Guest guest Report post Posted August 15, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, August 14, 2009 7:08 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 14, 2009 6:20 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > your own. > > > > > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > > > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh > > > >Balseksar, > > > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. > > > >I'm > > > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess > > > >there > > > >is always a need by some for more gurus. > > > > If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. > > -d- > > > > There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis > > consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne > > negates > > it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain > > has > > been broken - at least. > > -geo- > > He thinks there is a lineage. > > And he thinks the lineage has to do with " no I is here. " > > - D - > > Who? Ram Tzu, Wayne Liquorman. The guy who thinks that Ramesh bequeathed to him a role in a lineage of teachers. - D - It seems so... ..-geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 3:57 PM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The gurus that you like are the one's who agree with your > > > > > > misconceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurus are great for those in their infancy. > > > > > > > > > > > > But if you want this......after a point......you must strike out on > > > > > > > your own. > > > > > > > > > > Watch out for Wayne, then ;-). > > > > > > > > > > Gurus who position as non-gurus are still gurus. > > > > > > > > > >Wayne's website shows images of Ramana, Nisargadatta, Ramesh Balseksar, > > > > >and Wayne Liquorman as if there were some kind of lineage going on. I'm > > > > >surprised that Balsekar would annoint Wayne as a Teacher. I guess there > > > > >is always a need by some for more gurus. > > > > > > If there is a lineage, there is a consistent teaching passed down. > > > -d- > > > > > > There is no consistent teaching passed down when it comes to wayne. Nis > > > consistently talks of that which is beyond consciousness, and wayne negates > > > it. There is no lineage at all. Something is wrong there....or the chain has > > > been broken - at least. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Correct. > > > > Wayne doesn't resonate with Nisargadatta at all. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > I agree that they speak really differently. > > But who knows who does or doesn't resonate with Nisargadatta? > > Nisargadatta is dead, and he would be the only one who could say that. > > Although it's nice of you to speak on Nisargadatta's behalf, kind of like his soul brother, knowing who resonates with that dead man and who doesn't. > > - D - > I was told by Wayne that he did not resonate with Nisargadatta. I tend to believe him. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > I was told by Wayne that he did not resonate with Nisargadatta. > > I tend to believe him. > > toombaru For what it's worth, I've read some text with him stating this, as well. Claiming he likes Ramesh, but finds Nisargadatta's words " fall totally flat " , or something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 4:41 PM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 7:13 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. Would you say is an on-off thing? > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world an on-off thing?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait....which world?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there a world?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure how to put it. > > > > > > > > > The end of the world is an on-off thing? > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no world for real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so there can also no be any end of any world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world you are talking about is made of pure fiction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some take such fiction for real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this cause endless problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the fictions go on...and on...and on.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > until the end of times... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who take it for realy real... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are poor souls and spirits.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their mind is restless.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no peace.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you take them for real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, why comment about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are worthy of commenting about, how unreal are they to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some are even proud of their ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in fact....pride and ignorance go together.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as many other feelings, emotions, fears, etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible to switch off any imaginary world....of imaginary little > > > > > > > > egos.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they don't know who they are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and don't know what they do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is the perfect playground for them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they need the world like the baby need the mother... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is realy " fine " in this their little imaginary ego & world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and never will be... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of a reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they will never understand..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore they leave all to an imaginary " God " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or to a mysterious " consciousness " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fools > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fools... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe yourself to exist in a superior place, looking > > > > > > > down on the fools with their egos? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't see the ego involved in this stance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking an ego to take a look good at itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombari > > > > > > > > > > No, not at all. > > > > > > > > > > I'm asking that which doesn't have a boundary to look at a stance being > > > > > assumed. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > If it already does not have a boundary why tell anything? > > > > > No....wait. > > > > > Are telling consciousness to look at the assumed illusion? > > > > > Makes more sense. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is incendiary when conceptual thought gets a look up its own skirts. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. > > > > > > It's not capable of looking, seeing, or knowing. > > > > > > Period. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > And yet......there occurs a catharsis in which the belief structure collapses. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > That's because there isn't any knowing coming out of it. > > - D - > So...........I don't have to pack a lunch? :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:19 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:18 AM > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as > > > > > > > > good..and > > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only madness existing....can only be yours.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is IT. Humans eat fruits and meat but not wood. Some humans > > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > excrements. I feel sick with that. I feel " somehting " whem children are > > > > > > > miss-treated. I feel " something " with atom bombs. Some love it. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you realy expect " something " different when the eyes of the identity > > > > > > called " geo " look at the world....?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is only about worldly things > > > > > > > > > > > > and ever will be... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not geo as some identity looking at the world - wake up! > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > si si geo.... > > > > > > > > > > the eyes of geo are seeing this your mentionned " bombs " .... > > > > > some other eyes are seeing something else... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Geo or marc can not look or see. Even consciousness can not see. > > > > > > > > > > geo can only see what he Is... > > > > > marc can only see what he Is... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Look carefully. Not geo and marc seeing. When there is seing what one > > > > > is - if that is really the case - then one is consciousness, one is > > > > > everything that falls upon the senses...whic is indeed the world. So now we > > > > > are ble to say " I am the world " - but not geo or marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up... > > > > > want to fight the bombs with some appearent others?.... > > > > > ...if so....you are already dead.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Did I say I want to fight bombs? Where? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > good... > > > > > > > > then everything is fine... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Everything is not fine. > > > > > > Everything is very far from fine. > > > > > > Indeed, there is rampant ugliness of apparently separated me's and their mutual self-admiration, self-lust, self-fear, acquisitiveness, blindness, panic, need for each other, fear of each other, aggression, obliviousness, cannibalism, destructiveness, self-destructiveness. > > > > > > This dream manifests choicelessly. > > > > > > If unfolds choicelessly. > > > > > > Its beginning is in its end. > > > > > > One aware is undisturbed by even the worse nightmare of manifesting images. > > > > > > I am this suffering. > > > > > > I am this fear. > > > > > > And thus, I am beyond this dream, in the midst of it. > > > > > > Not " I " as a particular I of a particular being. > > > > > > One is awake, choicelessly. > > > > > > Awareness manifests the dream, is the dream, and is as is, as the dream ends. > > > > > > Aware, this is the end of the dream, now. > > > > > > It is always the end of the world. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > ... > > > > but then.....now....here... > > > > there is the " end of the world " ....again... > > > > So, everything remain fine.....as ever before... > > > > > > Marc > > > The end of the world ... always ... timelessly. > > > Choicelessly. > > > The end of the commentator about the end of the world ... > > > -- D -- > ..... 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