Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > sense > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > earth. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on the > > moon. > > > > You are an > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > half > > > questioning Santa. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > toombaru > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > need > > for a belief? > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - like > > that > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > -geo- > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god sitting > > in > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will bring > > us > > back to the questions: > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that your > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > questionings > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god as a > > separate entity. > > -geo- > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > understand mine. > > Impressive. > > toombaru > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > implicitly gives us a picture > -geo- > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > sense > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > earth. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on the > > moon. > > > > You are an > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > half > > > questioning Santa. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > toombaru > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > need > > for a belief? > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - like > > that > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > -geo- > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god sitting > > in > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will bring > > us > > back to the questions: > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, un-thinkable-nothingness? > > -geo- > > > > Actually there isn't. > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > " picture " reality. > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > Its only reality is its own map. > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > toombaru > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not part of > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > But...so...there is not the timeless? > -geo- > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. Maybe then I can give you an honest answer. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > understand mine. > > Impressive. > > toombaru > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > implicitly gives us a picture > -geo- > I've changed a little since last we spoke. If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go along so you can update the picture you have of me. It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily videos. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:06 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:56 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > sense > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > earth. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > the > > moon. > > > > You are an > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > half > > > questioning Santa. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > toombaru > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. > > Is that what you believe? > > toombaru > > I believe that your questioning of a separate god from what you are means > that your selflessness is conceptual. How could you question the existence > of a god that is not part of the one movement that is? > -geo- > So now its pictured as " one movement that is " eh? Well...that's a nice picture to hang in your prison cell. toombaru But then we can toss this back and forth like two 12 years old kids. You are imagining this...no, you are imagining that...no its you that is imagining that other. Not much fun. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:11 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > sense > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > earth. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > the > > moon. > > > > You are an > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > half > > > questioning Santa. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > toombaru > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > need > > for a belief? > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - like > > that > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > -geo- > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > sitting > > in > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will bring > > us > > back to the questions: > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > -geo- > > > > Actually there isn't. > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > " picture " reality. > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > Its only reality is its own map. > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > toombaru > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not part of > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > But...so...there is not the timeless? > -geo- > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. Maybe them I can give you an honest answer. toombaru I understand your position. You believe in what you can see, hear or touch. OK. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:12 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > sense > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > earth. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > the > > moon. > > > > You are an > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > half > > > questioning Santa. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > toombaru > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > need > > for a belief? > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - like > > that > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > -geo- > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > sitting > > in > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will bring > > us > > back to the questions: > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that your > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > questionings > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god as a > > separate entity. > > -geo- > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > understand mine. > > Impressive. > > toombaru > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > implicitly gives us a picture > -geo- > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. toombaru No they are not. But one can have a pretty good idea of what is going on after a while. One may be mystaken also. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > understand mine. > > Impressive. > > toombaru > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > implicitly gives us a picture > -geo- > I've changed a little since last we spoke. If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go along so you can update the picture you have of me. It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily videos. toombaru I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know clearly what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:06 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:56 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > > sense > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > the > > > moon. > > > > > > You are an > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > > half > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. > > > > Is that what you believe? > > > > toombaru > > > > I believe that your questioning of a separate god from what you are means > > that your selflessness is conceptual. How could you question the existence > > of a god that is not part of the one movement that is? > > -geo- > > > > So now its pictured as " one movement that is " eh? > > Well...that's a nice picture to hang in your prison cell. > > toombaru > > But then we can toss this back and forth like two 12 years old kids. You are > imagining this...no, you are imagining that...no its you that is imagining > that other. Not much fun. > -geo- > What do you think we've been doing all this time. And at least one of us is having fun. :-) You didn't really think that we were going to figure all this out did you? