Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:56 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and that > > > > > there > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there even > > > > > an > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness > > > > > that > > > > > has > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > -- > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > illusion > > > > > is > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is not > > > > > some > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as the > > > > > sense > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention of > > > > > the > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > permeates > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether > > > > there > > > > is > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > trying > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > emanating > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The intention > > > > of > > > > manifesting. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend for > > > one to happen. > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite in > > > all > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > -geo- > > > > I did. > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > -dan- > > > > Nonsense. Dans intelligence, cleverness, or geos or anyones is just a > > limited aspect of unlimited intelligence, cleverness (whatever that is) > > -geo- > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it can't > > grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have no > > value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > - D - > > > > That is too complicated... and too much filled with cleverness. > > -geo- > > > Geo - > > There isn't any " depth " to ponder. > > There isn't any intention to grasp. > > Simple enough? > > - Dan - there isn't any simple to think about. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:45 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:56 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and that > > > > > > there > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there even > > > > > > an > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness > > > > > > that > > > > > > has > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > is > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is > > > > > > not > > > > > > some > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention > > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether > > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > > trying > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > > emanating > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > intention > > > > > of > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend > > > > for > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite in > > > > all > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > > -dan- > > > > > > Nonsense. Dans intelligence, cleverness, or geos or anyones is just a > > > limited aspect of unlimited intelligence, cleverness (whatever that is) > > > -geo- > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > > can't > > > grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have no > > > value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > That is too complicated... and too much filled with cleverness. > > > -geo- > > > > Geo - > > > > There isn't any " depth " to ponder. > > > > There isn't any intention to grasp. > > > > Simple enough? > > > > - Dan - > > > > Yes. That is simple. I desagree. Specially to the absurdity " there isn't any > > " depth " to ponder " . > > You are very simply and clearly blind-pissed off. :>) > > -geo- > > No, Geo. > > You're missing the message. > > Look: > > The individual being, with its perspective, history, and mind is a portion, a fragment, if you will. > > Agree? > > That individual wants to ponder the depths, gaze into the infinite ... whatever. > > That individual's pondering is fragmented, its gazing into the depths is fragmented. > > It can only be fragmented, because it is a fragmentation, is a fragmenting. > > Anything it says, thinks, feels, about the absolute, the infinite, the depths .... is irrelevant. > > Is fragmented. > > Understand? > > - Dan - LOL! see geoparado? dabbo really believes he has a " message " . OMG! and what's even richer than that manure is the idea that.. dabbo believes that he " understands " .. what " you " or anybody else doesn't. it's unreal that dabbo can't see that there is NOTHING to understand.. no one to understand.. no such thing as understanding. but stupid is as stupid does. it exposes itself in every word spoken by a fool. and the fool....???? he thinks himself wise! LOL! and most peculiar.. he never tires of trying to convince you that this is so... by asking if you understand... what he considers his own " true " understanding. and this action is usually pontificated from a step stool pulpit. gotta love it and laugh at it. and then leave it alone.... it's somewhat amusing at the least. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Nonsense. Dans intelligence, cleverness, or geos or anyones is just a > > limited aspect of unlimited intelligence, cleverness (whatever that is) > > -geo- > > Geo - > > There are no separable " aspects " to be had by anyone. > > Dan's intelligence, Geo's intelligence, or anyone's - considered as " theirs " - is fragmentation. > > > - D - for Christ sakes dabbo.. " fragmentation " IS an " aspect " . what you are then saying kid is: " There are no separable " aspects " to be had by anyone... BECAUSE...those aspects are aspects [fragmentation] " . now how dumb is that dab? ca-ching! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:23 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:45 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:56 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and > > > > > that > > > > > there > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there > > > > > even > > > > > an > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness > > > > > that > > > > > has > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > -- > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > > illusion > > > > > is > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is > > > > > not > > > > > some > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as > > > > > the > > > > > sense > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention > > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > permeates > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether > > > > there > > > > is > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time > > > > trying > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > > emanating > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > intention > > > > of > > > > manifesting. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend > > > for > > > one to happen. > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite > > > in > > > all > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > -geo- > > > > I did. > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > -dan- > > > > Nonsense. Dans intelligence, cleverness, or geos or anyones is just a > > limited aspect of unlimited intelligence, cleverness (whatever that is) > > -geo- > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it > > can't > > grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have > > no > > value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. > > > > - D - > > > > That is too complicated... and too much filled with cleverness. > > -geo- > > Geo - > > There isn't any " depth " to ponder. > > There isn't any intention to grasp. > > Simple enough? > > - Dan - > > Yes. That is simple. I desagree. Specially to the absurdity " there isn't > any > " depth " to ponder " . > You are very simply and clearly blind-pissed off. :>) > -geo- No, Geo. You're missing the message. Look: The individual being, with its perspective, history, and mind is a portion, a fragment, if you will. Agree? That individual wants to ponder the depths, gaze into the infinite ... whatever. -dan- No. Not just whatever! The fragment understood that it is a fragment of the infinite. The timeless, the unlimited. The infinite!!! -geo- That individual's pondering is fragmented, its gazing into the depths is fragmented. It can only be fragmented, because it is a fragmentation, is a fragmenting. -dan- Yes!! There is much, much, much more to it. The limitless infinite! -geo- Anything it says, thinks, feels, about the absolute, the infinite, the depths ... is irrelevant. Is fragmented. Understand? - Dan - Yes. You are a fragment, but your understanding is not only fragmented but conceptual. The fragment says: I am just a fragment, I have no idea what is this depth - how marvelous. I have no idea what this unknowable may be - how marvelous. I have no idea how this happen to be - how marvelous!!! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes. That is simple. I desagree. Specially to the absurdity " there isn't any > > > " depth " to ponder " . > > > You are very simply and clearly blind-pissed off. :>) > > > -geo- > > > > No, Geo. > > > > You're missing the message. > > > > Look: > > > > The individual being, with its perspective, history, and mind is a portion, a fragment, if you will. > > > > Agree? > > > > That individual wants to ponder the depths, gaze into the infinite ... whatever. > > > > That individual's pondering is fragmented, its gazing into the depths is fragmented. > > > > It can only be fragmented, because it is a fragmentation, is a fragmenting. > > > > Anything it says, thinks, feels, about the absolute, the infinite, the depths ... is irrelevant. > > > > Is fragmented. > > > > Understand? > > > > - Dan - > > P: And that includes Dan. Not that I'm saying that > what he wrote is wrong, it just needs to be verify > by me to be credible. ) Yes, it includes Dan, and yes it needed to be verified by you, and only you. So, there you have it. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: The fragment dies. Its entire sense of " marvelous " was based in thought and the past. All it ever was or could be was a projection of thought and associated emotion and association based in memory. It dies. Nothing to ponder. No " marvelousness " left ... - D - > > Yes. You are a fragment, but your understanding is not only fragmented but > conceptual. > The fragment says: I am just a fragment, I have no idea what is this depth - > how marvelous. I have no idea what this unknowable may be - how marvelous. I > have no idea how this happen to be - how marvelous!!! > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 romantic nonsense. what never was born never dies. nothing marvelous about no " marvelousness " ... just cheap jive talk. it gets you off that's all. confirms the shadow's power over the phantom who would pretend to not be. if you feel it's right to think " nothing left " .. go tell it on a mountain. the wind will be about as excited by that as " you " can hope for. hope is about as real and helpful as " you " are. get over it. when " you " quit blowing so will the wind. with no resistance the wind is not there. and neither are the hoped for admirers of the blowless windbag. good shot! LOL! ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > The fragment dies. > > Its entire sense of " marvelous " was based in thought and the past. > > All it ever was or could be was a projection of thought and associated emotion and association based in memory. > > It dies. > > Nothing to ponder. > > No " marvelousness " left ... > > - D - > > > > Yes. You are a fragment, but your understanding is not only fragmented but > > conceptual. > > The fragment says: I am just a fragment, I have no idea what is this depth - > > how marvelous. I have no idea what this unknowable may be - how marvelous. I > > have no idea how this happen to be - how marvelous!!! > > -geo- > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 sounds just marvelous darling. as smooth as real Corinthian leather. :-) ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > -geo- > > The fragment dies. > > Its entire sense of " marvelous " was based in thought and the past. > > All it ever was or could be was a projection of thought and associated > emotion and association based in memory. > > It dies. > > Nothing to ponder. > > No " marvelousness " left ... > > - D - > > > > Yes. You are a fragment, but your understanding is not only fragmented but > > conceptual. > > The fragment says: I am just a fragment, I have no idea what is this > > depth - > > how marvelous. I have no idea what this unknowable may be - how marvelous. > > I > > have no idea how this happen to be - how marvelous!!! > > -geo- > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > -geo- You think death is boring? Nope. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > -geo- > > You think death is boring? > > Nope. > > - D - if it's not...it's not death. it's false beliefs and fancy notions. afterward there's neither boredom nor it's opposite. but from this end of the game.. if you aren't bored with death..the one sure thing.. you're fooling yourself or trying to fool someone else. it's no big deal. it's not mystical. it's not important. it's unmistakable and inescapable. how boring. unless you want to sound profound of course. then you can believe it and yourself to be: a big deal..mystical..important...unmistakable..inescapable. but that's ridiculous. most people will seek the first escape from you they can... just because you are just as boring as death... but you won't shut up. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! -geo- The fragment dies. Its entire sense of " marvelous " was based in thought and the past. All it ever was or could be was a projection of thought and associated emotion and association based in memory. It dies. Nothing to ponder. No " marvelousness " left ... - D - > > Yes. You are a fragment, but your understanding is not only fragmented but > conceptual. > The fragment says: I am just a fragment, I have no idea what is this > depth - > how marvelous. I have no idea what this unknowable may be - how marvelous. > I > have no idea how this happen to be - how marvelous!!! > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > -geo- > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > Nope. > > > > - D - > > > if it's not...it's not death. > > it's false beliefs and fancy notions. > > afterward there's neither boredom nor it's opposite. right. death is not boring. > but from this end of the game.. > > if you aren't bored with death..the one sure thing.. > > you're fooling yourself or trying to fool someone else. > > it's no big deal. > > it's not mystical. > > it's not important. > > it's unmistakable and inescapable. > > how boring. > > unless you want to sound profound of course. > > then you can believe it and yourself to be: > > a big deal..mystical..important...unmistakable..inescapable. > > but that's ridiculous. > > most people will seek the first escape from you they can... > > just because you are just as boring as death... > > but you won't shut up. > > .b b.b. death is death. regardless of anything said here. it's not about me. it's not about you. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > -geo- > > You think death is boring? > > Nope. > > - D - > > It is what then? > -geo- > Seems like a very silly question, from here. Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). Without the living being, all is just new. Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is completely new, with each letter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > -geo- You think death is boring? Nope. - D - It is what then? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > -geo- > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > if it's not...it's not death. > > > > it's false beliefs and fancy notions. > > > > afterward there's neither boredom nor it's opposite. > > right. > > death is not boring. > > > > > but from this end of the game.. > > > > if you aren't bored with death..the one sure thing.. > > > > you're fooling yourself or trying to fool someone else. > > > > it's no big deal. > > > > it's not mystical. > > > > it's not important. > > > > it's unmistakable and inescapable. > > > > how boring. > > > > unless you want to sound profound of course. > > > > then you can believe it and yourself to be: > > > > a big deal..mystical..important...unmistakable..inescapable. > > > > but that's ridiculous. > > > > most people will seek the first escape from you they can... > > > > just because you are just as boring as death... > > > > but you won't shut up. > > > > .b b.b. > > > death is death. > > regardless of anything said here. > > > it's not about me. > > it's not about you. > > > - Dan - well what the hell is it about? if it's NOT about you.. why do you find it NOT boring. are you saying that you just enjoy being a voyeur? give it a rest dabbo. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > -geo- > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > Nope. > > > > - D - > > > > It is what then? > > -geo- > > it is to die. > > - D - if it's not about you or me.. what dies? why is it interesting? who are you trying to bullshit..yourself? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > -geo- > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > Nope. > > > > - D - > > > > It is what then? > > -geo- > > > > Seems like a very silly question, from here. > > Both boredom and excitement are obviously ways to be (for a living being). > > Without the living being, all is just new. > > Even the movement from one letter to the next in this sentence is completely new, with each letter. " with each each new letter " ? as it occurs in time? i thought it was all " NOW " . how can anything be new if it's all NOW? don't get excited about this. that would be boring. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > if it's not...it's not death. > > > > > > it's false beliefs and fancy notions. > > > > > > afterward there's neither boredom nor it's opposite. > > > > right. > > > > death is not boring. > > > > > > > > > but from this end of the game.. > > > > > > if you aren't bored with death..the one sure thing.. > > > > > > you're fooling yourself or trying to fool someone else. > > > > > > it's no big deal. > > > > > > it's not mystical. > > > > > > it's not important. > > > > > > it's unmistakable and inescapable. > > > > > > how boring. > > > > > > unless you want to sound profound of course. > > > > > > then you can believe it and yourself to be: > > > > > > a big deal..mystical..important...unmistakable..inescapable. > > > > > > but that's ridiculous. > > > > > > most people will seek the first escape from you they can... > > > > > > just because you are just as boring as death... > > > > > > but you won't shut up. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > death is death. > > > > regardless of anything said here. > > > > > > it's not about me. > > > > it's not about you. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > well what the hell is it about? > > if it's NOT about you.. > > why do you find it NOT boring. > > are you saying that you just enjoy being a voyeur? > > give it a rest dabbo. > > .b b.b. " give it a rest? " that's your advice to someone else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > > > > > > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > You think death is boring? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > if it's not...it's not death. > > > > > > > > it's false beliefs and fancy notions. > > > > > > > > afterward there's neither boredom nor it's opposite. > > > > > > right. > > > > > > death is not boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > but from this end of the game.. > > > > > > > > if you aren't bored with death..the one sure thing.. > > > > > > > > you're fooling yourself or trying to fool someone else. > > > > > > > > it's no big deal. > > > > > > > > it's not mystical. > > > > > > > > it's not important. > > > > > > > > it's unmistakable and inescapable. > > > > > > > > how boring. > > > > > > > > unless you want to sound profound of course. > > > > > > > > then you can believe it and yourself to be: > > > > > > > > a big deal..mystical..important...unmistakable..inescapable. > > > > > > > > but that's ridiculous. > > > > > > > > most people will seek the first escape from you they can... > > > > > > > > just because you are just as boring as death... > > > > > > > > but you won't shut up. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > death is death. > > > > > > regardless of anything said here. > > > > > > > > > it's not about me. > > > > > > it's not about you. > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > well what the hell is it about? > > > > if it's NOT about you.. > > > > why do you find it NOT boring. > > > > are you saying that you just enjoy being a voyeur? > > > > give it a rest dabbo. > > > > .b b.b. > > " give it a rest? " > > that's your advice to someone else? uh..yup. is that hard for you to figure out? or to " personally " take? that figures either way. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. OK, > No... that is not the way it is here. Viva a diferença! > -geo- You think death is boring? Nope. - D - It is what then? -geo- always this grey, normal and boring questions from this dead people... lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. Grey? What kind of conceptual labeling of the present is this? How could " what is so " ever be boring? I s'pose when 'what isn't so' is believed to be so, 'what is so' could look that way! Sheesh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > Sure...yes. Everything grey and normal and common and boring. Grey? What kind of conceptual labeling of the present is this? How could " what is so " ever be boring? I s'pose when 'what isn't so' is believed to be so, 'what is so' could look that way! Sheesh. yes....what is " grey " ?..... what is " boring " ?.... wait....maybe there are some " grey and boring " people in here who could explain about this their world... Sheesh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and that > > > > there > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there even an > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness that > > > > has > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > -- > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce > > > > illusion > > > > is > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is not > > > > some > > > > absolute value. > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as the > > > > sense > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention of > > > > the > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > permeates > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether there > > > is > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is absolute? > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time trying > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention > > > emanating > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The intention > > > of > > > manifesting. > > > -geo- > > > > Geo - > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend for > > one to happen. > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > - Dan > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is infinite in all > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > -geo- > > I did. > > You did not get what I said. > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't grasp. " > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that it can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > This means you want to have manifested. > > But nope - you haven't. > > Sorry to break the news to you. --------------------- > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to have no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of it. And yet - be there Mind is all there is -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, and that there > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is there even an > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless awareness that > > > > > has > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > -- > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to produce illusion > > > > > is > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or not-illusion....is not > > > > > some > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as illusional as the > > > > > sense > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or intention of the > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - that > > > > > permeates > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine whether there is > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and not just > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything is absolute? > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard time trying > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain intention emanating > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The intention of > > > > manifesting. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to intend for one to happen. > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > what did you intend to say inside there dabbo? > > > > you know..the inside without an outside that you're relating to. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > not an inside without an outside. > > you got it wrong. > > it's a canoe without a paddle. > > the one you're riding in, babbo. inside outside is the same grab the paddle and canoe away inside outside is still the same mindbusiness not yours not mine not his not hers not its o barbielade i love to jam -lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > And yet - be there > > Mind is all there is > > -Lene > Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
