Guest guest Report post Posted January 3, 2010 " One has to be a light to oneself. This light is the law. There is no other law. All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary and contradictory. To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " (J Krishnamurti) -L- there is no other choice than to be the light to oneself... such light include the connection/unity/oneness with appearent Gurus of whatever kind..... .... even if such connection/unity/oneness always has been... and ever will be .... there is nothing else than such connection/unity/oneness existing for real .... everything else is of worldly fantasies, worldly non-sense and worldly meaninglessness.....means ignorance Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > This light is the law. > > > > There is no other law. > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > and contradictory. > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > > > -L- > > > " You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows of > > authority..of dogma..of conclusion " > > NOR.. > > of preachment. Right, right But what happens when there is listening to certain preachers is that the idea of the need of preachers and preaching fall away. I know but one teacher, outside me self, whose words of wisdom have made me turn away from him and reject him and his teachings completely - and that is K - and I find it so amazing, that I have no words for it. It is a paradox. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2010 - Lene Nisargadatta Monday, January 04, 2010 9:32 AM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > This light is the law. > > > > There is no other law. > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > and contradictory. > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > > > -L- > > > " You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows of > > authority..of dogma..of conclusion " > > NOR.. > > of preachment. Right, right But what happens when there is listening to certain preachers is that the idea of the need of preachers and preaching fall away. I know but one teacher, outside me self, whose words of wisdom have made me turn away from him and reject him and his teachings completely - and that is K - and I find it so amazing, that I have no words for it. It is a paradox. -Lene It is not a paradox at all. Appearences in all and any way are just that: arisings, appearences. A rock, a dog, a tree, a thought, K, geo........ and even bbb or werner. None can tell from where the next rabbit will jump within the story that the ME is. Just events....within the same old sea......of no-thingness/emptiness. Someone called it " awaken space " - nice. LOL -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Lene > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 04, 2010 9:32 AM > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > > > This light is the law. > > > > > > There is no other law. > > > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > > and contradictory. > > > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > > > > > > -L- > > > > > > " You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows of > > > > authority..of dogma..of conclusion " > > > > NOR.. > > > > of preachment. > > Right, right But what happens when there is listening to > certain preachers is that the idea of the need of preachers > and preaching fall away. I know but one teacher, outside me > self, whose words of wisdom have made me turn away from him > and reject him and his teachings completely - and that is K > - and I find it so amazing, that I have no words for it. It > is a paradox. > > -Lene > > It is not a paradox at all. Appearences in all and any way are just that: > arisings, appearences. A rock, > a dog, a tree, a thought, K, geo........ and even bbb or werner. None can > tell from where the next rabbit will jump within the story that the ME is. > Just events....within the same old sea......of no-thingness/emptiness. > Someone called it " awaken space " - nice. > LOL > -geo- " 'SOMEONE' called it " awaken space " - nice. " .. and beforehand: " Just events..within the same old sea...of -NOTHINGNESS/EMPTINESS. " ???????????????? a " SOMEONE " in the NOTHINGNESS of EMPTINESS??? and this is NOT a paradox! ???? better get out your dictionary geoparado.... or at least start thinking a little bit before you click on " send " . that's just a ridiculous. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 04, 2010 10:47 AM > Re: Re: a good morning quote > > > > > - > Lene > Nisargadatta > Monday, January 04, 2010 9:32 AM > Re: a good morning quote > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > > > This light is the law. > > > > > > There is no other law. > > > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > > and contradictory. > > > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > > > > > > -L- > > > > > > " You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows of > > > > authority..of dogma..of conclusion " > > > > NOR.. > > > > of preachment. > > Right, right But what happens when there is listening to > certain preachers is that the idea of the need of preachers > and preaching fall away. I know but one teacher, outside me > self, whose words of wisdom have made me turn away from him > and reject him and his teachings completely - and that is K > - and I find it so amazing, that I have no words for it. It > is a paradox. > > -Lene > > It is not a paradox at all. Appearences in all and any way are just that: > arisings, appearences. A rock, > a dog, a tree, a thought, K, geo........ and even bbb or werner. None can > tell from where the next rabbit will jump within the story that the ME is. > Just events....within the same old sea......of no-thingness/emptiness. > Someone called it " awaken space " - nice. > > But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away from > him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of > authority then it is just natural that at one point you should reject ANY > other point of view but the only living one that you are. Any serious > man/women that have gone into this sufficiently have done it also....but > when I read some people there is a