Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a retina ablation in both eyes and two months ago I had a > > > stroke which damaged the visual part in the rear of the brain > which > > > caused a further blind spot which now no longer allows me to > drive a > > > car. > > > > > > I will think about your words. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > P: I do sympathize with you, and wish you > > the best of lucks. I'm sure at some level you > > don't mind, so that causes no suffering. > > Only in comparing present and past, a > > sense of lost an nonacceptance arises, > > as K said about his secret. > > > > > Thanks for your embracing sympathy, Pete. > > Indeed, I take what comes. Surely with all those unavoidable thoughts > of regetting what has passed. But they don't take root. > > Tell me, are we like two old dogs licking the wounds, each in his own > way ? > > Werner " they also serve who only stand and wait. " John Milton ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2008 roberibus111 wrote: > Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > >> >> >> In a message dated 11/30/2008 11:00:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> kailashana writes: >> >> We tend to forget one thing: >> >> Unconditional love for our own life... as it appears...exactly as it >> appears... with all its blind spots and short comings and misgivings. >> >> Then when we can love our own life... we can reach out and *touch >> someone*. >> >> ~A >> >> >> >> >> Yup, self acceptance (self love) is extremely important. >> > > > > > maybe to a 'self'. > > of itself: > > love requires no acceptance. > > love means never having to say you're sorry. > > so i won't. > > .b b.b. > > > --- > > I'm sorry you feel that way. Love is accepting though, the acceptance of what is, or the acceptance of what is not, it makes no difference, its all acceptance. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 11/30/2008 11:00:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > >> kailashana@ writes: > >> > >> We tend to forget one thing: > >> > >> Unconditional love for our own life... as it appears...exactly as it > >> appears... with all its blind spots and short comings and misgivings. > >> > >> Then when we can love our own life... we can reach out and *touch > >> someone*. > >> > >> ~A > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yup, self acceptance (self love) is extremely important. > >> > > > > > > > > > > maybe to a 'self'. > > > > of itself: > > > > love requires no acceptance. > > > > love means never having to say you're sorry. > > > > so i won't. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > --- > > > > > I'm sorry you feel that way. > > Love is accepting though, the acceptance of what is, or the acceptance > of what is not, it makes no difference, its all acceptance. > > tyga reread the posting tyga. love never having to say i'm sorry comes from the movie Love Story. and it's the truth. by not saying i'm sorry.. what do you suppose i might be saying? it's not hard to figure out. and i'm saddened that you are sorry. if love means never having to say you are sorry.. and you go ahead and say it.. what does that say about your own connection with love? acceptance is a GIVEN if love does not require apology. love need not be spoken. most spoken love is as phony as can be. i don't traffic in phoniness as you may have surmised. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 In a message dated 12/1/2008 1:55:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes: roberibus111 wrote:>>>>> "I could be wrong of course."..>> most armchair psychologists are wrong.>> so too are most professional shrinks.>> you want to feel sorry for someone..>> it's a wish fulfillment thing maybe.>> perhaps you need to feel this way because of your childhood.>> perhaps you were abused and need to feel worthy by expressing love.>> maybe you want to feel holy or religious.>> maybe you watch too much television.>> maybe..maybe..maybe..>> LOL!>> are you getting any sort of picture her yet?>> look kiddo..>> i'm right here... right where here is..>> you're right there... wherever that is.>> that's the sum total.>> reasons are just reasons.>> they are not facts.>> they are rationalizations for doings or feelings..>> that occur without us knowing why or wherefore.>> i just wanted to say that...without requirement.>> that's exactly what i mean.>> no hidden agendas or causes or deep psyche scars my dear.>> there is no big secret or reasons or santa claus.>> some children never want to let go of fantasy land that's all.>> merry christmas, tyga,>> .b b.b.>>>>>> --->> Thank you for the merry wishes and a merry Christmas to you too and may we have many more to come. :)tyga Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 In a message dated 12/1/2008 2:31:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kailashana writes: Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:>> roberibus111 wrote:> >>> >> I'm sorry you feel that way.> >>> >> Love is accepting though, the acceptance of what is, or theacceptance > >> of what is not, it makes no difference, its all acceptance.> >>> >> tyga> >> > >> >> > reread the posting tyga.> >> > love never having to say i'm sorry comes from the movie Love Story.