Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Kannan ji, Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like Saravali- * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa they will materialize. So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in retrograde is bad. Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in retrograde. * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they are in retrograde. [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand the same] In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too much special importance to it. But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support) Love, Sreenadh , " kankan_73 " <kankan_73 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > effects in one's life. > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is there > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is the > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like debilitated > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > Kindly give your views. > > Thanks & regards, > Kannan > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Namaste, Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of shadbala). Planets get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer planets that means away from the sun, so they are bright. So it makes astronomical sense as well. I have not seen any meaningful discussion on effects of them in a chart. When you say good planets, you mean naturally benefic ( guru, shukra) and bad planets meaning naturally malefic ( shani, mangal) ? Also what about theories floating around of exalted retro is like dbilited and debilited retro is like exalted? Any textual support of this ? Personally it makes not much sense. .... On 6/28/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kannan ji,Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like Saravali-* The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.* If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa they will materialize.So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in retrograde is bad.Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in retrograde.* For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they are in retrograde.[Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand the same] In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too much special importance to it. But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)Love,Sreenadh , " kankan_73 " <kankan_73 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > effects in one's life.> Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is there > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is the > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like debilitated > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> Kindly give your views.> > Thanks & regards,> Kannan > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Pandit ji, ==> > Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of shadbala). > Planets get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer > planets that means away > from the sun, so they are bright. So it > makes astronomical sense as well. <== Thanks for a good point. When i said good planets I was just referring to the natural benefics that is - Jupiter, Venus and Non combusted Mercury. When I said bad planets I was just referring to the natural malifics Saturn, Mars and combusted Mercury. Of couse Sun, Moon, and Lagna can never be in retrograde. Rahu and Ketu are always retrograde and any discussion on retrograde does not include them. ==> > what about theories floating around of exalted retro is like > dbilited and debilited retro is like exalted? Any textual support > of this ? <== I am yet to see any such textual reference. The usual method (As I have seen followed by elder, traditional and well read astrologers especially of Kerala) is to consider them separately - * Apply the general retro grade result predicted by text to the planet if it is in retrograde. * If the planet is in debilitation or exaltation tell the result specific to that. Mixing and matching of both is not usually appreciated (just based on the statement - retrograde plant gives results 'similar' to exaltation). Retrograde is retrograde and exaltation is exaltation. Even though they might be 'similar' in some respects they shouldn't be considered as interchangeable. Yes, personally I too feel that considering " debilitated retrograde as exalted " etc does not makes sense. Love, Srenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste, > > Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of shadbala). Planets > get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer planets that means away > from the sun, so they are bright. So it makes astronomical sense as well. I > have not seen any meaningful discussion on effects of them in a chart. > > When you say good planets, you mean naturally benefic ( guru, shukra) and > bad planets meaning naturally malefic ( shani, mangal) ? Also what about > theories floating around of exalted retro is like dbilited and debilited > retro is like exalted? Any textual support of this ? Personally it makes not > much sense. > > ... > > > On 6/28/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Kannan ji, > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like > > Saravali- > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa > > they will materialize. > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad. > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde. > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they > > are in retrograde. > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too > > much special importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this > > statement lacks textual support) > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > " kankan_73 " > > <kankan_73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > > > effects in one's life. > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, You said: " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so far. I am just giving you a data point. In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I don't understand the correct effect of a planet being retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde planets cause health problems. Here are the birth details: DOB: 11-Jan-1990 TOB: 20:35 POB: Bangalore I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD, Mercury being one of the retrograde planets. I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider my request as a chart reading request. Regards, Krishna --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Kannan ji, > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > result of > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts > like > Saravali- > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all > on a > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for > long, and > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > the > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of > Dasa > they will materialize. > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > retrograde is bad. > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and > it > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth > (compared to > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > retrograde. > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > earth's > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling > that they > are in retrograde. > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > reflect > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to > understand > the same] > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > find > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of > retrograde > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > bad. > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual > planets are > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute > too > much special importance to it. > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the > presence of > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he > would > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > he will > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many > planets in > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable > (this > statement lacks textual support) > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " kankan_73 " > <kankan_73 wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and > their > > effects in one's life. > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > retrograde. Is > there > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly > what is > the > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard > some > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > debilitated > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > Kindly give your views. > > > > Thanks & regards, > > Kannan > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Kannan Ji, Also the Vakra Grahas indicate the area of past life Karmas left out and the person tries to wipe out such debts in this life depending on the lordships and Karakattwas of the houses these planets belong to. With Best Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: sreesogDate: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:07:00 +0000 Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Kannan ji,Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like Saravali-* The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.* If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa they will materialize.So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in retrograde is bad.Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in retrograde.* For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they are in retrograde.[Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand the same] In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too much special importance to it.But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)Love,Sreenadh , "kankan_73" <kankan_73 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > effects in one's life.> Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is there > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is the > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like debilitated > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> Kindly give your views.> > Thanks & regards,> Kannan> Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club. Join Live Search Club! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Hare krishna, dear krishnaji, As far as retro planets are concerned i also support the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with other textual references mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various educational pursuits . Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and others regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> > You said:> > "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17> years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I> don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider> my request as a chart reading request.> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the> > result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and> > the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the> > earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to> > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't> > find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for> > bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special importance to it.> > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end> > he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual support)> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "kankan_73" > > kankan_73@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are> > retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard> > some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your views.> > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Namaste, Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma. .... On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare krishna, dear krishnaji, As far as retro planets are concerned i also support the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with other textual references mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various educational pursuits . Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and others regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> > " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request.> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual support) > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , " kankan_73 " > > kankan_73@ wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Pandit Ji, Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left over Karmas from past life which the native during his/her death might have thought of. For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord Shani is Vakra and is placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its lord Budha is in 3rd house in Meena Rashi with Guru and Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified person,from last 30 years, I am working in the same designation.My friends got promotions and are in very good status.But my monetary position is comparitively better than my friends.Almost most of my earnings are being spent for the family and other close relatives.See that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. Also I have worked on this matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra Graha and see when it becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days from the day of birth till the Graha becomes direct.Now consider one day as one year,so the number of days becomes number of years.For example in my chart, Vakra Shani becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some long awaiting Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 years of age.This means there are some obstacles in my progress in the life till I complete 81 years of age, if I live up to that age.But I also found out that after about 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also observed that after about 50% of the total years ie., around 1992, a steep increase in my life's progress in all spheres of the life. Now suppose if the person dies before the stipulated years shown by Vakra Graha,then again that Karma will be postponed to the next life. Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some success in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars in this list to check the reality in my work and continue their efforts to get some more deeper connections related to Vakra Grahas. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: navagrahaDate: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Namaste, Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma. .... On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hare krishna, dear krishnaji, As far as retro planets are concerned i also support the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with other textual references mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various educational pursuits . Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and others regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> > "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request.> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual support) > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "kankan_73" > > kankan_73@ wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.> http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow> Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club. Join Live Search Club! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, Namaskara - You wrote: Mixing and matching of both is not usually appreciated (just based on the statement - retrograde plant gives results 'similar' to exaltation). Retrograde is retrograde and exaltation is exaltation. Even though they might be 'similar' in some respects they shouldn't be considered as interchangeable. Yes, personally I too feel that considering " debilitated retrograde as exalted " etc does not makes sense. Love, Srenadh Although these statements garner good logic, experience bears out the opposite to what you've written. Take, for instance, the case of the great Basketball super-star Michael Jordan, who is unequivocally the greatest player in that sport to ever have lived. Note the data for the horoscope for Michael Jordan as follows: Michael Jordan Natal Chart February 17, 1963 Time: 10:20:00 Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 77 W 56' 42 " , 34 N 13' 32 " Wilmington, North Carolina, USA Lagna = 18 Aries 55 Aries rises in this chart, with lagna lord Mars debilitated, retrograde, and also afflicted by Rahu. How could a great sports hero have debilitated and retrograde Mars, if what you've written above is correct? In fact, not only is Mars acting as if exalted in this horoscope, but also confers the full effects of Raja-yoga. I will find other examples to reinforce this point as well. Best regards, Robert --- In , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste, > > Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of shadbala). Planets > get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer planets that means away > from the sun, so they are bright. So it makes astronomical sense as well. I > have not seen any meaningful discussion on effects of them in a chart. > > When you say good planets, you mean naturally benefic ( guru, shukra) and > bad planets meaning naturally malefic ( shani, mangal) ? Also what about > theories floating around of exalted retro is like dbilited and debilited > retro is like exalted? Any textual support of this ? Personally it makes not > much sense. > > ... > > > On 6/28/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear Kannan ji, > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like > > Saravali- > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa > > they will materialize. > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad. > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde. > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they > > are in retrograde. > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too > > much special importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this > > statement lacks textual support) > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > <% 40>, > > " kankan_73 " > > <kankan_73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > > > effects in one's life. > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Sreenadhji/Ramadasji and other learned members, Thanks for replying to my query. I am happy that my query initiated a good discussion on the subject. This type of discussions are very helpful for everyone. I request all learned members to continue this discussion. I have one request. Please put some light on " Lagna Lord Retrograde " , irrespective of malefic or benefic (Lagna lord is always a benefic, I think). Thanks & regards, Kannan , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Kannan ji, > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like > Saravali- > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa > they will materialize. > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > retrograde is bad. > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > retrograde. > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they > are in retrograde. > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand > the same] > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too > much special importance to it. > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this > statement lacks textual support) > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " kankan_73 " > <kankan_73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > > effects in one's life. > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is > there > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is > the > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > debilitated > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > Kindly give your views. > > > > Thanks & regards, > > Kannan > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 dear friend kankan Uttar kalamrit written by Kalidasa also shed some light on retrograde planet. it said when the planet is retrograde its effect is reverse i.e. good in debliation & bad in uccha. one of my client has a meena lagna with debliated jupitar in 11th house. he is a spritual head of some sect (sorry i can't give more detail of his sect) after start of ju md he faced a lots of problems like enemy, loss in business, court case & so on. i suggest him to wear a yellow saphire & worship of devi baglamukhi. after that he get some relife. one of my client has 3 retro planets but he is quite rich & happy (so far). thanks kankan_73 <kankan_73 wrote: Dear Sreenadhji/Ramadasji and other learned members,Thanks for replying to my query. I am happy that my query initiated a good discussion on the subject. This type of discussions are very helpful for everyone. I request all learned members to continue this discussion. I have one request. Please put some light on "Lagna Lord Retrograde", irrespective of malefic or benefic (Lagna lord is always a benefic, I think).Thanks & regards,Kannan , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Kannan ji,> Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like > Saravali-> * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa > they will materialize.> > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > retrograde is bad.> > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > retrograde.> * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they > are in retrograde.> [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand > the same] > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too > much special importance to it.> But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this > statement lacks textual support)> Love,> Sreenadh> > , "kankan_73" > <kankan_73@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > > effects in one's life.> > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is > there > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is > the > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > debilitated > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > Kindly give your views.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > Kannan> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Robest / Sreenadh  Many sports star have debilitated mars (not necessarily retro) -  Saurav Ganguly (karka lagna - mars deb in lagna) Mohd Azharudin (kanya lagna - deb mars in 11th) Well - I do not have chart data - so other mamebers may share. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. " ************************************************ rk Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:15:13 -0700 Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Sreenadh, Namaskara - You wrote:  Mixing and matching of both is not usually appreciated (just based on the statement - retrograde plant gives results 'similar' to exaltation). Retrograde is retrograde and exaltation is exaltation. Even though they might be 'similar' in some respects they shouldn't be considered as interchangeable.  