it's not there or over there either.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > Tim G.

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > what goes around comes around.

> > >

> > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > >

> > > - d -

> >

> > Yes... contact between what and what?

> >

> > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> >

> > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > -tim-

> >

> > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> > objects.

> > -geo-

>

> One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

>

> However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

>

> Negation negated ...

>

> - D -

no?!

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

-

Tim G.

Nisargadatta

Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:36 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> Tim G.

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > what goes around comes around.

> >

> > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> >

> > - d -

>

> Yes... contact between what and what?

>

> I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

>

> Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> -tim-

>

> And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> -geo-

Words won't take you anywhere.

Words indicate only. They're like a map.

The territory is you.

geo> This is not a matter of words. You are NOT consciousness. You are not

the senses.

June 15, 2009

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

> Tim G.

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > what goes around comes around.

> >

> > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> >

> > - d -

>

> Yes... contact between what and what?

>

> I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

>

> Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> -tim-

>

> And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> objects.

> -geo-

One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

Negation negated ...

- D -

Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

-geo-

June 15, 2009

-

geo

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

> Tim G.

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > what goes around comes around.

> >

> > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> >

> > - d -

>

> Yes... contact between what and what?

>

> I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

>

> Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> -tim-

>

> And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> objects.

> -geo-

One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

Negation negated ...

- D -

Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

Not even that.

I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

-geo-

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > Tim G.

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > what goes around comes around.

> > >

> > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > >

> > > - d -

> >

> > Yes... contact between what and what?

> >

> > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> >

> > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > -tim-

> >

> > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> > objects.

> > -geo-

>

> One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

>

> However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

>

> Negation negated ...

>

> - D -

>

> Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> -geo-

Words reach a limit.

Indeed.

- D -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > Tim G.

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > what goes around comes around.

> > >

> > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > >

> > > - d -

> >

> > Yes... contact between what and what?

> >

> > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> >

> > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > -tim-

> >

> > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> > objects.

> > -geo-

>

> One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

>

> However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

>

> Negation negated ...

>

> - D -

>

> Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> Not even that.

> I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> -geo-

D:

And arising, dissolve.

As does this comment.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > >

> > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > >

> > > > - d -

> > >

> > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > >

> > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > >

> > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > -tim-

> > >

> > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> > > objects.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> >

> > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> >

> > Negation negated ...

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > Not even that.

> > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > -geo-

>

> D:

This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing. Time

arises with the experiencing of memory.

This timeless moment, undivided.

The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

Never has been commented upon.

June 15, 2009

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 12:47 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > Tim G.

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > what goes around comes around.

> > >

> > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > >

> > > - d -

> >

> > Yes... contact between what and what?

> >

> > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> >

> > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > -tim-

> >

> > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> > objects.

> > -geo-

>

> One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

>

> However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

>

> Negation negated ...

>

> - D -

>

> Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> Not even that.

> I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> -geo-

D:

And arising, dissolve.

As does this comment.

geo> You are not saying that there are no further arisings and dissolutions.

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June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 12:47 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > >

> > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > >

> > > > - d -

> > >

> > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > >

> > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > >

> > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > -tim-

> > >

> > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with its

> > > objects.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> >

> > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> >

> > Negation negated ...

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > Not even that.

> > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > -geo-

>

> D:

>

> And arising, dissolve.

>

> As does this comment.

>

> geo> You are not saying that there are no further arisings and dissolutions.

D: I am not saying that we can't discuss what will arise tomorrow. Although,

this conceptualized " tomorrow " is a projection made by thought. And that

thought image arises now.

June 15, 2009

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > Tim G.

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > >

> > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > >

> > > > - d -

> > >

> > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > >

> > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > >

> > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > -tim-

> > >

> > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > its

> > > objects.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> >

> > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> >

> > Negation negated ...

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > Not even that.

> > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > -geo-

>

> D:

This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

This timeless moment, undivided.

The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

Never has been commented upon.

geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred to.

I did not say a thing.

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June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > >

> > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > >

> > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > -tim-

> > > >

> > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > its

> > > > objects.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > >

> > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > >

> > > Negation negated ...

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > Not even that.

> > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > D:

>

> This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

>

> This timeless moment, undivided.

>

> The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

>

> Never has been commented upon.

>

> geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred to.

> I did not say a thing.

