Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever felt a sense of peace, and an easing of all the negativity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think bob is like the incarnation of kali. with the sword in his hand he is always swinging to chop some heads off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The others he's swinging at, he doesn't even know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. it seems something like one walking into a glass/china shop with their arms swinging everywhere, pinwheeling around blindly, knocking dishes and glasses off shelves, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the china and glass being one's own, unknowingly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's self-destructive behaviour, if one realizes that both self and other arise from the same Source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And of course, at the same time, just words -- nothing real ever being touched at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you see timmy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > if that was real to you.. > > > > > > > > > > > > you'd cut the whining and crying. > > > > > > > > > > Funny -- it seems here I've been speaking quite sanely/rationally, and haven't complained about a thing. > > > > > > > > > > I guess it depends what " I " is *really* involved, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > Go ahead and whine/cry about whining/crying that isn't even happening with the other. > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to watch the projector throw pictures onto a screen, while the screen is taken as reality instead of the projector. > > > > > > > > > > > > what projector? > > > > > > The one making Bob see things that aren't there, and miss things that are. > > > > > > there's nothing to see. > > > > there's no one to see anything. > > > > what do you think is being missed? > > For starters, the fact that Bob has never seen anything that isn't " himself " . > > Every word Bob has ever thought or uttered about others is self-referent. for " starters " ???!!! hahahahahahahahaaaaa! that's why i love you little kids. you're so nutzoid. and here you go again telling me how much you know about me. and how it is that you have been given the Insight and Power. LOL! you DO live in that Mickey Mouse movie timmytot. is dabbo your pal Pluto? you're both pretty spacey for sure. :-) feel free to have another brew timmy. it's ok no matter how young and stupid you seem. i'm sure you're physically old and ugly enough to drink legally. i've seen your picture on your profile. AMAZING! i mean for the " AWARENESS " you claim to be.. to feel so compelled... and so prideful.. as to think it important to post a picture of yourself.. smiling too..oh so cute! you are really a riot. love ya lots kiddo. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever felt a sense of peace, and an easing of all the negativity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think bob is like the incarnation of kali. with the sword in his hand he is always swinging to chop some heads off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The others he's swinging at, he doesn't even know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. it seems something like one walking into a glass/china shop with their arms swinging everywhere, pinwheeling around blindly, knocking dishes and glasses off shelves, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the china and glass being one's own, unknowingly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's self-destructive behaviour, if one realizes that both self and other arise from the same Source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And of course, at the same time, just words -- nothing real ever being touched at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you see timmy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if that was real to you.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you'd cut the whining and crying. > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny -- it seems here I've been speaking quite sanely/rationally, and haven't complained about a thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it depends what " I " is *really* involved, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > Go ahead and whine/cry about whining/crying that isn't even happening with the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to watch the projector throw pictures onto a screen, while the screen is taken as reality instead of the projector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what projector? > > > > > > > > The one making Bob see things that aren't there, and miss things that are. > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to see. > > > > > > there's no one to see anything. > > > > > > what do you think is being missed? > > > > For starters, the fact that Bob has never seen anything that isn't " himself " . > > > > Every word Bob has ever thought or uttered about others is self-referent. > > > for " starters " ???!!! > > hahahahahahahahaaaaa! > > that's why i love you little kids. > > you're so nutzoid. Haven't ya noticed that your childish flames have absolutely no effect here? Probably not -- I would imagine you're dreaming they hurt, or sumthin'. They have zero effect, because the truth is known -- that " self " and " other " are the same movement. They co-arise. What one sees 'in the other' is one's own thoughts, as that is all that's available. And so everything Bob thinks about Tim is a dream. No one is in contact with any 'other'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever felt a sense of peace, and an easing of all the negativity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think bob is like the incarnation of kali. with the sword in his hand he is always swinging to chop some heads off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The others he's swinging at, he doesn't even know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. it seems something like one walking into a glass/china shop with their arms swinging everywhere, pinwheeling around blindly, knocking dishes and glasses off shelves, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the china and glass being one's own, unknowingly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's self-destructive behaviour, if one realizes that both self and other arise from the same Source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And of course, at the same time, just words -- nothing real ever being touched at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you see timmy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if that was real to you.