Yes, personally I too feel that considering " debilitated retrograde as exalted " etc does not makes sense. Love, Srenadh Although these statements garner good logic, experience bears out the opposite to what you've written. Take, for instance, the case of the great Basketball super-star Michael Jordan, who is unequivocally the greatest player in that sport to ever have lived. Note the data for the horoscope for Michael Jordan as follows: Michael Jordan Natal Chart Date:         February 17, 1963 Time:         10:20:00 Time Zone:    5:00:00 (West of GMT) Place:        77 W 56' 42 " , 34 N 13' 32 " Wilmington, North Carolina, USA Lagna = 18 Aries 55 Aries rises in this chart, with lagna lord Mars debilitated, retrograde, and also afflicted by Rahu. How could a great sports hero have debilitated and retrograde Mars, if what you've written above is correct? In fact, not only is Mars acting as if exalted in this horoscope, but also confers the full effects of Raja-yoga. I will find other examples to reinforce this point as well. Best regards, Robert , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste, > > Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of shadbala). Planets > get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer planets that means away > from the sun, so they are bright. So it makes astronomical sense as well. I > have not seen any meaningful discussion on effects of them in a chart. > > When you say good planets, you mean naturally benefic ( guru, shukra) and > bad planets meaning naturally malefic ( shani, mangal) ? Also what about > theories floating around of exalted retro is like dbilited and debilited > retro is like exalted? Any textual support of this ? Personally it makes not > much sense. > > ... > > > On 6/28/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > >  Dear Kannan ji, > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like > > Saravali- > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa > > they will materialize. > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad. > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde. > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they > > are in retrograde. > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too > > much special importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this > > statement lacks textual support) > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > " kankan_73 " > > <kankan_73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > > > effects in one's life. > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Ramdas Rao ji, Can you provide the authentic quote about the same? Love, Sreenadh , HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: > > Dear Kannan Ji, > Also the Vakra Grahas indicate the area of past life Karmas left out and the person tries to wipe out such debts in this life depending on the lordships and Karakattwas of the houses these planets belong to. > With Best Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > > : sreesog: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:07:00 +0000 Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > > Dear Kannan ji,Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like Saravali-* The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.* If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa they will materialize.So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in retrograde is bad.Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in retrograde.* For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they are in retrograde.[Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand the same] In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too much special importance to it.But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)Love,Sreenadh--- In , " kankan_73 " <kankan_73@> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > effects in one's life.> Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is there > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is the > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like debilitated > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> Kindly give your views.> > Thanks & regards,> Kannan> > > > _______________ > Make every IM count. Download and join the i'm Initiative now. It's free. > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Mr Koch, The Moon, the dispositor of Mars is also debilitated; but both the planets gain great strength because they exchange houses (parivartana yoga). Good luck and all the best. Hasmukhrai J Mehta.Robert Koch <rk wrote: Dear Sreenadh, Namaskara - You wrote: Mixing and matching of both is not usually appreciated (just based on the statement - retrograde plant gives results 'similar' to exaltation). Retrograde is retrograde and exaltation is exaltation. Even though they might be 'similar' in some respects they shouldn't be considered as interchangeable. Yes, personally I too feel that considering "debilitated retrograde as exalted" etc does not makes sense.Love,SrenadhAlthough these statements garner good logic, experience bears out the opposite to what you've written. Take, for instance, the case of the great Basketball super-star Michael Jordan, who is unequivocally the greatest player in that sport to ever have lived. Note the data for the horoscope for Michael Jordan as follows: Michael JordanNatal Chart February 17, 1963Time: 10:20:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 77 W 56' 42", 34 N 13' 32"Wilmington, North Carolina, USALagna = 18 Aries 55Aries rises in this chart, with lagna lord Mars debilitated, retrograde, and also afflicted by Rahu. How could a great sports hero have debilitated and retrograde Mars, if what you've written above is correct? In fact, not only is Mars acting as if exalted in this horoscope, but also confers the full effects of Raja-yoga. I will find other examples to reinforce this point as well. Best regards,Robert , Panditji <navagraha wrote:>> Namaste,> > Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of shadbala). Planets> get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer planets that means away> from the sun, so they are bright. So it makes astronomical sense as well. I> have not seen any meaningful discussion on effects of them in a chart.> > When you say good planets, you mean naturally benefic ( guru, shukra) and> bad planets meaning naturally malefic ( shani, mangal) ? Also what about> theories floating around of exalted retro is like dbilited and debilited> retro is like exalted? Any textual support of this ? Personally it makes not> much sense.> > ...> > > On 6/28/07, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in> > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of> > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like> > Saravali-> > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a> > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and> > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the> > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa> > they will materialize.> >> > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in> > retrograde is bad.> >> > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it> > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but -> > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to> > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in> > retrograde.> > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's> > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they> > are in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect> > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand> > the same]> >> > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find> > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde> > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general> > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad.> > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are> > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too> > much special importance to it.> > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of> > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would> > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will> > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in> > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this> > statement lacks textual support)> > Love,> > Sreenadh> >> > <%40>,> > "kankan_73"> > <kankan_73@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their> > > effects in one's life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is> > there> > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is> > the> > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some> > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like> > debilitated> > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your views.> > >> > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> >> > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Ramdas ji, So if planet is retro - for example venus is retro in someone's chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart. Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal chart analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its backward aspect (for its retrogression) from 25th year? Like wise - if a planet has become retrograde (for example guru) in 15th progressed year. So after 15th year, should we consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as backward to 12th house). regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. " ************************************************ > > ramadasrao > Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:37:07 +0000 > > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets > > Dear Pandit Ji, > Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left over Karmas > from past life which the native during his/her death might have thought > of. > For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord Shani is Vakra and is > placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its lord Budha is in 3rd > house in Meena Rashi with Guru and Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified > person,from last 30 years, I am working in the same designation.My > friends got promotions and are in very good status.But my monetary > position is comparitively better than my friends.Almost most of my > earnings are being spent for the family and other close relatives.See > that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating family.Shani is also Karma Karaka. > Also I have worked on this matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra > Graha and see when it becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days > from the day of birth till the Graha becomes direct.Now consider one day > as one year,so the number of days becomes number of years.For example in > my chart, Vakra Shani becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some > long awaiting Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 years of > age.This means there are some obstacles in my progress in the life till I > complete 81 years of age, if I live up to that age.But I also found out > that after about 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my > progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also observed > that after about 50% of the total years ie., around 1992, a steep > increase in my life's progress in all spheres of the life. > Now suppose if the person dies before the stipulated years shown by Vakra > Graha,then again that Karma will be postponed to the next life. > Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some success > in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars in this list > to check the reality in my work and continue their efforts to get some > more deeper connections related to Vakra Grahas. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > > > : > navagraha: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re: > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > > > Namaste, > > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was > no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you > suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma. > > ... > On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare krishna, > dear krishnaji, > As far as retro planets are concerned i also support > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past > lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with > other textual references > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various > educational pursuits . > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and > others > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> > > " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not > dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > Well, my daughter > has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't > see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data > point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't > understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak, > in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here > are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being > one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping > that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request.