Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:52 AM Re: Re: Food - maxamehc Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:33 AM Re: Food > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > it never started. > > > > piss on it. > > > > love.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT > IS > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > never heard of the alamo > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there > is > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > call it " in any away. > It's not possible for anybody not to 'objectivate' when talking or attempting to write about the inexplicable no-thing. g> Words may come from THAT - then it depends on the reader. ... some, too would say that the mind can't be stilled & then say to think nothing, which to me is saying the same thing. Even pissing on it is an act which involves mental co-ordination. g> Now this is a mystake, a miss-conception. Mental co-ordination is a natural function of the organism. In fact it works much better without the inner imagined center. The problem is not mental work but the feeling of inner entity. ....True that this thing/self cannot be given a label, name, stamp, Lao Tzu, Jesus etc all new this, we know this but what do you suggest I type in it's place geo? You'll probably say 'nothing' which would be the most accurate approach, but then again we all like engage for whatever reason, otherwise we wouldn't all be here. If we were all being honest with ourselves none of us would give a rats 'you know what' about being here & all of us would be silent - so......... a BIG shout out to all the dishonest people here who preach honesty & truth to all!!!! auee g> You can be here in order to look at yourself. Dont be fooled....if there is an ego...it will probably come out here. A BIG shout to MY disonesty. The disonesty I am. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:00 AM Re: Re: Food - geo Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:52 AM Re: Re: Food - maxamehc Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:33 AM Re: Food > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > it never started. > > > > piss on it. > > > > love.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT > IS > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > never heard of the alamo > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there > is > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > call it " in any away. > It's not possible for anybody not to 'objectivate' when talking or attempting to write about the inexplicable no-thing. g> Words may come from THAT - then it depends on the reader. ... some, too would say that the mind can't be stilled & then say to think nothing, which to me is saying the same thing. Even pissing on it is an act which involves mental co-ordination. g> Now this is a mystake, a miss-conception. Mental co-ordination is a natural function of the organism. In fact it works much better without the inner imagined center. The problem is not mental work but the feeling of inner entity. ....True that this thing/self cannot be given a label, name, stamp, Lao Tzu, Jesus etc all new this, we know this but what do you suggest I type in it's place geo? You'll probably say 'nothing' which would be the most accurate approach, but then again we all like engage for whatever reason, otherwise we wouldn't all be here. If we were all being honest with ourselves none of us would give a rats 'you know what' about being here & all of us would be silent - so......... a BIG shout out to all the dishonest people here who preach honesty & truth to all!!!! auee g> You can be here in order to look at yourself. Dont be fooled....if there is an ego...it will probably come out here. A BIG shout to MY disonesty. The disonesty I am. So as you see, it is your " inner entity " that feels that is being wronged by other disonest people out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 > > It's not possible for anybody not to 'objectivate' when talking or > attempting to write about the inexplicable no-thing. > > g> Words may come from THAT - then it depends on the reader. > > .. some, too would say that the mind can't be stilled & then say to think > nothing, which to me is saying the same thing. Even pissing on it is an act > which involves mental co-ordination. > > g> Now this is a mystake, a miss-conception. Mental co-ordination is a > natural function of the organism. In fact it works much better without the > inner imagined center. The problem is not mental work but the feeling of > inner entity. > MAX> feeling of inner entity = awareness = call it what YOU want. that's what I was talking about! This is a natural function, but what about the millions out there that funtion un-naturally in a thick cover of ego, not having reached the fact that they are not the body etc. - pissing is a natural function of the organism & I don't know how YOU manage but I have to co-ordinate my stance, unzip me trousers, hold my position & let rip!! What's your secret?? > g> You can be here in order to look at yourself. Dont be fooled....if there > is an ego...it will probably come out here. A BIG shout to MY disonesty. MAX> My dishonst ego is as big as the next persons, I don't see how it can be measured, according to all the other dishonest posters here it doesn't even exist......... & I'd have to agree, but again.... we like to engage > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 > It's not possible for anybody not to 'objectivate' when talking or > attempting to write about the inexplicable no-thing. > > g> Words may come from THAT - then it depends on the reader. > > .. some, too would say that the mind can't be stilled & then say to think > nothing, which to me is saying the same thing. Even pissing on it is an > act > which involves mental co-ordination. > > g> Now this is a mystake, a miss-conception. Mental co-ordination is a > natural function of the organism. In fact it works much better without the > inner imagined center. The problem is not mental work but the feeling of > inner entity. > MAX> feeling of inner entity = awareness = call it what YOU want. that's what I was talking about! This is a natural function geo> No. The feeling of inner entity IS the mistake. There is no such inner observer. So....feeling of inner entity = ego (and NOT awareness) , but what about the millions out there that funtion un-naturally in a thick cover of ego, not having reached the fact that they are not the body etc. - pissing is a natural function of the organism & I don't know how YOU manage but I have to co-ordinate my stance, unzip me trousers, hold my position & let rip!! What's your secret?? geo> No secret at all. There is no need for an ego to piss, to walk, to play..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > > call it " in any away. > > > > It's not possible for anybody not to 'objectivate' when talking or attempting to write about the inexplicable no-thing. some, too would say that the mind can't be stilled & then say to think nothing, which to me is saying the same thing. Even pissing on it is an act which involves mental co-ordination. True that this thing/self cannot be given a label, name, stamp, Lao Tzu, Jesus etc all new this, we know this but what do you suggest I type in it's place geo? You'll probably say 'nothing' which would be the most accurate approach, but then again we all like engage for whatever reason, otherwise we wouldn't all be here. If we were all being honest with ourselves none of us would give a rats 'you know what' about being here & all of us would be silent - so......... > > a BIG shout out to all the dishonest people here who preach honesty & truth to all!!!! > > auee who the fuck are you to shout at anybody about anything. you're nothing. so's everything you're shouting at. that's fucking crazy. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > it's not my hassle. > > > > you asked what the matter with you was. > > > > THAT was your point. > > > > it's at the end of that pathetic posting. > > > > what the fuck did you ask for if not for an answer? > > > > when werner asked that same thing.. > > > > the answers were to numerous to write out. > > > > Hold on Nelly, go back further. You asked me in your first post addressed to me. So numerous that you forgot what you had written the first posting was reiterating.. what was implicated in werner's previous posting. obviously to close to home for you though. what the fuck's the matter with you? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc wrote: > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > it never started. > > > > piss on it. > > > > love.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > Ha, Max, ! That 'Self' you think you are speaking of - does not exist. It is just a flee, a dream, another concept which Ramana hast put into your ear and which now terribly is tickling and alsmost driving you mad. There is no 'Self' with a capital 'S' - thats all just spiritual Disneyland crap. There only is the 'I am' and besides that you are the child of a barren women which is called 'Self' with a capital 'S'. Werner > never heard of the alamo > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > Ha, Max, ! > > That 'Self' you think you are speaking of - does not exist. It is just a flee, a dream, another concept which Ramana hast put into your ear and which now terribly is tickling and alsmost driving you mad. > > There is no 'Self' with a capital 'S' - thats all just spiritual Disneyland crap. > > There only is the 'I am' and besides that you are the child of a barren women which is called 'Self' with a capital 'S'. > > Werner > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > so maxey.. does the above insanity put a hassle in your Hasslehoff? or can you enjoy a joke? wernie is the best at spouting that kind of pompous bullshit... and self delude himself into believing himself a dr. science. LOL! it makes my day each time it " happens " . i love to laugh so hard that i sneeze! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > > > > Ha, Max, ! > > > > That 'Self' you think you are speaking of - does not exist. It is just a flee, a dream, another concept which Ramana hast put into your ear and which now terribly is tickling and alsmost driving you mad. > > > > There is no 'Self' with a capital 'S' - thats all just spiritual Disneyland crap. > > > > There only is the 'I am' and besides that you are the child of a barren women which is called 'Self' with a capital 'S'. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > > > so maxey.. > > does the above insanity put a hassle in your Hasslehoff? > > or can you enjoy a joke? > > wernie is the best at spouting that kind of pompous bullshit... > > and self delude himself into believing himself a dr. science. > > LOL! > > it makes my day each time it " happens " . > > i love to laugh so hard that i sneeze! > > .b b.b. AND! just who the fuck doesn't remember the Alamo??? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc wrote: > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > Your thoughts?? > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > Werner > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? The unconditional can't be reached by any means. No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Maybe the whole idea of awareness/realization itself is just a hoax > > It's ignorance/un-realization that's the hoax ;-). It's division, separation, that's the hoax. Someone divided from realization/awareness. You can divide the indivisible a trillion times, and it's the same hoax as when you divided it the first time (whenever that was ... ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc wrote: > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > werner has a point. > > > > as he always does. > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? " body-mind dropped " " you " die are not here here: neither existence nor nonexistence, yes or no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > it never started. > > > > piss on it. > > > > love.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > never heard of the alamo > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > call it " in any away. > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, with > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we play. you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). you have no basis for checking you are the fear of losing everything that is all you are this is the barrier of no-barrier that has been pointed to for centuries " you " ( " I " ) die it's not pretty although it is sudden (no time is involved) - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > > Your thoughts?? > > > > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? > > Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? > > The unconditional can't be reached by any means. > > No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. > > Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? > > - d - if it's possible to ask it's possible to answer. you can make up the understanding part if you want. you do about everything else going on. why not that stuff? can you understand: walking or talking or shitting or fucking or warring or loving? if you can't understand what you see every day.. without making up the notion of your understanding any of it.. why not the stuff you can't see or hear or feel or think? it's easier to have contact with the real than the unreal. being unreal yourself you don't believe that. that's understandable. in fact.. it's the ONLY possibility for " you " or " me " . ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > > > Your thoughts?? > > > > > > > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? > > > > Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? > > > > The unconditional can't be reached by any means. > > > > No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. > > > > Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? > > > > - d - > > > if it's possible to ask it's possible to answer. > > you can make up the understanding part if you want. > > you do about everything else going on. > > why not that stuff? > > can you understand: > > walking or talking or shitting or fucking or warring or loving? > > if you can't understand what you see every day.. > > without making up the notion of your understanding any of it.. > > why not the stuff you can't see or hear or feel or think? > > it's easier to have contact with the real than the unreal. > > being unreal yourself you don't believe that. > > that's understandable. > > in fact.. > > it's the ONLY possibility for " you " or " me " . > > .b b.b. what I remember as having happened today, never happened. being unreal yourself (myself), you (I) have no choice but to believe it happened. what is so, has never been contacted or recalled. This will never contact me. I die (now). This lives. Having always already consumed me, it has no awareness of me. This is awareness itself, without any awareness of self or of awareness. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > " body-mind dropped " > > " you " die > > are not here > > here: neither existence nor nonexistence, yes or no no " here " . ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > " body-mind dropped " > > > > " you " die > > > > are not here > > > > here: neither existence nor nonexistence, yes or no > > > no " here " . > > .b b.b. no " no. " yes. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > > > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > > > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > > > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > > > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > > > call it " in any away. > > > > > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > > > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > > > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > > > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > > > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > > > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > > > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, with > > > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > > > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > > > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > > > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we play. > > > > you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > > > you have no basis for checking > > > > you are the fear of losing everything > > > > that is all you are > > > > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > > > it's not pretty > > > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > > > - d - > > > piss on it. > > time emerges as a golden stream. > > .b b.b. emergence is time. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > > > > Your thoughts?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? > > > > > > Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? > > > > > > The unconditional can't be reached by any means. > > > > > > No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. > > > > > > Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > if it's possible to ask it's possible to answer. > > > > you can make up the understanding part if you want. > > > > you do about everything else going on. > > > > why not that stuff? > > > > can you understand: > > > > walking or talking or shitting or fucking or warring or loving? > > > > if you can't understand what you see every day.. > > > > without making up the notion of your understanding any of it.. > > > > why not the stuff you can't see or hear or feel or think? > > > > it's easier to have contact with the real than the unreal. > > > > being unreal yourself you don't believe that. > > > > that's understandable. > > > > in fact.. > > > > it's the ONLY possibility for " you " or " me " . > > > > .b b.b. > > what I remember as having happened today, never happened. > > being unreal yourself (myself), you (I) have no choice but to believe it happened. > > what is so, has never been contacted or recalled. > > This will never contact me. > > I die (now). > > This lives. > > Having always already consumed me, it has no awareness of me. > > This is awareness itself, without any awareness of self or of awareness. > > - d - bullshit. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > " body-mind dropped " > > > > > > " you " die > > > > > > are not here > > > > > > here: neither existence nor nonexistence, yes or no > > > > > > no " here " . > > > > .b b.b. > > no " no. " > > yes. > > - d - oh boy. a word game about no words. gee danny you have neat stuff for killing time. lets play what color am i.. or i see something.. or count our fingers and toes and ears and noses. and all the other kids will be jealous and stuff. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > > > > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > > > > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > > > > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > > > > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > > > > call it " in any away. > > > > > > > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > > > > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > > > > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > > > > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > > > > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > > > > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > > > > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, with > > > > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > > > > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > > > > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > > > > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we play. > > > > > > you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > > > > > you have no basis for checking > > > > > > you are the fear of losing everything > > > > > > that is all you are > > > > > > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > > > > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > > > > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > > > > > it's not pretty > > > > > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > time emerges as a golden stream. > > > > .b b.b. > > emergence is time. > > - d - and time is emergence. and a tomato is a fruit. and a fish is a swimmer. and a dog barks. and so on and so on and.. oh danny.. we worship at your feet. are you ok sport? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > and time is emergence. > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > and a dog barks. > > and so on and so on and.. > > oh danny.. > > we worship at your feet. > > are you ok sport? > > .b b.b. What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > oh danny.. > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > .b b.b. > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. " problem " ? i don't have a problem with anything or anyone. what's your problem with that? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty > > word to anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > > > " problem " ? > > i don't have a problem with anything or anyone. I call BS... this is retreating into nondualese. > what's your problem with that? > > .b b.b. Nothing... I was just asking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty > > > word to anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > > > > > > " problem " ? > > > > i don't have a problem with anything or anyone. > > I call BS... this is retreating into nondualese. > > > what's your problem with that? > > > > .b b.b. > > Nothing... I was just asking. Are you like that teen in Florida that killed a bunch of neighborhood cats? Might as well go out & kill people cuz there's no such thing as a " problem " , and nobody exists? If so, remember that nobody threw the switch on the electric chair, either ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