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:12 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > > sense > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > the > > > moon. > > > > > > You are an > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > > half > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > > need > > > for a belief? > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - like > > > that > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > -geo- > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > sitting > > > in > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will bring > > > us > > > back to the questions: > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that your > > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > > questionings > > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god as a > > > separate entity. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > understand mine. > > > > Impressive. > > > > toombaru > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > > implicitly gives us a picture > > -geo- > > > > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. > > toombaru > > No they are not. But one can have a pretty good idea of what is going on > > -geo- > How's that working out for you? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:48 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:12 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > the > > > > sense > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > the > > > moon. > > > > > > You are an > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > old > > > > half > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > else......should > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > > need > > > for a belief? > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > like > > > that > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > -geo- > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > sitting > > > in > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > bring > > > us > > > back to the questions: > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that your > > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > > questionings > > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god as a > > > separate entity. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > understand mine. > > > > Impressive. > > > > toombaru > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > > implicitly gives us a picture > > -geo- > > > > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. > > toombaru > > No they are not. But one can have a pretty good idea of what is going on > > -geo- > How's that working out for you? toombaru Not too well. I am not sure about what I am doing here. What for? Prove what? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > understand mine. > > > > Impressive. > > > > toombaru > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > > implicitly gives us a picture > > -geo- > > > > I've changed a little since last we spoke. > > If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go along so > you can update the picture you have of me. > > It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. > > I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily videos. > > toombaru > > I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know clearly > what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. > -geo- > I have been with my wife almost every day for forty five........or so.......years. I really have no idea who or what she is. The point is that we human beings can never know each other at all...... We can't even know ourself. ......for one very good reason. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:11 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which the > > > > sense > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > the > > > moon. > > > > > > You are an > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years old > > > > half > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone else......should > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > > need > > > for a belief? > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - like > > > that > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > -geo- > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > sitting > > > in > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will bring > > > us > > > back to the questions: > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Actually there isn't. > > > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > > " picture " reality. > > > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > > > Its only reality is its own map. > > > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not part of > > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > > But...so...there is not the timeless? > > -geo- > > > > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. > Maybe them I can give you an honest answer. > > toombaru > > I understand your position. You believe in what you can see, hear or touch. > OK. > -geo- > And do you believe in what you can't see, hear or touch? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:48 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:12 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > the > > > > > sense > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > > the > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > old > > > > > half > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > else......should > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > > > need > > > > for a belief? > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > like > > > > that > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > sitting > > > > in > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > bring > > > > us > > > > back to the questions: > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that your > > > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > > > questionings > > > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god as a > > > > separate entity. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > understand mine. > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. > > > > toombaru > > > > No they are not. But one can have a pretty good idea of what is going on > > > > -geo- > > > > How's that working out for you? > > toombaru > > Not too well. I am not sure about what I am doing here. What for? Prove > what? > -geo- > That's because you are looking in your bucket of words for answers to questions about words. :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:47 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:06 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:56 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > the > > > > > sense > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > > the > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > old > > > > > half > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > else......should > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. > > > > > > Is that what you believe? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I believe that your questioning of a separate god from what you are > > > means > > > that your selflessness is conceptual. How could you question the > > > existence > > > of a god that is not part of the one movement that is? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > So now its pictured as " one movement that is " eh? > > > > Well...that's a nice picture to hang in your prison cell. > > > > toombaru > > > > But then we can toss this back and forth like two 12 years old kids. You > > are > > imagining this...no, you are imagining that...no its you that is imagining > > that other. Not much fun. > > -geo- > > > > What do you think we've been doing all this time. > > And at least one of us is having fun. > > :-) > > You didn't really think that we were going to figure all this out did you? > > toombaru > > A confession: yes I did. I always do. But maybe I am even more stupid then I > thought... > -geo- > One has to be pretty darn smart to know that. LOL toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:47 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:06 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:56 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > > > the > > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > > old > > > > > > half > > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > > else......should > > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. > > > > > > > > Is that what you believe? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I believe that your questioning of a separate god from what you are > > > > means > > > > that your selflessness is conceptual. How could you question the > > > > existence > > > > of a god that is not part of the one movement that is? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > So now its pictured as " one movement that is " eh? > > > > > > Well...that's a nice picture to hang in your prison cell. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > But then we can toss this back and forth like two 12 years old kids. You > > > are > > > imagining this...no, you are imagining that...no its you that is imagining > > > that other. Not much fun. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > What do you think we've been doing all this time. > > > > And at least one of us is having fun. > > > > :-) > > > > You didn't really think that we were going to figure all this out did you? > > > > toombaru > > > > A confession: yes I did. I always do. But maybe I am even more stupid then I > > thought... > > -geo- > > > > > > > One has to be pretty darn smart to know that. > > > LOL > > > > > toombaru > I like where this thread is going. ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:53 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > understand mine. > > > > Impressive. > > > > toombaru > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > > implicitly gives us a picture > > -geo- > > > > I've changed a little since last we spoke. > > If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go along > so > you can update the picture you have of me. > > It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. > > I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily > videos. > > toombaru > > I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know > clearly > what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. > -geo- > I have been with my wife almost every day for forty five........or so.......years. I really have no idea who or what she is. The point is that we human beings can never know each other at all...... We can't even know ourself. ......for one very good reason. toombaru That kind of knowing??!!! Of course not. That would be just a list of things. Real knowing is immediate and whole. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:54 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:11 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > the > > > > sense > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > the > > > moon. > > > > > > You are an > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > old > > > > half > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > else......should > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > > need > > > for a belief? > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > like > > > that > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > -geo- > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > sitting > > > in > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > bring > > > us > > > back to the questions: > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Actually there isn't. > > > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > > " picture " reality. > > > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > > > Its only reality is its own map. > > > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not part > > of > > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > > But...so...there is not the timeless? > > -geo- > > > > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. > Maybe them I can give you an honest answer. > > toombaru > > I understand your position. You believe in what you can see, hear or > touch. > OK. > -geo- > And do you believe in what you can't see, hear or touch? toombaru My real nature is that, yes. Yours too. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:11 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:48 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:12 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > the > > > > > sense > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has > > > > > on > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels > > > > on > > > > the > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > old > > > > > half > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > else......should > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is > > > > the > > > > need > > > > for a belief? > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > like > > > > that > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > sitting > > > > in > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining > > > > it. > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > bring > > > > us > > > > back to the questions: > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that your > > > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > > > questionings > > > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god as > > > > a > > > > separate entity. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > understand mine. > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. > > > Wordsspoken/writen > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. > > > > toombaru > > > > No they are not. But one can have a pretty good idea of what is going on > > > > -geo- > > > > How's that working out for you? > > toombaru > > Not too well. I am not sure about what I am doing here. What for? Prove > what? > -geo- > That's because you are looking in your bucket of words for answers to questions about words. :-) toombaru Toomba...believe it or not. I am not looking for anything....except litlle tiny details that are not important. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:54 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:11 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > the > > > > > sense > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has on > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels on > > > > the > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > old > > > > > half > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > else......should > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is the > > > > need > > > > for a belief? > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > like > > > > that > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > sitting > > > > in > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining it. > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > bring > > > > us > > > > back to the questions: > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Actually there isn't. > > > > > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > > > " picture " reality. > > > > > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > > > > > Its only reality is its own map. > > > > > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not part > > > of > > > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > > > But...so...there is not the timeless? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. > > Maybe them I can give you an honest answer. > > > > toombaru > > > > I understand your position. You believe in what you can see, hear or > > touch. > > OK. > > -geo- > > > > And do you believe in what you can't see, hear or touch? > > toombaru > > My real nature is that, yes. Yours too. > -geo- > Nothing has a real nature. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:11 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:48 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:12 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has > > > > > > on > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels > > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > > old > > > > > > half > > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > > else......should > > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is > > > > > the > > > > > need > > > > > for a belief? > > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > > like > > > > > that > > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > > sitting > > > > > in > > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining > > > > > it. > > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > > bring > > > > > us > > > > > back to the questions: > > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > > > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that your > > > > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > > > > questionings > > > > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god as > > > > > a > > > > > separate entity. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > > understand mine. > > > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. > > > > Wordsspoken/writen > > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No they are not. But one can have a pretty good idea of what is going on > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > How's that working out for you? > > > > toombaru > > > > Not too well. I am not sure about what I am doing here. What for? Prove > > what? > > -geo- > > > > That's because you are looking in your bucket of words for answers to > questions about words. > > :-) > > toombaru > > Toomba...believe it or not. I am not looking for anything....except litlle > tiny details that are not important. > -geo- > To whom are they not important? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:53 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > understand mine. > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. Wordsspoken/writen > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > -geo- > > > > > > > I've changed a little since last we spoke. > > > > If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go along > > so > > you can update the picture you have of me. > > > > It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. > > > > I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily > > videos. > > > > toombaru > > > > I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know > > clearly > > what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. > > -geo- > > > > I have been with my wife almost every day for > forty five........or so.......years. > > I really have no idea who or what she is. > > The point is that we human beings can never know each other at all...... > > We can't even know ourself. > > .....for one very good reason. > > toombaru > > That kind of knowing??!!! Of course not. That would be just a list of > things. Real knowing is immediate and whole. > -geo- > Where did you hear that? Do you know that for sure? Any " knowing " requires duality. And there is none. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:30 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:54 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:11 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:02 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of which > > > > > the > > > > > sense > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he has > > > > > on > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels > > > > on > > > > the > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 years > > > > > old > > > > > half > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > else......should > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is > > > > the > > > > need > > > > for a belief? > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > like > > > > that > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > sitting > > > > in > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining > > > > it. > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > bring > > > > us > > > > back to the questions: > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Actually there isn't. > > > > > > Mind needs to convert its perceptual input into objects in order to > > > " picture " reality. > > > > > > It them mistakes the named objects for reality. > > > > > > Its only reality is its own map. > > > > > > No wonder if feels a little lost and invents a god to help it out. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes that happens indeed. But how could I invent a god that is not part > > > of > > > what is here. Would that god be somewhere out there? > > > But...so...there is not the timeless? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Bring some of the timeless stuff out here and let's take a look at it. > > Maybe them I can give you an honest answer. > > > > toombaru > > > > I understand your position. You believe in what you can see, hear or > > touch. > > OK. > > -geo- > > > > And do you believe in what you can't see, hear or touch? > > toombaru > > My real nature is that, yes. Yours too. > -geo- > Nothing has a real nature. toombaru Whatever is is its real nature. There is no other nature - the unreal one. That is duality. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:32 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:11 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:48 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:12 PM > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:03 PM > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:17 PM > > > > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > God is merely a by-product of the fear-based function out of > > > > > > which > > > > > > the > > > > > > sense > > > > > > of personal identity emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there were a God (which there is not a shred of evidence to > > > > > > support).......he is doing a worse job than Obama. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only hope that he can do a better job in heaven than he > > > > > > has > > > > > > on > > > > > > earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt. You still question the existence of a god. > > > > > > > > > > In the same sens that I have serious questions about purple angels > > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > moon. > > > > > > > > > > You are an > > > > > > pseudo-religious freak.... only half repented. Its like an 5 > > > > > > years > > > > > > old > > > > > > half > > > > > > questioning Santa. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you don't think that a five year old.....or anyone > > > > > else......should > > > > > question a ridiculous belief structure? > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe in a creator god geo? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I dont believe in anything at all. Everthing is or is not. What is > > > > > the > > > > > need > > > > > for a belief? > > > > > But regarding your questionings about god - that is what I meant - > > > > > like > > > > > that > > > > > 5 years old...there are still doubts concerning the issue there. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Toomba, I am regarding this issue in the way you put it. Some god > > > > > sitting > > > > > in > > > > > clouds and rulling our affairs. That is the way you are questining > > > > > it. > > > > > Now...one could look at this isue in a more serius tone. That will > > > > > bring > > > > > us > > > > > back to the questions: > > > > > -Is there an atemporal, spaceless, adimensional, > > > > > un-thinkable-nothingness? > > > > > > > > > > And more...questioning at the level youare doing it means that > > > > > your > > > > > selfless-state is imagination otherwise you could not put your > > > > > questionings > > > > > at that basic level of understanding: the organized religious god > > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > separate entity. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > > understand mine. > > > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. > > > > Wordsspoken/writen > > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Pictures of imaginary creatures are never accurate. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > No they are not. But one can have a pretty good idea of what is going > > > on > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > How's that working out for you? > > > > toombaru > > > > Not too well. I am not sure about what I am doing here. What for? Prove > > what? > > -geo- > > > > That's because you are looking in your bucket of words for answers to > questions about words. > > :-) > > toombaru > > Toomba...believe it or not. I am not looking for anything....except litlle > tiny details that are not important. > -geo- > To whom are they not important? toombaru This. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:34 PM Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:53 PM > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:55 PM > > Re: Acetylcholinesterase is Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > So.....you not only understand your own imaginary self.....you also > > > understand mine. > > > > > > Impressive. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Nothing mystic. All imaginary selfs are very similar. > > > Wordsspoken/writen > > > implicitly gives us a picture > > > -geo- > > > > > > > I've changed a little since last we spoke. > > > > If you would like.....I can forward what is happening to me as I go > > along > > so > > you can update the picture you have of me. > > > > It's pretty long......and I don't want to bore you. > > > > I know that you're changing to......so maybe I could send you daily > > videos. > > > > toombaru > > > > I am not sure I understood...but you are wellcome. Just let me know > > clearly > > what you dont want to make " public " .....and I will keep in mind. > > -geo- > > > > I have been with my wife almost every day for > forty five........or so.......years. > > I really have no idea who or what she is. > > The point is that we human beings can never know each other at all...... > > We can't even know ourself. > > .....for one very good reason. > > toombaru > > That kind of knowing??!!! Of course not. That would be just a list of > things. Real knowing is immediate and whole. > -geo- > Where did you hear that? Do you know that for sure? Any " knowing " requires duality. And there is none. toombaru This is it. Nothing else. Nowhere else. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > Nothing has a real nature. > > > > > toombaru Funny, ya keep saying 'nature' has a real nature ;-). " There is no love in nature " ... " there is no peace in nature " ... There is no nature, for 'nature' is a real nature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