resonance and a falling back to that > oneness....and one knows that the writer is there to...in the " place " of > no-place. So I keep reading them for fun/joy. What is it that you rejected? > > -geo- LOL! OMG! let us review: *a posting from geo which we find on Mon Jan 4, 2010 8:47 am: It is not a paradox at all. Appearences in all and any way are just that: arisings, appearences. A rock,a dog, a tree, a thought, K, geo........ and even bbb or werner. None can tell from where the next rabbit will jump within the story that the ME is. Just events....within the same old sea......of no-thingness/emptiness. Someone called it " awaken space " - nice. LOL -geo- *the above was in reply to Lene's posting @ Mon Jan 4, 2010 7:32 am now in reply to the above ridiculous statement.. we have a posting from .b b.b. @ Mon Jan 4, 2010 11:36 am: " 'SOMEONE' called it " awaken space " - nice. " .. and beforehand: " Just events..within the same old sea...of -NOTHINGNESS/EMPTINESS. " ???????????????? a " SOMEONE " in the NOTHINGNESS of EMPTINESS??? and this is NOT a paradox! ???? better get out your dictionary geoparado.... or at least start thinking a little bit before you click on " send " . that's just a ridiculous. ..b b.b. NOW THEN.. after realizing how stupid his first posting was.. we have geoparado now trying desperately.. to cover over his brain fart with a posting.. which is exactly the same but which now adds an addendum.. as an excuse or an attempted misfired explanation... which is designed to try and protect his lost pride. as anyone can see..it doesn't work. it doesn't even act as an air-freshener to cover the flatulence stink. what it's saying has NOTHINNG to do with paradoxes.. ....what they are or are not. it's just a silly and failed diversionary tactic.. that says absolutely diddly-squat. it's just a rambling on about nothing in particular.. and nothing cogent regarding the original post of Lene's.. nor the ridiculous reply that geo made re same as if in rebuttal... and thereby making the silly statement that in effect says that: a paradox is not a paradox because geo says so.. and that geo just wants to say anything whether sensible or not. you know..just pull the trigger on a bullshit shotgun.. without aim or intention or intelligence.. and see if (oh dear God PLEASE!).. any of the bullshit shot sticks. anyway..for your fun and enjoyment.. and lots of laughs.. we here re-post this abortion for all to once again see and say: say what???????????????? LOL! @ Mon Jan 4, 2010 12:59 pm: It is not a paradox at all. Appearences in all and any way are just that: arisings, appearences. A rock,a dog, a tree, a thought, K, geo........ and even bbb or werner. None can tell from where the next rabbit will jump within the story that the ME is. Just events....within the same old sea......of no-thingness/emptiness. Someone called it " awaken space " - nice. But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away from him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of authority then it is just natural that at one point you should reject ANY other point of view but the only living one that you are. Any serious man/women that have gone into this sufficiently have done it also....but when I read some people there is a resonance and a falling back to that oneness....and one knows that the writer is there to...in the " place " of no-place. So I keep reading them for fun/joy. What is it that you rejected? -geo- hee hee! yep..you read it right. can you imagine anyone even beginning to wonder.. what it is that is rejected? why hell ladies and gentlemen.. that which is going to be be rejected is provided.. in the very same ridiculous post which ends with the question. maybe that's part of a joke? makes me laugh anyway. just chill-axin'.. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2010 - geo Nisargadatta Monday, January 04, 2010 10:47 AM Re: Re: a good morning quote - Lene Nisargadatta Monday, January 04, 2010 9:32 AM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > This light is the law. > > > > There is no other law. > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > and contradictory. > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > > > -L- > > > " You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows of > > authority..of dogma..of conclusion " > > NOR.. > > of preachment. Right, right But what happens when there is listening to certain preachers is that the idea of the need of preachers and preaching fall away. I know but one teacher, outside me self, whose words of wisdom have made me turn away from him and reject him and his teachings completely - and that is K - and I find it so amazing, that I have no words for it. It is a paradox. -Lene It is not a paradox at all. Appearences in all and any way are just that: arisings, appearences. A rock, a dog, a tree, a thought, K, geo........ and even bbb or werner. None can tell from where the next rabbit will jump within the story that the ME is. Just events....within the same old sea......of no-thingness/emptiness. Someone called it " awaken space " - nice. But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away from him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of authority then it is just natural that at one point you should reject ANY other point of view but the only living one that you are. Any serious man/women that have gone into this sufficiently have done it also....but when I read some people there is a resonance and a falling back to that oneness....and one knows that the writer is there to...in the " place " of no-place. So I keep reading them for fun/joy. What is it that you rejected? