Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Good morning! A toast with strawberry jam? Tea or coffee? > > -geo- > > Tea, please. > > The Darjeeling, just a bit of sugar and cream. > > - D - boys! is it really morning where you fellas are? or are you eyes just wide shut? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:46 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:21 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:30 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:41 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:11 PM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Friday, January 08, 2010 8:49 PM > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that any " how " or " why " question implies time, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is no time actually involved. So, I'm also asking: how is > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > even an > > > > > > > > appearance or illusion of time in and through a timeless > > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > no motive or intention to produce illusion. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > geo> To say that awareness has no motive or intention to > > > > > > > > produce > > > > > > > > illusion > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > quite questionable, is theoretical. Illusion or > > > > > > > > not-illusion....is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > absolute value. > > > > > > > > Are stars and constellations and a cup of coffee as > > > > > > > > illusional > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > of a separate me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not express myself well. What I mean is motives or > > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > absolute are unknowable to us - human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not this absolute ... how can you know anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can you claim to know you are a human being? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the other hand obviously > > > > > > > > there is a certain - what some have tentatively call " law " - > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > permeates > > > > > > > > the universe otherwise we would not be here :>))). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, unless you are this absolute - how can you determine > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a here or not - and whether or not anyone is here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all our human > > > > > > > > world has trees and water falls and animals and lakes and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > volcanoes, lava, fetid suphurous air etc.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ahhh...this is not easy to ponder upon.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You postulate an absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But unless you are this absolute - how can you know anything > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > absolute? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you are it ... to whom are you talking about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None else. That is not what I mean (actualy I am having a hard > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to express this). What I mean is that there is a certain > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > emanating > > > > > > > from the absolute that knowledge can not touch in any way. The > > > > > > > intention > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > manifesting. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention? No way. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for any manifestation to have occurred, or to > > > > > > intend > > > > > > for > > > > > > one to happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't an outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > An intention relates to an outside?? No. This depth here is > > > > > > infinite > > > > > > in all > > > > > > nuances or manners or intents... Nothing a human mind can grasp. > > > > > > You did not get what I wanted to say...its OK > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I did. > > > > > > > > > > You did not get what I said. > > > > > > > > > > You want infinite depth that your human mind can say, " I don't > > > > > grasp. " > > > > > > > > > > Your mind wants some kind of infinite depth with an intention that > > > > > it > > > > > can't grasp, and wants to be involved with a " manifestation. " > > > > > > > > > > This means you want to have manifested. > > > > > > > > > > But nope - you haven't. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to break the news to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > > > What your mind doesn't want is to not be able to be there, and to > > > > > have > > > > > no value whatsoever, no infinite depth to ponder, no ponderer of > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > There's no such thing as a mind, or Mind. > > > > > > Never has been, never will be. > > > > > > It's an imaginary reference point. > > > > > > Mind what I say! > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > But there is a awareness or consciousness! Great....those words are > > > really > > > more identical to IT. > > > PS - Imaginary - imagined by whom? Referenced by whom? Which is the > > > word > > > that is better then mind? > > > -geo- > > > > Saliva. > > > > Everyone knows reality is produced by the salivary glands. > > > > Wake up! > > > > - Dan - > > > > Saliva is better then mind? > > -geo- > > No. > > There isn't any single source or multiple source of reality. > > So, no concern to find a name for an " it " that doesn't exist. > -dan- > > Which it is that that doesnt exist? > -geo- Just give it up. There's no question here. > You say you are " more " than what you perceive. > -dan- > > yes > -geo- > > So, this is what you're endeavoring. > -dan- > > " Endeavoring " is an acreation of yours. It just is. What just is does not involve a portion that is less and a portion that is more. You're barking up a tree that isn't. > Looking for " more, " wanting to be " more, " wanting a name for this " more, " > wanting to say there's a " more " and it's unnameable, etc., etc. > > There is no " more " for you to be, get, name, or not be able to name. > > - Dan - > > Indeed. Looking for more is looking for more dellusion. There IS more then > the senses, no need to look for. > -geo- Anything you say or think, is sensed. Saying words about how there is what words can't say, reaches a limit. At that limit point, you can't say, and you can't not say. You can't know, and you can't not know. You can't be, and you can't not be. - D - Good morning! A toast with strawberry jam? Tea or coffee? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > -tim- > > Shit.......I thought it was dan.... :>) > WHY DONT YOU PUT YOUR @#$%#%$% NAME BELLOW YOUR POSTS??? Cuz it's a @#$%#%$% name. I only use it when @#$%#%$%ing my girlfriend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:42 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the > > > > > > floor? > > > > > > To > > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture > > > > > associated > > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > > does > > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is > > > > > a > > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > > us > > > > > its REAL name. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > > by > > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a > > > post > > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > > -geo- > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > All righty then... > > > > - D - > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > I understood what she meant, but you did not, that is why I addressed my > > post to you - . So.... and the story goes on, I suggested asking what she > > meant. But her understanding seems to be partial though.... I am inclined to > > believe lene thinks all there is is one movement " as manifestation " , as > > consciousness. But the unmanifested rock is also fact. The manifested is > > streams of smoke on the non manifested Are we communicating? > > -geo- > > Sure we are. > > By the way, I understood my post as an understanding of what she understood. > > You understood my post as not understanding what she understood, which she may understand, but not fully understand. > > Yet, none of us understand. > > Nor do we not understand. > > Understood? > > (Don't answer, not important) ... > > > -- D -- nothing is important dabbo. what ever gives you the impression... that you ever had ANYTHING important to say or to answer. i suppose you think the " important " stuff is the " good " stuff too. what am i ever going to do with you dabbo? oh right.. there is no you to do anything with by anyone anyway. well anyhoo..i get my kicks from dabbo. no matter what you say. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > All righty then... > > > > - D - > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > So, never mind. > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:42 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the > > > > floor? > > > > To > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture > > > associated > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > does > > > it have? > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is > > > a > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > -tim- > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > us > > > its REAL name. > > > -geo- > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > What is it really? > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > In fact ... > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > - Dan - > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > by > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > -geo- > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a > post > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > - D - > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > -geo- So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. And you call this " communicating " ? All righty then... - D - No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? I understood what she meant, but you did not, that is why I addressed my post to you - . So.... and the story goes on, I suggested asking what she meant. But her understanding seems to be partial though.... I am inclined to believe lene thinks all there is is one movement " as manifestation " , as consciousness. But the unmanifested rock is also fact. The manifested is streams of smoke on the non manifested Are we communicating? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > > > So, never mind. > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > > i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > There aren't two of us to have anything going on. He's in me, and I'm in him. Amazing how that works... it's like water inside a teapot, and the teapot is inside the water. That's why nobody ever figures it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > -tim- > > > > Shit.......I thought it was dan.... :>) > > WHY DONT YOU PUT YOUR @#$%#%$% NAME BELLOW YOUR POSTS??? > > Cuz it's a @#$%#%$% name. > > I only use it when @#$%#%$%ing my girlfriend. you use it with dabbo? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > > > > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > > > > > So, never mind. > > > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > > > > > i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There aren't two of us to have anything going on. > > He's in me, and I'm in him. > > Amazing how that works... it's like water inside a teapot, and the teapot is inside the water. > > That's why nobody ever figures it out. right. no explanations needed timmy. it's ok by baba. man you were quick with this one. what are you worried about? exposure? i think that's already an ipso facto thing timmy. now this stuff about: " He's in me, and I'm in him. " .. at the same time???? you fellas ARE creative! what was it you said yesterday about pussies not liking alcohol? well anyway.. are you " boys " having drinks right " NOW " ? look..don't get upset.. it's the 21rst Century. and you boys are on the West Coast right? it's all One right? what goes on Alone (together) at home stays at home. Blessingsness boys. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the > > > > > floor? > > > > > To > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture > > > > associated > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What > > > > texture > > > > does > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which > > > > is > > > > a > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But > > > > now......tell > > > > us > > > > its REAL name. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene > > > means > > > by > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > -geo- > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a > > post > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > - D - > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > -geo- > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > All righty then... > > - D - > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > I understood what she meant, but you did not, that is why I addressed my > post to you - . So.... and the story goes on, I suggested asking what she > meant. But her understanding seems to be partial though.... I am inclined > to > believe lene thinks all there is is one movement " as manifestation " , as > consciousness. But the unmanifested rock is also fact. The manifested is > streams of smoke on the non manifested Are we communicating? > -geo- Once you cure yourself of the smoke in your eyes, there isn't any manifestation to be concerned about. There is only the unmanifest, the unborn. Therefore, there isn't any meaning to terms like " unmanifest " or " unborn. " So, one is not deluded into believing that meaning is being imparted through such terms as " manifest " or " unmanifest. " -dan- True. But you said " there is only the unmanifest, the unborn. " ....so there was imparted a meaning to the terms. Let us not be deluded by the " is-there is not " game. It is the only game bbb (for example) is able to play - unconsciously. When we say things are, we mean they are AS waves - it is true (why not, after all they have names?). When we say " things are not " we mean the real is the unchanging and all changing is just empty patterns. Both can be contemplated as correct. First there is mountain, then there is not, then there is. -geo- If you say, " have some tea, " and hand me a cup, the words and action go together. Here on this silly list, words go back and forth for no other purpose than to go back and forth. It's a lot of meaningless drivel, for fun. Are we communicating? - Dan - The " is-there is not " is a silly trap when not noticed. -geo- ================================================= ........not very much interested in their depression..... P.S. While we're on this topic, check this out, from the Huffington Post, concerning " Avatar Depression " : Here are just a few of the ways people are coping on Avatar-Forums.com : " I just watched avatar a few weeks ago and I'm feeling depressed and sad. It's like I want to reach out and be in Pandora. I'd do anything to be in Pandora. I've tried so hard to dream about me being on Pandora but it hasn't worked. " " Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it. I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' " " Because, at this point, there isn't pretty much anything else that can be done. Until the release of DVD/BluRay. But even that won't take away all of the depression. Because you know you can never actually go to Pandora, as it exists only in our imagination... sigh... " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > > > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > > > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > > > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > > > > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > > > > > > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > > > > > > > So, never mind. > > > > > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > > > > > > > > i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > There aren't two of us to have anything going on. > > > > He's in me, and I'm in him. > > > > Amazing how that works... it's like water inside a teapot, and the teapot is inside the water. > > > > That's why nobody ever figures it out. > > > right. > > no explanations needed timmy. > > it's ok by baba. > > man you were quick with this one. > > what are you worried about? > > exposure? > > i think that's already an ipso facto thing timmy. > > now this stuff about: > > " He's in me, and I'm in him. " .. > > at the same time???? > > you fellas ARE creative! > > what was it you said yesterday about pussies not liking alcohol? > > well anyway.. > > are you " boys " having drinks right " NOW " ? > > look..don't get upset.. > > it's the 21rst Century. > > and you boys are on the West Coast right? I think Dan's in Indiana, or something like that. I'm on the west coast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:50 PM Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > All righty then... > > - D - > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? Actually, I said that, not Dan. But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. So, never mind. What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. -tim- Shit.......I thought it was dan.... :>) WHY DONT YOU PUT YOUR @#$%#%$% NAME BELLOW YOUR POSTS??? Not just for me - but anyone interestd in reading them. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > > > > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > > > > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > > > > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > > > > > > > > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > > > > > > > > > So, never mind. > > > > > > > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > > > > > > > > > > > i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > There aren't two of us to have anything going on. > > > > > > He's in me, and I'm in him. > > > > > > Amazing how that works... it's like water inside a teapot, and the teapot is inside the water. > > > > > > That's why nobody ever figures it out. > > > > > > right. > > > > no explanations needed timmy. > > > > it's ok by baba. > > > > man you were quick with this one. > > > > what are you worried about? > > > > exposure? > > > > i think that's already an ipso facto thing timmy. > > > > now this stuff about: > > > > " He's in me, and I'm in him. " .. > > > > at the same time???? > > > > you fellas ARE creative! > > > > what was it you said yesterday about pussies not liking alcohol? > > > > well anyway.. > > > > are you " boys " having drinks right " NOW " ? > > > > look..don't get upset.. > > > > it's the 21rst Century. > > > > and you boys are on the West Coast right? > > I think Dan's in Indiana, or something like that. I'm on the west coast. a long distance relationship. how sweet. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > > > > > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > > > > > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > > > > > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There aren't two of us to have anything going on. > > > > > > > > He's in me, and I'm in him. > > > > > > > > Amazing how that works... it's like water inside a teapot, and the teapot is inside the water. > > > > > > > > That's why nobody ever figures it out. > > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > no explanations needed timmy. > > > > > > it's ok by baba. > > > > > > man you were quick with this one. > > > > > > what are you worried about? > > > > > > exposure? > > > > > > i think that's already an ipso facto thing timmy. > > > > > > now this stuff about: > > > > > > " He's in me, and I'm in him. " .. > > > > > > at the same time???? > > > > > > you fellas ARE creative! > > > > > > what was it you said yesterday about pussies not liking alcohol? > > > > > > well anyway.. > > > > > > are you " boys " having drinks right " NOW " ? > > > > > > look..don't get upset.. > > > > > > it's the 21rst Century. > > > > > > and you boys are on the West Coast right? > > > > I think Dan's in Indiana, or something like that. I'm on the west coast. > > > a long distance relationship. > > how sweet. > > .b b.b. > There aren't two of us to have a " relationship " . How often does this need to be repeated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > > > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > > > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > its REAL name. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > > > > by > > > > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > > > > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > > > > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post > > > > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > well why not and what the hell. > > > > > > you call putting words in peoples mouths.. > > > > > > as saying what they meant to say.. > > > > > > you call that communicating for chrissakes. > > > > > > he never said he didn't " want " to do or not do anything. > > > > > > where did you read that? > > > > > > he said there was no need. > > > > > > and when he said: > > > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > > > he was saying: > > > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > > > NOT saying that he wanted to do something that he didn't want to do. > > > > > > that kind of twisted bullshit of yours needs a walk dabbo. > > > > > > All no righty nor wrongy then or now and forever. > > > > > > why do you always think there is a right or wrong.. > > > > > > and that you know what the right is? > > > > > > you just don't get this. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > there isn't any separable " me " to get any of this. > > > > silly stuff to post, over and over, talking about " me's " and " you's " who get and don't get. > > > > it doesn't matter how many times this is pointed out, the posts continue on and on in the same pattern, the same theme, over and over and over. > > > > compulsive. > > > > the " me " activity - that's all it is. > > > > repetition compulsion. > > > > > > - d - > > > > LOL! > > and you're pretty much compulsively defending that crap. > > why if there's no " me " or " you " .. > > do you bother with sending posts to everyone OR anyone? > > your justificatory nonsense is almost excusatory... > > like how you " can't explain this " > > a sort of en garde mental attitude.. > > which claims that it is without attitude... > > because there isn't anyone there to " have " an attitude. > > astonishingly.. > > (even though there's no one to be astonished..AMAZING STUFF this).. > > that " no one " never tires of telling all how it's not. > > yet not not too. > > it doesn't matter i guess but it's full of energy.. > > or as my uncles used to say.. " piss and vinegar " . > > and yet beyond that.. > > that Mr. Nobody still thinks itself to be sweet. > > and s/he NEEDS to tell ya (over and over)how " it's " all.. > > " repetition compulsion. " > > and always smiles and says: > > Blessings and Understanding and Peace and.. > > Please SEE and Adore my " ME " ness as the Allness I AM! > > unlike the " me " activity - that's all " you " iz. > > heeheeheeeeee! > > you're fun dabbo. > > loveya! > > :-) > > .b b.b. love you, too, babbo. always glad to supply your entertainment needs. it's okay with you if I haven't read many of the words you wrote ... i get the gist of it - you're having a good time with everything. - dabbo - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > True. But you said " there is only the unmanifest, the unborn. " ....so there > was imparted a meaning to the terms. Agreed. > Let us not be deluded by the " is-there > is not " game. Agreed again. Understanding beyond the words, means that the duality involved in all words and any position - is understood as not. The duality is just an aspect of any word, and every word, and any and all ways words can be strung together. Any position taken about anything - the same way. The duality implied by any words, ideas, memories, the play of opposites through feelings - it all amounts to a " not there " once understood as is. > It is the only game bbb (for example) is able to play - unconsciously. When > we say things are, we mean they are AS waves - it is true (why not, after > all they have names?). When we say " things are not " we mean the real is the > unchanging and all changing is just empty patterns. Both can be contemplated > as correct. Each is the other. " Is " and " is not " " yes " and " no " Things being there. Things not there. It's just that it's impossible to convey through words or any other way. It's clear why that is so. So, the understanding, the realization of it, can't be through someone else or something else. Not even through an experience, to whatever extent an experience comes and