Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > P: It's this nonsensical going around with > false logic that is the braying of nondual > donkeys in heat, like positing an absurdity > like happenings neither have beginning nor ending, > and then to go on pretending the absurdity is a > prove fact deducting other absurdities from that. > > These philosophical donkeys need to read > nonduality for idiots: > > All that exists, appears as the illusion of two: > The universe and I. One it's seen the I doesn't > exist, only the One is left. The one is real, only > illusion is illusory: happenings are real, matter > is real, and yet ever appearing, changing, vanishing > to appear again. There is not a thing to affirm, or > negate in an universe without self. You are absolutely right When no me - not a thing - to affirm or negate. Not a thing -Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 10, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > > > = no duality = all is well. > > > > > > > > > " 'Round 'round git around, I'm not around ... " > > > > > > With apologies to the Beach Boys > > > > > > not to worry. > > > > they're not around either. > > > > even more not around than you dabbo. > > > > .b b.b. > > ba ba ba > > ba babba ann > > ba ba ba > > oh baba annnnnn > > come take my haaaanddd > > oh baba annnnnn > > you got me rockin' and rollin' rockin' and reelin' > > baba ann > > ba ba > > ba ba ba > > ann > > .d .D.d thanx dan :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > > > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > > > > = no duality = all is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > " 'Round 'round git around, I'm not around ... " > > > > > > > > With apologies to the Beach Boys > > > > > > > > > not to worry. > > > > > > they're not around either. > > > > > > even more not around than you dabbo. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ba ba ba > > > > ba babba ann > > > > ba ba ba > > > > oh baba annnnnn > > > > come take my haaaanddd > > > > oh baba annnnnn > > > > you got me rockin' and rollin' rockin' and reelin' > > > > baba ann > > > > ba ba > > > > ba ba ba > > > > ann > > > > .d .D.d > > > thanx dan > > :-) > > .b b.b. You are welcome, bob. Hey, I vote that every word posted anywhere by anyone can be read the same way. The word appears, it is looked at, one moves on to the next word. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The impossibility of disobeying authority is > > > > > > > > > > almost absolute. Disobeying one particular authority > > > > > > > > > > is easy, disobeying all authority is impossible because > > > > > > > > > > our very mind was creating by accepting the teachings > > > > > > > > > > and authority of parents, teachers, and friends. Our > > > > > > > > > > brains learned through imitation and repetition. We > > > > > > > > > > find great reassurance in repeating patterns even when > > > > > > > > > > useless, therefore our fascination with ritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The brain of apes, because less culturally imprinted, > > > > > > > > > > are freer than our own to be a light unto themselves. > > > > > > > > > > Even when we choose to rebel against our culture, the > > > > > > > > > > ways of rebelling are also dictated by that same > > > > > > > > > > culture. Even if we choose to become a forest hermit, > > > > > > > > > > we can't leave our society programmed mind behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prisoners can escape, but the prison cannot escape itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only solution I can see is to shut up - be thought-free > > > > > > > > > but that solution is like peeing in one's panties on a cold, > > > > > > > > > frosty day in order to keep warm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we can keep stating facts - but whether it's > > > > > > > > > doing the world any good or not -hm- does not look like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: The way I see it, no solution is needed. > > > > > > > > There is no problem. All is happening by itself, > > > > > > > > happenings vanish by themselves without leaving > > > > > > > > a trace. That on which happenings come and go, > > > > > > > > remains pristine, unmarked by either memories or > > > > > > > > the now itself. All is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Well-said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that the " that " and the " happenings " are not-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, happenings aren't happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! I liked that > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > Not feeling well today, still all is well. Looks like all > > > > > > I need is to not be round. I is the observer. No observer > > > > > > = no duality = all is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 'Round 'round git around, I'm not around ... " > > > > > > > > > > With apologies to the Beach Boys > > > > > > > > > > > > not to worry. > > > > > > > > they're not around either. > > > > > > > > even more not around than you dabbo. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ba ba ba > > > > > > ba babba ann > > > > > > ba ba ba > > > > > > oh baba annnnnn > > > > > > come take my haaaanddd > > > > > > oh baba annnnnn > > > > > > you got me rockin' and rollin' rockin' and reelin' > > > > > > baba ann > > > > > > ba ba > > > > > > ba ba ba > > > > > > ann > > > > > > .d .D.d > > > > > > thanx dan > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > You are welcome, bob. > > Hey, I vote that every word posted anywhere by anyone can be read the same way. > > The word appears, it is looked at, one moves on to the next word. > > > > - D - thanx dabbo. sorry for that " dan " slip. i was insulting you. that wasn't a slip though. the spelling was wrong that's all. LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. get off your lazy ass and VOTE dabbo. [.bx3] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