> >> > and it's the truth.> >> > by not saying i'm sorry..> >> > what do you suppose i might be saying?> >> > it's not hard to figure out.> >> > and i'm saddened that you are sorry.> >> > if love means never having to say you are sorry..> >> > and you go ahead and say it..> >> > what does that say about your own connection with love?> >> > acceptance is a GIVEN if love does not require apology.> >> > love need not be spoken.> >> > most spoken love is as phony as can be.> >> > i don't traffic in phoniness as you may have surmised.> >> > .b b.b.> >> >> >> >> > ---> >> > **> >> > > There is no requirement for anything, in my opinion, we do things > because we want to.> > "love means never having to say you are sorry."> > "love requires no acceptance."> > I think maybe what you mean is:> > Love has no requirements, therefore love has no requirement for apology.> > Sure, I can agree with that, but I say I'm sorry because I want to, not > because I may or may not be required to. I tell someone I love them > because I enjoy the happiness it brings them and myself. I say I'msorry > because I love to enable the gift of forgiveness. I do things because I > love to do them, not because I feel some sort of phoney obligation.> > I feel sorry for you because I want to, because I think maybe you have > been hurt by someone at some point in your life and are in need of some > real compassion. I could be wrong of course.> > tyga>In the end perhaps all words are interpretations of thoughts createdby feelings...For me the key to *Love Story's Love means never having to say you'resorry* can be interpreted two ways....First, of course, is seeing/creating something other than love, forwhich we must *apologize. The other is never creating/seeingsomething for which one must apologize.A delicious taste of nonduality. Compassion for the way in which weare all lost ~ interpretations of that which *Is*, who *I am*.~A ***As I see it, if love is present, it fully understands and accepts how seeing something other than love can happen and requires no apology. Apologies are only required where a judgment of wrongdoing has been made and forgiveness cannot be offered without an apology. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 roberibus111 wrote: >> >> I'm sorry you feel that way. >> >> Love is accepting though, the acceptance of what is, or the acceptance >> of what is not, it makes no difference, its all acceptance. >> >> tyga >> > > > reread the posting tyga. > > love never having to say i'm sorry comes from the movie Love Story. > > and it's the truth. > > by not saying i'm sorry.. > > what do you suppose i might be saying? > > it's not hard to figure out. > > and i'm saddened that you are sorry. > > if love means never having to say you are sorry.. > > and you go ahead and say it.. > > what does that say about your own connection with love? > > acceptance is a GIVEN if love does not require apology. > > love need not be spoken. > > most spoken love is as phony as can be. > > i don't traffic in phoniness as you may have surmised. > > .b b.b. > > > > > --- > > ** > > There is no requirement for anything, in my opinion, we do things because we want to. " love means never having to say you are sorry. " " love requires no acceptance. " I think maybe what you mean is: Love has no requirements, therefore love has no requirement for apology. Sure, I can agree with that, but I say I'm sorry because I want to, not because I may or may not be required to. I tell someone I love them because I enjoy the happiness it brings them and myself. I say I'm sorry because I love to enable the gift of forgiveness. I do things because I love to do them, not because I feel some sort of phoney obligation. I feel sorry for you because I want to, because I think maybe you have been hurt by someone at some point in your life and are in need of some real compassion. I could be wrong of course. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > roberibus111 wrote: > >> > >> I'm sorry you feel that way. > >> > >> Love is accepting though, the acceptance of what is, or the acceptance > >> of what is not, it makes no difference, its all acceptance. > >> > >> tyga > >> > > > > > > reread the posting tyga. > > > > love never having to say i'm sorry comes from the movie Love Story. > > > > and it's the truth. > > > > by not saying i'm sorry.. > > > > what do you suppose i might be saying? > > > > it's not hard to figure out. > > > > and i'm saddened that you are sorry. > > > > if love means never having to say you are sorry.. > > > > and you go ahead and say it.. > > > > what does that say about your own connection with love? > > > > acceptance is a GIVEN if love does not require apology. > > > > love need not be spoken. > > > > most spoken love is as phony as can be. > > > > i don't traffic in phoniness as you may have surmised. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > ** > > > > > There is no requirement for anything, in my opinion, we do things > because we want to. > > " love means never having to say you are sorry. " > > " love requires no acceptance. " > > I think maybe what you mean is: > > Love has no requirements, therefore love has no requirement for apology. > > Sure, I can agree with that, but I say I'm sorry because I want to, not > because I may or may not be required to. I tell someone I love them > because I enjoy the happiness it brings them and myself. I say I'm sorry > because I love to enable the gift of forgiveness. I do things because I > love to do them, not because I feel some sort of phoney obligation. > > I feel sorry for you because I want to, because I think maybe you have > been hurt by someone at some point in your life and are in need of some > real compassion. I could be wrong of course. > > tyga " I could be wrong of course. " .. most armchair psychologists are wrong. so too are most professional shrinks. you want to feel sorry for someone.. it's a wish fulfillment thing maybe. perhaps you need to feel this way because of your childhood. perhaps you were abused and need to feel worthy by expressing love. maybe you want to feel holy or religious. maybe you watch too much television. maybe..maybe..maybe.. LOL! are you getting any sort of picture her yet? look kiddo.. i'm right here... right where here is.. you're right there... wherever that is. that's the sum total. reasons are just reasons. they are not facts. they are rationalizations for doings or feelings.. that occur without us knowing why or wherefore. i just wanted to say that...without requirement. that's exactly what i mean. no hidden agendas or causes or deep psyche scars my dear. there is no big secret or reasons or santa claus. some children never want to let go of fantasy land that's all. merry christmas, tyga, ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > " I could be wrong of course. " .. > > most armchair psychologists are wrong. > > so too are most professional shrinks. > > you want to feel sorry for someone.. > > it's a wish fulfillment thing maybe. > > perhaps you need to feel this way because of your childhood. > > perhaps you were abused and need to feel worthy by expressing love. > > maybe you want to feel holy or religious. > > maybe you watch too much television. > > maybe..maybe..maybe.. > > LOL! > > are you getting any sort of picture her yet? > > look kiddo.. > > i'm right here... right where here is.. > > you're right there... wherever that is. > > that's the sum total. > > reasons are just reasons. > > they are not facts. > > they are rationalizations for doings or feelings.. > > that occur without us knowing why or wherefore. > > i just wanted to say that...without requirement. > > that's exactly what i mean. > > no hidden agendas or causes or deep psyche scars my dear. > > there is no big secret or reasons or santa claus. > > some children never want to let go of fantasy land that's all. > > merry christmas, tyga, > > .b b.b. > > > > > > --- > > Thank you for the merry wishes and a merry Christmas to you too and may we have many more to come. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > It is said nature abhors a vacuum. > > When one is out-of-one's mind, unconditional love remains. > > ~A > who is there for any unconditional love when there is no working mind?....means emptyness & peace. love is of worldly issue......related to more or less ego minded stuff. as long there is a busy ego acting & reacting on an appearent world.....there are emotional periods coming and going...... one of such emotions is unconditional love. often, people who LOVE to talk about unconditional love NEED others to share such emotional worldly waves......sharing some little emotions for some limited duration of time....and then sooner or later fall back down their usual worldly illusions & ego mind. Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > roberibus111 wrote: > >> > >> I'm sorry you feel that way. > >> > >> Love is accepting though, the acceptance of what is, or the acceptance > >> of what is not, it makes no difference, its all acceptance. > >> > >> tyga > >> > > > > > > reread the posting tyga. > > > > love never having to say i'm sorry comes from the movie Love Story. > > > > and it's the truth. > > > > by not saying i'm sorry.. > > > > what do you suppose i might be saying? > > > > it's not hard to figure out. > > > > and i'm saddened that you are sorry. > > > > if love means never having to say you are sorry.. > > > > and you go ahead and say it.. > > > > what does that say about your own connection with love? > > > > acceptance is a GIVEN if love does not require apology. > > > > love need not be spoken. > > > > most spoken love is as phony as can be. > > > > i don't traffic in phoniness as you may have surmised. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > ** > > > > > There is no requirement for anything, in my opinion, we do things > because we want to. > > " love means never having to say you are sorry. " > > " love requires no acceptance. " > > I think maybe what you mean is: > > Love has no requirements, therefore love has no requirement for apology. > > Sure, I can agree with that, but I say I'm sorry because I want to, not > because I may or may not be required to. I tell someone I love them > because I enjoy the happiness it brings them and myself. I say I'm sorry > because I love to enable the gift of forgiveness. I do things because I > love to do them, not because I feel some sort of phoney obligation. > > I feel sorry for you because I want to, because I think maybe you have > been hurt by someone at some point in your life and are in need of some > real compassion. I could be wrong of course. > > tyga > In the end perhaps all words are interpretations of thoughts created by feelings... For me the key to *Love Story's Love means never having to say you're sorry* can be interpreted two ways.... First, of course, is seeing/creating something other than love, for which we must *apologize. The other is never creating/seeing something for which one must apologize. A delicious taste of nonduality. Compassion for the way in which we are all lost ~ interpretations of that which *Is*, who *I am*. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/1/2008 1:55:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > tyga writes: > > roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " I could be wrong of course. " .. > > > > most armchair psychologists are wrong. > > > > so too are most professional shrinks. > > > > you want to feel sorry for someone.. > > > > it's a wish fulfillment thing maybe. > > > > perhaps you need to feel this way because of your childhood. > > > > perhaps you were abused and need to feel worthy by expressing love. > > > > maybe you want to feel holy or religious. > > > > maybe you watch too much television. > > > > maybe..maybe..maybe.. > > > > LOL! > > > > are you getting any sort of picture her yet? > > > > look kiddo.. > > > > i'm right here... right where here is.. > > > > you're right there... wherever that is. > > > > that's the sum total. > > > > reasons are just reasons. > > > > they are not facts. > > > > they are rationalizations for doings or feelings.. > > > > that occur without us knowing why or wherefore. > > > > i just wanted to say that...without requirement. > > > > that's exactly what i mean. > > > > no hidden agendas or causes or deep psyche scars my dear. > > > > there is no big secret or reasons or santa claus. > > > > some children never want to let go of fantasy land that's all. > > > > merry christmas, tyga, > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Thank you for the merry wishes and a merry Christmas to you too and may > we have many more to come. > > tyga > > > > my goodness philly.. that's the most intelligent post that you have ever made. you've found your calling bud. emoticons can say everything you have in that mini-creative mind. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/1/2008 2:31:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > kailashana writes: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > roberibus111 wrote: > > >> > > >> I'm sorry you feel that way. > > >> > > >> Love is accepting though, the acceptance of what is, or the > acceptance > > >> of what is not, it makes no difference, its all acceptance. > > >> > > >> tyga > > >> > > > > > > > > > reread the posting tyga. > > > > > > love never having to say i'm sorry comes from the movie Love Story. > > > > > > and it's the truth. > > > > > > by not saying i'm sorry.. > > > > > > what do you suppose i might be saying? > > > > > > it's not hard to figure out. > > > > > > and i'm saddened that you are sorry. > > > > > > if love means never having to say you are sorry.. > > > > > > and you go ahead and say it.. > > > > > > what does that say about your own connection with love? > > > > > > acceptance is a GIVEN if love does not require apology. > > > > > > love need not be spoken. > > > > > > most spoken love is as phony as can be. > > > > > > i don't traffic in phoniness as you may have surmised. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > There is no requirement for anything, in my opinion, we do things > > because we want to. > > > > " love means never having to say you are sorry. " > > > > " love requires no acceptance. " > > > > I think maybe what you mean is: > > > > Love has no requirements, therefore love has no requirement for apology. > > > > Sure, I can agree with that, but I say I'm sorry because I want to, not > > because I may or may not be required to. I tell someone I love them > > because I enjoy the happiness it brings them and myself. I say I'm > sorry > > because I love to enable the gift of forgiveness. I do things because I > > love to do them, not because I feel some sort of phoney obligation. > > > > I feel sorry for you because I want to, because I think maybe you have > > been hurt by someone at some point in your life and are in need of some > > real compassion. I could be wrong of course. > > > > tyga > > > > > In the end perhaps all words are interpretations of thoughts created > by feelings... > > For me the key to *Love Story's Love means never having to say you're > sorry* can be interpreted two ways.... > > First, of course, is seeing/creating something other than love, for > which we must *apologize. The other is never creating/seeing > something for which one must apologize. > > A delicious taste of nonduality. Compassion for the way in which we > are all lost ~ interpretations of that which *Is*, who *I am*. > > ~A > ***As I see it, if love is present, it fully understands and accepts how > seeing something other than love can happen and requires no apology. Apologies > are only required where a judgment of wrongdoing has been made and forgiveness > cannot be offered without an apology. i forgive you for your judgments of wrongdoing applied to me. i offer this freely without your expressed apology. i am love. love is present whenever i am. i am time. i am all the time. i am the same as time. i am everywhere. i am everywhere the same. i am the same as everywhere. i fully accept you. i understand you. i am using " i " too much. well shut my mouth! i sound like you! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 souldreamone wrote: In the end perhaps all words are interpretations of thoughts created > by feelings... > > For me the key to *Love Story's Love means never having to say you're > sorry* can be interpreted two ways.... > > First, of course, is seeing/creating something other than love, for > which we must *apologize. The other is never creating/seeing > something for which one must apologize. > > A delicious taste of nonduality. Compassion for the way in which we > are all lost ~ interpretations of that which *Is*, who *I am*. > > ~A > > > > > ***As I see it, if love is present, it fully understands and > accepts how seeing something other than love can happen and > requires no apology. Apologies are only required where a judgment > of wrongdoing has been made and forgiveness cannot be offered > without an apology. > > > > > ------ I thought maybe it a good idea to clarify, that there is love, the human emotion, and love the source. This is another one of those unfortunate circumstances where the same word gets used for two different meanings. Words make everything so much more confusing. Love, the human emotion, is a general feeling of endearment, a close affinity with an object or person or idea. It is a physiological response to a given circumstance. Love, the source, can probably be best described as consciousness itself, the giver and provider of life and of death and everything in between, more or less. I describe love as the infinite potential for all that is. Unconditional love, not the emotional kind, encompasses the ongoing evolution of consciousness. It does this by enabling and allowing everything to occur, or not occur, without judgement. Unconditional love, the highest level of human awareness, enables the highest level of choice. With more choice comes more adaptability, and evolution continues. To what end? Another beginning. Ad infinitum. Only my opinion of course. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > souldreamone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the end perhaps all words are interpretations of thoughts created > > by feelings... > > > > For me the key to *Love Story's Love means never having to say you're > > sorry* can be interpreted two ways.... > > > > First, of course, is seeing/creating something other than love, for > > which we must *apologize. The other is never creating/seeing > > something for which one must apologize. > > > > A delicious taste of nonduality. Compassion for the way in which we > > are all lost ~ interpretations of that which *Is*, who *I am*. > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > ***As I see it, if love is present, it fully understands and > > accepts how seeing something other than love can happen and > > requires no apology. Apologies are only required where a judgment > > of wrongdoing has been made and forgiveness cannot be offered > > without an apology. > > > > > > > > > > ------ > I thought maybe it a good idea to clarify, that there is love, the human > emotion, and love the source. This is another one of those unfortunate > circumstances where the same word gets used for two different meanings. > Words make everything so much more confusing. > > Love, the human emotion, is a general feeling of endearment, a close > affinity with an object or person or idea. It is a physiological > response to a given circumstance. > > Love, the source, can probably be best described as consciousness > itself, the giver and provider of life and of death and everything in > between, more or less. > > I describe love as the infinite potential for all that is. > > Unconditional love, not the emotional kind, encompasses the ongoing > evolution of consciousness. It does this by enabling and allowing > everything to occur, or not occur, without judgement. Unconditional > love, the highest level of human awareness, enables the highest level of > choice. With more choice comes more adaptability, and evolution continues. > > To what end? Another beginning. Ad infinitum. > > Only my opinion of course. > > > tyga > Let's apply a little Occam's Razor Shaving Cream....shave off everything that isn't *Love*.... Unconditional love is just that: love sans *conditions*.... ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 2, 2008 anabebe57 wrote: > > > > Let's apply a little Occam's Razor Shaving Cream....shave off > everything that isn't *Love*.... > > Unconditional love is just that: love sans *conditions*.... > > ~A > --- > I like the idea, but it's not very practical. It is great to remove as many assumptions as possible, indeed, but I think we also want to make it a practical explanation. Unconditional love = love without condition. That's like saying, a horseless carriage = a carriage without a horse. I think you probably see my point. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