goes. > First there is mountain, then there is not, then there is. > The " is-there is not " is a silly trap when not noticed. > -geo- It's a version of the " it's there " " no, it's not there " " I want to be there " " I can't be there " difficulty in terms of people's emotions and how a movie can stir that up. It's ready to get stirred up, in various ways. It is the human experience, insofar as that experiencing is to have and lose, to get close then distant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > > > > > > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > > > > > > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > > > > > > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, never mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There aren't two of us to have anything going on. > > > > > > > > > > He's in me, and I'm in him. > > > > > > > > > > Amazing how that works... it's like water inside a teapot, and the teapot is inside the water. > > > > > > > > > > That's why nobody ever figures it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > no explanations needed timmy. > > > > > > > > it's ok by baba. > > > > > > > > man you were quick with this one. > > > > > > > > what are you worried about? > > > > > > > > exposure? > > > > > > > > i think that's already an ipso facto thing timmy. > > > > > > > > now this stuff about: > > > > > > > > " He's in me, and I'm in him. " .. > > > > > > > > at the same time???? > > > > > > > > you fellas ARE creative! > > > > > > > > what was it you said yesterday about pussies not liking alcohol? > > > > > > > > well anyway.. > > > > > > > > are you " boys " having drinks right " NOW " ? > > > > > > > > look..don't get upset.. > > > > > > > > it's the 21rst Century. > > > > > > > > and you boys are on the West Coast right? > > > > > > I think Dan's in Indiana, or something like that. I'm on the west coast. > > > > > > a long distance relationship. > > > > how sweet. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There aren't two of us to have a " relationship " . How often does this need to be repeated? well timmy.. as long as...and as many times as.. you keep trying to relate something to baba would be the guess here. are you SURE that you are ok? are you and dabbo arguing as (One of course).. over the color of new drapes? i've always thought it wasn't until a man and a man.. became husband and husband.. that they were said to NOW be ONE. but you boys have it your way. it's cuter than cute actually. and if you don't mind... and i can't see why you would.. (both of you agree that there is no mind to be minded anyway).. well anyway.. may i suggest a nice bright pink for those draperies. if it fits the windows i think they fit you dudettes. and if it fits it ships.. at one low price nationwide. So the Postal Service doth Decree. it's on TV and everything! nice low cost start for a young couple just starting out. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Good morning! A toast with strawberry jam? Tea or coffee? > > > -geo- > > > > Tea, please. > > > > The Darjeeling, just a bit of sugar and cream. > > > > - D - > > > boys! > > is it really morning where you fellas are? > > or are you eyes just wide shut? > > :-) > > .b b.b. tea is good for you. anytime. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:50 PM > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > All righty then... > > > > - D - > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > So, never mind. > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > -tim- > > Shit.......I thought it was dan.... :>) > WHY DONT YOU PUT YOUR @#$%#%$% NAME BELLOW YOUR POSTS??? > Not just for me - but anyone interestd in reading them. > -geo- true. but also, if you look at the top of the post, you'll see the order of the posters. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > nothing is important dabbo. > > what ever gives you the impression... > > that you ever had ANYTHING important to say or to answer. > > i suppose you think the " important " stuff is the " good " stuff too. > > what am i ever going to do with you dabbo? > > oh right.. > > there is no you to do anything with by anyone anyway. > > well anyhoo..i get my kicks from dabbo. > > no matter what you say. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. there you go again. mischaracterizing me as usual. typical character assassin. don't worry, sly stallone will play you when they make the movie. i think the important stuff is the useless stuff. and i think the useless stuff is important. the space between the words, i like as much as the words. it's better that you get your kicks from dabbo than cocaine. i'm glad you get no kick from cocaine. the rain in spain stays mainly down the drain. all the way down. know what I mean? jelly bean ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were > > > saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > No. You said " Hi, Lene... I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . Where > > > should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > To the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? Ain't no such > > > thingie. Mind is a myth. " . Remember? > > > > Actually, I said that, not Dan. > > > > But Dan is me, and I'm Dan. > > > > So, never mind. > > > > What Tim says, is what Dan says. What Dan says, is what Tim says. > > > i KNEW you two had a " thing " goin' on! > > LOL! > > .b b.b. no babbo, that's me and mrs. jones you're thinking of. we had a thing going on. but you wouldn't know about that. you don't know what it is, do you, mr. jones ... - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > > > > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > > > > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > its REAL name. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > > > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > > > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > > > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post > > > > > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > well why not and what the hell. > > > > > > > > you call putting words in peoples mouths.. > > > > > > > > as saying what they meant to say.. > > > > > > > > you call that communicating for chrissakes. > > > > > > > > he never said he didn't " want " to do or not do anything. > > > > > > > > where did you read that? > > > > > > > > he said there was no need. > > > > > > > > and when he said: > > > > > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > > > > > he was saying: > > > > > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > > > > > NOT saying that he wanted to do something that he didn't want to do. > > > > > > > > that kind of twisted bullshit of yours needs a walk dabbo. > > > > > > > > All no righty nor wrongy then or now and forever. > > > > > > > > why do you always think there is a right or wrong.. > > > > > > > > and that you know what the right is? > > > > > > > > you just don't get this. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > there isn't any separable " me " to get any of this. > > > > > > silly stuff to post, over and over, talking about " me's " and " you's " who get and don't get. > > > > > > it doesn't matter how many times this is pointed out, the posts continue on and on in the same pattern, the same theme, over and over and over. > > > > > > compulsive. > > > > > > the " me " activity - that's all it is. > > > > > > repetition compulsion. > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > and you're pretty much compulsively defending that crap. > > > > why if there's no " me " or " you " .. > > > > do you bother with sending posts to everyone OR anyone? > > > > your justificatory nonsense is almost excusatory... > > > > like how you " can't explain this " > > > > a sort of en garde mental attitude.. > > > > which claims that it is without attitude... > > > > because there isn't anyone there to " have " an attitude. > > > > astonishingly.. > > > > (even though there's no one to be astonished..AMAZING STUFF this).. > > > > that " no one " never tires of telling all how it's not. > > > > yet not not too. > > > > it doesn't matter i guess but it's full of energy.. > > > > or as my uncles used to say.. " piss and vinegar " . > > > > and yet beyond that.. > > > > that Mr. Nobody still thinks itself to be sweet. > > > > and s/he NEEDS to tell ya (over and over)how " it's " all.. > > > > " repetition compulsion. " > > > > and always smiles and says: > > > > Blessings and Understanding and Peace and.. > > > > Please SEE and Adore my " ME " ness as the Allness I AM! > > > > unlike the " me " activity - that's all " you " iz. > > > > heeheeheeeeee! > > > > you're fun dabbo. > > > > loveya! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > love you, too, babbo. > > always glad to supply your entertainment needs. > > it's okay with you if I haven't read many of the words you wrote ... > > i get the gist of it - you're having a good time with everything. > > - dabbo - nice dabbo. it's swell with me if you haven't read ANY of the words. if i were you.. which i'm not.. unless of course you get offended.. by my offending your boyfriend's thought on that.. anyway.. if i were you.. and i looked at baba's posts to me.. i wouldn't read any of the words. but that's me. who is you if timmy's right. but you know where i stand on that " right and wrong " deal. so baba's not saying that timmy's wrong. ..b b.b. just thinks it's a tad weird and a whole lot scary.. to think that i might be you OR timmy. hear what i'm sayin' bro? but by all means just skip my posts like wernie does. i really don't write them for you to read. like it's hard to come to grips with any notion here.. that you would be able to understand them anyway. i've told you before.. i post for the hell of it.. and for me. unless i am you as timmy says.. then we have what you call a paradox see? no? that's ok. you're not reading most or any of the words.. baba is putting down here anyway right? yeah that's it.. just like wernerina doesn't read my posts either. it gives her something to not complain about by doing that. oh hell..i forgot.. you aren't there. :-) ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:18 PM > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:18 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: ^^^^~~~~^^^^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet - be there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is all there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Lene... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned if I can find a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where should I look -- up, toward the ceiling? Down toward the floor? > > > > > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > > > the north? To the south? To the east? To the west? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ain't no such thingie. Mind is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. a noun like " mind " should at least have a mental picture associated > > > > > > > > > with it. What is the shape of " mind " ? What is its color? What texture > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > it have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably all you come up with is a mental picture of a brain, which is a > > > > > > > > > physical organ like the heart or spleen, not a " mind " . > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. She is not referring to a physical brain at all. But now......tell > > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > its REAL name. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's what I want to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it really? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's get on the same page here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it ... life, energy, death, stillness, awareness, nothing, being, > > > > > > > > no-thing, consciousness, love, now, all, totality, > > > > > > > > emptiness, tao, you, me, impersonal, personal ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's get it straight once and for all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a poll! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not Mind? It can not be named anyway... > > > > > > > > So instead of saying there is no Mind....let us find out what lene means > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Mind before excluding the word from the list of possible names to IT. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you assume there is something to be named? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an unnecessary assumption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're concerned with finding out what Lene meant, why not address a post > > > > > > > to Lene and ask her what she meant? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No need. She said all there is is mind. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > So, when you said, " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " you were saying you want to do something that you don't want to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you call this " communicating " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > All righty then... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well why not and what the hell. > > > > > > > > > > you call putting words in peoples mouths.. > > > > > > > > > > as saying what they meant to say.. > > > > > > > > > > you call that communicating for chrissakes. > > > > > > > > > > he never said he didn't " want " to do or not do anything. > > > > > > > > > > where did you read that? > > > > > > > > > > he said there was no need. > > > > > > > > > > and when he said: > > > > > > > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > > > > > > > he was saying: > > > > > > > > > > " let us find out what Lene means by Mind, " .. > > > > > > > > > > NOT saying that he wanted to do something that he didn't want to do. > > > > > > > > > > that kind of twisted bullshit of yours needs a walk dabbo. > > > > > > > > > > All no righty nor wrongy then or now and forever. > > > > > > > > > > why do you always think there is a right or wrong.. > > > > > > > > > > and that you know what the right is? > > > > > > > > > > you just don't get this. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > there isn't any separable " me " to get any of this. > > > > > > > > silly stuff to post, over and over, talking about " me's " and " you's " who get and don't get. > > > > > > > > it doesn't matter how many times this is pointed out, the posts continue on and on in the same pattern, the same theme, over and over and over. > > > > > > > > compulsive. > > > > > > > > the " me " activity - that's all it is. > > > > > > > > repetition compulsion. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > and you're pretty much compulsively defending that crap. > > > > > > why if there's no " me " or " you " .. > > > > > > do you bother with sending posts to everyone OR anyone? > > > > > > your justificatory nonsense is almost excusatory... > > > > > > like how you " can't explain this " > > > > > > a sort of en garde mental attitude.. > > > > > > which claims that it is without attitude... > > > > > > because there isn't anyone there to " have " an attitude. > > > > > > astonishingly.. > > > > > > (even though there's no one to be astonished..AMAZING STUFF this).. > > > > > > that " no one " never tires of telling all how it's not. > > > > > > yet not not too. > > > > > > it doesn't matter i guess but it's full of energy.. > > > > > > or as my uncles used to say.. " piss and vinegar " . > > > > > > and yet beyond that.. > > > > > > that Mr. Nobody still thinks itself to be sweet. > > > > > > and s/he NEEDS to tell ya (over and over)how " it's " all.. > > > > > > " repetition compulsion. " > > > > > > and always smiles and says: > > > > > > Blessings and Understanding and Peace and.. > > > > > > Please SEE and Adore my " ME " ness as the Allness I AM! > > > > > > unlike the " me " activity - that's all " you " iz. > > > > > > heeheeheeeeee! > > > > > > you're fun dabbo. > > > > > > loveya! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > love you, too, babbo. > > > > always glad to supply your entertainment needs. > > > > it's okay with you if I haven't read many of the words you wrote ... > > > > i get the gist of it - you're having a good time with everything. > > > > - dabbo - > > > nice dabbo. > > it's swell with me if you haven't read ANY of the words. > > if i were you.. > > which i'm not.. > > unless of course you get offended.. > > by my offending your boyfriend's thought on that.. > > anyway.. > > if i were you.. > > and i looked at baba's posts to me.. > > i wouldn't read any of the words. however it happens, is fine by me. > > but that's me. > > who is you if timmy's right. > > but you know where i stand on that " right and wrong " deal. yes, you think that " right and wrong " is wrong. very silly and uptight of you. > so baba's not saying that timmy's wrong. > > .b b.b. just thinks it's a tad weird and a whole lot scary.. > > to think that i might be you OR timmy. be afraid. be very afraid. > hear what i'm sayin' bro? yup. > but by all means just skip my posts like wernie does. i'm not skipping your posts. you just write so voluminously, my attention tends to veer away at times, or skip entire posts at times. but then, who's counting? > i really don't write them for you to read. > > like it's hard to come to grips with any notion here.. > > that you would be able to understand them anyway. gee, you're sooooooo deep, man. > i've told you before.. > > i post for the hell of it.. > > and for me. > > unless i am you as timmy says.. > > then we have what you call a paradox see? > > no? > > that's ok. stay away from that pair o' ducks. at least put your hockey stick down. > you're not reading most or any of the words.. i didn't say that. but construe it however you want. > baba is putting down here anyway right? someone is putting baba down here. don't worry, babba, dabbo is here. it's okay now, baba, you don't have to feel put down. you're really okay. > yeah that's it.. > > just like wernerina doesn't read my posts either. > > it gives her something to not complain about by doing that. > > oh hell..i forgot.. > > you aren't there. there's no separate you there, silly baba black sheep. it doesn't mean anything or anyone is missing or absent. > :-) nice smiley, as usual. have you any wool, baba black sheep? - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > True. But you said " there is only the unmanifest, the unborn. " ....so there > > was imparted a meaning to the terms. > > Agreed. > > > Let us not be deluded by the " is-there > > is not " game. > > Agreed again. > > Understanding beyond the words, means that the duality involved in all words and any position - is understood as not. The duality is just an aspect of any word, and every word, and any and all ways words can be strung together. Any