The Gift of No Words

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: Again, as in the above, those words have

> > > > > > different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably

> > > > > > without creating fuzziness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > Mark: The fuzziness you speak of is mind generated. I talk

of

> > beyond.

> > > > > I hate this format it also makes for the fuzziness

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > Mark

> > > >

> > > > P: The main difference between people

> > > > who write about spiritual matters, is that

> > > > only a few write to remove the misunderstandings

> > > > that obscure realization. Most people, and you

> > > > are included, write to evoke feelings of

> > > > pseudo- realization.

> > >

> > >

> > > oompa-pa-pa oompa-pa-pa, ...

> > >

> > > hit 'em in the head with a big kielbasa!

> > >

> > > what's to realize?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > hey shit-for-brains...(as I lovingly refer to you) every moment is

> > a new realization, what's not to realize?

> >

> > Knock knock... Who's there?.... Now how do you like me?

> >

> > Wink. Wink. Oompa-pa-pa oompa-pa-pa

> >

> > Om.

> >

> > ~A

>

>

>

>

>

> you realize dip shit.

>

> oompa-pa-pa etc. is an old high school basketball game jig and

cheer.

>

> it was in fact a compliment in direct term....

>

> for hitting the nail on the 'head'..

>

> cracking the shell.

>

> i neither like you nor dislike you.

>

> you are insignificant and meaningless..

>

> beyond the pixels and position emitting from this screen

>

> representing didly squat...

>

> in terms of anything deeper than the jack shit which they are.

>

> who loves ya baby?

>

> killing you belligerently so that you die to live.

>

> .b b.b.

>

that is such a precise statement.

I honor this truth you speak.

die to live. such a waste of nothing.

lifetime after lifetime lived with no

chance of salvation. Meanwhile Aunt

Hilda is a rotting corpse in the ground,

but REMEMBERED every Memorial Day waiting

for her reincarnated ego to be restored.

 

when rather it is to live to die.

so that nothing can be realized.

 

Mark

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Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

<marktimmins60 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > P: Again, as in the above, those words have

> > > > different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably

> > > > without creating fuzziness.

> > > > >

> > > Mark: The fuzziness you speak of is mind generated. I talk of

> beyond.

> > > I hate this format it also makes for the fuzziness

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Mark

> >

> > P: The main difference between people

> > who write about spiritual matters, is that

> > only a few write to remove the misunderstandings

> > that obscure realization. Most people, and you

> > are included, write to evoke feelings of

> > pseudo- realization.

> > >

> >differences? What differences are you talking about?

> only a few huhwould that be the few,the proud and the understood then

> yeah?? that would make you chosen then?

>

> this like kicking a dead horse.

>

> Mark

 

P: The difference is clear, and only those

who love to be duped do not see it. Most

major religions' holy books have

been written to evoke religious feelings,

rather than to free the mind. Books such

as the bible, the new testament, the gita

are works of great poetry, full of metaphors,

analogies, parables, and stories designed to

excite religious feelings. They use words

to titillate rather than to clarify.

 

Those who use words to excite, rather than

to bring clarity don't need to be precise

with words, or regard semantics. They choose

their words based on their phonetic value

rather than their meaning because they are

after musical effect to hypnotize and kindle

religious passion.

 

Having taken their clue from those holy

scripts, most people on these lists adopt the

sloppiness of such style without the poetry.

They write confused, sloppy posts that

neither delight the senses, nor feed the

mind. The sad part is that most do not

have a clue they are writing this way, or why.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: Again, as in the above, those words have

> > > > > different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably

> > > > > without creating fuzziness.

> > > > > >

> > > > Mark: The fuzziness you speak of is mind generated. I talk of

> > beyond.

> > > > I hate this format it also makes for the fuzziness

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Mark

> > >

> > > P: The main difference between people

> > > who write about spiritual matters, is that

> > > only a few write to remove the misunderstandings

> > > that obscure realization. Most people, and you

> > > are included, write to evoke feelings of

> > > pseudo- realization.

> > > >

> > >differences? What differences are you talking about?

> > only a few huhwould that be the few,the proud and the understood

then

> > yeah?? that would make you chosen then?

> >

> > this like kicking a dead horse.

