introduction

May 12, 2004

Hi Bettina,

Sure! The book that started it all:

" Eastern Astrology for the Western Mind " by James Braha

, " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

wrote:

> Debra, do you mind if I ask what the name of the book was?

>

> ... Bettina

>

> dqm51 [dqm51@s...]

> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM

>

> Re: Introduction

>

> Morgana,

>

> I found your post interesting and wanted to share.

>

> I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally

> introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour reading

> (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a

whole) My

> soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe

and

> numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did

> that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the

book

> she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course

of

> knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her

> kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All

she

> did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own ship.

> Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue to

> communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an

angel

> who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have

it

> all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and

have

> people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of

getting in

> touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the

answers

> outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the

> psychology and personality as a whole for characterization.

Vedic,

> for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of

> oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.

>

> I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?

>

> Debra

>

> , " morgana "

> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:

> > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am

> still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with

a

> gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked

him,

> on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified.

I

> feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much.

I

> have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not

often

> such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of my

> years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not

> there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning

into

> the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I

do

> like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It is

> exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path

taken

> in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The

work

> we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally

> things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers,

Morgana

> > -

> > dqm51

> >

> > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM

> > Re: Introduction

> >

> > Hi Morgana

> >

> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the

> greetings

> > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts.

Your

> > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and

learn

> > further in areas where I am weak.

> > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you

could

> > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn Vedic?

> The

> > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The

> > stillness? Or more?

> >

> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm

played

> out

> > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...

> >

> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from

heaven

> >

> > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at

peace -

>

> > All's well with me and the world!

> >

> > Debra

> >

> > , " morgana "

> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:

> > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-realization

> > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life

as

> a

> > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly

> assisting

> > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I

am

> > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and

what a

> > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years.

> Doesn't

> > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more

like a

> > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like you

> are

> > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit

> too.

> > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana

> > > -

> > > dqm51

> > >

> > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM

> > > Introduction

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.

> > >

> > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now

and

> have

> > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of

> months.

> > >

> > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself

have

> > been

> > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years.

Although, I

> must

> > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would

say

> the

> > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to

put

> two

> > and

> > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on

studying

> the

> > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to

> better

> > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit

> > interpetation

> > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far

it

> has

> > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in

both

> > systems

> > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown and

> > > interpetation.

> > >

> > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with

others!

> > >

> > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation

for

> > self

> > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and

oneness

> > through

> > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign

> > position of

> > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as a

> whole

> > and

> > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs

> meanings. I

> > have

> > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating!

> > >

> > > Debra

> > > 7/28/1951

> > > Chicago, IL

> > > 9:14am (standard time)

> > > Lahiri 3* Virgo

> > >

May 12, 2004

Hi Debra, I explained this a few weeks ago and don't want to bore anyone, so will keep it brief regarding my name. I chose it from the mythological Warrior Goddess of Celtic Mythology, the Morrigen; and by choosing a softer version 'Morgaina' it felt more comfortable to me. I added the 'i' to it in the legal name change,(I went through a protected identity change and had to change my identity) to ensure good health numerologically but prefer the pronunciation of Morgana for the softer sound overtones; perhaps I will truly become the Warrior Woman when I pronounce it as is. That seems to be coming to me more lately; perhaps I was only able to be Morgana, a softer version, until now...we'll see. I've been working with the image of the shape-shifting Raven Goddess lately and maybe I am being prompted from within, lol; I will add to this by saying that everyone in my psychotherapy group is working on 'authentic self'...no more role playing for anyone, so perhaps that is also working under the surface. Oh well, musing here, hope everyone is well, and Flick? New for us? I bet everyone who contacts you lately asks you that question, all the best with you and your family during this process of birth, warm wishes, Morgana

-

dqm51

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM

Re: Introduction

Morgana,I found your post interesting and wanted to share.I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour reading (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a whole) My soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe and numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the book she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course of knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All she did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own ship. Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue to communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an angel who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have it all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and have people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of getting in touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the answers outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the psychology and personality as a whole for characterization. Vedic, for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?Debra , "morgana" <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with a gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked him, on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified. I feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much. I have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not often such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of my years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning into the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I do like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It is exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path taken in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The work we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers, Morgana> - > dqm51 > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM> Re: Introduction> > > Hi Morgana> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the greetings > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts. Your > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and learn > further in areas where I am weak.> 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you could > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn Vedic? The > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The > stillness? Or more?> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm played out > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from heaven > > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at peace - > All's well with me and the world! > > > Debra > > > , "morgana" > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-realization > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life as a > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly assisting > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I am > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and what a > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years. Doesn't > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more like a > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like you are > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit too. > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana> > - > > dqm51 > > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM> > Introduction> > > > > > Hi Everyone,> > > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.> > > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now and have > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of months. > > > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself have > been > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years. Although, I must > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would say the > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to put two > and > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on studying the > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to better > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit > interpetation > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far it has > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in both > systems > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown and > > interpetation. > > > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with others!> > > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation for > self > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and oneness > through > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign > position of > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as a whole > and > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs meanings. I > have > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating! > > > > Debra> > 7/28/1951> > Chicago, IL> > 9:14am (standard time)> > Lahiri 3* Virgo> > > > > >

May 12, 2004

Morgana,

I thought so. I recognized it Right Away!

No, I haven't read the prior post but will do so

Interesting. I like Morgana. I think she can be just as much as a

Warrior Goddess as Morgaina but with a feminine strength. Debra

, " morgana "

<morganaspirit@t...> wrote:

> Hi Debra, I explained this a few weeks ago and don't want to bore

anyone, so will keep it brief regarding my name. I chose it from

the mythological Warrior Goddess of Celtic Mythology, the Morrigen;

and by choosing a softer version 'Morgaina' it felt more

comfortable to me. I added the 'i' to it in the legal name change,

(I went through a protected identity change and had to change my

identity) to ensure good health numerologically but prefer the

pronunciation of Morgana for the softer sound overtones; perhaps I

will truly become the Warrior Woman when I pronounce it as is. That

seems to be coming to me more lately; perhaps I was only able to be

Morgana, a softer version, until now...we'll see. I've been working

with the image of the shape-shifting Raven Goddess lately and maybe

I am being prompted from within, lol; I will add to this by saying

that everyone in my psychotherapy group is working on 'authentic

self'...no more role playing for anyone, so perhaps that is also

working under the surface. Oh well, musing here, hope everyone is

well, and Flick? New for us? I bet everyone who contacts you

lately asks you that question, all the best with you and your family

during this process of birth, warm wishes, Morgana

> -

> dqm51

>

> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM

> Re: Introduction

>

> Morgana,

>

> I found your post interesting and wanted to share.

