Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well damn dabbo.. > > > > > > > > > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > > > > > > > > > you might as well shut up then. > > > > > > > > > > good job little guy. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > i haven't said anything. > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > > > > by saying that you haven't said anything you've said something. > > > > > > and it's bullshit. > > > > > > be wrong it's ok. > > > > > > you seem to like it that way. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > i'm saying that nothing has been said. > > > > regardless of whether you think something was said. > > > > you said nothing happens. > > > > so i guess, now you take it back. > > > > because you want something to have been said. > > > > so you can argue about it. > > > > LOL. > > > > - .d d.d. > > > don't listen to baba. > > baba doesn't know anything. > > how many times in the timeless does he need say that? > > if you need an argument start without .b b.b. > > in a timely fashion. > > you already have. > > it doesn't amount to anything. > > it never does. > > never mind. > > there's no mind to never. > > this is not a word game. > > " this " is a word. > > that is a game. > > everything is awesome sauce with gravy. > > BLESSED IS HE who has won the friendship of an old dog. > > baba always wanted to be a dinosaur.. > > baba wanted to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex more than anything.. > > baba made his arms short and he roamed the back yard.. > > he chased the neighborhood cats. > > it all depend on what's dancing on top of a number 9. > > if you understand nothing... nothing more needs to be said. > > nothing has been said. > > so don't be so argumentative. > > somewhere it's late in the day. > > have you no respect? > > that sucks. > > doesn't it all? > > .b b.b. funny! okay, mr. dinosaur. you need to say it nine times in the timeless. " it, it, it. " and you need to say nine ten times in the timeless. but you only need to time the timeless once. use a stopwatch. watch it stop. stop watching. - d. .d.d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > > > > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > > > > > > > > > > > right right right right right.. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > > > > > > > > > > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > > > > > > > > > > > ahem.. > > > > > > > > > > > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > > > > > > > > > > > no it's not. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not, it's not, it's not. > > > > > > > > > > it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. > > > > > > > > > > ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. > > > > > > > > > > like, like, it's not happening, man. > > > > > > > > > > you're a real not-happening dude. > > > > > > > > > > no, not really. > > > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > > > > > > > you wish. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > you wish that i wish. > > > > > > i don't. > > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > that's another wish. > > > > .b b.b. > > silly. > > - d - you wish. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well damn dabbo.. > > > > > > > > > > > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > > > > > > > > > > > you might as well shut up then. > > > > > > > > > > > > good job little guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > i haven't said anything. > > > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > > > > > > > by saying that you haven't said anything you've said something. > > > > > > > > and it's bullshit. > > > > > > > > be wrong it's ok. > > > > > > > > you seem to like it that way. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > i'm saying that nothing has been said. > > > > > > regardless of whether you think something was said. > > > > > > you said nothing happens. > > > > > > so i guess, now you take it back. > > > > > > because you want something to have been said. > > > > > > so you can argue about it. > > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > - .d d.d. > > > > > > don't listen to baba. > > > > baba doesn't know anything. > > > > how many times in the timeless does he need say that? > > > > if you need an argument start without .b b.b. > > > > in a timely fashion. > > > > you already have. > > > > it doesn't amount to anything. > > > > it never does. > > > > never mind. > > > > there's no mind to never. > > > > this is not a word game. > > > > " this " is a word. > > > > that is a game. > > > > everything is awesome sauce with gravy. > > > > BLESSED IS HE who has won the friendship of an old dog. > > > > baba always wanted to be a dinosaur.. > > > > baba wanted to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex more than anything.. > > > > baba made his arms short and he roamed the back yard.. > > > > he chased the neighborhood cats. > > > > it all depend on what's dancing on top of a number 9. > > > > if you understand nothing... nothing more needs to be said. > > > > nothing has been said. > > > > so don't be so argumentative. > > > > somewhere it's late in the day. > > > > have you no respect? > > > > that sucks. > > > > doesn't it all? > > > > .b b.b. > > funny! > > okay, mr. dinosaur. > > you need to say it nine times in the timeless. > > " it, it, it. " > > and you need to say nine ten times in the timeless. > > but you only need to time the timeless once. > > use a stopwatch. > > watch it stop. > > stop watching. > > - d. .d.d because psychotic is the new holy. just ask both of me...even