Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. I include the rives and the oceans. I list all the animals that science has named. I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that my teachers and parents told me. My list is over five thousand pages long. I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long before I will be able to see the Absolute. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that my teachers and parents told me. > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > toombaru > The relative: " I " . ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that my teachers and parents told me. > > > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > The relative: > > " I " . > > > ~A > I don't like most my relatives. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that my teachers and parents told me. > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > toombaru > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, constantly.....lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:01 PM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that > my teachers and parents told me. > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long > before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > toombaru > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, constantly.....lol Marc I dont think that consciousness must be seen sequentially, but spread out flat as a whole instead. Not flat at all of course, but this non-dimensional luminous conditioned manifestation in the infinite unlimited dark saloon. :>)) -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:01 PM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that > > my teachers and parents told me. > > > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long > > before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... > > the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... > > and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, > constantly.....lol > > Marc > > I dont think that consciousness must be seen sequentially, but spread out > flat as a whole instead. Not flat at all of course, but this non-dimensional > luminous conditioned manifestation in the infinite unlimited dark saloon. > :>)) > -geo- > It's hard to tell.....when you live on an island. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:01 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > > > > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > > > > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > > > > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > > > > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that > > > my teachers and parents told me. > > > > > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > > > > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long > > > before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... > > > > the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... > > > > and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, > > constantly.....lol > > > > Marc > > > > I dont think that consciousness must be seen sequentially, but spread out > > flat as a whole instead. Not flat at all of course, but this non-dimensional > > luminous conditioned manifestation in the infinite unlimited dark saloon. > > :>)) > > -geo- > > It's hard to tell.....when you live on an island. > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru > ....no man is an island...John Donne " All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated...As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness....No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:01 PM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that > > my teachers and parents told me. > > > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long > > before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... > > the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... > > and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, > constantly.....lol > > Marc > > I dont think that consciousness must be seen sequentially, but spread out > flat as a whole instead. Not flat at all of course, but this non-dimensional > luminous conditioned manifestation in the infinite unlimited dark saloon. > :>)) > -geo- > some take " the absolute " for " the consciousness " ..... how could the absolute have a moving and restless consciousness....?.... ridiculous Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:01 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > > > > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > > > > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > > > > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > > > > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything that > > > my teachers and parents told me. > > > > > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > > > > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long > > > before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... > > > > the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... > > > > and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, > > constantly.....lol > > > > Marc > > > > I dont think that consciousness must be seen sequentially, but spread out > > flat as a whole instead. Not flat at all of course, but this non-dimensional > > luminous conditioned manifestation in the infinite unlimited dark saloon. > > :>)) > > -geo- > > It's hard to tell.....when you live on an island. > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru > yeah....all this Living so called " non-dual " ....islands.... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:53 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:01 PM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything > > that > > my teachers and parents told me. > > > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long > > before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... > > the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... > > and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, > constantly.....lol > > Marc > > I dont think that consciousness must be seen sequentially, but spread out > flat as a whole instead. Not flat at all of course, but this > non-dimensional > luminous conditioned manifestation in the infinite unlimited dark saloon. > :>)) > -geo- > some take " the absolute " for " the consciousness " ..... how could the absolute have a moving and restless consciousness....?.... ridiculous Marc It was from nis. that I first read the possibility of the two situations. First, I am all, I am consciousness. In this situation, indeed, consciusness is all movement and I am it. I think the majority of the non-dualists belong to this group. The second situation is the groking of the ground of being. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:53 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:01 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I put all the states and all the capitols on the list. > > > > > > I put all the countries and all the cities that I can remember. > > > > > > I include the rives and the oceans. > > > > > > I list all the animals that science has named. > > > > > > I try to remember everything that I learned in school and everything > > > that > > > my teachers and parents told me. > > > > > > My list is over five thousand pages long. > > > > > > I think that once I get the other things listed that it won't be long > > > before I will be able to see the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > the absolute will never allow you to know all this things.... > > > > the whole list is shown daily....during deep sleep at night.... > > > > and, ....of course, to the united enlightented great non-dualists, > > constantly.....lol > > > > Marc > > > > I dont think that consciousness must be seen sequentially, but spread out > > flat as a whole instead. Not flat at all of course, but this > > non-dimensional > > luminous conditioned manifestation in the infinite unlimited dark saloon. > > :>)) > > -geo- > > > > some take " the absolute " for " the consciousness " ..... > > how could the absolute have a moving and restless consciousness....?.... > > ridiculous > > Marc > > It was from nis. that I first read the possibility of the two situations. > First, I am all, I am consciousness. In this situation, indeed, consciusness > is all movement and I am it. I think the majority of the non-dualists belong > to this group. The second situation is the groking of the ground of being. > -geo- > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... .... consciousness is related to whatever identity.....looking/being at whatever world..... everything/everybody is related and connected to each by such consciousness it's a very simple relation/conncetion...and explanation of Oneness.... .... indeed, for some non-dual freaks....that's It...already. .... they are simply running after their more or less deep intiution/inspirations they get ....as being a part of the whole.....acting/reacting.... " just like that " ....without any reasons etc....and, of course, without having any " ego " etc......bla bla bla ..... easy...and indeed, a very simple way and path...in order to remain ignorant....for infinite times. .