>

> I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally

> introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour

reading

> (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a

whole) My

> soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe

and

> numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did

> that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the

book

> she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course

of

> knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her

> kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All

she

> did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own

ship.

> Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue

to

> communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an

angel

> who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have

it

> all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and

have

> people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of

getting in

> touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the

answers

> outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the

> psychology and personality as a whole for characterization.

Vedic,

> for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of

> oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.

>

> I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?

>

> Debra

>

> , " morgana "

> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:

> > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am

> still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with

a

> gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked

him,

> on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified.

I

> feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much.

I

> have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not

often

> such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of

my

> years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not

> there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning

into

> the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I

do

> like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It

is

> exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path

taken

> in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The

work

> we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally

> things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers,

Morgana

> > -

> > dqm51

> >

> > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM

> > Re: Introduction

> >

> > Hi Morgana

> >

> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the

> greetings

> > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts.

Your

> > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and

learn

> > further in areas where I am weak.

> > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you

could

> > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn

Vedic?

> The

> > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The

> > stillness? Or more?

> >

> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm

played

> out

> > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...

> >

> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from

heaven

> >

> > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at

peace -

>

> > All's well with me and the world!

> >

> > Debra

> >

> > , " morgana "

> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:

> > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-

realization

> > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life

as

> a

> > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly

> assisting

> > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I

am

> > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and

what a

> > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years.

> Doesn't

> > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more

like a

> > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like

you

> are

> > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit

> too.

> > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana

> > > -

> > > dqm51

> > >

> > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM

> > > Introduction

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.

> > >

> > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now

and

> have

> > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of

> months.

> > >

> > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself

have

> > been

> > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years.

Although, I

> must

> > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would

say

> the

> > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to

put

> two

> > and

> > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on

studying

> the

> > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to

> better

> > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit

> > interpetation

> > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far

it

> has

> > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in

both

> > systems

> > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown

and

> > > interpetation.

> > >

> > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with

others!

> > >

> > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation

for

> > self

> > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and

oneness

> > through

> > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign

> > position of

> > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as

a

> whole

> > and

> > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs

> meanings. I

> > have

> > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating!

> > >

> > > Debra

> > > 7/28/1951

> > > Chicago, IL

> > > 9:14am (standard time)

> > > Lahiri 3* Virgo

> > >

May 12, 2004

Hi Patrice

I apologize for the confusion. Yes, my birth time should be

calculated from 9:14am Standard time. It will put my ASC Lahari 3*

Virgo. I would give Bettina's birth info and even though listed on

site here - I don't have her permission to repeat it to others.

Sorry. But it is there. I beleive going back last week or 5days.

Debra

, " Patrice Curry "

<patricecurry@c...> wrote:

> Hello Dear Debra and Bettina,

>

> I was just looking in the archives to see if I could locate your

birth info Bettina, and instead came across your original birth data

given Debra. My apologies for any confusion. I see you gave 10:14 in

your original post on this.

>

> I didn't find yours Bettina, was looking to follow along on your

posts referring to it.

>

> Best wishes,

> Patrice

>

> _________

> Hi Dear Debra,

>

> A sister named Patrice! I've been enyoying your great enthusiasm

and posts ;-)

>

> Just looked up your birth chart on PL and also on Goravani Jyotish

and each program gives you a 1 hour DST. Is this incorrect? You

wrote below (standard time) so I'm assuming you know this DST to be

off. Yikes, I trust these programs and wouldn't have ever thought to

change this for you.

>

> Peace,

> Patrice

May 13, 2004

Hi, Deb ... yes, I have that one too. It's good, but L on L is a must!

.... Bettina

dqm51 [dqm51]Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: IntroductionHi Bettina,Sure! The book that started it all:"Eastern Astrology for the Western Mind" by James Braha , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> Debra, do you mind if I ask what the name of the book was?> > > ... Bettina> > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM> > Re: Introduction> > > Morgana,> > I found your post interesting and wanted to share.> > I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally> introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour reading> (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a whole) My> soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe and> numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did> that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the book> she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course of> knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her> kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All she> did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own ship.> Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue to> communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an angel> who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have it> all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and have> people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of getting in> touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the answers> outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the> psychology and personality as a whole for characterization. Vedic,> for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of> oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.> > I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?> > Debra> > > > > > , "morgana"> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am> still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with a> gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked him,> on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified. I> feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much. I> have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not often> such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of my> years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not> there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning into> the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I do> like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It is> exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path taken> in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The work> we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally> things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers, Morgana> > -> > dqm51> > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM> > Re: Introduction> >> >> > Hi Morgana> >> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the> greetings> > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts. Your> > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and learn> > further in areas where I am weak.> > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you could> > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn Vedic?> The> > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The> > stillness? Or more?> >> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm played> out> > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...> >> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from heaven> >> > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at peace -> > > All's well with me and the world!> >> >> > Debra> >> >> > , "morgana"> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-realization> > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life as> a> > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly> assisting> > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I am> > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and what a> > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years.> Doesn't> > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more like a> > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like you> are> > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit> too.> > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana> > > -> > > dqm51> > > > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM> > > Introduction> > >> > >> > > Hi Everyone,> > >> > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.> > >> > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now and> have> > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of> months.> > >> > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself have> > been> > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years. Although, I> must> > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would say> the> > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to put> two> > and> > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on studying> the> > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to> better> > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit> > interpetation> > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far it> has> > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in both> > systems> > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown and> > > interpetation.> > >> > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with others!> > >> > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation for> > self> > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and oneness> > through> > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign> > position of> > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as a> whole> > and> > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs> meanings. I> > have> > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating!> > >> > > Debra> > > 7/28/1951> > > Chicago, IL> > > 9:14am (standard time)> > > Lahiri 3* Virgo> > >> > >> > >

May 13, 2004

Here it is, Patrice: Oct. 5, 1944 / 22:51 / Providence, RI, USA / 41 N 49, 71 W 25

.... Bettina

Patrice Curry [patricecurry]Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Re: Introduction

Hello Dear Debra and Bettina,

I was just looking in the archives to see if I could locate your birth info Bettina, and instead came across your original birth data given Debra. My apologies for any confusion. I see you gave 10:14 in your original post on this.

I didn't find yours Bettina, was looking to follow along on your posts referring to it.

Best wishes,

Patrice

_________

Hi Dear Debra,

A sister named Patrice! I've been enyoying your great enthusiasm and posts ;-)

Just looked up your birth chart on PL and also on Goravani Jyotish and each program gives you a 1 hour DST. Is this incorrect? You wrote below (standard time) so I'm assuming you know this DST to be off. Yikes, I trust these programs and wouldn't have ever thought to change this for you.

Peace,

Patrice

May 13, 2004

Hi Debra,

Since the lady who touched you so dearly has died, would you be willing to

give us her name? Also, like Bettina, I'd like to know the name of the book

she recommended.