all of me. all of the little devils. they don't know either though. though i don't know why. they seem smart enough. but then that's just a rumor from an unfamiliar source. don't listen to voices. particularly the one you think is your own. it's out to get you. and it can't be gotten. nor forgotten. there's nothing to forget. " what's the frequency ken? " that was a different dan. rather a Dan of the Rather kind. nobody ever called him dab. not even the voices. but CBS Voice called him gone. and don't you not remember to not not forget it. it doesn't matter. Pshaw of BabaLand: ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > -Lene > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > the now itself. All is well. > > > D: Well-said. > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. Ah! I liked that -Lene Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer = no duality = all is well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Lene > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 AM > > > > a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > > > > > This light is the law. > > > > > > > > There is no other law. > > > > > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > > > and contradictory. > > > > > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > > > > > -L- > > > > > > > > There is not, never was or wil be other light but this one > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pretty low-beam light though hey geopardo? > > > > > > but what the hay.. > > > > > > what's to see in any event right? > > > > > > and who's looking huh? > > > > > > and what events anyhow? > > > > > > with all that " not " stuff.. > > > > > > darkness is the key One would guess. > > > > > > screw that light..not in the socket either. > > > > > > besides.. > > > > > > it takes three Sons of Brazil to screw in a light bulb overhead.. > > > > > > one to hold the bulb.. > > > > > > and two to turn the ladder he's standing on. > > > > > > LOL > > > > To be a light to myself is to know > > I cannot rely on anything > > you tell me. > > > > As if you did not know that > > > > Hugs > > -L- > > > to know that you know... > > is listening to a rumor from an unreliable source. > > :-) > > .b b.b. Wow. Magnifique -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > Ah! I liked that > > -Lene > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > = no duality = all is well. if there are nothing happening.. where does " thus " come into play? thus: thenceforth..therefore.. 1. used to introduce a logical conclusion.. from that fact or reason or as a result. eg.: 'it is late and thus we must go'. 2. in the way indicated eg.: 'set up the pieces thus'. these are time indicators.. spatial considerations of events. thus it makes no sense to say: " Thus, happenings aren't happening. " but then too.. dabbo never ever and forever makes any sense. unless maybe incense. thus also means.. an aromatic gum resin obtained from.. various Arabian or East African trees.. formerly valued for worship and for embalming and fumigation. like: frankincense..gum olibanum. yes that must be it.. i can just see our holy little dabbo dressed as an alter boy.. opening the thurible for the priest to sprinkle the aromatics.. over top of the charcoal embers.. then swinging the censer on a chain in a religious ritual. just before he dips the aspergillum in the aspersory... and starts sprinkling the holy water over the crowd. look out ma! there's the smoke and water wagon! and that boy means business ma. but..that's just a happening..not happening he says. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > - D - > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > right right right right right.. > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > ahem.. > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > no it's not. > > .b b.b. check -lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > -Lene > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > Perhaps, it's a case of " all's well that ends well " . And we all face the same ending just as we *faced* the same beginning. > > Yet who knows what either is? And if one doesn't know what is, how could one know what is not? > > Happenings, however, are as clear as the nose on your face... especially should someone punch it, or you bite it off to spite it > (your face). > > > ~Anna Let's call it zero then, a name for nothing. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > -Lene > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > = no duality = all is well. > > > if there are nothing happening.. > > where does " thus " come into play? > > thus: > > thenceforth..therefore.. > > 1. used to introduce a logical conclusion.. > > from that fact or reason or as a result. > > eg.: 'it is late and thus we must go'. > > 2. in the way indicated > > eg.: 'set up the pieces thus'. > > these are time indicators.. > > spatial considerations of events. > > thus it makes no sense to say: > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening. " > > but then too.. > > dabbo never ever and forever makes any sense. > > unless maybe incense. > > thus also means.. > > an aromatic gum resin obtained from.. > > various Arabian or East African trees.. > > formerly valued for worship and for embalming and fumigation. > > like: frankincense..gum olibanum. > > yes that must be it.. > > i can just see our holy little dabbo dressed as an alter boy.. > > opening the thurible for the priest to sprinkle the aromatics.. > > over top of the charcoal embers.. > > then swinging the censer on a chain in a religious ritual. > > just before he dips the aspergillum in the aspersory... > > and starts sprinkling the holy water over the crowd. > > look out ma! > > there's the smoke and water wagon! > > and that boy means business ma. > > but..that's just a happening..not happening he says. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. Pete said: " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " Pete said: " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " Dan said: " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No difference. Dan said: " Thus, happenings aren't happening " Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. Mea culpa (just joking) But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can pull a rabbit out of my hat. If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne ver how). Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. They do? When? Thus! They can not vanish, can not end. Only that which has a beginning has an ending. Not yes? Since happening is without beginning and an ending It is not totally out of the place to say that it never happened. I could - and perhaps this is more in line with what Dan wrote - put it thusly: IF Pete's " that on which happenings come and go " is no thing And since that (nothing) and the happening coming/going is the same (according to me and Dan) It is correct to say that nothing happens. Ooooh - give us a break, ma Will do Break -Ma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Lene > Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:00 AM > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > > = no duality = all is well. > > > > > > if there are nothing happening.. > > > > where does " thus " come into play? > > > > thus: > > > > thenceforth..therefore.. > > > > 1. used to introduce a logical conclusion.. > > > > from that fact or reason or as a result. > > > > eg.: 'it is late and thus we must go'. > > > > 2. in the way indicated > > > > eg.: 'set up the pieces thus'. > > > > these are time indicators.. > > > > spatial considerations of events. > > > > thus it makes no sense to say: > > > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening. " > > > > but then too.. > > > > dabbo never ever and forever makes any sense. > > > > unless maybe incense. > > > > thus also means.. > > > > an aromatic gum resin obtained from.. > > > > various Arabian or East African trees.. > > > > formerly valued for worship and for embalming and fumigation. > > > > like: frankincense..gum olibanum. > > > > yes that must be it.. > > > > i can just see our holy little dabbo dressed as an alter boy.. > > > > opening the thurible for the priest to sprinkle the aromatics.. > > > > over top of the charcoal embers.. > > > > then swinging the censer on a chain in a religious ritual. > > > > just before he dips the aspergillum in the aspersory... > > > > and starts sprinkling the holy water over the crowd. > > > > look out ma! > > > > there's the smoke and water wagon! > > > > and that boy means business ma. > > > > but..that's just a happening..not happening he says. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > Pete said: > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > Pete said: > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > Dan said: > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > difference. > > Dan said: > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > Mea culpa (just joking) > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > ver how). > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > They do? > > When? > > Thus! > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > Not yes? > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > happened. > > I could - and perhaps this is more in line with what Dan > wrote - put it thusly: > > IF > Pete's " that on which happenings come and go " is no thing > > And since that (nothing) and the happening coming/going is > the same (according to me and Dan) > > It is correct to say that nothing happens. > > Ooooh - give us a break, ma > > Will do > > Break > > -Ma > > You must find the shirt.... > -geo- uhmmm.. cabin fever? ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 - Lene Nisargadatta Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:00 AM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > -Lene > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > = no duality = all is well. > > > if there are nothing happening.. > > where does " thus " come into play? > > thus: > > thenceforth..therefore.. > > 1. used to introduce a logical conclusion.. > > from that fact or reason or as a result. > > eg.: 'it is late and thus we must go'. > > 2. in the way indicated > > eg.: 'set up the pieces thus'. > > these are time indicators.. > > spatial considerations of events. > > thus it makes no sense to say: > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening. " > > but then too.. > > dabbo never ever and forever makes any sense. > > unless maybe incense. > > thus also means.. > > an aromatic gum resin obtained from.. > > various Arabian or East African trees.. > > formerly valued for worship and for embalming and fumigation. > > like: frankincense..gum olibanum. > > yes that must be it.. > > i can just see our holy little dabbo dressed as an alter boy.. > > opening the thurible for the priest to sprinkle the aromatics.. > > over top of the charcoal embers.. > > then swinging the censer on a chain in a religious ritual. > > just before he dips the aspergillum in the aspersory... > > and starts sprinkling the holy water over the crowd. > > look out ma! > > there's the smoke and water wagon! > > and that boy means business ma. > > but..that's just a happening..not happening he says. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. Pete said: " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " Pete said: " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " Dan said: " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No difference. Dan said: " Thus, happenings aren't happening " Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. Mea culpa (just joking) But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can pull a rabbit out of my hat. If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne ver how). Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. They do? When? Thus! They can not vanish, can not end. Only that which has a beginning has an ending. Not yes? Since happening is without beginning and an ending It is not totally out of the place to say that it never happened. I could - and perhaps this is more in line with what Dan wrote - put it thusly: IF Pete's " that on which happenings come and go " is no thing And since that (nothing) and the happening coming/going is the same (according to me and Dan) It is correct to say that nothing happens. Ooooh - give us a break, ma Will do Break -Ma You must find the shirt.... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > you wish. > > .b b.b. > When you wish upon a star Dreams will take you very far, yeah When you wish upon a dream Life ain't always what it seems, oh yeah Once you see your light so clear In the sky so very dear You're a shining star, no matter who you are Shining bright to see what you can truly be That you can truly be EW & F Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > Ah! I liked that > > -Lene > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > = no duality = all is well. " 'Round 'round git around, I'm not around ... " With apologies to the Beach Boys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > you wish. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > When you wish upon a star > Dreams will take you very far, yeah > > When you wish upon a dream > Life ain't always what it seems, oh yeah > > Once you see your light so clear > In the sky so very dear > > You're a shining star, no matter who you are > Shining bright to see what you can truly be > > That you can truly be > > EW & F > Sounds more like Earth, Wind and Pinocchio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > Pete said: > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > Pete said: > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > Dan said: > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > difference. > > Dan said: > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > Mea culpa (just joking) > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > ver how). > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > They do? > > When? > > Thus! > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > Not yes? > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > happened. It has no place to happen. A place is a happening. A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. Without a place, no happening can happen. So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. Without a time, no happening can be. But a time is a happening. And a happening can't happen in a happening. So, there is no time for anything to happen. Time is constructed, to imagine happenings. > > I could - and perhaps this is more in line with what Dan > wrote - put it thusly: > > IF > Pete's " that on which happenings come and go " is no thing > > And since that (nothing) and the happening coming/going is > the same (according to me and Dan) > > It is correct to say that nothing happens. Yes, there isn't a real observer who could observe something taking place. The imagined observer is that which is observed. It only is happening as long as there is separation. Without separation, it is clear that no happening takes place. All that is, is nothing not happening. Multidimensionally, multicolored, all kinds of views of multitextured nothing. > Ooooh - give us a break, ma " It's all right ma, I'm only bleeding. " Bob Dylan > > Will do > > Break Break fast. Quick - there's nowhere to get. And it's fun not getting anywhere. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > you wish. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > When you wish upon a star > > Dreams will take you very far, yeah > > > > When you wish upon a dream > > Life ain't always what it seems, oh yeah > > > > Once you see your light so clear > > In the sky so very dear > > > > You're a shining star, no matter who you are > > Shining bright to see what you can truly be > > > > That you can truly be > > > > EW & F > > > > Sounds more like Earth, Wind and Pinocchio. Pin the Nokia on the Don Quixote. Who will win, the Eloi or the Morlocks? Stay tuned. - Dab - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > -Lene > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > = no duality = all is well. > > > " 'Round 'round git around, I'm not around ... " > > With apologies to the Beach Boys not to worry. they're not around either. even more not around than you dabbo. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > Pete said: > > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > > > Pete said: > > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > > > Dan said: > > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > > difference. > > > > Dan said: > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > > Mea culpa (just joking) > > > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > > ver how). > > > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > > > They do? > > > > When? > > > > Thus! > > > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > > > Not yes? > > > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > > happened. > > It has no place to happen. > > A place is a happening. > > A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. > > Without a place, no happening can happen. > > So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. But you said the place (space) IS the happening (of nothing of course - remember that Before following up on this: no, we places are not invented -- we do not exist. We are but holes in nothing, this is to say we are nothing - happening. Anyway Why would happenings have happenings? I tell you why - it is with that like with movie-making. We make movies which we then watch because we can't watch what is happening because nothing is happening. The happenings, which the place/space that is the happening of nothing itself have/ make, are freezing, holding nothing happening - and that is being done io that the nonhappening which is place/space can and will remember & repeat its own nonhappening. LOL - true or false? By the way - what is the square root of 8? An annoying question and yet - I would like to know -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > Pete said: > > > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > > > > > Pete said: > > > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > > > > > Dan said: > > > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > > > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > > > difference. > > > > > > Dan said: > > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > > > > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > > > Mea culpa (just joking) > > > > > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > > > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > > > > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > > > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > > > ver how). > > > > > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > > > > > They do? > > > > > > When? > > > > > > Thus! > > > > > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > > > > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > > > > > Not yes? > > > > > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > > > > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > > > happened. > > > > It has no place to happen. > > > > A place is a happening. > > > > A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. > > > > Without a place, no happening can happen. > > > > So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. > > > > But you said the place (space) IS the happening (of nothing > of course - remember that > > Before following up on this: no, we places are not invented > -- we do not exist. We are but holes in nothing, this is to > say we are nothing - happening. > > Anyway > > Why would happenings have happenings? > > I tell you why - it is with that like with movie-making. We > make movies which we then watch because we can't watch what > is happening because nothing is happening. > > The happenings, which the place/space that is the happening > of nothing itself have/ make, are freezing, holding nothing > happening - and that is being done io that the nonhappening > which is place/space can and will remember & repeat its own > nonhappening. > > LOL - true or false? > > By the way - what is the square root of 8? > > An annoying question and yet - I would like to know > > -Lene it's really close to the triangular root of -5. but it actually misses " right on " .. by a factor of 0 minus itself 12 times over...or under.. depending on the form of the question. it's all closely aligned with.. the price of potatoes in a fluctuating market vortex. which brings us to supernovas but those are different. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > > > > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > > > > > > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > > > > Mea culpa (just joking) > > > > > > > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > > > > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > > > > > > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > > > > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > > > > ver how). > > > > > > > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > > > > > > > They do? > > > > > > > > When? > > > > > > > > Thus! > > > > > > > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > > > > > > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > > > > > > > Not yes? > > > > > > > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > > > > > > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > > > > happened. > > > > > > It has no place to happen. > > > > > > A place is a happening. > > > > > > A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. > > > > > > Without a place, no happening can happen. > > > > > > So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. > > > > > > > > But you said the place (space) IS the happening (of nothing > > of course - remember that > > > > Before following up on this: no, we places are not invented > > -- we do not exist. We are but holes in nothing, this is to > > say we are nothing - happening. > > > > Anyway > > > > Why would happenings have happenings? > > > > I tell you why - it is with that like with movie-making. We > > make movies which we then watch because we can't watch what > > is happening because nothing is happening. > > > > The happenings, which the place/space that is the happening > > of nothing itself have/ make, are freezing, holding nothing > > happening - and that is being done io that the nonhappening > > which is place/space can and will remember & repeat its own > > nonhappening. > > > > LOL - true or false? > > > > By the way - what is the square root of 8? > > > > An annoying question and yet - I would like to know > > > > -Lene > > > > > it's really close to the triangular root of -5. > > but it actually misses " right on " .. > > by a factor of 0 minus itself 12 times over...or under.. > > depending on the form of the question. > > it's all closely aligned with.. > > the price of potatoes in a fluctuating market vortex. > > which brings us to supernovas but those are different. > > .b b.b. I was just going to take a walk when you pulled the legs away under me So Now i have to take a run instead as i have no longer any feet to walk on -L- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > > = no duality = all is well. > > > > > > " 'Round 'round git around, I'm not around ... " > > > > With apologies to the Beach Boys > > > not to worry. > > they're not around either. > > even more not around than you dabbo. > > .b b.b. ba ba ba ba babba ann ba ba ba oh baba annnnnn come take my haaaanddd oh baba annnnnn you got me rockin' and rollin' rockin' and reelin' baba ann ba ba ba ba ba ann ..d .D.d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > Pete said: > > > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > > > > > Pete said: > > > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > > > > > Dan said: > > > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > > > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > > > difference. > > > > > > Dan said: > > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > > > > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > > > Mea culpa (just joking) > > > > > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > > > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > > > > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > > > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > > > ver how). > > > > > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > > > > > They do? > > > > > > When? > > > > > > Thus! > > > > > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > > > > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > > > > > Not yes? > > > > > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > > > > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > > > happened. > > > > It has no place to happen. > > > > A place is a happening. > > > > A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. > > > > Without a place, no happening can happen. > > > > So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. > > > > But you said the place (space) IS the happening (of nothing > of course - remember that Yes. > Before following up on this: no, we places are not invented > -- we do not exist. We are but holes in nothing, this is to > say we are nothing - happening. There aren't any holes in nothing. Holes are made up, imagined, only. And the imagining of the holes, never happened. > Anyway > > Why would happenings have happenings? The don't, so there isn't any why. > I tell you why - it is with that like with movie-making. We > make movies which we then watch because we can't watch what > is happening because nothing is happening. Yes. Image constructs a loop, in which the imaged is imaged by an image to be an image for an image ... on and on ... and never occurring. > The happenings, which the place/space that is the happening > of nothing itself have/ make, are freezing, holding nothing > happening - and that is being done io that the nonhappening > which is place/space can and will remember & repeat its own > nonhappening. To remember is to repeat. To repeat is to falsify. The true can't be falsified. So, what is remembered, never took place. And the memory of having a memory, never took place. > LOL - true or false? What is true can't be spoken or believed. > By the way - what is the square root of 8? It is the square root of 8. > An annoying question and yet - I would like to know Yes, that is what " I " is ... a wanting to know. And there is nothing that can be known. And no knower. And thus, knowing is ... not happening. And saying that there is nothing happening, is not happening. And the " not " is not. So ... Say whatever you will. It's fine with me. Have some tea! - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > > > > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > > > > > > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > > > > Mea culpa (just joking) > > > > > > > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > > > > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > > > > > > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > > > > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > > > > ver how). > > > > > > > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > > > > > > > They do? > > > > > > > > When? > > > > > > > > Thus! > > > > > > > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > > > > > > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > > > > > > > Not yes? > > > > > > > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > > > > > > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > > > > happened. > > > > > > It has no place to happen. > > > > > > A place is a happening. > > > > > > A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. > > > > > > Without a place, no happening can happen. > > > > > > So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. > > > > > > > > But you said the place (space) IS the happening (of nothing > > of course - remember that > > Yes. > > > Before following up on this: no, we places are not invented > > -- we do not exist. We are but holes in nothing, this