it's not there or over there either.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 3:02 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > > either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - D -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > D:

> > > >

> > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > > experiencing.

> > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > >

> > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > >

> > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > >

> > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > >

> > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

> > > > referred

> > > > to.

> > > > I did not say a thing.

> > >

> > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

> > >

> > > geo> What did I clarify?

> >

> > D: What you didn't say.

> >

> > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named,

> > or

> > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

> > before. It is a stand-alone thing.

> >

> > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

> > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

> > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be

> > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

> > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

>

> D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you

> were saying. Your comments make it more clear.

>

> One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing.

>

> Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may

> mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is

> referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to.

>

> Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality of

> being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R

> isn't. "

>

> - D -

>

> Or... " he thinks he has more silent knowledge then that other, or me " . The

> problem is always the same afer a certain point: all becomes impersonal and

> a personality interfers in that. There is nothing personal in the universe,

> all is universal, impersonal. BTW, the " interpretation as personal " is a

> measure that eventualy points to the point where mutual understanding has

> stoped. Unfortunately or not...only the impersonal side can see it.

> -geo-

D: Yes. Either the personality structure (line of memories and self-feeling of

existence forming " I " )is being used as the attempted basis for existing and

knowing, or it isn't being used that way.

" You can't serve two masters. "

Although I don't think it's personality that interferes. Personalities actually

form in an impersonal way. Like you said, everything in the universe is

impersonal (including personalities).

The interference is the attempt to use a personal center as the mode for

knowing/being. If that attempt isn't being made, personalities do whatever they

do. They aren't anchoring being, and never have actually done that.

" Let the dead (beings centered in a memory line) bury their dead. "

- D -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Words reach a limit.

> >

> > Indeed.

> >

> > - D -

>

> Words are the limit, and their dissolution is the limitless.

I like the way you put this.

And words can be used with this understanding, that they are dissolved in use.

Like writing images in running water, as some sage or other once said.

- D -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Enjoy being here with no other involved.

> >

> > What's the problem?

> >

> > - D -

>

> Obviously, the 'problem' is that with no other involved, no self is involved.

Ouch, yes.

- d -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > -tim-

> > > > >

> > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > > its

> > > > > objects.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > >

> > > > Negation negated ...

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > Not even that.

> > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > D:

> >

> > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> >

> > This timeless moment, undivided.

> >

> > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> >

> > Never has been commented upon.

> >

> > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > to.

> > I did not say a thing.

> >

>

> and you guys claim this is not a word game?

>

> Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

>

> i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

>

> and i'm so clever for telling you that..

>

> so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

>

> and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

>

> way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

>

> or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

>

> to fucking bad about your luck.

>

> i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

>

> kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

>

> woo hoo! that tickles!

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Are you questioning the fact that a " ground " of being independent of

> consciousness IS? Or something else?

> -geo-

as i don't believe in answers..

i have no questions.

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

with

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - D -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D:

> > > > >

> > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

experiencing.

> > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > > >

> > > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > > >

> > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > > >

> > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred to.

> > > > > I did not say a thing.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game?

> > > >

> > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

> > > >

> > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

> > > >

> > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that..

> > > >

> > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

> > > >

> > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

> > > >

> > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

> > > >

> > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

> > > >

> > > > to fucking bad about your luck.

> > > >

> > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

> > > >

> > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

> > > >

> > > > woo hoo! that tickles!

> > > >

> > > > LOL!

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything.

> > >

> > > Expressing words about this does no harm.

> > >

> > > Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time.

> > >

> > > Enjoy being here with no other involved.

> > >

> > > What's the problem?

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > i enjoy being here.

> >

> > what's your problem?

> >

> > you're wasting your time.

> >

> > how can motivations be imputed one of another?

> >

> > what is is.

> >

> > it ain't two.

> >

> > you like to judge.

> >

> > you set up the two.

> >

> > you put a break in enjoying.

> >

> > no matter.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> I enjoy wasting time.

>

> And you - have some sympathy and some taste.

>

> Or I'll lay this time to waste.

>

> As there's no you to judge, there's no break in being.

>

> Being is - not placing enjoyment against disgust.

>

> Therefore, I remain quite disgusted with you.

