impersonallity of enlightenment

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enlightenment is impersonal....

means, not related to any imaginary entity

 

 

 

due to enlightenment.....people choose to do whatever actions....

with or " without knowing " *....

that they don't have any real " free " choice

 

 

due to enlightenment.....people choose sometimes actions....

which lead to more knowledge and understanding of This

 

 

due to enlightenment....people choose sometimes actions...

which lead to ignorance*....without knowing

 

 

but whatever the actions.....

all are in relation to enlightenment.....

 

 

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: due to ignorance, enlightenment is " seen " as something ....only

existing in far times.....in the future....

something which is personal.....etc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

>

>

> enlightenment is impersonal....

> means, not related to any imaginary entity

>

 

How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

 

>

>

> due to enlightenment.....people choose to do whatever actions....

> with or " without knowing " *....

> that they don't have any real " free " choice

>

 

How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

 

>

> due to enlightenment.....people choose sometimes actions....

> which lead to more knowledge and understanding of This

>

 

How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

 

>

> due to enlightenment....people choose sometimes actions...

> which lead to ignorance*....without knowing

>

 

How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

 

>

> but whatever the actions.....

> all are in relation to enlightenment.....

>

 

How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

 

Werner

 

 

>

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: due to ignorance, enlightenment is " seen " as something ....only

> existing in far times.....in the future....

> something which is personal.....etc

>

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > enlightenment is impersonal....

> > means, not related to any imaginary entity

> >

>

> How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

>

> >

> >

> > due to enlightenment.....people choose to do whatever actions....

> > with or " without knowing " *....

> > that they don't have any real " free " choice

> >

>

> How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

>

> >

> > due to enlightenment.....people choose sometimes actions....

> > which lead to more knowledge and understanding of This

> >

>

> How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

>

> >

> > due to enlightenment....people choose sometimes actions...

> > which lead to ignorance*....without knowing

> >

>

> How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

>

> >

> > but whatever the actions.....

> > all are in relation to enlightenment.....

> >

>

> How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

>

> Werner

>

>

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: due to ignorance, enlightenment is " seen " as

something ....only

> > existing in far times.....in the future....

> > something which is personal.....etc

 

 

 

Hi Werner....

 

you seem to repeat same questions....again and again....

 

you want to know.... " how i know.... "

 

i think....if you would read less in this your books....

 

there would be a chance that you understand little....

 

by yourSelf...

 

what i'm writing about

 

 

Marc

 

 

 

Ps: how i know this?...

 

i'm sure about

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > enlightenment is impersonal....

> > > means, not related to any imaginary entity

> > >

> >

> > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > due to enlightenment.....people choose to do whatever

actions....

> > > with or " without knowing " *....

> > > that they don't have any real " free " choice

> > >

> >

> > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> >

> > >

> > > due to enlightenment.....people choose sometimes actions....

> > > which lead to more knowledge and understanding of This

> > >

> >

> > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> >

> > >

> > > due to enlightenment....people choose sometimes actions...

> > > which lead to ignorance*....without knowing

> > >

> >

> > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> >

> > >

> > > but whatever the actions.....

> > > all are in relation to enlightenment.....

> > >

> >

> > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > Ps: due to ignorance, enlightenment is " seen " as

> something ....only

> > > existing in far times.....in the future....

> > > something which is personal.....etc

>

>

>

>

> Hi Werner....

>

> you seem to repeat same questions....again and again....

>

> you want to know.... " how i know.... "

>

> i think....if you would read less in this your books....

>

> there would be a chance that you understand little....

>

> by yourSelf...

>

> what i'm writing about

>

>

> Marc

>

>

>

> Ps: how i know this?...

>

> i'm sure about

>

 

 

I just was reading a book about the mental disease of enlightenment

and when I put it way and read your post I suddnely understood:

 

You, Marc, don't read books and you are enlightened.

 

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > enlightenment is impersonal....

> > > > means, not related to any imaginary entity

> > > >

> > >

> > > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > due to enlightenment.....people choose to do whatever

> actions....

> > > > with or " without knowing " *....

> > > > that they don't have any real " free " choice

> > > >

> > >

> > > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> > >

> > > >

> > > > due to enlightenment.....people choose sometimes actions....

