:> Re: Retrograde > Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Where is it mentioned that > vakri grahas aspect in reverse direction ? Is> there any > support for this?> > ...> On 6/29/07, Prafulla Gang > <jyotish wrote:> > > > > > Dear Ramdas ji,So if > planet is retro - for example venus is retro in> someone's > chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart.> > Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal > chart> analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its > backward aspect (for> its retrogression) from 25th year? Like > wise - if a planet has become> retrograde (for example guru) > in 15th progressed year. So after 15th> year, should we > consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as> > backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla> > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not > automatically> include the right to be taken seriously. " > > ************************************************> > -----Original> Message-----> ramadasrao > Thu, 28 Jun 2007> 20:37:07 +0000> To: > >> RE: > Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear>> > Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate > strong left>> over Karmas > from past life which the native > during his/her death might>> have thought> of.> For example, > in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord>> Shani is Vakra and is> > placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its>> lord Budha > is in 3rd > house in Meena Rashi with Guru and>> > Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30 > years, I am>> working in the same designation.My> friends got > promotions and are in>> very good status.But my monetary > > position is comparitively better than>> my friends.Almost most > of my> earnings are being spent for the family>> and other > close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating>> > family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. > Also I have worked on > this>> matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and > see when it>> becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days> > from the day of birth>> till the Graha becomes direct.Now > consider one day> as one year,so the>> number of days becomes > number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra>> Shani > becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long > awaiting>> Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 > years of > age.This>> means there are some obstacles in my > progress in the life till I>>> complete 81 years of age, if I > live up to that age.But I also found out>>> that after about > 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my >>> > progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also > observed>>> that after about 50% of the total years ie., > around 1992, a steep>>> increase in my life's progress in all > spheres of the life. > Now suppose>> if the person dies before > the stipulated years shown by Vakra>>> Graha,then again that > Karma will be postponed to the next life.>>> Ofcourse,I have > taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some>> success > > in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars>> > in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue > their efforts>> to get some> more deeper connections related > to Vakra Grahas.> With>> Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > To:>> > :> > navagraha:>> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 > -0400Re:>> Re: Retrograde > Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> >>> Isn't the entire horoscope a > mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was>> > no unfinished > karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you>>> > suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha > karma.> > ...>>> On 6/28/07, sunil nair < > astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > >>> > > Hare > krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are>> > concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some > unfinished>> krama or desires from past > lives ,depending on > karakatwas and>> placements and lordships.Along with> other > textual references> mercury>> in her case is in exchange with > jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of>> 5th and 11th lords,so > i dont think bad for her . > rest u know as a>> scholar urself > .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral skills>> > and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational > pursuits>> .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments > from sri .sreenath and>> > others> regrds sunil nair> om > shreem mahalaxmai namah.> --- In>> > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama>> <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > > You said:> >> " Too many>> planets in retrograde may also > indicate that the man> is not >>> dependable (this statement > lacks textual support) " > > Well, my daughter>>> has three > planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I > don't>>> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am > just giving you a data>> > point.> > In any case, as three > planets are retrograde in her chart,>> I>> always see it as a > roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I >>> don't> > understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. > Dr.>> Charak, > in his book, says that retrograde> planets > cause health>> problems.> > Here> are the birth details:> > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB:>> 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be > interested to know how would be her>> Mercury MD,> Mercury > being > one of the retrograde planets.> > I look>> forward to > your comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request>> > as a chart reading request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> --- > Sreenadh>> sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > > Generally >> retrograde is>> considered as good. It is said in > > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in>> retrograde will give > the > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a>> cute > thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * >> > The>> planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > > on a > >>>>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If > the planet is a>>>> malefic, the person will suffer for> > > long, and > > will have to >>>> undertake hard effort even for > small benefits and > > the > > results>>>> would be usually > delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>>>> will > materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is > good, >>>> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > > Thinking astronomically>>>> retrograde is just our assumption > and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>>>> planet is always in > direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> >> the > angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is > more>> and>> we will feel that the planet is in > > > retrograde.> > * For>> inner>> planets when the planet orbits > sun (since the > > earth's > >>> orbit is >> bigger than their > orbit) we will have the feeling> > that>> they > > are>> in > retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the>> above > words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A>> > pictorial description is >> better to> > understand > > the > same] > > >>> > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional > reference we don't > >>> find > > many slokas that are>> > attributed to the discussion of> >>> retrograde > > motion. > They some how >> seems to be satisfied with the>> general > > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for>> > > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results > of>> individual> > planets are > > neither available >> nor > the earlier>> scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much > special>> importance to it.>> > > But still 3 planets in > retrograde generally>> indicate the> >>> presence of > > too > much opposing conditions in the said >> mans life,>> which he> > > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate>> > that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, > even>> though>> delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde > may also indicate >> that>> the man is not dependable> > (this > > > statement lacks textual>>>> support) > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>>>> > , " kankan_73 " > > > kankan_73@>>>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I > would like to know>>>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > > their > > > effects in one's>> >> life.> > > Today, I have > seen a chart in which 3 planets are > >>>>> retrograde. Is > > > there > > > anything special in this. What they>>>> signify. > Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord > >>>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > > theories like>>>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > debilitated > > > and>>>> vise versa. Is there some thing > more than this.> > > Kindly give your >>>> views. > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > >________ >> > >>> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 1, 2007 Namaste, Retro planets are not moving away from earth. They infact are closest to earth when they get retrograde, and the retro speed is fastest when closest to earth. Also Guru affects 8 houses as backward and forward aspects are same houses. If we take aspect from a house behind and take backward aspect as well as forward, then it may affect as many as 10 houses. Do people who propose this take backward as well as forward aspetcs as well as aspect from one house behind ? This will make retro planets affecting entire zodiac in a chart. I don't think we are capturing what is really said in classics. .... On 7/1/07, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,This is interesting. It is for the first time that I am hearingsomeone confidently talk about the aspects of retrograde planetsbeing different. I will pay attention to what you have said and check it out.As a student of Science, I can understand that there will bedefinitive difference in electromagnetic force frequencyexperienced at a point caused by a planet relative in motionfrom the point of measurement. This effect is called " Doppler Effect " in Physics. To understand what is Doppler Effect, onecould look at the following web site: http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/doppler.htmlIt is clear that there will be difference in the influence of aplanet in direct motion as against a planet which is moving awayrelative to earth. But, the question is how to map " Doppler Effect " of retrograde planets in Astrology.What you have suggest could be the answer. More research needsto be done in this area to understand the effect systematically.Regards,Krishna --- HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:> Dear Prafulla Ji, > Yes, 8 signs and you apply and see how it works.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > :> jyotish: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:17:22 -0800Subject: > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > Dear Ramdas jiSo when retrograde - planet look at previous> sign (12th house) or they look from previous sign (so guru > retrograde in taurus - so from aries - it will aspect 5/7/9)?> Now what happens to guru's aspect from taurus? - should it be> considered or not at all. If to be considered ..then will guru> influence 8 signs?regards / Prafulla > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not> automatically include the right to be taken> seriously. " ************************************************> > > ramadasrao> Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:10:27 +0000> To: > > RE:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear > Pandit Ji,> Namaste.> Brihat Nadi Astrology by Shri R.G.Rao> mentions about the Vakra Grahas> aspect from the previous> house also.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > To:> :>> navagraha: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:17:18> -0400Re:> Re: Retrograde> Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Where is it mentioned that> vakri grahas aspect in reverse direction ? Is> there any > support for this?> > ...> On 6/29/07, Prafulla Gang> <jyotish wrote:> > > > > > Dear Ramdas ji,So if > planet is retro - for example venus is retro in> someone's> chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart.>> Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal > chart> analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its> backward aspect (for> its retrogression) from 25th year? Like> wise - if a planet has become> retrograde (for example guru)> in 15th progressed year. So after 15th> year, should we > consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as>> backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla>> Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not> automatically> include the right to be taken seriously. " > > ************************************************>> -----Original> Message-----> ramadasrao> Thu, 28 Jun 2007> 20:37:07 +0000> To:> >> RE:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear>>> Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate> strong left>> over Karmas > from past life which the native > during his/her death might>> have thought> of.> For example,> in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord>> Shani is Vakra and is>> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its>> lord Budha > is in 3rd > house in Meena Rashi with Guru and>>> Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30> years, I am>> working in the same designation.My> friends got> promotions and are in>> very good status.But my monetary >> position is comparitively better than>> my friends.Almost most> of my> earnings are being spent for the family>> and other> close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating>> > family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. > Also I have worked on> this>> matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and> see when it>> becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days> > from the day of birth>> till the Graha becomes direct.Now> consider one day> as one year,so the>> number of days becomes> number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra>> Shani > becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long> awaiting>> Karma from the previous life till I complete 81> years of > age.This>> means there are some obstacles in my > progress in the life till I>>> complete 81 years of age, if I> live up to that age.But I also found out>>> that after about> 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my >>> > progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also> observed>>> that after about 50% of the total years ie.,> around 1992, a steep>>> increase in my life's progress in all > spheres of the life. > Now suppose>> if the person dies before> the stipulated years shown by Vakra>>> Graha,then again that> Karma will be postponed to the next life.>>> Ofcourse,I have > taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some>> success >> in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars>>> in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue > their efforts>> to get some> more deeper connections related> to Vakra Grahas.> With>> Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > To:>>> :>> navagraha:>> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 > -0400Re:>> Re: Retrograde> Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> >>> Isn't the entire horoscope a> mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was>> > no unfinished > karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you>>>> suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha> karma.> > ...>>> On 6/28/07, sunil nair <> astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > >>> > > Hare> krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are>>> concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some > unfinished>> krama or desires from past > lives ,depending on> karakatwas and>> placements and lordships.Along with> other> textual references> mercury>> in her case is in exchange with > jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of>> 5th and 11th lords,so> i dont think bad for her . > rest u know as a>> scholar urself> .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral skills>> > and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational> pursuits>> .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments> from sri .sreenath and>> > others> regrds sunil nair> om > shreem mahalaxmai namah.> --- In>>> , Krishnamurthy>> Seetharama>> <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > >> You said:> >> " Too many>> planets in retrograde may also> indicate that the man> is not >>> dependable (this statement > lacks textual support) " > > Well, my daughter>>> has three> planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I> don't>>> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am > just giving you a data>> > point.> > In any case, as three> planets are retrograde in her chart,>> I>> always see it as a> roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I >>> don't> > understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde.> Dr.>> Charak, > in his book, says that retrograde> planets> cause health>> problems.> > Here> are the birth details:> > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB:>> 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be> interested to know how would be her>> Mercury MD,> Mercury> being > one of the retrograde planets.> > I look>> forward to > your comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request>>> as a chart reading request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> ---> Sreenadh>> sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > > Generally >> retrograde is>> considered as good. It is said in> > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in>> retrograde will give> the > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a>> cute > thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * >>> The>> planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> >> on a > >>>>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If > the planet is a>>>> malefic, the person will suffer for> >> long, and > > will have to >>>> undertake hard effort even for> small benefits and > > the > > results>>>> would be usually > delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>>>> will> materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is> good, >>>> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > > Thinking astronomically>>>> retrograde is just our assumption> and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>>>> planet is always in> direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> >> the > angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is> more>> and>> we will feel that the planet is in > >> retrograde.> > * For>> inner>> planets when the planet orbits > sun (since the > > earth's > >>> orbit is >> bigger than their> orbit) we will have the feeling> > that>> they > > are>> in> retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the>> above > words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A>>> pictorial description is >> better to> > understand > > the> same] > > >>> > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional > reference we don't > >>> find > > many slokas that are>>> attributed to the discussion of> >>> retrograde > > motion.> They some how >> seems to be satisfied with the>> general > > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for>>> > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results> of>> individual> > planets are > > neither available >> nor > the earlier>> scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much> special>> importance to it.>> > > But still 3 planets in> retrograde generally>> indicate the> >>> presence of > > too > much opposing conditions in the said >> mans life,>> which he>> > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate>>> that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, > even>> though>> delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde> may also indicate >> that>> the man is not dependable> > (this> > > statement lacks textual>>>> support) > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>>>>> , " kankan_73 " > >> kankan_73@>>>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I> would like to know>>>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > > their > > > effects in one's>> >> life.> > > Today, I have> seen a chart in which 3 planets are > >>>>> retrograde. Is > >> there > > > anything special in this. What they>>>> signify. > Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord> >>>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > >> theories like>>>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > debilitated > > > and>>>> vise versa. Is there some thing> more than this.> > > Kindly give your >>>> views. > > > > > >> Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > >________ >>> >>> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and> Now (it's>>>> updated for today's economy) at > Games.>>>>>> http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow >>> > > > > >>> > > >> ________>> Make>> every IM count. Download and> join the i’m>>> Initiative now. It’s free.>>> > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07> > > > > > >> ________>> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today> it's FREE!>> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/________FREE> 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & > orcas on your desktop!Check it out at > http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium > > >________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today> it's === message truncated ===________Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness./webhosting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Pandit ji, We are talking about relative motion here. I was talking about the relative motion of the planets causing Doppler Effect on earth. Hence, it is clear that the retro planets behave differently. With regard to how this alters the way we look at retro planets in Astrology, I still don't have a definite view. I am still exploring. Regards, Krishna --- Panditji <navagraha wrote: > Namaste, > > Retro planets are not moving away from earth. They infact are > closest to > earth when they get retrograde, and the retro speed is fastest > when closest > to earth. > > Also Guru affects 8 houses as backward and forward aspects are > same houses. > > If we take aspect from a house behind and take backward aspect > as well as > forward, then it may affect as many as 10 houses. Do people > who propose this > take backward as well as forward aspetcs as well as aspect > from one house > behind ? This will make retro planets affecting entire zodiac > in a chart. I > don't think we are capturing what is really said in classics. > > ... > > > On 7/1/07, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramadas Rao, > > > > This is interesting. It is for the first time that I am > hearing > > someone confidently talk about the aspects of retrograde > planets > > being different. I will pay attention to what you have said > and > > check it out. > > > > As a student of Science, I can understand that there will be > > definitive difference in electromagnetic force frequency > > experienced at a point caused by a planet relative in motion > > from the point of measurement. This effect is called > " Doppler > > Effect " in Physics. To understand what is Doppler Effect, > one > > could look at the following web site: > > > > http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/doppler.html > > > > It is clear that there will be difference in the influence > of a > > planet in direct motion as against a planet which is moving > away > > relative to earth. But, the question is how to map " Doppler > > Effect " of retrograde planets in Astrology. > > > > What you have suggest could be the answer. More research > needs > > to be done in this area to understand the effect > systematically. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- HosabettuRamadas Rao > <ramadasrao<ramadasrao%40hotmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Prafulla Ji, > > > Yes, 8 signs and you apply and see how it works. > > > With Regards, > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > > > > To: > <%40gro\ ups.comFrom> > > : > > > jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.comDate>: Sat, 30 > Jun 2007 > > 20:17:22 -0800Subject: > > > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramdas jiSo when retrograde - planet look at previous > > > sign (12th house) or they look from previous sign (so guru > > > retrograde in taurus - so from aries - it will aspect > 5/7/9)? > > > Now what happens to guru's aspect from taurus? - should it > be > > > considered or not at all. If to be considered ..then will > guru > > > influence 8 signs?regards / Prafulla > > > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not > > > automatically include the right to be taken > > > > seriously. " ************************************************> > > > > > ramadasrao<ramadasrao%40hotmail.com> > > > > > > Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:10:27 +0000> To: > > > > <%40.\ com>> > > RE: > > > Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear > > > Pandit Ji,> Namaste.> Brihat Nadi Astrology by Shri > R.G.Rao > > > mentions about the Vakra Grahas> aspect from the previous > > > house also.