Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Sages use the term " dream " to speak of the conceptual overlay simply because it is as close as a word can come in the attempt of the illusory self to describe its own non-reality. > > Sages.....as you said in one of your posts.....have a foot in both worlds. > > One world is closed....the other open. > > And the attempt to describe that has to come from the closed part. > > > > LOL > toombaru " I am in the world, but not of the world. " or ... " I breathe out the world, and I am in. " " I breathe in the world, and I am out. " Brahman was said to breathe out, and the world appeared. Breathe in, and the world disappeared. And who breathed Brahman? No who. Breathing in, no time. Breathing out, time. The timing of timeless time. The gap " between " breaths. The middle way. The space between words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > The self cannot awaken. > > The self IS the dream. > > > > toombaru Yes. And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other reality. So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same nonsense. Non. Sense. === Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> I see all that you are saying. But what is consciousness? Is it > not the > > > > sense of being one amongst many? > > > > > > If that's how you define the word. From here, the sense of being one amongst many is not inherent in consciousness. > > > > > > Or, if you like, there's consciousness and then there's awareness (this is how Nisargadatta defined things). According to him we can be aware of being conscious, but not conscious of being aware. > > > > > > > Consciousness is a " something " and it is " real " as a river of > > > > illusion. A > > > > univesal impersonal river of illusion. > > > > > > The notion of " universal consciousness " probably feels impersonal because it's inferred. This inferred impersonality is what creates the notion of individuality being personal. > > > > > > This train of thought could go on forever, and it's more or less pointless. To find out what we are, we need to drop all notions of collectivity and go within (stay with the " I AM " , as Nisargatta would say). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go within? > > Yes... be alone, totally independent, detached from the objective, immersed in yourself. Rest in yourself, in your own Being, instead of being dependent on 'others' as a flimsy house of cards. if one is alone.. there must be others of whom one can be alone from. rise beyond aloneness. it's a trifling conditional state of being. totally dependent on nonexistent otherness. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > geo> And the subconscious is not part of consciousness? > > If we stick to Nis. nomeclature - it certainly is. > > OK, if we stick to Nis. nomenclature, it is. If we stick to the way things are seen here... if one isn't conscious of something, it ain't in consciousness, at least for all practical purposes. Why do ya think they call it " waking up " , anyway? " we " don't. " you " do. " you " are wrong. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > Pete > > > > Yes. > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension one > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > So-called human life. > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > from suffering. " > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > toombaru > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > -geo- > No matter how high you stack your personal collection post-its.....you can never reach the moon. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:07 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > geo> Only being nothing, consciousness is fully seen. Consciousness > > is > > collective - many beings share it > > There are not many beings. There is only Being, which is one. > > > insofar they feel as separate inner entities looking at an outside > > separate > > world - that what consciousness is. > > Insofar as they feel separate, they are still not separate. They feel > separate because of an early mechanism in which the " me " is created by > inferring " you " -- then this " me " (which is taken to be the body) is also > taken to be subjective. > > Except the body is an object. We can witness it. Therefore, it's not the > Subject, but an object. Clearly we are not objects. What are we?;-). we are objects. you are not clear on this that's all. ..b b.b. Indeed... we are objects. More then one. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > Yes. The human world is a pattern that will dissolve only when the body > > kicks... > > -geo- > > ... or this very moment ... > > (whichever you understand to be " right now " ) > > geo> Well...then what is the difference between dissolving right now and the > organism dying? > None?? What gives the organism its breath, its appearance of life ... now? This very no-thing, this very now-moment What is there when the organism expires, stops breathing ... This very no-thing, this very now-moment How long is the subjective time between your first and last breath as a human organism? I am walking around and I am dead. My moment of birth now, is the moment of death, now. Is it possible to really be clear on this, right now? There is no time involved in what you are calling " dissolving. " The sword strikes off the head (of the separative sense of existence) in a moment of no-time The death and decomposition of the organism takes time ... Time is what you think your life is ... Time is what lives and breathes the organism, and what the organism constructs as it compares its experiencing ... Time is fragmentation ... This truth is not fragmented. Yet includes the timing of lives. Argggh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:18 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > Pete > > > > Yes. > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension > > one > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > So-called human life. > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > from suffering. " > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > toombaru > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > -geo- > No matter how high you stack your personal collection post-its.....you can never reach the moon. toombaru The patterning movement of all seemingly different patternsis just one movement. One pos-it is enough. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:48 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:40 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:32 PM > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > cerosoul > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:18 PM > > > > no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Yes. The human world is a pattern that will dissolve only when the > > > > body > > > > kicks... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Or sometimes............before. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > How? Our senses are human senses. Our brain is also human. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > There is a way to live outside of that. > > > > toombaru > > > > I agree. But the human world is still there. (...or not? hmmmm...) > > -geo- > > The world is on fire. > > Pictures appear in the fire. > > Flickering. > > The fire is the flickering. > > I am the world. > > Burning. > > No shit. > > geo> All that rests on the ground of all. Who am I? If you don't know, asking won't help. If you know, you'll have no need to ask. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > Pete > > > > Yes. > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension one > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > So-called human life. > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > from suffering. " > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > toombaru > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > -geo- No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. They point to nothing. The beyond is this, right here, right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:27 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:48 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:40 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:32 PM > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > cerosoul > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:18 PM > > > > no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Yes. The human world is a pattern that will dissolve only when the > > > > body > > > > kicks... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Or sometimes............before. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > How? Our senses are human senses. Our brain is also human. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > There is a way to live outside of that. > > > > toombaru > > > > I agree. But the human world is still there. (...or not? hmmmm...) > > -geo- > > The world is on fire. > > Pictures appear in the fire. > > Flickering. > > The fire is the flickering. > > I am the world. > > Burning. > > No shit. > > geo> All that rests on the ground of all. Who am I? If you don't know, asking won't help. If you know, you'll have no need to ask. geo> Yes. It is not a question nor an answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension one > > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > > > So-called human life. > > > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > > from suffering. " > > > > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > > > toombaru > > > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > > -geo- > > No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. > > They point to nothing. > > The beyond is this, right here, right now. > Is there a location two-hundred miles South of earth? :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension one > > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > > > So-called human life. > > > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > > from suffering. " > > > > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > > > toombaru > > > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > > -geo- > > No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. > > They point to nothing. > > The beyond is this, right here, right now. no offense.. but why do you say " no offense " .. than try and out dual nondually another nobody? talk about meaningless falderol. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:29 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > Pete > > > > Yes. > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension > > one > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > So-called human life. > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > from suffering. " > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > toombaru > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > -geo- No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. They point to nothing. The beyond is this, right here, right now. geo> It is. And this isness patterns. Thats all. Patterns include chaos, consciousness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > -geo- > > That question is an empty pattern. It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:27 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:48 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:40 PM > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:32 PM > > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > cerosoul > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:18 PM > > > > > no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Yes. The human world is a pattern that will dissolve only when the > > > > > body > > > > > kicks... > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or sometimes............before. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > How? Our senses are human senses. Our brain is also human. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > There is a way to live outside of that. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I agree. But the human world is still there. (...or not? hmmmm...) > > > -geo- > > > > The world is on fire. > > > > Pictures appear in the fire. > > > > Flickering. > > > > The fire is the flickering. > > > > I am the world. > > > > Burning. > > > > No shit. > > > > geo> All that rests on the ground of all. Who am I? > > If you don't know, asking won't help. > > If you know, you'll have no need to ask. > > geo> Yes. It is not a question nor an answer. > There comes....or not.....a conflagration in which all the post-its catch on fire and their memory remains as ripples in the clarity of the moment. The sense of I amness loses all relevance in the Un-named place....it loses its location...all of its beliefs evaporate and IT finds its self falling into What's Next......laughing. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > -geo- > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. awareness is at times out of focus? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:31 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Yes. > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > reality. > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > nonsense. > > Non. Sense. > > === > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > -geo- That question is an empty pattern. == Only if answered. It is the ending of the patterns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > -geo- > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:33 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, > > > and > > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension > > > one > > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > > > So-called human life. > > > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is > > > freedom > > > from suffering. " > > > > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > > > toombaru > > > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > > -geo- > > No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. > > They point to nothing. > > The beyond is this, right here, right now. > Is there a location two-hundred miles South of earth? :-0 toombaru See you at existence-2 -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > > > > > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. > > > > toombaru What, you have no mirrors in your house? Who broke 'em? ;-) ~A > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:34 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes. > > > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > > reality. > > > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > > nonsense. > > > > Non. Sense. > > > > === > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > > -geo- > > That question is an empty pattern. why do you seek patterns? ..b b.b. I dont. It falled upon me like a black sheet of cloth. NO idea when. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:41 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > > > > am I? > > > -geo- > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. awareness is at times out of focus? ..b b.b. It seems to focus on details and loose the whole. How is that? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:43 PM Re: no pattern Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > > > > am I? > > > -geo- > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. toombaru HEI!!!! ....who sees the patterns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:43 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > > > > > am I? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > > > > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. > > toombaru > > HEI!!!! > ...who sees the patterns? > The sense of me emerges in the seeing and then sets out to see itself. Pretty funny huh? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