> > > > which lead to more knowledge and understanding of This

> > > >

> > >

> > > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> > >

> > > >

> > > > due to enlightenment....people choose sometimes actions...

> > > > which lead to ignorance*....without knowing

> > > >

> > >

> > > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> > >

> > > >

> > > > but whatever the actions.....

> > > > all are in relation to enlightenment.....

> > > >

> > >

> > > How do you know, Marc, or do just repeat what you have read ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: due to ignorance, enlightenment is " seen " as

> > something ....only

> > > > existing in far times.....in the future....

> > > > something which is personal.....etc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Werner....

> >

> > you seem to repeat same questions....again and again....

> >

> > you want to know.... " how i know.... "

> >

> > i think....if you would read less in this your books....

> >

> > there would be a chance that you understand little....

> >

> > by yourSelf...

> >

> > what i'm writing about

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> >

> > Ps: how i know this?...

> >

> > i'm sure about

> >

>

>

> I just was reading a book about the mental disease of enlightenment

> and when I put it way and read your post I suddnely understood:

>

> You, Marc, don't read books and you are enlightened.

>

>

>

> Werner

 

 

books help out.....

finding some " truth " ...

finding a teacher....and

with little chance...

a real spiritual teacher...

a real Guru...

like Niz...

and endless numbers of others...

 

....getting the direction...

 

to oneSelf...

 

 

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

 

>books help out.....

>finding some " truth " ...

>finding a teacher....and

>with little chance...

>a real spiritual teacher...

>a real Guru...

>like Niz...

>and endless numbers of others...

 

Are you one of them?

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >books help out.....

> >finding some " truth " ...

> >finding a teacher....and

> >with little chance...

> >a real spiritual teacher...

> >a real Guru...

> >like Niz...

> >and endless numbers of others...

>

> Are you one of them?

>

> S.

 

 

 

are 'you' not?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

>>

>> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

>> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

 

>>>a real spiritual teacher...

>>>a real Guru...

>>>like Niz...

>>>and endless numbers of others...

>>

>>Are you one of them?

>>

>>S.

>

>are 'you' not?

>

>.b b.b.

 

No, haha! And you?

Is somebody kissing your feet?

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> >> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >>>a real spiritual teacher...

> >>>a real Guru...

> >>>like Niz...

> >>>and endless numbers of others...

> >>

> >>Are you one of them?

> >>

> >>S.

> >

> >are 'you' not?

> >

> >.b b.b.

>

> No, haha! And you?

> Is somebody kissing your feet?

>

> S.

 

 

 

no one stands tall enough to kiss the baba's holy feet.

 

and besides,most worshipers get cold feet when merely appraoching him.

 

as baba's buddy buddha said:

 

'the foot feels the foot when it feels the ground.'

 

bobji doesn't care to have worshipers' kisses between He and Truth.

 

and more importantly...there are no 'somebodies' in any case.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >books help out.....

> >finding some " truth " ...

> >finding a teacher....and

> >with little chance...

> >a real spiritual teacher...

> >a real Guru...

> >like Niz...

> >and endless numbers of others...

>

> Are you one of them?

>

> S.

 

 

" i " 'm nobody....lol

 

 

just like you are

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > >books help out.....

> > >finding some " truth " ...

> > >finding a teacher....and

> > >with little chance...

> > >a real spiritual teacher...

> > >a real Guru...

> > >like Niz...

> > >and endless numbers of others...

> >

> > Are you one of them?

> >

> > S.

>

>

> " i " 'm nobody....lol

>

>

> just like you are

>

>

> Marc

 

 

O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual teachers /

gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies, like

you and me?

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >books help out.....

> > > >finding some " truth " ...

> > > >finding a teacher....and

> > > >with little chance...

> > > >a real spiritual teacher...

> > > >a real Guru...

> > > >like Niz...

> > > >and endless numbers of others...

> > >

> > > Are you one of them?

> > >

> > > S.

> >

> >

> > " i " 'm nobody....lol

> >

> >

> > just like you are

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual teachers /

> gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies, like

> you and me?

>

> S.

 

 

they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

 

just like you and me....aren't

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >books help out.....

> > > >finding some " truth " ...

> > > >finding a teacher....and

> > > >with little chance...

> > > >a real spiritual teacher...

> > > >a real Guru...

> > > >like Niz...

