Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:30 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:54 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:11 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has > > > > > > on > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels > > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > > old > > > > > > half > > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > > else......should > > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is > > > > > the > > > > > need > > > > > for a belief? > > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > > like > > > > > that > > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > > sitting > > > > > in > > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining > > > > > it. > > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > > bring > > > > > us > > > > > back to the questions: > > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there isn't. > > > > > > > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > > > > " picture " reality. > > > > > > > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > > > > > > > Its only reality is its own map. > > > > > > > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not part > > > > of > > > > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > > > > But...so...there is not the timeless? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. > > > Maybe them I can give you an honest answer. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I understand your position. You believe in what you can see, hear or > > > touch. > > > OK. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > And do you believe in what you can't see, hear or touch? > > > > toombaru > > > > My real nature is that, yes. Yours too. > > -geo- > > > > Nothing has a real nature. > > toombaru > > Whatever is is its real nature. There is no other nature - the unreal one. > That is duality. > -geo- > What is the real nature of a river? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:34 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:53 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > > understand mine. > > > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. > > > > Wordsspoken/writen > > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I've changed a little since last we spoke. > > > > > > If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go > > > along > > > so > > > you can update the picture you have of me. > > > > > > It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. > > > > > > I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily > > > videos. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know > > > clearly > > > what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > I have been with my wife almost every day for > > forty five........or so.......years. > > > > I really have no idea who or what she is. > > > > The point is that we human beings can never know each other at all...... > > > > We can't even know ourself. > > > > .....for one very good reason. > > > > toombaru > > > > That kind of knowing??!!! Of course not. That would be just a list of > > things. Real knowing is immediate and whole. > > -geo- > > > > Where did you hear that? > Do you know that for sure? > Any " knowing " requires duality. > And there is none. > > toombaru > > This is it. Nothing else. Nowhere else. > -geo- > " This " keeps moving......changing........ There is no " this " . " This " is merely the attempt by the conceptual mind to freeze-frame its perceptual input. .....a mental photograph....that means nothing.....except to the self-referential-mnemonic-loop of self. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:34 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:53 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > > > understand mine. > > > > > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. > > > > > Wordsspoken/writen > > > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've changed a little since last we spoke. > > > > > > > > If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go > > > > along > > > > so > > > > you can update the picture you have of me. > > > > > > > > It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. > > > > > > > > I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily > > > > videos. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know > > > > clearly > > > > what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I have been with my wife almost every day for > > > forty five........or so.......years. > > > > > > I really have no idea who or what she is. > > > > > > The point is that we human beings can never know each other at all...... > > > > > > We can't even know ourself. > > > > > > .....for one very good reason. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That kind of knowing??!!! Of course not. That would be just a list of > > > things. Real knowing is immediate and whole. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Where did you hear that? > > Do you know that for sure? > > Any " knowing " requires duality. > > And there is none. > > > > toombaru > > > > This is it. Nothing else. Nowhere else. > > -geo- > > > > > > " This " keeps moving......changing........ > > There is no " this " . > > " This " is merely the attempt by the conceptual mind to freeze-frame > its perceptual input. > > ....a mental photograph....that means nothing.....except to the > self-referential-mnemonic-loop of self. > > > toombaru Indeed... Thus, calling it " This " , or " Nothing " , or " Self " or " God " or " dopiruoerwe3 " , changes it not one iota. But, " correcting " other conceptualized entities is of interest to the conceptualized entity... .... the pastime of what isn't there. And when the browser window is closed... *poof*. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:44 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:30 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:54 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:11 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of > > > > > > which > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he > > > > > > has > > > > > > on > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels > > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 > > > > > > years > > > > > > old > > > > > > half > > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > > else......should > > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is > > > > > the > > > > > need > > > > > for a belief? > > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > > like > > > > > that > > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > > sitting > > > > > in > > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining > > > > > it. > > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > > bring > > > > > us > > > > > back to the questions: > > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there isn't. > > > > > > > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > > > > " picture " reality. > > > > > > > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > > > > > > > Its only reality is its own map. > > > > > > > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not > > > > part > > > > of > > > > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > > > > But...so...there is not the timeless? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. > > > Maybe them I can give you an honest answer. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I understand your position. You believe in what you can see, hear or > > > touch. > > > OK. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > And do you believe in what you can't see, hear or touch? > > > > toombaru > > > > My real nature is that, yes. Yours too. > > -geo- > > > > Nothing has a real nature. > > toombaru > > Whatever is is its real nature. There is no other nature - the unreal one. > That is duality. > -geo- > What is the real nature of a river? toombaru Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask that....the one that says that all is consciousness and there is no duality. The world is what it is, there is no real world out there somewhere. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:49 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:34 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:53 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > > understand mine. > > > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. > > > > Wordsspoken/writen > > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I've changed a little since last we spoke. > > > > > > If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go > > > along > > > so > > > you can update the picture you have of me. > > > > > > It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. > > > > > > I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily > > > videos. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know > > > clearly > > > what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > I have been with my wife almost every day for > > forty five........or so.......years. > > > > I really have no idea who or what she is. > > > > The point is that we human beings can never know each other at all...... > > > > We can't even know ourself. > > > > .....for one very good reason. > > > > toombaru > > > > That kind of knowing??!!! Of course not. That would be just a list of > > things. Real knowing is immediate and whole. > > -geo- > > > > Where did you hear that? > Do you know that for sure? > Any " knowing " requires duality. > And there is none. > > toombaru > > This is it. Nothing else. Nowhere else. > -geo- > " This " keeps moving......changing........ There is no " this " . " This " is merely the attempt by the conceptual mind to freeze-frame its perceptual input. .....a mental photograph....that means nothing.....except to the self-referential-mnemonic-loop of self. toombaru Yes. This is moving changing. Consider a cinema screen. You can look at the " things " moving on the screen, one by one, or you can sort of fall back and see that there is only one screen in a dark room. Consciousness is one screen being seen. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > What is the real nature of a river? > > toombaru > > Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real > nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask > that.... It isn't strange, because he actually believes there is " another " apart from him. Given that, questions are inevitable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:52 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > What is the real nature of a river? > > toombaru > > Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real > nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask > that.... It isn't strange, because he actually believes there is " another " apart from him. Given that, questions are inevitable. -t- Questions may be asked, aplles may be eaten...nothing changes the one fact. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:52 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > What is the real nature of a river? > > > > toombaru > > > > Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real > > nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask > > that.... > > It isn't strange, because he actually believes there is " another " apart from > him. > > Given that, questions are inevitable. > -t- > > Questions may be asked, aplles may be eaten...nothing changes the > one fact. > -geo- Of course not. And no one need say so, either ;-). " The silence just keeps getting more silent " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:52 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is the real nature of a river? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real > > > nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask > > > that.... > > > > It isn't strange, because he actually believes there is " another " apart from > > him. > > > > Given that, questions are inevitable. > > -t- > > > > Questions may be asked, aplles may be eaten...nothing changes the > > one fact. > > -geo- > > Of course not. And no one need say so, either ;-). > > " The silence just keeps getting more silent " . > And and all this silence stuff was said by a constantly chattering mind. Wow, wow, wow .... Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:52 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the real nature of a river? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real > > > > nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask > > > > that.... > > > > > > It isn't strange, because he actually believes there is " another " apart from > > > him. > > > > > > Given that, questions are inevitable. > > > -t- > > > > > > Questions may be asked, aplles may be eaten...nothing changes the > > > one fact. > > > -geo- > > > > Of course not. And no one need say so, either ;-). > > > > " The silence just keeps getting more silent " . > > > > > And and all this silence stuff was said by a constantly chattering mind. > > Wow, wow, wow .... > > Werner Werner has never been in Tim's mind to know how loud or silent it is. I won't even grace this constant " projection " with further response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > fewtch > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:52 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the real nature of a river? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real > > > > > nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask > > > > > that.... > > > > > > > > It isn't strange, because he actually believes there is " another " apart from > > > > him. > > > > > > > > Given that, questions are inevitable. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > Questions may be asked, aplles may be eaten...nothing changes the > > > > one fact. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Of course not. And no one need say so, either ;-). > > > > > > " The silence just keeps getting more silent " . > > > > > > > > > And and all this silence stuff was said by a constantly chattering mind. > > > > Wow, wow, wow .... > > > > Werner > > Werner has never been in Tim's mind to know how loud or silent it is. I won't even grace this constant " projection " with further response. > Oh Santa Hypocritus, Please help Tim to get more and more honest and so no longer to be such an escapist. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > fewtch > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:52 PM > > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the real nature of a river? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Its riverness. If you consider the water is waterness....There is no " real > > > > > > nature " apart from what it is. How strange that you should ask > > > > > > that.... > > > > > > > > > > It isn't strange, because he actually believes there is " another " apart from > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Given that, questions are inevitable. > > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > > > Questions may be asked, aplles may be eaten...nothing changes the > > > > > one fact. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Of course not. And no one need say so, either ;-). > > > > > > > > " The silence just keeps getting more silent " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > And and all this silence stuff was said by a constantly chattering mind. > > > > > > Wow, wow, wow .... > > > > > > Werner > > > > Werner has never been in Tim's mind to know how loud or silent it is. I won't even grace this constant " projection " with further response. > > > > > Oh Santa Hypocritus, > > Please help Tim to get more and more honest and so no longer to be such an escapist. > > Werner Oh my goodness... " everyone else in the world but me " (Werner) has such problems... such problems... what to do, what to do, in order to fix all these people? LOL... this is humorous, the degree of the projection, but still isn't worth any pretended dialogue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