is to > > say we are nothing - happening. > > There aren't any holes in nothing. > > Holes are made up, imagined, only. > > And the imagining of the holes, never happened. > > > Anyway > > > > Why would happenings have happenings? > > The don't, so there isn't any why. > > > I tell you why - it is with that like with movie-making. We > > make movies which we then watch because we can't watch what > > is happening because nothing is happening. > > Yes. > > Image constructs a loop, in which the imaged is imaged by an image to be an image for an image ... > > on and on ... > > and never occurring. > > > > The happenings, which the place/space that is the happening > > of nothing itself have/ make, are freezing, holding nothing > > happening - and that is being done io that the nonhappening > > which is place/space can and will remember & repeat its own > > nonhappening. > > To remember is to repeat. > > To repeat is to falsify. > > The true can't be falsified. > > So, what is remembered, never took place. > > And the memory of having a memory, never took place. > > > LOL - true or false? > > What is true can't be spoken or believed. > > > By the way - what is the square root of 8? > > It is the square root of 8. > > > An annoying question and yet - I would like to know > > Yes, that is what " I " is ... > > a wanting to know. > > And there is nothing that can be known. > > And no knower. > > And thus, knowing is ... > > not happening. > > And saying that there is nothing happening, > > is not happening. > > And the " not " is not. > > So ... > > Say whatever you will. > > It's fine with me. > > Have some tea! > > > - D - P: It's this nonsensical going around with false logic that is the braying of nondual donkeys in heat, like positing an absurdity like happenings neither have beginning nor ending, and then to go on pretending the absurdity is a prove fact deducting other absurdities from that. These philosophical donkeys need to read nonduality for idiots: All that exists, appears as the illusion of two: The universe and I. One it's seen the I doesn't exist, only the One is left. The one is real, only illusion is illusory: happenings are real, matter is real, and yet ever appearing, changing, vanishing to appear again. There is not a thing to affirm, or negate in an universe without self. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > > > > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > > > > > > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > > > > Mea culpa (just joking) > > > > > > > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > > > > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > > > > > > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > > > > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > > > > ver how). > > > > > > > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > > > > > > > They do? > > > > > > > > When? > > > > > > > > Thus! > > > > > > > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > > > > > > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > > > > > > > Not yes? > > > > > > > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > > > > > > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > > > > happened. > > > > > > It has no place to happen. > > > > > > A place is a happening. > > > > > > A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. > > > > > > Without a place, no happening can happen. > > > > > > So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. > > > > > > > > But you said the place (space) IS the happening (of nothing > > of course - remember that > > Yes. > > > Before following up on this: no, we places are not invented > > -- we do not exist. We are but holes in nothing, this is to > > say we are nothing - happening. > > There aren't any holes in nothing. > > Holes are made up, imagined, only. > > And the imagining of the holes, never happened. > > > Anyway > > > > Why would happenings have happenings? > > The don't, so there isn't any why. > > > I tell you why - it is with that like with movie-making. We > > make movies which we then watch because we can't watch what > > is happening because nothing is happening. > > Yes. > > Image constructs a loop, in which the imaged is imaged by an image to be an image for an image ... > > on and on ... > > and never occurring. > > > > The happenings, which the place/space that is the happening > > of nothing itself have/ make, are freezing, holding nothing > > happening - and that is being done io that the nonhappening > > which is place/space can and will remember & repeat its own > > nonhappening. > > To remember is to repeat. > > To repeat is to falsify. > > The true can't be falsified. > > So, what is remembered, never took place. > > And the memory of having a memory, never took place. > > > LOL - true or false? > > What is true can't be spoken or believed. Good. So we are the false speaking as the false about the false. Yup. > > By the way - what is the square root of 8? > > It is the square root of 8. Thats one way of putting it. Another is Bobs way; a third is: 2,8284271 according to my little machine here. When I multiply that number with itself I get 7,9999998. I think I will stick with Bobs way No seriously. This is what kids are asked to do at school. A square with an area of 8cm2 exists but its sides do not Meaning: they can't be measured exactly so how can I know if they exist? The only way I can make such a square is the triangle-way. We use math to show the world exists - and we use math to show the world does not exist. Super. > > An annoying question and yet - I would like to know > > Yes, that is what " I " is ... > > a wanting to know. > > And there is nothing that can be known. > > And no knower. > > And thus, knowing is ... > > not happening. > > And saying that there is nothing happening, > > is not happening. > > And the " not " is not. > > So ... > > Say whatever you will. > > It's fine with me. > > Have some tea! Thanks but thats not me cup o tea; I will have some coffee fee instead I understood what you wrote upstais - and understanding is inexplicable - fortunately - heh heh. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > > " happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace " > > > > > > > > > > Pete said: > > > > > " That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine " > > > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > > " And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > > > Lene thought: right! There is no that on which happening > > > > > come and go. The that and the happening is the same. No > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > Dan said: > > > > > " Thus, happenings aren't happening " > > > > > > > > > > Lene didn't comment on that which is not clear of course. > > > > > Mea culpa (just joking) > > > > > > > > > > But now that you have challenged me, I will see if I can > > > > > pull a rabbit out of my hat. > > > > > > > > > > If a happening vanishes by itself - it must have entered > > > > > once upon a time (since there's no mind to never mind ne > > > > > ver how). > > > > > > > > > > Happenings however do not enter - do not begin. > > > > > > > > > > They do? > > > > > > > > > > When? > > > > > > > > > > Thus! > > > > > > > > > > They can not vanish, can not end. > > > > > > > > > > Only that which has a beginning has an ending. > > > > > > > > > > Not yes? > > > > > > > > > > Since happening is without beginning and an ending > > > > > > > > > > It is not totally out of the place to say that it never > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > It has no place to happen. > > > > > > > > A place is a happening. > > > > > > > > A happening can't happen in a happening. That's redundant and circular. > > > > > > > > Without a place, no happening can happen. > > > > > > > > So, we places are invented in order to have happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > But you said the place (space) IS the happening (of nothing > > > of course - remember that > > > > Yes. > > > > > Before following up on this: no, we places are not invented > > > -- we do not exist. We are but holes in nothing, this is to > > > say we are nothing - happening. > > > > There aren't any holes in nothing. > > > > Holes are made up, imagined, only. > > > > And the imagining of the holes, never happened. > > > > > Anyway > > > > > > Why would happenings have happenings? > > > > The don't, so there isn't any why. > > > > > I tell you why - it is with that like with movie-making. We > > > make movies which we then watch because we can't watch what > > > is happening because nothing is happening. > > > > Yes. > > > > Image constructs a loop, in which the imaged is imaged by an image to be an image for an image ... > > > > on and on ... > > > > and never occurring. > > > > > > > The happenings, which the place/space that is the happening > > > of nothing itself have/ make, are freezing, holding nothing > > > happening - and that is being done io that the nonhappening > > > which is place/space can and will remember & repeat its own > > > nonhappening. > > > > To remember is to repeat. > > > > To repeat is to falsify. > > > > The true can't be falsified. > > > > So, what is remembered, never took place. > > > > And the memory of having a memory, never took place. > > > > > LOL - true or false? > > > > What is true can't be spoken or believed. > > > > > Good. So we are the false speaking as the false about the > false. Yup. > > > > > > > By the way - what is the square root of 8? > > > > It is the square root of 8. > > > > Thats one way of putting it. Another is Bobs way; a third > is: 2,8284271 according to my little machine here. When I > multiply that number with itself I get 7,9999998. I think > I will stick with Bobs way > > No seriously. This is what kids are asked to do at school. > A square with an area of 8cm2 exists but its sides do not > Meaning: they can't be measured exactly so how can I know > if they exist? > > The only way I can make such a square is the triangle-way. > > We use math to show the world exists - and we use math to > show the world does not exist. Super. > > > > > > > An annoying question and yet - I would like to know > > > > Yes, that is what " I " is ... > > > > a wanting to know. > > > > And there is nothing that can be known. > > > > And no knower. > > > > And thus, knowing is ... > > > > not happening. > > > > And saying that there is nothing happening, > > > > is not happening. > > > > And the " not " is not. > > > > So ... > > > > Say whatever you will. > > > > It's fine with me. > > > > Have some tea! > > > > Thanks but thats not me cup o tea; I will have some coffee > fee instead > > I understood what you wrote upstais - and understanding is > inexplicable - fortunately - heh heh. > > -Lene morning Lene.. dabbo doesn't understand that " it " is not understandable. dab likes to explain the inexplicable. dab wants a congregation. dab likes sounding holy and profound. too bad he doesn't succeed at either. no..it's not bad...it's not good... it's both and neither. i don't understand. it's inexplicable. we must await dan's sermon this morning to take care of this. he'll have the unanswerable answer... without question! watch out for the collection plate. he's trying to collect admirers. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