> >

> > Mark

>

> P: The difference is clear, and only those

> who love to be duped do not see it. Most

> major religions' holy books have

> been written to evoke religious feelings,

> rather than to free the mind. Books such

> as the bible, the new testament, the gita

> are works of great poetry, full of metaphors,

> analogies, parables, and stories designed to

> excite religious feelings. They use words

> to titillate rather than to clarify.

>

> Those who use words to excite, rather than

> to bring clarity don't need to be precise

> with words, or regard semantics. They choose

> their words based on their phonetic value

> rather than their meaning because they are

> after musical effect to hypnotize and kindle

> religious passion.

>

> Having taken their clue from those holy

> scripts, most people on these lists adopt the

> sloppiness of such style without the poetry.

> They write confused, sloppy posts that

> neither delight the senses, nor feed the

> mind. The sad part is that most do not

> have a clue they are writing this way, or why.

>

 

 

Absolutely true, Pete ! Thanks.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: Again, as in the above, those words have

> > > > > different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably

> > > > > without creating fuzziness.

> > > > > >

> > > > Mark: The fuzziness you speak of is mind generated. I talk of

> > beyond.

> > > > I hate this format it also makes for the fuzziness

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Mark

> > >

> > > P: The main difference between people

> > > who write about spiritual matters, is that

> > > only a few write to remove the misunderstandings

> > > that obscure realization. Most people, and you

> > > are included, write to evoke feelings of

> > > pseudo- realization.

> > > >

> > >differences? What differences are you talking about?

> > only a few huhwould that be the few,the proud and the understood then

> > yeah?? that would make you chosen then?

> >

> > this like kicking a dead horse.

> >

> > Mark

>

> P: The difference is clear, and only those

> who love to be duped do not see it. Most

> major religions' holy books have

> been written to evoke religious feelings,

> rather than to free the mind. Books such

> as the bible, the new testament, the gita

> are works of great poetry, full of metaphors,

> analogies, parables, and stories designed to

> excite religious feelings. They use words

> to titillate rather than to clarify.

>

> Those who use words to excite, rather than

> to bring clarity don't need to be precise

> with words, or regard semantics. They choose

> their words based on their phonetic value

> rather than their meaning because they are

> after musical effect to hypnotize and kindle

> religious passion.

>

> Having taken their clue from those holy

> scripts, most people on these lists adopt the

> sloppiness of such style without the poetry.

> They write confused, sloppy posts that

> neither delight the senses, nor feed the

> mind. The sad part is that most do not

> have a clue they are writing this way, or why.

 

 

 

those 'most' are not real in any case.

 

doesn't matter that they are screwed up.

 

wouldn't do those bums any good even if they did have a clue.

 

so the hell with them once and for all.

 

behold! all will be very appreciative.

 

hell's attitude's another matter.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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>

>

>

>B: those 'most' are not real in any case.

 

> doesn't matter that they are screwed up.

>

> wouldn't do those bums any good even if they did have a clue.

>

> so the hell with them once and for all.

>

> behold! all will be very appreciative.

>

> hell's attitude's another matter.

>

> :-)

 

 

P: Ha, ha! Talking about unreal characters,

I was telling the folks at GR about our

Bod caper at Toombebbe. Clay thought it

was hilarious. I wish Toomb would get over

it, and start posting again. For boasting

about not existing at all, he sure is a

sensitive nonentity. )

 

 

>

> .b b.b.

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: Again, as in the above, those words have

> > > > > different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably

> > > > > without creating fuzziness.

> > > > > >

> > > > Mark: The fuzziness you speak of is mind generated. I talk of

> > beyond.

> > > > I hate this format it also makes for the fuzziness

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Mark

> > >

> > > P: The main difference between people

> > > who write about spiritual matters, is that

> > > only a few write to remove the misunderstandings

> > > that obscure realization. Most people, and you

> > > are included, write to evoke feelings of

> > > pseudo- realization.

> > > >

> > >differences? What differences are you talking about?

> > only a few huhwould that be the few,the proud and the understood

then

> > yeah?? that would make you chosen then?

> >

> > this like kicking a dead horse.

> >

> > Mark

>

> P: The difference is clear, and only those

> who love to be duped do not see it. Most

> major religions' holy books have

> been written to evoke religious feelings,

> rather than to free the mind. Books such

> as the bible, the new testament, the gita

> are works of great poetry, full of metaphors,

> analogies, parables, and stories designed to

> excite religious feelings. They use words

> to titillate rather than to clarify.