> > > Regards,> Krishna> >> --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally >> retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that >> the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But >> there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > * >> The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > > >> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a >> malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to >> undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results >> would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they >> will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, >> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically >> retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the >> planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since >> the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and >> we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner >> planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is >> bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are >> in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may >> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is >> better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart >> from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are >> attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how >> seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good >> for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the >> retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available >> nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special >> importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally >> indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said >> mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also >> indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even >> though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate >> that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual >> support) > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > --- In >> , " kankan_73 " > > kankan_73@ >> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know >> something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's >> life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > >> retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they >> signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord >> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like >> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and >> vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your >> views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > ______________________________\ ____ >> > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Sreenadh Ji, Regarding this Vakara Grahas, one of my Jyotish Gurus was explaining in the way I wrote and I found it is working fantastically.Now unfortunately that evolved soul is no more to clarify more about this theory of past Karmas. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: sreesogDate: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:11:53 +0000 Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Ramdas Rao ji,Can you provide the authentic quote about the same? Love,Sreenadh , HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:>> Dear Kannan Ji,> Also the Vakra Grahas indicate the area of past life Karmas left out and the person tries to wipe out such debts in this life depending on the lordships and Karakattwas of the houses these planets belong to.> With Best Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > : sreesog: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:07:00 +0000 Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > Dear Kannan ji,Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like Saravali-* The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.* If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa they will materialize.So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in retrograde is bad.Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in retrograde.* For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they are in retrograde.[Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand the same] In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too much special importance to it.But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)Love,Sreenadh , "kankan_73" <kankan_73@> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > effects in one's life.> Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is there > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is the > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like debilitated > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> Kindly give your views.> > Thanks & regards,> Kannan> > > > ________> Make every IM count. Download and join the i'm Initiative now. It's free. > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07> Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out the New MSN Mobile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Prafulla Ji, Regarding Vakra Shukra what you write will hold good.If Shukra is Vakra during birth time and it becomes direct after 25 days, that means the debts of past life connected with the lordship and Karakatta of Shukra will be almost complete and progress in such areas will improve after 25 years of age.Regarding Guru, what you wrote is not correct. Please try to apply these principles and see the results. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. From: jyotishDate: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:19:02 -0800RE: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Ramdas ji,So if planet is retro - for example venus is retro in someone's chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart. Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal chart analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its backward aspect (for its retrogression) from 25th year?Like wise - if a planet has become retrograde (for example guru) in 15th progressed year. So after 15th year, should we consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."************************************************> > ramadasrao (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:37:07 +0000> > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left over Karmas> from past life which the native during his/her death might have thought> of.> For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord Shani is Vakra and is> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its lord Budha is in 3rd> house in Meena Rashi with Guru and Surya.Eventhough I am quite qualified> person,from last 30 years, I am working in the same designation.My> friends got promotions and are in very good status.But my monetary> position is comparitively better than my friends.Almost most of my> earnings are being spent for the family and other close relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating family.Shani is also Karma Karaka.> Also I have worked on this matter.Just check the longitude of the Vakra> Graha and see when it becomes direct.Now calculate the number of days> from the day of birth till the Graha becomes direct.Now consider one day> as one year,so the number of days becomes number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra Shani becomes direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long awaiting Karma from the previous life till I complete 81 years of> age.This means there are some obstacles in my progress in the life till I> complete 81 years of age, if I live up to that age.But I also found out> that after about 25% of this total years,some slight increase in my> progress in life as some of the debts have been repaid.I also observed> that after about 50% of the total years ie., around 1992, a steep> increase in my life's progress in all spheres of the life.> Now suppose if the person dies before the stipulated years shown by Vakra> Graha,then again that Karma will be postponed to the next life.> Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this work and I found some success> in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also request other scholars in this list> to check the reality in my work and continue their efforts to get some> more deeper connections related to Vakra Grahas.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > From:> navagraha Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re:> Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was> no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you> suggesting that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma.> > ...> On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > Hare krishna,> dear krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are concerned i also support> the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past> lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with> other textual references> mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an> exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her .> rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her> good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> educational pursuits .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and> others> regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> >> "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not> dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > Well, my daughter> has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't> see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data> point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I>> always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't> understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak,> in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > Here> are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: Bangalore> >> I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> Mercury being> one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally>> retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a cute thing to note. As per texts> > like > > Saravali-> > *>> The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all> > on a > >>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > * If the planet is a>> malefic, the person will suffer for> > long, and > > will have to>> undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results>> would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>> will materialize.> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good,>> and malefics in > > retrograde is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically>> retrograde is just our assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>> planet is always in direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> the angle covered by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and>> we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner>> planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is>> bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > that they > > are>> in retrograde.> > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is>> better to> > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are>> attributed to the discussion of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how>> seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results of individual> > planets are > > neither available>> nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special>> importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally>> indicate the> > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said>> mans life, which he> > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even>> though delayed. Too many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate>> that the man is not dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual>> support) > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>> , "kankan_73" > > kankan_73@>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > I would like to know>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > effects in one's>> life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > >>> retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they>> signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and>> vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > Kindly give your>> views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> >________>> > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's>> updated for today's economy) at Games.