Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2006 > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > itself the pain. > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > itself is suffering. To accept suffering seems the only way > out... until death do us part. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > > itself the pain. > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > itself is suffering. To accept suffering seems the only way > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > > > itself the pain. > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > itself is suffering. To accept suffering seems the only way > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness > is > > > > > > itself the pain. > > > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > > and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > > itself is suffering. To accept suffering seems the only way > > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness > > is > > > > > > > itself the pain. > > > > > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > > > and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > > > itself is suffering. To accept suffering seems the only way > > > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > > > itself the pain. > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > itself is suffering. To accept suffering seems the only way > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 28, 2006 Pete chosing one sentence of Nisargadatta: Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is itself the pain Era: that is your consciousness Pete, not the term Niz called " Consciousness " P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, E: True p: and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness itself is suffering. E: wrong apropos, wrong use of Niz's quote: taken out of context p: To accept suffering seems the only way out... until death do us part. Tom: The attempt to accept the suffering....... increases the suffering. P: Attempting is your word. I didn't recommend attempting to accept. I asserted that when acceptance happens, suffering ends. Just do it! The way to the other side is understanding. T: Understanding happens..........or not. Danny:...in your dreams. E: hehe in a dreamworld of maya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > > Pete chosing one sentence of Nisargadatta: > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > itself the pain > > Era: that is your consciousness Pete, not the term Niz called " Consciousness " > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > E: True > > p: and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > itself is suffering. > > E: wrong apropos, wrong use of Niz's quote: taken out of context > > p: To accept suffering seems the only way > out... until death do us part. > > Tom: The attempt to accept the suffering....... increases the > suffering. > > P: Attempting is your word. I didn't recommend attempting > to accept. I asserted that when acceptance happens, suffering ends. > > Just do it! > > The way to the other side is understanding. > > T: Understanding happens..........or not. > > Danny:...in your dreams. > > E: hehe in a dreamworld of maya " who " cares about " consciousness & awareness " ....for real? .....except the one trapped in the dream Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dannyc_1eyeluv " <dannyc_1eyeluv wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > > > > itself the pain. > > > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > > and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > > itself is suffering. To accept suffering seems the only way > > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > Pete chosing one sentence of Nisargadatta: > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > itself the pain > > > > Era: that is your consciousness Pete, not the term Niz > called " Consciousness " > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > > E: True > > > > p: and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > itself is suffering. > > > > E: wrong apropos, wrong use of Niz's quote: taken out of context > > > > p: To accept suffering seems the only way > > out... until death do us part. > > > > Tom: The attempt to accept the suffering....... increases the > > suffering. > > > > P: Attempting is your word. I didn't recommend attempting > > to accept. I asserted that when acceptance happens, suffering ends. > > > > Just do it! > > > > The way to the other side is understanding. > > > > T: Understanding happens..........or not. > > > > Danny:...in your dreams. > > > > E: hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a dreamworld of maya > > > " who " cares about " consciousness & awareness " ....for real? > > ....except the one trapped in the dream > > > Marc > > > Marc, are you suffering? Marc, are you playing with concepts? Marc, are you trapped in the dream? You would not know, unless you are out of the dream. But, honestly Marc, are you? And Marc, why do you not Respond to Era, instead of guru-ishly brush it away, as an all-knowing expert? Regards, Jb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " new7892001 " <JB789 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pete chosing one sentence of Nisargadatta: > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > itself the pain > > > > > > Era: that is your consciousness Pete, not the term Niz > > called " Consciousness " > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > > > > E: True > > > > > > p: and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > itself is suffering. > > > > > > E: wrong apropos, wrong use of Niz's quote: taken out of context > > > > > > p: To accept suffering seems the only way > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > Tom: The attempt to accept the suffering....... increases the > > > suffering. > > > > > > P: Attempting is your word. I didn't recommend attempting > > > to accept. I asserted that when acceptance happens, suffering > ends. > > > > > > Just do it! > > > > > > The way to the other side is understanding. > > > > > > T: Understanding happens..........or not. > > > > > > Danny:...in your dreams. > > > > > > E: hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a dreamworld of maya > > > > > > " who " cares about " consciousness & awareness " ....for real? > > > > ....except the one trapped in the dream > > > > > > Marc > > > 'You' are not trapped in a dream. 