I love the name Morgana, too! Maybe because it rings mythological bells

deep in my subconscious.

Blessings,

Therese

May 13, 2004

Hi Therese,

Her first name was Meher.

She came to this country from India in the early 80 " s. She died at

the age of 62yrs old.

She was raised with the Koran but found value in Vedic astrology.

(against her family beliefs and values - her father was in the

Indian gov council at one time)

She was able to blend the two for me.

The book she gave me is titled " Eastern Astrology for the Western

Mind " by James Braha

She encourged me to start with that book and then when I was ready

to move on to other books. She said I would find my way in time,

when it was right.

Today, I have over 300 books in my collection. Eastern, Western,

Astronomy, mythology, comparative religion, beginning of

civilization history books; from aristole to Indian epic books to

modern world culture.

I search for the best of the best from no real knowledge. So my

collection has some very good authors, and not some. Some who have

psychology degrees and or religion degrees and so on.

I am still adding to my Eastern collection. Moving on to more

sophisticated authors from India and matheticians.

I have a lot of knowledge in my library that very well could teach

me everything I want to know but, I have not comprehended it all nor

do books in general give one all the nuisances of explanation and

idiosynchrocities one picks up and uses from contact with others.

I am not in the habit of reading any one book from cover to cover.

Rather, I have several books going at once as I research different

things I am contemplating. Those books i study in-depth I know as

familiar when I reread again. Sometimes its too much and I have to

take a break for a few weeks or so from everything.

However, I go back to my books and I always find something new. I

think for me it comes as I unfold in understanding and things start

to click. My expanded reading into the other areas I mentioned give

me a better sense of understanding people, their motives and where

we are today in spirituality vs where we have come from in the

past. I find it helps my intergration of understanding the concepts

of Vedic principals.

I have a few sankrit books with english translations and it is still

all greek to me. Something I need to work on

So I will call my collection a good reference library. Even if I do

have my favorite authors. DeFouw is one, so is Ernst Welhemn(?)

another, Charack(?), Frawley, Rath etc.,

I guess I found myself!

, Therese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> Hi Debra,

>

> Since the lady who touched you so dearly has died, would you be

willing to

> give us her name? Also, like Bettina, I'd like to know the name of

the book

> she recommended.

>

> I love the name Morgana, too! Maybe because it rings mythological

bells

> deep in my subconscious.

>

> Blessings,

> Therese

May 13, 2004

, " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

wrote:

> Hi, Deb ... yes, I have that one too. It's good, but L on L is a

must!

Yes, I agree!!!!

I need to go back and reread and really study for retention of names

and procedures. It's a good one with depth

D

> ... Bettina

>

> dqm51 [dqm51@s...]

> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:02 PM

>

> Re: Introduction

>

> Hi Bettina,

>

> Sure! The book that started it all:

>

> " Eastern Astrology for the Western Mind " by James Braha

>

> , " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

> wrote:

> > Debra, do you mind if I ask what the name of the book was?

> >

> > ... Bettina

> >

> > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]

> > Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM

> >

> > Re: Introduction

> >

> > Morgana,

> >

> > I found your post interesting and wanted to share.

> >

> > I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally

> > introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour

reading

> > (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a

> whole) My

> > soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in

awe

> and

> > numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she

did

> > that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and

the

> book

> > she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this

course

> of

> > knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her

> > kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance.

All

> she

> > did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own

ship.

> > Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could

continue to

> > communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like

an

> angel

> > who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really

have

> it

> > all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and

> have

> > people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of

> getting in

> > touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the

> answers

> > outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the

> > psychology and personality as a whole for characterization.

> Vedic,

> > for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of

> > oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.

> >

> > I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?

> >

> > Debra

> >

> > , " morgana "

> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:

> > > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I

am

> > still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting

with

> a

> > gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I

asked

> him,

> > on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has

intensified.

> I

> > feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing

much.

> I

> > have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew!

Not

> often

> > such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all

of my

> > years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was

not

> > there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning

> into

> > the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next,

although I

> do

> > like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all.

It is

> > exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the

path

> taken

> > in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The

> work

> > we do is so important though...the self-realization when

finally

> > things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers,

> Morgana

> > > -

> > > dqm51

> > >

> > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM

> > > Re: Introduction

> > >

> > > Hi Morgana

> > >

> > > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the

> > greetings

> > > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your

posts.

> Your

> > > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and

> learn

> > > further in areas where I am weak.

> > > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you

> could

> > > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn

Vedic?

> > The

> > > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious?

The

> > > stillness? Or more?

> > >

> > > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm

> played

> > out

> > > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...

> > >

> > > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from

> heaven

> > >

> > > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at

> peace -

> >

> > > All's well with me and the world!

> > >

> > > Debra

> > >

> > > , " morgana "

> > > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:

> > > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-

realization

> > > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of

life

> as

> > a

> > > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is

greatly

> > assisting

> > > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too.

Also I

> am

> > > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and

> what a

> > > challenge for me after studying western for over 30

years.

> > Doesn't

> > > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more

> like a

> > > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds

like you

> > are

> > > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit

> > too.

> > > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana

> > > > -

> > > > dqm51

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM

> > > > Introduction

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks

now

> and

> > have

> > > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a

couple of

> > months.

> > > >

> > > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I

myself

> have

> > > been

> > > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years.

> Although, I

> > must

> > > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I

would

> say

> > the

> > > > last year I have had the time to read more and start

to

> put

> > two

> > > and

> > > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on

> studying

> > the

> > > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as

to

> > better

> > > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit

> > > interpetation

> > > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so

far

> it

> > has

> > > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance

in

> both

> > > systems

> > > > and that has really intrigued me with chart

breakdown and

> > > > interpetation.

> > > >

> > > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with

> others!

> > > >

> > > > I am particularly interested in the topics of

meditation

> for

> > > self

> > > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and

> oneness

> > > through

> > > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and

sign

> > > position of

> > > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart

as a

> > whole

> > > and

> > > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs

> > meanings. I

> > > have

> > > > done a lot of mythological sign reading.

Fascinating!

> > > >

> > > > Debra

> > > > 7/28/1951

> > > > Chicago, IL

> > > > 9:14am (standard time)

> > > > Lahiri 3* Virgo

> > > >

May 15, 2004

Dear Deb ...

I remember that yesterday you asked me how I first got interested in astrology. I can't find that letter (have to do some housekeeping), so I'm replying to it through this older one.