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > To: > > > > <%40gro\ ups.comFrom> > > :> > > > navagraha <navagraha%40gmail.comDate>: Fri, > 29 Jun 2007 > > 15:17:18 > > > -0400Re:> Re: > Retrograde > > > Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Where is it mentioned that > > > vakri grahas aspect in reverse direction ? Is> there any > > > support for this?> > ...> On 6/29/07, Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Ramdas > > ji,So if > > > planet is retro - for example venus is retro in> someone's > > > chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed > chart.> > > > Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of > natal > > > chart> analysis. and if so - should we stop considering > its > > > backward aspect (for> its retrogression) from 25th year? > Like > > > wise - if a planet has become> retrograde (for example > guru) > > > in 15th progressed year. So after 15th> year, should we > > > consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as> > > > backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla> > > > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not > > > automatically> include the right to be taken seriously. " > > > > ************************************************> > > > -----Original> Message-----> > ramadasrao<ramadasrao%40hotmail.com> > > > > > > Thu, 28 Jun 2007> 20:37:07 +0000> To: > > > > <%40.\ com>>> > > RE: > > > Re: Retrograde Planets> > > Dear>> > > > Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate > > > strong left>> over Karmas > from past life which the > native > > > during his/her death might>> have thought> of.> For > example, > > > in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord>> Shani is Vakra and > is> > > > placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its>> lord > Budha > > > is in 3rd > house in Meena Rashi with Guru and>> > > > Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30 > > > years, I am>> working in the same designation.My> friends > got > > > promotions and are in>> very good status.But my monetary > > > > position is comparitively better than>> my friends.Almost > most > > > of my> earnings are being spent for the family>> and other > > > close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord > indicating>> > > > family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. > Also I have worked on > > > this>> matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha > and > > > see when it>> becomes direct.Now calculate the number of > days> > > > from the day of birth>> till the Graha becomes direct.Now > > > consider one day> as one year,so the>> number of days > becomes > > > number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra>> Shani > > > becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long > > > awaiting>> Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 > > > years of > age.This>> means there are some obstacles in my > > > progress in the life till I>>> complete 81 years of age, > if I > > > live up to that age.But I also found out>>> that after > about > > > 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my >>> > > > progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I > also > > > observed>>> that after about 50% of the total years ie., > > > around 1992, a steep>>> increase in my life's progress in > all > > > spheres of the life. > Now suppose>> if the person dies > before > > > the stipulated years shown by Vakra>>> Graha,then again > that > > > Karma will be postponed to the next life.>>> Ofcourse,I > have > > > taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some>> > success > > > > in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other > scholars>> > > > in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Looking for a deal? 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Ramdas ji Many thanks for the clarification. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. " ************************************************ > > ramadasrao > Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:33:15 +0000 > > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets > > Dear Prafulla Ji, > Yes, 8 signs and you apply and see how it works. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > > : jyotish: > Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:17:22 -0800RE: > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > > Dear Ramdas jiSo when retrograde - planet look at previous sign (12th > house) or they look from previous sign (so guru retrograde in taurus - so > from aries - it will aspect 5/7/9)? Now what happens to guru's aspect > from taurus? - should it be considered or not at all. If to be considered > ..then will guru influence 8 signs?regards / Prafulla > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically > include the right to be taken > seriously. " ************************************************> > > ramadasrao Sat, 30 > Jun 2007 16:10:27 +0000> > > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear > Pandit Ji,> Namaste.> Brihat Nadi Astrology by Shri R.G.Rao mentions > about the Vakra Grahas> aspect from the previous house also.> With > Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > To: > :> navagraha: > Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:17:18 -0400Re:> > Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Where is it mentioned that > vakri grahas aspect in reverse direction ? Is> there any support for > this?> > ...> On 6/29/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Ramdas ji,So if planet is retro - for example venus is retro in> > someone's chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart.> > Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal chart> > analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its backward aspect > (for> its retrogression) from 25th year? Like wise - if a planet has > become> retrograde (for example guru) in 15th progressed year. So after > 15th> year, should we consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects > (as> backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla> > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically> > include the right to be taken seriously. " > > ************************************************> -----Original> > Message-----> ramadasrao Thu, 28 Jun 2007> > 20:37:07 +0000> >> Subject: > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear>> Pandit > Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left>> over > Karmas > from past life which the native during his/her death might>> > have thought> of.> For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord>> > Shani is Vakra and is> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while > its>> lord Budha is in 3rd > house in Meena Rashi with Guru and>> > Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30 years, I am>> > working in the same designation.My> friends got promotions and are in>> > very good status.But my monetary > position is comparitively better > than>> my friends.Almost most of my> earnings are being spent for the > family>> and other close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord > indicating>> family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. > Also I have worked on > this>> matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and see when > it>> becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days> from the day of > birth>> till the Graha becomes direct.Now consider one day> as one > year,so the>> number of days becomes number of years.For example in> my > chart, Vakra>> Shani becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> > long awaiting>> Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 years of > > age.This>> means there are some obstacles in my progress in the life > till I>>> complete 81 years of age, if I live up to that age.But I also > found out>>> that after about 25% of this total years,some slight > increase in my >>> progress in life as some of the debts have been > repaid.I also observed>>> that after about 50% of the total years ie., > around 1992, a steep>>> increase in my life's progress in all spheres of > the life. > Now suppose>> if the person dies before the stipulated years > shown by Vakra>>> Graha,then again that Karma will be postponed to the > next life.>>> Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this work and I > found some>> success > in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request > other scholars>> in this list> to check the reality in my work and > continue their efforts>> to get some> more deeper connections related to > Vakra Grahas.> With>> Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > To:>> > :> > navagraha:>> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re:>> > Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > >>> Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there > was>> > no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are > you>>> suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma.> > > ...>>> On 6/28/07, sunil nair < astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > >>> > > Hare krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are>> > concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished>> > krama or desires from past > lives ,depending on karakatwas and>> > placements and lordships.Along with> other textual references> mercury>> > in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of>> > 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . > rest u know as a>> > scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral > skills>> and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational > pursuits>> .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri > .sreenath and>> > others> regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > --- In>> , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama>> <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> >> > " Too many>> planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not > >>> dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > Well, my > daughter>>> has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. > And, I don't>>> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just > giving you a data>> > point.> > In any case, as three planets are > retrograde in her chart,>> I>> always see it as a roadblock to analyse > her chart myself as I >>> don't> understand the correct effect of a > planet being> retrograde. Dr.>> Charak, > in his book, says that > retrograde> planets cause health>> problems.> > Here> are the birth > details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB:>> 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be > interested to know how would be her>> Mercury MD,> Mercury being > one of > the retrograde planets.> > I look>> forward to your comments, hoping> > that you won't consider > my request>> as a chart reading request.> >> > Regards,> Krishna>>> --- Sreenadh>> sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan > ji,> > Generally >> retrograde is>> considered as good. It is said in > > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in>> retrograde will give the > > result > of > > exaltation. But>> there is a>> cute thing to note. As per texts> > > like > > Saravali-> > * >> The>> planet in retrograde will give > beneficial results all> > on a > >>>>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial > planet.> > * If the planet is a>>>> malefic, the person will suffer for> > > long, and > > will have to >>>> undertake hard effort even for small > benefits and > > the > > results>>>> would be usually delayed. But of > course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>>>> will materialize.> > > > So in > short, benefics in retrograde is good, >>>> and malefics in > > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically>>>> retrograde is just > our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>>>> planet is always > in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> >> the angle > covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more>> and>> we will > feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For>> inner>> planets > when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > >>> orbit is >> > bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that>> they > > > are>> in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the>> above words > may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A>> pictorial > description is >> better to> > understand > > the same] > > >>> > In the > ancient texts apart>> from occasional reference we don't > >>> find > > > many slokas that are>> attributed to the discussion of> >>> retrograde > > > motion. They some how >> seems to be satisfied with the>> general > > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for>> > > bad. > > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results of>> individual> > > planets are > > neither available >> nor the earlier>> scholars seems to > attribute> > too > > much special>> importance to it.>> > > But still 3 > planets in retrograde generally>> indicate the> >>> presence of > > too > much opposing conditions in the said >> mans life,>> which he> > would > > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate>> that at the end > > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even>> though>> delayed. Too many> > > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate >> that>> the man is not > dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual>>>> support) > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>>>> , > " kankan_73 " > > kankan_73@>>>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > I would like to know>>>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > > their > > > effects in one's>> >> life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart > in which 3 planets are > >>>>> retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything > special in this. What they>>>> signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > > result when Lagna Lord >>>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > > some > > > theories like>>>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > debilitated > > > and>>>> vise versa. Is there some thing more than > this.> > > Kindly give your >>>> views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > >________ >> >>> > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, I noticed this mail today only - wonderful! Thanks for the good mail. Love, Sreenadh , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare krishna, > > dear sreenathji, > > I think all the basis of astrology is karma and its > clearly mentioned in bhagavath gheetha. > > Yes,all birth is outcome of some karmas and offcourse unfinished > karmas,but i know some persons who has all the abilities in purticular > field ,but because of fate or some pressures never make it in this life > otherwise may be they can out smart all personalities in such field.May > be in next birth this deep desire may show in the chart.,all the texts > say that vakra graha has cheshtabala and equal to exaltation ,so in > which areas of life it may show .Should be according to karakatwas and > ownerships and placements. > for example- S P Balasubramaniam ,who never learned classical music > eventhough belongs to a parampara of musicians and now symbol of south > indian classical music in movies atleast -because of him and his voice > classical music re established its power,so from where may be he got the > sidhi ,should be from past lives ,may be unfinished or un used karma > phala > > Even in physiognomy (face reading ) the vakra planets shows as some > deficincy in purticular areas.These days of cosmetic surgery may hide > many deficincies. > > Otherwise which ever theorey we follow in vakratwa of planets ,whether > fruitification of years or in nadi --they aspect from behind or chesta > bala or any other they are all points to importance to some purticular > areas in life,which may fruitify with some efforts . > > i dont hav any major texts --all i hav is gurupadesa and some reading of > general articles from various savants in astrology.With personal > experience and anubhava ,i may use or reject it ,thats all. > > Many of the major text were either corrupted or badly translated or > parampara is holding the secrets. > > We need to take a complete replicable theoreys,which may work atleast > in 80% of charts. > > Even sanskrit is a laungage sansritised(purified) from old indian > mohenjadaro harappan (or saraswathy? ) laungage-which resembles to > dravidian laungauges ,it was demostrated by one raman and discareded by > burocracy of india as it may undermine many theoreys we keep now . (like > the scrolls of dead seas-which is old bible-may be original) . > > Many of the texts and shastras are translated to sanskrit and now like > every thing is translating to english as it becomes a official laungage > of the world . > > All shastra india contributed --64 shastras from kamasutra to yoga sutra > may be its origin in old indian laungage and then sanskritised as india > has a undisturbed known history of atleast 10000 years ,even our > neighboring china cannt boast of such a vast knowledge with continuous > history .Let people say we imported all knowledge .Even kamasutra uses > planets to while dealing with some situations-esp the movement of moon > .I find all this shastras r inter related and contributing to each other > --like a perfectly woven cloth .Whether ayurveda or manthra sastra or > tantra > > Otherwise the d-charts upto nadiamsas 7 planets and 2 chayagrahas and > its upagrahas and more than 100 dasa sistems and with dasa phala and > timing from trudi to manuantaras --4 yugas ,no where in world .(how can > a duplicate outsmart originals ) -One man who has good connection with > jesuit monasteries told me he has seen many texts in latin and hebrew > of indian astrology --yes he can understand as he was brought up by > monks and he himself is a scholar of vedic astology and sisya of sri K N > Rao and a european by origin has a differrent profession . > > This people may say katha sarith sagara or panchatantra stories- we > duplicate arabs alf laila wa laila (1001 nights) > > jaimini uses rasi dasas ,still people says we imported rasis from greece > . > > > > I am making it short .sorry for my scatterred thoughts > > thanks sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit ji, > > Yes, I too feel like repeating your question. > > > > 1)Looking from Karma sidhanta point of view: we are here in this > > planet in this condition only because of " some unfinished krama or > > desires from past lives " . As you rightly suggests (and I support) " If > > there was no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved > > moksha " . Thus it becomes necessary to clarify what kind of Karma such > > as Dridha-Dridhadridha-Adridha; but I don't think that would be > > enough, because the Dridhadi division has nothing to do with such a > > thought line. May be Ramdas ji, and Sunil ji can shed more light on > > the same. [by the way, I will put my comments on the Mercury MD of > > the mentioned chart in another mail] > > > > 2) There is another real question to be answered - Is Karma sidhanta > > an orginal component of astrology? We don't have much reference to > > Karma sidhanta in astrology texts prior to some tests like Leghu > > Jataka that is ascribed to Mihira (but whose authership is not > > certain). In Brihat Samhita Mihira wonders; some say that " Time " is > > the root cause, some say that it is " Karma " ; some " Swabhava (Nature > > of the item) " , some " Prakriti (Nature/Earth and environment) " , > > some " God " etc. The wonder `Who is right?' or `Which of these is > > adopted by (or adobpted for) astrology?' is clearly visible. Normally > > at the initial stages astrology was satisfied with the philosophy > > of " Kala Purusha - Prakriti (Siva-Sakti) " combination itself I think. > > The Karma Sidhanta seems to be an extra interpolation into this age- > > old philosophy of astrology, possibly after the period of Mihira. > > > > I will appreciate your inputs on the same. > > > > P.S.: Dear Punditji, why don't you upload some of your good old > > articles in the files section of the forum. We would all be pleased > > to have such a recourse available to us. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , Panditji > > navagraha@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there > > was no > > > unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you > > suggesting > > > that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > On 6/28/07, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > dear krishnaji, > > > > > > > > As far as retro planets are concerned i also > > support > > > > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from > > past lives > > > > ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with > > other > > > > textual references > > > > > > > > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes > > an > > > > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . > > > > > > > > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might > > giv her > > > > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various > > > > educational pursuits . > > > > > > > > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath > > and > > > > others > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > > > " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man > > > > > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > > > > > > > > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > > > > > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so > > > > > far. I am just giving you a data point. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I > > > > > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > > > > > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being > > > > > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde > > > > > planets cause health problems. > > > > > > > > > > Here are the birth details: > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990 > > > > > TOB: 20:35 > > > > > POB: Bangalore > > > > > > > > > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD, > > > > > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets. > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider > > > > > my request as a chart reading request. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kannan ji, > > > > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > > > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > > > > > > result of > > > > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts > > > > > > like > > > > > > Saravali- > > > > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all > > > > > > on a > > > > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > > > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for > > > > > > long, and > > > > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > > > > > the > > > > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > they will materialize. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > > > > > retrograde is bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and > > > > > > it > > > > > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > > > > > > > > > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth > > > > > > (compared to > > > > > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > > > > > earth's > > > > > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling > > > > > > that they > > > > > > are in retrograde. > > > > > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > > > > > > reflect > > > > > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to > > > > > > understand > > > > > > the same] > > > > > > > > > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > > > > > > find > > > > > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of > > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > > > > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > > > > > > bad. > > > > > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual > > > > > > planets are > > > > > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute > > > > > > too > > > > > > much special importance to it. > > > > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the > > > > > > presence of > > > > > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he > > > > > > would > > > > > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > > > > > > he will > > > > > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many > > > > > > planets in > > > > > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable > > > > > > (this > > > > > > statement lacks textual support) > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " kankan_73 " > > > > > > kankan_73@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and > > > > > > their > > > > > > > effects in one's life. > > > > > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > > > > > retrograde. Is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly > > > > > > what is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard > > > > > > some > > > > > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > > > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > ______________ > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now > > (it's > > > > updated for today's economy) at Games. > > > > > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore. Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is retrograde) 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra 2) Virgo : ----- 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju) 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve) 9) Aries : --- ; Navamsa: (Asc), (Gk) 10) Tarus : ----- 11) Gemini : (Ju); Navamsa:--- 12) Cancer : Mo, Ke; Navamsa:Mo Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa (Chandra Hari) [Asc is Leo and retrograde Me is in the 5th house with Saturn and Sun. (Me)-Su-Sa is aspected by Ju from Gemini. The 5th house is conjunct between two malefics Ma in Scorpio and Ra in Capricorn. In navamsa even though the 5th house is saved by Ju navamsa, it is hemmed between Su in Scorpio and Ma in Capricorn. Three malefics in 5th house (including Me) but the good point is that the 5th lord aspects the 5th house and the navamsa of the 5th lord Ju falls in 5th house itself. What is the use for the querent with all these? The question is what are the results?] ====== Your daughter will have good education, intelligence, good memory, good nature, belief in god, belief in astrology, and an inquisitive mind. No problem in studies but difficulty in getting a proper job. There would be delay in marriage. At the age of 26-27 she will have an affair, and the same could result in a love marriage, possibly against the will of the parents. Marriage will happen at the age of 26-27 and she will have a good house and settled life by 27-28. There would be problems in having children and possibly one or two abortions. Much money would be spend on treatments, and worships for the sake of getting a child. The first child could be a girl. For sure she will have two children, possibly at the age of 32-34. The life is good and every sought after results gained but notice that Me gave those results only after giving all kinds of initial troubles. ====== Astrologer's point of view: Why these predictions? ----------------- The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself is aspected by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal lagna, in its own house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th house. These combinations indicate that the native would be intelligent, having good memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in swakshetra), inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god. 10th house from Lagna, Moon and Sun are vacant - indicating that the native will not have a proper job. But of course she may have small jobs for short periods. 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with Saturn; 7th house is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the marriage will happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th lord); 7th aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th; Ke Navamsa in 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage. The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord; the Lagna lord placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th lord). The native will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e. around 2016-17, at the age of 26-27. Mo in own house; Mo Navamsa in Vargottama; 4th lord Ma in own house; All indicating good house by 2017-2019, at the age of 27-29. Good life and wealth. Sa in 5th; Me in 5th; All indicating delay in having children. Me in 5th; 2 Malefics in 5th; Gk in 5th from Ju; Su navamsa in 5th from Mo; All indicating loss of children (Abortion). Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All indicating expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having children. Thus a good amount of care, effort and expense for having children. Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in swakshetra in 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From Libra to Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above combinations indicate that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju being the child giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by 2022-2024, at the age of 32-34. ==================== Classic quotes -------------- Brigu sutra states (If Me is in 5th house)- MatulaGandaH MatradiSoukhyam PutraVikhnam Medhavi Madhurabhashi Budhiman Bavadipe Balayute. Balaheene PutranasaH Aputra DattuputraPraptiH Papakarmi MantravadiH [if Me is in 5th health problems to Maternal uncle in Me Dasa should be told. The native would be intelligent, speaking good words, will have a sweet sound, and good memory. There would be trouble in having children. If the 5th lord is weak abortions could happen or the native wont have children. She will adopt children. He will do bad deeds, and will believe in Mantravada, and will know secret hymns] Chamalkara Chintramani states (If Me is in 5th house)- Vayasyadime Putragarbho na tishtad Bhavettasya medhartha sampadayitri Budhairbhanyate panchame rouhineya Kiyadvidyate Kaitavasyabhicharam [in the early years she won't have children. She will have good intelligence and wealth. .... ] BPHS states (If the 2nd lord is in 5th)- Dhanadipe tu Soonusthe sadartha jana tatparaiH Soonubhi swairyuto jato jayate dhanavanapi [Refer BPHS for meaning] BPHS states (If the 12th lord is in 5th)- Vyayese Putrage Jato putrahetor bhoori vyayee naraH Vidya putra viheenascha sada teerthadane rataH [Refer BPHS for meaning] Garga Hora states (If Me is in 5th) - Panchamaste chandraputraH santanam Prakarotihi AstamgataH satrudrishtaschotpannasya vinasadaH [if Me is in 5th, for sure the native will have children. But if debilitated or aspected by malefics then loss of children will happen] The above slokas clarifies that the native will be intelligent, will have a good life, will have delay in marriage, will have delay in having children, spend a lot for the same, but for sure will have children, and will have a good life. What is the role of retrograde planet in all these?! If not these initial delays and beneficiary results at the end, what else the retrograde planets indicate!! As per Saravali- Vakropagasya hi dasa bhramayati kulala chakraval purusham Vyasanani ripu virodham karoti papasya na subhasya [The retrograde planet will trouble the native as if in a wheel. It will give sadness and enmity. But this kind of effect should be predicted only for malefics and not for benefics] Dasdhayi clarifies- Vakrinastu Mahaveerya Subha Bhagyaprada nrinam Papa vyesanada pumsam kurvanti cha vridhadanam [The retrograde planets are very strong, and give all kinds of good luck. But the malefics if retrograde, gives sadness, efforts without result, and travel (But at the end they too will give the sought for beneficial results)] ============= I hope this long discussion clarifies the results that should be attributed to Retrograde Mercury present in your daughter's horoscope. Love, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > Thanks for your analysis. I really appreciate your inputs.> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > Dear krishnaji,> > > > According to some naadis venus> > controlles only> > quality of married life and mars is real mangal kartha and> > the bringer> > of males in a female life ,in her chart it is strongly> > placed.Also> > venus vakri showing ,the venus is trying to escape such> > situation and> > jupiter being vakri aspecting this combination of venus and> > also mars.So> > it shows also devine grace and any remedies in that direction> > will work> > .> > > > As per vedic astrology 7th lord in 5th may show a choice> > marriage ,but> > care shud be taken while selecting.But the 4th lord of family> > happiness> > well palced and giving a mahapurusha yoga and in navamsa also> > as lord is> > well placed in 11th house and giving its amsa to 7th house in> > rasi ,so> > in the long run it will be beneficial --yes may be after> > natural year of> > maturity ,if some problems exists will be solved .also venus> > is 10th> > lord of profession in her chart.> > > > i think 25 to 28 is period of marriage as dasa and various> > marriage> > points r triggerred that time in transit also .> > > > By the time the great mischief and schemer rahu also will pass> > transit> > over her mars ,a special combo applicable to her chart.(during> > this time> > care shud be taken while fixing marriage).it will be over may> > be within > > 5 to 6 years.> > > > All figures i take roughly only ,just to get a rough idea ,> > > > hope this helps u .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > Thanks for your kind note. I agree with your observations on> > my> > > daughter's chart.> > >> > > All three benefic planets are retrograde. Based on what> > Sreendh> > > quoted, I assume it is beneficial to the native. They becore> > > direct as follows:> > >> > > Mercury - after 9 days> > > Venus - After 28 days> > > Jupiter - After 45 days> > >> > > Based on Ramadas Rao ji's calculation:> > >> > > I guess as she is more than 9 years old now, Mercury's> > > retrogression is not an issue and I can assess her Mercury> > MD> > > considering Mercury as direct. And as Venus becomes direct> > after> > > 28 days, her delays related to mariage (note 7th lord Sani> > is> > > combust) would be resolved after 28 years.> > >> > > Please comment.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > --- sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Hare krishna,> > > >> > > > dear krishnaji,> > > >> > > > As far as retro planets are concerned i> > > > also support> > > > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or> > desires> > > > from past> > > > lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and> > > > lordships.Along with> > > > other textual references> > > >> > > > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it> > > > becomes an> > > > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her> > .> > > >> > > > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise> > > > might giv her> > > > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be> > > > various> > > > educational pursuits .> > > >> > > > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri> > > > .sreenath and> > > > others> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > > ,> > Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > >> > > > > You said:> > > > >> > > > > "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that> > the> > > > man> > > > > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual> > support)"> > > > >> > > > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is> > about> > > > 17> > > > > years now. And, I don't see any problems with> > dependability> > > > so> > > > > far. I am just giving you a data point.> > > > >> > > > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her> > chart, I> > > > > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself> > as> > > > I> > > > > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> > > > > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that> > retrograde> > > > > planets cause health problems.> > > > >> > > > > Here are the birth details:> > > > >> > > > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> > > > > TOB: 20:35> > > > > POB: Bangalore> > > > >> > > > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury> > MD,> > > > > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > > > >> > > > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't> > > > consider> > > > > my request as a chart reading request.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kannan ji,> > > > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said> > in> > > > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give> > the> > > > > > result of> > > > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per> > > > texts> > > > > > like> > > > > > Saravali-> > > > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial> > results> > > > all> > > > > > on a> > > > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > > > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer> > for> > > > > > long, and> > > > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small> > benefits> > > > and> > > > > > the> > > > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the> > end> > > === message truncated ===> > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on TV. > http://tv./> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Hare krishna, dear sreenathji. I was busy after the tour though activ in this forum .Thanks for encouragement. I downloaded all artiles of u in files sections ,I some where read in sidha literatures ,indian sidhas got connection with mayans and some area in america resemebles some names in south shows that connections ,for ex ---appache mountains and appache medu in sabari mala hills and i heard even there is a place called mount sasta in mayan empire( i am not sure) . even docor karansingh prince of kashmir and politician --says their rituals resembles to hindu s and he also mentioned abt astrology of mayans is it this mayans has some thing to do with maya the mlecha ---or our maya samhita which is a treatise in architecture sidha litaratue says sidha lands were all part of south including sri lanka which was part and all australia ,the aborigin of australia speaks some similar words in south they claims ,later some natuaral calamities and sea taken over all areas now reduced. again some stray thoughts excuse me sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> I noticed this mail today only - wonderful! > Thanks for the good mail.> Love,> Sreenadh> , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Hare krishna,> > > > dear sreenathji,> > > > I think all the basis of astrology is karma and > its> > clearly mentioned in bhagavath gheetha.> > > > Yes,all birth is outcome of some karmas and offcourse unfinished> > karmas,but i know some persons who has all the abilities in > purticular> > field ,but because of fate or some pressures never make it in this > life> > otherwise may be they can out smart all personalities in such > field.May> > be in next birth this deep desire may show in the chart.,all the > texts> > say that vakra graha has cheshtabala and equal to exaltation ,so in> > which areas of life it may show .Should be according to karakatwas > and> > ownerships and placements.> > for example- S P Balasubramaniam ,who never learned classical music> > eventhough belongs to a parampara of musicians and now symbol of > south> > indian classical music in movies atleast -because of him and his > voice> > classical music re established its power,so from where may be he > got the> > sidhi ,should be from past lives ,may be unfinished or un used karma> > phala> > > > Even in physiognomy (face reading ) the vakra planets shows as > some> > deficincy in purticular areas.These days of cosmetic surgery may > hide> > many deficincies.> > > > Otherwise which ever theorey we follow in vakratwa of > planets ,whether> > fruitification of years or in nadi --they aspect from behind or > chesta> > bala or any other they are all points to importance to some > purticular> > areas in life,which may fruitify with some efforts .> > > > i dont hav any major texts --all i hav is gurupadesa and some > reading of> > general articles from various savants in astrology.With personal> > experience and anubhava ,i may use or reject it ,thats all.> > > > Many of the major text were either corrupted or badly translated or> > parampara is holding the secrets.> > > > We need to take a complete replicable theoreys,which may work > atleast> > in 80% of charts.> > > > Even sanskrit is a laungage sansritised(purified) from old indian> > mohenjadaro harappan (or saraswathy? ) laungage-which resembles to> > dravidian laungauges ,it was demostrated by one raman and > discareded by> > burocracy of india as it may undermine many theoreys we keep now .> (like> > the scrolls of dead seas-which is old bible-may be original) .> > > > Many of the texts and shastras are translated to sanskrit and now > like> > every thing is translating to english as it becomes a official > laungage> > of the world .> > > > All shastra india contributed --64 shastras from kamasutra to yoga > sutra> > may be its origin in old indian laungage and then sanskritised as > india> > has a undisturbed known history of atleast 10000 years ,even our> > neighboring china cannt boast of such a vast knowledge with > continuous> > history .Let people say we imported all knowledge .Even kamasutra > uses> > planets to while dealing with some situations-esp the movement of > moon> > .I find all this shastras r inter related and contributing to each > other> > --like a perfectly woven cloth .Whether ayurveda or manthra sastra > or> > tantra> > > > Otherwise the d-charts upto nadiamsas 7 planets and 2 chayagrahas > and> > its upagrahas and more than 100 dasa sistems and with dasa phala > and> > timing from trudi to manuantaras --4 yugas ,no where in world .(how > can> > a duplicate outsmart originals ) -One man who has good connection > with> > jesuit monasteries told me he has seen many texts in latin and > hebrew> > of indian astrology --yes he can understand as he was brought up by> > monks and he himself is a scholar of vedic astology and sisya of > sri K N> > Rao and a european by origin has a differrent profession .> > > > This people may say katha sarith sagara or panchatantra stories-> we> > duplicate arabs alf laila wa laila (1001 nights)> > > > jaimini uses rasi dasas ,still people says we imported rasis from > greece> > .> > > > > > > > I am making it short .sorry for my scatterred thoughts> > > > thanks sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pandit ji,> > > Yes, I too feel like repeating your question.> > >> > > 1)Looking from Karma sidhanta point of view: we are here in this> > > planet in this condition only because of "some unfinished krama or> > > desires from past lives". As you rightly suggests (and I > support) "If> > > there was no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved> > > moksha". Thus it becomes necessary to clarify what kind of Karma > such> > > as Dridha-Dridhadridha-Adridha; but I don't think that would be> > > enough, because the Dridhadi division has nothing to do with such > a> > > thought line. May be Ramdas ji, and Sunil ji can shed more light > on> > > the same. [by the way, I will put my comments on the Mercury MD of> > > the mentioned chart in another mail]> > >> > > 2) There is another real question to be answered - Is Karma > sidhanta> > > an orginal component of astrology? We don't have much reference to> > > Karma sidhanta in astrology texts prior to some tests like Leghu> > > Jataka that is ascribed to Mihira (but whose authership is not> > > certain). In Brihat Samhita Mihira wonders; some say that "Time" > is> > > the root cause, some say that it is "Karma"; some "Swabhava > (Nature> > > of the item)", some "Prakriti (Nature/Earth and environment)",> > > some "God" etc. The wonder `Who is right?' or `Which of these is> > > adopted by (or adobpted for) astrology?' is clearly visible. > Normally> > > at the initial stages astrology was satisfied with the philosophy> > > of "Kala Purusha - Prakriti (Siva-Sakti)" combination itself I > think.> > > The Karma Sidhanta seems to be an extra interpolation into this > age-> > > old philosophy of astrology, possibly after the period of Mihira.> > >> > > I will appreciate your inputs on the same.> > >> > > P.S.: Dear Punditji, why don't you upload some of your good old> > > articles in the files section of the forum. We would all be > pleased> > > to have such a recourse available to us.> > >> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > , Panditji> > > navagraha@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If > there> > > was no> > > > unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you> > > suggesting> > > > that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma.> > > >> > > > ...> > > >> > > >> > > > On 6/28/07, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > >> > > > > dear krishnaji,> > > > >> > > > > As far as retro planets are concerned i also> > > support> > > > > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires > from> > > past lives> > > > > ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along > with> > > other> > > > > textual references> > > > >> > > > > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes> > > an> > > > > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her .> > > > >> > > > > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise > might> > > giv her> > > > > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be > various> > > > > educational pursuits .> > > > >> > > > > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from > sri .sreenath> > > and> > > > > others> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > >> > > > > > You said:> > > > > >> > > > > > "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the > man> > > > > > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > > > > >> > > > > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is > about 17> > > > > > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability > so> > > > > > far. I am just giving you a data point.> > > > > >> > > > > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> > > > > > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as > I> > > > > > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> > > > > > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde> > > > > > planets cause health problems.> > > > > >> > > > > > Here are the birth details:> > > > > >> > > > > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> > > > > > TOB: 20:35> > > > > > POB: Bangalore> > > > > >> > > > > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> > > > > > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > > > > >> > > > > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't > consider> > > > > > my request as a chart reading request.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kannan ji,> > > > > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in> > > > > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the> > > > > > > result of> > > > > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per > texts> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > Saravali-> > > > > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results > all> > > > > > > on a> > > > > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > > > > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for> > > > > > > long, and> > > > > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small > benefits and> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the > end of> > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > they will materialize.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics > in> > > > > > > retrograde is bad.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption > and> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion > but -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth> > > > > > > (compared to> > > > > > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is > in> > > > > > > retrograde.> > > > > > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the> > > > > > > earth's> > > > > > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > > > > > > that they> > > > > > > are in retrograde.> > > > > > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail > to> > > > > > > reflect> > > > > > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to> > > > > > > understand> > > > > > > the same]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we > don't> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of> > > > > > > retrograde> > > > > > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the > general> > > > > > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for> > > > > > > bad.> > > > > > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual> > > > > > > planets are> > > > > > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to > attribute> > > > > > > too> > > > > > > much special importance to it.> > > > > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the> > > > > > > presence of> > > > > > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which > he> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the > end> > > > > > > he will> > > > > > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many> > > > > > > planets in> > > > > > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not > dependable> > > > > > > (this> > > > > > > statement lacks textual support)> > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "kankan_73"> > > > > > > kankan_73@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets > and> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > effects in one's life.> > > > > > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are> > > > > > > retrograde. Is> > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > anything special in this. What they signify. > Particularly> > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have > heard> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like> > > > > > > debilitated> > > > > > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > > > > > > Kindly give your views.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > Kannan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > ____________________> > > ______________> > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now> > > (it's> > > > > updated for today's economy) at Games.> > > > > > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, ==> is it this mayans has some thing to do with maya the mlecha ---or our maya samhita which is a treatise in architecture <== There could be. But the India fame Maya (the Asura) was the student of Sage Surya. May be he could have been a foreigner, who knows! (Mlecha means foreigner, as per ancient terminology) But for sure Sage Surya was a well known indian sage as evident from the many texts attributed to him. Sage Surya is counted among the 18 great acharyas of Astrology. But yes, the similarity between architectural and astronomic contributions of Maya culture and the Architecture and Astronomic contribution of scholar Maya (of India), create such as awesome doubt in our mind. Yes, Maya Mata (Maya samhita) that deals with architecture and Maya Hora that deals with astrology, and Surya Sidhanta that deals with Astronomy are recalled and surge to the top of memory. Also notice that Maya is considered as the architect of Asuras in puranic literature. Who knows what were the games played by time and place, in the history of civilizations! P.S: But for sure know that `Maya' is NOT `Greek' fore sure. Love, Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > Hare krishna,> > dear sreenathji.