impersonallity of enlightenment

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>i don't care at all....the reason....

>whatever " you " are doing in life...

Well, this is maybe wise, but it also makes me feel sorry. You dont

care for others, you do not want to be cared... you must be lonely.

Well, I also sometimes feel lonely, but not often. At least at the

moment not. I am 52 years old, a composer / musician and I live in

Greece. We have terrible fires here, many people lost their lives,

many more their homes. Where do you live? Since you are posting that

time of the day I suppose you are not living in the US? What else are

you doing besides posting here?

Stefan

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >i don't care at all....the reason....

> >whatever " you " are doing in life...

>

> Well, this is maybe wise, but it also makes me feel sorry. You dont

> care for others, you do not want to be cared... you must be lonely.

> Well, I also sometimes feel lonely, but not often. At least at the

> moment not. I am 52 years old, a composer / musician and I live in

> Greece. We have terrible fires here, many people lost their lives,

> many more their homes. Where do you live? Since you are posting that

> time of the day I suppose you are not living in the US? What else

are

> you doing besides posting here?

>

> Stefan

you tend you imagine many things.....in reading few words...

there seem to be a strong tendency within you...to " select " others...

i wrote about....the Reason....of doing whatever in life....

that i don't care about " your " Reason....to write in here....

....Not about that i don't care for others

again...you see....

this your misconception and wrong analyse....

you are attached too....

for some reason....

but if you persist ....again....and again....

ok....then i think now that, indeed, you seem to be (sometimes)

a " lonely " musician kind of.....

with strong mind....means ego

(maybe the reason of your lonelyness and attitude

if i'm wrong.....sorry about.....

i just don't make any " selection " ....like you do

....

if you where a more spiritual person...

you would know that there is no lonelyness in spirituality...

so i'm not lonely

....

i heard about the terrible fires in Greece...

it's a very sad situation....

and also the fact that there are more and more often fires....also in

other countries in the south....is something serious....

this is already a political subject....

means, i think that in EU....it's time to help each other in much

better way....faster.....

.....but such discussion, maybe, are not here, in this group...to be

discussed....

.....

i live in north part of luxembourg...

in a calm area....little villages....

go by train, everyday to the city...

and do a normal office job....

.....

you seem to live in much more cultural environment....

i like greece...

have been few times to crete...

specially the south of crete...i remember is very beautiful...

and more calm area...

.....

best hopes for the people in Greece who need to fight against

fires.....

Marc

>

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>....but such discussion, maybe, are not here, in this group...to be

>discussed....

Why not? Are those things not spiritual enough for you?

>i live in north part of luxembourg...

>in a calm area....little villages....

>go by train, everyday to the city...

>and do a normal office job....

I think its nice there. Is your main language French or German? BTW...

you sound much more spiritual, or lets say: mature... authentic...

when you talk just ordinarily about your life than when you are trying

to be spiritual... ;-)

>you seem to live in much more cultural environment....

>i like greece...

>have been few times to crete...

>specially the south of crete...i remember is very beautiful...

>and more calm area...

Wow, I live in the south of Crete, where have you been?

>best hopes for the people in Greece who need to fight against

>fires.....

Oh yes,

Greetings

Stefan

August 29, 2007

Oh, I am just as phony as " I " can be...

and that music... it depends on the listener I guess.

But now, I wonder about b.b.b.

The attitude behind his scribbling...

What is it?

Trying very hard to sound:

authentic?

Amusing?

Intelligent?

Spiritual?

Non-phony?

What is the meaning that I should attach?

Frustration?

Inferiority complex?

Boredom?

What do you think?

If you want to turn the wheel...

Scribble!

S.

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > >i don't care at all....the reason....

> > >whatever " you " are doing in life...

> >

> > Well, this is maybe wise, but it also makes me feel sorry. You dont

> > care for others, you do not want to be cared... you must be lonely.

> > Well, I also sometimes feel lonely, but not often. At least at the

> > moment not. I am 52 years old, a composer / musician and I live in

> > Greece. We have terrible fires here, many people lost their lives,

> > many more their homes. Where do you live? Since you are posting that

> > time of the day I suppose you are not living in the US? What else are

> > you doing besides posting here?