It was 1967 and my first son was a baby. You know how it is with a baby, esp if you don't know anyone in town (the town being San Francisco; I'd just moved there). You spend a lot of time at home with the kid and can get a little bored. Nowadays moms are more apt to work and have their babes in daycare, but that was a different era. Some friends of my husband (now my ex) visited from the east coast and they were into astr. They had few books with them. They weren't great at it, but good enough that I could see there was something to it. After that I spent several hours a day reading and pouring over charts. Before that I thought anyone who believed it it was silly. All I'd known about was the little daily things in the newspaper. I was hooked. The first book I had was Message of the Stars by Max Heindel. He was really stuffy and old fashioned and very moralistic and absolute. I recall one thing he said though, and that was that if a woman had a Sun/Nep cnj, her husband was likely to be an alcoholic. I laughed! A few years later it became apparent that my then husband had developed a real problem in that area. That was one reason for our divorce.

At about the age of 32 or 33 a met a woman who became my teacher and also a very dear friend. She was and is a Vedic astrologer. I've been using and studying Vedic ever since. I always consider myself to be a student and a learner. I don't know enough that I could consistently help people, and if you can't help people, you shouldn't charge $$$. That's my belief. I will never be a pro in this life, tho I've done a little writing. Anecdotal stuff.

Astr. and poetry writhing are my two great loves. They both keep me jazzed.

.... Bettina

dqm51 [dqm51]Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: IntroductionHi Bettina,Sure! The book that started it all:"Eastern Astrology for the Western Mind" by James Braha , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> Debra, do you mind if I ask what the name of the book was?> > > ... Bettina> > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM> > Re: Introduction> > > Morgana,> > I found your post interesting and wanted to share.> > I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally> introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour reading> (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a whole) My> soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe and> numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did> that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the book> she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course of> knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her> kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All she> did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own ship.> Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue to> communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an angel> who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have it> all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and have> people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of getting in> touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the answers> outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the> psychology and personality as a whole for characterization. Vedic,> for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of> oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.> > I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?> > Debra> > > > > > , "morgana"> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am> still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with a> gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked him,> on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified. I> feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much. I> have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not often> such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of my> years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not> there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning into> the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I do> like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It is> exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path taken> in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The work> we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally> things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers, Morgana> > -> > dqm51> > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM> > Re: Introduction> >> >> > Hi Morgana> >> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the> greetings> > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts. Your> > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and learn> > further in areas where I am weak.> > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you could> > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn Vedic?> The> > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The> > stillness? Or more?> >> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm played> out> > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...> >> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from heaven> >> > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at peace -> > > All's well with me and the world!> >> >> > Debra> >> >> > , "morgana"> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-realization> > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life as> a> > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly> assisting> > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I am> > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and what a> > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years.> Doesn't> > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more like a> > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like you> are> > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit> too.> > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana> > > -> > > dqm51> > > > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM> > > Introduction> > >> > >> > > Hi Everyone,> > >> > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.> > >> > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now and> have> > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of> months.> > >> > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself have> > been> > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years. Although, I> must> > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would say> the> > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to put> two> > and> > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on studying> the> > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to> better> > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit> > interpetation> > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far it> has> > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in both> > systems> > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown and> > > interpetation.> > >> > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with others!> > >> > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation for> > self> > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and oneness> > through> > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign> > position of> > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as a> whole> > and> > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs> meanings. I> > have> > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating!> > >> > > Debra> > > 7/28/1951> > > Chicago, IL> > > 9:14am (standard time)> > > Lahiri 3* Virgo> > >> > >> > >

May 15, 2004

Bettina, I enjoyed your story about beginning interest in astrology for you. Isn't it interesting to note the events that propel us in that direction, or any direction, or any path in life? Sometimes that is all it takes, just a little nudge, cheers, Morgana

-

Bettina

Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:48 AM

RE: Re: Introduction

Dear Deb ...

I remember that yesterday you asked me how I first got interested in astrology. I can't find that letter (have to do some housekeeping), so I'm replying to it through this older one.

It was 1967 and my first son was a baby. You know how it is with a baby, esp if you don't know anyone in town (the town being San Francisco; I'd just moved there). You spend a lot of time at home with the kid and can get a little bored. Nowadays moms are more apt to work and have their babes in daycare, but that was a different era. Some friends of my husband (now my ex) visited from the east coast and they were into astr. They had few books with them. They weren't great at it, but good enough that I could see there was something to it. After that I spent several hours a day reading and pouring over charts. Before that I thought anyone who believed it it was silly. All I'd known about was the little daily things in the newspaper. I was hooked. The first book I had was Message of the Stars by Max Heindel. He was really stuffy and old fashioned and very moralistic and absolute. I recall one thing he said though, and that was that if a woman had a Sun/Nep cnj, her husband was likely to be an alcoholic. I laughed! A few years later it became apparent that my then husband had developed a real problem in that area. That was one reason for our divorce.

At about the age of 32 or 33 a met a woman who became my teacher and also a very dear friend. She was and is a Vedic astrologer. I've been using and studying Vedic ever since. I always consider myself to be a student and a learner. I don't know enough that I could consistently help people, and if you can't help people, you shouldn't charge $$$. That's my belief. I will never be a pro in this life, tho I've done a little writing. Anecdotal stuff.

Astr. and poetry writhing are my two great loves. They both keep me jazzed.

.... Bettina

dqm51 [dqm51]Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: IntroductionHi Bettina,Sure! The book that started it all:"Eastern Astrology for the Western Mind" by James Braha , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> Debra, do you mind if I ask what the name of the book was?> > > ... Bettina> > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM> > Re: Introduction> > > Morgana,> > I found your post interesting and wanted to share.> > I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally> introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour reading> (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a whole) My> soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe and> numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did> that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the book> she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course of> knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her> kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All she> did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own ship.> Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue to> communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an angel> who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have it> all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and have> people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of getting in> touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the answers> outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the> psychology and personality as a whole for characterization. Vedic,> for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of> oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.> > I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?> > Debra> > > > > > , "morgana"> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am> still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with a> gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked him,> on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified. I> feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much. I> have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not often> such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of my> years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not> there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning into> the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I do> like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It is> exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path taken> in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The work> we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally> things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers, Morgana> > -> > dqm51> > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM> > Re: Introduction> >> >> > Hi Morgana> >> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the> greetings> > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts. Your> > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and learn> > further in areas where I am weak.> > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you could> > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn Vedic?> The> > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The> > stillness? Or more?> >> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm played> out> > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...> >> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from heaven> >> > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at peace -> > > All's well with me and the world!> >> >> > Debra> >> >> > , "morgana"> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-realization> > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life as> a> > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly> assisting> > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I am> > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and what a> > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years.> Doesn't> > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more like a> > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like you> are> > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit> too.> > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana> > > -> > > dqm51> > > > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM> > > Introduction> > >> > >> > > Hi Everyone,> > >> > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.> > >> > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now and> have> > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of> months.> > >> > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself have> > been> > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years. Although, I> must> > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would say> the> > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to put> two> > and> > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on studying> the> > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to> better> > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit> > interpetation> > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far it> has> > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in both> > systems> > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown and> > > interpetation.> > >> > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with others!> > >> > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation for> > self> > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and oneness> > through> > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign> > position of> > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as a> whole> > and> > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs> meanings. I> > have> > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating!> > >> > > Debra> > > 7/28/1951> > > Chicago, IL> > > 9:14am (standard time)> > > Lahiri 3* Virgo> > >> > >> > >

May 15, 2004

I'm glad you enjoyed it, Morgana. I just reread it and caught an amusing typo in the last paragraph: poetry writhing. That brings up a funny mental image, doesn't it?