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 what is "groking of the ground of being"?....-dt- Being the unchanging ground of the changing. -geo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > -dt- > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > -geo > " being the unchanging ground of the changing " ......why not directly..... " being the CREATOR of the changing " ....or other non-sense..... sorry...i can't hear anymore such fantastic statements..... and this fantastic egos staying/claiming to be the ground of whatever..... ...... would say that " geo " is the ground of himself....and if you want..... " geo " , included the unchanging, is the ground of himself Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > -dt- > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > -geo > There is no unchanging ground. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > -dt- > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > -geo > " being the unchanging ground of the changing " ......why not directly..... " being the CREATOR of the changing " ....or other non-sense..... geo> Sounds OK. So are you. Why nonesense? sorry...i can't hear anymore such fantastic statements..... and this fantastic egos staying/claiming to be the ground of whatever..... geo> What can I do? ...... would say that " geo " is the ground of himself....and if you want..... " geo " , included the unchanging, is the ground of himself geo> Geo is just a label for comunication purposes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:54 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > -dt- > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > -geo > There is no unchanging ground. Werner OK -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:54 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > -dt- > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > -geo > > > > There is no unchanging ground. > > Werner > > OK > -geo- That which we call " change " could certainly be called unchanging, as change never ceases changing ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > -dt- > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > -geo > > > > " being the unchanging ground of the changing " ......why not > directly..... " being the CREATOR of the changing " ....or other > non-sense..... > > geo> Sounds OK. So are you. Why nonesense? > > sorry...i can't hear anymore such fantastic statements..... > and this fantastic egos staying/claiming to be the ground of whatever..... > > geo> What can I do? > > ..... > > would say that " geo " is the ground of himself....and if you want..... " geo " , > included the unchanging, is the ground of himself > > geo> Geo is just a label for comunication purposes. lol what is your ground about? Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:59 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:54 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > -dt- > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > -geo > > > > There is no unchanging ground. > > Werner > > OK > -geo- That which we call " change " could certainly be called unchanging, as change never ceases changing ;-). -t- That is the " I am all " stand, or all is consciousness. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:19 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > -dt- > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > -geo > > > > " being the unchanging ground of the changing " ......why not > directly..... " being the CREATOR of the changing " ....or other > non-sense..... > > geo> Sounds OK. So are you. Why nonesense? > > sorry...i can't hear anymore such fantastic statements..... > and this fantastic egos staying/claiming to be the ground of whatever..... > > geo> What can I do? > > ..... > > would say that " geo " is the ground of himself....and if you > want..... " geo " , > included the unchanging, is the ground of himself > > geo> Geo is just a label for comunication purposes. lol what is your ground about? Marc ....ground about? Dont understand the question. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:19 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > > -dt- > > > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > > -geo > > > > > > > " being the unchanging ground of the changing " ......why not > > directly..... " being the CREATOR of the changing " ....or other > > non-sense..... > > > > geo> Sounds OK. So are you. Why nonesense? > > > > sorry...i can't hear anymore such fantastic statements..... > > and this fantastic egos staying/claiming to be the ground of whatever..... > > > > geo> What can I do? > > > > ..... > > > > would say that " geo " is the ground of himself....and if you > > want..... " geo " , > > included the unchanging, is the ground of himself > > > > geo> Geo is just a label for comunication purposes. > > lol > > what is your ground about? > > Marc > > ...ground about? Dont understand the question. > -geo- > what is the ground of " geo " ? Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:37 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:19 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > > -dt- > > > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > > -geo > > > > > > > " being the unchanging ground of the changing " ......why not > > directly..... " being the CREATOR of the changing " ....or other > > non-sense..... > > > > geo> Sounds OK. So are you. Why nonesense? > > > > sorry...i can't hear anymore such fantastic statements..... > > and this fantastic egos staying/claiming to be the ground of > > whatever..... > > > > geo> What can I do? > > > > ..... > > > > would say that " geo " is the ground of himself....and if you > > want..... " geo " , > > included the unchanging, is the ground of himself > > > > geo> Geo is just a label for comunication purposes. > > lol > > what is your ground about? > > Marc > > ...ground about? Dont understand the question. > -geo- > what is the ground of " geo " ? Marc Geo is a symbol that represents a localized organism/brain. Geos ground is consciousness and consciusness's ground is awareness. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:54 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > -dt- > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > -geo > > > > There is no unchanging ground. > > Werner > > OK > -geo- > Being is the unchanging ground of dissolution. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:19 AM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > > > -dt- > > > > > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > > > -geo > > > > > > > > > > " being the unchanging ground of the changing " ......why not > > > directly..... " being the CREATOR of the changing " ....or other > > > non-sense..... > > > > > > geo> Sounds OK. So are you. Why nonesense? > > > > > > sorry...i can't hear anymore such fantastic statements..... > > > and this fantastic egos staying/claiming to be the ground of whatever..... > > > > > > geo> What can I do? > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > would say that " geo " is the ground of himself....and if you > > > want..... " geo " , > > > included the unchanging, is the ground of himself > > > > > > geo> Geo is just a label for comunication purposes. > > > > lol > > > > what is your ground about? > > > > Marc > > > > ...ground about? Dont understand the question. > > -geo- > > > > > what is the ground of " geo " ? > > > Marc Geo, as a person? Imagination isn't grounded in anything. Or one could say, it's grounded in " self and other " , which is the flimsy basis from which much of mankind's 'thrashing about' takes place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:59 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:54 AM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > what is " groking of the ground of being " ?.... > > > -dt- > > > > > > Being the unchanging ground of the changing. > > > -geo > > > > > > > There is no unchanging ground. > > > > Werner > > > > OK > > -geo- > > That which we call " change " could certainly be called unchanging, as change > never ceases changing ;-). > -t- > > That is the " I am all " stand, or all is consciousness. > -geo- There's no need to take a stand, and in fact no way to do so. Thoughts arise, including notions like " I am taking a stand here " . No 'stand' ever actually happened, anywhere. The illusion that a " stand " could happen, is social, is based on " self and other " , and is imaginary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
