Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > it's beautiful. > > > > > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > > > > > -- d -- > > > > > > > > > ignore that thought. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There's nobody separate from it to ignore it. > > > > " Ignore that thought " was another thought following the original thought. > > > ignore what you believe is so. > > .b b.b. belief system dies here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > it's beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > > > > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > > > > > > > -- d -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore that thought. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > There's nobody separate from it to ignore it. > > > > > > " Ignore that thought " was another thought following the original thought. > > > > > > ignore what you believe is so. > > > > .b b.b. > > I don't believe anything is so. > > I am the belief that I am so. i am desparately attempting to believe i can believe without being desparate to believe I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:12 PM > Re: The problem > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that > > may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence > > cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This > > silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the > > process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built > > up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the > > timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the > > experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a > > past silence, and what is experienced by th e experiencer is merely a > > self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so > > the mind must be utterly still. > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming > > and recording is a constant process of the different layers of > > consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial > > mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the > > whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which > > is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > except the immeasurable that came into being, never came into being. > d > > geo> That shows the relativity of words > > wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the black > hole where he heard the silence? > d > > geo> That shows the absolutness of preconception > > or maybe he did, and left a puppet image to speak words to audiences ... > - d - That which can't be shown, wasn't shown. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:52 PM > Re: The problem > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of > > > > > > virtue - > > > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought > > > > > > can only > > > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the > > > > > > known. > > > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the > > > > > > known. To > > > > > > seek > > > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security > > > > > > that may be > > > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For > > > > > > this > > > > > > reason, > > > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This > > > > > > silence > > > > > > comes > > > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the > > > > > > process of > > > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up > > > > > > through > > > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the > > > > > > timeless, for > > > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer > > > > > > who is > > > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past > > > > > > silence, and > > > > > > what > > > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected > > > > > > repetition. > > > > > > The > > > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly > > > > > > still. > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, > > > > > > when it > > > > > > is > > > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This > > > > > > naming and > > > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of > > > > > > consciousness, > > > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is > > > > > > quiet, the > > > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole > > > > > > consciousness is > > > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is > > > > > > spontaneity - then > > > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid > > > > > > cristal. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > to what? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > dissolution ... > > > > > > as never having been ... > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > that's not vulnerability. > > > > that's ignorance. > > > > .b b.b. > > it's beautiful. > > being this vulnerability. > > that is empty of itself ... > > -- d -- > > Being this vulnerability that is itself > -geo- is is not these are like geese I watch their formations flying away Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > geo> That shows the relativity of words > > > > wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the > > black > > hole where he heard the silence? > > d > > I wonder that, too, being He. being this ... which is not even nothing where is k, where is t, where is d where are all the words, the pointers unneeded, unarisen the joy of emptiness inexpressible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > geo> That shows the relativity of words > > > > > > wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the > > > black > > > hole where he heard the silence? > > > d > > > > I wonder that, too, being He. > > being this ... which is not even nothing > > where is k, where is t, where is d > > where are all the words, the pointers > > unneeded, unarisen > > the joy of emptiness > > inexpressible Good question. Where *are* k, t and d? ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:12 PM > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that > > > may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence > > > cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This > > > silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the > > > process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built > > > up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the > > > timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the > > > experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a > > > past silence, and what is experienced by th e experiencer is merely a > > > self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so > > > the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming > > > and recording is a constant process of the different layers of > > > consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial > > > mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the > > > whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which > > > is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > except the immeasurable that came into being, never came into being. > > d > > > > geo> That shows the relativity of words > > > > wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the black > > hole where he heard the silence? > > d > > > > geo> That shows the absolutness of preconception > > > > or maybe he did, and left a puppet image to speak words to audiences ... > > - d - > > That which can't be shown, wasn't shown. > > - d - I heard J. K. liked mooning the moon. And the moon liked mooning him back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