.... Bettina

morgana [morganaspirit]Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: Introduction

Bettina, I enjoyed your story about beginning interest in astrology for you. Isn't it interesting to note the events that propel us in that direction, or any direction, or any path in life? Sometimes that is all it takes, just a little nudge, cheers, Morgana

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Bettina

Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:48 AM

RE: Re: Introduction

Dear Deb ...

I remember that yesterday you asked me how I first got interested in astrology. I can't find that letter (have to do some housekeeping), so I'm replying to it through this older one.

It was 1967 and my first son was a baby. You know how it is with a baby, esp if you don't know anyone in town (the town being San Francisco; I'd just moved there). You spend a lot of time at home with the kid and can get a little bored. Nowadays moms are more apt to work and have their babes in daycare, but that was a different era. Some friends of my husband (now my ex) visited from the east coast and they were into astr. They had few books with them. They weren't great at it, but good enough that I could see there was something to it. After that I spent several hours a day reading and pouring over charts. Before that I thought anyone who believed it it was silly. All I'd known about was the little daily things in the newspaper. I was hooked. The first book I had was Message of the Stars by Max Heindel. He was really stuffy and old fashioned and very moralistic and absolute. I recall one thing he said though, and that was that if a woman had a Sun/Nep cnj, her husband was likely to be an alcoholic. I laughed! A few years later it became apparent that my then husband had developed a real problem in that area. That was one reason for our divorce.

At about the age of 32 or 33 a met a woman who became my teacher and also a very dear friend. She was and is a Vedic astrologer. I've been using and studying Vedic ever since. I always consider myself to be a student and a learner. I don't know enough that I could consistently help people, and if you can't help people, you shouldn't charge $$$. That's my belief. I will never be a pro in this life, tho I've done a little writing. Anecdotal stuff.

Astr. and poetry writhing are my two great loves. They both keep me jazzed.

.... Bettina

dqm51 [dqm51]Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: IntroductionHi Bettina,Sure! The book that started it all:"Eastern Astrology for the Western Mind" by James Braha , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> Debra, do you mind if I ask what the name of the book was?> > > ... Bettina> > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM> > Re: Introduction> > > Morgana,> > I found your post interesting and wanted to share.> > I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally> introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour reading> (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a whole) My> soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe and> numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did> that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the book> she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course of> knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her> kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All she> did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own ship.> Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue to> communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an angel> who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have it> all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and have> people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of getting in> touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the answers> outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the> psychology and personality as a whole for characterization. Vedic,> for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of> oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.> > I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?> > Debra> > > > > > , "morgana"> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am> still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with a> gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked him,> on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified. I> feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much. I> have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not often> such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of my> years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not> there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning into> the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I do> like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It is> exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path taken> in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The work> we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally> things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers, Morgana> > -> > dqm51> > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM> > Re: Introduction> >> >> > Hi Morgana> >> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the> greetings> > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts. Your> > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and learn> > further in areas where I am weak.> > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you could> > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn Vedic?> The> > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The> > stillness? Or more?> >> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm played> out> > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...> >> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from heaven> >> > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at peace -> > > All's well with me and the world!> >> >> > Debra> >> >> > , "morgana"> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-realization> > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life as> a> > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly> assisting> > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I am> > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and what a> > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years.> Doesn't> > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more like a> > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like you> are> > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit> too.> > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana> > > -> > > dqm51> > > > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM> > > Introduction> > >> > >> > > Hi Everyone,> > >> > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.> > >> > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now and> have> > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of> months.> > >> > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself have> > been> > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years. Although, I> must> > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would say> the> > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to put> two> > and> > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on studying> the> > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to> better> > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit> > interpetation> > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far it> has> > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in both> > systems> > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown and> > > interpetation.> > >> > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with others!> > >> > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation for> > self> > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and oneness> > through> > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign> > position of> > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as a> whole> > and> > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs> meanings. I> > have> > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating!> > >> > > Debra> > > 7/28/1951> > > Chicago, IL> > > 9:14am (standard time)> > > Lahiri 3* Virgo> > >> > >> > >

May 15, 2004

I saw it and chuckled because isn't it the truth? no error or typo in reality, cheers, Morgana

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Bettina

Saturday, May 15, 2004 2:17 PM

RE: Re: Introduction

I'm glad you enjoyed it, Morgana. I just reread it and caught an amusing typo in the last paragraph: poetry writhing. That brings up a funny mental image, doesn't it?

.... Bettina

morgana [morganaspirit]Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: Introduction

Bettina, I enjoyed your story about beginning interest in astrology for you. Isn't it interesting to note the events that propel us in that direction, or any direction, or any path in life? Sometimes that is all it takes, just a little nudge, cheers, Morgana

-

Bettina

Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:48 AM

RE: Re: Introduction

Dear Deb ...

I remember that yesterday you asked me how I first got interested in astrology. I can't find that letter (have to do some housekeeping), so I'm replying to it through this older one.

It was 1967 and my first son was a baby. You know how it is with a baby, esp if you don't know anyone in town (the town being San Francisco; I'd just moved there). You spend a lot of time at home with the kid and can get a little bored. Nowadays moms are more apt to work and have their babes in daycare, but that was a different era. Some friends of my husband (now my ex) visited from the east coast and they were into astr. They had few books with them. They weren't great at it, but good enough that I could see there was something to it. After that I spent several hours a day reading and pouring over charts. Before that I thought anyone who believed it it was silly. All I'd known about was the little daily things in the newspaper. I was hooked. The first book I had was Message of the Stars by Max Heindel. He was really stuffy and old fashioned and very moralistic and absolute. I recall one thing he said though, and that was that if a woman had a Sun/Nep cnj, her husband was likely to be an alcoholic. I laughed! A few years later it became apparent that my then husband had developed a real problem in that area. That was one reason for our divorce.

At about the age of 32 or 33 a met a woman who became my teacher and also a very dear friend. She was and is a Vedic astrologer. I've been using and studying Vedic ever since. I always consider myself to be a student and a learner. I don't know enough that I could consistently help people, and if you can't help people, you shouldn't charge $$$. That's my belief. I will never be a pro in this life, tho I've done a little writing. Anecdotal stuff.

Astr. and poetry writhing are my two great loves. They both keep me jazzed.