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you'd cut the whining and crying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny -- it seems here I've been speaking quite sanely/rationally, and haven't complained about a thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it depends what " I " is *really* involved, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go ahead and whine/cry about whining/crying that isn't even happening with the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to watch the projector throw pictures onto a screen, while the screen is taken as reality instead of the projector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what projector? > > > > > > > > > > The one making Bob see things that aren't there, and miss things that are. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to see. > > > > > > > > there's no one to see anything. > > > > > > > > what do you think is being missed? > > > > > > For starters, the fact that Bob has never seen anything that isn't " himself " . > > > > > > Every word Bob has ever thought or uttered about others is self-referent. > > > > > > for " starters " ???!!! > > > > hahahahahahahahaaaaa! > > > > that's why i love you little kids. > > > > you're so nutzoid. > > Haven't ya noticed that your childish flames have absolutely no effect here? > > Probably not -- I would imagine you're dreaming they hurt, or sumthin'. > > They have zero effect, because the truth is known -- that " self " and " other " are the same movement. They co-arise. > > What one sees 'in the other' is one's own thoughts, as that is all that's available. > > And so everything Bob thinks about Tim is a dream. > > No one is in contact with any 'other'. you think baba is trying to be " effective " LOL! now you're being as dense as geo. " hey Hur..C'mon man!..isn't it time to get rid of Bob? " .. " he's so ineffective. " riiiiight timmy. hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa! ..b b.b. p.s. are you up and down all the time? LOL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 What one sees 'in the other' is one's own thoughts, as that is all that's available. And so everything Bob thinks about Tim is a dream. No one is in contact with any 'other'. -tim- OK, here is what I have to say about this. Actually yes, the words I see on the screen or hear through my ears are all " here " and nowhere else. True. But.... there is a chain, a string that units those words that make those words convey a certain meaning. That string, that meaning that those words carry are NOT issuing in this particular brain but in another body/mind that is not " geo's " . It is that meaning that makes me understand that there are other body/minds behind the words I read. So.. not ALL that one sees in words are one's own thoughts. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > OK, here is what I have to say about this. Actually yes, the words I see on > > the screen or hear through > > my ears are all " here " and nowhere else. True. But.... there is a chain, a > > string that units those words that > > make those words convey a certain meaning. > > Yes, and the meaning is " one's own " . > > True, that everyone connotes similar meanings to words (which is how we manage to communicate) -- but by no means identical. > > One is never in contact with 'someone else's' words. > > They are truly one's own. > > The only reason we can seemingly communicate is because another's " one's own " is similar to the reader's. c'mon Hur! timmy's being totally ineffective. can we get rid of him? i'm somehow not moved by his words. they're not similar to mine at all. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What one sees 'in the other' is one's own thoughts, as that is all that's > available. > > And so everything Bob thinks about Tim is a dream. > > No one is in contact with any 'other'. > -tim- > > OK, here is what I have to say about this. Actually yes, the words I see on > the screen or hear through > my ears are all " here " and nowhere else. True. But.... there is a chain, a > string that units those words that > make those words convey a certain meaning. That string, that meaning that > those words carry are NOT > issuing in this particular brain but in another body/mind that is not > " geo's " . P.S. it's actually irrelevant where the words " issue from " . Reading is purely a matter of interpretation by the reader. These words could as well have " issued from " a computer program -- and if one didn't know, one would interpret it as coming from another person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > OK, here is what I have to say about this. Actually yes, the words I see on > > the screen or hear through > > my ears are all " here " and nowhere else. True. But.... there is a chain, a > > string that units those words that > > make those words convey a certain meaning. > > Yes, and the meaning is " one's own " . > > True, that everyone connotes similar meanings to words (which is how we manage to communicate) -- but by no means identical. > > One is never in contact with 'someone else's' words. > > They are truly one's own. > > The only reason we can seemingly communicate is because another's " one's own " is similar to the reader's. > BTW, if you disagree that reading is purely a matter of interpretation, penso che siate errato. È evidente qui che le parole sono puramente un aspetto dell'interpretazione. Se non fossero, quindi stavate capendo facilmente che cosa sto dicendo qui -- ma sono un aspetto dell'interpretazione. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:27 PM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What one sees 'in the other' is one's own thoughts, as that is all that's > available. > > And so everything Bob thinks about Tim is a dream. > > No one is in contact with any 'other'. > -tim- > > OK, here is what I have to say about this. Actually yes, the words I see > on > the screen or hear through > my ears are all " here " and nowhere else. True. But.... there is a chain, a > string that units those words that > make those words convey a certain meaning. That string, that meaning that > those words carry are NOT > issuing in this particular brain but in another body/mind that is not > " geo's " . P.S. it's actually irrelevant where the words " issue from " . Reading is purely a matter of interpretation by the reader. These words could as well have " issued from " a computer program -- and if one didn't know, one would interpret it as coming from another person. -tim- I does not matter if it is another person or a computer, jsut that it is not from this brain here. If I read the following words: " I am absolutely sure that 2+2=354 " , the source of such idea is not geo's brain. Or if I read: " I am absolutely sure that I live inside my body " . I can tell that the string that united those words are coming from a source that is not this brain here. Just as when I see " people " walking in the streets I know there are other body/minds that are not this one here. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:27 PM > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > What one sees 'in the other' is one's own thoughts, as that is all that's > > available. > > > > And so everything Bob thinks about Tim is a dream. > > > > No one is in contact with any 'other'. > > -tim- > > > > OK, here is what I have to say about this. Actually yes, the words I see > > on > > the screen or hear through > > my ears are all " here " and nowhere else. True. But.... there is a chain, a > > string that units those words that > > make those words convey a certain meaning. That string, that meaning that > > those words carry are NOT > > issuing in this particular brain but in another body/mind that is not > > " geo's " . > > P.S. it's actually irrelevant where the words " issue from " . > > Reading is purely a matter of interpretation by the reader. > > These words could as well have " issued from " a computer program -- and if > one didn't know, one would interpret it as coming from another person. > -tim- > > I does not matter if it is another person or a computer, jsut that it is not > from this brain here. That isn't relevant to the fact that it is registering in " this brain here " , being interpreted by " this brain here " and the response is arising in " this brain here " (awareness, to be more accurate). Self/other co-arise *here*, not in two places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 - geo Nisargadatta Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:44 PM Re: Re: today's Nisargadatta - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:27 PM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What one sees 'in the other' is one's own thoughts, as that is all that's > available. > > And so everything Bob thinks about Tim is a dream. > > No one is in contact with any 'other'. > -tim- > > OK, here is what I have to say about this. Actually yes, the words I see > on > the screen or hear through > my ears are all " here " and nowhere else. True. But.... there is a chain, a > string that units those words that > make those words convey a certain meaning. That string, that meaning that > those words carry are NOT > issuing in this particular brain but in another body/mind that is not > " geo's " . P.S. it's actually irrelevant where the words " issue from " . Reading is purely a matter of interpretation by the reader. These words could as well have " issued from " a computer program -- and if one didn't know, one would interpret it as coming from another person. -tim- I does not matter if it is another person or a computer, jsut that it is not from this brain here. If I read the following words: " I am absolutely sure that 2+2=354 " , the source of such idea is not geo's brain. Or if I read: " I am absolutely sure that I live inside my body " . I can tell that the string that united those words are coming from a source that is not this brain here. Just as when I see " people " walking in the streets I know there are other body/minds that are not this one here. PS - Are you saying there are no other body/minds? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > PS - Are you saying there are no other body/minds? > -geo- > No. I'm saying that self/other co-arise *here*. " Here " being wherever words happen to arise in awareness. Like I said before, one ought to find out what " no other " really signifies, rather than assuming some absolute meaning like " there are no other body/minds " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > PS - Are you saying there are no other body/minds? > > -geo- > > > > No. > > I'm saying that self/other co-arise *here*. > > " Here " being wherever words happen to arise in awareness. > > Like I said before, one ought to find out what " no other " really signifies, rather than assuming some absolute meaning like " there are no other body/minds " . yes. although i think i'm all here and timmy is all there.. i am wrong in thinking this. after reading timmy's ideas. i KNOW he's not all there at all. and what he says has no meaning absolutely. could it be the booze he needs and abuses? like i said before.. one really doesn't give a crap. he's just fun to have around. (here or there). he's a nutty little whippersnapper and i enjoy him.. almost as much as i pity him. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 4, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:02 PM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > PS - Are you saying there are no other body/minds? > -geo- > No. I'm saying that self/other co-arise *here*. " Here " being wherever words happen to arise in awareness. Like I said before, one ought to find out what " no other " really signifies, rather than assuming some absolute meaning like " there are no other body/minds " . -tim- So, there is a string of meaning that units words that issue in another body/mind. All perceivable evidences of such other - I agree - are here. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