D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > >

> > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > >

> > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > -tim-

> > > >

> > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > its

> > > > objects.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > >

> > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > >

> > > Negation negated ...

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > Not even that.

> > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > D:

>

> This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

>

> This timeless moment, undivided.

>

> The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

>

> Never has been commented upon.

>

> geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred to.

> I did not say a thing.

>

and you guys claim this is not a word game?

Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

and i'm so clever for telling you that..

so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

to fucking bad about your luck.

i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

woo hoo! that tickles!

LOL!

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > -tim-

> > > > >

> > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > > its

> > > > > objects.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > >

> > > > Negation negated ...

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > Not even that.

> > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > D:

> >

> > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> >

> > This timeless moment, undivided.

> >

> > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> >

> > Never has been commented upon.

> >

> > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred to.

> > I did not say a thing.

> >

>

> and you guys claim this is not a word game?

>

> Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

>

> i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

>

> and i'm so clever for telling you that..

>

> so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

>

> and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

>

> way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

>

> or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

>

> to fucking bad about your luck.

>

> i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

>

> kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

>

> woo hoo! that tickles!

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

> .b b.b.

There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything.

Expressing words about this does no harm.

Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time.

Enjoy being here with no other involved.

What's the problem?

- D -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > D:

> > >

> > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > >

> > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > >

> > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > >

> > > Never has been commented upon.

> > >

> > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

to.

> > > I did not say a thing.

> > >

> >

> > and you guys claim this is not a word game?

> >

> > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

> >

> > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

> >

> > and i'm so clever for telling you that..

> >

> > so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

> >

> > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

> >

> > way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

> >

> > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

> >

> > to fucking bad about your luck.

> >

> > i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

> >

> > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

> >

> > woo hoo! that tickles!

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything.

>

> Expressing words about this does no harm.

>

> Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time.

>

> Enjoy being here with no other involved.

>

> What's the problem?

>

> - D -

i enjoy being here.

what's your problem?

you're wasting your time.

how can motivations be imputed one of another?

what is is.

it ain't two.

you like to judge.

you set up the two.

you put a break in enjoying.

no matter.

..b b.b.

June 15, 2009

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > >

> > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > >

> > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > -tim-

> > > >

> > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > its

> > > > objects.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > >

> > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > >

> > > Negation negated ...

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > Not even that.

> > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > D:

>

> This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

>

> This timeless moment, undivided.

>

> The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

>

> Never has been commented upon.

>

> geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> to.

> I did not say a thing.

D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

geo> What did I clarify?

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June 15, 2009

-

roberibus111

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > >

> > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > >

> > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > -tim-

> > > >

> > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > its

> > > > objects.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > >

> > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > >

> > > Negation negated ...

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > Not even that.

> > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > D:

>

> This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

>

> This timeless moment, undivided.

>

> The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

>

> Never has been commented upon.

>

> geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> to.

> I did not say a thing.

>

and you guys claim this is not a word game?

Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

and i'm so clever for telling you that..

so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

to fucking bad about your luck.

i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

woo hoo! that tickles!

LOL!

..b b.b.

Are you questioning the fact that a " ground " of being independent of

consciousness IS? Or something else?

-geo-

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June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

with

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - D -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > D:

> > > >

> > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

experiencing.

> > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > > >

> > > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > > >

> > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > > >

> > > > Never has been commented upon.

> > > >

> > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

to.

> > > > I did not say a thing.

> > > >

> > >

> > > and you guys claim this is not a word game?

> > >

> > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn.

> > >

> > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there.

> > >

> > > and i'm so clever for telling you that..

> > >

> > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know.

> > >

> > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and..

> > >

> > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief..

> > >

> > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell.

> > >

> > > to fucking bad about your luck.

> > >

> > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters.

> > >

> > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached.

> > >

> > > woo hoo! that tickles!

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything.

> >

> > Expressing words about this does no harm.

> >

> > Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time.

> >

> > Enjoy being here with no other involved.

> >

> > What's the problem?

> >

> > - D -

>

> i enjoy being here.

>

> what's your problem?

>

> you're wasting your time.

>

> how can motivations be imputed one of another?

>

> what is is.

>

> it ain't two.

>

> you like to judge.

>

> you set up the two.

>

> you put a break in enjoying.

>

> no matter.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> .b b.b.

I enjoy wasting time.

And you - have some sympathy and some taste.

