Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:31 PM > Re: The problem > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Michael Adamson > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of > > > virtue - > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can > > > only > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > seek > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may > > > be > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > reason, > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > comes > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, > > > for > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who > > > is > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > what > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > The > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly > > > still. > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > is > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming > > > and > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of > > > consciousness, > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, > > > the > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness > > > is > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - > > > then > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > -geo- > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > fragile. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > -geo- > > to what? > > .b b.b. > > To all and any patterning so that they remain what they are: empty. > -geo- left the desert stronghold. ridin' Thunder slowly into ghost town. slippin' in a perfect dirty barroom. full of liars cheats and gone soons all 'round. there's a woman counting quarters at a table. a man's choppin' wood outside the door now gents please hold your pistols. just here to wet the whistle. i'm afraid i don't love her anymore. ever tell yourself a lie so many times.. that you convince yourself it's true? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 > > > left the desert stronghold. > > ridin' Thunder slowly into ghost town. > > slippin' in a perfect dirty barroom. > > full of liars cheats and gone soons all 'round. > > there's a woman counting quarters at a table. > > a man's choppin' wood outside the door > > now gents please hold your pistols. > > just here to wet the whistle. > > i'm afraid i don't love her anymore. > > ever tell yourself a lie so many times.. > > that you convince yourself it's true? > > .b b.b. P: He arrived late at the church. The bride and guests were gone. To the empty church he said, " I do! " A ghostly voice said from above, " I declare you man and wife, now go an screw yourself. " > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > left the desert stronghold. > > > > ridin' Thunder slowly into ghost town. > > > > slippin' in a perfect dirty barroom. > > > > full of liars cheats and gone soons all 'round. > > > > there's a woman counting quarters at a table. > > > > a man's choppin' wood outside the door > > > > now gents please hold your pistols. > > > > just here to wet the whistle. > > > > i'm afraid i don't love her anymore. > > > > ever tell yourself a lie so many times.. > > > > that you convince yourself it's true? > > > > .b b.b. > > P: He arrived late at the church. The bride > and guests were gone. To the empty church > he said, " I do! " > > A ghostly voice said from above, > " I declare you man and wife, now go an screw > yourself. " Hark! and unto her shall be delivered a motherless child. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > left the desert stronghold. > > > > > > ridin' Thunder slowly into ghost town. > > > > > > slippin' in a perfect dirty barroom. > > > > > > full of liars cheats and gone soons all 'round. > > > > > > there's a woman counting quarters at a table. > > > > > > a man's choppin' wood outside the door > > > > > > now gents please hold your pistols. > > > > > > just here to wet the whistle. > > > > > > i'm afraid i don't love her anymore. > > > > > > ever tell yourself a lie so many times.. > > > > > > that you convince yourself it's true? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > P: He arrived late at the church. The bride > > and guests were gone. To the empty church > > he said, " I do! " > > > > A ghostly voice said from above, > > " I declare you man and wife, now go an screw > > yourself. " > > > > Hark! > > and unto her shall be delivered a motherless child. > > .b b.b. but that doesn't mean he's not a motha. it just means he's not a mofo. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is not death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, > > > > > > > and has them thinking about death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution is now, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period. > > > > > > > > > > > > birth/death = life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability. > > > > > > > > Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and - > > > > > > True... only, nobody constructed it. Everything just happens. > > > > The only meaning for the word " everything " is what you supply as meaning. > > > > And the meaning of " you " ? > > > > Who supplies that? > > > > So, nothing just happens. > > > > Unless " you " do. > > > > And you can't make yourself happen. > > > > So, nothing happens. > > > > - d - > > OK, I'll reword: Nothing happens volitionally. Better? I'll reword it. Nothing just happens, without actually happening. Okay? - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 except the immeasurable that came into being, never came into being. wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the black hole where he heard the silence? or maybe he did, and left a puppet image to speak words to audiences ... - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > except the immeasurable that came into being, never came into being. > > wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the black hole where he heard the silence? > > or maybe he did, and left a puppet image to speak words to audiences ... > > - d - " he " is not there.. nor nowhere. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > Re: The problem > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Michael Adamson > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > seek > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > reason, > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > comes > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > what > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > The > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > is > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > -geo- > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > fragile. > > .b b.b. > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > -geo- human lives are extremely vulnerable and temporary this is their poignancy and beauty - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Michael Adamson > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > seek > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > reason, > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > comes > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > what > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > The > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > is > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > -geo- > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > fragile. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > -geo- > > > to what? > > .b b.b. dissolution ... as never having been ... - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Michael Adamson > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > seek > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > reason, > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > comes > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > what > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > The > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > is > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > -geo- > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > fragile. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > -geo- > > human lives are extremely vulnerable and temporary > > this is their poignancy and beauty > - d - knowing that nothing is poignant nor beautiful.. nor their opposites.. is the berries! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > > seek > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > > reason, > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > > comes > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > > what > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > > The > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > > is > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > -geo- > > > > > > to what? > > > > .b b.b. > > dissolution ... > > as never having been ... > > - d - that's not vulnerability. that's ignorance. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > except the immeasurable that came into being, never came into being. > > > > wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the black hole where he heard the silence? > > > > or maybe he did, and left a puppet image to speak words to audiences ... > > > > - d - > > > " he " is not there.. > > nor nowhere. > > .b b.b. speaking words to the audience of the mind of the words speaking - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > > seek > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > > reason, > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > > comes > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > > what > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > > The > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > > is > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > -geo- > > > > human lives are extremely vulnerable and temporary > > > > this is their poignancy and beauty > > - d - > > > knowing that nothing is poignant nor beautiful.. > > nor their opposites.. > > is the berries! > > .b b.b. love is never having to say you're a berry. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > > > seek > > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > > > reason, > > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > > > comes > > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > > > what > > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > > > The > > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > > > is > > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > to what? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > dissolution ... > > > > as never having been ... > > > > - d - > > > that's not vulnerability. > > that's ignorance. > > .b b.b. it's beautiful. being this vulnerability. that is empty of itself ... -- d -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > > > seek > > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > > > reason, > > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > > > comes > > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > > > what > > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > > > The > > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > > > is > > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > > -geo- > > > > > > human lives are extremely vulnerable and temporary > > > > > > this is their poignancy and beauty > > > - d - > > > > > > knowing that nothing is poignant nor beautiful.. > > > > nor their opposites.. > > > > is the berries! > > > > .b b.b. > > love is never having to say you're a berry. > > - d - beri beri funny. is that some sort of raspberry? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > > > > seek > > > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > > > > reason, > > > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > > > > comes > > > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > > > > what > > > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > > > > The > > > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > > > > is > > > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > to what? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > dissolution ... > > > > > > as never having been ... > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > that's not vulnerability. > > > > that's ignorance. > > > > .b b.b. > > it's beautiful. > > being this vulnerability. > > that is empty of itself ... > > -- d -- ignore that thought. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > it's beautiful. > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > -- d -- > > > ignore that thought. > > .b b.b. There's nobody separate from it to ignore it. " Ignore that thought " was another thought following the original thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > it's beautiful. > > > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > > > -- d -- > > > > > > ignore that thought. > > > > .b b.b. > > There's nobody separate from it to ignore it. > > " Ignore that thought " was another thought following the original thought. ignore what you believe is so. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > it's beautiful. > > > > > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > > > > > -- d -- > > > > > > > > > ignore that thought. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There's nobody separate from it to ignore it. > > > > " Ignore that thought " was another thought following the original thought. > > > ignore what you believe is so. > > .b b.b. just don't ignore ignoring. if you can't. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > it's beautiful. > > > > > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > > > > > -- d -- > > > > > > > > > ignore that thought. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There's nobody separate from it to ignore it. > > > > " Ignore that thought " was another thought following the original thought. > > > ignore what you believe is so. > > .b b.b. I don't believe anything is so. I am the belief that I am so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > it's beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > > > > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > > > > > > > -- d -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore that thought. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > There's nobody separate from it to ignore it. > > > > > > " Ignore that thought " was another thought following the original thought. > > > > > > ignore what you believe is so. > > > > .b b.b. > > I don't believe anything is so. > > I am the belief that I am so. ignore that. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:12 PM Re: The problem Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that > may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence > cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This > silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the > process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built > up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the > timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the > experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a > past silence, and what is experienced by th e experiencer is merely a > self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so > the mind must be utterly still. > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming > and recording is a constant process of the different layers of > consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial > mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the > whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which > is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being. > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 except the immeasurable that came into being, never came into being. d geo> That shows the relativity of words wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the black hole where he heard the silence? d geo> That shows the absolutness of preconception or maybe he did, and left a puppet image to speak words to audiences ... - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:52 PM Re: The problem Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of > > > > > virtue - > > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought > > > > > can only > > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the > > > > > known. > > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the > > > > > known. To > > > > > seek > > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security > > > > > that may be > > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For > > > > > this > > > > > reason, > > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence > > > > > cannot be > > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This > > > > > silence > > > > > comes > > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the > > > > > process of > > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up > > > > > through > > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the > > > > > timeless, for > > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer > > > > > who is > > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past > > > > > silence, and > > > > > what > > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected > > > > > repetition. > > > > > The > > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly > > > > > still. > > > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, > > > > > when it > > > > > is > > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This > > > > > naming and > > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of > > > > > consciousness, > > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is > > > > > quiet, the > > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole > > > > > consciousness is > > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is > > > > > spontaneity - then > > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid > > > > > cristal. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > to what? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > dissolution ... > > > > as never having been ... > > > > - d - > > > that's not vulnerability. > > that's ignorance. > > .b b.b. it's beautiful. being this vulnerability. that is empty of itself ... -- d -- Being this vulnerability that is itself -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > geo> That shows the relativity of words > > wonder what held him back from going body/mind totally into/as the > black > hole where he heard the silence? > d I wonder that, too, being He. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM > > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Michael Adamson > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM > > > > > > > Re: The problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - > > > > > > > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only > > > > > > > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. > > > > > > > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To > > > > > > > seek > > > > > > > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be > > > > > > > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this > > > > > > > reason, > > > > > > > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be > > > > > > > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of > > > > > > > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through > > > > > > > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for > > > > > > > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is > > > > > > > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and > > > > > > > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, > > > > > > > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the > > > > > > > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is > > > > > > > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then > > > > > > > only does the immeasurable come into being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > that about sums up that man's worth. > > > > > > > > > > > > ..and of course your worth as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > fragile. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes...absolutely vulnerable > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to what? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > dissolution ... > > > > > > > > as never having been ... > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > that's not vulnerability. > > > > > > that's ignorance. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > it's beautiful. > > > > being this vulnerability. > > > > that is empty of itself ... > > > > -- d -- > > > ignore that thought. > > .b b.b. > don't blame me it was the nun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