>

> - D -

bullshit.

besides...

who the fuck do you think gives a monkey's ass?

LOL!

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > > either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - D -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > D:

> > > >

> > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > > experiencing.

> > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > >

> > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > >

> > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > >

> > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > >

> > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > > > to.

> > > > I did not say a thing.

> > >

> > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

> > >

> > > geo> What did I clarify?

> >

> > D: What you didn't say.

> >

> > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

> > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

> > before. It is a stand-alone thing.

> >

> > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

> > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

> > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be

> > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

> > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

>

> D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you

were saying. Your comments make it more clear.

>

> One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing.

>

> Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may mistakenly

think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is referred to, or a

state of consciousness is being referred to.

>

> Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality of

being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R

isn't. "

>

> - D -

words don't " work " n any specified way.

" you " work the words.

why do you work them that way?

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Words reach a limit.

> >

> > Indeed.

> >

> > - D -

>

> Words are the limit, and their dissolution is the limitless.

well then how can you spell dissolution or limitless?

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Words reach a limit.

> > >

> > > Indeed.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > Words are the limit, and their dissolution is the limitless.

>

> I like the way you put this.

>

> And words can be used with this understanding, that they are

> dissolved in use.

I don't like the way you put this (chuckling)... words aren't 'used', with any

understanding. Words 'arise', if you like, with no one separate to be using

them.

> Like writing images in running water, as some sage or other once

> said.

Not only words. Everything.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Words reach a limit.

> > >

> > > Indeed.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > Words are the limit, and their dissolution is the limitless.

>

> well then how can you spell dissolution or limitless?

>

> .b b.b.

R-o-l-a-i-d-s. Don'tcha watch TV? :-p.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> words don't " work " n any specified way.

>

> " you " work the words.

>

> why do you work them that way?

>

> .b b.b.

Words 'work' themselves.

No question arises.

Silence.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> as i don't believe in answers..

>

> i have no questions.

>

> .b b.b.

You're the question and the answer, both.

Questioning the answer, answers the question.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Enjoy being here with no other involved.

> > >

> > > What's the problem?

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > Obviously, the 'problem' is that with no other involved, no self is >

involved.

>

> Ouch, yes.

>

> - d -

Doesn't hurt a bit ;-).

June 15, 2009

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste,

> > > > > > > etc.?

> > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the

> > > > > > > senses

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - D -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > D:

> > > >

> > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > > experiencing.

> > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > >

> > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > >

> > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > >

> > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > >

> > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

> > > > referred

> > > > to.

> > > > I did not say a thing.

> > >

> > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

> > >

> > > geo> What did I clarify?

> >

> > D: What you didn't say.

> >

> > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never

> > named,

> > or

> > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I

> > wrote

> > before. It is a stand-alone thing.

> >

> > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

> > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

> > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can

> > be

> > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

> > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

>

> D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you

> were saying. Your comments make it more clear.

>

> One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing.

>

> Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may

> mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is

> referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to.

>

> Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality

> of

> being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary

> R

> isn't. "

>

> - D -

>

> Or... " he thinks he has more silent knowledge then that other, or me " . The

> problem is always the same afer a certain point: all becomes impersonal

> and

> a personality interfers in that. There is nothing personal in the

> universe,

> all is universal, impersonal. BTW, the " interpretation as personal " is a

> measure that eventualy points to the point where mutual understanding has

> stoped. Unfortunately or not...only the impersonal side can see it.

> -geo-

D: Yes. Either the personality structure (line of memories and self-feeling

of existence forming " I " )is being used as the attempted basis for existing

and knowing, or it isn't being used that way.

" You can't serve two masters. "

Although I don't think it's personality that interferes. Personalities

actually form in an impersonal way. Like you said, everything in the

universe is impersonal (including personalities).

The interference is the attempt to use a personal center as the mode for

knowing/being. If that attempt isn't being made, personalities do whatever

they do. They aren't anchoring being, and never have actually done that.

" Let the dead (beings centered in a memory line) bury their dead. "

- D -

Yes, but now there is the issue of personality :>)

To me, personality is always " unconscious " - so it is a set of conditionings

formed around the inner sense of entity. The root of the word is " person " -

persona. When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over the

way one reacts/acts in relations. Nomenclature.