>>> http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow>> > > > > > > > > ________> Make every IM count. Download and join the i’m> Initiative now. It’s free.> http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07 Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out the New MSN Mobile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Ramdas ji Many thanks for clarifications. > Regarding Vakra Shukra what you write will hold good.If Shukra is Vakra > during birth time and it becomes direct after 25 days, that means the > debts of past life connected with the lordship and Karakatta of Shukra > will be almost complete and progress in such areas will improve after 25 > years of age. [Prafulla] OK. So after 25 years, we need not take backward aspect, while analysing natal chart? OR natal chart must be analysed with venus ® - I mean for strength/aspect etc except for karmic debt. >Regarding Guru, what you wrote is not correct. > Please try to apply these principles and see the results. [Prafulla] OK. No - I was enquiring from you. So should I understand that - if guru has become retro in progression at specific age, then its aspects must still be considered normal one - not the backward (due to its retrogression in progression). I look forward to apply these in the charts. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. " ************************************************ > > > : jyotish: > Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:19:02 -0800RE: > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > > Dear Ramdas ji,So if planet is retro - for example venus is retro in > someone's chart and it becomes direct at 25th year of progressed chart. > Should we then - consider it direct for the purpose of natal chart > analysis. and if so - should we stop considering its backward aspect (for > its retrogression) from 25th year?Like wise - if a planet has become > retrograde (for example guru) in 15th progressed year. So after 15th > year, should we consider retro for natal chart purpose and aspects (as > backward to 12th house).regards / Prafulla > Ganghttp://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically > include the right to be taken > seriously. " ************************************************> > > ramadasrao Thu, 28 > Jun 2007 20:37:07 +0000> > > RE: Re: Retrograde Planets> > Dear > Pandit Ji,> Yes, You are correct.The Vakra Grahas indicate strong left > over Karmas> from past life which the native during his/her death might > have thought> of.> For example, in my chart, Makara Lagna whose lord > Shani is Vakra and is> placed in 9th house ie., in Kanya Rashi while its > lord Budha is in 3rd> house in Meena Rashi with Guru and Surya.Eventhough > I am quite qualified> person,from last 30 years, I am working in the same > designation.My> friends got promotions and are in very good status.But my > monetary> position is comparitively better than my friends.Almost most of > my> earnings are being spent for the family and other close > relatives.See> that Shani is also 2nd lord indicating family.Shani is > also Karma Karaka.> Also I have worked on this matter.Just check the > longitude of the Vakra> Graha and see when it becomes direct.Now > calculate the number of days> from the day of birth till the Graha > becomes direct.Now consider one day> as one year,so the number of days > becomes number of years.For example in> my chart, Vakra Shani becomes > direct after 81 days,so there will be some> long awaiting Karma from the > previous life till I complete 81 years of> age.This means there are some > obstacles in my progress in the life till I> complete 81 years of age, if > I live up to that age.But I also found out> that after about 25% of this > total years,some slight increase in my> progress in life as some of the > debts have been repaid.I also observed> that after about 50% of the total > years ie., around 1992, a steep> increase in my life's progress in all > spheres of the life.> Now suppose if the person dies before the > stipulated years shown by Vakra> Graha,then again that Karma will be > postponed to the next life.> Ofcourse,I have taken a lot of pain in this > work and I found some success> in this matter of Vakra Grahas.I also > request other scholars in this list> to check the reality in my work and > continue their efforts to get some> more deeper connections related to > Vakra Grahas.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > > To: > :> navagraha: > Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:02:09 -0400Re:> > Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > > Namaste,> > Isn't the entire horoscope > a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was> no unfinished karma, the > native would have achieved moksha. Are you> suggesting that retro grahas > show a very strong/adridha karma.> > ...> On 6/28/07, sunil nair > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > > Hare krishna,> dear > krishnaji,> As far as retro planets are concerned i also support> the > view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past> lives > ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with> other > textual references> mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and > it becomes an> exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her > .> rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv > her> good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various> > educational pursuits .> Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments > from sri .sreenath and> others> regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai > namah.> , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh, > > You said:> >> > " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man> is not> > dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > Well, my daughter> > has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't> > see any problems with dependability so> far. I am just giving you a data> > point.> > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I>> > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't> > understand the correct effect of a planet being> retrograde. Dr. Charak,> > in his book, says that retrograde> planets cause health problems.> > > Here> are the birth details:> > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> TOB: 20:35> POB: > Bangalore> >> I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> > Mercury being> one of the retrograde planets.> > I look forward to your > comments, hoping> that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading > request.> >> Regards,> Krishna>>> --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > > Dear Kannan ji,> > Generally>> retrograde is considered as good. It is > said in > > Phaladeepika that>> the planet in retrograde will give the > > > result of > > exaltation. But>> there is a cute thing to note. As per > texts> > like > > Saravali-> > *>> The planet in retrograde will give > beneficial results all> > on a > >>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial > planet.> > * If the planet is a>> malefic, the person will suffer for> > > long, and > > will have to>> undertake hard effort even for small > benefits and > > the > > results>> would be usually delayed. But of > course at the end of> > Dasa > > they>> will materialize.> > > > So in > short, benefics in retrograde is good,>> and malefics in > > retrograde > is bad.> > > > Thinking astronomically>> retrograde is just our > assumption and> > it > > never happens. i.e the>> planet is always in > direct motion but -> > > > * for outer planets since>> the angle covered > by earth> > (compared to > > that planet) is more and>> we will feel that > the planet is in > > retrograde.> > * For inner>> planets when the planet > orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is>> bigger than their orbit) > we will have the feeling> > that they > > are>> in retrograde.> > [Me not > being a proper scholar, the above words may>> fail to > > reflect > > the > actual meaning. A pictorial description is>> better to> > understand > > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart>> from occasional reference > we don't > > find > > many slokas that are>> attributed to the discussion > of> > retrograde > > motion. They some how>> seems to be satisfied with > the general > > statement, retrograde is good>> for good planets and bad > for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the>> retrograde results of > individual> > planets are > > neither available>> nor the earlier > scholars seems to attribute> > too > > much special>> importance to it. > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally>> indicate the> > presence > of > > too much opposing conditions in the said>> mans life, which he> > > would > > have to over come. But the same also>> indicate that at the end > > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even>> though delayed. Too > many> > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate>> that the man is not > dependable> > (this > > statement lacks textual>> support) > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > --- In>> , > " kankan_73 " > > kankan_73@>> wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > I would like to know>> something about Retrograde Planets and> > their > > > > effects in one's>> life.> > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 > planets are > >>> retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in > this. What they>> signify. Particularly> > what is > > the > > > result > when Lagna Lord>> itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > > theories like>> Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > debilitated > > > and>> vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > > Kindly give your>> views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > Kannan> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > >________>> > Boardwalk > for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Hare krishana, dear sreenath, This view of ramadasji ,i read from late sri. santhanams articles and i think it holds true,very strong desires and unfulfilled areas from past lives that carrry forwarded to this birth. I dont hav any textual references other than this . regrds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> Regarding this Vakara Grahas, one of my Jyotish Gurus was explaining in the way I wrote and I found it is working fantastically.Now unfortunately that evolved soul is no more to clarify more about this theory of past Karmas.> With Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > : sreesog: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:11:53 +0000 Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > Dear Ramdas Rao ji,Can you provide the authentic quote about the same? Love,Sreenadh , HosabettuRamadas Rao ramadasrao@ wrote:>> Dear Kannan Ji,> Also the Vakra Grahas indicate the area of past life Karmas left out and the person tries to wipe out such debts in this life depending on the lordships and Karakattwas of the houses these planets belong to.> With Best Regards,> Ramadas Rao.> > > @: sreesog@: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:07:00 +0000 Re: Retrograde Planets> > > > > Dear Kannan ji,Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like Saravali-* The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.* If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa they will materialize.So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in retrograde is bad.Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in retrograde.* For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that they are in retrograde.[Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to reflect the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to understand the same] In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets are neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too much special importance to it.But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence of too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he will be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)Love,Sreenadh , "kankan_73" <kankan_73@> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and their > effects in one's life.> Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is there > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what is the > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like debilitated > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> Kindly give your views.> > Thanks & regards,> Kannan> > > > ________> Make every IM count. Download and join the i'm Initiative now. It's free. > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07> > > > _______________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Pandit ji, Yes, I too feel like repeating your question. 1)Looking from Karma sidhanta point of view: we are here in this planet in this condition only because of " some unfinished krama or desires from past lives " . As you rightly suggests (and I support) " If there was no unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha " . Thus it becomes necessary to clarify what kind of Karma such as Dridha-Dridhadridha-Adridha; but I don't think that would be enough, because the Dridhadi division has nothing to do with such a thought line. May be Ramdas ji, and Sunil ji can shed more light on the same. [by the way, I will put my comments on the Mercury MD of the mentioned chart in another mail] 2) There is another real question to be answered - Is Karma sidhanta an orginal component of astrology? We don't have much reference to Karma sidhanta in astrology texts prior to some tests like Leghu Jataka that is ascribed to Mihira (but whose authership is not certain). In Brihat Samhita Mihira wonders; some say that " Time " is the root cause, some say that it is " Karma " ; some " Swabhava (Nature of the item) " , some " Prakriti (Nature/Earth and environment) " , some " God " etc. The wonder `Who is right?' or `Which of these is adopted by (or adobpted for) astrology?' is clearly visible. Normally at the initial stages astrology was satisfied with the philosophy of " Kala Purusha - Prakriti (Siva-Sakti) " combination itself I think. The Karma Sidhanta seems to be an extra interpolation into this age- old philosophy of astrology, possibly after the period of Mihira. I will appreciate your inputs on the same. P.S.: Dear Punditji, why don't you upload some of your good old articles in the files section of the forum. We would all be pleased to have such a recourse available to us. Love, Sreenadh , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste, > > Isn't the entire horoscope a mirror onto unfinished karma? If there was no > unfinished karma, the native would have achieved moksha. Are you suggesting > that retro grahas show a very strong/adridha karma. > > ... > > > On 6/28/07, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > dear krishnaji, > > > > As far as retro planets are concerned i also support > > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires from past lives > > ,depending on karakatwas and placements and lordships.Along with other > > textual references > > > > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it becomes an > > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . > > > > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise might giv her > > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be various > > educational pursuits . > > > > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri .sreenath and > > others > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man > > > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > > > > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > > > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so > > > far. I am just giving you a data point. > > > > > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I > > > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > > > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being > > > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde > > > planets cause health problems. > > > > > > Here are the birth details: > > > > > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990 > > > TOB: 20:35 > > > POB: Bangalore > > > > > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD, > > > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets. > > > > > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider > > > my request as a chart reading request. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Kannan ji, > > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > > > > result of > > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts > > > > like > > > > Saravali- > > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all > > > > on a > > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for > > > > long, and > > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > > > the > > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of > > > > Dasa > > > > they will materialize. > > > > > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > > > retrograde is bad. > > > > > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and > > > > it > > > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > > > > > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth > > > > (compared to > > > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > > > retrograde. > > > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > > > earth's > > > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling > > > > that they > > > > are in retrograde. > > > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > > > > reflect > > > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to > > > > understand > > > > the same] > > > > > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > > > > find > > > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of > > > > retrograde > > > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > > > > bad. > > > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual > > > > planets are > > > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute > > > > too > > > > much special importance to it. > > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the > > > > presence of > > > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he > > > > would > > > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > > > > he will > > > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many > > > > planets in > > > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable > > > > (this > > > > statement lacks textual support) > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " kankan_73 " > > > > kankan_73@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and > > > > their > > > > > effects in one's life. > > > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > > > retrograde. Is > > > > there > > > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly > > > > what is > > > > the > > > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard > > > > some > > > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > > debilitated > > > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's > > updated for today's economy) at Games. > > > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Krishna ji, Thanks for the input. I will provide my response on Mercury MD of your daughter in the next mail. Regards, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > You said: > > " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the man > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about 17 > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability so > far. I am just giving you a data point. > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as I > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde > planets cause health problems. > > Here are the birth details: > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990 > TOB: 20:35 > POB: Bangalore > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD, > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets. > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't consider > my request as a chart reading request. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Kannan ji, > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > > result of > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts > > like > > Saravali- > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all > > on a > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for > > long, and > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > > the > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of > > Dasa > > they will materialize. > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > retrograde is bad. > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and > > it > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth > > (compared to > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > retrograde. > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > earth's > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling > > that they > > are in retrograde. > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > > reflect > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to > > understand > > the same] > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > > find > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of > > retrograde > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > > bad. > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual > > planets are > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute > > too > > much special importance to it. > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the > > presence of > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he > > would > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > > he will > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many > > planets in > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable > > (this > > statement lacks textual support) > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " kankan_73 " > > <kankan_73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and > > their > > > effects in one's life. > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > retrograde. Is > > there > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly > > what is > > the > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard > > some > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > debilitated > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, Thanks for your kind note. I agree with your observations on my daughter's chart. All three benefic planets are retrograde. Based on what Sreendh quoted, I assume it is beneficial to the native. They becore direct as follows: Mercury - after 9 days Venus - After 28 days Jupiter - After 45 days Based on Ramadas Rao ji's calculation: I guess as she is more than 9 years old now, Mercury's retrogression is not an issue and I can assess her Mercury MD considering Mercury as direct. And as Venus becomes direct after 28 days, her delays related to mariage (note 7th lord Sani is combust) would be resolved after 28 years. Please comment. Regards, Krishna --- sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Hare krishna, > > dear krishnaji, > > As far as retro planets are concerned i > also support > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires > from past > lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and > lordships.Along with > other textual references > > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it > becomes an > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her . > > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise > might giv her > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be > various > educational pursuits . > > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri > .sreenath and > others > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > You said: > > > > " Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the > man > > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support) " > > > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about > 17 > > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability > so > > far. I am just giving you a data point. > > > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I > > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as > I > > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being > > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde > > planets cause health problems. > > > > Here are the birth details: > > > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990 > > TOB: 20:35 > > POB: Bangalore > > > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD, > > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets. > > > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't > consider > > my request as a chart reading request. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Sreenadh sreesog wrote: > > > > > Dear Kannan ji, > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the > > > result of > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per > texts > > > like > > > Saravali- > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results > all > > > on a > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for > > > long, and > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits > and > > > the > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end > of > > > Dasa > > > they will materialize. > > > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics > in > > > retrograde is bad. > > > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption > and > > > it > > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion > but - > > > > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth > > > (compared to > > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is > in > > > retrograde. > > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > > > earth's > > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling > > > that they > > > are in retrograde. > > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail > to > > > reflect > > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to > > > understand > > > the same] > > > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we > don't > > > find > > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of > > > retrograde > > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the > general > > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for > > > bad. > > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual > > > planets are > > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to > attribute > > > too > > > much special importance to it. > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the > > > presence of > > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which > he > > > would > > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the > end > > > he will > > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many > > > planets in > > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not > dependable > > > (this > > > statement lacks textual support) > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , > " kankan_73 " > > > kankan_73@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets > and > > > their > > > > effects in one's life. > > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are > > > retrograde. Is > > > there > > > > anything special in this. What they signify. > Particularly > > > what is > > > the > > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have > heard > > > some > > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > debilitated > > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________\ > ____________ > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji, I don't think that Mars is the planet alone that makes a sportman; I don't remember reading anywhere the same. Of course Mars is karaka for Wrestling or palm-wrestling, especially when combined with Me or Ve. It is said that Su-Ve combination can give positive results as far as sward fighting is concerned. For batsman I think the strength of 3rd and 11th house (arms) are important. I think the significator planets and houses varies for various sport items. Looking for references to all such possible combinations (for perticular sports) and making an elaborate list could be a big task. Depending totally on Mars for the same would be taking wrong path, not advised by the saints. Love, Sreenadh , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Robest / Sreenadh  > > Many sports star have debilitated mars (not necessarily retro) -  > > Saurav Ganguly (karka lagna - mars deb in lagna) > Mohd Azharudin (kanya lagna - deb mars in 11th) > > Well - I do not have chart data - so other mamebers may share. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. " > ************************************************ > > > rk > Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:15:13 -0700 > > Re: Re: Retrograde Planets > > Dear Sreenadh, > > Namaskara - > > You wrote: > >  Mixing and matching of both is not usually appreciated (just based > on the statement - retrograde plant gives results 'similar' to > exaltation). Retrograde is retrograde and exaltation is exaltation. > Even though they might be 'similar' in some respects they shouldn't > be considered as interchangeable. >  Yes, personally I too feel that considering " debilitated retrograde > as exalted " etc does not makes sense. > Love, > Srenadh > Although these statements garner good logic, experience bears out the opposite to what you've written. Take, for instance, the case of the great Basketball super-star Michael Jordan, who is unequivocally the greatest player in that sport to ever have lived. Note the data for the horoscope for Michael Jordan as follows: > > Michael Jordan > > Natal Chart > Date:         February 17, 1963 > Time:         10:20:00 > Time Zone:    5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place:        77 W 56' 42 " , 34 N 13' 32 " > Wilmington, North Carolina, USA > > Lagna = 18 Aries 55 > > Aries rises in this chart, with lagna lord Mars debilitated, retrograde, and also afflicted by Rahu. How could a great sports hero have debilitated and retrograde Mars, if what you've written above is correct? In fact, not only is Mars acting as if exalted in this horoscope, but also confers the full effects of Raja-yoga. I will find other examples to reinforce this point as well. > > Best regards, > Robert > , Panditji > <navagraha@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of shadbala). > Planets > > get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer planets that > means away > > from the sun, so they are bright. So it makes astronomical sense as > well. I > > have not seen any meaningful discussion on effects of them in a > chart. > > > > When you say good planets, you mean naturally benefic ( guru, > shukra) and > > bad planets meaning naturally malefic ( shani, mangal) ? Also what > about > > theories floating around of exalted retro is like dbilited and > debilited > > retro is like exalted? Any textual support of this ? Personally it > makes not > > much sense. > > > > ... > > > > > > On 6/28/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > >  Dear Kannan ji, > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result of > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like > > > Saravali- > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, and > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and the > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of Dasa > > > they will materialize. > > > > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in > > > retrograde is bad. > > > > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it > > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared to > > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in > > > retrograde. > > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the earth's > > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that > they > > > are in retrograde. > > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to > reflect > > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to > understand > > > the same] > > > > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't find > > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde > > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general > > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. > > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual planets > are > > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute too > > > much special importance to it. > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the presence > of > > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he would > > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end he > will > > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets in > > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable (this > > > statement lacks textual support) > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In > <% > 40>, > > > " kankan_73 " > > > <kankan_73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and > their > > > > effects in one's life. > > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. Is > > > there > > > > anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly what > is > > > the > > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some > > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like > > > debilitated > > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. > > > > Kindly give your views. > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Hare krishna, Dear krishnaji, According to some naadis venus controlles only quality of married life and mars is real mangal kartha and the bringer of males in a female life ,in her chart it is strongly placed.Also venus vakri showing ,the venus is trying to escape such situation and jupiter being vakri aspecting this combination of venus and also mars.So it shows also devine grace and any remedies in that direction will work . As per vedic astrology 7th lord in 5th may show a choice marriage ,but care shud be taken while selecting.But the 4th lord of family happiness well palced and giving a mahapurusha yoga and in navamsa also as lord is well placed in 11th house and giving its amsa to 7th house in rasi ,so in the long run it will be beneficial --yes may be after natural year of maturity ,if some problems exists will be solved .also venus is 10th lord of profession in her chart. i think 25 to 28 is period of marriage as dasa and various marriage points r triggerred that time in transit also . By the time the great mischief and schemer rahu also will pass transit over her mars ,a special combo applicable to her chart.(during this time care shud be taken while fixing marriage).it will be over may be within 5 to 6 years. All figures i take roughly only ,just to get a rough idea , hope this helps u . regrds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > Thanks for your kind note. I agree with your observations on my> daughter's chart. > > All three benefic planets are retrograde. Based on what Sreendh> quoted, I assume it is beneficial to the native. They becore> direct as follows:> > Mercury - after 9 days> Venus - After 28 days> Jupiter - After 45 days> > Based on Ramadas Rao ji's calculation:> > I guess as she is more than 9 years old now, Mercury's> retrogression is not an issue and I can assess her Mercury MD> considering Mercury as direct. And as Venus becomes direct after> 28 days, her delays related to mariage (note 7th lord Sani is> combust) would be resolved after 28 years.> > Please comment.> > Regards,> Krishna> > --- sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > dear krishnaji,> > > > As far as retro planets are concerned i> > also support> > the view of sri ramadasji ,some unfinished krama or desires> > from past> > lives ,depending on karakatwas and placements and> > lordships.Along with> > other textual references> > > > mercury in her case is in exchange with jupiter and it> > becomes an> > exchange of 5th and 11th lords,so i dont think bad for her .> > > > rest u know as a scholar urself .This exchange other wise> > might giv her> > good oral skills and may be quest for knowledge and may be> > various> > educational pursuits .