Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 The problem is not death. The problem is life. Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. The problem is now. The solution is now, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 The problem is not death. The problem is life. Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. The problem is now. The solution is now, too. geo> The solution is the now - period. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 5/6/2009 11:06:25 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > The problem is not death. > > The problem is life. > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. > > The problem is now. > > The solution is now, too. P: The problem is that you are riding on the carousel of words and having fun, but dreaming that you're on a get-away-car. You're going nowhere. Can't escape yourself by talking. Language is the self, but enjoy your circular ride around the alphabet. Round and round, up and down. What fun! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > The problem is life. > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. > > > > The problem is now. > > > > The solution is now, too. > > P: The problem is that you are riding on > the carousel of words and having fun, but > dreaming that you're on a get-away-car. > You're going nowhere. Who's riding? Who's going nowhere? Isn't the author of such a message the actual rider/traveler? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > The problem is not death. > > The problem is life. > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. > > The problem is now. > > The solution is now, too. some folks think death is too short. " i " think it's probably just the right size. and " i " am unanimous in that opinion. all of us: " me " " myself " and " i " . sometimes " my " " self " tries to disagree.. but it's not really there anyway... so fuck it.. it won't live on. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > The problem is not death. > > The problem is life. > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > and has them thinking about death. > > The problem is now. > > The solution is now, too. > > geo> The solution is the now - period. that's what it is now? what was the solution before it was -period? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > The problem is life. > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. > > > > The problem is now. > > > > The solution is now, too. > > P: The problem is that you are riding on > the carousel of words and having fun, but > dreaming that you're on a get-away-car. > You're going nowhere. Can't escape > yourself by talking. Language is the > self, but enjoy your circular ride > around the alphabet. Round and round, > up and down. What fun! in a way that's no problem at all. it may even be a solution to something or other. wonder what that might be? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > > > The problem is life. > > > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. > > > > > > The problem is now. > > > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > P: The problem is that you are riding on > > the carousel of words and having fun, but > > dreaming that you're on a get-away-car. > > You're going nowhere. > > Who's riding? Who's going nowhere? > > Isn't the author of such a message the actual rider/traveler? P: I was talking about you, but that also applies to me. I'm aware that it's the language center in this brain that writes under the name Pete. Are you aware that there is no Tim, nor Onkara writing the stuff that " you " post? It's only the verbal carousel going around and around. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > P: I was talking about you, but that also > applies to me. I'm aware that it's the language > center in this brain that writes under the name > Pete. Are you aware that there is no Tim, nor Onkara > writing the stuff that " you " post? Yes. Tim/Omkara are words, and words don't write words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > The problem is not death. > > The problem is life. > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > and has them thinking about death. > > The problem is now. > > The solution is now, too. > > geo> The solution is the now - period. birth/death = life. The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > The problem is life. > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and has them thinking about death. > > > > The problem is now. > > > > The solution is now, too. > > P: The problem is that you are riding on > the carousel of words and having fun, but > dreaming that you're on a get-away-car. > You're going nowhere. Can't escape > yourself by talking. Language is the > self, but enjoy your circular ride > around the alphabet. Round and round, > up and down. What fun! Nice. Very true. One letter follows another. Processed by the brain. The brain is later processed by bacteria. Turned into fertilizer. Other brains grow. More letters are produced. Round and round and round. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > The problem is life. > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > > and has them thinking about death. > > > > The problem is now. > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period. > > birth/death = life. > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. > > - d - Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > > > The problem is life. > > > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > > > and has them thinking about death. > > > > > > The problem is now. > > > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period. > > > > birth/death = life. > > > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. > > > > - d - > > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability. Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > > > > > The problem is life. > > > > > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > > > > and has them thinking about death. > > > > > > > > The problem is now. > > > > > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period. > > > > > > birth/death = life. > > > > > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. > > > > > > - d - > > > > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability. > > Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and - True... only, nobody constructed it. Everything just happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is life. > > > > > > > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > > > > > and has them thinking about death. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is now. > > > > > > > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > > > > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period. > > > > > > > > birth/death = life. > > > > > > > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability. > > > > Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and - > > True... only, nobody constructed it. Everything just happens. The only meaning for the word " everything " is what you supply as meaning. And the meaning of " you " ? Who supplies that? So, nothing just happens. Unless " you " do. And you can't make yourself happen. So, nothing happens. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 3:20 PM Re: The problem Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > The problem is life. > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over > > soon, > > and has them thinking about death. > > > > The problem is now. > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period. > > birth/death = life. > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. > > - d - Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability. geo> A change of pattern. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > > > > > > and has them thinking about death. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period. > > > > > > > > > > birth/death = life. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability. > > > > > > Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and - > > > > True... only, nobody constructed it. Everything just happens. > > The only meaning for the word " everything " is what you supply as meaning. > > And the meaning of " you " ? > > Who supplies that? > > So, nothing just happens. > > Unless " you " do. > > And you can't make yourself happen. > > So, nothing happens. > > - d - OK, I'll reword: Nothing happens volitionally. Better? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 1:15 PM Re: The problem Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > The problem is not death. > > The problem is life. > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > and has them thinking about death. > > The problem is now. > > The solution is now, too. > > geo> The solution is the now - period. that's what it is now? what was the solution before it was -period? ..b b.b. That is already gone solved. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still.The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being.Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 everything should be made as simple as possible... but not simpler. Einstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - Michael Adamson Nisargadatta Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM Re: The problem JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Michael Adamson > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > Re: The problem > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > -geo- that about sums up that man's worth. ...and of course your worth as well. fragile. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM Re: The problem Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Michael Adamson > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > Re: The problem > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > seek > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > reason, > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > comes > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > what > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > The > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > is > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > -geo- that about sums up that man's worth. ...and of course your worth as well. fragile. ..b b.b. Yes...absolutely vulnerable -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > Re: The problem > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Michael Adamson > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > seek > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > reason, > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > comes > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > what > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > The > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > is > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > -geo- > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > fragile. > > .b b.b. > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > -geo- to what? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:31 PM Re: The problem Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > Re: The problem > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Michael Adamson > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of > > virtue - > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can > > only > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > seek > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may > > be > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > reason, > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > comes > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, > > for > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who > > is > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > what > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > The > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly > > still. > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > is > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming > > and > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of > > consciousness, > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, > > the > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness > > is > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - > > then > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > -geo- > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > fragile. > > .b b.b. > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > -geo- to what? ..b b.b. To all and any patterning so that they remain what they are: empty. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