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Lene > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 AM > > a good morning quote > > > > > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > This light is the law. > > > > There is no other law. > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > and contradictory. > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > -L- > > > > There is not, never was or wil be other light but this one > > -geo- > > > > > pretty low-beam light though hey geopardo? > > but what the hay.. > > what's to see in any event right? > > and who's looking huh? > > and what events anyhow? > > with all that " not " stuff.. > > darkness is the key One would guess. > > screw that light..not in the socket either. > > besides.. > > it takes three Sons of Brazil to screw in a light bulb overhead.. > > one to hold the bulb.. > > and two to turn the ladder he's standing on. LOL To be a light to myself is to know I cannot rely on anything you tell me. As if you did not know that Hugs -L- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:35 AM > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > - > Lene > Nisargadatta > Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 AM > a good morning quote > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > This light is the law. > > There is no other law. > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > and contradictory. > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > (J Krishnamurti) > > -L- > > There is not, never was or wil be other light but this one. > Who is J Krishnamurti? > -geo- Ever heard of google? -L- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > This light is the law. > > There is no other law. > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > and contradictory. > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > (J Krishnamurti) > > -L- > > > there is no other choice than to be the light to oneself... > > such light include the connection/unity/oneness with appearent Gurus of whatever kind..... > > ... > > even if such connection/unity/oneness always has been... > > and ever will be > > ... > > there is nothing else than such connection/unity/oneness existing for real > > ... > > everything else is of worldly fantasies, worldly non-sense and worldly meaninglessness.....means ignorance > > > > Marc To be a light [to oneself] is to be alone How can I be one WITH somebody ... nonsense. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 To be a light [to oneself] is to be alone How can I be one WITH somebody ... nonsense. -Lene neither " Lene " nor " somebody " could be one with " Lene " or " somebody " ....true simply because " Lene " and this mentionned " somebody " are as real the world they could meet with " each " ... means, a nice fantasy .... a fantasy to enjoy.. or to don't enjoy .... up to " Lene " .... with or without this " somebody " ... .... lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away from > him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of > authority then it is just natural Ok. A teacher, guru, authority tells me to not obey any authority, only find out about things for myself. It mekas (lovely word) sense to me - and subsequently I reject the authority and whatever he told me. Rejecting him and obeying him is the same. That is the paradox. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away from > > him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of > > authority then it is just natural > > > > Ok. > > A teacher, guru, authority tells me to not obey any authority, > only find out about things for myself. > > It mekas (lovely word) sense to me - and subsequently I reject > the authority and whatever he told me. > > Rejecting him and obeying him is the same. > > That is the paradox. > > -Lene Geo - I have had a lot of fun with this enigma over the years. The question is - is it not? -- what the hell can I do to not obey such a clever authority? If I reject this authority - I obey him, I do what he told me to. If I do not reject him - I dis-obey him -- but dis-obeying his authority is to accept it - and that I cannot do if I am to do what he told me - namely to not obey him - and thus be a light to myself. Oh, well - if you (anybody) see something I have not seen - do enlighten me, please. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 - Lene Nisargadatta Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:18 AM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away > from > him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of > authority then it is just natural Ok. A teacher, guru, authority tells me to not obey any authority, only find out about things for myself. It mekas (lovely word) sense to me - and subsequently I reject the authority and whatever he told me. Rejecting him and obeying him is the same. That is the paradox. -Lene Your rejection is not a result of obedience - I suppose - but the consequence of the event " reading K and deeply understanding his words, where he is coming from, and the sense of looking/seeing the same " . What remains is his particular nomenclature, the particular language he uses to point, his particular ability to inspire. My life is just a history..... " another " may be part of my history, just as 14 billions years since the big bang are also just part of my history. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > >Geo: But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away from > > > him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of > > > authority then it is just natural > > > > > > > >L: Ok. > > > > A teacher, guru, authority tells me to not obey any authority, > > only find out about things for myself. > > > > It mekas (lovely word) sense to me - and subsequently I reject > > the authority and whatever he told me. > > > > Rejecting him and obeying him is the same. > > > > That is the paradox. > > > > -Lene > > > Geo - I have had a lot of fun with this enigma over the years. > > L: The question is - is it not? -- what the hell can I do to not > obey such a clever authority? > > If I reject this authority - I obey him, I do what he told me > to. > > If I do not reject him - I dis-obey him -- but dis-obeying his > authority is to accept it - and that I cannot do if I am to do > what he told me - namely to not obey him - and thus be a light > to myself. > > Oh, well - if you (anybody) see something I have not seen - do > enlighten me, please. > > -Lene P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our brains learned through imitation and repetition. We find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. Pete > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Lene > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:18 