Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > on a shirt. > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > - Dan - > > > no. > > that's not what the metaphor refers to. > > in other words.. > > you're as mixed up about metaphors as you are everything else. > > and when it comes to nothing..forget about it. > > .b b.b. The brain is a happening. It is a wrinkle on the shirt, as are any happenings. You think you know what the metaphor means, but you're relying on a rumor from an unreliable source. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > that? > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > on a shirt. > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > - Dan - > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. Yes, quite so. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > no. > > > > that's not what the metaphor refers to. > > > > in other words.. > > > > you're as mixed up about metaphors as you are everything else. > > > > and when it comes to nothing..forget about it. > > > > .b b.b. > > > The brain is a happening. > > It is a wrinkle on the shirt, as are any happenings. > > You think you know what the metaphor means, but you're relying on a rumor from an unreliable source. > > > - D - there's nothing happening dabbo. baba doesn't know anything. there are no sources. don't rely on quoting rumors about rumors from unreliable sources. they never happened. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > that? > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > on a shirt. > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > - Dan - > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > Yes, quite so. > > - D - quite quite quite quite quite.. right right right right right.. yes yes yes yes yes.. sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. ahem.. but i must disagree old chaps. t's not quite like that lads.. it's not quite like anything really.. no it's not. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:27 PM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > -Lene > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > the now itself. All is well. > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles on a shirt. geo>Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > -Lene > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > that? > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > on a shirt. Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. - Dan - geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by that? > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > > > that's not what the metaphor refers to. > > > > > > in other words.. > > > > > > you're as mixed up about metaphors as you are everything else. > > > > > > and when it comes to nothing..forget about it. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > The brain is a happening. > > > > It is a wrinkle on the shirt, as are any happenings. > > > > You think you know what the metaphor means, but you're relying on a rumor from an unreliable source. > > > > > > - D - > > > there's nothing happening dabbo. > > baba doesn't know anything. > > there are no sources. > > don't rely on quoting rumors about rumors from unreliable sources. > > they never happened. > > .b b.b. exactly, babbo. you never happened to say anything about what didn't happen. this conversation didn't happen. sherlock holmes didn't happen. shit didn't happen. no shit. - .d d.d. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > - D - > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > right right right right right.. > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > ahem.. > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > no it's not. > > .b b.b. it's not, it's not, it's not. it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. like, like, it's not happening, man. you're a real not-happening dude. no, not really. d. .d.d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > - Dan - > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > Yes, quite so. > > - D - > > The shirt is unafected by arisings and vanishings, birth and death. The > shirt is not other then birth or death. > -geo- The shirt is ever unborn. Birth and death therefore a hill of beans, and not other than not-birth, not-death. - deo - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > > > right right right right right.. > > > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > > > ahem.. > > > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > > > no it's not. > > > > .b b.b. > > > it's not, it's not, it's not. > > it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. > > ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. > > like, like, it's not happening, man. > > you're a real not-happening dude. > > no, not really. > > d. .d.d you wish. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > The shirt is unafected by arisings and vanishings, birth and death. The > shirt is not other then birth or death. > > Since I see that some other knows what the shirt is I dont mind him calling > it awareness or absolute or ultimate. The shirt is unamable anyway... > -geo- Any naming of anything is a naming of the nameless shirt. Yet, someone hitting a nail into a board asks to be handed a " hammer, " not an " aardvark. " A nurse loading a syringe for a patient must be very precise about the name of the medication, and the amount. Naming can be very precise; how words are used can make a difference of life and death - yet nothing is named. Context is everything, yet there is is no ultimate context, and therefore no relative context. Still, I want to fill my car with gasoline, not water. Context is everything, and nothing. - deo - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > well damn dabbo.. > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > you might as well shut up then. > > good job little guy. > > .b b.b. i haven't said anything. d. .d.d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > > > > > right right right right right.. > > > > > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > > > > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > > > > > ahem.. > > > > > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > > > > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > > > > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > > > > > no it's not. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > it's not, it's not, it's not. > > > > it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. > > > > ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. > > > > like, like, it's not happening, man. > > > > you're a real not-happening dude. > > > > no, not really. > > > > d. .d.d > > > you wish. > > .b b.b. you wish that i wish. i don't. d. .d.d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > well damn dabbo.. > > > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > > > you might as well shut up then. > > > > good job little guy. > > > > .b b.b. > > i haven't said anything. > > d. .d.d by saying that you haven't said anything you've said something. and it's bullshit. be wrong it's ok. you seem to like it that way. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > > > > > > > right right right right right.. > > > > > > > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > > > > > > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > > > > > > > ahem.. > > > > > > > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > > > > > > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > > > > > > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > > > > > > > no it's not. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > it's not, it's not, it's not. > > > > > > it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. > > > > > > ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. > > > > > > like, like, it's not happening, man. > > > > > > you're a real not-happening dude. > > > > > > no, not really. > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > you wish. > > > > .b b.b. > > > you wish that i wish. > > i don't. > > > d. .d.d that's another wish. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > > > > > > > right right right right right.. > > > > > > > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > > > > > > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > > > > > > > ahem.. > > > > > > > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > > > > > > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > > > > > > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > > > > > > > no it's not. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > it's not, it's not, it's not. > > > > > > it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. > > > > > > ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. > > > > > > like, like, it's not happening, man. > > > > > > you're a real not-happening dude. > > > > > > no, not really. > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > you wish. > > > > .b b.b. > > > you wish that i wish. > > i don't. > > > d. .d.d > We wishhh you a merry christmas, we... oh wait. Never mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > > > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > > > > > > > > > right right right right right.. > > > > > > > > > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > > > > > > > > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > > > > > > > > > ahem.. > > > > > > > > > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > > > > > > > > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > > > > > > > > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > > > > > > > > > no it's not. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not, it's not, it's not. > > > > > > > > it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. > > > > > > > > ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. > > > > > > > > like, like, it's not happening, man. > > > > > > > > you're a real not-happening dude. > > > > > > > > no, not really. > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > > > > you wish. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > you wish that i wish. > > > > i don't. > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > We wishhh you a merry christmas, we... oh wait. Never mind. there's no mind to never. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > well damn dabbo.. > > > > > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > > > > > you might as well shut up then. > > > > > > good job little guy. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > i haven't said anything. > > > > d. .d.d > > > by saying that you haven't said anything you've said something. > > and it's bullshit. > > be wrong it's ok. > > you seem to like it that way. > > .b b.b. i'm saying that nothing has been said. regardless of whether you think something was said. you said nothing happens. so i guess, now you take it back. because you want something to have been said. so you can argue about it. LOL. - .d d.d. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > -Lene > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > the now itself. All is well. > > > Perhaps, it's a case of " all's well that ends well " . And we all face the same ending just as we *faced* the same beginning. Yet who knows what either is? And if one doesn't know what is, how could one know what is not? Happenings, however, are as clear as the nose on your face... especially should someone punch it, or you bite it off to spite it (your face). ~Anna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > well damn dabbo.. > > > > > > > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > > > > > > > you might as well shut up then. > > > > > > > > good job little guy. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > i haven't said anything. > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > by saying that you haven't said anything you've said something. > > > > and it's bullshit. > > > > be wrong it's ok. > > > > you seem to like it that way. > > > > .b b.b. > > > i'm saying that nothing has been said. > > regardless of whether you think something was said. > > you said nothing happens. > > so i guess, now you take it back. > > because you want something to have been said. > > so you can argue about it. > > LOL. > > - .d d.d. don't listen to baba. baba doesn't know anything. how many times in the timeless does he need say that? if you need an argument start without .b b.b. in a timely fashion. you already have. it doesn't amount to anything. it never does. never mind. there's no mind to never. this is not a word game. " this " is a word. that is a game. everything is awesome sauce with gravy. BLESSED IS HE who has won the friendship of an old dog. baba always wanted to be a dinosaur.. baba wanted to be a Tyrannosaurus Rex more than anything.. baba made his arms short and he roamed the back yard.. he chased the neighborhood cats. it all depend on what's dancing on top of a number 9. if you understand nothing... nothing more needs to be said. nothing has been said. so don't be so argumentative. somewhere it's late in the day. have you no respect? that sucks. doesn't it all? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:13 PM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > that? > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > on a shirt. > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > - Dan - > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. Yes, quite so. - D - The shirt is unafected by arisings and vanishings, birth and death. The shirt is not other then birth or death. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 - geo Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:14 PM Re: Re: a good morning quote - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:13 PM Re: a good morning quote Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > that? > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > on a shirt. > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > - Dan - > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. Yes, quite so. - D - The shirt is unafected by arisings and vanishings, birth and death. The shirt is not other then birth or death. Since I see that some other knows what the shirt is I dont mind him calling it awareness or absolute or ultimate. The shirt is unamable anyway... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well damn dabbo.. > > > > > > > > > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > > > > > > > > > you might as well shut up then. > > > > > > > > > > good job little guy. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > i haven't said anything. > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > > > > by saying that you haven't said anything you've said something. > > > > > > and it's bullshit. > > > > > > be wrong it's ok. > > > > > > you seem to like it that way. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > i'm saying that nothing has been said. > > > > regardless of whether you think something was said. > > > > you said nothing happens. > > > > so i guess, now you take it back. > > > > because you want something to have been said. > > > > so you can argue about it. > > > > LOL. > > > > - .d d.d. > > > don't listen to baba. dsfioaopdsafiPO*(S(0difpodf./ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well damn dabbo.. > > > > > > > > > > > > you're finally getting that there's nothing to get. > > > > > > > > > > > > you might as well shut up then. > > > > > > > > > > > > good job little guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > i haven't said anything. > > > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > > > > > > > by saying that you haven't said anything you've said something. > > > > > > > > and it's bullshit. > > > > > > > > be wrong it's ok. > > > > > > > > you seem to like it that way. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > i'm saying that nothing has been said. > > > > > > regardless of whether you think something was said. > > > > > > you said nothing happens. > > > > > > so i guess, now you take it back. > > > > > > because you want something to have been said. > > > > > > so you can argue about it. > > > > > > LOL. > > > > > > - .d d.d. > > > > > > don't listen to baba. > > dsfioaopdsafiPO*(S(0difpodf./ no. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:30 PM > > > > > > > Re: a good morning quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> " That on which happenings come and go " .....what do you mean by > > > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: I meant not a thing. Just a metaphor. > > > > > > > > When you say, my shirt is wrinkled, do you > > > > > > > > mean the wrinkles are different from the shirt? > > > > > > > > Conceptually they are, yet they have no separate > > > > > > > > existence. So happenings happen on " that' as wrinkles > > > > > > > > on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in other words, the brain is just a wrinkle on a shirt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The brain, consciousness and the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, quite so. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite quite quite quite quite.. > > > > > > > > > > right right right right right.. > > > > > > > > > > yes yes yes yes yes.. > > > > > > > > > > sniff sniff sniff sniff sniff.. > > > > > > > > > > ahem.. > > > > > > > > > > but i must disagree old chaps. > > > > > > > > > > t's not quite like that lads.. > > > > > > > > > > it's not quite like anything really.. > > > > > > > > > > no it's not. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not, it's not, it's not. > > > > > > > > it ain't, it ain't, it ain't. > > > > > > > > ain't it grand, that ungrand ain't. > > > > > > > > like, like, it's not happening, man. > > > > > > > > you're a real not-happening dude. > > > > > > > > no, not really. > > > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > > > > > > > you wish. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > you wish that i wish. > > > > i don't. > > > > > > d. .d.d > > > that's another wish. > > .b b.b. silly. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