-geo-

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June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over the

> way one reacts/acts in relations.

" You wish " ;-).

June 15, 2009

-

Tim G.

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 6:14 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over the

> way one reacts/acts in relations.

" You wish " ;-).

which fish?

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roberibus111

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 5:28 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > -tim-

> > > > >

> > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > with

> > > > > its

> > > > > objects.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > >

> > > > Negation negated ...

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > Not even that.

> > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > D:

> >

> > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > experiencing.

> > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> >

> > This timeless moment, undivided.

> >

> > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> >

> > Never has been commented upon.

> >

> > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > to.

> > I did not say a thing.

> >

>

> and you guys claim this is not a word game?

>

> Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

>

> i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

>

> and i'm so clever for telling you that..

>

> so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

>

> and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

>

> way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

>

> or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

>

> to fucking bad about your luck.

>

> i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

>

> kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

>

> woo hoo! that tickles!

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Are you questioning the fact that a " ground " of being independent of

> consciousness IS? Or something else?

> -geo-

as i don't believe in answers..

i have no questions.

..b b.b.

I dont believe in anything.

-geo-

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June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste,

etc.?

> > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the

senses with

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - D -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

experiencing.

> > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred to.

> > > > > > I did not say a thing.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game?

> > > > >

> > > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

> > > > >

> > > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

> > > > >

> > > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that..

> > > > >

> > > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

> > > > >

> > > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

> > > > >

> > > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

> > > > >

> > > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

> > > > >

> > > > > to fucking bad about your luck.

> > > > >

> > > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

> > > > >

> > > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

> > > > >

> > > > > woo hoo! that tickles!

> > > > >

> > > > > LOL!

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything.

> > > >

> > > > Expressing words about this does no harm.

> > > >

> > > > Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time.

> > > >

> > > > Enjoy being here with no other involved.

> > > >

> > > > What's the problem?

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > i enjoy being here.

> > >

> > > what's your problem?

> > >

> > > you're wasting your time.

> > >

> > > how can motivations be imputed one of another?

> > >

> > > what is is.

> > >

> > > it ain't two.

> > >

> > > you like to judge.

> > >

> > > you set up the two.

> > >

> > > you put a break in enjoying.

> > >

> > > no matter.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > I enjoy wasting time.

> >

> > And you - have some sympathy and some taste.

> >

> > Or I'll lay this time to waste.

> >

> > As there's no you to judge, there's no break in being.

> >

> > Being is - not placing enjoyment against disgust.

> >

> > Therefore, I remain quite disgusted with you.

> >

> > - D -

>

> bullshit.

>

> besides...

>

> who the fuck do you think gives a monkey's ass?

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

a monkey.

- d -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > > > either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - D -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D:

> > > > >

> > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > > > experiencing.

> > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > > >

> > > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > > >

> > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > > >

> > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred

> > > > > to.

> > > > > I did not say a thing.

> > > >

> > > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

> > > >

> > > > geo> What did I clarify?

> > >

> > > D: What you didn't say.

> > >

> > > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named,

or

> > > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

> > > before. It is a stand-alone thing.

> > >

> > > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

> > > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

> > > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be

> > > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

> > > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

> >

> > D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you

were saying. Your comments make it more clear.

> >

> > One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing.

> >

> > Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may

mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is

referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to.

> >

> > Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality of

being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R

isn't. "

> >

> > - D -

>

> words don't " work " n any specified way.

>

> " you " work the words.

>

> why do you work them that way?

>

> .b b.b.

one puts words out there, but how they are heard may have little to do with how

they were put out there.

one does one's best to be clear, and that is all one can do.

words are given meaning by association with past experience and images from

memory.

words evoke images.

or they don't.

- D -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > words don't " work " n any specified way.

> >

> > " you " work the words.

> >

> > why do you work them that way?

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> Words 'work' themselves.

>

> No question arises.

>

> Silence.

you don't say?

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > bullshit.

> >

> > besides...

> >

> > who the fuck do you think gives a monkey's ass?

>

> Nobody, but I hear a certain meat market in Chinatown sells 'em.

brains tastier.

fresh pudding on live rack.

viet nam.