>

> Those who use words to excite, rather than

> to bring clarity don't need to be precise

> with words, or regard semantics. They choose

> their words based on their phonetic value

> rather than their meaning because they are

> after musical effect to hypnotize and kindle

> religious passion.

>

> Having taken their clue from those holy

> scripts, most people on these lists adopt the

> sloppiness of such style without the poetry.

> They write confused, sloppy posts that

> neither delight the senses, nor feed the

> mind. The sad part is that most do not

> have a clue they are writing this way, or why.

>

Hogwash, and this rubbish you are speaking there is nothing

worth picking through as you said there was a few posts ago.

Mark

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >B: those 'most' are not real in any case.

>

> > doesn't matter that they are screwed up.

> >

> > wouldn't do those bums any good even if they did have a clue.

> >

> > so the hell with them once and for all.

> >

> > behold! all will be very appreciative.

> >

> > hell's attitude's another matter.

> >

> > :-)

>

>

> P: Ha, ha! Talking about unreal characters,

> I was telling the folks at GR about our

> Bod caper at Toombebbe. Clay thought it

> was hilarious. I wish Toomb would get over

> it, and start posting again. For boasting

> about not existing at all, he sure is a

> sensitive nonentity. )

>

>

> >

> > .b b.b.

 

 

that Bodil skit was wild.

 

i didn't know toombaru quit posting.

 

i'm banned from most groups.

 

who am i to be pissed off at?

 

i don't even know.

 

sometimes a bob..or a stone sweeny knob..

 

sometimes a .b or a roberibus 3...

 

a piece of dog shit on the pathway to heaven.

 

toombaru toombaru where do you roam?

 

don't let an asshole hurt you even if hemorrhoids occasionally do.

 

oh and pete..say hi to sarlo and friends for both missing persons.

 

at least one of them...doesn't have a person to miss.

 

and it's not toom.

 

he's personally angry and saddened.

 

so at least his hello at my request is likely true.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > >

> > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute,

> > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > true Clingones. )

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to Nisargadatta,

> > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says that

> > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > >

> > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > >

> > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > differentiated both concepts.

> > >

> > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > >

> > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > And this one is starting to stink.

> >

> > Mark

>

> P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> >

>

 

Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. When

there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind,

consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , it only

means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is no " I

am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes with

the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation ceases.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

 

Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some kind of

bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this debate

and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really grasp?

Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die this way

then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego

preservation.

 

 

Mark

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >B: those 'most' are not real in any case.

> >

> > > doesn't matter that they are screwed up.

> > >

> > > wouldn't do those bums any good even if they did have a clue.

> > >

> > > so the hell with them once and for all.

> > >

> > > behold! all will be very appreciative.

> > >

> > > hell's attitude's another matter.

> > >

> > > :-)

> >

> >

> > P: Ha, ha! Talking about unreal characters,

> > I was telling the folks at GR about our

> > Bod caper at Toombebbe. Clay thought it

> > was hilarious. I wish Toomb would get over

> > it, and start posting again. For boasting

> > about not existing at all, he sure is a

> > sensitive nonentity. )

> >

> >

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

>

>

> that Bodil skit was wild.

>

> i didn't know toombaru quit posting.

>

> i'm banned from most groups.

>

> who am i to be pissed off at?

>

> i don't even know.

>

> sometimes a bob..or a stone sweeny knob..

>

> sometimes a .b or a roberibus 3...

>

> a piece of dog shit on the pathway to heaven.

>

> toombaru toombaru where do you roam?

>

> don't let an asshole hurt you even if hemorrhoids occasionally do.

>

> oh and pete..say hi to sarlo and friends for both missing persons.

>

> at least one of them...doesn't have a person to miss.

>

> and it's not toom.

>

> he's personally angry and saddened.

>

> so at least his hello at my request is likely true.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

 

 

Well, sweetcakes baba ganoush, when ya go trolling ya never know

when ya poke someone in the I...

 

Love ya all...all your aliases and altered identities. Well, some of

them, anyway...

 

;-)

 

~A

 

 

U sure ur name ain't Brian?

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >B: those 'most' are not real in any case.