> >

> > Stefan

>

> gosh you are a sorry thing aren't you?

>

> what else do you do but sing the blues?

>

> " i've seen fire and i've seen rain.

>

> i've seen sunny days i thought would never end. "

>

> (thnx mr. j. taylor)

>

> and i see your compassion for the land and folks of greece..

>

> you mention them briefly then move on to unctuous questions.

>

> such a 'caring' guy!

>

> that's not wise nor sorrowful.

>

> that's just plain smarmy bullshit.

>

> is your music this phony?

>

> .b b.b.

>

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >....but such discussion, maybe, are not here, in this group...to

be

> >discussed....

>

> Why not? Are those things not spiritual enough for you?

don't know if this is the right place to talk about fires....

many other things also then could be discussed in here...

reaching a level of CNN....lol

or reading the newspapers.....

or....or...

>

> >i live in north part of luxembourg...

> >in a calm area....little villages....

> >go by train, everyday to the city...

> >and do a normal office job....

>

> I think its nice there. Is your main language French or German?

BTW...

> you sound much more spiritual, or lets say: mature... authentic...

> when you talk just ordinarily about your life than when you are

trying

> to be spiritual... ;-)

official language is french

you don't like the way i discuss spiritual subjects....i already

know.....lol

why telling me all the time this your opinion....?

do you realy believe i'm interested in reading your " logical " and

conceptual talk.....?....

but go on....write whatever you like to write....

again....i told you...

i don't care

>

> >you seem to live in much more cultural environment....

> >i like greece...

> >have been few times to crete...

> >specially the south of crete...i remember is very beautiful...

> >and more calm area...

>

> Wow, I live in the south of Crete, where have you been?

it was already some more years ago...

remember " paleochora " ?... " elaffonissis " ?......but one for sure...:

Loutro....and few bays close to Loutro...

>

> >best hopes for the people in Greece who need to fight against

> >fires.....

be carefull with this your strong ego.....

and ....take It easy....

Marc

>

> Oh yes,

> Greetings

> Stefan

>

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>you don't like the way i discuss spiritual subjects....

Why did you think this?

Because you are writing to be liked?

And I did not show enough appreciation?

To be honest, I have not the slightest idea what makes a " spiritual

subject " :

Fire

South-East Crete

Understanding

Boredom

Church bells

Riddles

S.

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Oh, I am just as phony as " I " can be...

> and that music... it depends on the listener I guess.

>

> But now, I wonder about b.b.b.

> The attitude behind his scribbling...

> What is it?

there is no 'attitude'.

except as perceived by the reader.

> Trying very hard to sound:

> authentic?

> Amusing?

> Intelligent?

> Spiritual?

> Non-phony?

there is no 'trying'.

what is..is.

what is not..is not.

the suggested adjectival alternatives you present are...

ostentatious and pretentious and insignificant judgements.

> What is the meaning that I should attach?

> Frustration?

> Inferiority complex?

> Boredom?

> What do you think?

what you attach or do not attach is your business.

i could not care less whichever way you go with it.

there is no meaning.

baba has made this clear many times.

don't you hear?

that must be tough for a 'music man'.

dear stephan...there is nothing to 'think' about.

you seem to be taking things personally.

there is no such 'person'.

relax.

> If you want to turn the wheel...

> Scribble!

>

> S

you seem to enjoy scribbling.

i could care less...or more..or not at all.

no wheel..no turning...no baba.

now don't go and feel sorry for me..

or wait...please do..i love to laugh!

LOL

..b b.b.

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >i don't care at all....the reason....

> > > >whatever " you " are doing in life...

> > >

> > > Well, this is maybe wise, but it also makes me feel sorry. You dont

> > > care for others, you do not want to be cared... you must be lonely.

