Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Werner wrote... > Yes, Toomb,> there is no self, neiter big or litte, because the self is you. What is called the big Self is just another name for the void.> Werner And God shouted out in a might thundering voice to them assess...(errrrr..."the masses")... "Stop calling me names!" How many times do I have to tell you this?" :-)) ~M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the self is seen as a temporary manifestation......as a highly evolved conceptual apparatus......it takes on a most radiant hue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You cannot see the self as a conceptual apparatus simply because it is no conceptual apparatus. > > > > > > > > > > The self is a bundle of conditioned reflexes, of likes and dislikes, of the influences of your personal past, your family, teachers, friends and all your relationships, etc. It is all the associations from your personal history still influencing and coloring your presence. > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how long it needs til you finally grasp that the self is no concept. The self is you. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot conceive of its own absence. > > > > > > > > There is another perspective through which the world is experienced.....but it is not confined to the subject-object dichotomy....and cannot be captured by the concepts that are themselves the very cause of the apparent separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hell of a problem eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toomb, > > > > > > You are the self and you cannot escape yourself simply because you are that. > > > > > > All those philosophies, concepts, ideas and mental tricks won't help to escape yourself because the escaper is that he wants to escape from, the escaper is the escaped from. > > > > > > Any idea, concept or philosophy one hopes to losen the grip of the self with is just further escapes. > > > > > > Facing onself as one is without any escape is what the teaching of Nis is about. Ok, it is not that obvious and direct as UG's but it is. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > there is self and Self > > > > there is self because of Self > > > > there is Self because of self > > > > ... > > > > self and world are One > > > > ... > > > > self and/incl. world are constantly in move > > > > ... > > > > Self isn't in move > > > > ... > > > > self and worlds are coming and going > > > > ... > > > > Self isn't coming and going > > > > .. > > > > Awareness is melting self and Self to One emptyness, nothingness > > > > ... > > > > such emptyness and nothingness Alone is real > > > > ... > > > > worlds and selfs are nothing but fictions > > > > ... > > > > coming and going > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > There is no self......big or little. > > > toombaru > is this what your mind is painting?....i mean studying? lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > There is awareness that somehow got embodied. Sometimes it > > feels vast, sometimes it feels insignificant. > > > > ~A > > A lot of people seem to talk about " embodied awareness " or " embodied nondual awareness " ... > > Awareness isn't embodied, nor is it disembodied. > > One is aware of the body and bodily feelings. > > Whatever one is aware of, one is aware of. > > Whatever one is aware of, is seemingly real at the time. > > It's real enough to be aware of, whatever it is. > > At the exact moment of being aware, immediacy, what is one aware of? > > Without involving memory and time? > > What is this? > > It certainly can't be put into the categories of " embodied " or something else, like " disembodied. " > > The body is a construction involving memory and time. So are feelings and thoughts. > > What is this? > > > - D - > where there is " awareness " ....there is nothing and nobody..... ..... imagine one is reading a story....reading a book....telling the whole life story.....in which oneself is playing a role..... .... and then...the books get closed... ... finish the story .... finish the role .... finish a world filled up with the life of somebody... .... awareness is remaining Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - a body > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was born. > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the body? > > > -geo- > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the world " . > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > - D - Yes, it really doesn't make sense verbally -- as the opposite of 'appearing' is easily imagined as a blank nothingness, or field of whiteness, or what have you. I know what you're getting at, and it has nothing to do with an opposite to appearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - a body > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was born. > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the body? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the world " . > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > - D - > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very dichotomy that it questions. Hell of a problem eh? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Yes, Toomb, there is no self, neiter big or litte, because the self is you. What is called the big Self is just another name for the void. Werner Is this void part of consciusness? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - a body > > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was born. > > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the body? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the world " . > > > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very dichotomy that it questions. > > > Hell of a problem eh? Verbally speaking, sure. " Direct/perceptually " , no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Yes, Toomb, > > there is no self, neiter big or litte, because the self is you. What is > called the big Self is just another name for the void. > > Werner > > Is this void part of consciusness? > -geo- > Conceptual thought......followed to its limit.....comes to a solid....impenetrable wall. What is called the " void " is merely another mental construct....a part of the conceptual..self-referential manifold. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - a body > > > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was born. > > > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the body? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the world " . > > > > > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very dichotomy that it questions. > > > > > > Hell of a problem eh? > > Verbally speaking, sure. > > " Direct/perceptually " , no. > There is no direct perception....and no one to have it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:33 PM > Re: Open Windows > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - > > > > a body > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was > > > > born. > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the > > > > body? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the > > > world " . > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then > > > disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > - D - > > Yes, it really doesn't make sense verbally -- as the opposite of 'appearing' > is easily imagined as a blank nothingness, or field of whiteness, or what > have you. > > I know what you're getting at, and it has nothing to do with an opposite to > appearing. > > geo> Yes, and nonetheless it is. > A blank canvas.......is still a canvas. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - a body > > > > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was born. > > > > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the body? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the world " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > > > > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > > > > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > > > > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > > > > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very dichotomy that it questions. > > > > > > > > > Hell of a problem eh? > > > > Verbally speaking, sure. > > > > " Direct/perceptually " , no. > > > > > > There is no direct perception....and no one to have it. > > > > toombaru Verbally speaking, sure ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - a body > > > > > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was born. > > > > > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the body? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the world " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > > > > > > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very dichotomy that it questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hell of a problem eh? > > > > > > Verbally speaking, sure. > > > > > > " Direct/perceptually " , no. > > > > > > > > > > > There is no direct perception....and no one to have it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Verbally speaking, sure ;-). > You gotta way to speak non-verbally? :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could say - a body > > > > > > > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world was born. > > > > > > > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with the body? > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the world " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very dichotomy that it questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hell of a problem eh? > > > > > > > > > > Verbally speaking, sure. > > > > > > > > > > " Direct/perceptually " , no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no direct perception....and no one to have it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Verbally speaking, sure ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > You gotta way to speak non-verbally? > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Certainly. Be silent. > A silent mind is speaking silence. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru > Nisargadatta > Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:39 PM > Re: Open Windows > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so > > > > > > > > be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we could > > > > > > > say - a body > > > > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a world > > > > > > > was born. > > > > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying with > > > > > > > the body? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of the > > > > > > world " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), > > > > > > and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > > > > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > > > > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > > > > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > > > > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very > > > dichotomy that it questions. > > > > > > > > > Hell of a problem eh? > > > > Verbally speaking, sure. > > > > " Direct/perceptually " , no. > > > > There is no direct perception....and no one to have it. > > toombaru > > There is direct perception...and no one to have it. > -geo- > Better. :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 - toombaru Nisargadatta Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:16 PM Re: Open Windows Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru > Nisargadatta > Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:39 PM > Re: Open Windows > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is awareness embodied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find fault with or need to add another description so > > > > > > > > be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is *yours* to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose not to mince words, Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets look at it. There is embodyment - as I see it. Or we > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > say - a body > > > > > > > of perceptions was born. Or...consciousness was born. Or a > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > was born. > > > > > > > Where is the I am? Is it not just focusing at, identifying > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > the body? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > The objective view: " I am born into the world, and die out of > > > > > > the > > > > > > world " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The non-objective view: " The world appears around me (is born), > > > > > > and then disappears from around me (dies) " . > > > > > > > > > > The world and the one to which it appears, is the same appearing. > > > > > > > > > > When nothing is appearing, there is no one there. > > > > > > > > > > So, does appearing ever really happen? > > > > > > > > > > This question cannot be answered verbally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question itself emerges from within....and confirms.... the very > > > dichotomy that it questions. > > > > > > > > > Hell of a problem eh? > > > > Verbally speaking, sure. > > > > " Direct/perceptually " , no. > > > > There is no direct perception....and no one to have it. > > toombaru > > There is direct perception...and no one to have it. > -geo- > Better. :-) toombaru Is there something unborn? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > > > There is direct perception...and no one to have it. > > -geo- > > > > > > Better. > > > :-) > > > > > toombaru There's GOT to be something better! I'm on a mission! ;-) ~A > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > Werner wrote... > > Yes, Toomb, > > > there is no self, neiter big or litte, because the self is you. What is called the big Self is just another name for the void. > > > Werner > > And God shouted out in a might thundering voice to them assess...(errrrr... " the masses " )... > " Stop calling me names! " How many times do I have to tell you this? " :-)) > > ~M And ? What do you try to express, Son of Adam ? Is your idea that the Self is God ? Man was not created by God but God was created by man, Amen. Werner > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2009 > And God shouted out in a might thundering voice to them assess...(errrrr..."the masses")...> "Stop calling me names!" How many times do I have to tell you this?" :-))> > ~MWerner spat out... > And ? What do you try to express, Son of Adam ? Still resorting to calling me names, huh? :-)) > Is your idea that the Self is God ? NThat's your generation, projection, I never said or implied that. > Man was not created by God but God was created by man, Amen.> Werner Bullshit! ~M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > And God shouted out in a might thundering voice to them assess...(errrrr... " the masses " )... > > " Stop calling me names! " How many times do I have to tell you this? " :-)) > > > > ~M > > Werner spat out... > > And ? What do you try to express, Son of Adam ? > > Still resorting to calling me names, huh? :-)) > > > Is your idea that the Self is God ? > > NThat's your generation, projection, I never said or implied that. > > > Man was not created by God but God was created by man, Amen. > > Werner > > Bullshit! > > ~M > Nobody created anything. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And God shouted out in a might thundering voice to them assess...(errrrr... " the masses " )... > > > " Stop calling me names! " How many times do I have to tell you this? " :-)) > > > > > > ~M > > > > Werner spat out... > > > And ? What do you try to express, Son of Adam ? > > > > Still resorting to calling me names, huh? :-)) > > > > > Is your idea that the Self is God ? > > > > NThat's your generation, projection, I never said or implied that. > > > > > Man was not created by God but God was created by man, Amen. > > > Werner > > > > Bullshit! > > > > ~M > > > > > > Nobody created anything. > > > > > toombaru > In the debate as to who is the Creator, God or Man, BULLSHIT wins! ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And God shouted out in a might thundering voice to them assess...(errrrr... " the masses " )... > > > " Stop calling me names! " How many times do I have to tell you this? " :-)) > > > > > > ~M > > > > Werner spat out... > > > And ? What do you try to express, Son of Adam ? > > > > Still resorting to calling me names, huh? :-)) > > > > > Is your idea that the Self is God ? > > > > NThat's your generation, projection, I never said or implied that. > > > > > Man was not created by God but God was created by man, Amen. > > > Werner > > > > Bullshit! > > > > ~M > > > > > > Nobody created anything. > > > > > toombaru > wherever there is a nobody like toombaru....who knows Nothing.... there is creation of imaginary worlds..... in which there is nobody but toombaru .... or, in other cases... in which there is nobody but God... .... or in other cases... in which there is Nothing but peace .... Amen lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > Yes, it really doesn't make sense verbally -- as the opposite of 'appearing' is easily imagined as a blank nothingness, or field of whiteness, or what have you. > > I know what you're getting at, and it has nothing to do with an opposite to appearing. Good point! - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