> > >

> > > > doesn't matter that they are screwed up.

> > > >

> > > > wouldn't do those bums any good even if they did have a clue.

> > > >

> > > > so the hell with them once and for all.

> > > >

> > > > behold! all will be very appreciative.

> > > >

> > > > hell's attitude's another matter.

> > > >

> > > > :-)

> > >

> > >

> > > P: Ha, ha! Talking about unreal characters,

> > > I was telling the folks at GR about our

> > > Bod caper at Toombebbe. Clay thought it

> > > was hilarious. I wish Toomb would get over

> > > it, and start posting again. For boasting

> > > about not existing at all, he sure is a

> > > sensitive nonentity. )

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> >

> >

> > that Bodil skit was wild.

> >

> > i didn't know toombaru quit posting.

> >

> > i'm banned from most groups.

> >

> > who am i to be pissed off at?

> >

> > i don't even know.

> >

> > sometimes a bob..or a stone sweeny knob..

> >

> > sometimes a .b or a roberibus 3...

> >

> > a piece of dog shit on the pathway to heaven.

> >

> > toombaru toombaru where do you roam?

> >

> > don't let an asshole hurt you even if hemorrhoids occasionally do.

> >

> > oh and pete..say hi to sarlo and friends for both missing persons.

> >

> > at least one of them...doesn't have a person to miss.

> >

> > and it's not toom.

> >

> > he's personally angry and saddened.

> >

> > so at least his hello at my request is likely true.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

>

>

> Well, sweetcakes baba ganoush, when ya go trolling ya never know

> when ya poke someone in the I...

>

> Love ya all...all your aliases and altered identities. Well, some of

> them, anyway...

>

> ;-)

>

> ~A

>

>

> U sure ur name ain't Brian?

 

 

actually ms.tabbouleh..

 

i am he who cannot be named.

 

and he trolls only for trout.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >B: those 'most' are not real in any case.

> > > >

> > > > > doesn't matter that they are screwed up.

> > > > >

> > > > > wouldn't do those bums any good even if they did have a clue.

> > > > >

> > > > > so the hell with them once and for all.

> > > > >

> > > > > behold! all will be very appreciative.

> > > > >

> > > > > hell's attitude's another matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > :-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > P: Ha, ha! Talking about unreal characters,

> > > > I was telling the folks at GR about our

> > > > Bod caper at Toombebbe. Clay thought it

> > > > was hilarious. I wish Toomb would get over

> > > > it, and start posting again. For boasting

> > > > about not existing at all, he sure is a

> > > > sensitive nonentity. )

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > >

> > > that Bodil skit was wild.

> > >

> > > i didn't know toombaru quit posting.

> > >

> > > i'm banned from most groups.

> > >

> > > who am i to be pissed off at?

> > >

> > > i don't even know.

> > >

> > > sometimes a bob..or a stone sweeny knob..

> > >

> > > sometimes a .b or a roberibus 3...

> > >

> > > a piece of dog shit on the pathway to heaven.

> > >

> > > toombaru toombaru where do you roam?

> > >

> > > don't let an asshole hurt you even if hemorrhoids occasionally do.

> > >

> > > oh and pete..say hi to sarlo and friends for both missing persons.

> > >

> > > at least one of them...doesn't have a person to miss.

> > >

> > > and it's not toom.

> > >

> > > he's personally angry and saddened.

> > >

> > > so at least his hello at my request is likely true.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Well, sweetcakes baba ganoush, when ya go trolling ya never know

> > when ya poke someone in the I...

> >

> > Love ya all...all your aliases and altered identities. Well, some of

> > them, anyway...

> >

> > ;-)

> >

> > ~A

> >

> >

> > U sure ur name ain't Brian?

>

>

> actually ms.tabbouleh..

>

> i am he who cannot be named.

>

> and he trolls only for trout.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

 

trolling for trout is easy when they're

going upstream... o wait... that's salmon.

 

sorry.

 

;-)

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > >

> > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute,

> > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > true Clingones. )

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to Nisargadatta,

> > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says that

> > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > >

> > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > >

> > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > differentiated both concepts.

> > >

> > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > >

> > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > And this one is starting to stink.