> > > Well, I also sometimes feel lonely, but not often. At least at the

> > > moment not. I am 52 years old, a composer / musician and I live in

> > > Greece. We have terrible fires here, many people lost their lives,

> > > many more their homes. Where do you live? Since you are posting that

> > > time of the day I suppose you are not living in the US? What

else are

> > > you doing besides posting here?

> > >

> > > Stefan

> >

> > gosh you are a sorry thing aren't you?

> >

> > what else do you do but sing the blues?

> >

> > " i've seen fire and i've seen rain.

> >

> > i've seen sunny days i thought would never end. "

> >

> > (thnx mr. j. taylor)

> >

> > and i see your compassion for the land and folks of greece..

> >

> > you mention them briefly then move on to unctuous questions.

> >

> > such a 'caring' guy!

> >

> > that's not wise nor sorrowful.

> >

> > that's just plain smarmy bullshit.

> >

> > is your music this phony?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >you don't like the way i discuss spiritual subjects....

>

> Why did you think this?

> Because you are writing to be liked?

> And I did not show enough appreciation?

you are specialist....in picking out....few words...

and then continue to write.....non-sense....

this become....indeed, very boring...

you just don't need to read my messages....it's simple....isn't

it?.......

maybe too simple for an imaginary " you " ....

i wrote some words today about people who realy NEED attention....

inspired by reading people like you....

maybe it's tooo calm in Crete for you.....

>

> To be honest, I have not the slightest idea what makes a " spiritual

> subject " :

>

> Fire

> South-East Crete

> Understanding

> Boredom

> Church bells

> Riddles

yes....indeed....you have no ideas about....

except this " your " personal view of things....

be proud of it, yes....

good for the ego mind....

>

> S.

>

August 29, 2007

Marc, it is true, what I write is senseless.

Could you tell me, what you mean by " spiritual " ?

S.

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > >you don't like the way i discuss spiritual subjects....

> >

> > Why did you think this?

> > Because you are writing to be liked?

> > And I did not show enough appreciation?

>

> you are specialist....in picking out....few words...

> and then continue to write.....non-sense....

>

> this become....indeed, very boring...

>

> you just don't need to read my messages....it's simple....isn't

> it?.......

> maybe too simple for an imaginary " you " ....

>

> i wrote some words today about people who realy NEED attention....

> inspired by reading people like you....

>

> maybe it's tooo calm in Crete for you.....

>

> >

> > To be honest, I have not the slightest idea what makes a " spiritual

> > subject " :

> >

> > Fire

> > South-East Crete

> > Understanding

> > Boredom

> > Church bells

> > Riddles

>

> yes....indeed....you have no ideas about....

> except this " your " personal view of things....

>

> be proud of it, yes....

>

> good for the ego mind....

> >

> > S.

> >

>

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Marc, it is true, what I write is senseless.

> Could you tell me, what you mean by " spiritual " ?

>

> S.

>

.....what i mean by spiritual...

can be read (find out) in my messages...

i refuse to give you more details...

you would again play your game...

of...

picking out few words...

to play little around....

with your strong ego mind....

Marc

Ps: impossible to let people.....just in peace?....

i wouldn't react since long time to your posts...

but " you " persist and insist....

in order to get prove of your ego....

to stop such sad games....

means, to react on whatever apearences ...in the world....

is necessary to start talking about subjects of spirituality

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>there is no 'attitude'.

>except as perceived by the reader.

Yes, you are absolutely right.

It is perceived by the reader.

And I am sure you understand

That the same applies to b.b.b.

When reading Stefans words.

> there is no 'trying'.

> what is..is.

Yes, well said!

No iota will be added

Nor subtracted

By any word

The moment one starts this wheel

It is laughable to say:

" You turned it "

" I do not turn it! "

Because obviously

It takes two and

Both are turning it

With " turning " I mean: taking things personally.

Stefan does it, b.b.b. does it.

The idea of a person is a construct

Falling into 1000 pieces if closely examined

Nevertheless the game is played

Sometimes with grandeur

Sometimes on an embarrassing level

(56889 postings on Nisargadatta Group!)

>what you attach or do not attach is your business.

>i could not care less whichever way you go with it.

