Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. I don't need to have a breakdown, at least not in the psychiatric sense. Rather, I can let go of " you " . I don't need you. I don't need anything outside myself to be. > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ I don't have to wait long at all. In fact, now is the time. I am just here, by myself, alone, free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When will I learn to let go? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you realize that you are using your own dream boot straps in > > > > your struggle to lift your self out of its own dream. > > > > > > When will I stop struggling? > > > > > > Stop fighting? > > > > > > When will I stop pushing myself away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you see what you are doing. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Yes... when I see what I am doing. > > Do I see what I'm doing? > As a master magician works his magic on stage.......your eyes wander to the young lady in the skimpy dress....... Someone sitting beside you whispers: " Keep your eyes on the magician. " You turn. The seat is empty. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > I don't need to have a breakdown, at least not in the psychiatric sense. Rather, I can let go of " you " . I don't need you. I don't need anything outside myself to be. > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > I don't have to wait long at all. In fact, now is the time. I am just here, by myself, alone, free. > Is that enough? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > > > I don't need to have a breakdown, at least not in the psychiatric sense. Rather, I can let go of " you " . I don't need you. I don't need anything outside myself to be. > > > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > > > I don't have to wait long at all. In fact, now is the time. I am just here, by myself, alone, free. > > > > > > Is that enough? > > > > > toombaru It's enough when I've had enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > >D: Here is where it gets interesting. > > > > > > > > > > One looks into this 'me' and understands it for what it is, an > > > > > activity, > > > > > an attempt to hold on, and therefore understands what it is not. It > > > > > is not > > > > > an actually existing thing, being, or center. > > > > > > > > > > Through this very clarity, the 'me' no longer is able to function > > > > > here as > > > > > a center. This has nothing to do with proving anything to anyone > > > > > " else. " > > > > > It has nothing to do with proving I'm unselfish, not greedy, will > > > > > give > > > > > away all my possessions, etc. There is nothing to prove. It is not > > > > > about > > > > > how the world (other people) judge whether or not there is a self to > > > > > a > > > > > person. It is a matter of vision, of awareness. > > > > > > > > > > And there is no 'me' anywhere in the universe. > > > > > > > > > > Not here, now, so not there, then. Now/then is undivided, in > > > > > here/out > > > > > there undivided. > > > > > > > > > > Although one notices activities happening, as if there were an > > > > > attempt to > > > > > hold, as if there could be a 'me' somewhere. These activities are > > > > > the > > > > > unfolding of the human being as the human being manifests as lives > > > > > through > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > One understands that all activities of holding unwind, it's just a > > > > > matter > > > > > of time. > > > > > > > > > > And one's time is timeless, one's life is being lived through and > > > > > there is > > > > > no 'me' center found anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > Not inside or outside. > > > > > > > > > > And therefore, the awareness inside and the awareness outside has no > > > > > division. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > P: That is very good, Dan! I would only change > > > > the last sentence to read: And therefore, awareness > > > > is the same in all brains. Your sentence could be > > > > understood as if asserting a universal awareness. > > > > > > > > geo>P, waht do you mean by universal awareness? > > > > > > P: That awareness could exist without brains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > neither no nor not no, no? > > .b b.b. > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > -geo- brains are not required. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >D: Here is where it gets interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > One looks into this 'me' and understands it for what it is, an > > > > > > activity, > > > > > > an attempt to hold on, and therefore understands what it is not. It > > > > > > is not > > > > > > an actually existing thing, being, or center. > > > > > > > > > > > > Through this very clarity, the 'me' no longer is able to function > > > > > > here as > > > > > > a center. This has nothing to do with proving anything to anyone > > > > > > " else. " > > > > > > It has nothing to do with proving I'm unselfish, not greedy, will > > > > > > give > > > > > > away all my possessions, etc. There is nothing to prove. It is not > > > > > > about > > > > > > how the world (other people) judge whether or not there is a self to > > > > > > a > > > > > > person. It is a matter of vision, of awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > And there is no 'me' anywhere in the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not here, now, so not there, then. Now/then is undivided, in > > > > > > here/out > > > > > > there undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although one notices activities happening, as if there were an > > > > > > attempt to > > > > > > hold, as if there could be a 'me' somewhere. These activities are > > > > > > the > > > > > > unfolding of the human being as the human being manifests as lives > > > > > > through > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > One understands that all activities of holding unwind, it's just a > > > > > > matter > > > > > > of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > And one's time is timeless, one's life is being lived through and > > > > > > there is > > > > > > no 'me' center found anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not inside or outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore, the awareness inside and the awareness outside has no > > > > > > division. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > P: That is very good, Dan! I would only change > > > > > the last sentence to read: And therefore, awareness > > > > > is the same in all brains. Your sentence could be > > > > > understood as if asserting a universal awareness. > > > > > > > > > > geo>P, waht do you mean by universal awareness? > > > > > > > > P: That awareness could exist without brains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > neither no nor not no, no? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > -geo- > > > > > > No. > > > > toombaru that answer is without quality. it doesn't have brains. it's somehow " here " being responded to. it doesn't require that reply. why not " it " ? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > -geo- > > > > " A brain " is a thought in the mind. The brain is irrelevant to everyday life, unless perhaps getting brain surgery ;-). Try living without your brain. " who " should try to live? ..b b.b. > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 25, 2009 3:13 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > " A brain " is a thought in the mind. The brain is irrelevant to everyday > > > life, unless perhaps getting brain surgery ;-). > > > > Try living without your brain. > > > > toombaru > > > > In deep sleep the universe is gone? How then can it reapear? > > -geo- > It reappears within the conceptual-mnemonic machinery. > > ...all of which occurs within the mass of jelly in your head that you call " my brain " . > > > > > toombaru and that mass of jelly in your head spins this bullshit. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > No. > > > > toombaru > > > > Dear forum members...you may write...but not loudly please..our friend > > toomba needs some sleep. ...ssssssssshhh. > > Just because you dont know what you where before being born means nothing as > > a ground was? > > Is that which you where before being born gone now?? > > ssssssshhh... > > -geo- > > > > > Where did you get the idea that you were something before you were born? > > Do you imagine that it came from the same place that the idea that you will live after you die? > > I have some news: > > The you that you think you are......never was born.......but it will die. > > > > toombaru P: " You " got that right! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >D: Here is where it gets interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > One looks into this 'me' and understands it for what it is, an > > > > > > activity, > > > > > > an attempt to hold on, and therefore understands what it is not. It > > > > > > is not > > > > > > an actually existing thing, being, or center. > > > > > > > > > > > > Through this very clarity, the 'me' no longer is able to function > > > > > > here as > > > > > > a center. This has nothing to do with proving anything to anyone > > > > > > " else. " > > > > > > It has nothing to do with proving I'm unselfish, not greedy, will > > > > > > give > > > > > > away all my possessions, etc. There is nothing to prove. It is not > > > > > > about > > > > > > how the world (other people) judge whether or not there is a self to > > > > > > a > > > > > > person. It is a matter of vision, of awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > And there is no 'me' anywhere in the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not here, now, so not there, then. Now/then is undivided, in > > > > > > here/out > > > > > > there undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although one notices activities happening, as if there were an > > > > > > attempt to > > > > > > hold, as if there could be a 'me' somewhere. These activities are > > > > > > the > > > > > > unfolding of the human being as the human being manifests as lives > > > > > > through > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > One understands that all activities of holding unwind, it's just a > > > > > > matter > > > > > > of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > And one's time is timeless, one's life is being lived through and > > > > > > there is > > > > > > no 'me' center found anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not inside or outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore, the awareness inside and the awareness outside has no > > > > > > division. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > P: That is very good, Dan! I would only change > > > > > the last sentence to read: And therefore, awareness > > > > > is the same in all brains. Your sentence could be > > > > > understood as if asserting a universal awareness. > > > > > > > > > > geo>P, waht do you mean by universal awareness? > > > > > > > > P: That awareness could exist without brains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > neither no nor not no, no? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > -geo- > > > brains are not required. > > .b b.b. > Is that what you brain tells you? toombsru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > brains are not required. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Is that what you brain tells you? > > > > > toombsru I'm beginning to objectify again. The brain is a thought here. Brains don't tell me anything. I don't need an external object to be " me " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > brains are not required. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Is that what you brain tells you? > > > > > > > > > > toombsru > > I'm beginning to objectify again. The brain is a thought here. Brains don't tell me anything. I don't need an external object to be " me " . > Yes.....you do. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > brains are not required. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that what you brain tells you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombsru > > > > I'm beginning to objectify again. The brain is a thought here. Brains don't tell me anything. I don't need an external object to be " me " . > > > > > > > Yes.....you do. > > > > toombaru Correct. One needs an external object to be a " self " ... namely the body. Memory is also external and objective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > brains are not required. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that what you brain tells you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombsru > > > > I'm beginning to objectify again. The brain is a thought here. Brains don't tell me anything. I don't need an external object to be " me " . > > > > > > > Yes.....you do. > > > > toombaru Correct. One needs an external object to be a " self " ... namely the body. Memory is also external and objective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > > > > toombaru don't attach to a dream, and it is of no concern. the only breakdown is of the attaching attempt. don't attach and you don't need to wait. now. is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > I don't need to have a breakdown, at least not in the psychiatric sense. Rather, I can let go of " you " . I don't need you. I don't need anything outside myself to be. > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > I don't have to wait long at all. In fact, now is the time. I am just here, by myself, alone, free. I enjoyed reading this, right after I read and responded to the same message. Yes. Now. So simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > and that mass of jelly in your head spins this bullshit. > > .b b.b. amen. ..d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > don't attach to a dream, and it is of no concern. > > the only breakdown is of the attaching attempt. > > don't attach and you don't need to wait. > > now. > > is. > Ahhhh......if were only that simple. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > > > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > don't attach to a dream, and it is of no concern. > > > > the only breakdown is of the attaching attempt. > > > > don't attach and you don't need to wait. > > > > now. > > > > is. > Ahhhh......if were only that simple. > > > > > toombaru You are not telling the truth. You *want* it all to be complicated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > > > > > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > don't attach to a dream, and it is of no concern. > > > > > > the only breakdown is of the attaching attempt. > > > > > > don't attach and you don't need to wait. > > > > > > now. > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhh......if were only that simple. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > You are not telling the truth. > > You *want* it all to be complicated. > Dan offers the bromide: " Do not attach " . Do you think that the self can extricate itself from its conundrum so easily? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 In a message dated 5/25/2009 10:18:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Hi Phil (welcome back to the list, BTW) --Nisargadatta , "Phil" <souldreamone wrote:>> Something is experiencing and responding, and as such, offering > advice to the thing experiencing and responding doesn't seem to me to > be a totally insane thing to do.I'm experiencing your experiencing, and responding to your responding.I'm aware of that.What I'm not aware of is anything apart -- like, "someone else" experiencing and responding.All advice offered is to myself ;-). ***Hi Tim. Yeah, i'm back to remind myself why I left. I'm sure it will come to me. Hehe. Yes, advice offered to mySelf, but not to the ego self. No ego is listening. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > > > > > > > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > > > > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > don't attach to a dream, and it is of no concern. > > > > > > > > the only breakdown is of the attaching attempt. > > > > > > > > don't attach and you don't need to wait. > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhh......if were only that simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > You are not telling the truth. > > > > You *want* it all to be complicated. > > > > > > Dan offers the bromide: " Do not attach " . > > Do you think that the self can extricate itself from its conundrum so easily? > > > > > toombaru So, now you're concerned about extricating a self that doesn't exist? And you think bromides are being offered to it? Sheesh, and double sheesh. Nyah, nyah, nyah, ad infinitum. -- D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > So, now you're concerned about extricating a self that doesn't exist? > > And you think bromides are being offered to it? > > Sheesh, and double sheesh. > > Nyah, nyah, nyah, ad infinitum. > > > -- D. Toomie seems to go back and forth between " there isn't one " and " there is one " . House of cards up, blow down. Up, down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > So, now you're concerned about extricating a self that doesn't exist? > > > > And you think bromides are being offered to it? > > > > Sheesh, and double sheesh. > > > > Nyah, nyah, nyah, ad infinitum. > > > > > > -- D. > > Toomie seems to go back and forth between " there isn't one " and " there is one " . > That's because there is.......and there isn't. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...the farmer waits for rain........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > don't attach to a dream, and it is of no concern. > > > > > > > > > > the only breakdown is of the attaching attempt. > > > > > > > > > > don't attach and you don't need to wait. > > > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhh......if were only that simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > You are not telling the truth. > > > > > > You *want* it all to be complicated. > > > > > > > > > > > Dan offers the bromide: " Do not attach " . > > > > Do you think that the self can extricate itself from its conundrum so easily? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > So, now you're concerned about extricating a self that doesn't exist? > > And you think bromides are being offered to it? > > Sheesh, and double sheesh. > > Nyah, nyah, nyah, ad infinitum. > > > -- D. > And yet you advise not to attach? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