> >

> > Mark

> >

>

>

> And now, Pete,

>

> you again may have realized, as already hundred times before, that if

> someone has decided to kick your arse, you cannot chance it, no good

> will or patient argumentation will help to change its end. His

> decision definitely, without doubt, was triggered by something you

> wrote which then took root in his system and because irrational,

> neither you nor he himself was able to influence its course and

> consequences.

>

>

>

> Werner

 

P: I think he's beginning to feel threatened

by the conversation. The deluded fear clarity,

as much as roaches fear the light. One of the

signs of this is when someone stops rebutting

ideas and resorts to personal insults. He'll,

probably, join Phil in self-imposed exile soon.

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> that Bodil skit was wild.

>

> i didn't know toombaru quit posting.

>

> i'm banned from most groups.

>

> who am i to be pissed off at?

>

> i don't even know.

>

> sometimes a bob..or a stone sweeny knob..

>

> sometimes a .b or a roberibus 3...

>

> a piece of dog shit on the pathway to heaven.

>

> toombaru toombaru where do you roam?

>

> don't let an asshole hurt you even if hemorrhoids occasionally do.

>

> oh and pete..say hi to sarlo and friends for both missing persons.

>

> at least one of them...doesn't have a person to miss.

>

> and it's not toom.

>

> he's personally angry and saddened.

>

> so at least his hello at my request is likely true.

>

> .b b.b.

 

P: Well, I think the material you're posting

nowadays will be welcome by most list's owners.

So, maybe, is time to create a new persona and

join GR. There are a couple of new guys there

that would fall at the feet of a male bodil

and salivate all over them. These guys were

tailor made for you, and you'll know them as

soon you read their posts. It ought to be great

fun.

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> >

> >

> > that Bodil skit was wild.

> >

> > i didn't know toombaru quit posting.

> >

> > i'm banned from most groups.

> >

> > who am i to be pissed off at?

> >

> > i don't even know.

> >

> > sometimes a bob..or a stone sweeny knob..

> >

> > sometimes a .b or a roberibus 3...

> >

> > a piece of dog shit on the pathway to heaven.

> >

> > toombaru toombaru where do you roam?

> >

> > don't let an asshole hurt you even if hemorrhoids occasionally do.

> >

> > oh and pete..say hi to sarlo and friends for both missing persons.

> >

> > at least one of them...doesn't have a person to miss.

> >

> > and it's not toom.

> >

> > he's personally angry and saddened.

> >

> > so at least his hello at my request is likely true.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> P: Well, I think the material you're posting

> nowadays will be welcome by most list's owners.

> So, maybe, is time to create a new persona and

> join GR. There are a couple of new guys there

> that would fall at the feet of a male bodil

> and salivate all over them. These guys were

> tailor made for you, and you'll know them as

> soon you read their posts. It ought to be great

> fun.

> >

>

 

 

 

now you see me,

now you don't,

how do you like me now?

 

~A

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

<marktimmins60 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute,

> > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > true Clingones. )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to Nisargadatta,

> > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says that

> > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > >

> > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > >

> > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > >

> > > >

http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > >

> > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > >

> > > Mark

> >

> > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > >

> >

>

> Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. When

> there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind,

> consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , it

only

> means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is

no " I

> am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes with

> the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation ceases.

> Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

>

> Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some kind of

> bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this debate

> and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really grasp?

> Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die this

way

> then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego

> preservation.

>

>

> Mark

>

 

 

Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

 

poor Pete...

 

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions about?

 

there is nobody who care about such details....

 

peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

 

.....

 

consciousness is related to an imaginary somebody.....acting & reacting

on an appearent

world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

 

and mainly on his/herself so.

 

.....

 

awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no

illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No world

(s)

 

awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an

expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

 

(awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

<marktimmins60 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > Mark

> >

> > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > >

> >

>

> Consciousness comes and goes,

 

 

> awareness shines immutably.

 

 

In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness does not

exist, only consciousness.

 

Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for me.

 

Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe is

nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

 

Werner

 

 

> When there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind,

> consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , it

only

> means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is

no " I

> am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes with

> the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation ceases.

> Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

>

> Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some kind of

> bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this debate

> and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really grasp?

> Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die this

way

> then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego

> preservation.

>

>

> Mark

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

 

>

> In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness does not

> exist, only consciousness.

>

> Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for me.

>

> Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe is

> nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

>

> Werner

 

 

you are of course quite correct werner.