Ahhh! You also " could not care less " ...

But then... why do you care?

(I am sure you can see that you care, can you?)

I think its good, that we care. :-)

Stefan

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

> Ps: impossible to let people.....just in peace?....

If you want peace, Mark, my dear friend...

Why not be more peaceful?

Just take a deep breath...

and try!

Stefan

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>why should there be meaning attached to any word, person, thing?

There is no need to. But sometimes it makes sense.

>you are suggesting that it's ok and correct to say senseless things..

No, I am not suggesting something like this. On the level of personal

communication I find it very helpful to make sense in the specific

context. But I am not infallable and have no problems to admit my

shortcomings. In the course of my conversation with Mark I lost my

ability to make any sense out of it. So I started to mimic him and to

approach him from different angles. But maybe it is simply a

Greek/German not understanding a Luxemburg/Frenchman.

Stefan

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

>

> >there is no 'attitude'.

> >except as perceived by the reader.

>

> Yes, you are absolutely right.

> It is perceived by the reader.

> And I am sure you understand

> That the same applies to b.b.b.

> When reading Stefans words.

actually no words apply.

not for baba..not for stephan

as time and the world go by.

> > there is no 'trying'.

> > what is..is.

>

> Yes, well said!

>

> No iota will be added

> Nor subtracted

> By any word

>

> The moment one starts this wheel

> It is laughable to say:

> " You turned it "

> " I do not turn it! "

> Because obviously

> It takes two and

> Both are turning it

no wheel..no turning..no both..no one

not two.

no starting..continuing..finishing.

> With " turning " I mean: taking things personally.

> Stefan does it, b.b.b. does it.

> The idea of a person is a construct

> Falling into 1000 pieces if closely examined

examined by whom?

baba is no one and is impersonal....

with no reference or care.

> Nevertheless the game is played

> Sometimes with grandeur

> Sometimes on an embarrassing level

> (56889 postings on Nisargadatta Group!)

>

> >what you attach or do not attach is your business.

> >i could not care less whichever way you go with it.

>

> Ahhh! You also " could not care less " ...

> But then... why do you care?

> (I am sure you can see that you care, can you?)

>

> I think its good, that we care.

> Stefan

you have the lowdown on good and bad?

you care about caring?

this caring is not in my care to dare or deny.

it's not my game.

but the band plays on eh?

:-)

..b b.b.

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

>

> >why should there be meaning attached to any word, person, thing?

>

> There is no need to. But sometimes it makes sense.

>

> >you are suggesting that it's ok and correct to say senseless things..

>

> No, I am not suggesting something like this. On the level of personal

> communication I find it very helpful to make sense in the specific

> context. But I am not infallable and have no problems to admit my

> shortcomings. In the course of my conversation with Mark I lost my

> ability to make any sense out of it. So I started to mimic him and to

> approach him from different angles. But maybe it is simply a

> Greek/German not understanding a Luxemburg/Frenchman.

>

> Stefan

okey dokey.

..b b.b.

p.s.

what are shortcomings?

LOL!

August 29, 2007

yes, the band plays on... :-)

(and you DO care, your postings are the proof, don't fool yourself

into holy smoke!)

Stefan

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > >there is no 'attitude'.

> > >except as perceived by the reader.

> >

> > Yes, you are absolutely right.

> > It is perceived by the reader.

> > And I am sure you understand

> > That the same applies to b.b.b.

> > When reading Stefans words.

>

> actually no words apply.

>

> not for baba..not for stephan

>

> as time and the world go by.

>

> > there is no 'trying'.

> > > what is..is.

> >

> > Yes, well said!

> >

> > No iota will be added

> > Nor subtracted

> > By any word

> >

> > The moment one starts this wheel

> > It is laughable to say:

> > " You turned it "

> > " I do not turn it! "

> > Because obviously

> > It takes two and

> > Both are turning it

>

> no wheel..no turning..no both..no one

>

> not two.

>

> no starting..continuing..finishing.

>

> With " turning " I mean: taking things personally.

> > Stefan does it, b.b.b. does it.

