Guest guest Report post Posted December 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > > > roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> roberibus111 wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> no that's not what what was said or implied. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> obviously you don't understand this. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> all of the petty thought you were trying to sell was grokked. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> thus: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> the in reply..indication was given re the sense of your > > > proposition.. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> as laid out in your posting. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> to your question reply was given. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> do you disparage Klingons then? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> .b b.b. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> --- > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> So, did you understand it or not? > > > > >> > > > > >> tyga > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This: > > > > > > > > It really is important to include the infinite in our concept of > > > > reality, in order that we might understand reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. > > > > > > NOBODY understands reality. > > > > > > it is a game being played. > > > > > > keeps the boogey man away. > > > > > > changing..ever reaching.. > > > > > > oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. > > > > > > elst my life is meaningless! > > > > > > that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgetting the > > > > infinite is like going to put fuel in your car but forgetting you > > > needed > > > > a car, it doesn't work that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is ridiculous. > > > > > > nothing more needs to be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The infinite is the mechanism by which > > > > everything else comes into existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such mechanism. > > > > > > it's not a clockwork orange this stage and play. > > > > > > the infinite as you speak of it is a concept only. > > > > > > and mathemateically it has endless overlays > > > > > > in transfinite and irrational number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The infinitely large and the > > > > infinitely small. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's insignificant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we are to understand our true nature, then we need to include > > > > everything within that understanding, including the infinite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true nature is not a matter of understanding ourselves.. > > > > > > nor digging itself. > > > > > > 'we' never 'understand' True Nature..... > > > > > > because True Nature is not " our's " .. > > > > > > IT IS..'we' are not. > > > > > > and by the way..the 'infinite' includes 'everything' > > > > > > NOT the other way round like: > > > > > > " then we need to include everything within that understanding, > > > > > > including the infinite. " > > > > > > that's where i really began to suspect Klingon thought and attack: > > > > > > believing not that infinity is in everything.. > > > > > > but that everything must include infinity in their thought.. > > > > > > drove then inevitably into a genetic rage > > > > > > that sooner or later created the emergent requirements.. > > > > > > to begin manifesting themselves as loser warriors. > > > > > > they began to agree with any old sill notion we are told. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the term " awareness " is causing us confusion, then lets not > > continue > > > > to use that term, lets just drop it all together. I suggest we > > use the > > > > term " singularity " , as a singularity (black hole) is one of the > > only > > > > things I know of that is infinite in nature (infinite density). > > The > > > only > > > > other thing I know of that is infinite, is space itself. So we > > then > > > have > > > > two examples of infinite that occur in nature, the infinite > > density and > > > > the infinite vacuum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just how does that clear things up? > > > > > > in what world does substituting words solve anything? > > > > > > there are btw..many many examples of infinities to play with. > > > > > > none of them has any more definitive 'answers' re infinity.. > > > > > > than counting how many angels can dance on the tip of a pin. > > > > > > it kills time that's all..like backgammon. > > > > > > singularities, black holes, event horizons, quantum theory, M- > > theory, > > > > > > inflationary big bang thought, string theory, complexity and number > > > > > > theory are all interesting like watching priests and priestesses > > pray > > > > > > and theorize. > > > > > > you must be having fun.. > > > > > > and giving BIG and IMPORTANT meaning to your own life and thought. > > > > > > silly little bunny! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when I was referring to awareness, I was referring to both the > > > > singularity and to the vacuum. Consciousness then could be > > perceived as > > > > the interplay between the singularity and the vacuum (awareness), > > which > > > > we observe as the event horizon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are creating two 'aspects' in 'play'. > > > > > > there are not two. > > > > > > there is no interplay. > > > > > > one cannot observe an event horizon. > > > > > > nice math though..quite fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that make more sense? > > > > > > > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > > > > no tyga..and now you may understand why. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > he will understand when he know the real nature of all this > > illusions " he " is proud to " create " within/by his ignorance > > > > > > > > Marc > > > until 'he' which is the bastard creation of illusions and delusion.. > > is no more.. > > there is no understanding. > > only 'he' and 'you' bullshit games of words and concepts. > > signifying nothing.. > > never comprehending that nothing. > > that is the true ignorance. > > the spawn of each and every. > > .b b.b. > yes....with this spiritual kids......one could invent and create some further talk about unconditionel ignorance.... but...why/who for?... lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 9, 2008 > > > > > > > > > he will understand when he know the real nature of all this > > illusions " he " is proud to " create " within/by his ignorance > > > > > > > > Marc > > > until 'he' which is the bastard creation of illusions and delusion.. > > is no more.. > > there is no understanding. > > only 'he' and 'you' bullshit games of words and concepts. > > signifying nothing.. > > never comprehending that nothing. > > that is the true ignorance. > > the spawn of each and every. > > .b b.b. P: How about that, Bob? When you were delusional, you were unpopular. Now, that you have dropped delusions, you are still unpopular with your former delusional mates. Only fiction entertains, truth has few fans. Might as well sing and dance. LOL > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he will understand when he know the real nature of all this > > > illusions " he " is proud to " create " within/by his ignorance > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > until 'he' which is the bastard creation of illusions and delusion.. > > > > is no more.. > > > > there is no understanding. > > > > only 'he' and 'you' bullshit games of words and concepts. > > > > signifying nothing.. > > > > never comprehending that nothing. > > > > that is the true ignorance. > > > > the spawn of each and every. > > > > .b b.b. > > P: How about that, Bob? When you > were delusional, you were unpopular. > Now, that you have dropped delusions, > you are still unpopular with your > former delusional mates. Only fiction > entertains, truth has few fans. Might > as well sing and dance. LOL for some it's lonely at the top. no one's around here to be lonely..or popular. it's swell this way. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 9, 2008 roberibus111 wrote: >> >> This: >> >> It really is important to include the infinite in our concept of >> reality, in order that we might understand reality. >> 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. > > NOBODY understands reality. > > it is a game being played. > > keeps the boogey man away. > > changing..ever reaching.. > > oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. > > elst my life is meaningless! > > that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. .b b.b. > > > > --- > > ** > > So, what your saying then, is that you do not understand? tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > roberibus111 wrote: > >> > >> This: > >> > >> It really is important to include the infinite in our concept of > >> reality, in order that we might understand reality. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. > > > > NOBODY understands reality. > > > > it is a game being played. > > > > keeps the boogey man away. > > > > changing..ever reaching.. > > > > oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. > > > > elst my life is meaningless! > > > > that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > ** > > > > > So, what your saying then, is that you do not understand? > > tyga no. this is neither understanding nor not understanding. the understanding is not the possession of anyone. any statement involving " you " .. " me " .. " them " .. is a fallacy and speaks not of understanding... it speaks strictly and only of and to...non-understanding. it's understandable that you do not understand this. you are obsessed with being understood. this is silly..you don't understand what you're saying or doing. forgiveness is however yours. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > roberibus111 wrote: > > >> > > >> This: > > >> > > >> It really is important to include the infinite in our concept of > > >> reality, in order that we might understand reality. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. > > > > > > NOBODY understands reality. > > > > > > it is a game being played. > > > > > > keeps the boogey man away. > > > > > > changing..ever reaching.. > > > > > > oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. > > > > > > elst my life is meaningless! > > > > > > that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > So, what your saying then, is that you do not understand? > > > > tyga > > > > > no. > > this is neither understanding nor not understanding. > > the understanding is not the possession of anyone. > > any statement involving " you " .. " me " .. " them " .. > > is a fallacy and speaks not of understanding... > > it speaks strictly and only of and to...non-understanding. > > it's understandable that you do not understand this. > > you are obsessed with being understood. > > this is silly..you don't understand what you're saying or doing. > > forgiveness is however yours. > > .b b.b. > forgiveness, I don't know. Denial is a reason that don't hold up to the light of day this is fear. there is no excuse, get real before it's too late Love, Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > roberibus111 wrote: > > > >> > > > >> This: > > > >> > > > >> It really is important to include the infinite in our concept > of > > > >> reality, in order that we might understand reality. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. > > > > > > > > NOBODY understands reality. > > > > > > > > it is a game being played. > > > > > > > > keeps the boogey man away. > > > > > > > > changing..ever reaching.. > > > > > > > > oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. > > > > > > > > elst my life is meaningless! > > > > > > > > that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > So, what your saying then, is that you do not understand? > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > this is neither understanding nor not understanding. > > > > the understanding is not the possession of anyone. > > > > any statement involving " you " .. " me " .. " them " .. > > > > is a fallacy and speaks not of understanding... > > > > it speaks strictly and only of and to...non-understanding. > > > > it's understandable that you do not understand this. > > > > you are obsessed with being understood. > > > > this is silly..you don't understand what you're saying or doing. > > > > forgiveness is however yours. > > > > .b b.b. > > > forgiveness, > I don't know. > Denial is a reason that don't hold up to the light of day > this is fear. > there is no excuse, get real before it's too late > Love, > Mark this too is forgiven. there's no denying it. it's never to late in Timelessness. it never began. no one can 'get real'. every me, you, them and those.. can NEVER get real. know this at least. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > > > roberibus111 wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> This: > > > > >> > > > > >> It really is important to include the infinite in our concept > > of > > > > >> reality, in order that we might understand reality. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. > > > > > > > > > > NOBODY understands reality. > > > > > > > > > > it is a game being played. > > > > > > > > > > keeps the boogey man away. > > > > > > > > > > changing..ever reaching.. > > > > > > > > > > oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. > > > > > > > > > > elst my life is meaningless! > > > > > > > > > > that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what your saying then, is that you do not understand? > > > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > > > this is neither understanding nor not understanding. > > > > > > the understanding is not the possession of anyone. > > > > > > any statement involving " you " .. " me " .. " them " .. > > > > > > is a fallacy and speaks not of understanding... > > > > > > it speaks strictly and only of and to...non-understanding. > > > > > > it's understandable that you do not understand this. > > > > > > you are obsessed with being understood. > > > > > > this is silly..you don't understand what you're saying or doing. > > > > > > forgiveness is however yours. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > forgiveness, > > I don't know. > > Denial is a reason that don't hold up to the light of day > > this is fear. > > there is no excuse, get real before it's too late > > Love, > > Mark > > > this too is forgiven. > > there's no denying it. > > it's never to late in Timelessness. > > it never began. > > no one can 'get real'. > > every me, you, them and those.. > > can NEVER get real. > > know this at least. > > .b b.b. > I am forgiven. Thanks though. words fail you know that. be. simply be Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 roberibus111 wrote: > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > >> roberibus111 wrote: >> >>>> This: >>>> >>>> It really is important to include the infinite in our concept of >>>> reality, in order that we might understand reality. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. >>> >>> NOBODY understands reality. >>> >>> it is a game being played. >>> >>> keeps the boogey man away. >>> >>> changing..ever reaching.. >>> >>> oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. >>> >>> elst my life is meaningless! >>> >>> that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> .b b.b. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >> So, what your saying then, is that you do not understand? >> >> tyga >> > > > > > no. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > --- > > Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in understanding. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 > > > Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in understanding. > > tyga great statement! we are proud of this your statement! Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: >>> >>> >> Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in >> > understanding. > >> tyga >> > > > great statement! > > we are proud of this your statement! > > > > Marc > > > > --- > > thanks tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > >> roberibus111 wrote: > >> > >>>> This: > >>>> > >>>> It really is important to include the infinite in our concept of > >>>> reality, in order that we might understand reality. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 'we'..'you'...'me'...'them'.. > >>> > >>> NOBODY understands reality. > >>> > >>> it is a game being played. > >>> > >>> keeps the boogey man away. > >>> > >>> changing..ever reaching.. > >>> > >>> oh there MUST be hope and certitude..and love. > >>> > >>> elst my life is meaningless! > >>> > >>> that last bit may be the only thing the ego-self gets right. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> .b b.b. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> So, what your saying then, is that you do not understand? > >> > >> tyga > >> > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in understanding. > > tyga awwww! a Hallmark Card moment. i rocked the sides out of my crib laughing so hard.. the first time that was heard that readers digest tripe. the Enquirer is another swell publication for a girl like you tyger. lots of Dr. Phi; and everything hon. you go girl! power on with that power of understanding that pumps 'you' up. and go deeper and further into that phony little self... which is the first delusion that must be dropped.. before you can even speak of understanding without sounding absurd LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in > understanding. > > > > tyga > > > great statement! > > we are proud of this your statement! > > > > Marc pride precedes the fall. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > > > Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in understanding. > > tyga > Ha ha, Tyga, Why did I attack you in my last post to you with such harsh words ? Because you wrote some loud mouth posts as if you really would understand. Pete already several times before politely has asked you when you wrote about awareness if you really understood what you wrote. But he failed. You went on with that awareness nonsense, mainly this crap that without awareness there is no consciousness. I myself already several times before have explained what we see as awareness is the ME or thought or ego (if you like) which is separating itself from consciousness and then is maintaining to be aware. It is the separating ME which you and others here mistake as awareness. But you don't see that. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in > > understanding. > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > great statement! > > > > we are proud of this your statement! > > > > > > > > Marc pride precedes the fall. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 - > > this too is forgiven. > > > > there's no denying it. > > > > it's never to late in Timelessness. > > > > it never began. > > > > no one can 'get real'. > > > > every me, you, them and those.. > > > > can NEVER get real. > > > > know this at least. > > > > .b b.b. > > > I am forgiven. Thanks though. > words fail you know that. > be. simply be > Mark P: No, no! He didn't write, you are forgiven, he wrote, " this " too is forgiven. Can you read? Yes, words fail, or rather, you fail words. Simply be? Ha,ha! You are not, and never will be! Simply, be not! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > - > > > this too is forgiven. > > > > > > there's no denying it. > > > > > > it's never to late in Timelessness. > > > > > > it never began. > > > > > > no one can 'get real'. > > > > > > every me, you, them and those.. > > > > > > can NEVER get real. > > > > > > know this at least. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I am forgiven. Thanks though. > > words fail you know that. > > be. simply be > > Mark > > P: No, no! He didn't write, > you are forgiven, he wrote, > " this " too is forgiven. Can you read? > Yes, words fail, or rather, you fail > words. Simply be? Ha,ha! You are not, > and never will be! Simply, be not! > > > > no,my butt. this that and the other is me and unfortunately you are me too. You fail words. LOL! Glory be for the mind. Science of mind,admit it. You didn't like the word " be " huh? how about this word then " self " do ya like that word? Be sure and read my quote from Nisargadatta below he wrote for you: There is the body and there is the Self. Between them is the mind, in which the Self is reflected as " I am " . Because of the imperfections of the mind, its crudity and restlessness, lack of discernment and insight, it takes itself to be the body, not the Self. All that is needed is to purify the mind so that it can realize its identity with the Self. When the mind merges in the Self, the body presents no problems. It remains what it is, an instrument of cognition and action, the tool and the expression of the creative fire within. The ultimate value of the body is that it serves to discover the cosmic body, which is the universe in its entirety. As you realize yourself in manifestation, you keep on discovering that you are ever more than what you have imagined. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > - > > > > this too is forgiven. > > > > > > > > there's no denying it. > > > > > > > > it's never to late in Timelessness. > > > > > > > > it never began. > > > > > > > > no one can 'get real'. > > > > > > > > every me, you, them and those.. > > > > > > > > can NEVER get real. > > > > > > > > know this at least. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > I am forgiven. Thanks though. > > > words fail you know that. > > > be. simply be > > > Mark > > > > P: No, no! He didn't write, > > you are forgiven, he wrote, > > " this " too is forgiven. Can you read? > > Yes, words fail, or rather, you fail > > words. Simply be? Ha,ha! You are not, > > and never will be! Simply, be not! > > > > > > > > no,my butt. > this that and the other is me and unfortunately you are me too. > You fail words. LOL! Glory be for the mind. Science of mind,admit it. > You didn't like the word " be " huh? > how about this word then " self " > do ya like that word? > Be sure and read my quote from Nisargadatta below he wrote for you: > > > There is the body and there is the Self. Between them is the mind, > in which the Self is reflected as " I am " . Because of the > imperfections of the mind, its crudity and restlessness, lack of > discernment and insight, it takes itself to be the body, not the > Self. All that is needed is to purify the mind so that it can realize > its identity with the Self. When the mind merges in the Self, the > body presents no problems. It remains what it is, an instrument of > cognition and action, the tool and the expression of the creative > fire within. The ultimate value of the body is that it serves to > discover the cosmic body, which is the universe in its entirety. As > you realize yourself in manifestation, you keep on discovering that > you are ever more than what you have imagined. > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > Mark actually.. you discover that you are ever much less than is imaginable. when there is not even an imaginable you.. it begins to begin. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 roberibus111 wrote: >> >> Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in >> > understanding. > >> tyga >awwww! > > a Hallmark Card moment. > > i rocked the sides out of my crib laughing so hard.. > > the first time that was heard that readers digest tripe. > > the Enquirer is another swell publication for a girl like you tyger. > > lots of Dr. Phi; and everything hon. > > you go girl! > > power on with that power of understanding that pumps 'you' up. > > and go deeper and further into that phony little self... > > which is the first delusion that must be dropped.. > > before you can even speak of understanding without sounding absurd > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > --- > > I'm glad you were able to have such a good laugh. Not taking oneself too seriously, is another one of those steps in understanding. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: > > Ha ha, Tyga, > > Why did I attack you in my last post to you with such harsh words ? > > Because you wrote some loud mouth posts as if you really would > understand. Pete already several times before politely has asked you > when you wrote about awareness if you really understood what you > wrote. > > But he failed. You went on with that awareness nonsense, mainly this > crap that without awareness there is no consciousness. > > I myself already several times before have explained what we see as > awareness is the ME or thought or ego (if you like) which is > separating itself from consciousness and then is maintaining to be > aware. > > It is the separating ME which you and others here mistake as > awareness. > > But you don't see that. > > Werner > > > > > --- > > You probably attacked me Werner, because you have difficulty controlling your emotions, I suggest? tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > - > > > > this too is forgiven. > > > > > > > > there's no denying it. > > > > > > > > it's never to late in Timelessness. > > > > > > > > it never began. > > > > > > > > no one can 'get real'. > > > > > > > > every me, you, them and those.. > > > > > > > > can NEVER get real. > > > > > > > > know this at least. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > I am forgiven. Thanks though. > > > words fail you know that. > > > be. simply be > > > Mark > > > > P: No, no! He didn't write, > > you are forgiven, he wrote, > > " this " too is forgiven. Can you read? > > Yes, words fail, or rather, you fail > > words. Simply be? Ha,ha! You are not, > > and never will be! Simply, be not! > > > > > > > > no,my butt. > this that and the other is me and unfortunately you are me too. > You fail words. LOL! Glory be for the mind. Science of mind,admit it. > You didn't like the word " be " huh? > how about this word then " self " > do ya like that word? > Be sure and read my quote from Nisargadatta below he wrote for you: > > > There is the body and there is the Self. Between them is the mind, > in which the Self is reflected as " I am " . Because of the > imperfections of the mind, its crudity and restlessness, lack of > discernment and insight, it takes itself to be the body, not the > Self. All that is needed is to purify the mind so that it can realize > its identity with the Self. When the mind merges in the Self, the > body presents no problems. It remains what it is, an instrument of > cognition and action, the tool and the expression of the creative > fire within. The ultimate value of the body is that it serves to > discover the cosmic body, which is the universe in its entirety. As > you realize yourself in manifestation, you keep on discovering that > you are ever more than what you have imagined. > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > Mark P: He wrote that for beginners like you. To those who're at the end of their search, he said, You're neither the consciousness, nor the self, nor the beingness. You are the Absolute, but the Absolute only knows itself as long as the body lasts. Read " Consciousness and the Absolute " , and also " Prior to Consciousness. " > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > Ha ha, Tyga, > > > > Why did I attack you in my last post to you with such harsh words ? > > > > Because you wrote some loud mouth posts as if you really would > > understand. Pete already several times before politely has asked you > > when you wrote about awareness if you really understood what you > > wrote. > > > > But he failed. You went on with that awareness nonsense, mainly this > > crap that without awareness there is no consciousness. > > > > I myself already several times before have explained what we see as > > awareness is the ME or thought or ego (if you like) which is > > separating itself from consciousness and then is maintaining to be > > aware. > > > > It is the separating ME which you and others here mistake as > > awareness. > > > > But you don't see that. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > You probably attacked me Werner, because you have difficulty controlling > your emotions, I suggest? > > tyga > Hey, Tyga, You missed the point which was not attacking you but the point was that what we mistake as awareness is the ME which is separating itself from the contents of consciousness and then it says " I am aware OF " . Consciousness itself is in no way aware or conscious OF anything, it is is just conscious. To be conscious OF something needs a separate process calling itself to be awareness. This process is the me. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > roberibus111 wrote: > >> > >> Admitting that you do not understand, is the first step in > >> > > understanding. > > > >> tyga > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > awwww! > > > > a Hallmark Card moment. > > > > i rocked the sides out of my crib laughing so hard.. > > > > the first time that was heard that readers digest tripe. > > > > the Enquirer is another swell publication for a girl like you tyger. > > > > lots of Dr. Phi; and everything hon. > > > > you go girl! > > > > power on with that power of understanding that pumps 'you' up. > > > > and go deeper and further into that phony little self... > > > > which is the first delusion that must be dropped.. > > > > before you can even speak of understanding without sounding absurd > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > I'm glad you were able to have such a good laugh. > > Not taking oneself too seriously, is another one of those steps in > understanding. > > tyga you truly do not understand. the type of understanding that alone is known to you is child's play. as long as you have an impression that there is a you to understand.. it is not understood. there is no 'me' to either take itself or not take itself seriously.. you will come to this certainty in time my child. just don't in the meantime take yourself seriously enough.. that you feel compelled to tell 'others'.. that you think it a step along some road to understanding.. to not take themselves seriously. you can't be serious with that crap are you? i know that you take yourself and your remedies seriously. i also know you haven't traversed a step towards understanding. funny huh? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > > > this too is forgiven. > > > > > > > > > > there's no denying it. > > > > > > > > > > it's never to late in Timelessness. > > > > > > > > > > it never began. > > > > > > > > > > no one can 'get real'. > > > > > > > > > > every me, you, them and those.. > > > > > > > > > > can NEVER get real. > > > > > > > > > > know this at least. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > I am forgiven. Thanks though. > > > > words fail you know that. > > > > be. simply be > > > > Mark > > > > > > P: No, no! He didn't write, > > > you are forgiven, he wrote, > > > " this " too is forgiven. Can you read? > > > Yes, words fail, or rather, you fail > > > words. Simply be? Ha,ha! You are not, > > > and never will be! Simply, be not! > > > > > > > > > > > > no,my butt. > > this that and the other is me and unfortunately you are me too. > > You fail words. LOL! Glory be for the mind. Science of mind,admit it. > > You didn't like the word " be " huh? > > how about this word then " self " > > do ya like that word? > > Be sure and read my quote from Nisargadatta below he wrote for you: > > > > > > There is the body and there is the Self. Between them is the mind, > > in which the Self is reflected as " I am " . Because of the > > imperfections of the mind, its crudity and restlessness, lack of > > discernment and insight, it takes itself to be the body, not the > > Self. All that is needed is to purify the mind so that it can realize > > its identity with the Self. When the mind merges in the Self, the > > body presents no problems. It remains what it is, an instrument of > > cognition and action, the tool and the expression of the creative > > fire within. The ultimate value of the body is that it serves to > > discover the cosmic body, which is the universe in its entirety. As > > you realize yourself in manifestation, you keep on discovering that > > you are ever more than what you have imagined. > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Mark > > > > actually.. > > you discover that you are ever much less than is imaginable. > > when there is not even an imaginable you.. > > it begins to begin. > > .b b.b. > lately eye have this picture in my mind, and if i could draw even badly I would draw it. there is this big eye looking at the world from Outside in space. the eyelids surround the earth,kinda like when you get an eye kiss? And the eyeball is embedded Inside the planet,that is when i imagine nothing Again with the precise words you. And god, I can't believe pete had anyting worth reading,but he has got this one correct. being is still attached. smoke would point the way more accurately. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > Hey, Tyga, > > You missed the point which was not attacking you but the point was > that what we mistake as awareness is the ME which is separating > itself from the contents of consciousness and then it says " I am > aware OF " . > > Consciousness itself is in no way aware or conscious OF anything, it > is is just conscious. To be conscious OF something needs a separate > process calling itself to be awareness. This process is the me. > > Werner > > > > --- > > No, I didn't miss the point, I chose to not respond to the point. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