 

neither niz nor ram man knew very much at all.

 

they didn't clutter their minds with useless shit like you do.

 

they are THERE man!

 

silly science games of imagination are for children.

 

talk about nonsense.

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > Mark

> > >

>

> > >

> >

> > M: Consciousness comes and goes,

>

>

> > awareness shines immutably.

>

>

>W: In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness does not

> exist, only consciousness.

>

> Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for me.

>

> Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe is

> nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

>

> Werner

 

P: I think we have to take into consideration

that Nis did not speak English, and therefore

never used the word 'awareness' at all. It was

the translator who chose awareness as the best

translation for the word Maharaj was using.

Only a person who speaks both English, and Marathi

can opine if awareness came even close to what

Maharaj was trying to convey. If any reader is

fluent in Marathi, maybe he/she could clarify

that.

 

That, might help people like Mark who takes

words literally and thinks that by asking for a hamburger

he would get a different ground beef patty, than the

one he'd get if he asks for ground beef patty in a bun.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

wrote:

> > > > > Mark

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > >

> > > M: Consciousness comes and goes,

> >

> >

> > > awareness shines immutably.

> >

> >

> >W: In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness

does not

> > exist, only consciousness.

> >

> > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for

me.

> >

> > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe

is

> > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

> >

> > Werner

>

> P: I think we have to take into consideration

> that Nis did not speak English, and therefore

> never used the word 'awareness' at all. It was

> the translator who chose awareness as the best

> translation for the word Maharaj was using.

> Only a person who speaks both English, and Marathi

> can opine if awareness came even close to what

> Maharaj was trying to convey. If any reader is

> fluent in Marathi, maybe he/she could clarify

> that.

>

 

 

Yes, Pete, that makes sense,

 

seen in the light you threw on it I can only admit that I do not and

cannot know what Niz has meant with " awareness " .

 

Thanks ... Werner

 

 

 

> That, might help people like Mark who takes

> words literally and thinks that by asking for a hamburger

> he would get a different ground beef patty, than the

> one he'd get if he asks for ground beef patty in a bun.

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

 

> Yes, Pete, that makes sense,

>

> seen in the light you threw on it I can only admit that I do not and

> cannot know what Niz has meant with " awareness " .

>

> Thanks ... Werner

 

 

 

 

see there werner..

 

awareness can shine for you.

 

once you empty out some of that whatever it is..

 

that seems to clog up the works for you.

 

shine on harvest moon.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

wrote:

> > > > > Mark

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > >

> > > M: Consciousness comes and goes,

> >

> >

> > > awareness shines immutably.

> >

> >

> >W: In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness

does not

> > exist, only consciousness.

> >

> > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for

me.

> >

> > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe

is

> > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

> >

> > Werner

>

> P: I think we have to take into consideration

> that Nis did not speak English, and therefore

> never used the word 'awareness' at all. It was

> the translator who chose awareness as the best

> translation for the word Maharaj was using.

> Only a person who speaks both English, and Marathi

> can opine if awareness came even close to what

> Maharaj was trying to convey. If any reader is

> fluent in Marathi, maybe he/she could clarify

> that.

>

> That, might help people like Mark who takes

> words literally and thinks that by asking for a hamburger

> he would get a different ground beef patty, than the

> one he'd get if he asks for ground beef patty in a bun.

>

You are such an idiot. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WORD YOU USE; YOU

IDIOT.

awareness consciousness in your case I would use idiotness, a much

lower level of consciousness I would imagine,right above ant

conciousness

 

Mark

Mark

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

<marktimmins60 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > Mark

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > M: Consciousness comes and goes,

> > >

> > >

> > > > awareness shines immutably.

> > >

> > >

> > >W: In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness

> does not

> > > exist, only consciousness.

> > >

> > > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for

> me.

> > >

> > > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe

> is

> > > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > P: I think we have to take into consideration

> > that Nis did not speak English, and therefore

> > never used the word 'awareness' at all. It was

> > the translator who chose awareness as the best

> > translation for the word Maharaj was using.

> > Only a person who speaks both English, and Marathi

> > can opine if awareness came even close to what

> > Maharaj was trying to convey. If any reader is

> > fluent in Marathi, maybe he/she could clarify

> > that.