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 5:28 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > D:

> > >

> > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > experiencing.

> > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > >

> > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > >

> > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > >

> > > Never has been commented upon.

> > >

> > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > > to.

> > > I did not say a thing.

> > >

> >

> > and you guys claim this is not a word game?

> >

> > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

> >

> > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

> >

> > and i'm so clever for telling you that..

> >

> > so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

> >

> > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

> >

> > way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

> >

> > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

> >

> > to fucking bad about your luck.

> >

> > i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

> >

> > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

> >

> > woo hoo! that tickles!

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Are you questioning the fact that a " ground " of being independent of

> > consciousness IS? Or something else?

> > -geo-

>

> as i don't believe in answers..

>

> i have no questions.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> I dont believe in anything.

> -geo-

i don't believe you.

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste,

etc.?

> > > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the

senses with

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of

knowing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - D -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

experiencing.

> > > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred to.

> > > > > > > I did not say a thing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't

there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to fucking bad about your luck.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > woo hoo! that tickles!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LOL!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > > > There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > Expressing words about this does no harm.

> > > > >

> > > > > Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Enjoy being here with no other involved.

> > > > >

> > > > > What's the problem?

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > i enjoy being here.

> > > >

> > > > what's your problem?

> > > >

> > > > you're wasting your time.

> > > >

> > > > how can motivations be imputed one of another?

> > > >

> > > > what is is.

> > > >

> > > > it ain't two.

> > > >

> > > > you like to judge.

> > > >

> > > > you set up the two.

> > > >

> > > > you put a break in enjoying.

> > > >

> > > > no matter.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > I enjoy wasting time.

> > >

> > > And you - have some sympathy and some taste.

> > >

> > > Or I'll lay this time to waste.

> > >

> > > As there's no you to judge, there's no break in being.

> > >

> > > Being is - not placing enjoyment against disgust.

> > >

> > > Therefore, I remain quite disgusted with you.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > bullshit.

> >

> > besides...

> >

> > who the fuck do you think gives a monkey's ass?

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> a monkey.

>

> - d -

the monkey gives his ass?

to who and what the fuck for?

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > > > > either.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste,

etc.?

> > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the

senses

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - D -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > > > > experiencing.

> > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred

> > > > > > to.

> > > > > > I did not say a thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

> > > > >

> > > > > geo> What did I clarify?

> > > >

> > > > D: What you didn't say.

> > > >

> > > > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never

named, or

> > > > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I

wrote

> > > > before. It is a stand-alone thing.

> > > >

> > > > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

> > > > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

> > > > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can

be

> > > > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

> > > > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

> > >

> > > D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what

you were saying. Your comments make it more clear.

> > >

> > > One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing.

> > >

> > > Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may

mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is

referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to.

> > >

> > > Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality

of being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R

isn't. "

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > words don't " work " n any specified way.

> >

> > " you " work the words.

> >

> > why do you work them that way?

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> one puts words out there, but how they are heard may have little to do with

how they were put out there.

>

> one does one's best to be clear, and that is all one can do.

>

> words are given meaning by association with past experience and images from

memory.

>

> words evoke images.

>

> or they don't.

>

> - D -

all one can do is laugh.

or not.

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> all one can do is laugh.

I tried to laugh, but only managed to gasp from the effort ;-).

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > words don't " work " n any specified way.

> > > >

> > > > " you " work the words.

> > > >

> > > > why do you work them that way?

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Words 'work' themselves.

> > >

> > > No question arises.

> > >

> > > Silence.

> >

> > you don't say?

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> I don't question.

>

> I am the question, seeking an answer.

>

> I am the answer, seeking a question.

i'm the cream in my coffee..

i'm the salt in my stew..

i will always be my necessity..

I'd be lost without me.

i'm the starch in my collar..

i'm the lace in my shoe..

i will always be my necessity..

i'd be lost without me.

most would tell love tails..

and each phrase dovetails.

i've heard each known way..

this way is my own way.

i'm the sail of my love boat..

i'm the captain and crew..

i will always be my necessity..

i'd be lost without me.

i give life savor..

bring out its flavor..

so this is clear..dear..

i'm my worcestershire..dear.

..b b.b.

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