.... Bettina

dqm51 [dqm51]Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: IntroductionHi Bettina,Sure! The book that started it all:"Eastern Astrology for the Western Mind" by James Braha , "Bettina" <chiria@n...> wrote:> Debra, do you mind if I ask what the name of the book was?> > > ... Bettina> > > > > dqm51 [dqm51@s...]> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM> > Re: Introduction> > > Morgana,> > I found your post interesting and wanted to share.> > I too was quite moved five years ago when I ws accidentally> introduced to a vedic astrologer. She gave me a one hour reading> (me not knowing anything and skeptical of astrologers as a whole) My> soul was touched too at a level I can not explain. I was in awe and> numb for quite a few days. Then I wanted to know HOW she did> that. It was her sage advice over the next few months and the book> she gave me about Vedic astrology that has led me on this course of> knowledge and application. She died shortly after. But, her> kindness, her patience and her belief in me. Her guidance. All she> did was give me a book and let me take off and sail my own ship.> Amazing. I wish she were alive today so that I could continue to> communicate with her. But, I felt at the time she was like an angel> who came to visit and show me the way. Our charts really have it> all there within us. Don't they?! Now, to spread the word and have> people realize and accept that it's (Astrology) a tool of getting in> touch with self and purpose instead of looking for all the answers> outside of ourselves. I aggree, Western Astrology for the> psychology and personality as a whole for characterization. Vedic,> for events, use of energy, spiritualty and a higher level of> oneness. For me Transformation, for others, I hope to help.> > I love your name. Is it a mythological Goddess name?> > Debra> > > > > > , "morgana"> <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > Hi Debra, Enthusiasm must be your 'middle' name, lol. I am> still kind of in a stunned but happy state after connecting with a> gifted and spiritual Jyotish astrologer over a question I asked him,> on another forum, so yes, my interest in Vedic has intensified. I> feel like he touched my soul and so I will not be writing much. I> have to go and meditate to appreciate the energy. Whew! Not often> such a thing happens to me! But I will add that during all of my> years of study in Western Astro, the prediction accuracy was not> there and that is where my true interest lies. I love tuning into> the energy of the chart and 'seeing' what comes next, although I do> like to look at the chart and see the beginning of it all. It is> exhilerating to see the story; to see the choices and the path taken> in that choice. So Vedic/Jyotish is amazing that way! The work> we do is so important though...the self-realization when finally> things start to click. Glad to meet you Debra, cheers, Morgana> > -> > dqm51> > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:24 PM> > Re: Introduction> >> >> > Hi Morgana> >> > Wow, your work and such - how interesting! Thanks for the> greetings> > and encouragement. I will look forward to all your posts. Your> > questions on Vedic too will help me apply what I know and learn> > further in areas where I am weak.> > 30 yrs. of Western! The psychology of it all! I bet you could> > teach me I thing or two. What made you want to learn Vedic?> The> > oneness of self realization through a higher conscious? The> > stillness? Or more?> >> > I Love music too. I find the precise mathematical rhythm played> out> > on an instrument to be the ultimate expression of awe...> >> > An Aria beautifully a tuned in voice - like an angel from heaven> >> > MUSIC - Soul level beautiful - Inspiring - lifting and at peace -> > > All's well with me and the world!> >> >> > Debra> >> >> > , "morgana"> > <morganaspirit@t...> wrote:> > > Hi Debra, Your form of meditation for your self-realization> > interests me since I am using the cube of space/tree of life as> a> > tool for the past few weeks and am finding this is greatly> assisting> > with my intensive psychotherapy group right now too. Also I am> > trying to open my mind to sidereal astrology/jyotish and what a> > challenge for me after studying western for over 30 years.> Doesn't> > help that I am so busy with other stuff too so it is more like a> > dabadoodle here and there at the moment. It sounds like you> are> > well into it backwards or not with your study of sanskrit> too.> > Nice to meet you here at this site, cheers, Morgana> > > -> > > dqm51> > > > > > Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:52 PM> > > Introduction> > >> > >> > > Hi Everyone,> > >> > > My posts have preceded my introduction to all of you.> > >> > > I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now and> have> > > been on Mark's daily transits newsletter for a couple of> months.> > >> > > I find it all so fascinating and informative. I myself have> > been> > > self- studying astrology for the past 5 years. Although, I> must> > > admit I have not been consistent in my aproach. I would say> the> > > last year I have had the time to read more and start to put> two> > and> > > two together. Prior to that I was concentrating on studying> the> > > Western psychology and delineation in English so as to> better> > > understand the sidereal calculation and its sanskrit> > interpetation> > > in Vedic. I know it is a backwards approach but so far it> has> > > worked for me. Also, I feel there is some relevance in both> > systems> > > and that has really intrigued me with chart breakdown and> > > interpetation.> > >> > > So, I am here to learn and share and converse with others!> > >> > > I am particularly interested in the topics of meditation for> > self> > > realization and for a higher level of consciouse and oneness> > through> > > the planets and its movements. Also, the house and sign> > position of> > > Moon in Taurus - its impact and relevance in a chart as a> whole> > and> > > individually. And Therese, your blending the signs> meanings. I> > have> > > done a lot of mythological sign reading. Fascinating!> > >> > > Debra> > > 7/28/1951> > > Chicago, IL> > > 9:14am (standard time)> > > Lahiri 3* Virgo> > >> > >> > >

June 18, 2004

At 11:56 PM 6/17/04 -0700, Ethan wrote:

>Hi,

> I'm ethan and I'm interested in learning more about the sidereal

astrology and how it affects us. That's it for a start.

Welcome to the sidereal list, Ethan! This list started with the idea of

popularizing western sidereal astrology, founded by Cyril Fagan. But

Jyotish has made such inroads into the western astrological tradition that

this list tends to be a grand mix now of Jyotish principles, controversy

over the different ayanamsas which mark the sidereal zodiac, and the

Fagan-Bradley school of astrology.

Blessings,

Therese

July 6, 2004

At 08:50 PM 7/5/04 -0700, Cal wrote:

>Hello everyone:

>

>My name is Cal Joyner

>

>I live in Alabama

>

>I am a student of astrology for many years.

>

>I look forward to learning more truth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Welcome to the list, Cal! Why not tell us something about your astrologial

background, and if you have used the sidereal zodiac? Or is the study of

sidereal new to you?

Sincerely,

Therese

November 10, 2004

Hello Sue,

Welcome to the sidereal astrology list. Although this list was meant to be

limited to western sidereal astrology (which is highly mathematical and

un-esoteric!), Jyotish is seeping in more and more, probably much to the

despair of traditional western sidereal astrologers.

So on this list we have (an unplanned) grand mixture. All the way from

precise mathematical ingress charts and 'progressed lunar and solar

returns' to the more esoteric such as the Jyotish lunar mansions and the

mythology of the constellations.