Or I'll lay this time to waste.

As there's no you to judge, there's no break in being.

Being is - not placing enjoyment against disgust.

Therefore, I remain quite disgusted with you.

- D -

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > -tim-

> > > > >

> > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > > its

> > > > > objects.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > >

> > > > Negation negated ...

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > Not even that.

> > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > D:

> >

> > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> >

> > This timeless moment, undivided.

> >

> > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> >

> > Never has been commented upon.

> >

> > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > to.

> > I did not say a thing.

>

> D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

>

> geo> What did I clarify?

D: What you didn't say.

June 15, 2009

-

geo

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 1:43 PM

Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Tim G.

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > >

> > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > >

> > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > -tim-

> > > >

> > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with

> > > > its

> > > > objects.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > >

> > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > >

> > > Negation negated ...

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > Not even that.

> > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > D:

>

> This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing.

> Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

>

> This timeless moment, undivided.

>

> The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

>

> Never has been commented upon.

>

> geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> to.

> I did not say a thing.

D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

geo> What did I clarify?

The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

before. It is a stand-alone thing.

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > -tim-

> > > > >

> > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > with

> > > > > its

> > > > > objects.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > >

> > > > Negation negated ...

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > Not even that.

> > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > D:

> >

> > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > experiencing.

> > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> >

> > This timeless moment, undivided.

> >

> > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> >

> > Never has been commented upon.

> >

> > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > to.

> > I did not say a thing.

>

> D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

>

> geo> What did I clarify?

D: What you didn't say.

geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

before. It is a stand-alone thing.

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geo

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM

Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > -tim-

> > > > >

> > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > with

> > > > > its

> > > > > objects.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > >

> > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > >

> > > > Negation negated ...

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > Not even that.

> > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > D:

> >

> > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > experiencing.

> > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> >

> > This timeless moment, undivided.

> >

> > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> >

> > Never has been commented upon.

> >

> > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > to.

> > I did not say a thing.

>

> D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

>

> geo> What did I clarify?

D: What you didn't say.

geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

before. It is a stand-alone thing.

The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be

THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM

> Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > D:

> > >

> > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > experiencing.

> > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > >

> > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > >

> > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > >

> > > Never has been commented upon.

> > >

> > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred

> > > to.

> > > I did not say a thing.

> >

> > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

> >

> > geo> What did I clarify?

>

> D: What you didn't say.

>

> geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

> referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

> before. It is a stand-alone thing.

>

> The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

> yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

> anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be

> THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

> named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you

were saying. Your comments make it more clear.

One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing.

Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may mistakenly

think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is referred to, or a

state of consciousness is being referred to.

Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality of

being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R

isn't. "

- D -

June 15, 2009

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Monday, June 15, 2009 3:02 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM

> Re: Re: it's not there or over there either.

-

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > either.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there

> > > > > > either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Tim G.

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what goes around comes around.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - d -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-).

> > > > > > -tim-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.?

> > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > objects.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation negated ...

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > > >

> > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is.

> > > > > Not even that.

> > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > D:

> > >

> > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the

> > > experiencing.

> > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory.

> > >

> > > This timeless moment, undivided.

> > >

> > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing.

> > >

> > > Never has been commented upon.

> > >

> > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or

> > > referred

> > > to.

> > > I did not say a thing.

> >

> > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying.

> >

> > geo> What did I clarify?

>

> D: What you didn't say.

>

> geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named,

> or

> referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote

> before. It is a stand-alone thing.

>

> The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or

> yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job

> anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be

> THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never

> named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " .

D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you

were saying. Your comments make it more clear.

One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing.

Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may

mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is

referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to.

Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality of

being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R

isn't. "

- D -

Or... " he thinks he has more silent knowledge then that other, or me " . The

problem is always the same afer a certain point: all becomes impersonal and

a personality interfers in that. There is nothing personal in the universe,

all is universal, impersonal. BTW, the " interpretation as personal " is a

measure that eventualy points to the point where mutual understanding has

stoped. Unfortunately or not...only the impersonal side can see it.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Words reach a limit.

>

> Indeed.

>

> - D -

Words are the limit, and their dissolution is the limitless.

June 15, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Enjoy being here with no other involved.

>

> What's the problem?

>

> - D -

Obviously, the 'problem' is that with no other involved, no self is involved.

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