> > The idea of a person is a construct

> > Falling into 1000 pieces if closely examined

>

> examined by whom?

>

> baba is no one and is impersonal....

>

> with no reference or care.

> Nevertheless the game is played

> > Sometimes with grandeur

> > Sometimes on an embarrassing level

> > (56889 postings on Nisargadatta Group!)

> >

> > >what you attach or do not attach is your business.

> > >i could not care less whichever way you go with it.

> >

> > Ahhh! You also " could not care less " ...

> > But then... why do you care?

> > (I am sure you can see that you care, can you?)

> >

> > I think its good, that we care.

>

> > Stefan

>

> you have the lowdown on good and bad?

>

> you care about caring?

>

> this caring is not in my care to dare or deny.

>

> it's not my game.

>

> but the band plays on eh?

>

> :-)

>

> .b b.b.

>

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>what are shortcomings?

defect, flaw, deficiency, inadequacy, inferiority

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

>

> >what are shortcomings?

>

> defect, flaw, deficiency, inadequacy, inferiority

whew!

unassailed by such, i was in the dark without explanation.

strangely enough...i don't care.

..b b.b.

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> yes, the band plays on... :-)

>

> (and you DO care, your postings are the proof, don't fool yourself

> into holy smoke!)

>

> Stefan

well it's also true that i don't care if i care.

call me careless.

but that holy smoke thing sounds interesting.

call me old hippy.

..b b.b.

p.s.

i have been in the music business for nearing four decades now.

i still produce and publish and write.

but the only playing is in studio now.

life's full of surprises isn't it.

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >there is no 'attitude'.

> > > >except as perceived by the reader.

> > >

> > > Yes, you are absolutely right.

> > > It is perceived by the reader.

> > > And I am sure you understand

> > > That the same applies to b.b.b.

> > > When reading Stefans words.

>

> >

> > actually no words apply.

> >

> > not for baba..not for stephan

> >

> > as time and the world go by.

> >

> > > > there is no 'trying'.

> > > > what is..is.

> > >

> > > Yes, well said!

> > >

> > > No iota will be added

> > > Nor subtracted

> > > By any word

> > >

> > > The moment one starts this wheel

> > > It is laughable to say:

> > > " You turned it "

> > > " I do not turn it! "

> > > Because obviously

> > > It takes two and

> > > Both are turning it

> >

> > no wheel..no turning..no both..no one

> >

> > not two.

> >

> > no starting..continuing..finishing.

> >

> > > With " turning " I mean: taking things personally.

> > > Stefan does it, b.b.b. does it.

> > > The idea of a person is a construct

> > > Falling into 1000 pieces if closely examined

> >

> > examined by whom?

> >

> > baba is no one and is impersonal....

> >

> > with no reference or care.

> >

> > > Nevertheless the game is played

> > > Sometimes with grandeur

> > > Sometimes on an embarrassing level

> > > (56889 postings on Nisargadatta Group!)

> > >

> > > >what you attach or do not attach is your business.

> > > >i could not care less whichever way you go with it.

> > >

> > > Ahhh! You also " could not care less " ...

> > > But then... why do you care?

> > > (I am sure you can see that you care, can you?)

> > >

> > > I think its good, that we care.

> >

> > > Stefan

> >

> > you have the lowdown on good and bad?

> >

> > you care about caring?

> >

> > this caring is not in my care to dare or deny.

> >

> > it's not my game.

> >

> > but the band plays on eh?

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

August 29, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> > Ps: impossible to let people.....just in peace?....

>

> If you want peace, Mark, my dear friend...

> Why not be more peaceful?

>

> Just take a deep breath...

> and try!

>

> Stefan

yeah.....Stefan.....the one who presume to care about things...*

Marc

* specially care for himself....

August 29, 2007

Unassailed... what a beautiful word.

So assailed... we can head for new shores now.

No need to care about the known...

Just one thing... " strangely enough " ?

Do your defensive walls already start to crackle?

S.

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > >what are shortcomings?