> > > > Pls clarify ,also i invite scholarly comments from sri> > .sreenath and> > others> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh,> > >> > > You said:> > >> > > "Too many planets in retrograde may also indicate that the> > man> > > is not dependable (this statement lacks textual support)"> > >> > > Well, my daughter has three planets retrograde. She is about> > 17> > > years now. And, I don't see any problems with dependability> > so> > > far. I am just giving you a data point.> > >> > > In any case, as three planets are retrograde in her chart, I> > > always see it as a roadblock to analyse her chart myself as> > I> > > don't understand the correct effect of a planet being> > > retrograde. Dr. Charak, in his book, says that retrograde> > > planets cause health problems.> > >> > > Here are the birth details:> > >> > > DOB: 11-Jan-1990> > > TOB: 20:35> > > POB: Bangalore> > >> > > I would be interested to know how would be her Mercury MD,> > > Mercury being one of the retrograde planets.> > >> > > I look forward to your comments, hoping that you won't> > consider> > > my request as a chart reading request.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > --- Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > > Dear Kannan ji,> > > > Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in> > > > Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the> > > > result of> > > > exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per> > texts> > > > like> > > > Saravali-> > > > * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results> > all> > > > on a> > > > sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet.> > > > * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for> > > > long, and> > > > will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits> > and> > > > the> > > > results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end> > of> > > > Dasa> > > > they will materialize.> > > >> > > > So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics> > in> > > > retrograde is bad.> > > >> > > > Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption> > and> > > > it> > > > never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion> > but -> > > >> > > > * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth> > > > (compared to> > > > that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is> > in> > > > retrograde.> > > > * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the> > > > earth's> > > > orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling> > > > that they> > > > are in retrograde.> > > > [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail> > to> > > > reflect> > > > the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to> > > > understand> > > > the same]> > > >> > > > In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we> > don't> > > > find> > > > many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of> > > > retrograde> > > > motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the> > general> > > > statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for> > > > bad.> > > > Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual> > > > planets are> > > > neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to> > attribute> > > > too> > > > much special importance to it.> > > > But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the> > > > presence of> > > > too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which> > he> > > > would> > > > have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the> > end> > > > he will> > > > be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many> > > > planets in> > > > retrograde may also indicate that the man is not> > dependable> > > > (this> > > > statement lacks textual support)> > > > Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > ,> > "kankan_73"> > > > kankan_73@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > > I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets> > and> > > > their> > > > > effects in one's life.> > > > > Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are> > > > retrograde. Is> > > > there> > > > > anything special in this. What they signify.> > Particularly> > > > what is> > > > the> > > > > result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have> > heard> > > > some> > > > > theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like> > > > debilitated> > > > > and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this.> > > > > Kindly give your views.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > Kannan> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ______________________\> > ____________> > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now> > (it's> > updated for today's economy) at Games.> > > http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow> > >> > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Sreenadh ji No - I did not mean to say that mars is karaka or had major role for their success. I just provided two natives, who have debilitated mars and they have excelled in sports. Of course - there must be many more areas of chart to be looked into. If members have the chart data of Ganguly and Azharuddin, then we may look at other contributing factors as well. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. " ************************************************ > > sreesog > Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:13:29 -0000 > > Re: Retrograde Planets > > Dear Prafulla ji, > I don't think that Mars is the planet alone that makes a sportman; > I don't remember reading anywhere the same. > > Of course Mars is karaka for Wrestling or palm-wrestling, especially > when combined with Me or Ve. It is said that Su-Ve combination can > give positive results as far as sward fighting is concerned. For > batsman I think the strength of 3rd and 11th house (arms) are > important. I think the significator planets and houses varies for > various sport items. Looking for references to all such possible > combinations (for perticular sports) and making an elaborate list > could be a big task. > Depending totally on Mars for the same would be taking wrong path, > not advised by the saints. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Robest / Sreenadh  >> >> Many sports star have debilitated mars (not necessarily retro) -  >> >> Saurav Ganguly (karka lagna - mars deb in lagna) >> Mohd Azharudin (kanya lagna - deb mars in 11th) >> >> Well - I do not have chart data - so other mamebers may share. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> http://www.prafulla.net >> >> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to > be taken seriously. " >> ************************************************ >> >> >> rk >> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:15:13 -0700 >> >> Re: Re: Retrograde Planets >> >> Dear Sreenadh, >> >> Namaskara - >> >> You wrote: >> >>  Mixing and matching of both is not usually appreciated (just > based >> on the statement - retrograde plant gives results 'similar' to >> exaltation). Retrograde is retrograde and exaltation is exaltation. >> Even though they might be 'similar' in some respects they shouldn't >> be considered as interchangeable. >>  Yes, personally I too feel that considering " debilitated > retrograde >> as exalted " etc does not makes sense. >> Love, >> Srenadh >> Although these statements garner good logic, experience bears out > the opposite to what you've written. Take, for instance, the case > of the great Basketball super-star Michael Jordan, who is > unequivocally the greatest player in that sport to ever have lived. > Note the data for the horoscope for Michael Jordan as follows: >> >> Michael Jordan >> >> Natal Chart >> Date:         February 17, 1963 >> Time:         10:20:00 >> Time Zone:    5:00:00 (West of GMT) >> Place:        77 W 56' 42 " , 34 N 13' 32 " >> Wilmington, North Carolina, USA >> >> Lagna = 18 Aries 55 >> >> Aries rises in this chart, with lagna lord Mars debilitated, > retrograde, and also afflicted by Rahu. How could a great sports > hero have debilitated and retrograde Mars, if what you've written > above is correct? In fact, not only is Mars acting as if exalted in > this horoscope, but also confers the full effects of Raja-yoga. I > will find other examples to reinforce this point as well. >> >> Best regards, >> Robert >> , Panditji >> <navagraha@> wrote: >>> >>> Namaste, >>> >>> Retrogression is part of chesta bala ( One component of > shadbala). >> Planets >>> get retrograde when they are closest to earth. Outer planets that >> means away >>> from the sun, so they are bright. So it makes astronomical sense > as >> well. I >>> have not seen any meaningful discussion on effects of them in a >> chart. >>> >>> When you say good planets, you mean naturally benefic ( guru, >> shukra) and >>> bad planets meaning naturally malefic ( shani, mangal) ? Also > what >> about >>> theories floating around of exalted retro is like dbilited and >> debilited >>> retro is like exalted? Any textual support of this ? Personally > it >> makes not >>> much sense. >>> >>> ... >>> >>> >>> On 6/28/07, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: >>>> >>> >  Dear Kannan ji, >>>> Generally retrograde is considered as good. It is said in >>>> Phaladeepika that the planet in retrograde will give the result > of >>>> exaltation. But there is a cute thing to note. As per texts like >>>> Saravali- >>>> * The planet in retrograde will give beneficial results all on a >>>> sudden ONLY IF it is a beneficial planet. >>>> * If the planet is a malefic, the person will suffer for long, > and >>>> will have to undertake hard effort even for small benefits and > the >>>> results would be usually delayed. But of course at the end of > Dasa >>>> they will materialize. >>>> >>>> So in short, benefics in retrograde is good, and malefics in >>>> retrograde is bad. >>>> >>>> Thinking astronomically retrograde is just our assumption and it >>>> never happens. i.e the planet is always in direct motion but - >>>> * for outer planets since the angle covered by earth (compared > to >>>> that planet) is more and we will feel that the planet is in >>>> retrograde. >>>> * For inner planets when the planet orbits sun (since the > earth's >>>> orbit is bigger than their orbit) we will have the feeling that >> they >>>> are in retrograde. >>>> [Me not being a proper scholar, the above words may fail to >> reflect >>>> the actual meaning. A pictorial description is better to >> understand >>>> the same] >>>> >>>> In the ancient texts apart from occasional reference we don't > find >>>> many slokas that are attributed to the discussion of retrograde >>>> motion. They some how seems to be satisfied with the general >>>> statement, retrograde is good for good planets and bad for bad. >>>> Slokas that describe the retrograde results of individual > planets >> are >>>> neither available nor the earlier scholars seems to attribute > too >>>> much special importance to it. >>>> But still 3 planets in retrograde generally indicate the > presence >> of >>>> too much opposing conditions in the said mans life, which he > would >>>> have to over come. But the same also indicate that at the end > he >> will >>>> be rewarded with success, even though delayed. Too many planets > in >>>> retrograde may also indicate that the man is not dependable > (this >>>> statement lacks textual support) >>>> Love, >>>> Sreenadh >>>> >>>> --- In >> <% >> 40>, >>>> " kankan_73 " >>>> <kankan_73@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Sreenadhji, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to know something about Retrograde Planets and >> their >>>>> effects in one's life. >>>>> Today, I have seen a chart in which 3 planets are retrograde. > Is >>>> there >>>>> anything special in this. What they signify. Particularly > what >> is >>>> the >>>>> result when Lagna Lord itself is retrograde. I have heard some >>>>> theories like Retrograde planets in exaltation acts like >>>> debilitated >>>>> and vise versa. Is there some thing more than this. >>>>> Kindly give your views. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks & regards, >>>>> Kannan >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