> > I was busy after the tour though activ in this forum .Thanks for> encouragement.> > I downloaded all artiles of u in files sections ,I some where read in> sidha literatures ,indian sidhas got connection with mayans and some> area in america resemebles some names in south shows that connections> ,for ex ---appache mountains and appache medu in sabari mala hills and i> heard even there is a place called mount sasta in mayan empire( i am> not sure) .> > even docor karansingh prince of kashmir and politician --says their> rituals resembles to hindu s and he also mentioned abt astrology of> mayans> > is it this mayans has some thing to do with maya the mlecha ---or our> maya samhita which is a treatise in architecture> > sidha litaratue says sidha lands were all part of south including sri> lanka which was part and all australia ,the aborigin of australia speaks> some similar words in south they claims ,later some natuaral calamities> and sea taken over all areas now reduced.> > again some stray thoughts> > excuse me> > > > sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > I noticed this mail today only - wonderful!> > Thanks for the good mail.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Hare krishna,> > >> > > dear sreenathji,> > >> > > I think all the basis of astrology is karma and> > its> > > clearly mentioned in bhagavath gheetha.> > >> > > Yes,all birth is outcome of some karmas and offcourse unfinished> > > karmas,but i know some persons who has all the abilities in> > purticular> > > field ,but because of fate or some pressures never make it in this> > life> > > otherwise may be they can out smart all personalities in such> > field.May> > > be in next birth this deep desire may show in the chart.,all the> > texts> > > say that vakra graha has cheshtabala and equal to exaltation ,so in> > > which areas of life it may show .Should be according to karakatwas> > and> > > ownerships and placements.> > > for example- S P Balasubramaniam ,who never learned classical music> > > eventhough belongs to a parampara of musicians and now symbol of> > south> > > indian classical music in movies atleast -because of him and his> > voice> > > classical music re established its power,so from where may be he> > got the> > > sidhi ,should be from past lives ,may be unfinished or un used karma> > > phala> > >> > > Even in physiognomy (face reading ) the vakra planets shows as> > some> > > deficincy in purticular areas.These days of cosmetic surgery may> > hide> > > many deficincies.> > >> > > Otherwise which ever theorey we follow in vakratwa of> > planets ,whether> > > fruitification of years or in nadi --they aspect from behind or> > chesta> > > bala or any other they are all points to importance to some> > purticular> > > areas in life,which may fruitify with some efforts .> > >> > > i dont hav any major texts --all i hav is gurupadesa and some> > reading of> > > general articles from various savants in astrology.With personal> > > experience and anubhava ,i may use or reject it ,thats all.> > >> > > Many of the major text were either corrupted or badly translated or> > > parampara is holding the secrets.> > >> > > We need to take a complete replicable theoreys,which may work> > atleast> > > in 80% of charts.> > >> > > Even sanskrit is a laungage sansritised(purified) from old indian> > > mohenjadaro harappan (or saraswathy? ) laungage-which resembles to> > > dravidian laungauges ,it was demostrated by one raman and> > discareded by> > > burocracy of india as it may undermine many theoreys we keep now .> > (like> > > the scrolls of dead seas-which is old bible-may be original) .> > >> > > Many of the texts and shastras are translated to sanskrit and now> > like> > > every thing is translating to english as it becomes a official> > laungage> > > of the world .> > >> > > All shastra india contributed --64 shastras from kamasutra to yoga> > sutra> > > may be its origin in old indian laungage and then sanskritised as> > india> > > has a undisturbed known history of atleast 10000 years ,even our> > > neighboring china cannt boast of such a vast knowledge with> > continuous> > > history .Let people say we imported all knowledge .Even kamasutra> > uses> > > planets to while dealing with some situations-esp the movement of> > moon> > > .I find all this shastras r inter related and contributing to each> > other> > > --like a perfectly woven cloth .Whether ayurveda or manthra sastra> > or> > > tantra> > >> > > Otherwise the d-charts upto nadiamsas 7 planets and 2 chayagrahas> > and> > > its upagrahas and more than 100 dasa sistems and with dasa phala> > and> > > timing from trudi to manuantaras --4 yugas ,no where in world .(how> > can> > > a duplicate outsmart originals ) -One man who has good connection> > with> > > jesuit monasteries told me he has seen many texts in latin and> > hebrew> > > of indian astrology --yes he can understand as he was brought up by> > > monks and he himself is a scholar of vedic astology and sisya of> > sri K N> > > Rao and a european by origin has a differrent profession .> > >> > > This people may say katha sarith sagara or panchatantra stories-> > we> > > duplicate arabs alf laila wa laila (1001 nights)> > >> > > jaimini uses rasi dasas ,still people says we imported rasis from> > greece> > > .> > >> > >> > >> > > I am making it short .sorry for my scatterred thoughts> > >> > > thanks sunil nair> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pandit ji,> > > > Yes, I too feel like repeating your question.> > > >> > > > 1)Looking from Karma sidhanta point of view: we are here in this> > > > planet in this condition only because of "some unfinished krama or> > > > desires from past lives". As you rightly suggests (and I> > support) "If> > > > there was no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved> > > > moksha". Thus it becomes necessary to clarify what kind of Karma> > such> > > > as Dridha-Dridhadridha-Adridha; but I don't think that would be> > > > enough, because the Dridhadi division has nothing to do with such> > a> > > > thought line. May be Ramdas ji, and Sunil ji can shed more light> > on> > > > the same. [by the way, I will put my comments on the Mercury MD of> > > > the mentioned chart in another mail]> > > >> > > > 2) There is another real question to be answered - Is Karma> > sidhanta> > > > an orginal component of astrology? We don't have much reference to> > > > Karma sidhanta in astrology texts prior to some tests like Leghu> > > > Jataka that is ascribed to Mihira (but whose authership is not> > > > certain). In Brihat Samhita Mihira wonders; some say that "Time"> > is> > > > the root cause, some say that it is "Karma"; some "Swabhava> > (Nature> > > > of the item)", some "Prakriti (Nature/Earth and environment)",> > > > some "God" etc. The wonder `Who is right?' or `Which of these is> > > > adopted by (or adobpted for) astrology?' is clearly visible.> > Normally> > > > at the initial stages astrology was satisfied with the philosophy> > > > of "Kala Purusha - Prakriti (Siva-Sakti)" combination itself I> > think.> > > > The Karma Sidhanta seems to be an extra interpolation into this> > age-> > > > old philosophy of astrology, possibly after the period of Mihira.> > > >> > > > I will appreciate your inputs on the same.> > > >> > > > P.S.: Dear Punditji, why don't you upload some of your good old> > > > articles in the files section of the forum. We would all be> > pleased> > > > to have such a recourse available to us.> > > >> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > > , Panditji> > > > navagraha@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,> > > > >> > > > > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If> > there> > > > was no> > > > > unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you> > > > suggesting> > > > > that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma.> > > > >> > > > > ...> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 6/28/07, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > > >> > > > > > dear krishnaji,> > > > > >> > > > > > As far as retro planets are concerned i also> > > > support> > > > > > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires> > from> > > > past lives> > > > > > ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along> > with> > > > other> > > > > > textual references> > > > > >> > > > > > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes> > > > an> > > > > > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her .> > > > > >> > > > > > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise> > might> > > > giv her> > > > > > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be> > various> > > > > > educational pursuits .> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from> > sri .sreenath> > > > and> > > > > > others> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama> > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the> > man> > > > > > > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is> > about 17> > > > > > > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability> > so> > > > > > > far. I am just giving you a data point.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> > > > > > > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as> > I> > > > > > > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> > > > > > > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde> > > > > > > planets cause health problems.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here are the birth details:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> > > > > > > TOB: 20:35> > > > > > > POB: Bangalore> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> > > > > > > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't> > consider> > > > > > > my request as a chart reading request.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Krishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kannan ji,> > > > > > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in> > > > > > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the> > > > > > > > result of> > > > > > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per> > texts> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > Saravali-> > > > > > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results> > all> > > > > > > > on a> > > > > > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > > > > > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for> > > > > > > > long, and> > > > > > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small> > benefits and> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the> > end of> > > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > they will materialize.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics> > in> > > > > > > > retrograde is bad.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption> > and> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion> > but -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth> > > > > > > > (compared to> > > > > > > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is> > in> > > > > > > > retrograde.> > > > > > > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the> > > > > > > > earth's> > > > > > > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > > > > > > > that they> > > > > > > > are in retrograde.> > > > > > > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail> > to> > > > > > > > reflect> > > > > > > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to> > > > > > > > understand> > > > > > > > the same]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we> > don't> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of> > > > > > > > retrograde> > > > > > > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the> > general> > > > > > > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for> > > > > > > > bad.> > > > > > > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual> > > > > > > > planets are> > > > > > > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to> > attribute> > > > > > > > too> > > > > > > > much special importance to it.> > > > > > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the> > > > > > > > presence of> > > > > > > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which> > he> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the> > end> > > > > > > > he will> > > > > > > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many> > > > > > > > planets in> > > > > > > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not> > dependable> > > > > > > > (this> > > > > > > > statement lacks textual support)> > > > > > > > Love,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > , "kankan_73"> > > > > > > > kankan_73@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets> > and> > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > effects in one's life.> > > > > > > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are> > > > > > > > retrograde. Is> > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > anything special in this. What they signify.> > Particularly> > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have> > heard> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like> > > > > > > > debilitated> > > > > > > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > > > > > > > Kindly give your views.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > Kannan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > ____________________> > > > ______________> > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now> > > > (it's> > > > > > updated for today's economy) at Games.> > > > > > > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Prafulla Ji, Well I dont know the which text but my guru used to tell me vakra planets are like you are walking forward but you are glancing behind thus the the drishti will be in reverse order 5/7/9. rgds kumar Siam Pacific Pte Ltd 70, Anuwongse Road Samphanthwongse Ratchawongse Road Bangkok,Thailand 10100 Tel :+ 662-6229652 + 662-2263417 + 662-2263418 Fax : + 662-6229650 + 662-2263419 Email: pacificsiam Skype :siampacific Voip :pacificsiam ______________________________\ ____ Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Thank you Neelamji. what other scholors think on this Regds. Manojcyberart_infos <cyberart_infos wrote: Dear Manoj,In my opinion, marriage for your brother could be somewhere in mid December 2007 or early next year. He will start Moon MD and saturn is 7L from moon who will be transiting in Leo. Jupiter will also be aspecting Leo, the moon sign after November this double transit is capable of giving him marriage in Moon Md and moon AD. From lagna, there is an exchange between 7th and 8th lord. Malefics mars and sun are in 7H. Venus, the 8L also debilitates in 7H. 5L moon is in 6H whose dispositor sun is in 7H. This could mean a marriage which will encounter problems and obstacles. There could have been a broken love affair or marriage situation in the past.He will have to work on getting married as well as on staying married. Marital happiness is somewhat be elusive for him. I would like to see what others have to say about this.Neelam Gupta , manoj devsharma <manojdevsharma wrote:>> Respected Jyotish Acharya Ji> > Please predict marriage of my brother Manish .> His details are as follows:> DOB: 11-OCTOBER-1974> POB: RAMPUR (UP)> TOB: 6.00 PM> > I SHALL BE GRAETFUL IF LEARNED SCHOLORS OF THIS FORUM COULD PLEASE ADVISE ON THE MATTER.> > REGARDS> > MANOJ> > > > Don't pick lemons.> See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.> Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Sreendh, Please drop the 'ji'. At the outset, I thank you very much for spending time to look into my daughter's chart and for giving your valuable analysis. I have some questions/comments on what you have said: > The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself is > aspected > by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal lagna, in > its own > house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th house. > These > combinations indicate that the native would be intelligent, > having good > memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in > swakshetra), > inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god. Though there is Nipuna Yoga, note that Mercury is combust. Agree on the rest. > 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with Saturn; > 7th house > is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the > marriage will > happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th lord); > 7th > aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th; Ke > Navamsa in > 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage. > > The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord; the > Lagna lord > placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th lord). > The native > will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e. > around > 2016-17, at the age of 26-27. There are two points to be noted here. 7th lord Saturn is combust and Venus occupies 12th from Navamsha lagna. In addition, Venus is retrograde. I guess these will pose additional challenges to the timing of the marriage. Exaltation of Venus in Navamsha provides some respite. >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > indicating > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having children. > Thus a good > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in > swakshetra in > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From > Libra to > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above > combinations indicate > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju being > the child > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by > 2022-2024, at the > age of 32-34. All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look good. Isn't it? Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore. > > Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is > retrograde) > > > > 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra > > 2) Virgo : ----- > > 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa > > 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su > > 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju) > > 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma > > 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke > > 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve) > > 9) Aries : --- ; Navamsa: (Asc), (Gk) > > 10) Tarus : ----- > > 11) Gemini : (Ju); Navamsa:--- > > 12) Cancer : Mo, Ke; Navamsa:Mo > > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa (Chandra Hari) > > > > [Asc is Leo and retrograde Me is in the 5th house with > Saturn and Sun. > (Me)-Su-Sa is aspected by Ju from Gemini. The 5th house is > conjunct > between two malefics Ma in Scorpio and Ra in Capricorn. In > navamsa even > though the 5th house is saved by Ju navamsa, it is hemmed > between Su in > Scorpio and Ma in Capricorn. Three malefics in 5th house > (including Me) > but the good point is that the 5th lord aspects the 5th house > and the > navamsa of the 5th lord Ju falls in 5th house itself. What is > the use > for the querent with all these? The question is what are the > results?] > > ====== > > Your daughter will have good education, intelligence, good > memory, good > nature, belief in god, belief in astrology, and an inquisitive > mind. No > problem in studies but difficulty in getting a proper job. > > There would be delay in marriage. At the age of 26-27 she > will have an > affair, and the same could result in a love marriage, possibly > against > the will of the parents. Marriage will happen at the age of > 26-27 and > she will have a good house and settled life by 27-28. > > There would be problems in having children and possibly one > or two > abortions. Much money would be spend on treatments, and > worships for the > sake of getting a child. The first child could be a girl. For > sure she > will have two children, possibly at the age of 32-34. > > The life is good and every sought after results gained but > notice that > Me gave those results only after giving all kinds of initial > troubles. > > ====== > > > > Astrologer's point of view: Why these predictions? > > ----------------- > > > 10th house from Lagna, Moon and Sun are vacant - indicating > that the > native will not have a proper job. But of course she may have > small jobs > for short periods. > > > Mo in own house; Mo Navamsa in Vargottama; 4th lord Ma in > own house; > All indicating good house by 2017-2019, at the age of 27-29. > Good life > and wealth. > > Sa in 5th; Me in 5th; All indicating delay in having > children. > > Me in 5th; 2 Malefics in 5th; Gk in 5th from Ju; Su navamsa > in 5th > from Mo; All indicating loss of children (Abortion). > > Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > indicating > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having children. > Thus a good > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in > swakshetra in > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From > Libra to > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above > combinations indicate > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju being > the child > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by > 2022-2024, at the > age of 32-34. > > > > ==================== > > Classic quotes > > -------------- > > Brigu sutra states (If Me is in 5th house)- > > MatulaGandaH MatradiSoukhyam > > PutraVikhnam Medhavi Madhurabhashi > > Budhiman Bavadipe Balayute. > > Balaheene PutranasaH Aputra > > DattuputraPraptiH Papakarmi MantravadiH > > [if Me is in 5th health problems to Maternal uncle in Me > Dasa should be > told. The native would be intelligent, speaking good words, > will have a > sweet sound, and good memory. There would be trouble in having > children. > If the 5th lord is weak abortions could happen or the native > wont have > children. She will adopt children. He will do bad deeds, and > will > believe in Mantravada, and will know secret hymns] > > > > Chamalkara Chintramani states (If Me is in 5th house)- > > Vayasyadime Putragarbho na tishtad > > Bhavettasya medhartha sampadayitri > > Budhairbhanyate panchame rouhineya > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness./webhosting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Krishna, Please look at the chart using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari.(46 min more than Lahari). If you are using JHora you can do it easily by setting the Ayanamsa value to be '46 min more than Lahari'. ==> > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > indicating > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having children. > > Thus a good > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. <== Yes, I made a mistke in in looking at the position of Ju. sorry. But still Ju is in 12th from Moon; 6th lord in 5th; Me in 5th; all indicate the same result - and thus that derivation holds. Reagarding other comments - * Even if Mercury is combest Nipuna Yoga holds. * Marriage is timed to happen in Me=>Su. (as per True Ayanamsa) ==> > 7th lord Saturn is combust and Venus occupies 12th > from Navamsha lagna. <== * Yes, of course 7th lord Sa is combust. But Sa aspects 7th and 7th is aspected by Ju and Ma (9th lord) as well. " Yapya bhavanti subhekshita " [Even the bad results become hidden and good when benifics aspect the sign]. Further Ve is in 7th from Moon sign, and is exalted in Navamsa. * Considering 12th from Navamsa Legna is not supported by classics. All the aspects and houses should be read from the natal chart itself. ==> > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > good. Isn't it? <== Ju navamsa is in Swamsa (in Sagittarius). Otherwise with 3 Malefics in 5th and with a Ju debilitated in Navama your daughter would not had such good intelligence and interest in education. Further Me aspecting 11th its own house, and Ju significator of elders in 11th, Ju in swamsa: Indicates that she has an elder brother/sister; possibly brother itself. If this is confirmed you can be sure that Ju is in Sagittarius navamsa itself; if not Ju could be treated as having Capricorn Navamsa. Love, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreendh, > > Please drop the 'ji'. > > At the outset, I thank you very much for spending time to look > into my daughter's chart and for giving your valuable analysis. > > I have some questions/comments on what you have said: > > > The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself is > > aspected > > by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal lagna, in > > its own > > house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th house. > > These > > combinations indicate that the native would be intelligent, > > having good > > memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in > > swakshetra), > > inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god. > > > Though there is Nipuna Yoga, note that Mercury is combust. Agree > on the rest. > > > > > 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with Saturn; > > 7th house > > is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the > > marriage will > > happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th lord); > > 7th > > aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th; Ke > > Navamsa in > > 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage. > > > > The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord; the > > Lagna lord > > placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th lord). > > The native > > will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e. > > around > > 2016-17, at the age of 26-27. > > > There are two points to be noted here. 7th lord Saturn is > combust and Venus occupies 12th from Navamsha lagna. In > addition, Venus is retrograde. I guess these will pose > additional challenges to the timing of the marriage. Exaltation > of Venus in Navamsha provides some respite. > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > indicating > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having children. > > Thus a good > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > > > > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in > > swakshetra in > > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From > > Libra to > > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above > > combinations indicate > > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju being > > the child > > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by > > 2022-2024, at the > > age of 32-34. > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > good. Isn't it? > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore. > > > > Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is > > retrograde) > > > > > > > > 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra > > > > 2) Virgo : ----- > > > > 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa > > > > 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su > > > > 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju) > > > > 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma > > > > 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke > > > > 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve) > > > > 9) Aries : --- ; Navamsa: (Asc), (Gk) > > > > 10) Tarus : ----- > > > > 11) Gemini : (Ju); Navamsa:--- > > > > 12) Cancer : Mo, Ke; Navamsa:Mo > > > > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa (Chandra Hari) > > > > > > > > [Asc is Leo and retrograde Me is in the 5th house with > > Saturn and Sun. > > (Me)-Su-Sa is aspected by Ju from Gemini. The 5th house is > > conjunct > > between two malefics Ma in Scorpio and Ra in Capricorn. In > > navamsa even > > though the 5th house is saved by Ju navamsa, it is hemmed > > between Su in > > Scorpio and Ma in Capricorn. Three malefics in 5th house > > (including Me) > > but the good point is that the 5th lord aspects the 5th house > > and the > > navamsa of the 5th lord Ju falls in 5th house itself. What is > > the use > > for the querent with all these? The question is what are the > > results?] > > > > ====== > > > > Your daughter will have good education, intelligence, good > > memory, good > > nature, belief in god, belief in astrology, and an inquisitive > > mind. No > > problem in studies but difficulty in getting a proper job. > > > > There would be delay in marriage. At the age of 26-27 she > > will have an > > affair, and the same could result in a love marriage, possibly > > against > > the will of the parents. Marriage will happen at the age of > > 26-27 and > > she will have a good house and settled life by 27-28. > > > > There would be problems in having children and possibly one > > or two > > abortions. Much money would be spend on treatments, and > > worships for the > > sake of getting a child. The first child could be a girl. For > > sure she > > will have two children, possibly at the age of 32-34. > > > > The life is good and every sought after results gained but > > notice that > > Me gave those results only after giving all kinds of initial > > troubles. > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > Astrologer's point of view: Why these predictions? > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > 10th house from Lagna, Moon and Sun are vacant - indicating > > that the > > native will not have a proper job. But of course she may have > > small jobs > > for short periods. > > > > > > > Mo in own house; Mo Navamsa in Vargottama; 4th lord Ma in > > own house; > > All indicating good house by 2017-2019, at the age of 27-29. > > Good life > > and wealth. > > > > Sa in 5th; Me in 5th; All indicating delay in having > > children. > > > > Me in 5th; 2 Malefics in 5th; Gk in 5th from Ju; Su navamsa > > in 5th > > from Mo; All indicating loss of children (Abortion). > > > > Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > indicating > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having children. > > Thus a good > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in > > swakshetra in > > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From > > Libra to > > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above > > combinations indicate > > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju being > > the child > > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by > > 2022-2024, at the > > age of 32-34. > > > > > > > > ==================== > > > > Classic quotes > > > > -------------- > > > > Brigu sutra states (If Me is in 5th house)- > > > > MatulaGandaH MatradiSoukhyam > > > > PutraVikhnam Medhavi Madhurabhashi > > > > Budhiman Bavadipe Balayute. > > > > Balaheene PutranasaH Aputra > > > > DattuputraPraptiH Papakarmi MantravadiH > > > > [if Me is in 5th health problems to Maternal uncle in Me > > Dasa should be > > told. The native would be intelligent, speaking good words, > > will have a > > sweet sound, and good memory. There would be trouble in having > > children. > > If the 5th lord is weak abortions could happen or the native > > wont have > > children. She will adopt children. He will do bad deeds, and > > will > > believe in Mantravada, and will know secret hymns] > > > > > > > > Chamalkara Chintramani states (If Me is in 5th house)- > > > > Vayasyadime Putragarbho na tishtad > > > > Bhavettasya medhartha sampadayitri > > > > Budhairbhanyate panchame rouhineya > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness./webhosting > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, Thanks once again for your clarifications. This is my second daughter. She has an elder sister. So, Ju in Sg is the correct position in Navamsha? Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Krishna, > Please look at the chart using True Ayanamsa of > Chandrahari.(46 min > more than Lahari). If you are using JHora you can do it easily > by > setting the Ayanamsa value to be '46 min more than Lahari'. > > ==> > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > indicating > > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having > children. > > > Thus a good > > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > <== > Yes, I made a mistke in in looking at the position of Ju. > sorry. But > still Ju is in 12th from Moon; 6th lord in 5th; Me in 5th; all > > indicate the same result - and thus that derivation holds. > > Reagarding other comments - > * Even if Mercury is combest Nipuna Yoga holds. > * Marriage is timed to happen in Me=>Su. (as per True > Ayanamsa) > ==> > > 7th lord Saturn is combust and Venus occupies 12th > > from Navamsha lagna. > <== > * Yes, of course 7th lord Sa is combust. But Sa aspects 7th > and 7th > is aspected by Ju and Ma (9th lord) as well. " Yapya bhavanti > subhekshita " [Even the bad results become hidden and good when > > benifics aspect the sign]. Further Ve is in 7th from Moon > sign, and > is exalted in Navamsa. > * Considering 12th from Navamsa Legna is not supported by > classics. > All the aspects and houses should be read from the natal chart > itself. > > ==> > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > > good. Isn't it? > <== > Ju navamsa is in Swamsa (in Sagittarius). Otherwise with 3 > Malefics > in 5th and with a Ju debilitated in Navama your daughter would > not > had such good intelligence and interest in education. Further > Me > aspecting 11th its own house, and Ju significator of elders in > 11th, > Ju in swamsa: Indicates that she has an elder brother/sister; > possibly brother itself. If this is confirmed you can be sure > that Ju > is in Sagittarius navamsa itself; if not Ju could be treated > as > having Capricorn Navamsa. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Sreendh, > > > > Please drop the 'ji'. > > > > At the outset, I thank you very much for spending time to > look > > into my daughter's chart and for giving your valuable > analysis. > > > > I have some questions/comments on what you have said: > > > > > The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself > is > > > aspected > > > by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal > lagna, in > > > its own > > > house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th > house. > > > These > > > combinations indicate that the native would be > intelligent, > > > having good > > > memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in > > > swakshetra), > > > inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god. > > > > > > Though there is Nipuna Yoga, note that Mercury is combust. > Agree > > on the rest. > > > > > > > > > 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with > Saturn; > > > 7th house > > > is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the > > > marriage will > > > happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th > lord); > > > 7th > > > aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th; > Ke > > > Navamsa in > > > 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage. > > > > > > The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord; > the > > > Lagna lord > > > placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th > lord). > > > The native > > > will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e. > > > around > > > 2016-17, at the age of 26-27. > > > > > > There are two points to be noted here. 7th lord Saturn is > > combust and Venus occupies 12th from Navamsha lagna. In > > addition, Venus is retrograde. I guess these will pose > > additional challenges to the timing of the marriage. > Exaltation > > of Venus in Navamsha provides some respite. > > > > > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > indicating > > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having > children. > > > Thus a good > > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > > > > > > > > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in > > > swakshetra in > > > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From > > > Libra to > > > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above > > > combinations indicate > > > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju > being > > > the child > > > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by > > > 2022-2024, at the > > > age of 32-34. > > > > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > > good. Isn't it? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore. > > > > > > Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is > > > retrograde) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra > > > > > > 2) Virgo : ----- > > > > > > 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa > > > > > > 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su > > > > > > 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju) > > > > > > 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma > > > > > > 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke > > > > > > 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve) > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Dear Krishna, Yes, it is. Love, SreenadhKrishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Sreenadh,Thanks once again for your clarifications.This is my second daughter. She has an elder sister. So, Ju inSg is the correct position in Navamsha?Regards,Krishna--- Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:> Dear Krishna,> Please look at the chart using True Ayanamsa of> Chandrahari.(46 min > more than Lahari). If you are using JHora you can do it easily> by > setting the Ayanamsa value to be '46 min more than Lahari'.> > ==>> > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All> > > indicating> > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having> children.> > > Thus a good> > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children.> > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th.> <==> Yes, I made a mistke in in looking at the position of Ju.> sorry. But > still Ju is in 12th from Moon; 6th lord in 5th; Me in 5th; all> > indicate the same result - and thus that derivation holds.> > Reagarding other comments -> * Even if Mercury is combest Nipuna Yoga holds. > * Marriage is timed to happen in Me=>Su. (as per True> Ayanamsa)> ==>> > 7th lord Saturn is combust and Venus occupies 12th > > from Navamsha lagna.> <==> * Yes, of course 7th lord Sa is combust. But Sa aspects 7th> and 7th > is aspected by Ju and Ma (9th lord) as well. "Yapya bhavanti > subhekshita" [Even the bad results become hidden and good when> > benifics aspect the sign]. Further Ve is in 7th from Moon> sign, and > is exalted in Navamsa.> * Considering 12th from Navamsa Legna is not supported by> classics. > All the aspects and houses should be read from the natal chart> itself.> > ==>> > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very> > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in> > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look> > good. Isn't it?> <==> Ju navamsa is in Swamsa (in Sagittarius). Otherwise with 3> Malefics > in 5th and with a Ju debilitated in Navama your daughter would> not > had such good intelligence and interest in education. Further> Me > aspecting 11th its own house, and Ju significator of elders in> 11th, > Ju in swamsa: Indicates that she has an elder brother/sister; > possibly brother itself. If this is confirmed you can be sure> that Ju > is in Sagittarius navamsa itself; if not Ju could be treated> as > having Capricorn Navamsa.> Love,> Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:> >> > Dear Sreendh,> > > > Please drop the 'ji'.> > > > At the outset, I thank you very much for spending time to> look> > into my daughter's chart and for giving your valuable> analysis.> > > > I have some questions/comments on what you have said:> > > > > The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself> is> > > aspected> > > by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal> lagna, in> > > its own> > > house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th> house.> > > These> > > combinations indicate that the native would be> intelligent,> > > having good> > > memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in> > > swakshetra),> > > inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god.> > > > > > Though there is Nipuna Yoga, note that Mercury is combust.> Agree> > on the rest.> > > > > > > > > 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with> Saturn;> > > 7th house> > > is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the> > > marriage will> > > happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th> lord);> > > 7th> > > aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th;> Ke> > > Navamsa in> > > 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage.> > > > > > The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord;> the> > > Lagna lord> > > placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th> lord).> > > The native> > > will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e.> > > around> > > 2016-17, at the age of 26-27.> > > > > > There are two points to be noted here. 7th lord Saturn is> > combust and Venus occupies 12th from Navamsha lagna. In> > addition, Venus is retrograde. I guess these will pose> > additional challenges to the timing of the marriage.> Exaltation> > of Venus in Navamsha provides some respite.> > > > > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All> > > indicating> > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having> children.> > > Thus a good> > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children.> > > > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th.> > > > > > > > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in> > > swakshetra in> > > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From> > > Libra to> > > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above> > > combinations indicate> > > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju> being> > > the child> > > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by> > > 2022-2024, at the> > > age of 32-34.> > > > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very> > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in> > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look> > good. Isn't it?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,> > > > > > Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore.> > > > > > Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is> > > retrograde)> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra> > > > > > 2) Virgo : -----> > > > > > 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa> > > > > > 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su> > > > > > 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju)> > > > > > 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma> > > > > > 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke> > > > > > 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve)> > > > === message truncated ===________Boardwalk for $500? 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Namaste Sreenadh, Two questions. What would the ayanamsha be if we take topocentric position of the moon ? Would the moon parallax bring Lahiri in line with Chandra Hari ? Secondly with this chart, why guru has to be in swamsha to give older sister. Guru in 11 th can give older sibling and guru debilited may give sister than brother. Thanks .... On 7/2/07, sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Krishna, Yes, it is. Love, SreenadhKrishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: Dear Sreenadh,Thanks once again for your clarifications.This is my second daughter. She has an elder sister. So, Ju inSg is the correct position in Navamsha?Regards,Krishna--- Sreenadh < sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna,> Please look at the chart using True Ayanamsa of > Chandrahari.(46 min > more than Lahari). If you are using JHora you can do it easily> by > setting the Ayanamsa value to be '46 min more than Lahari'.> > ==>> > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > indicating> > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having> children.> > > Thus a good> > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th.> <==> Yes, I made a mistke in in looking at the position of Ju.> sorry. But > still Ju is in 12th from Moon; 6th lord in 5th; Me in 5th; all > > indicate the same result - and thus that derivation holds.> > Reagarding other comments -> * Even if Mercury is combest Nipuna Yoga holds. > * Marriage is timed to happen in Me=>Su. (as per True > Ayanamsa)> ==>> > 7th lord Saturn is combust and Venus occupies 12th > > from Navamsha lagna.> <==> * Yes, of course 7th lord Sa is combust. But Sa aspects 7th> and 7th > is aspected by Ju and Ma (9th lord) as well. " Yapya bhavanti > subhekshita " [Even the bad results become hidden and good when> > benifics aspect the sign]. Further Ve is in 7th from Moon > sign, and > is exalted in Navamsa.> * Considering 12th from Navamsa Legna is not supported by> classics. > All the aspects and houses should be read from the natal chart> itself. > > ==>> > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very> > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in> > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > > good. Isn't it?> <==> Ju navamsa is in Swamsa (in Sagittarius). Otherwise with 3> Malefics > in 5th and with a Ju debilitated in Navama your daughter would> not > had such good intelligence and interest in education. Further> Me > aspecting 11th its own house, and Ju significator of elders in> 11th, > Ju in swamsa: Indicates that she has an elder brother/sister; > possibly brother itself. If this is confirmed you can be sure> that Ju > is in Sagittarius navamsa itself; if not Ju could be treated> as > having Capricorn Navamsa.> Love,> Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:> >> > Dear Sreendh,> > > > Please drop the 'ji'.> > > > At the outset, I thank you very much for spending time to > look> > into my daughter's chart and for giving your valuable> analysis.> > > > I have some questions/comments on what you have said:> > > > > The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself > is> > > aspected> > > by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal> lagna, in> > > its own> > > house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th > house.> > > These> > > combinations indicate that the native would be> intelligent,> > > having good> > > memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in > > > swakshetra),> > > inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god.> > > > > > Though there is Nipuna Yoga, note that Mercury is combust.> Agree> > on the rest. > > > > > > > > > 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with> Saturn;> > > 7th house> > > is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the > > > marriage will> > > happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th> lord);> > > 7th> > > aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th; > Ke> > > Navamsa in> > > 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage.> > > > > > The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord;> the> > > Lagna lord > > > placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th> lord).> > > The native> > > will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e.> > > around> > > 2016-17, at the age of 26-27. > > > > > > There are two points to be noted here. 7th lord Saturn is> > combust and Venus occupies 12th from Navamsha lagna. In> > addition, Venus is retrograde. I guess these will pose > > additional challenges to the timing of the marriage.> Exaltation> > of Venus in Navamsha provides some respite.> > > > > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > indicating> > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having> children.> > > Thus a good> > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th.> > > > > > > > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in> > > swakshetra in > > > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From> > > Libra to> > > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above> > > combinations indicate> > > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju > being> > > the child> > > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by> > > 2022-2024, at the> > > age of 32-34.> > > > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in> > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look> > good. Isn't it?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,> > > > > > Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore. > > > > > > Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is> > > retrograde)> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra > > > > > > 2) Virgo : -----> > > > > > 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa> > > > > > 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su> > > > > > 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju) > > > > > > 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma> > > > > > 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke> > > > > > 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve)> > > > === message truncated ===________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection.Try the free Mail Beta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Pandit ji, ==> > What would the ayanamsha be if we take topocentric position of the > moon ? > Would the moon parallax bring Lahiri in line with Chandra Hari ? <== I don't have the knowledge to answer both these questions. I value the Ayanamsa provided by Chandra Hari only because it is not his own, but the Ayanamsa reflected Ancient Sury Sidhanta. Actually it the Ancient Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsa, based on which the whole 108 Navamsa divisions, signs and stellar divisions as divisions of ecliptic systematically theorized to perfection. Actually I am favor of geocentric than topocentric view (both relative to earth), but my knowledge in such matters is so feeble that I can not comment much on the same. In such situation how can I even understand the question " What would the Ayanamsa be if we take topocentric position of the moon? " . May be chandrahari would be able to answer that question -or may be not. I don't know. ==> > Secondly with this chart, why guru has to be in swamsha to give > older sister. <== I think your indication is in the direction that - Capricorn being an even (Yugma) sign should give sister, and Sagittarius being odd (Oja) should give brother. But you should not that my prediction itself was based on a doubt in my own mind, which become clarified with that prediction itself. I will clarify. In the said chart - 1) The 11th house is owned by Me; A Sthri Napumsaka planet. [female] 2) Me aspects the 11th house as well; [female] 3) From Moon 11th house is owned by Ve; A female planet; [female] 4) Ve is placed in an even sign; [female] 5) 11th lord from Moon, Ve is exalted in Navamsa in an even sign [female] 6) The 11th lord from Lagna (Me) is placed in an odd sign [male] 7) Ju is only the significator of elder, and not the planet showing the sex of the elder itself. As you could see clearly " female " gets majority here - as per " dwi tri samvada bhaval " . After seeing all these indications I should have told that she will have an elder sister. But I have committed the usual mistake! i.e. Taking the significator to indicate the sex of the elder sister itself! Because- 1) Ju is placed in 11th from Lagna. [male] 2) Ju Navamsa falling in odd sign [male] This is a mistake I should have avoided. The doubt was there in my mind, (brother/sister) because I new that I am considering the significator as the person itself, but then with the doubt itself thought put forward the idea (possibly elder brother itself), so that It would get clarified and my doubt would be cleared. And the actual result, as you know, " elder sister " . That is why my statement- " my prediction itself was based on a doubt in my own mind, which become clarified with that prediction itself " . I hope the point is clear. Ju is in Sagittarius navamsa, just emphasizing the presence of an elder one; and the elder is a female as indicated by Me and Ve. If Ju was in Cp navamsa it should have indicated the absence or loss of an elder one with the navamsa falling in 8th house from the house from Gemini (the house in which Ju is posited). This would have been emphasized by the presence of Ma (6th lord from Gemini) there in Navamsa, and the presence of Ra (incomplete) in Capricorn. Love, Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste Sreenadh, > > Two questions. > > What would the ayanamsha be if we take topocentric position of the moon ? > Would the moon parallax bring Lahiri in line with Chandra Hari ? > > Secondly with this chart, why guru has to be in swamsha to give older > sister. > > Guru in 11 th can give older sibling and guru debilited may give sister than > brother. > > Thanks > > ... > > > On 7/2/07, sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna, > > Yes, it is. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > *Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998* wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > Thanks once again for your clarifications. > > > > This is my second daughter. She has an elder sister. So, Ju in > > Sg is the correct position in Navamsha? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > Please look at the chart using True Ayanamsa of > > > Chandrahari.(46 min > > > more than Lahari). If you are using JHora you can do it easily > > > by > > > setting the Ayanamsa value to be '46 min more than Lahari'. > > > > > > ==> > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > > > indicating > > > > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having > > > children. > > > > > Thus a good > > > > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > > > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > > > <== > > > Yes, I made a mistke in in looking at the position of Ju. > > > sorry. But > > > still Ju is in 12th from Moon; 6th lord in 5th; Me in 5th; all > > > > > > indicate the same result - and thus that derivation holds. > > > > > > Reagarding other comments - > > > * Even if Mercury is combest Nipuna Yoga holds. > > > * Marriage is timed to happen in Me=>Su. (as per True > > > Ayanamsa) > > > ==> > > > > 7th lord Saturn is combust and Venus occupies 12th > > > > from Navamsha lagna. > > > <== > > > * Yes, of course 7th lord Sa is combust. But Sa aspects 7th > > > and 7th > > > is aspected by Ju and Ma (9th lord) as well. " Yapya bhavanti > > > subhekshita " [Even the bad results become hidden and good when > > > > > > benifics aspect the sign]. Further Ve is in 7th from Moon > > > sign, and > > > is exalted in Navamsa. > > > * Considering 12th from Navamsa Legna is not supported by > > > classics. > > > All the aspects and houses should be read from the natal chart > > > itself. > > > > > > ==> > > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > > > > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > > > > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > > > > good. Isn't it? > > > <== > > > Ju navamsa is in Swamsa (in Sagittarius). Otherwise with 3 > > > Malefics > > > in 5th and with a Ju debilitated in Navama your daughter would > > > not > > > had such good intelligence and interest in education. Further > > > Me > > > aspecting 11th its own house, and Ju significator of elders in > > > 11th, > > > Ju in swamsa: Indicates that she has an elder brother/sister; > > > possibly brother itself. If this is confirmed you can be sure > > > that Ju > > > is in Sagittarius navamsa itself; if not Ju could be treated > > > as > > > having Capricorn Navamsa. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreendh, > > > > > > > > Please drop the 'ji'. > > > > > > > > At the outset, I thank you very much for spending time to > > > look > > > > into my daughter's chart and for giving your valuable > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > I have some questions/comments on what you have said: > > > > > > > > > The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself > > > is > > > > > aspected > > > > > by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal > > > lagna, in > > > > > its own > > > > > house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th > > > house. > > > > > These > > > > > combinations indicate that the native would be > > > intelligent, > > > > > having good > > > > > memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in > > > > > swakshetra), > > > > > inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god. > > > > > > > > > > > > Though there is Nipuna Yoga, note that Mercury is combust. > > > Agree > > > > on the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with > > > Saturn; > > > > > 7th house > > > > > is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the > > > > > marriage will > > > > > happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th > > > lord); > > > > > 7th > > > > > aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th; > > > Ke > > > > > Navamsa in > > > > > 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage. > > > > > > > > > > The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord; > > > the > > > > > Lagna lord > > > > > placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th > > > lord). > > > > > The native > > > > > will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e. > > > > > around > > > > > 2016-17, at the age of 26-27. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two points to be noted here. 7th lord Saturn is > > > > combust and Venus occupies 12th from Navamsha lagna. In > > > > addition, Venus is retrograde. I guess these will pose > > > > additional challenges to the timing of the marriage. > > > Exaltation > > > > of Venus in Navamsha provides some respite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > > > indicating > > > > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having > > > children. > > > > > Thus a good > > > > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in > > > > > swakshetra in > > > > > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From > > > > > Libra to > > > > > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above > > > > > combinations indicate > > > > > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju > > > being > > > > > the child > > > > > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by > > > > > 2022-2024, at the > > > > > age of 32-34. > > > > > > > > > > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > > > > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > > > > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > > > > good. Isn't it? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore. > > > > > > > > > > Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is > > > > > retrograde) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra > > > > > > > > > > 2) Virgo : ----- > > > > > > > > > > 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa > > > > > > > > > > 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su > > > > > > > > > > 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju) > > > > > > > > > > 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma > > > > > > > > > > 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke > > > > > > > > > > 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve) > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > ________ > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > > for today's economy) at Games. > > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > > Try the free Mail Beta. > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Dr.Neelam Gupta Ji, Namaste. The gentleman's Guru dasa will be starting very soon and it should help him.Here the problem is Guru ( Vakra ) became direct at his 46th year and is ready to give beneficial results after performing some remedial measures.But now look at Shani,the Karma Karaka.Guru is the giver of results of one's Karma.So here Shani is Vakra for about 129 years and its half is 64 and half years.His present age is about 40 % of Vakra Shani's progressed years.So starting from this present age, there will be slow developments in his life because he has not started to experience the Past life Karmas and as the age advances towards 60 +,he will listen to the Gurus and will try to perform the remedies and happiness will slowly start in his life.Without performing the remedies,he will not improve in his life as his long awaiting past karmas debts are not worn out. I am still working on this theory. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: cyberart_infosDate: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:18:16 -0700RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Shri Raoji, Namaste Many thanks for your valuable commentry on the chart. I guess you are right about the karmic debts. This native is being thrown into situations for visiting places for tarpan. During the last year only he was made to visit Pushkar and Nasik both. Isn't that quite strange! He was chased by many pundits at pushkar for pitr pooja, but being a non believer, he never did it. After a few months he had to go to Nasik and visited Trimbakeshwar, where he did an exclusive Rudrabhishek, but didn't do pitr pooja. Do you think these visits were indicative of those karmic connections and he lost the chance to perform the pooja. Is there any other remedy for this problem. What will be his Guru MD like. Instead of improving, in 2002, he had to wind up a business of 16 years. although the business was not doing too well, but now its over. His wife is highly educated and into a business which is running extremely well. He is now involved in the same business. That way this person is quite well off. As expected Rahu-Mars dasha chhidr is not good and has given him health problems. Mars as 6L in 7H with marak 2L and aspecing marak 7L Jupiter in 2H is quite indicative of health problems. Please share your views on results of Jup MD, especially JU-Ju. Regarding Saturn, he does not get along with his father and there is a clash of idealogies which is a life-long problem. If you see saturn has given 0 ashtakvarga points in cancer. therefore, last 2 and a half years of saturns stay in cancer were very troublesome for him. It was ashtak shani also for him. Do you think with shani's transit in Leo things could become better. I shall be grateful if you please give me some more indepth into these areas. Thank you very much NeelamHosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Dr.Neelam Gupta Ji,Namaste.In the horoscope you provided,Guru is Vakra in Karka Rashi.Karka Rashi is the Uccha Rashi for Guru,so as per Uttara Kalamrita,when a planet is in its Uccha Rashi but Vakra it gives the result as if it is debilitated.As this Guru (V) indicates deep rooted Karmic indication,till the age of 46 years his family life and profession will not be prospered or in other words, eventhough he works hard and shows his love and affection towards his wife,and children,he is not getting the same from them in the way he expects.Also eventhough he is a hard working native,he is not happy in his work as he is being neglected in his job.So mentally he is not happy.Just look at Patni Karaka Shukra is with Ketu,the Vairagya Karaka.This is another affliction to his family life.Now from 2002 onwards,there is some relief in his life but there is one more thing is that this Vakra Guru is with Mandi and this indicates that this gentleman is a rebirth to the same family to perform some remedies for the Brahman Shaap which his family might have got 2-3 generations before.A Brahmin boy in the family 2-3 generations before after the performing of Brahmopadesham,died of unnatural death ( might be drowned into water pond or river ? ) and no Kriya Karmas were performed at that time.So this gentleman is born again in the same family to perform the Kriya Karmas for the died person to give Mukti to that soul.Very soon Guru dasa is commencing and he will be forced to perform this remedy.Now regarding Shani (V),he is 8th and 9th lord placed in 6th.Here the long standing Karmic connection is with father which is not completed in this life and will be postponed to the next life ? You can see debilitated Rahu is coming nearer to Shani to swallow him and Shani going away with fear ( Vakra ).Here Rahu can be considered as some enemies trying to trouble his father and is trying to escape from trouble but this gentleman could not help him.Even in his career also,there are some problems from somebody and he has to pass such difficulties.The above interpretation is of mine and may be different from other scholars.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. From: cyberart_infos Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:30:33 -0700RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Ramadas Raoji, Thanks for giving us a time parameter for studying the retrogrades. A native has Gemini lagna with 7th and 10lord exalted and retrograde in 2nd house and 8th and ninth lord saturn retrogrades in 6th house. Jupiter becomes direct after 46 days of birth and saturn after 129 days. Does it mean that karmic debts regarding Jupiter will be over after 46 years whereas for saturn they might spill over to next life. The native has a debilitated lagna lord in 10th house with 3rd lord sun. Mars and moon in 7th house and venus is swagrahi in 12th house. Ra is with saturn in 6th house and ke with ven in 12th. I would really appreciate if you could throw some light on the affects of these positions. Also I seek comments from all other scholars on the combination. The native is highly qualified professional but is not satisfied with his progress in life. Though he is very well placed. His birth details are: DOB 3.4.56/TOB 11.30/POB Meerut I will be grateful for all your expert comments. Thanks Dr Neelam Gupta Jyotish AcharyaHosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Prafulla Ji,Regarding Vakra Shukra what you write will hold good.If Shukra is Vakra during birth time and it becomes direct after 25 days, that means the debts of past life connected with the lordship and Karakatta of Shukra will be almost complete and progress in such areas will improve after 25 years of age.Regarding Guru, what you wrote is not correct.Please try to apply these principles and see the results.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. From: jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) comDate: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:19:02 -0800RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Ramdas ji,So if planet is retro - for example venus is retro in someone's chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart. Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal chart analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its backward aspect (for its retrogression) from 25th year?Like wise - if a planet has become retrograde (for example guru) in 15th progressed year. So after 15th year, should we consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."************************************************> > ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:37:07 +0000> > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left over Karmas> from past life which the native during his/her death might have thought> of.> For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord Shani is Vakra and is> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its lord Budha is in 3rd> house in Meena Rashi with Guru and Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30 years, I am working in the same designation.My> friends got promotions and are in very good status.But my monetary> position is comparitively better than my friends.Almost most of my> earnings are being spent for the family and other close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating family.Shani is also Karma Karaka.> Also I have worked on this matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and see when it becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days> from the day of birth till the Graha becomes direct.Now consider one day> as one year,so the number of days becomes number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra Shani becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long awaiting Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 years of> age.This means there are some obstacles in my progress in the life till I> complete 81 years of age, if I live up to that age.But I also found out> that after about 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my> progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also observed> that after about 50% of the total years ie., around 1992, a steep> increase in my life's progress in all spheres of the life.> Now suppose if the person dies before the stipulated years shown by Vakra> Graha,then again that Karma will be postponed to the next life.> Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some success> in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue their efforts to get some> more deeper connections related to Vakra Grahas.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > From:> navagraha Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was> no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you> suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma.> > ...> On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > Hare krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past> lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with> other textual references> mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her .> rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational pursuits .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and> others> regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> >> "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not> dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter> has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data> point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I>> always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't> understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak,> in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here> are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being> one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally>> retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > *>> The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > >>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a>> malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to>> undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results>> would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>> will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good,>> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically>> retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>> planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and>> we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner>> planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is>> bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are>> in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is>> better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are>> attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how>> seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available>> nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special>> importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally>> indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said>> mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even>> though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate>> that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual>> support) > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>> , "kankan_73" > > kankan_73@>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's>> life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > >>> retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they>> signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and>> vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your>> views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> >________>> > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Achyutanandadasa Ji, Thanks for your encouraging mail.So I request other members in this list to do further research in this field.If an Astrologer daily does his Ishta Devatha Mantra Japas,naturally he will get some intuitional powers and he can use such powers to do some research works in such rare fields.Whatever I have written in my previous mails will not be available in any ancient classics and it is my deep devotion to Jyotish has prompted me to take this difficult subject for exploration.Even whatever I did my research is not mine and everything came from my Ishta Devatha only and I just wrote those research studies in these kind of mails. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: acyutanandadasaDate: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 06:53:14 -0700RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Pretty interesting, any other case studies. I think this would make a great research topic.HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Pandit Ji,Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left over Karmas from past life which the native during his/her death might have thought of.For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord Shani is Vakra and is placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its lord Budha is in 3rd house in Meena Rashi with Guru and Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified person,from last 30 years, I am working in the same designation.My friends got promotions and are in very good status.But my monetary position is comparitively better than my friends.Almost most of my earnings are being spent for the family and other close relatives.See that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating family.Shani is also Karma Karaka.Also I have worked on this matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra Graha and see when it becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days from the day of birth till the Graha becomes direct.Now consider one day as one year,so the number of days becomes number of years.For example in my chart, Vakra Shani becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some long awaiting Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 years of age.This means there are some obstacles in my progress in the life till I complete 81 years of age, if I live up to that age.But I also found out that after about 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also observed that after about 50% of the total years ie., around 1992, a steep increase in my life's progress in all spheres of the life.Now suppose if the person dies before the stipulated years shown by Vakra Graha,then again that Karma will be postponed to the next life.Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some success in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars in this list to check the reality in my work and continue their efforts to get some more deeper connections related to Vakra Grahas.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. From: navagraha Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Namaste, Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma. .... On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hare krishna,dear krishnaji, As far as retro planets are concerned i also support the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with other textual references mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various educational pursuits .Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and othersregrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> > "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request.> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual support) > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "kankan_73" > > kankan_73@ wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow> Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club. Join Live Search Club! Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Live Earth is coming. Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. Check it out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Krishnamurthy Ji, Namaste. Thanks for your encouraging mail.I am also a science student who completed my B.Sc.in Physics and Chemistry in 1971.But from my young age I was thinking why I am born in this world and what is my job here etc.etc.During my job in 1973, I met a person who was good in Palmistry and he told me so many secrets of my life after looking at my palms.Then I got interest in Palmistry and bought a lot of Palmistry books and learnt a lot from those books.Even then I was not satisfied.Then my Guru at that time told me that if I learn Jyotish, I can explore many things of our life and he said my chart is good to beome a good Astrologer.So in 1984, I started learning Jyotish in Kuwait where I am working now with the help of my Guru Mantralaya Shri Raghavendra Swami Ji.I brought the books of Dr.B.V.Raman and started learning Jyotish and within a year one of my colleage asked a emergency reading and eventhough I am new to this field,he forced me to tell something.I gave a reading which became 100 % correct and turned his life completely.Then I took further interest and studied many classics like Brihat Jataka, BPHS ,Prashna Margam etc.Then I was facinated by Shri R.G.Rao's Nadi books and so I went to him and accepted him as my Nadi Guru.So in that bok, he explained about the Vakra planets have to be considered from its previous house also.When I applied, it started giving accurate results.Then I started a comphrehensive study of Varka Grahas and I thought there must be a deep connection with these Vakra Grahas and our long awaiting past life Karmas.I made a deep study on these Grahas and the result I gave to all of you in these mails.I have explained this in SJC's VA list some years before and everybody got interested at that time but after some no further studies in this line. Anyhow now I am coming to Mangalore which is my native place on vacation for about 35 days.If you are interested ,please contact me at 9845798996 after 8th of July. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: krishna_1998Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:23:35 -0700RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Ramadas Rao,This is interesting. It is for the first time that I am hearingsomeone confidently talk about the aspects of retrograde planetsbeing different. I will pay attention to what you have said andcheck it out.As a student of Science, I can understand that there will bedefinitive difference in electromagnetic force frequencyexperienced at a point caused by a planet relative in motionfrom the point of measurement. This effect is called "DopplerEffect" in Physics. To understand what is Doppler Effect, onecould look at the following web site:http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/doppler.htmlIt is clear that there will be difference in the influence of aplanet in direct motion as against a planet which is moving awayrelative to earth. But, the question is how to map "DopplerEffect" of retrograde planets in Astrology.What you have suggest could be the answer. More research needsto be done in this area to understand the effect systematically.Regards,Krishna--- HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> Dear Prafulla Ji,> Yes, 8 signs and you apply and see how it works.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > From:> jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) comDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:17:22 -0800Subject:> RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > Dear Ramdas jiSo when retrograde - planet look at previous> sign (12th house) or they look from previous sign (so guru> retrograde in taurus - so from aries - it will aspect 5/7/9)?> Now what happens to guru's aspect from taurus? - should it be> considered or not at all. If to be considered ..then will guru> influence 8 signs?regards / Prafulla> Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net"The right to be heard does not> automatically include the right to be taken> seriously."************************************************>> > ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:10:27 +0000> To:> > RE:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear> Pandit Ji,> Namaste.> Brihat Nadi Astrology by Shri R.G.Rao> mentions about the Vakra Grahas> aspect from the previous> house also.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > To:> From:>> navagraha Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:17:18> -0400Re:> Re: Retrograde> Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Where is it mentioned that> vakri grahas aspect in reverse direction ? Is> there any> support for this?> > ...> On 6/29/07, Prafulla Gang> <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Ramdas ji,So if> planet is retro - for example venus is retro in> someone's> chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart.>> Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal> chart> analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its> backward aspect (for> its retrogression) from 25th year? Like> wise - if a planet has become> retrograde (for example guru)> in 15th progressed year. So after 15th> year, should we> consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as>> backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla>> Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net"The right to be heard does not> automatically> include the right to be taken seriously.">> ************************************************>> -----Original> Message-----> ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> Thu, 28 Jun 2007> 20:37:07 +0000> To:> >> RE:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear>>> Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate> strong left>> over Karmas > from past life which the native> during his/her death might>> have thought> of.> For example,> in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord>> Shani is Vakra and is>> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its>> lord Budha> is in 3rd > house in Meena Rashi with Guru and>>> Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30> years, I am>> working in the same designation.My> friends got> promotions and are in>> very good status.But my monetary >> position is comparitively better than>> my friends.Almost most> of my> earnings are being spent for the family>> and other> close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating>>> family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. > Also I have worked on> this>> matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and> see when it>> becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days>> from the day of birth>> till the Graha becomes direct.Now> consider one day> as one year,so the>> number of days becomes> number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra>> Shani> becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long> awaiting>> Karma from the previous life till I complete 81> years of > age.This>> means there are some obstacles in my> progress in the life till I>>> complete 81 years of age, if I> live up to that age.But I also found out>>> that after about> 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my >>>> progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also> observed>>> that after about 50% of the total years ie.,> around 1992, a steep>>> increase in my life's progress in all> spheres of the life. > Now suppose>> if the person dies before> the stipulated years shown by Vakra>>> Graha,then again that> Karma will be postponed to the next life.>>> Ofcourse,I have> taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some>> success >> in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars>>> in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue> their efforts>> to get some> more deeper connections related> to Vakra Grahas.> With>> Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > To:>>> From :>> navagraha Date:>> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09> -0400Re:>> Re: Retrograde> Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> >>> Isn't the entire horoscope a> mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was>> > no unfinished> karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you>>>> suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha> karma.> > ...>>> On 6/28/07, sunil nair <> astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > >>> > > Hare> krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are>>> concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some> unfinished>> krama or desires from past > lives ,depending on> karakatwas and>> placements and lordships.Along with> other> textual references> mercury>> in her case is in exchange with> jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of>> 5th and 11th lords,so> i dont think bad for her . > rest u know as a>> scholar urself> .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral skills>>> and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational> pursuits>> .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments> from sri .sreenath and>> > others> regrds sunil nair> om> shreem mahalaxmai namah.> --- In>>> , Krishnamurthy>> Seetharama>> <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > >> You said:> >> "Too many>> planets in retrograde may also> indicate that the man> is not >>> dependable (this statement> lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter>>> has three> planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I> don't>>> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am> just giving you a data>> > point.> > In any case, as three> planets are retrograde in her chart,>> I>> always see it as a> roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I >>> don't>> understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde.> Dr.>> Charak, > in his book, says that retrograde> planets> cause health>> problems.> > Here> are the birth details:> >> DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB:>> 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be> interested to know how would be her>> Mercury MD,> Mercury> being > one of the retrograde planets.> > I look>> forward to> your comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request>>> as a chart reading request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> ---> Sreenadh>> sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> >> Generally >> retrograde is>> considered as good. It is said in> > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in>> retrograde will give> the > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a>> cute> thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * >>> The>> planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> >> on a > >>>>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If> the planet is a>>>> malefic, the person will suffer for> >> long, and > > will have to >>>> undertake hard effort even for> small benefits and > > the > > results>>>> would be usually> delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>>>> will> materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is> good, >>>> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > >> Thinking astronomically>>>> retrograde is just our assumption> and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>>>> planet is always in> direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> >> the> angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is> more>> and>> we will feel that the planet is in > >> retrograde.> > * For>> inner>> planets when the planet orbits> sun (since the > > earth's > >>> orbit is >> bigger than their> orbit) we will have the feeling> > that>> they > > are>> in> retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the>> above> words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A>>> pictorial description is >> better to> > understand > > the> same] > > >>> > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional> reference we don't > >>> find > > many slokas that are>>> attributed to the discussion of> >>> retrograde > > motion.> They some how >> seems to be satisfied with the>> general > >> statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for>>> > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results> of>> individual> > planets are > > neither available >> nor> the earlier>> scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much> special>> importance to it.>> > > But still 3 planets in> retrograde generally>> indicate the> >>> presence of > > too> much opposing conditions in the said >> mans life,>> which he>> > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate>>> that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success,> even>> though>> delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde> may also indicate >> that>> the man is not dependable> > (this> > > statement lacks textual>>>> support) > > Love,> >> Sreenadh> > > > --- In>>>>> , "kankan_73" > >> kankan_73@>>>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I> would like to know>>>> something about Retrograde Planets and>> > their > > > effects in one's>> >> life.> > > Today, I have> seen a chart in which 3 planets are > >>>>> retrograde. Is > >> there > > > anything special in this. What they>>>> signify.> Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord> >>>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > >> theories like>>>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like >> > debilitated > > > and>>>> vise versa. Is there some thing> more than this.> > > Kindly give your >>>> views. > > > > > >> Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > >>> >>>> >________ >>> >>> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Shri Raoji, Namaste Many thanks once again for throwing light on this tricky combination. Will Guru's aspect on the Vakri Shani give some solace and bring him some peace of mind in Guru's dasha. Shani is also 9th lord sitting in 6H. He has a good life, children, money, wife, etc. but only his professional life has not bore fruits if seen independently. Will wife get to play a role in bringing him professional solace as guru is 7L and 10L. Already since 2004 he is totally involved in the business started by his wife. The native wants to set up his own successful enterprise as his previous one was not successful. Do you think he will get an opportunity to start something in Ju-Ju. Should he try or not try for an independent venture. Also if you could suggest any remedy/remedies to reduce the effects of previous karmas. Your analysis of situation in relation with past karmas has given a new perspective to the results of these planets. I shall be grateful if you kindly elaborate further on this. What is the contribution of debilitated mercury in this combination. Jupiter also aspects the LL mer in 10H. Thnaks once again Neelam HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: Dear Dr.Neelam Gupta Ji,Namaste.The gentleman's Guru dasa will be starting very soon and it should help him.Here the problem is Guru ( Vakra ) became direct at his 46th year and is ready to give beneficial results after performing some remedial measures.But now look at Shani,the Karma Karaka.Guru is the giver of results of one's Karma.So here Shani is Vakra for about 129 years and its half is 64 and half years.His present age is about 40 % of Vakra Shani's progressed years.So starting from this present age, there will be slow developments in his life because he has not started to experience the Past life Karmas and as the age advances towards 60 +,he will listen to the Gurus and will try to perform the remedies and happiness will slowly start in his life.Without performing the remedies,he will not improve in his life as his long awaiting past karmas debts are not worn out.I am still working on this theory.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. From: cyberart_infos Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:18:16 -0700RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Shri Raoji, Namaste Many thanks for your valuable commentry on the chart. I guess you are right about the karmic debts. This native is being thrown into situations for visiting places for tarpan. During the last year only he was made to visit Pushkar and Nasik both. Isn't that quite strange! He was chased by many pundits at pushkar for pitr pooja, but being a non believer, he never did it. After a few months he had to go to Nasik and visited Trimbakeshwar, where he did an exclusive Rudrabhishek, but didn't do pitr pooja. Do you think these visits were indicative of those karmic connections and he lost the chance to perform the pooja. Is there any other remedy for this problem. What will be his Guru MD like. Instead of improving, in 2002, he had to wind up a business of 16 years. although the business was not doing too well, but now its over. His wife is highly educated and into a business which is running extremely well. He is now involved in the same business. That way this person is quite well off. As expected Rahu-Mars dasha chhidr is not good and has given him health problems. Mars as 6L in 7H with marak 2L and aspecing marak 7L Jupiter in 2H is quite indicative of health problems. Please share your views on results of Jup MD, especially JU-Ju. Regarding Saturn, he does not get along with his father and there is a clash of idealogies which is a life-long problem. If you see saturn has given 0 ashtakvarga points in cancer. therefore, last 2 and a half years of saturns stay in cancer were very troublesome for him. It was ashtak shani also for him. Do you think with shani's transit in Leo things could become better. I shall be grateful if you please give me some more indepth into these areas. Thank you very much NeelamHosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Dr.Neelam Gupta Ji,Namaste.In the horoscope you provided,Guru is Vakra in Karka Rashi.Karka Rashi is the Uccha Rashi for Guru,so as per Uttara Kalamrita,when a planet is in its Uccha Rashi but Vakra it gives the result as if it is debilitated.As this Guru (V) indicates deep rooted Karmic indication,till the age of 46 years his family life and profession will not be prospered or in other words, eventhough he works hard and shows his love and affection towards his wife,and children,he is not getting the same from them in the way he expects.Also eventhough he is a hard working native,he is not happy in his work as he is being neglected in his job.So mentally he is not happy.Just look at Patni Karaka Shukra is with Ketu,the Vairagya Karaka.This is another affliction to his family life.Now from 2002 onwards,there is some relief in his life but there is one more thing is that this Vakra Guru is with Mandi and this indicates that this gentleman is a rebirth to the same family to perform some remedies for the Brahman Shaap which his family might have got 2-3 generations before.A Brahmin boy in the family 2-3 generations before after the performing of Brahmopadesham,died of unnatural death ( might be drowned into water pond or river ? ) and no Kriya Karmas were performed at that time.So this gentleman is born again in the same family to perform the Kriya Karmas for the died person to give Mukti to that soul.Very soon Guru dasa is commencing and he will be forced to perform this remedy.Now regarding Shani (V),he is 8th and 9th lord placed in 6th.Here the long standing Karmic connection is with father which is not completed in this life and will be postponed to the next life ? You can see debilitated Rahu is coming nearer to Shani to swallow him and Shani going away with fear ( Vakra ).Here Rahu can be considered as some enemies trying to trouble his father and is trying to escape from trouble but this gentleman could not help him.Even in his career also,there are some problems from somebody and he has to pass such difficulties.The above interpretation is of mine and may be different from other scholars.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. From: cyberart_infos Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:30:33 -0700RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Ramadas Raoji, Thanks for giving us a time parameter for studying the retrogrades. A native has Gemini lagna with 7th and 10lord exalted and retrograde in 2nd house and 8th and ninth lord saturn retrogrades in 6th house. Jupiter becomes direct after 46 days of birth and saturn after 129 days. Does it mean that karmic debts regarding Jupiter will be over after 46 years whereas for saturn they might spill over to next life. The native has a debilitated lagna lord in 10th house with 3rd lord sun. Mars and moon in 7th house and venus is swagrahi in 12th house. Ra is with saturn in 6th house and ke with ven in 12th. I would really appreciate if you could throw some light on the affects of these positions. Also I seek comments from all other scholars on the combination. The native is highly qualified professional but is not satisfied with his progress in life. Though he is very well placed. His birth details are: DOB 3.4.56/TOB 11.30/POB Meerut I will be grateful for all your expert comments. Thanks Dr Neelam Gupta Jyotish AcharyaHosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Prafulla Ji,Regarding Vakra Shukra what you write will hold good.If Shukra is Vakra during birth time and it becomes direct after 25 days, that means the debts of past life connected with the lordship and Karakatta of Shukra will be almost complete and progress in such areas will improve after 25 years of age.Regarding Guru, what you wrote is not correct.Please try to apply these principles and see the results.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. From: jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) comDate: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:19:02 -0800RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Ramdas ji,So if planet is retro - for example venus is retro in someone's chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart. Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal chart analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its backward aspect (for its retrogression) from 25th year?Like wise - if a planet has become retrograde (for example guru) in 15th progressed year. So after 15th year, should we consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."************************************************> > ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:37:07 +0000> > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left over Karmas> from past life which the native during his/her death might have thought> of.> For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord Shani is Vakra and is> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its lord Budha is in 3rd> house in Meena Rashi with Guru and Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30 years, I am working in the same designation.My> friends got promotions and are in very good status.But my monetary> position is comparitively better than my friends.Almost most of my> earnings are being spent for the family and other close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating family.Shani is also Karma Karaka.> Also I have worked on this matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and see when it becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days> from the day of birth till the Graha becomes direct.Now consider one day> as one year,so the number of days becomes number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra Shani becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long awaiting Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 years of> age.This means there are some obstacles in my progress in the life till I> complete 81 years of age, if I live up to that age.But I also found out> that after about 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my> progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also observed> that after about 50% of the total years ie., around 1992, a steep> increase in my life's progress in all spheres of the life.> Now suppose if the person dies before the stipulated years shown by Vakra> Graha,then again that Karma will be postponed to the next life.> Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some success> in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue their efforts to get some> more deeper connections related to Vakra Grahas.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > From:> navagraha Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was> no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you> suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma.> > ...> On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > Hare krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past> lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with> other textual references> mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her .> rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational pursuits .