> > > >and endless numbers of others...

> > >

> > > Are you one of them?

> > >

> > > S.

> >

> >

> > " i " 'm nobody....lol

> >

> >

> > just like you are

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual teachers /

> gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies, like

> you and me?

>

> S.

 

 

 

 

 

mi mi mi mi!

 

all together now:

 

" there's no business like show business like no business i know " ..

 

and just like showbiz..

 

me me me me!

 

there's nobody like nobody like nobody i know....

 

not just anybody can be a nobody..

 

it takes an everybody to raise a nobody.

 

..b b.b.

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>Stefan:

>O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual teachers /

>gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies, like

>you and me?

 

>Mark:

>they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

>just like you and me....aren't

>Marc

 

Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> >Stefan:

> >O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual teachers /

> >gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies,

like

> >you and me?

>

> >Mark:

> >they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

> >just like you and me....aren't

> >Marc

>

> Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

>

> S.

 

 

 

they " know & feel " It....

 

if you and me knew It too...

 

we wouldn't ask such fabulues questions....

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> >Stefan:

> >O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual teachers /

> >gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies, like

> >you and me?

>

> >Mark:

> >they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

> >just like you and me....aren't

> >Marc

>

> Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

>

> S.

>

WHO asks the question... the fictitious body/mind psychosomatic entity

referred to as S.? Or perhaps Totality? Seeing the false reveals the

Truth.

 

Says Remesh: " Enlightenment is the inevitable result of the utter

absence of purposeful intention. "

 

So simple. How could your true Self not be enlightened? Understanding

that precludes needing to ask more questions. If understanding doesn't

happen... so what? " Everything happens altogether by itself. The

shadow of causation can never be caught because all things and events

are merely interconnected differentiations in form of a single,

unified field... says Remesh. Does this pose a problem? Remesh again:

" The counter question to every problem is: Who has this problem? The

realization that he who has the problem is merely a concept without

any substance is the only solution.

 

Experience the Peace!

 

Bob C.

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Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >

> > >Stefan:

> > >O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual teachers /

> > >gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies, like

> > >you and me?

> >

> > >Mark:

> > >they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

> > >just like you and me....aren't

> > >Marc

> >

> > Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

> >

> > S.

> >

> WHO asks the question... the fictitious body/mind psychosomatic entity

> referred to as S.? Or perhaps Totality? Seeing the false reveals the

> Truth.

>

> Says Remesh: " Enlightenment is the inevitable result of the utter

> absence of purposeful intention. "

>

> So simple. How could your true Self not be enlightened? Understanding

> that precludes needing to ask more questions. If understanding doesn't

> happen... so what? " Everything happens altogether by itself. The

> shadow of causation can never be caught because all things and events

> are merely interconnected differentiations in form of a single,

> unified field... says Remesh. Does this pose a problem? Remesh again:

> " The counter question to every problem is: Who has this problem? The

> realization that he who has the problem is merely a concept without

> any substance is the only solution.

>

> Experience the Peace!

>

> Bob C.

 

 

if there is 'experience' there is:

 

'something' experienced..

 

'someone' experiencing..

 

there is herein no such peace.

 

lose the experiencer AND the experience and BE peace.

 

if there remains any self or Self...

 

the road towards peace remains long and unbearable.

 

 

..b b.b.

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>Mark:

>they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

>just like you and me....aren't

 

>Stefan:

>Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

 

>Mark:

>they " know & feel " It....

>if you and me knew It too...

>we wouldn't ask such fabulues questions....

>

 

You are surprising me, Marc. If you do not know it and also do not

feel it, how can you come here and claim that you (and Werner, and me

and everybody) are not our appearing body, but don't know it and don't

feel it etc.? The only logical conclusion I can draw from your answers

is: you don't know it, you don't feel it, so you just repeat what you

have heard or read somewhere.

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> >Mark:

> >they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

> >just like you and me....aren't

>

> >Stefan:

> >Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

>

> >Mark:

> >they " know & feel " It....

> >if you and me knew It too...

> >we wouldn't ask such fabulues questions....

> >

>

> You are surprising me, Marc. If you do not know it and also do not

> feel it, how can you come here and claim that you (and Werner, and

me

> and everybody) are not our appearing body, but don't know it and

don't

> feel it etc.? The only logical conclusion I can draw from your

answers

> is: you don't know it, you don't feel it, so you just repeat what

you

> have heard or read somewhere.

