Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > > pertains. > > > > Does that makes a Koan in Zen meditation obsolete? > The above question IS a koan. (and a very good one) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > > pertains. > > > > Does that makes a Koan in Zen meditation obsolete? > A koan is designed to break the conceptual web that is not in the so called self.......It is the self. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 To me........three dots mean " I love you " . What do they mean to you? toombaru -------------------------- Sounds good to me! That I understand. Judy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941 wrote: > > Have you read Nisargadatta? > > toombaru > ------------------------- > I have just started reading and everything is new. I've read only a little on one of the sites that was referenced here. But I am reading a little of a lot of different readings on nonduality as I come across a reference to one idea and then a reference to another idea. I do not yet have any orderly progression. > > Judy > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941 wrote: > > To me........three dots mean " I love you " . > > What do they mean to you? > > toombaru > -------------------------- > Sounds good to me! That I understand. > > Judy > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > > > pertains. > > > > > > > Does that makes a Koan in Zen meditation obsolete? > > > > > > > The above question IS a koan. > > (and a very good one) > > > > toombaru > A koan is a question, NOT a statement. And the ego kept growing... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own > > conceptual > > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no > > answer > > > > pertains. > > > > > > > > How high is up? > > > > > > > > What is two hundred miles south of earth? > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to understand, > > but I > > > thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own conceptual > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no answer > > > pertains. > > > > > > > Does that makes a Koan in Zen meditation obsolete? > > > > > > A koan is designed to break the conceptual web that is not in the so > called self.......It is the self. > > > > toombaru > What self. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 > Once you enter this river......all attempts to alter its course.....will fail. You are in the flow now.......there is no turning back. Even if you wanted to........there is nothing there........ Best to let IT have its way with you. Pretty soon.......you will realize that there also is nothing up ahead........ There is this.......vast unknowableness.....flowing into ItSelf.........and that........ is your very own.......Ultimate Reality...... toombaru ------------------------- I tell you, that is the absolute truth of what I am experiencing. I've read that old expression 'grabbing a tiger by the tail', well I have been grabbed by my head and whatever it is does not let me go. Thank you for so clearly stating my present experience. Judy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own > conceptual > > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no > answer > > > > pertains. > > > > > > > > > > Does that makes a Koan in Zen meditation obsolete? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above question IS a koan. > > > > (and a very good one) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > A koan is a question, NOT a statement. > > And the ego kept growing... > What ego? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > Have you read Nisargadatta? > > > > toombaru > > ------------------------- > > I have just started reading and everything is new. I've read only a > little on one of the sites that was referenced here. But I am reading > a little of a lot of different readings on nonduality as I come across > a reference to one idea and then a reference to another idea. I do > not yet have any orderly progression. > > > > Judy > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own > conceptual > > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own concepts.......no > answer > > > > pertains. > > > > > > > > > > Does that makes a Koan in Zen meditation obsolete? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above question IS a koan. > > > > (and a very good one) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > A koan is a question, NOT a statement. > > And the ego kept growing... > Oops... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > To me........three dots mean " I love you " . > > > > What do they mean to you? > > > > toombaru > > -------------------------- > > Sounds good to me! That I understand. > > > > Judy > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > To me........three dots mean " I love you " . > > > > What do they mean to you? Take a break... Don't think too much... I am not trying to teach you... There is nothing I can teach you... There is nothing that I need to know... .... feel the Silence ... Expereince what not thinking feels like... It is not an intellectual trip... I am not interested in giving you new concepts to think about... I am not interested in learning new concepts to think about... I use these words only as 'stepping stones' to jump into the Silence... Whenever you jump into