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and> others> regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> >> "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not> dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter> has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data> point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I>> always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't> understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak,> in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here> are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being> one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally>> retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > *>> The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > >>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a>> malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to>> undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results>> would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>> will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good,>> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically>> retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>> planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and>> we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner>> planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is>> bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are>> in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is>> better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are>> attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how>> seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available>> nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special>> importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally>> indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said>> mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even>> though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate>> that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual>> support) > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>> , "kankan_73" > > kankan_73@>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's>> life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > >>> retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they>> signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and>> vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your>> views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> >________>> > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Pandit Ji, I request you one thing.Please check your chart if you have Vakra planet and try to apply this principle.No ancient classics gave a complete interpretation of Vakra Grahas.Just look at when a Graha becomes Vakra, you can see there are many unforeseen events happening in this world.Ofcourse,this comes under Mundane Astrology and experts in these areas can explain about those events.This means when a planet becomes Vakra,there will be a lot of Mundane events in this universe,so will it not affect a human being may be good or bad ?? With Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: navagrahaDate: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:00:45 -0400Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Namaste, Retro planets are not moving away from earth. They infact are closest to earth when they get retrograde, and the retro speed is fastest when closest to earth. Also Guru affects 8 houses as backward and forward aspects are same houses. If we take aspect from a house behind and take backward aspect as well as forward, then it may affect as many as 10 houses. Do people who propose this take backward as well as forward aspetcs as well as aspect from one house behind ? This will make retro planets affecting entire zodiac in a chart. I don't think we are capturing what is really said in classics. .... On 7/1/07, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao,This is interesting. It is for the first time that I am hearingsomeone confidently talk about the aspects of retrograde planetsbeing different. I will pay attention to what you have said and check it out.As a student of Science, I can understand that there will bedefinitive difference in electromagnetic force frequencyexperienced at a point caused by a planet relative in motionfrom the point of measurement. This effect is called "Doppler Effect" in Physics. To understand what is Doppler Effect, onecould look at the following web site:http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/doppler.htmlIt is clear that there will be difference in the influence of aplanet in direct motion as against a planet which is moving awayrelative to earth. But, the question is how to map "Doppler Effect" of retrograde planets in Astrology.What you have suggest could be the answer. More research needsto be done in this area to understand the effect systematically.Regards,Krishna --- HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> Dear Prafulla Ji,> Yes, 8 signs and you apply and see how it works.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > From:> jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) comDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:17:22 -0800> RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > Dear Ramdas jiSo when retrograde - planet look at previous> sign (12th house) or they look from previous sign (so guru > retrograde in taurus - so from aries - it will aspect 5/7/9)?> Now what happens to guru's aspect from taurus? - should it be> considered or not at all. If to be considered ..then will guru> influence 8 signs?regards / Prafulla > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net"The right to be heard does not> automatically include the right to be taken> seriously."************************************************> > > ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:10:27 +0000> > > RE:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear > Pandit Ji,> Namaste.> Brihat Nadi Astrology by Shri R.G.Rao> mentions about the Vakra Grahas> aspect from the previous> house also.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > To:> From:>> navagraha Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:17:18> -0400Re:> Re: Retrograde> Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Where is it mentioned that> vakri grahas aspect in reverse direction ? Is> there any > support for this?> > ...> On 6/29/07, Prafulla Gang> <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Ramdas ji,So if > planet is retro - for example venus is retro in> someone's> chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart.>> Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal> chart> analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its> backward aspect (for> its retrogression) from 25th year? Like> wise - if a planet has become> retrograde (for example guru)> in 15th progressed year. So after 15th> year, should we > consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as>> backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla>> Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net"The right to be heard does not> automatically> include the right to be taken seriously."> > ************************************************>> -----Original> Message-----> ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> Thu, 28 Jun 2007> 20:37:07 +0000> To:> >> RE:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear>>> Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate> strong left>> over Karmas > from past life which the native > during his/her death might>> have thought> of.> For example,> in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord>> Shani is Vakra and is>> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its>> lord Budha > is in 3rd > house in Meena Rashi with Guru and>>> Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30> years, I am>> working in the same designation.My> friends got> promotions and are in>> very good status.But my monetary >> position is comparitively better than>> my friends.Almost most> of my> earnings are being spent for the family>> and other> close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating>> > family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. > Also I have worked on> this>> matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and> see when it>> becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days> > from the day of birth>> till the Graha becomes direct.Now> consider one day> as one year,so the>> number of days becomes> number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra>> Shani > becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long> awaiting>> Karma from the previous life till I complete 81> years of > age.This>> means there are some obstacles in my> progress in the life till I>>> complete 81 years of age, if I> live up to that age.But I also found out>>> that after about> 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my >>> > progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also> observed>>> that after about 50% of the total years ie.,> around 1992, a steep>>> increase in my life's progress in all > spheres of the life. > Now suppose>> if the person dies before> the stipulated years shown by Vakra>>> Graha,then again that> Karma will be postponed to the next life.>>> Ofcourse,I have > taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some>> success >> in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars>>> in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue > their efforts>> to get some> more deeper connections related> to Vakra Grahas.> With>> Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > To:>>> From :>> navagraha Date:>> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 > -0400Re:>> Re: Retrograde> Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> >>> Isn't the entire horoscope a> mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was>> > no unfinished > karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you>>>> suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha> karma.> > ...>>> On 6/28/07, sunil nair <> astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > >>> > > Hare> krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are>>> concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some > unfinished>> krama or desires from past > lives ,depending on> karakatwas and>> placements and lordships.Along with> other> textual references> mercury>> in her case is in exchange with > jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of>> 5th and 11th lords,so> i dont think bad for her . > rest u know as a>> scholar urself> .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral skills>> > and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational> pursuits>> .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments> from sri .sreenath and>> > others> regrds sunil nair> om > shreem mahalaxmai namah.> --- In>>> , Krishnamurthy>> Seetharama>> <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > >> You said:> >> "Too many>> planets in retrograde may also> indicate that the man> is not >>> dependable (this statement > lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter>>> has three> planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I> don't>>> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am > just giving you a data>> > point.> > In any case, as three> planets are retrograde in her chart,>> I>> always see it as a> roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I >>> don't> > understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde.> Dr.>> Charak, > in his book, says that retrograde> planets> cause health>> problems.> > Here> are the birth details:> > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB:>> 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be> interested to know how would be her>> Mercury MD,> Mercury> being > one of the retrograde planets.> > I look>> forward to > your comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request>>> as a chart reading request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> ---> Sreenadh>> sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > > Generally >> retrograde is>> considered as good. It is said in> > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in>> retrograde will give> the > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a>> cute > thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * >>> The>> planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> >> on a > >>>>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If > the planet is a>>>> malefic, the person will suffer for> >> long, and > > will have to >>>> undertake hard effort even for> small benefits and > > the > > results>>>> would be usually > delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>>>> will> materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is> good, >>>> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > > Thinking astronomically>>>> retrograde is just our assumption> and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>>>> planet is always in> direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> >> the > angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is> more>> and>> we will feel that the planet is in > >> retrograde.> > * For>> inner>> planets when the planet orbits > sun (since the > > earth's > >>> orbit is >> bigger than their> orbit) we will have the feeling> > that>> they > > are>> in> retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the>> above > words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A>>> pictorial description is >> better to> > understand > > the> same] > > >>> > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional > reference we don't > >>> find > > many slokas that are>>> attributed to the discussion of> >>> retrograde > > motion.> They some how >> seems to be satisfied with the>> general > > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for>>> > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results> of>> individual> > planets are > > neither available >> nor > the earlier>> scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much> special>> importance to it.>> > > But still 3 planets in> retrograde generally>> indicate the> >>> presence of > > too > much opposing conditions in the said >> mans life,>> which he>> > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate>>> that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, > even>> though>> delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde> may also indicate >> that>> the man is not dependable> > (this> > > statement lacks textual>>>> support) > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>>>>> , "kankan_73" > >> kankan_73@>>>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I> would like to know>>>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > > their > > > effects in one's>> >> life.> > > Today, I have> seen a chart in which 3 planets are > >>>>> retrograde. Is > >> there > > > anything special in this. What they>>>> signify. > Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord> >>>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > >> theories like>>>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > debilitated > > > and>>>> vise versa. Is there some thing> more than this.> > > Kindly give your >>>> views. > > > > > >> Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > >>> >>> > >________ >>> >>> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear prafulla jI, The aspect is taken from the bhava itself ,as their is no retro motion ,you are walking ahead with your glance behind you. Rgds Kumar , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Kumar ji > > Many thanks for your note. > > This backward aspect from its place itself, or from its 12th sign? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. " > ************************************************ > > > > > > pacificsiam > > Mon, 2 Jul 2007 01:16:03 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > Dear Prafulla Ji, > > Well I dont know the which text but my guru used to > > tell me vakra planets are like you are walking forward > > but you are glancing behind thus the the drishti will > > be in reverse order 5/7/9. > > rgds > > kumar > > > > Siam Pacific Pte Ltd > > 70, Anuwongse Road > > Samphanthwongse > > Ratchawongse Road > > Bangkok,Thailand 10100 > > Tel :+ 662-6229652 > > + 662-2263417 > > + 662-2263418 > > Fax : + 662-6229650 > > + 662-2263419 > > Email: pacificsiam > > Skype :siampacific > > Voip :pacificsiam > > > > > > > > > > _________ _________________________ > > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > > surfing. > > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Shreenadhji, here are details of a chart date 15th april 1979 place jaipur city time 18: 05according to you native would have elder brother or sister?here jupiter is in 11th from lagna and placed in odd navamsa . while the 11th lord from moon and lagna is placed in even signs. Thanking you in advance swati On 7/3/07, Sreenadh < sreesog wrote: Dear Pandit ji, ==> > What would the ayanamsha be if we take topocentric position of the > moon ? > Would the moon parallax bring Lahiri in line with Chandra Hari ? <== I don't have the knowledge to answer both these questions. I value the Ayanamsa provided by Chandra Hari only because it is not his own, but the Ayanamsa reflected Ancient Sury Sidhanta. Actually it the Ancient Surya Sidhanta Ayanamsa, based on which the whole 108 Navamsa divisions, signs and stellar divisions as divisions of ecliptic systematically theorized to perfection. Actually I am favor of geocentric than topocentric view (both relative to earth), but my knowledge in such matters is so feeble that I can not comment much on the same. In such situation how can I even understand the question " What would the Ayanamsa be if we take topocentric position of the moon? " . May be chandrahari would be able to answer that question -or may be not. I don't know. ==> > Secondly with this chart, why guru has to be in swamsha to give > older sister. <== I think your indication is in the direction that - Capricorn being an even (Yugma) sign should give sister, and Sagittarius being odd (Oja) should give brother. But you should not that my prediction itself was based on a doubt in my own mind, which become clarified with that prediction itself. I will clarify. In the said chart - 1) The 11th house is owned by Me; A Sthri Napumsaka planet. [female] 2) Me aspects the 11th house as well; [female] 3) From Moon 11th house is owned by Ve; A female planet; [female] 4) Ve is placed in an even sign; [female] 5) 11th lord from Moon, Ve is exalted in Navamsa in an even sign [female] 6) The 11th lord from Lagna (Me) is placed in an odd sign [male] 7) Ju is only the significator of elder, and not the planet showing the sex of the elder itself. As you could see clearly " female " gets majority here - as per " dwi tri samvada bhaval " . After seeing all these indications I should have told that she will have an elder sister. But I have committed the usual mistake! i.e. Taking the significator to indicate the sex of the elder sister itself! Because- 1) Ju is placed in 11th from Lagna. [male] 2) Ju Navamsa falling in odd sign [male] This is a mistake I should have avoided. The doubt was there in my mind, (brother/sister) because I new that I am considering the significator as the person itself, but then with the doubt itself thought put forward the idea (possibly elder brother itself), so that It would get clarified and my doubt would be cleared. And the actual result, as you know, " elder sister " . That is why my statement- " my prediction itself was based on a doubt in my own mind, which become clarified with that prediction itself " . I hope the point is clear. Ju is in Sagittarius navamsa, just emphasizing the presence of an elder one; and the elder is a female as indicated by Me and Ve. If Ju was in Cp navamsa it should have indicated the absence or loss of an elder one with the navamsa falling in 8th house from the house from Gemini (the house in which Ju is posited). This would have been emphasized by the presence of Ma (6th lord from Gemini) there in Navamsa, and the presence of Ra (incomplete) in Capricorn. Love, Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste Sreenadh, > > Two questions. > > What would the ayanamsha be if we take topocentric position of the moon ? > Would the moon parallax bring Lahiri in line with Chandra Hari ? > > Secondly with this chart, why guru has to be in swamsha to give older > sister. > > Guru in 11 th can give older sibling and guru debilited may give sister than > brother. > > Thanks > > ... > > > On 7/2/07, sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna, > > Yes, it is. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > *Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998* wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > Thanks once again for your clarifications. > > > > This is my second daughter. She has an elder sister. So, Ju in > > Sg is the correct position in Navamsha? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > Please look at the chart using True Ayanamsa of > > > Chandrahari.(46 min > > > more than Lahari). If you are using JHora you can do it easily > > > by > > > setting the Ayanamsa value to be '46 min more than Lahari'. > > > > > > ==> > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > > > indicating > > > > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having > > > children. > > > > > Thus a good > > > > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > > > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > > > <== > > > Yes, I made a mistke in in looking at the position of Ju. > > > sorry. But > > > still Ju is in 12th from Moon; 6th lord in 5th; Me in 5th; all > > > > > > indicate the same result - and thus that derivation holds. > > > > > > Reagarding other comments - > > > * Even if Mercury is combest Nipuna Yoga holds. > > > * Marriage is timed to happen in Me=>Su. (as per True > > > Ayanamsa) > > > ==> > > > > 7th lord Saturn is combust and Venus occupies 12th > > > > from Navamsha lagna. > > > <== > > > * Yes, of course 7th lord Sa is combust. But Sa aspects 7th > > > and 7th > > > is aspected by Ju and Ma (9th lord) as well. " Yapya bhavanti > > > subhekshita " [Even the bad results become hidden and good when > > > > > > benifics aspect the sign]. Further Ve is in 7th from Moon > > > sign, and > > > is exalted in Navamsa. > > > * Considering 12th from Navamsa Legna is not supported by > > > classics. > > > All the aspects and houses should be read from the natal chart > > > itself. > > > > > > ==> > > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > > > > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > > > > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > > > > good. Isn't it? > > > <== > > > Ju navamsa is in Swamsa (in Sagittarius). Otherwise with 3 > > > Malefics > > > in 5th and with a Ju debilitated in Navama your daughter would > > > not > > > had such good intelligence and interest in education. Further > > > Me > > > aspecting 11th its own house, and Ju significator of elders in > > > 11th, > > > Ju in swamsa: Indicates that she has an elder brother/sister; > > > possibly brother itself. If this is confirmed you can be sure > > > that Ju > > > is in Sagittarius navamsa itself; if not Ju could be treated > > > as > > > having Capricorn Navamsa. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > <% 40>, > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreendh, > > > > > > > > Please drop the 'ji'. > > > > > > > > At the outset, I thank you very much for spending time to > > > look > > > > into my daughter's chart and for giving your valuable > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > I have some questions/comments on what you have said: > > > > > > > > > The 5th is the house of a benefic Ju and the house itself > > > is > > > > > aspected > > > > > by Ju, and the navamsa of Ju falls in 5th from natal > > > lagna, in > > > > > its own > > > > > house Sagittarius. Su-Me forms the Nipuna Yoga in 5th > > > house. > > > > > These > > > > > combinations indicate that the native would be > > > intelligent, > > > > > having good > > > > > memory, good education (4th lord in 4th; 9th lord in Ma in > > > > > swakshetra), > > > > > inquisitiveness, belief in astrology, belief in god. > > > > > > > > > > > > Though there is Nipuna Yoga, note that Mercury is combust. > > > Agree > > > > on the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th is the house of Saturn; the Dasa lord Me is with > > > Saturn; > > > > > 7th house > > > > > is aspected by 7th lord Saturn (Delay in marriage but the > > > > > marriage will > > > > > happen); Age difference with the husband (Sa being 7th > > > lord); > > > > > 7th > > > > > aspected by Ma; Aspect of Ma-Sa aspect combination in 7th; > > > Ke > > > > > Navamsa in > > > > > 7th; In short all indicating delay in marriage. > > > > > > > > > > The 7th lord in 5th; the 5th house aspected by 5th lord; > > > the > > > > > Lagna lord > > > > > placed along with Sa (7th lord) and aspected Ju (5th > > > lord). > > > > > The native > > > > > will have a love marriage. Possibly at Me-Su period, i.e. > > > > > around > > > > > 2016-17, at the age of 26-27. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two points to be noted here. 7th lord Saturn is > > > > combust and Venus occupies 12th from Navamsha lagna. In > > > > addition, Venus is retrograde. I guess these will pose > > > > additional challenges to the timing of the marriage. > > > Exaltation > > > > of Venus in Navamsha provides some respite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ju in 12th; 5th lord in 12th; 12th lord in 5th; All > > > > > indicating > > > > > expenses in worship, temples, rituals for having > > > children. > > > > > Thus a good > > > > > amount of care, effort and expense for having children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju is in the 11th and not in the 12th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju the 5th lord aspects 5th (2 children); Ju Navamsa in > > > > > swakshetra in > > > > > 5th (2 children); Ju has covered more than 2 Navama (From > > > > > Libra to > > > > > Sagittarius: Indicating 2 children); All the above > > > > > combinations indicate > > > > > that the native will have 2 children for sure. Since Ju > > > being > > > > > the child > > > > > giving planet here, the native will have 2 children by > > > > > 2022-2024, at the > > > > > age of 32-34. > > > > > > > > > > > > All this is fine. But, Ju is in Sandhi in Navamsha, very > > > > sensitive to ayanamsa. I get Ju in debilitated sign (in > > > > Navamsha) using Lahiri. Again Ju is retrograde. Doesn't look > > > > good. Isn't it? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > Your Daughter's chart: 11-Jan-1990; 20:35; Banglore. > > > > > > > > > > Query: How the Mercury MD would be? (considering Me is > > > > > retrograde) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Leo : Asc; Navamsa: Ra > > > > > > > > > > 2) Virgo : ----- > > > > > > > > > > 3) Libra : Gk; Navamsa: (Me), Sa > > > > > > > > > > 4) Scorpio : Ma; Navamsa: Su > > > > > > > > > > 5) Sagattarious: Sa, (Me), Sa ; Navamsa: (Ju) > > > > > > > > > > 6) Capricon : Ra, (Ve); Navamsa: Ma > > > > > > > > > > 7) Aquaris : --- ; Navamsa: Ke > > > > > > > > > > 8) Picses : --- ; Navamsa: (Ve) > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > ________ > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > > for today's economy) at Games. > > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > > Try the free Mail Beta. > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 dear Sreenadhji, ur analysis of the chart is very good with ref from slokas. But the discussion on retrograde planets ur concluding that benefics will not harm. suppose the theory of number of days it was retrograde is applied, in this chart on Jan 20th mercury's retrogression goes of and from 11th it is 10days or 10years of retrogression and the first 10years of Mercury maha dasa may not give the desired results. can we apply this interpretation for retrogrades irrespective of whether it is benefic or malefic? Kindly clarify. regards, k.gopu ______________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