>

> S.

 

 

 

....

 

don't worry.....i " see & feel " of It....

 

i have no idea about what " you " feel & see.....

 

but if you would feel & see....

 

you wouldn't try to come...again....with some imaginary

conclusion....and concept

 

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> >

> > >Stefan:

> > >O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual

teachers /

> > >gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies,

like

> > >you and me?

> >

> > >Mark:

> > >they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

> > >just like you and me....aren't

> > >Marc

> >

> > Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

> >

> > S.

> >

> WHO asks the question... the fictitious body/mind psychosomatic

entity

> referred to as S.? Or perhaps Totality? Seeing the false reveals the

> Truth.

>

> Says Remesh: " Enlightenment is the inevitable result of the utter

> absence of purposeful intention. "

>

> So simple. How could your true Self not be enlightened?

Understanding

> that precludes needing to ask more questions. If understanding

doesn't

> happen... so what? " Everything happens altogether by itself. The

> shadow of causation can never be caught because all things and

events

> are merely interconnected differentiations in form of a single,

> unified field... says Remesh. Does this pose a problem? Remesh

again:

> " The counter question to every problem is: Who has this problem? The

> realization that he who has the problem is merely a concept without

> any substance is the only solution.

>

> Experience the Peace!

>

> Bob C.

 

 

 

yes....as long there isn't " experience the peace " .....there are

actions which still don't result....

 

....in peace

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: there is no path....

there has never been a path...

there will never be a path...

 

......from Here....to Here

 

except in the mysterious books of imaginary Gurus...which are telling

the ever wished and expected nice stories.......

 

in order to fall asleep....

 

again....and again

 

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> >Mark:

> >they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

> >just like you and me....aren't

>

> >Stefan:

> >Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

>

> >Mark:

> >they " know & feel " It....

> >if you and me knew It too...

> >we wouldn't ask such fabulues questions....

> >

>

> You are surprising me, Marc. If you do not know it and also do not

> feel it, how can you come here and claim that you (and Werner, and me

> and everybody) are not our appearing body, but don't know it and don't

> feel it etc.? The only logical conclusion I can draw from your answers

> is: you don't know it, you don't feel it, so you just repeat what you

> have heard or read somewhere.

>

> S.

 

 

 

logic is a silly god.

 

a self confirming triviality that seems to enrapture it's slaves.

 

pity the fools of rational thought....

 

never shall they escape their prison of false faith.

 

but...

 

that's what makes the world go round...

 

it does 'go round' right?

 

in our current paradigm...

 

scientific and epistemological..

 

it only seems logical that that's that.

 

no surprises here.

 

..b b.b.

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My friend, you have said that there is an endless number of Gurus like

Niz, and that they know and feel that they are not their body, but

that you and me unfortunately do not know and feel the same. I felt

sorry when I heard this from you, hence my enquiry.

 

I just would like to encourage you to stand up and become your own

guru. You only need to use your brain and you can easily see that what

you call " Marc " or " I " is not identical with the body at which you are

pointing at when you say " I " . I would like to encourage you to use

your own tools, and your brain is one of them. Where do you hope to

reach by preaching and teaching phrases that can be read in every

book? And why are you so defensive? From those by whom you feel

attacked you can learn the most about yourself. Inquire this feeling

of being hurt, not those who have hurt you. Forget those concepts

about knowing and not knowing, my dear. Instead try to find your own

understanding by taking it into your own hands.

 

Every and each moment is an opportunity to see and to feel that which

really is.

 

I wish you all good... everything you are hoping for may becomes true

 

Stefan

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob " <rgcbob@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >Stefan:

> > > >O.k. then: are those " endless number of real spiritual

> teachers /

> > > >gurus " like those you have recommended to Werner also nobodies,

> like

> > > >you and me?

> > >

> > > >Mark:

> > > >they aren't their appearing body.....for real...

> > > >just like you and me....aren't

> > > >Marc

> > >

> > > Then what is the difference between " them " and " you and me " ?

> > >

> > > S.

> > >

> > WHO asks the question... the fictitious body/mind psychosomatic

> entity

> > referred to as S.? Or perhaps Totality? Seeing the false reveals the

> > Truth.

