Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > -Lene > > > > Hi, Lene... > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > trying > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > emanating > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > intention > > > > of > > > > manifesting. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend > > > for > > > one to happen. > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite in > > > all > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > -geo- > > > > I did. > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > -dan- > > > > Nonsense. Dans intelligence, cleverness, or geos or anyones is just a > > limited aspect of unlimited intelligence, cleverness (whatever that is) > > -geo- > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > can't > > grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have no > > value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > - D - > > > > That is too complicated... and too much filled with cleverness. > > -geo- > > Geo - > > There isn't any " depth " to ponder. > > There isn't any intention to grasp. > > Simple enough? > > - Dan - > > Yes. That is simple. I desagree. Specially to the absurdity " there isn't any > " depth " to ponder " . > You are very simply and clearly blind-pissed off. :>) > -geo- Heya Mind is eternity Eternity is mind Whatever happens is intended By noone It is just intended And the intended is carried out or not There is no I that can intend something There is no absolute that can intend something Intention is that to the mind-game Which sets the game rolling Intention is that to the mind-game Which sets the game on mute Since mind is eternity Wide open space Limited space All space No space There is no birth There is no death This is not known It is a FEEL A unfathomable ecstatic dizzy whirling FEEL Be happy - there is nothing to worry about - life will go on forever and ever and ever - so lean back or go fish; do what you will; it makes a difference to the limited mind ah, yes; the unlimited mind don't give a shit. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > -Lene > > > > Hi, Lene... > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. Mind is all there is The tree The table The jam The marmalade The professor and his underwear The cleaning lady and her loverboy And all of their intentions And all of their actions Mind is a word - ONE word that covers it all Therefore I use the word mind It is not a thing per se It is everything per se Hey hey -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > trying > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > emanating > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > intention > > > > of > > > > manifesting. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend > > > for > > > one to happen. > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite in > > > all > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > -geo- > > > > I did. > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > -dan- > > > > Nonsense. Dans intelligence, cleverness, or geos or anyones is just a > > limited aspect of unlimited intelligence, cleverness (whatever that is) > > -geo- > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > can't > > grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have no > > value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > - D - > > > > That is too complicated. .. and too much filled with cleverness. > > -geo- > > Geo - > > There isn't any " depth " to ponder. > > There isn't any intention to grasp. > > Simple enough? > > - Dan - > > Yes. That is simple. I desagree. Specially to the absurdity " there isn't any > " depth " to ponder " . > You are very simply and clearly blind-pissed off. :>) > -geo- Heya Mind is eternity Eternity is mind Whatever happens is intended By noone It is just intended And the intended is carried out or not There is no I that can intend something There is no absolute that can intend something Intention is that to the mind-game Which sets the game rolling Intention is that to the mind-game Which sets the game on mute Since mind is eternity Wide open space Limited space All space No space There is no birth There is no death This is not known It is a FEEL A unfathomable ecstatic dizzy whirling FEEL Be happy - there is nothing to worry about - life will go on forever and ever and ever - so lean back or go fish; do what you will; it makes a difference to the limited mind ah, yes; the unlimited mind don't give a shit. -Lene ....said the (un)limited mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > -Lene > > > > Hi, Lene... > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. no timmy.. the mind is that f*cked up thing.. that is asking those stupid questions.. about where it's " I " should supposedly look for it. it's a myth that you don't think ypu have a mind. if that were true.. you wouldn't ponder such stupid questions.. nor make proclamations about there being no such thing. have you been paging through those old bullshit zen comics again? imitation is not the real deal kid. but it is amusing for sure. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . LOL! a " noun " ????? you go about classifying and categorizing " words " .. and then go on try to convince that there is no " mind " . oh hahahahhaaaaaaaa! that's some piece of work there timmy..and so are you. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . LOL Tim Tim turn around and look back at what you said I happen to be a professorin absolutely nothing of which language is one of the most significant " Mind " and " mens " is the same. " Mental " (adj) & " mentally " (adv) is to do with " mens " (Latin) which is " mind " in English. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . LOL Tim Tim turn around and look back at what you said I happen to be a professorin absolutely nothing of which language is one of the most significant " Mind " and " mens " is the same. " Mental " (adj) & " mentally " (adv) is to do with " mens " (Latin) which is " mind " in English. -Lene body, mind and soul... when all are nicely swinging together.... then there is nothing but...and exclusively....Nothing! anymore else.... or/and....Nothing at all .... the world....just like all other appearences.....Somebody is acting & reacting on....is due to some mind fiction....limited by time & space .... so far....few mind fictions.... .