> >

> > That, might help people like Mark who takes

> > words literally and thinks that by asking for a hamburger

> > he would get a different ground beef patty, than the

> > one he'd get if he asks for ground beef patty in a bun.

> >

> You are such an idiot. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WORD YOU USE; YOU

> IDIOT.

> awareness consciousness in your case I would use idiotness, a much

> lower level of consciousness I would imagine,right above ant

> conciousness

>

> Mark

> Mark

 

P: You, are losing your cool. Of what use is a spiritual

knowledge that doesn't bring equanimity? Anyway,

resorting to insults, as Werner noticed, is a sign

that my words, and those of Werner, and bbb are

beginning to work in your subconscious. Please, don't

, now. Keep interacting with us. Soon your

defense will collapse, and you'll see, there is not a

thing to defend. Notice you're so upset you signed your

name twice. Is that what you're defending, your identity?

 

 

 

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > M: Consciousness comes and goes,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > awareness shines immutably.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >W: In German and in serveral other languages the word

awareness

> > does not

> > > > exist, only consciousness.

> > > >

> > > > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine

for

> > me.

> > > >

> > > > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to

believe

> > is

> > > > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > > P: I think we have to take into consideration

> > > that Nis did not speak English, and therefore

> > > never used the word 'awareness' at all. It was

> > > the translator who chose awareness as the best

> > > translation for the word Maharaj was using.

> > > Only a person who speaks both English, and Marathi

> > > can opine if awareness came even close to what

> > > Maharaj was trying to convey. If any reader is

> > > fluent in Marathi, maybe he/she could clarify

> > > that.

> > >

> > > That, might help people like Mark who takes

> > > words literally and thinks that by asking for a hamburger

> > > he would get a different ground beef patty, than the

> > > one he'd get if he asks for ground beef patty in a bun.

> > >

> > You are such an idiot. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WORD YOU USE; YOU

> > IDIOT.

> > awareness consciousness in your case I would use idiotness, a

much

> > lower level of consciousness I would imagine,right above ant

> > conciousness

> >

> > Mark

> > Mark

>

> P: You, are losing your cool. Of what use is a spiritual

> knowledge that doesn't bring equanimity? Anyway,

> resorting to insults, as Werner noticed, is a sign

> that my words, and those of Werner, and bbb are

> beginning to work in your subconscious. Please, don't

> , now. Keep interacting with us. Soon your

> defense will collapse, and you'll see, there is not a

> thing to defend. Notice you're so upset you signed your

> name twice. Is that what you're defending, your identity?

>

>

>

> >

>

Is that you bill clinton?

 

Mark

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute,

> > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > true Clingones. )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says that

> > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > >

> > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > >

> > > > Mark

> > >

> > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably. When

> > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind,

> > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " , it

> only

> > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is

> no " I

> > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes

with

> > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation ceases.

> > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> >

> > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some kind

of

> > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

debate

> > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really grasp?

> > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die this

> way

> > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego

> > preservation.

> >

> >

> > Mark

> >

>

>

> Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

>

> poor Pete...

>

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions

about?

>

> there is nobody who care about such details....

>

> peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

>

> ....

>

> consciousness is related to an imaginary

somebody.....acting & reacting

> on an appearent

> world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

>

> and mainly on his/herself so.

>

> ....

>

> awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no

> illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No

world

> (s)

>

> awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an

> expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

>

> (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

>

peace includes all war.

Mark

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> > > You are such an idiot. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WORD YOU USE; YOU

> > > IDIOT.

> > > awareness consciousness in your case I would use idiotness, a

> much

> > > lower level of consciousness I would imagine,right above ant

> > > conciousness

> > >

> > > Mark

> > > Mark

> >

> > P: You, are losing your cool. Of what use is a spiritual

> > knowledge that doesn't bring equanimity? Anyway,

> > resorting to insults, as Werner noticed, is a sign

> > that my words, and those of Werner, and bbb are

> > beginning to work in your subconscious. Please, don't

> > , now. Keep interacting with us. Soon your

> > defense will collapse, and you'll see, there is not a

> > thing to defend. Notice you're so upset you signed your

> > name twice. Is that what you're defending, your identity?

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> Is that you bill clinton?

>

> Mark

 

P: You're out of ideas, and out of luck.

You are getting close.

>