Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM Re: Food Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > and time is emergence. > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > and a dog barks. > > and so on and so on and.. > > oh danny.. > > we worship at your feet. > > are you ok sport? > > .b b.b. What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. -tim- The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and " problems " arise. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:42 AM Re: Food Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > it never started. > > > > piss on it. > > > > love.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT > IS > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > never heard of the alamo > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there > is > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > call it " in any away. > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, > with > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we > play. D: you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). you have no basis for checking geo> Because there is none to do such checking. D:...you are the fear of losing everything that is all you are geo> I am not any something of consciousness, such as " fear of losing everything " . this is the barrier of no-barrier that has been pointed to for centuries " you " ( " I " ) die it's not pretty although it is sudden (no time is involved) - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM > Re: Food > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > oh danny.. > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > .b b.b. > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to > anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > -tim- > > The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and > " problems " arise. > -geo- Hey, I'm not complaining... it's a message board, after all :-p. They're all 99% noise, 1% signal AFAIC. Just curious why .b b.b. was going off all of a sudden on Dan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > > > > > Your thoughts?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? > > > > > > > > Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? > > > > > > > > The unconditional can't be reached by any means. > > > > > > > > No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. > > > > > > > > Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > if it's possible to ask it's possible to answer. > > > > > > you can make up the understanding part if you want. > > > > > > you do about everything else going on. > > > > > > why not that stuff? > > > > > > can you understand: > > > > > > walking or talking or shitting or fucking or warring or loving? > > > > > > if you can't understand what you see every day.. > > > > > > without making up the notion of your understanding any of it.. > > > > > > why not the stuff you can't see or hear or feel or think? > > > > > > it's easier to have contact with the real than the unreal. > > > > > > being unreal yourself you don't believe that. > > > > > > that's understandable. > > > > > > in fact.. > > > > > > it's the ONLY possibility for " you " or " me " . > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > what I remember as having happened today, never happened. > > > > being unreal yourself (myself), you (I) have no choice but to believe it happened. > > > > what is so, has never been contacted or recalled. > > > > This will never contact me. > > > > I die (now). > > > > This lives. > > > > Having always already consumed me, it has no awareness of me. > > > > This is awareness itself, without any awareness of self or of awareness. > > > > - d - > > > bullshit. > > .b b.b. love. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > > > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > > > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > > > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > > > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > > > > > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > > > > > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > > > > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > > > > > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > > > > > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > > > > > call it " in any away. > > > > > > > > > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > > > > > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > > > > > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > > > > > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > > > > > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > > > > > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > > > > > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, with > > > > > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > > > > > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > > > > > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > > > > > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we play. > > > > > > > > you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > > > > > > > you have no basis for checking > > > > > > > > you are the fear of losing everything > > > > > > > > that is all you are > > > > > > > > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > > > > > > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > > > > > > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > > > > > > > it's not pretty > > > > > > > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > time emerges as a golden stream. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > emergence is time. > > > > - d - > > and time is emergence. > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > and a dog barks. > > and so on and so on and.. > > oh danny.. > > we worship at your feet. > > are you ok sport? > > .b b.b. personalization. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM > Re: Food > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > oh danny.. > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > .b b.b. > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to > anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > -tim- > > The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and > " problems " arise. > -geo- Yes, passing through the eye of the needle, nothing is brought along. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > D: you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > you have no basis for checking > > geo> Because there is none to do such checking. D: Because there is no separation, no place to step back to, from which to check. > D:...you are the fear of losing everything > > that is all you are > > geo> I am not any something of consciousness, such as " fear of losing > everything " . D: I can't check, to say what I am or am not. The fear of losing, is the desire to be able to check something. That fear is the human being. The human being dissolves here. > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > it's not pretty > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > - d - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > > > > > > Your thoughts?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? > > > > > > > > > > Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? > > > > > > > > > > The unconditional can't be reached by any means. > > > > > > > > > > No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > if it's possible to ask it's possible to answer. > > > > > > > > you can make up the understanding part if you want. > > > > > > > > you do about everything else going on. > > > > > > > > why not that stuff? > > > > > > > > can you understand: > > > > > > > > walking or talking or shitting or fucking or warring or loving? > > > > > > > > if you can't understand what you see every day.. > > > > > > > > without making up the notion of your understanding any of it.. > > > > > > > > why not the stuff you can't see or hear or feel or think? > > > > > > > > it's easier to have contact with the real than the unreal. > > > > > > > > being unreal yourself you don't believe that. > > > > > > > > that's understandable. > > > > > > > > in fact.. > > > > > > > > it's the ONLY possibility for " you " or " me " . > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > what I remember as having happened today, never happened. > > > > > > being unreal yourself (myself), you (I) have no choice but to believe it happened. > > > > > > what is so, has never been contacted or recalled. > > > > > > This will never contact me. > > > > > > I die (now). > > > > > > This lives. > > > > > > Having always already consumed me, it has no awareness of me. > > > > > > This is awareness itself, without any awareness of self or of awareness. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > .b b.b. > > love. > > - d - double dog dare extra bullshit. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > > > > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > > > > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > > > > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > > > > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > > > > > > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > > > > > > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > > > > > > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > > > > > > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > > > > > > call it " in any away. > > > > > > > > > > > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > > > > > > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > > > > > > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > > > > > > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > > > > > > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > > > > > > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > > > > > > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, with > > > > > > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > > > > > > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > > > > > > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > > > > > > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we play. > > > > > > > > > > you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > > > > > > > > > you have no basis for checking > > > > > > > > > > you are the fear of losing everything > > > > > > > > > > that is all you are > > > > > > > > > > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > > > > > > > > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > > > > > > > > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > > > > > > > > > it's not pretty > > > > > > > > > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > time emerges as a golden stream. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > emergence is time. > > > > > > - d - > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > oh danny.. > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > .b b.b. > > personalization. > > - d - depersonalize what you are trying desperately to create. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM > > Re: Food > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > > > oh danny.. > > > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to > > anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > > -tim- > > > > The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and > > " problems " arise. > > -geo- > > Yes, passing through the eye of the needle, nothing is brought along. > > - D - mainlined jesus. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