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > LOL > > Tim Tim turn around > and look back at what you said > > I happen to be a professorin absolutely nothing > of which language is one of the most significant > > " Mind " and " mens " is the same. > > " Mental " (adj) & " mentally " (adv) is to do with > " mens " (Latin) which is " mind " in English. > > -Lene > > > body, mind and soul... > > when all are nicely swinging together.... Nah - body, mind and soul - is one - and it is all mindstuff. Body is not made of concrete -- body is mindstuff. Soul? Whats soul? I prefer rock-and-roll or the blues meself. Soul is an idea, like the idea that the body and the tree and the house and the roof on the house, is solid substance, like the idea that there must be, gotta be - a CULPRIT, someone or -body or -thingy to blame for everything, something, be it an absolute or what, that we can take to the gallows for it must hang for it has done a terrible job - especially its creation of socalled good people - for they are the worst. We seem to think there is a difference & we so want for there to be a difference between solid stuff and mental nonsense or makesense, whatever, but there is no such difference. And hopla! Your wish, my command! says the spirit of the lamp and there IS a difference. That is - more or less, give and take - how it is with that As for what you wrote below - wobble, wobble, little bubble Love Lene > then there is nothing but...and exclusively....Nothing! anymore else.... > > or/and....Nothing at all > > ... > > the world....just like all other appearences.....Somebody is acting & reacting on....is due to some mind fiction....limited by time & space > > ... > > so far....few mind fictions.... > > ... > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 body, mind and soul... > > when all are nicely swinging together.... Nah - body, mind and soul - is one - and it is all mindstuff. Body is not made of concrete -- body is mindstuff. Soul? Whats soul? I prefer rock-and-roll or the blues meself. soul is what isn't limited by time and space.... Mind only works through body....through a Somebody acting/reacting....more or less like a fool.....on the appearent world....means on him/herself Consciousness is the guide through/in such ocean of illusions.... Searching for peace....without end....and without knowing about... and/or LOL ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:14 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > -geo- > > You think death is boring? > > Nope. > > - D - > > It is what then? > -geo- it is to die. - D - OOHHHhhh......I can see the light. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > -geo- > > You think death is boring? > > Nope. > > - D - > > It is what then? > -geo- > Seems like a very silly question, from here. Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). Without the living being, all is just new. Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is completely new, with each letter. -tim- That is what was implied in the word " marvelous " , I used - but dan did not like it. That was the beguining of the thread...And what a thread!!! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:44 AM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > And yet - be there > > Mind is all there is > > -Lene > Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. -tim- Very smart!! No mind...but perhaps conscoiusness...or awareness. Those later ones are really identical to it. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > -Lene > > > > Hi, Lene... > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . -tim- No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell us its REAL name. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it's not...it's not death. > > > > > > > > > > it's false beliefs and fancy notions. > > > > > > > > > > afterward there's neither boredom nor it's opposite. > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > death is not boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but from this end of the game.. > > > > > > > > > > if you aren't bored with death..the one sure thing.. > > > > > > > > > > you're fooling yourself or trying to fool someone else. > > > > > > > > > > it's no big deal. > > > > > > > > > > it's not mystical. > > > > > > > > > > it's not important. > > > > > > > > > > it's unmistakable and inescapable. > > > > > > > > > > how boring. > > > > > > > > > > unless you want to sound profound of course. > > > > > > > > > > then you can believe it and yourself to be: > > > > > > > > > > a big deal..mystical..important...unmistakable..inescapable. > > > > > > > > > > but that's ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > most people will seek the first escape from you they can... > > > > > > > > > > just because you are just as boring as death... > > > > > > > > > > but you won't shut up. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > death is death. > > > > > > > > regardless of anything said here. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not about me. > > > > > > > > it's not about you. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > well what the hell is it about? > > > > > > if it's NOT about you.. > > > > > > why do you find it NOT boring. > > > > > > are you saying that you just enjoy being a voyeur? > > > > > > give it a rest dabbo. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " give it a rest? " > > > > that's your advice to someone else? > > > uh..yup. > > is that hard for you to figure out? > > or to " personally " take? > > that figures either way. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. It's not hard to figure out. It just strikes me as funny that someone who can't give it a rest, is giving that advice. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and that > > > > > there > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there even an > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness that > > > > > has > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > -- > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > illusion > > > > > is > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is not > > > > > some > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as the > > > > > sense > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention of > > > > > the > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > permeates > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether there > > > > is > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is absolute? > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time trying > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > emanating > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The intention > > > > of > > > > manifesting. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend for > > > one to happen. > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite in all > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > -geo- > > > > I did. > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > --------------------- > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > And yet - be there > > Mind is all there is > > -Lene There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. Never has been, never will be. It's an imaginary reference point. Mind what I say! - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > no timmy.. > > the mind is that f*cked up thing.. > > that is asking those stupid questions.. > > about where it's " I " should supposedly look for it. > > it's a myth that you don't think ypu have a mind. > > if that were true.. > > you wouldn't ponder such stupid questions.. > > nor make proclamations about there being no such thing. > > have you been paging through those old bullshit zen comics again? > > imitation is not the real deal kid. > > but it is amusing for sure. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. You can spend a lot of time thinking about what a mind is or isn't. Lots to expound on there. LOL. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > LOL > > Tim Tim turn around > and look back at what you said > > I happen to be a professorin absolutely nothing > of which language is one of the most significant > > " Mind " and " mens " is the same. > > " Mental " (adj) & " mentally " (adv) is to do with > " mens " (Latin) which is " mind " in English. > > -Lene You can say it's Mind or Nothing or whatever you want. Who cares? So, tell the truth, Lene. What is it really? Mental, physical, spiritual, everything, nothing. Let's really get the final definition of what is, so we all know what we're talking about ... - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > -geo- > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > Nope. > > > > - D - > > > > It is what then? > > -geo- > > > > Seems like a very silly question, from here. > > Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). > > Without the living being, all is just new. > > Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is completely > new, with each letter. > -tim- > > That is what was implied in the word " marvelous " , I used - but dan did not > like it. That was the beguining of the thread...And what a thread!!! > -geo- What a thread it was. What a week it was. What a year it was. What a life it was. It was, it was, it was. Smiles, Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:14 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > -geo- > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > Nope. > > > > - D - > > > > It is what then? > > -geo- > > it is to die. > > - D - > > OOHHHhhh......I can see the light. > -geo- You are what you see. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it's not...it's not death. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's false beliefs and fancy notions. > > > > > > > > > > > > afterward there's neither boredom nor it's opposite. > > > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > death is not boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but from this end of the game.. > > > > > > > > > > > > if you aren't bored with death..the one sure thing.. > > > > > > > > > > > > you're fooling yourself or trying to fool someone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's no big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not mystical. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not important. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's unmistakable and inescapable. > > > > > > > > > > > > how boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > unless you want to sound profound of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > then you can believe it and yourself to be: > > > > > > > > > > > > a big deal..mystical..important...unmistakable..inescapable. > > > > > > > > > > > > but that's ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > most people will seek the first escape from you they can... > > > > > > > > > > > > just because you are just as boring as death... > > > > > > > > > > > > but you won't shut up. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death is death. > > > > > > > > > > regardless of anything said here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not about me. > > > > > > > > > > it's not about you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > well what the hell is it about? > > > > > > > > if it's NOT about you.. > > > > > > > > why do you find it NOT boring. > > > > > > > > are you saying that you just enjoy being a voyeur? > > > > > > > > give it a rest dabbo. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > " give it a rest? " > > > > > > that's your advice to someone else? > > > > > > uh..yup. > > > > is that hard for you to figure out? > > > > or to " personally " take? > > > > that figures either way. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > It's not hard to figure out. > > It just strikes me as funny that someone who can't give it a rest, is giving that advice. > > - D - dabbo you're a sick little puppy. baba wasn't saying give all your bullshit a rest. baba was saying to give the DUMB bullshit like: " it's not about me..or you " .. well dabbo.. it's ONLY about you and me kiddo. and then also: " death is death " well no shit Dick Tracy! and " regardless of what anyone says " ???? what the hell are you trying to communicate with that crap? look kid...and i'm saying the obvious here.. obviously it IS hard " to get " ...for you. it's the dumb ass bullshit dabbo.. NOT the number of bullshit posts that you post. are you becoming fixated on counting like mikey? you're doing a swell job today already racking up the numbers. i like that. those numb-skull posts give me more to laugh at. i enjoy the laughter. who wouldn't? but when you start being stupid.. it's hard to laugh. because i know you won't understand and then you will think.. that you are being abused. it's better if you say something at least half way intelligent.. and not just something stupid. then we both can enjoy how you've screwed up again.. and again and again and again. anyway dabbo.. keep'em rollin' in. we can all enjoy the laughs. but that stupidity thing... give it a rest. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and > > > > > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there > > > > > > even an > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness > > > > > > that > > > > > > has > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > is > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is > > > > > > not > > > > > > some > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention > > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether > > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > > trying > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > > emanating > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > intention > > > > > of > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend > > > > for > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite > > > > in all > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > -Lene > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > Never has been, never will be. > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > Mind what I say! > > - D - > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are really > more identical to IT. > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the word > that is better then mind? > -geo- Saliva. Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. Wake up! - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and that > > > > > > there > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there even an > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness that > > > > > > has > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > is > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is not > > > > > > some > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention of > > > > > > the > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether there > > > > > is > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is absolute? > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time trying > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > > emanating > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The intention > > > > > of > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend for > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite in all > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > -Lene > > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > Never has been, never will be. > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > Mind what I say! > > - D - that there is no mind stuff is so easy to believe in your case. i bet your right as far as it goes. but it stops at the border of your ears and nose and hair. there are real people with real brains and minds out there dabbo. yes.. " out there " .. no..i don't expect you to believe me nor to be able to understand. it's that mindless situation of yours. it's almost a no-brainer. but if it was..you could " get it " . some brains and a bit of mind are required. so just forget about it. relax. think of the mind as Santa Claus and tell Virginia you were right. oh so right... and she like everyone else is oh so wrong! ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > no timmy.. > > > > the mind is that f*cked up thing.. > > > > that is asking those stupid questions.. > > > > about where it's " I " should supposedly look for it. > > > > it's a myth that you don't think ypu have a mind. > > > > if that were true.. > > > > you wouldn't ponder such stupid questions.. > > > > nor make proclamations about there being no such thing. > > > > have you been paging through those old bullshit zen comics again? > > > > imitation is not the real deal kid. > > > > but it is amusing for sure. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > You can spend a lot of time thinking about what a mind is or isn't. > > Lots to expound on there. > > LOL. > > - D - and since your mindless and brainless.. you can just go on elaborating on that... without thinking at all. you do all the time anyway. and..here's the kicker.. you think it's something to be proud about! hahahahahahahahahahaha! God i love you dabbo. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture does it have? > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > Tim Tim turn around > > and look back at what you said > > > > I happen to be a professorin absolutely nothing > > of which language is one of the most significant > > > > " Mind " and " mens " is the same. > > > > " Mental " (adj) & " mentally " (adv) is to do with > > " mens " (Latin) which is " mind " in English. > > > > -Lene > > You can say it's Mind or Nothing or whatever you want. > > Who cares? > > So, tell the truth, Lene. > > What is it really? > > Mental, physical, spiritual, everything, nothing. > > Let's really get the final definition of what is, so we all know what we're talking about ... > > - Dan - see that thing asking about a final definition dabbo? see that thing wanting a classification and a categorization? see that thing wanting everything put in a box to understand it? see that thing that says " all of us " ? well no you probably don't physically see it.. baba doesn't either. but can you grok it's operation.. what it's doing...what's going down as it's going on? that's the ticket dabbo. it'll likely be over your head but your right in the middle of it son. peace and goodwill and no bullshit kiddo: ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