position taken about anything - the same way. > > The duality implied by any words, ideas, memories, the play of opposites through feelings - it all amounts to a " not there " once understood as is. > > > It is the only game bbb (for example) is able to play - unconsciously. When > > we say things are, we mean they are AS waves - it is true (why not, after > > all they have names?). When we say " things are not " we mean the real is the > > unchanging and all changing is just empty patterns. Both can be contemplated > > as correct. > > Each is the other. > > " Is " and " is not " " yes " and " no " > > Things being there. > > Things not there. > > It's just that it's impossible to convey through words or any other way. > > It's clear why that is so. > > So, the understanding, the realization of it, can't be through someone else or something else. > > Not even through an experience, to whatever extent an experience comes and goes. > > > > First there is mountain, then there is not, then there is. > > > The " is-there is not " is a silly trap when not noticed. > > -geo- > > It's a version of the " it's there " " no, it's not there " " I want to be there " " I can't be there " difficulty in terms of people's emotions and how a movie can stir that up. > > It's ready to get stirred up, in various ways. > > It is the human experience, insofar as that experiencing is to have and lose, to get close then distant. > to " to get close then distant. " with what? what's " ready to get stirred up " ? oh wait.. it's " yes and no " and " black and white " and " up and down " .. and " nobody's home " and " i am you " and " it's all One{ " and " Now " . uh huh. so you say you've been experiencing some bad things lately huh? it's NOW clear as Day. Zowie! just like a Zen Master and everything! i just know all the readers are impressed with me... and you who is me of course of course. the me (and you) that's neither here and not there. the " not there " that is.. " up and down " ...and all around the town that isn't. gosh this is terrific stuff. may i say...almost " stirring " what? as in the emotional upheaval gone through in a movie.. like: " it's there " " no..it's not there " .. " I want to be there " ... " I can't be there " ... a definite difficulty in terms of people's emotions fer sure. i'm so glad (even though i'm not here).. that i'm above all that stuff. just like you dabbo. tell mne about it kid. ok i will. but i as dabbo don't read my stuff. ok so don't tell me about it. but i already did. no..nothing happened. but " one " just has to say.. " it's just so beautiful and RIGHT and deep and all that there stuff. " LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > True. But you said " there is only the unmanifest, the unborn. " ....so there > > > was imparted a meaning to the terms. > > > > Agreed. > > > > > Let us not be deluded by the " is-there > > > is not " game. > > > > Agreed again. > > > > Understanding beyond the words, means that the duality involved in all words and any position - is understood as not. The duality is just an aspect of any word, and every word, and any and all ways words can be strung together. Any position taken about anything - the same way. > > > > The duality implied by any words, ideas, memories, the play of opposites through feelings - it all amounts to a " not there " once understood as is. > > > > > It is the only game bbb (for example) is able to play - unconsciously. When > > > we say things are, we mean they are AS waves - it is true (why not, after > > > all they have names?). When we say " things are not " we mean the real is the > > > unchanging and all changing is just empty patterns. Both can be contemplated > > > as correct. > > > > Each is the other. > > > > " Is " and " is not " " yes " and " no " > > > > Things being there. > > > > Things not there. > > > > It's just that it's impossible to convey through words or any other way. > > > > It's clear why that is so. > > > > So, the understanding, the realization of it, can't be through someone else or something else. > > > > Not even through an experience, to whatever extent an experience comes and goes. > > > > > > > First there is mountain, then there is not, then there is. > > > > > The " is-there is not " is a silly trap when not noticed. > > > -geo- > > > > It's a version of the " it's there " " no, it's not there " " I want to be there " " I can't be there " difficulty in terms of people's emotions and how a movie can stir that up. > > > > It's ready to get stirred up, in various ways. > > > > It is the human experience, insofar as that experiencing is to have and lose, to get close then distant. > > > > > to " to get close then distant. " with what? the imagined other. > > what's " ready to get stirred up " ? > > oh wait.. > > it's " yes and no " and " black and white " and " up and down " .. > > and " nobody's home " and " i am you " and " it's all One{ " and " Now " . > > uh huh. > > so you say you've been experiencing some bad things lately huh? > > it's NOW clear as Day. > > Zowie! > > just like a Zen Master and everything! > > i just know all the readers are impressed with me... > > and you who is me of course of course. > > the me (and you) that's neither here and not there. > > the " not there " that is.. > > " up and down " ...and all around the town that isn't. > > gosh this is terrific stuff. > > may i say...almost " stirring " what? > > as in the emotional upheaval gone through in a movie.. > > like: > > " it's there " " no..it's not there " .. > > " I want to be there " ... " I can't be there " ... > > a definite difficulty in terms of people's emotions fer sure. > > i'm so glad (even though i'm not here).. > > that i'm above all that stuff. > > just like you dabbo. > > tell mne about it kid. > > ok i will. > > but i as dabbo don't read my stuff. when it gets too wordy and repetitive, babar. > ok so don't tell me about it. > > but i already did. > > no..nothing happened. > > but " one " just has to say.. > > " it's just so beautiful and RIGHT and deep and all that there stuff. " > > LOL! > > .b b.b. the emptiness is amazing. amazingly empty and full. and all that stuff. blah, blah, blah. it's one of those things. you just gotta be there to appreciate. not that talking about it matters one way or another. - dib dab - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