AM > Re: a good morning quote > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away > > from > > him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of > > authority then it is just natural > > Ok. > > A teacher, guru, authority tells me to not obey any authority, > only find out about things for myself. > > It mekas (lovely word) sense to me - and subsequently I reject > the authority and whatever he told me. > > Rejecting him and obeying him is the same. > > That is the paradox. > > -Lene > > Your rejection is not a result of obedience - I suppose - but the > consequence of the event " reading K and deeply understanding his words, > where he is coming from, and the sense of looking/seeing the same " . Yes. Thanks. Glad you said that. The paradox was thought-created. Typical for philosophers -Lene What > remains is his particular nomenclature, the particular language he uses to > point, his particular ability to inspire. My life is just a history..... > " another " may be part of my history, just as 14 billions years since the big > bang are also just part of my history. > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Geo: But what you are calling a paradox is not that. It is the turning away from > > > > him and reject him and his teachings completely. If it is a rejection of > > > > authority then it is just natural > > > > > > > > > > > >L: Ok. > > > > > > A teacher, guru, authority tells me to not obey any authority, > > > only find out about things for myself. > > > > > > It mekas (lovely word) sense to me - and subsequently I reject > > > the authority and whatever he told me. > > > > > > Rejecting him and obeying him is the same. > > > > > > That is the paradox. > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > Geo - I have had a lot of fun with this enigma over the years. > > > > L: The question is - is it not? -- what the hell can I do to not > > obey such a clever authority? > > > > If I reject this authority - I obey him, I do what he told me > > to. > > > > If I do not reject him - I dis-obey him -- but dis-obeying his > > authority is to accept it - and that I cannot do if I am to do > > what he told me - namely to not obey him - and thus be a light > > to myself. > > > > Oh, well - if you (anybody) see something I have not seen - do > > enlighten me, please. > > > > -Lene > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > Pete Agreed. The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, frosty day in order to keep warm. Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Lene > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 AM > > > a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > " One has to be a light to oneself. > > > > > > This light is the law. > > > > > > There is no other law. > > > > > > All the other laws are made by thought and so are fragmentary > > > and contradictory. > > > > > > To be a light to oneself is not to follow the light of another, > > > however reasonable, logical, historical, and however convincing. > > > > > > You cannot be a light to yourself if you are in the dark shadows > > > of authority, of dogma, of conclusion. " > > > > > > (J Krishnamurti) > > > > > > -L- > > > > > > There is not, never was or wil be other light but this one > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > pretty low-beam light though hey geopardo? > > > > but what the hay.. > > > > what's to see in any event right? > > > > and who's looking huh? > > > > and what events anyhow? > > > > with all that " not " stuff.. > > > > darkness is the key One would guess. > > > > screw that light..not in the socket either. > > > > besides.. > > > > it takes three Sons of Brazil to screw in a light bulb overhead.. > > > > one to hold the bulb.. > > > > and two to turn the ladder he's standing on. > > > LOL > > To be a light to myself is to know > I cannot rely on anything > you tell me. > > As if you did not know that > > Hugs > -L- to know that you know... is listening to a rumor from an unreliable source. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > Pete > > > > Agreed. > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > -Lene P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. There is no problem. All is happening by itself, happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace. That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or the now itself. All is well. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 > > > to know that you know... > > is listening to a rumor from an unreliable source. > > :-) > > .b b.b. P: Ha,ha! Excellent. Can I quote you on that? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > -Lene > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > the now itself. All is well. D: Well-said. And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. Thus, happenings aren't happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > to know that you know... > > > > is listening to a rumor from an unreliable source. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > P: Ha,ha! Excellent. Can I quote you on that? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > -Lene > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > the now itself. All is well. > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles on a shirt. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > -Lene > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > on a shirt. Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > on a shirt. > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > - Dan - no. that's not what the metaphor refers to. in other words.. you're as mixed up about metaphors as you are everything else. and when it comes to nothing..forget about it. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > Pete > > > > Agreed. > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > -Lene P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. There is no problem. All is happening by itself, happenings vanish by themselves without leaving a trace. That on which happenings come and go, remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or the now itself. All is well. geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