> >

> > Says Remesh: " Enlightenment is the inevitable result of the utter

> > absence of purposeful intention. "

> >

> > So simple. How could your true Self not be enlightened?

> Understanding

> > that precludes needing to ask more questions. If understanding

> doesn't

> > happen... so what? " Everything happens altogether by itself. The

> > shadow of causation can never be caught because all things and

> events

> > are merely interconnected differentiations in form of a single,

> > unified field... says Remesh. Does this pose a problem? Remesh

> again:

> > " The counter question to every problem is: Who has this problem? The

> > realization that he who has the problem is merely a concept without

> > any substance is the only solution.

> >

> > Experience the Peace!

> >

> > Bob C.

>

>

>

> yes....as long there isn't " experience the peace " .....there are

> actions which still don't result....

>

> ...in peace

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: there is no path....

> there has never been a path...

> there will never be a path...

>

> .....from Here....to Here

>

> except in the mysterious books of imaginary Gurus...which are telling

> the ever wished and expected nice stories.......

>

> in order to fall asleep....

>

> again....and again

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> My friend, you have said that there is an endless number of Gurus

like

> Niz, and that they know and feel that they are not their body, but

> that you and me unfortunately do not know and feel the same. I felt

> sorry when I heard this from you, hence my enquiry.

>

> I just would like to encourage you to stand up and become your own

> guru. You only need to use your brain and you can easily see that

what

> you call " Marc " or " I " is not identical with the body at which you

are

> pointing at when you say " I " . I would like to encourage you to use

> your own tools, and your brain is one of them. Where do you hope to

> reach by preaching and teaching phrases that can be read in every

> book? And why are you so defensive? From those by whom you feel

> attacked you can learn the most about yourself. Inquire this feeling

> of being hurt, not those who have hurt you. Forget those concepts

> about knowing and not knowing, my dear. Instead try to find your own

> understanding by taking it into your own hands.

>

> Every and each moment is an opportunity to see and to feel that

which

> really is.

>

> I wish you all good... everything you are hoping for may becomes

true

>

> Stefan

>

>

.....my friend Stefan....

 

seem that you still don't understand....

 

that i'm not reading many books....

 

that i'm not fabulues reader....like some others in here....

 

that i'm not writing the words...i just read in any books....

 

....and so on...

 

that i'm very well conscient about what & how i write...and do...

 

that i realy don't care if there some others, because they are

actually reading, again, a fabuloes book....think they could " share "

some of this stuff....in some way......

without meaning....etc....

 

that i'm conscient about the esoteric business some people in here

are involved in....

 

about their attitude to " protect " their nice name and very

intelligent " work " ......is necessary....

in order to continue to earn some money in this business...

 

....

 

wish a nice day

 

take it easy

 

Marc

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

 

>that i realy don't care if there some others, because they are

>actually reading, again, a fabuloes book....think they could " share "

>some of this stuff....in some way......

>without meaning....etc....

 

For someone who does not care... you write a LOT about them!

 

>that i'm conscient about the esoteric business some people in here

>are involved in....

>about their attitude to " protect " their nice name and very

>intelligent " work " ......is necessary....

>in order to continue to earn some money in this business...

 

Maybe you are not after money, but there must be something else you

are after. Why else is it so important for you to be understood?

 

Stefan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

>

> >that i realy don't care if there some others, because they are

> >actually reading, again, a fabuloes book....think they

could " share "

> >some of this stuff....in some way......

> >without meaning....etc....

>

> For someone who does not care... you write a LOT about them!

 

 

lol

 

but i assure you....

i realy don't care about them....if they understand something or

nothing....

it only give the inspiration to write some words....reading some

messages...

just like others are painting....with some inspirations....

or playing music....etc

 

 

> >that i'm conscient about the esoteric business some people in here

> >are involved in....

> >about their attitude to " protect " their nice name and very

> >intelligent " work " ......is necessary....

> >in order to continue to earn some money in this business...

>

> Maybe you are not after money, but there must be something else you

> are after. Why else is it so important for you to be understood?

 

i'm just following my life....like you do....and everybody do....

 

i don't understand why you care about the reason i'm writing....

 

i don't care at all....the reason....

whatever " you " are doing in life...

>

 

 

Marc

 

 

> Stefan

>