that....... their job is done... Until then you can keep reading... Even when you jumped once... but, still want to keep playing... you can keep stepping on them and keep juming... and, that is what I have been doing... and, that is what I have been telling... Did you get it... Did you get what I was saying... If you " did not " , you " got " , 'exactly' what I was saying... Nothing... What else I can tell you... What were you thinking? .... > > > > toombaru > > -------------------------- > > Sounds good to me! That I understand. > > > > Judy > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own > > > conceptual > > > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own > concepts.......no > > > answer > > > > > pertains. > > > > > > > > > > How high is up? > > > > > > > > > > What is two hundred miles south of earth? > > > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to > understand, > > > but I > > > > thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. > > > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the content of consciousness searches within its own > > > > conceptual > > > > > > milieu for answers to questions about its own > > concepts.......no > > > > answer > > > > > > pertains. > > > > > > > > > > > > How high is up? > > > > > > > > > > > > What is two hundred miles south of earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > My friend, these concepts, are above my ability to > > understand, > > > > but I > > > > > thank you for the effort. I withdraw my question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2006 > To me........three dots mean " I love you " . > > What do they mean to you? > > toombaru Technically three dots mean something has been omitted; such as when quoting someone and leaving out a portion of the quote, three dots indicate that some of the words have been omitted. In symbology 'three' is a number of completeness, such as in a trinity found in both Hinduism and Christianity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a beginner. > Does > > compassion have some role in nonduality? > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > you talk about non-duality as it were kind of " philosophie " > > or " concept " ...... > > > > non-duality isn't a " concept " ..... > > nobody can escape non-duality.... > > (even not the greatest imaginary ego-mind....) > > > > > > non-duality reveal real Self....and real Self reveal non- > duality.... > > within every actions.....with/in/by consciousness or > unconsciousness > > > > > > therefore.....for sure, compassion have a role..... > > > > it has in reality.....a higher role....as any intellect could ever > > imagine > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: even if you aren't a " beginner " of what/who-ever > > > > > > " Compassion (as I explained to my son some months ago), is having > metta for oneself (Self) and the defined 'other' (non- Self)............................... " - strange definition of " Self " ....and " non-Self " .... this your described " oneself " ....is just an- " other " ....non-Self real Self is what let all this nice things....all this " this and that " ...... " me and you " ......appear but (real) Self....isn't realy involved in all this nice conceptual perceptions Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a beginner. > > Does > > > compassion have some role in nonduality? > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > you talk about non-duality as it were kind of " philosophie " > > > or " concept " ...... > > > > > > non-duality isn't a " concept " ..... > > > nobody can escape non-duality.... > > > (even not the greatest imaginary ego-mind....) > > > > > > > > > non-duality reveal real Self....and real Self reveal non- > > duality.... > > > within every actions.....with/in/by consciousness or > > unconsciousness > > > > > > > > > therefore.....for sure, compassion have a role..... > > > > > > it has in reality.....a higher role....as any intellect could > ever > > > imagine > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: even if you aren't a " beginner " of what/who-ever > > > > > > > > > > > " Compassion (as I explained to my son some months ago), is having > > metta for oneself (Self) and the defined 'other' (non- > Self)............................... " > > > - strange definition of " Self " ....and " non-Self " .... > > this your described " oneself " ....is just an- " other " ....non-Self > > real Self is what let all this nice things....all this " this and > that " ...... " me and you " ......appear > > but (real) Self....isn't realy involved in all this nice conceptual > perceptions > > Marc > > > > > > It isn't what, pray tell is real Self involved in/with/as? IT IS conceptual perceptions and advaita from a to z, n'est pas? It is the entirety of nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a beginner. > > > Does > > > > compassion have some role in nonduality? > > > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > you talk about non-duality as it were kind of " philosophie " > > > > or " concept " ...... > > > > > > > > non-duality isn't a " concept " ..... > > > > nobody can escape non-duality.... > > > > (even not the greatest imaginary ego-mind....) > > > > > > > > > > > > non-duality reveal real Self....and real Self reveal non- > > > duality.... > > > > within every