> >

> > defect, flaw, deficiency, inadequacy, inferiority

>

> whew!

>

> unassailed by such, i was in the dark without explanation.

>

> strangely enough...i don't care.

>

> .b b.b.

>

August 30, 2007

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Unassailed... what a beautiful word.

> So assailed... we can head for new shores now.

> No need to care about the known...

> Just one thing... " strangely enough " ?

> Do your defensive walls already start to crackle?

>

> S.

ROFLMAO!

'defensive walls'...

that's sick.

surely you have more cool than to believe that silly shit.

are you under the influence?

hahahaaaaaaaa!

..b b.b.

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >what are shortcomings?

> > >

> > > defect, flaw, deficiency, inadequacy, inferiority

> >

> > whew!

> >

> > unassailed by such, i was in the dark without explanation.

> >

> > strangely enough...i don't care.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

August 30, 2007

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > >i don't care at all....the reason....

> > >whatever " you " are doing in life...

> >

> > Well, this is maybe wise, but it also makes me feel sorry. You dont

> > care for others, you do not want to be cared... you must be lonely.

> > Well, I also sometimes feel lonely, but not often. At least at the

> > moment not. I am 52 years old, a composer / musician and I live in

> > Greece. We have terrible fires here, many people lost their lives,

> > many more their homes. Where do you live? Since you are posting that

> > time of the day I suppose you are not living in the US? What else are

> > you doing besides posting here?

> >

> > Stefan

>

> gosh you are a sorry thing aren't you?

>

> what else do you do but sing the blues?

>

> " i've seen fire and i've seen rain.

>

> i've seen sunny days i thought would never end. "

>

> (thnx mr. j. taylor)

>

> and i see your compassion for the land and folks of greece..

>

> you mention them briefly then move on to unctuous questions.

>

> such a 'caring' guy!

>

> that's not wise nor sorrowful.

>

> that's just plain smarmy bullshit.

>

> is your music this phony?

>

> .b b.b.

Look at that!

b.b.b. judging.

What judges but ego?

What critizes but ego?

What beside egos must maintain superiority?

What beside egos must attack to maintain superiority?

Not surprising... the little self of b.b.b. is not integrous.

His drivel reveals this.

But not b.b.b.'s fault.

Totality in the form of b.b.b.chose to be ignorant

of his true Self. And his mind can't transcend itself to understand

this.

No accident. Everything Is at it Is and unfolds perfectly.

While b.b.b.s caustic drivel is beyond his conscious awareness,

it is nonetheless Totality acting through b.b.b. - including his

so-called ego.

In the phenomenal world of duality... b.b.b. is no less a sensory

instrument of Totality than any other body/mind entity. And try as he

might, the realization of his divinity cannot happen by his volition.

Should b.b.b one moment see the light... it will only be by Divine

Providence... even though ego will make every attempt to take credit.

Let's all watch how b.b.b.'s intellect reacts to this post. It will be

most revealing.

Peace

Bob C.

Fillmore, CA, USA

August 30, 2007

Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>hahahaaaaaaaa!

I am happy that someone here at least found his humor.

It is on a pretty low level,

But at least it sounds like laughter.

It was amazing watching you guys falling

Into your - so predictable - reactions

(Only through simple mimic!)

I just wonder, where are you all gone

You grown ups?

Stefan

August 30, 2007

Good morning Marc, my dear!

As I can see

You like to keep the wheel turning

It turns as long as it is turned

To see this mechanism

Is " spirituality " .

All spirituality there is.

Fighting against egos...

What does one gain?

Lets enjoy our egos

as long as we still have them

Lets watch their reflections

In the others face

Because this is all there is

Out there... reflections...

Or be silent

A goat is mourning

A bird is singing

What a day!

Stefan

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > > Ps: impossible to let people.....just in peace?....

> >

> > If you want peace, Mark, my dear friend...

> > Why not be more peaceful?

> >

> > Just take a deep breath...

> > and try!

> >

> > Stefan

>

> yeah.....Stefan.....the one who presume to care about things...*

>

> Marc

>

> * specially care for himself....

>

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