Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) that if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) that > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > about it. > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) that > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > about it. > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > toombaru > LOL the secret that no one shares, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) that > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > about it. > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > toombaru and certainly not in the mode of the great toombaru.......as we know, for he has said the deluded follow and listen to the deluded......illusions all....ho boy! ...........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) that > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > about it. > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > toombaru > AT least they could all teach, and the reason they could teach is because they had love. And compassion. Christ didn't teach the same ideas anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > that > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > quiet > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > LOL > > the secret that no one shares, eh? > From what I have read and understood, realised spiritual teachers should keep quiet until their realisation is mature. I think a period of 10 years has been suggested. Has anyone here waited that long? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > that > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > quiet > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > toombaru > > > AT least they could all teach, and the reason they could teach is > because they had love. And compassion. Christ didn't teach the same > ideas anyway. well now here I disagree with you jason....unlike the previous post where I stood right with you, that probably wont be posted......perhaps this won't either....again, if not I'll private email you. But actually they all had only ONE and the SAME idea......and the weird thing is.....it wasn't an idea, it was TRUTH.......and that my brother can get you banned or even killed in the places that you would expect to be the least likely places for that to happen........ but you'll find that those who think they know.....know nothing at all, except what they believe they know. That is somewhat worded wrong......if they knew 'Nothing " , they really would know something......so how to say? They have beliefs in their false ideas, and have no grasp or feeling tone for TRUTH whatsoever.......that's better but still not quite right......but I'm sure you and all my readers get the gist. ;-)) ..........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come > out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > > quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > LOL > > > > the secret that no one shares, eh? > > > From what I have read and understood, realised spiritual teachers > should keep quiet until their realisation is mature. I think a > period of 10 years has been suggested. Has anyone here waited that > long? Don't kid youself jason.........no one here is realized....not for ten years or ten seconds....but some love waxing on about how they are sooooooooo with All and Everything.......it's funny actually.....get some popcorn and have a chuckle or two at some of the great pontifications.......I'll write you later with this one. ............bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come > out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > > quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > LOL > > > > the secret that no one shares, eh? > > > From what I have read and understood, realised spiritual teachers > should keep quiet until their realisation is mature. I think a > period of 10 years has been suggested. Has anyone here waited that > long? Don't kid yourself jason.........no one here is realized....not for ten years or ten seconds....but some love waxing on about how they are sooooooooo with All and Everything.......it's funny actually.....get some popcorn and have a chuckle or two at some of the great pontifications.......I'll write you later with this one. ............bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come > out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > > quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > LOL > > > > the secret that no one shares, eh? > > > From what I have read and understood, realised spiritual teachers > should keep quiet until their realisation is mature. I think a > period of 10 years has been suggested. Has anyone here waited that > long? > You mistake descriptions for prescriptions. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > that > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > toombaru > > > and certainly not in the mode of the great toombaru.......as we know, > for he has said the deluded follow and listen to the > deluded......illusions all....ho boy! > > ...........bob > It is only the blind that attempt to lead the blind. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 I wonder how many silent realized people there are in the world who just sit in silence keeping to themselves. The Buddha, upon awakening mulled over the possibility of keeping it to himself because it would be difficult to explain to others. There are some who are realized and would not be good teachers, while there are some who are both and are called sadgurus. I write in the conventional language so if anyone wants to, they can assume all individuals spoken of are dream characters. In the word 'realisation' the s has a z sound. So why don't you foreigners spell it with a z as do we Americans who messed up what is a beautiful language? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > I wonder how many silent realized people there are in the world who > just sit in silence keeping to themselves. > > The Buddha, upon awakening mulled over the possibility of keeping it > to himself because it would be difficult to explain to others. > > There are some who are realized and would not be good teachers, while > there are some who are both and are called sadgurus. > > I write in the conventional language so if anyone wants to, they can > assume all individuals spoken of are dream characters. > > In the word 'realisation' the s has a z sound. So why don't you > foreigners spell it with a z as do we Americans who messed up what is > a beautiful language? > Sleep of you must........but I must tell you.......it has its drawbacks. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > <jasondedonno@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come > > out) > > > that > > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > > > quiet > > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > the secret that no one shares, eh? > > > > > From what I have read and understood, realised spiritual teachers > > should keep quiet until their realisation is mature. I think a > > period of 10 years has been suggested. Has anyone here waited that > > long? > > > > > > > You mistake descriptions for prescriptions. > > It even rhymes! > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > and certainly not in the mode of the great toombaru.......as we know, > > for he has said the deluded follow and listen to the > > deluded......illusions all....ho boy! > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > It is only the blind that attempt to lead the blind. > > > > toombaru I know.....I've been watching you swing that white cane of yours for months.....and if one can see it, one will not follow it for sure....but you keep pretty good time and look like a fair conductor with that baton.....the music however needs lots and lots of work. carry on toombaru, .......bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 > > > Don't kid youself jason.........no one here is realized....not for > ten years or ten seconds....but some love waxing on about how they > are sooooooooo with All and Everything.......it's funny > actually.....get some popcorn and have a chuckle or two at some of > the great pontifications.......I'll write you later with this one. > > ............bob > I look forward to hearing what you have to say. I'm not quite sure how to take some of you here. For example when you yourself say " no¨- one here is realized " I can start wondering where you are coming from with that statement! I'm quite well read on all this stuff, and I'm aware that " self-realised " people say the there is no enlightenment, and yet, some say that the idea of enlightenment is very important. Also, when one reads descriptions of " self-realised " people, it becomes apparent that some fundamental change, or realisation, as occurred. For one thing, consciousness appears to be able to operate on different levels. Then there are verbal descriptions where such as " the lamps have been repositioned " (who said that? Aquinas?) or some speak of a vast infinite eternal space. I also have had a few strange experiences on waking, that have indicated to me there is something other than this everyday consciousness. Can it be refered to as ultimate knowledge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 > > AT least they could all teach, and the reason they could teach is > > because they had love. And compassion. Christ didn't teach the same > > ideas anyway. > > > well now here I disagree with you jason....unlike the previous post > where I stood right with you, that probably wont be > posted......perhaps this won't either....again, if not I'll private > email you. But actually they all had only ONE and the SAME > idea......and the weird thing is.....it wasn't an idea, it was > TRUTH OK! They knew who /what they were. But I remembered a Zen story about someone who was enlightened but without love. His coldness led a woman to kill him. Do you hear that one? >.......and that my brother can get you banned or even killed in > the places that you would expect to be the least likely places for > that to happen........ I'm not sure what you're saying here...what do you mean " killed " ? What are you talking about? > but you'll find that those who think they > know.....know nothing at all, except what they believe they know. > That is somewhat worded wrong......if they knew 'Nothing " , they > really would know something......so how to say? They have beliefs in > their false ideas, and have no grasp or feeling tone for TRUTH > whatsoever.......that's better but still not quite right......but I'm > sure you and all my readers get the gist. > > ;-)) > > ..........bob > I understand that - but you must explain this kllling / banning thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come > out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > > quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > AT least they could all teach, and the reason they could teach is > > because they had love. And compassion. Christ didn't teach the same > > ideas anyway. > > > well now here I disagree with you jason....unlike the previous post > where I stood right with you, that probably wont be > posted......perhaps this won't either....again, if not I'll private > email you. But actually they all had only ONE and the SAME > idea......and the weird thing is.....it wasn't an idea, it was > TRUTH.......and that my brother can get you banned or even killed in > the places that you would expect to be the least likely places for > that to happen........ but you'll find that those who think they > know.....know nothing at all, except what they believe they know. > That is somewhat worded wrong......if they knew 'Nothing " , they > really would know something......so how to say? They have beliefs in > their false ideas, and have no grasp or feeling tone for TRUTH > whatsoever... They do not HAVE beliefs in their false ideas. They are nothing other then the false beliefs. End of story. Curtain closes. Light out. Tom.............Tom...............Where is that boy? .....that's better but still not quite right......but I'm > sure you and all my readers get the gist. > > ;-)) > > ..........bob > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > > > > > Don't kid youself jason.........no one here is realized....not for > > ten years or ten seconds....but some love waxing on about how they > > are sooooooooo with All and Everything.......it's funny > > actually.....get some popcorn and have a chuckle or two at some of > > the great pontifications.......I'll write you later with this one. > > > > ............bob > > > > I look forward to hearing what you have to say. I'm not quite sure > how to take some of you here. For example when you yourself say " no¨- > one here is realized " I can start wondering where you are coming > from with that statement! I'm quite well read on all this stuff, and > I'm aware that " self-realised " people say the there is no > enlightenment, and yet, some say that the idea of enlightenment is > very important. Also, when one reads descriptions of " self-realised " > people, it becomes apparent that some fundamental change, or > realisation, as occurred. For one thing, consciousness appears to be > able to operate on different levels. Then there are verbal > descriptions where such as " the lamps have been repositioned " (who > said that? Aquinas?) or some speak of a vast infinite eternal space. > I also have had a few strange experiences on waking, that have > indicated to me there is something other than this everyday > consciousness. Can it be refered to as ultimate knowledge? Yes it can. But all references refer back to the illusoy self. I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you out of this mess you are in. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) that > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > about it. Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the sky, I alone am the one awake? " Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the life? " Or like Niz did? Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as realizing your own nature? Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental construct that has no more truth to it than an imagining. Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure there is something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going to add something to it? -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come > out) > > that > > > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep > > quiet > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Ramana......Nisargadatta.....Christ and the Buddha? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > LOL > > > > the secret that no one shares, eh? > > > From what I have read and understood, realised spiritual teachers > should keep quiet until their realisation is mature. I think a > period of 10 years has been suggested. Has anyone here waited that > long? How long did you wait, before you started making pronouncements about this list? Did you follow your suggestion and wait ten years until your realization of what this list is about, was mature? -- Daan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > I wonder how many silent realized people there are in the world who > just sit in silence keeping to themselves. > > The Buddha, upon awakening mulled over the possibility of keeping it > to himself because it would be difficult to explain to others. > > There are some who are realized and would not be good teachers, while > there are some who are both and are called sadgurus. > > I write in the conventional language so if anyone wants to, they can > assume all individuals spoken of are dream characters. > > In the word 'realisation' the s has a z sound. So why don't you > foreigners spell it with a z as do we Americans who messed up what is > a beautiful language? There isn't a realization of something, there is only disinvesting in self-constructed illusion and deception. You can't get this from someone else. Not from someone else's words, example, or way of doing things. Because that image of someone else, is part of the illusion. No way around it. Even if the illusion says someting beautiful, like " I am the way, the truth, the life. " Disinvest in whatever promise you think that image holds for you. So it has been said: " If you meet the Buddha at MacDonald's, order him a burger and fries! " -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > I hope (yeah I know, there is no I etc, but words must come out) that > > if I ever I realise my own nature (yeah I know, there is no > > realisation)...I hope that I will have the goodness to keep quiet > > about it. > > Like Buddha did when he said, " above the earth and under the sky, I > alone am the one awake? " > > Or like Jesus when he said, " I am the way, the truth, the life? " > > Or like Niz did? > > Oh, by the way, are you sure there is such a thing as realizing your > own nature? > > Maybe you are hoping about something that is just a mental construct > that has no more truth to it than an imagining. > > Perhaps you always already *are* your nature. Are you sure there is > something you are supposed to realize about it, that is going to add > something to it? > > -- Dan By Golly Dan.......I'm starting to REALLY like you guy! ...........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Don't kid youself jason.........no one here is realized....not for > > > ten years or ten seconds....but some love waxing on about how they > > > are sooooooooo with All and Everything.......it's funny > > > actually.....get some popcorn and have a chuckle or two at some of > > > the great pontifications.......I'll write you later with this one. > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > I look forward to hearing what you have to say. I'm not quite sure > > how to take some of you here. For example when you yourself say " no¨- > > one here is realized " I can start wondering where you are coming > > from with that statement! I'm quite well read on all this stuff, and > > I'm aware that " self-realised " people say the there is no > > enlightenment, and yet, some say that the idea of enlightenment is > > very important. Also, when one reads descriptions of " self- realised " > > people, it becomes apparent that some fundamental change, or > > realisation, as occurred. For one thing, consciousness appears to be > > able to operate on different levels. Then there are verbal > > descriptions where such as " the lamps have been repositioned " (who > > said that? Aquinas?) or some speak of a vast infinite eternal space. > > I also have had a few strange experiences on waking, that have > > indicated to me there is something other than this everyday > > consciousness. Can it be refered to as ultimate knowledge? > > > > Yes it can. > > But all references refer back to the illusoy self. > > > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you out of > this mess you are in. > > > toombaru Indeed...no thought can help anyone out of the 'illusoy' self.....anymore than they can be helped out of the illu soy sauce self by taking thought...it's just one of those things as toom points out here so well. give NO thought to the morrow or the illusoy self.....and BOOM your done and OK. ..........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2006 > I'm afraid that thought is not going to be able to help you out of > this mess you are in. > > > toombaru > Thanks. I wasn't really in mess before I came here... Of course there is suffering, but you know, Niz's suggestion to meditate on the sense I am has helped me a lot. There was no need for me to come here. I had a few questions about Prana etc, and they were kind of answered (thanks). But by and large, since I came here, I've got more and more entangled in trying to disentangle myself from what everyone is saying. A lot of contradictory stuff and there's always this " last word " thing, or " last concept " that's supposed to be " truer " . If anything, all this confusion and nonsense has messed up my mind, but only the sense the junk mail clutters my letterbox. I don't read junk mail. Sorry ... no intention here to offend- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