actions.....with/in/by consciousness or > > > unconsciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore.....for sure, compassion have a role..... > > > > > > > > it has in reality.....a higher role....as any intellect could > > ever > > > > imagine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: even if you aren't a " beginner " of what/who-ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Compassion (as I explained to my son some months ago), is having > > > metta for oneself (Self) and the defined 'other' (non- > > Self)............................... " > > > > > > - strange definition of " Self " ....and " non-Self " .... > > > > this your described " oneself " ....is just an- " other " ....non-Self > > > > real Self is what let all this nice things....all this " this and > > that " ...... " me and you " ......appear > > > > but (real) Self....isn't realy involved in all this nice > conceptual > > perceptions > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't what, pray tell is real Self involved in/with/as? IT IS > conceptual perceptions and advaita from a to z, n'est pas? > > It is the entirety of nothing. i hope you are fine with all this " entirety of nothing " .....from a to z... Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a > beginner. > > > > Does > > > > > compassion have some role in nonduality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you talk about non-duality as it were kind of " philosophie " > > > > > or " concept " ...... > > > > > > > > > > non-duality isn't a " concept " ..... > > > > > nobody can escape non-duality.... > > > > > (even not the greatest imaginary ego-mind....) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > non-duality reveal real Self....and real Self reveal non- > > > > duality.... > > > > > within every actions.....with/in/by consciousness or > > > > unconsciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore.....for sure, compassion have a role..... > > > > > > > > > > it has in reality.....a higher role....as any intellect could > > > ever > > > > > imagine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: even if you aren't a " beginner " of what/who-ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Compassion (as I explained to my son some months ago), is > having > > > > metta for oneself (Self) and the defined 'other' (non- > > > Self)............................... " > > > > > > > > > - strange definition of " Self " ....and " non-Self " .... > > > > > > this your described " oneself " ....is just an- " other " ....non-Self > > > > > > real Self is what let all this nice things....all this " this and > > > that " ...... " me and you " ......appear > > > > > > but (real) Self....isn't realy involved in all this nice > > conceptual > > > perceptions > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't what, pray tell is real Self involved in/with/as? IT IS > > conceptual perceptions and advaita from a to z, n'est pas? > > > > It is the entirety of nothing. > > > i hope you are fine with all this " entirety of nothing " .....from a to > z... > > > > Marc > > > LOL not always not never not ever ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, forgive a possibly ignorant question from a > > beginner. > > > > > Does > > > > > > compassion have some role in nonduality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you talk about non-duality as it were kind > of " philosophie " > > > > > > or " concept " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > non-duality isn't a " concept " ..... > > > > > > nobody can escape non-duality.... > > > > > > (even not the greatest imaginary ego-mind....) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > non-duality reveal real Self....and real Self reveal non- > > > > > duality.... > > > > > > within every actions.....with/in/by consciousness or > > > > > unconsciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore.....for sure, compassion have a role..... > > > > > > > > > > > > it has in reality.....a higher role....as any intellect > could > > > > ever > > > > > > imagine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: even if you aren't a " beginner " of what/who-ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Compassion (as I explained to my son some months ago), is > > having > > > > > metta for oneself (Self) and the defined 'other' (non- > > > > Self)............................... " > > > > > > > > > > > > - strange definition of " Self " ....and " non-Self " .... > > > > > > > > this your described " oneself " ....is just an- " other " ....non- Self > > > > > > > > real Self is what let all this nice things....all this " this > and > > > > that " ...... " me and you " ......appear > > > > > > > > but (real) Self....isn't realy involved in all this nice > > > conceptual > > > > perceptions > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't what, pray tell is real Self involved in/with/as? IT > IS > > > conceptual perceptions and advaita from a to z, n'est pas? > > > > > > It is the entirety of nothing. > > > > > > i hope you are fine with all this " entirety of nothing " .....from a > to > > z... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > LOL not always not never not ever ;-) ... not always not never not ever....more and more often Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