'You' are the dream. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " new7892001 " <JB789 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pete chosing one sentence of Nisargadatta: > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > itself the pain > > > > > > Era: that is your consciousness Pete, not the term Niz > > called " Consciousness " > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > > > > E: True > > > > > > p: and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > itself is suffering. > > > > > > E: wrong apropos, wrong use of Niz's quote: taken out of context > > > > > > p: To accept suffering seems the only way > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > Tom: The attempt to accept the suffering....... increases the > > > suffering. > > > > > > P: Attempting is your word. I didn't recommend attempting > > > to accept. I asserted that when acceptance happens, suffering > ends. > > > > > > Just do it! > > > > > > The way to the other side is understanding. > > > > > > T: Understanding happens..........or not. > > > > > > Danny:...in your dreams. > > > > > > E: hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a dreamworld of maya > > > > > > " who " cares about " consciousness & awareness " ....for real? > > > > ....except the one trapped in the dream > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Marc, are you suffering? no....i'm fine thanks... how are you? > Marc, are you playing with concepts? yes....concepts are to play with....no? concepts are concepts....only reality is behind all this > Marc, are you trapped in the dream? no....why asking? > You would not know, unless you are out of the dream. > But, honestly Marc, are you? we are all " out of dream " ..... the dream divide us into many little ego-minded bubbles (fantasies).... up to you....to know yourSelf.... and so....also know mySelf > And Marc, why do you not Respond to Era, instead of > guru-ishly brush it away, as an all-knowing expert? " guru-ishly brush " .....another definition?.... i respond to Era.....as far i see....she talked about " Maya " ... thats exactly what all This....is about isn't it? Marc > Regards, > Jb > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " new7892001 " <JB789@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete chosing one sentence of Nisargadatta: > > > > > > > > Maharaj: Very good. In the later stages this consciousness is > > > > itself the pain > > > > > > > > Era: that is your consciousness Pete, not the term Niz > > > called " Consciousness " > > > > > > > > P: Buddha said that craving for existence was suffering, > > > > > > > > E: True > > > > > > > > p: and craving for nonexistence is also suffering. Maharaj, > > > > above, is going even further, and saying: consciousness > > > > itself is suffering. > > > > > > > > E: wrong apropos, wrong use of Niz's quote: taken out of context > > > > > > > > p: To accept suffering seems the only way > > > > out... until death do us part. > > > > > > > > Tom: The attempt to accept the suffering....... increases the > > > > suffering. > > > > > > > > P: Attempting is your word. I didn't recommend attempting > > > > to accept. I asserted that when acceptance happens, suffering > > ends. > > > > > > > > Just do it! > > > > > > > > The way to the other side is understanding. > > > > > > > > T: Understanding happens..........or not. > > > > > > > > Danny:...in your dreams. > > > > > > > > E: hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a dreamworld of maya > > > > > > > > > " who " cares about " consciousness & awareness " ....for real? > > > > > > ....except the one trapped in the dream > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > 'You' are not trapped in a dream. > > 'You' are the dream. > > > toombaru yes > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Era wrote, " -you two Sound the Same if you take a deedp breath toombaru and get out of your boring raut of knocking down everything ;O " I've noticed that some people pick apart the words of others in order to point out fallacies---and do that as a constant pattern. They are, as you say, in a rut, and keep digging it deeper and deeper by their almost automatic reaction. The truth is, all words are false, not the actual and multiplistic, and can be criticized by other words, which are also false. This isn't hard to do. Not that productive either, particularly when done so often it becomes an expected personality trait. I once worked with someone who took the opposite viewpoint of whatever anyone said. If I wanted him to see things my way, I would say the opposite of what I believed. Cheers, Richard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a beginner. Does compassion have some role in nonduality? Judy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > Era wrote, > " -you two Sound the Same if you take a deedp breath toombaru and get > out of your boring raut > of knocking down everything ;O " > > I've noticed that some people pick apart the words of others in order > to point out fallacies---and do that as a constant pattern. They are, > as you say, in a rut, and keep digging it deeper and deeper by their > almost automatic reaction. > > The truth is, all words are false, not the actual and multiplistic, > and can be criticized by other words, which are also false. This isn't > hard to do. Not that productive either, particularly when done so > often it becomes an expected personality trait. > > I once worked with someone who took the opposite viewpoint of whatever > anyone said. If I wanted him to see things my way, I would say the > opposite of what I believed. > > Cheers, > Richard > Perhaps you could support the logic of Mr. Tolle by explaining to us what he is realy saying then. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941 wrote: > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a beginner. Does compassion have some role in nonduality? > > Judy > you talk about non-duality as it were kind of " philosophie " or " concept " ...... non-duality isn't a " concept " ..... nobody can escape non-duality.... (even not the greatest imaginary ego-mind....) non-duality reveal real Self....and real Self reveal non-duality.... within every actions.....with/in/by consciousness or unconsciousness therefore.....for sure, compassion have a role..... it has in reality.....a higher role....as any intellect could ever imagine Marc Ps: even if you aren't a " beginner " of what/who-ever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a beginner. Does > compassion have some role in nonduality? > > > > Judy > > > > you talk about non-duality as it were kind of " philosophie " > or " concept " ...... > > non-duality isn't a " concept " ..... > nobody can escape non-duality.... > (even not the greatest imaginary ego-mind....) > > > non-duality reveal real Self....and real Self reveal non- duality.... > within every actions.....with/in/by consciousness or unconsciousness > > > therefore.....for sure, compassion have a role..... > > it has in reality.....a higher role....as any intellect could ever > imagine > > > > Marc > > > Ps: even if you aren't a " beginner " of what/who-ever > Compassion (as I explained to my son some months ago), is having metta for oneself (Self) and the defined 'other' (non-Self)... making real the passion revealed in the stages of suffering, as we all at least three times fall along the Way of the Cross, Via Positiva, Via Negativa. Crossing over vertical and horizontal dualities in the compassionate Oneness of Be-ing, or the Isness of Is. Awareness of Consciousness as Consciousness becomes Aware of itself. (More and more in the knowing of blissful harmony which to me is the essence of the " forbidden fruit " or " pearl of great price " in the seed-soul of compassion) or a reasonable facsimile thereof;- We all are 'stuck' in Being who we are in every given moment of this reality-dream of life on this blue-green orb of every imagination possible. How absolutely absolute and fiendishly devilish to have been searching for enlightenment all the while whilst standing in our own light. The ultimate game of God. wink. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a beginner. Does > compassion have some role in nonduality? > > > > Judy > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer pertains. How high is up? What is two hundred miles south of earth? Do you like it here better then in the summer? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer pertains. How high is up? What is two hundred miles south of earth? Do you like it here better then in the summer? toombaru ---------------------------- My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to understand, but I thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. Judy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941 wrote: > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > pertains. > > How high is up? > > What is two hundred miles south of earth? > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > toombaru > ---------------------------- > My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to understand, but I thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. > > Judy > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941 wrote: > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > pertains. > > How high is up? > > What is two hundred miles south of earth? > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > toombaru > ---------------------------- > My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to understand, but I thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. > > Judy > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941 wrote: > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > pertains. > Does that makes a Koan in Zen meditation obsolete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > > pertains. > > > > How high is up? > > > > What is two hundred miles south of earth? > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > toombaru > > ---------------------------- > > My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to understand, but I > thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. > > > > Judy > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own > conceptual > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no > answer > > > pertains. > > > > > > How high is up? > > > > > > What is two hundred miles south of earth? > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > toombaru > > > ---------------------------- > > > My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to understand, > but I > > thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