I myself am becoming more interested in the stars and constellations and

how they relate to mundane and person centered astrology. (more below)

At 09:12 PM 11/9/04 -0000, you wrote:

>There is such emphasis put on the rising sign and decan in esoteric

astrology

This was the emphasis of some Tropical astrologers, and the decans are used

in India, but in entirely different ways.

>and

>reference to the procession of the equinoxes altering calculations. I do

find my self

>wondering how to validate the changes in planetary signs and house

placements with

>most interpretive material and how to " validate " /rectify findings.

Basically you have to start all over again within a new framework. Without

working with actual horoscopes it's difficult to validate anything in

esoteric astrology.

>Too, I am curious as to whether more practitioners of sidereal astrology

are

>combining it with jyotish or some Vedic/western amalgam. What sort of house

>systems are you using?

Traditional western sidereal astrologers generally use the Campanus house

system, but the emphasis is usually on the chart angles. Jyotish

astrologers on this list will use sign-as-house, and I use a system which

puts the equal 30 degree cusps at the center of each house.

Jyotish concepts are becoming combined with traditional western sidereal

techniques. How this will all end, I can't say. However, a number of

sidereal astrologers on this list are staying strictly with the Fagan

school of astrology without any Jyotish mixed in.

Thanks for telling us about yourself, Sue.

Blessings,

Therese

November 10, 2004

Hello Sue,

I am Anne and pleased to meet you!

Like you I have an interest in Jyotish and western astrology. For years I have

been busy with tropical western and lately I have also been studying Jyotish and

sidereal astrology. I must say that there is a lot of overlap. To tell you the

truth as far as I know the difference between sidereal western astrology and the

tropical geocentric method is about 23 degrees according to the correct

astronomic observations. I haven't found any specific other difference, except

from the fact maybe that more sideralist are interested in studying,interpreting

constellations and fixed stars. But there are still a lot sideralists who don't

even use those. I have made a file here with some links to sidereal astrology

sites:

Among these I have mentioned an interesting thesis about polyzodiacal astrology.

it is quite complicated but unfortunately nobody here has read it.

Kind regards,

Anne

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westminstersue

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:12 PM

Introduction

Greetings.

I accidentally sent this to the moderator first then had my forward returned

since the

host " .com does not exist " .

I just joined this group to find out more about sidereal astrology. Although

not a

practitioner, I have been interested in astrology, particularly esoteric

astrology since

about 1980. I have amassed a fair number of books from noted astrological

authors

including early practitioners like Alan Leo and ME Jones to latter day such as

R. Hand

combined with Esoteric Astrology. I am generally rather discriminative about

what I

will pick up these days.

There is such emphasis put on the rising sign and decan in esoteric astrology

and

reference to the procession of the equinoxes altering calculations. I do find

my self

wondering how to validate the changes in planetary signs and house placements

with

most interpretive material and how to " validate " /rectify findings.

Too, I am curious as to whether more practitioners of sidereal astrology are

combining it with jyotish or some Vedic/western amalgam. What sort of house

systems are you using?

My astrology studies are mostly meditative in nature and utilized to hopefully

understand myself and my family or dear friends who ask. Now and then, I am

quite

intuitionally inspired, but I find that my motivation runs in cycles. I HAVE

to put it

away until I am moved again to take it up.

So, hello.

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Welcome Rishi,

I have had the good fortune of knowing your father through the forum -

and hope to have a good relationship with you too.

May the Goddess Bless You on this path

Ritu

, " flashprince2003 "

<flashprince2003> wrote:

>

> Respected Gurus and seniors,

> Sa'adar Pranaam.

>

> I am Rishi Prabhakar, son of a famous Lal Kitab astrologer and a

> research scholar Sh Yograj Prabhakar. I am a 2nd year student of

> B.tech (Computers) and a beginner of the Lal Kitab Astrology. At

> present I am involved in the translation/transliteration of various

> editions of Lal Kitabs with my father. I actually got interested in

> the subject of LK astrology during this very process.

>

> I am fortunate enough to have blessings and guidance of some of the

> most learned personalities of this field; prominent among those

> (along with my father) are:

>

> Sh. Kulbir Singh Bains Ji,

> Sh. Umesh Sharma Ji,

> Sh. Rajeev K.Khattar Ji and;

> Sh. MS Kondal Ji.

>

> It was actually Sh.Kulbir Singh Ji in the beginning, who encouraged

> me to learn the LK astrology and also to develop software of the

> same. I learned a lot from him and will remain always indebted and

> thankful to him. I am working both on software development and the

> translation work with my father.

>

> Once the translation/transliteration work is completed, the whole

> material shall be accessible to every LK enthusiast. I can assure

> you that this will be the most authentic

translation/transliteration

> work up till now. I need every senior's good wishes and ashirwad

> so

> that we are able to accomplish the mission (which is a dream of my

> father) successfully.

>

> Mujhe poori umeed hai ki mujh (Ketu) Ko ap sabhi Gurus (Jupiter) Ka

> ashirwad zaroor milega.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rishi Prabhakar.

January 2, 2005

You have the perfect moniker for entry. Welcome

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> I have just discovered and joined this group.

> my sun is in Aquarius and I have been interested in sidereal

> astrology for many years.

>

> Regards,

> Pinknoiz

>

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bastet1975 wrote:

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>Hi, I just joined today. While I have heard of sidereal astrology,

>I'm more familiar with traditional tropical astrology. Even with the

>latter, I haven't the depth of knowledge that I should have, in spite

>of having my chart done years ago. I'm a generalist rather than

>specialist in my thinking patterns, so I imagine it will take me

>longer to grasp the concepts presented here, but I will try.

>

------

>Donna:

>

Welcome to the group. It is very diverse bunch of astrologers, with

a lot of parring views and techniques. You should find this interesting.

Best Wishes,

Bert Fannin

Western Sidereal Astrologer

www.ltastrology.com

>

"

>

January 10, 2005

Hi Donna,

Welcome to the sidereal group! We have a lot of variety here including some

Jyotish/Vedic astrology and some mathematics that can be incomprehensible

to some. Please check out the zodiac articles on the link below. These

articles may help to minimize confusion over the Tropical and sidereal

zodiacs.

http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm

At 12:15 AM 1/10/05 -0000, Donna wrote:

>

>Hi, I just joined today. While I have heard of sidereal astrology,

>I'm more familiar with traditional tropical astrology. Even with the

>latter, I haven't the depth of knowledge that I should have, in spite

>of having my chart done years ago. I'm a generalist rather than

>specialist in my thinking patterns, so I imagine it will take me

>longer to grasp the concepts presented here, but I will try.

January 24, 2005

welcome shri bhusan ji

i ask the guru to see if a right upaya could help you

to get good time in business

mr jagmeet dheensa has not replied yet

but i will meet him one day

rajinder

--- bush417 <bush417 wrote:

>

> Dear friends and Lalkitab gurus:

>

> I want to introduce myself as a new member of

> Lalkitab.

>

> Bhushan

>

The all-new My - What will yours do?

March 17, 2005

welcome JAY NAHATA ji,

hi my name is Nishant, i have been practising all sytems of astrology

(except KP) for over 4 yrs now,and an active member of this

group ,but u wrote that ur study is of 7 yrs,gr8 we'll be glad to

learn something valuable from u.

meanwhile u plz help me on following chart--

DOB-- 26/11/1981

TOB--- 16:08

POB-- AJMER,india

the native is genius, but very unlucky, is having breaks in

education,no career ,no wealth, has done all suggested remedies by

good astrologers..will he able to have a sound profession,will he

evry go abroad, wht abt his higher education .. can u suggest some

remedies.

LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING GR8 TIMES AHEAD WITH U.

sincerely,

NISHANT

lalkitab , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:

> Dear Punit and friends,

> First of all let me introduce myself to all of you. I am Jay and

practicing this science for last 7 years and have gone through all

the available systems as i have research bent of mind. And I should

confess God has been graceful over me.

> I have joined this group to share my experiences as well learn from

all of you as everybody got something to teach.

> I will be glad to share experiences and observations of mine that I

have gained through constant experimentation and analysis. And I will

request all the learned people to correct me whenever I am wrong for

which I will be thankful.

> With hope of a wonderful journey ahead ! ! !

>

> Jay.

>

March 18, 2005

Dear Nishant,

Thank you so much for such a warm welcome !

Regarding learning thing I am always a learner and will feel glad to share anything worth with everybody.

Secondly you will have to pardon me for the chart reading as my software has gone corrupt and i cant create chart. Please send me the chart. I will be thankful to all of you for this favour.

Yes I am very sure we gonna have wonderful journey of knowledge ahead and will refine principles to make it more accurate and acceptable.

In fact I have just posted my first posting as reply to Mr.Goswami and I would like you to have a look at that and send me your feedback. Please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.

Thanks again for welcoming me !

Regards

Jay. "Nishant A.S." <nishant_aryan wrote:

welcome JAY NAHATA ji,hi my name is Nishant, i have been practising all sytems of astrology(except KP) for over 4 yrs now,and an active member of this group ,but u wrote that ur study is of 7 yrs,gr8 we'll be glad to learn something valuable from u.meanwhile u plz help me on following chart--DOB-- 26/11/1981TOB--- 16:08POB-- AJMER,indiathe native is genius, but very unlucky, is having breaks in education,no career ,no wealth, has done all suggested remedies by good astrologers..will he able to have a sound profession,will he evry go abroad, wht abt his higher education .. can u suggest some remedies.LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING GR8 TIMES AHEAD WITH U.sincerely, NISHANTlalkitab , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:> Dear

Punit and friends,> First of all let me introduce myself to all of you. I am Jay and practicing this science for last 7 years and have gone through all the available systems as i have research bent of mind. And I should confess God has been graceful over me.> I have joined this group to share my experiences as well learn from all of you as everybody got something to teach.> I will be glad to share experiences and observations of mine that I have gained through constant experimentation and analysis. And I will request all the learned people to correct me whenever I am wrong for which I will be thankful.> With hope of a wonderful journey ahead ! ! !> > Jay.> > > > >

March 18, 2005

hello jay ji, i have gone thru ur letter abt vivek goswami, i will

analyse his chart and then we can furthur discuss on finer points,

meanwhile as abt that chart i'm sending it to u, plz go thru it and

suggest solutions.

DOB-- 26/11/1981

TOB--- 16:08

POB--AJMER,INDIA

LATITUDE---26N27'00

LONGITUDE---74E38'00

PLANET SIGN Degree NAKSHATRA

Asc Aries 15:37:46 Bharani

Sun Scorpio 10:29:25 Anuradha

MonDC Scorpio 08:41:01 Anuradha

Mar Leo 26:39:04 Poorva Phalguni

MerC Scorpio 02:34:16 Vishkha

Jup Libra 06:16:17 Chitra

Ven Sagittarius 26:35:51 Poorvashadha

Sat Virgo 25:06:48 Chitra

Rah Gemini 29:51:39 Punarvasa

Ket Sagittarius 29:51:39 Uttarashadha

DASHA-- BUDH-RAHU-MARS.

the native is a genius, hardworking ,but very unlucky, had many

breaks in education after 12th, struggles began after 1995,no

profession till now,is now very depressed, and attempted suicide

twice.also had some psycological probelms.

will he be ever happy and succesful in future?

wht abt his profession , is there any chance of foreign travel.

SINCERELY,

NISHANT

lalkitab , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:

> Dear Nishant,

>

> Thank you so much for such a warm welcome !

>

> Regarding learning thing I am always a learner and will feel glad

to share anything worth with everybody.

> Secondly you will have to pardon me for the chart reading as my

software has gone corrupt and i cant create chart. Please send me the

chart. I will be thankful to all of you for this favour.

> Yes I am very sure we gonna have wonderful journey of knowledge

ahead and will refine principles to make it more accurate and

acceptable.

> In fact I have just posted my first posting as reply to Mr.Goswami

and I would like you to have a look at that and send me your

feedback. Please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.

> Thanks again for welcoming me !

>

> Regards

>

> Jay.

>

> " Nishant A.S. " <nishant_aryan> wrote:

>

> welcome JAY NAHATA ji,

>

> hi my name is Nishant, i have been practising all sytems of

astrology

> (except KP) for over 4 yrs now,and an active member of this

> group ,but u wrote that ur study is of 7 yrs,gr8 we'll be glad to

> learn something valuable from u.

>

> meanwhile u plz help me on following chart--

>

> DOB-- 26/11/1981

> TOB--- 16:08

> POB-- AJMER,india

>

> the native is genius, but very unlucky, is having breaks in

> education,no career ,no wealth, has done all suggested remedies by

> good astrologers..will he able to have a sound profession,will he

> evry go abroad, wht abt his higher education .. can u suggest some

> remedies.

>

> LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING GR8 TIMES AHEAD WITH U.

> sincerely,

>

> NISHANT

>

> lalkitab , Jay Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:

> > Dear Punit and friends,

> > First of all let me introduce myself to all of you. I am Jay and

> practicing this science for last 7 years and have gone through all

> the available systems as i have research bent of mind. And I should

> confess God has been graceful over me.

> > I have joined this group to share my experiences as well learn

from

> all of you as everybody got something to teach.

> > I will be glad to share experiences and observations of mine that

I

> have gained through constant experimentation and analysis. And I

will

> request all the learned people to correct me whenever I am wrong

for

> which I will be thankful.

> > With hope of a wonderful journey ahead ! ! !

> >

> > Jay.

> >

>

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